Rammstein in jail...
Jeremy Wood
Anansie was great, Soulfly was OK, and Rammstein tore the place apart.
During Soulfly's set my buddy and I saw Skin from SA walking around through
the audience. We had a quick little chat with her, and she was very cool.
We then had a longer chat with their tour manager - who hooked us up with
some cool stuff (including spots on the guest list at their next show).
Then Rammstein took the stage, and I seriously wanted the show to never end.
But unfortunately it did. And unfortunately Till and Flake were thrown into
a paddywagon and hauled off to jail after the show. I guess the police
weren't amused by the dildo/sodomy part of the show. Then we talked for
awhile with Rammstein's personal chef that they bring with them from Berlin,
and he was very cool. I just hope that Till and Flake got out of the
slammer in time to make it to tonight's show in Montreal.
Jeremy Wood
Till and Flake out of the building in handcuffs. Till and Flake just kept
their heads down and followed the policemen obediently into the paddywagon.
A couple of those police officers were real assholes. If you ask me, I
really don't see a need for a paddywagon. It's not like they arrested the
entire band. They could have used a squad car. But obviously they were
trying to "make a statement," or something to that effect. From talking to
their chef I gathered that they really just see this as free publicity. Pay
a few hundred dollars (paid by the record company) and then see their faces
plastered on MTV. Works out pretty well, actually. But if you ask me, it's
completely ridiculous that they were arrested in the first place. They
hadn't even been warned before the show not to do that scene (not that that
would have stopped them). That's America for you...
JuiceFrau
>Till and Flake were thrown into
>a paddywagon and hauled off to jail after the show. I guess the police
>weren't amused by the dildo/sodomy part of the show
Apparently, the police couldn't handle Rammstein's subtle humor. Sure, a
skinny guy takin' it up the ass on stage might be in poor taste, but when was
it illegal for Till to "show him what a man can do"? This is the same shit
they had to take on Halloween.
Fuming,
Mel
RJLockney
Jeez... That's who/what the paddywagon was going for the other night. I had
planne don going to the show, but had to bail at the last minute b/c of work -
and worse - working withint view of the Palladium (can see it from my
window)....
Grrr...
Anyway, decent setlist? (6/5) ??
rich lockney
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Adam
in Minnesota and nothing happened to them. And I feel that minnesota is quite a
onservative state and no one gave a shit! No offence to anyone in the shouth but
your law inforcement officials are prejeduce and unconstitiutional.
Jeremy Wood wrote:
> Saw Rammstein last night in Mass., and it was completely amazing. Skunk
> Anansie was great, Soulfly was OK, and Rammstein tore the place apart.
> During Soulfly's set my buddy and I saw Skin from SA walking around through
> the audience. We had a quick little chat with her, and she was very cool.
> We then had a longer chat with their tour manager - who hooked us up with
> some cool stuff (including spots on the guest list at their next show).
> Then Rammstein took the stage, and I seriously wanted the show to never end.
> But unfortunately it did. And unfortunately Till and Flake were thrown into
> a paddywagon and hauled off to jail after the show. I guess the police
miss...@my-deja.com
Adam <fir...@cloudnet.com> wrote:
> I want to now what the fuck is up with this bullshit!! I went to
Family Values
> in Minnesota and nothing happened to them. And I feel that minnesota
is quite a
> onservative state and no one gave a shit! No offence to anyone in the
shouth but
> your law inforcement officials are prejeduce and unconstitiutional.
what bugs me about this entire thing is, only one person has reported
it, it didn't make any newspaper or news reports, which is quite
bizarre since one would think that rammstein being arrested for
any "evil" acts would make the news as the media likes to make them out
to be evil. There wasn't any mention of it on the news show that was
speaking about rammstein when i saw last night either.
and no one said, "they didn't show up at the montreal concert" and it
seems that the toronto concert is on.
so. i'm not believing until i get word from reliable sources.
miss tina lady.
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Adam <fir...@cloudnet.com> wrote in message
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: I want to now what the fuck is up with this bullshit!! I went to Family
Values
: in Minnesota and nothing happened to them. And I feel that minnesota is
quite a
: onservative state and no one gave a shit! No offence to anyone in the
shouth but
: your law inforcement officials are prejeduce and unconstitiutional.
