bash & pop / brian baker question - please help
Nausea76
meatmen , government issue , minor threat , bad religion ) was involved with
the bash & pop lp " friday night is killing me " , but he is not listed as one
of the studio musicians . did he take part in the recording at all ? did he
play any shows w/ stinson and crew ?
thanks in advance ----
Gresch7475
>meatmen , government issue , minor threat , bad religion ) was involved with
>the bash & pop lp " friday night is killing me "
I thought Brian was one of the guys who replaced the original studio men when
Tommy decided to change the line up when they went out on the road. I don't
know if Brian was ever actually "in the band" and by early '94 he replaced
Brett Gurewitz in Bad Religion...anyone else know the exact details?
Bobstinson
religion)
Hey dude, ya forgot to mention Junkyard. One of Baker's more embarassing
moments.
Nausea76
hahaha yeah i guess i did didn't i .
what about the classic DOGGY STYLE ?
I dont know which one is worse. painted leather jackets and a geffen contract (
with optional can of hair spray ) or overweight men in green paint playing rap
songs .
haha
take care man
TMinarchic
then he left again before the final break-up. Did you know that he contacted
Glen danzig after the Misfits broke up because he wanted to be in Samhain? He
and Lyle from Minor Threat both played the first Samhain show but quit(or were
fired). they said their D.C. friends made fun of them for dressing up and
playing in a "metal band" Brian sucks. ian was the man behind minor Threat.
Brian did do Dag Nasty though and I loved Dag Nasty.
Kevin
TMinarchic wrote:
> ian was the man behind minor Threat.
> Brian did do Dag Nasty though and I loved Dag Nasty.
Speaking about Dag Nasty, why was "Field Day" so drastically different then their
1st 2 albums?
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clayton
>
> TMinarchic wrote:
>
> > ian was the man behind minor Threat.
> > Brian did do Dag Nasty though and I loved Dag Nasty.
>
> 1st 2 albums?
Dave Smalley is why. Both the second and third Dag Nasty albums were
attempts by the band to sound different from the Smalley days. They just
did it better on the third. I think a lot of the material for Wig out
was written and arranged when Dave was still in the band. Plus by the
time they made Field Day, Baker was the only original member. He and
Dave were at odds with each other in those days. Not friends at all. The
ALL song "Wrong Again" was about Baker, and there were all sorts of jabs
at Dave on Field Day. It is important to remember that Baker wrote
almost all the songs on all three albums. (if not all of them) It can't
be said he's not a talented guy.
And hey...Doggy Style (both of them) were great!
Bobstinson
>sorts of jabs at Dave on Field Day.
DagNasty was a strangely controversial band in their day, especially on the DC
scene. I remember one night a fight broke out in the crowd at 9:30 during a
Government Issue show. The whole conflict had something to do with DagNasty &
some pricks in the crowd were starting shit with GI. The bouncers nearly
killed one guy- they literally carried him out of the place. Anybody there for
that?
Baker was pretty talented, but something with him ain't right.
clayton
I was refering more to the overall sound change than to the difference
in the vocals. I noticed a big difference each record in the way songs
were structured and in-I don't quite know how to describe it- more
attention to melody I suppose...
I certainly didn't mean to imply I disliked the records, I pretty much
like all three equally.
I was always getting the Smalley vs. Dag stories second or third person
so my version-it would seem -is a bit of an exageration. I always
thought it was funny.
For what it's worth...to this day one of the best shows I've seen is a
Dag Nasty show in Tacoma WA on the Wig Out tour. (Was it called the "Wig
Out tour"?) Great time was had by all.
Do you still play music?
pcor...@my-dejanews.com
I imagine that I was there, but I don't remember anything like that. There
was some petty rivalry between Dag and GI - and I'm guilty of feeding the
flames - but I don't recall ever coming to blows over it. We would have
gotten our asses kicked.
Cheers,
Peter Cortner
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pcor...@my-dejanews.com
plane...@earthlink.net wrote:
> Kevin wrote:
> >
> > TMinarchic wrote:
> >
> > > ian was the man behind minor Threat.
> > > Brian did do Dag Nasty though and I loved Dag Nasty.
> >
> > Speaking about Dag Nasty, why was "Field Day" so drastically different then
their
> > 1st 2 albums?
>
> Dave Smalley is why. Both the second and third Dag Nasty albums were
> attempts by the band to sound different from the Smalley days. They just
> did it better on the third. I think a lot of the material for Wig out
> was written and arranged when Dave was still in the band. Plus by the
> time they made Field Day, Baker was the only original member. He and
> ALL song "Wrong Again" was about Baker, and there were all sorts of jabs
> almost all the songs on all three albums. (if not all of them) It can't
> be said he's not a talented guy.
>
> And hey...Doggy Style (both of them) were great!
>
>
Much of what you say is true, but I think I can help clarify a few points.
First, the DN sound after Smalley's departure had more to do with my
inability to sing like Smalley than with any desire to leave behind the
"Smalley Sound"; in fact, as you noted, some of the "Wig Out" material was
written while he was still a member, and already marked a departure from the
"Can I Say" material. I joined the band just before "Can I Say" was released,
and the plan was to tour off of that album and then call it a day. The band
split up at the end of the tour, and Baker joined up with Doug Carrion to
form Doggy Rock. When that project fell short of their expectations, they
decided to do the Dag thing again, with material more suited to my rather
unaggressive voice.
As for "Field Day," there are indeed some obvious digs at Smalley on "I've
Heard/Under Your Influence," and a more subtle dig in "La Penita" (the line
"On the edge, I've been there" was the chorus Smalley wrote for what became
"Fall"), but those songs were really poking fun at Dag itself, and the
ex-fans who were disappointed to discover that we were never the
straight-edge evangelists they imagined. Those poor kids -- I felt like I
was telling them there was no Santa Claus ("Yes there is," they replied.
"He's in Down By Law").
As for the music itself, it had nothing to do with any spat between Baker and
Smalley. In fact, the material that departed most radically from the old
sound ("Ambulance Song," "La Penita," "Nevergreen Lane") wasn't Baker
material at all. But it's true that he wrote the lions share of Dag music:
all the words and lyrics to "Can I Say," and all the "Wig Out" music except
for "When I Move." He also wrote all the original material on the "Four on
the Floor" reunion album, which showed just how great Smalley was with the
poppier Dag sound.
Mark C Reiter
good lawd.
pcor...@my-dejanews.com
Thanks for the kind words. I remember that show really well; it was just
before we put out the "All Ages Show" single, and one of the few times (thank
God) that we played "You're Mine." What a cool crowd. That night was one of
my favorites.
As for the difference in song structure: there was a heavy Descendents
influence on the band by then -- not least because Doug had joined the band --
and both Brian and Doug were listening to a lot of the Smiths and REM.
I haven't done much with music since Dag Nasty. I did a record with Colin
Sears, Dag's first drummer, as Los Vampiros; it was called "Less Than a
Feeling" and it came out in 1991. Since then I've recorded some stuff on 4-
track, but it's all instrumental (with the exception of a few Joy Division
covers).
Cheers,
Peter
Mars
"Texas Chile, Texas grass,
Texas Moonshine, I love that texas ass" fame?
---"Before we talk about how great Brian Baker is, let's remember
Junkyard."----
Bobstinson
>"Texas Chile, Texas grass,
>Texas Moonshine, I love that texas ass" fame?
Hahahaha..... yeah, I think so. They made a record in the late 80's. I went
to see them play in a bar in Wilkes-Barre, PA during the Summer of '89 just
because Baker was in the band. They were loud & all, but they sucked. It was
one of those shows that you just couldn't stop drinking at because it was that
bad. I was embarassed for the guy, but I was fairly certain nobody else in the
joint had any clue about his glorious past.