I didn't realize Mass was in the south...?
PeTe
:
:
Jeremy Wood
haven't seen the arrest reported on the news or MTV or some other media
outlet. It doesn't even appear anywhere on Worcester's online newspaper
site. I was hoping it would be there so I could provide a link. Oh well...
I can only report what I saw. The incident occurred at about 12:30 AM on
Sunday - about 25 minutes after the show had ended. Many fans were still
around - I'm surprised that nobody else has posted about it on this
newsgroup. My buddy and I hung around talking to the crew until about 2:00.
According to them, Till and Flake could be bailed out at 4AM. Then they had
to return for court this morning (Monday). So basically they had to go to
Montreal for Sunday night's show and then return to Worcester for court
Monday morning, and then go directly to Toronto for Monday night's show. So
it was definitely a hassle for them - but at least it didn't cause them to
miss any shows.
To tell you the truth, I really don't care if you believe me or not. This
is a Rammstein newsgroup, so I felt it was appropriate to post what I had
seen after Saturday's show since it concerns the band. I'm sure they are
somewhat disappointed that it hasn't leaked out, since they seemed to view
it as a good shot of publicity.
Jeremy
Jeremy Wood
Jeremy Wood
I agree with the point of your message. There was no reason for them to be
arrested. I hope this bullshit doesn't follow them across the country.
Wouldn't want them to decide to skip the USA on future tours.
Are you going to the show this saturday in St. Paul? Do you know if there's
still tickets available? I'm thinking of flying up from Atlanta to check it
out. This past weekend I flew to Boston to see them, and it was incredible.
I want to see them again as soon as possible! It's just too bad that Skunk
Anansie won't be there.
-Jeremy
Adam wrote in message <375C1245...@cloudnet.com>...
khat
wrote:
> Saw Rammstein last night in Mass., and it was completely amazing. Skunk
> Anansie was great, Soulfly was OK, and Rammstein tore the place apart.
> During Soulfly's set my buddy and I saw Skin from SA walking around through
> the audience. We had a quick little chat with her, and she was very cool.
> We then had a longer chat with their tour manager - who hooked us up with
> some cool stuff (including spots on the guest list at their next show).
> Then Rammstein took the stage, and I seriously wanted the show to never end.
> But unfortunately it did. And unfortunately Till and Flake were thrown into
> a paddywagon and hauled off to jail after the show. I guess the police
> weren't amused by the dildo/sodomy part of the show. Then we talked for
> awhile with Rammstein's personal chef that they bring with them from Berlin,
> and he was very cool. I just hope that Till and Flake got out of the
> slammer in time to make it to tonight's show in Montreal.
>
>
Well it is actually more that they just pushed it a little too far in
Mass...
Apparently the police were planning to arrest the duo in one of the
shows in the family values, except they feared a riot.
Then they got a warrent made uo for their arrest in Utah, fortunatly
Till altered the session, and instead pulled out an apple, not a rubber
dick. So basically they were unlucky this time, I don't think it will
scare them away, rather make them more careful.
But basically it is unfortunate that police cannot see the humor in
their act...
ANOTHER NOTE...
I recommend you read Manson's statement on the rammstein site, in the
news section it's interesting.... ALSO goto
http://www.angelfire.com/ia/ttvnews/index.html
read the article (June 7)
mail ttv_...@hotmail.com and give the FAG a piece of your mind, DON'T
SPARE THE F.UCKING LOSER PHRASE TOO!!!
GOTO, READ IT THEN GET LOTS OF PEOPLE TO TELL HIM HE SCREWS CHICKENS,
THEN MAYBE HE WILL SEE, WHAT A TOTAL LOSER THIS PERSON IS
Thanx, KHAT
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After having followed this thread I have to speak up. Yes, Till and
Flake were arrested...anyone with a phone can call up the jail they were
booked in and get the information...it is public record...anyone from
Mass. give it a try. No, it won't stop them from either continuing their
tour or modify the act. In the late seventies Ozzy Ozbourne was
"arrested" for lewd behaviour on stage. The charge did more for his tour
than he could ever dream up and it was a resounding success.
I have to play devils advocate on behalf of the police in this issue.
This is my chosen career feild, I have been doing it for a long time.
Trying to balance that with the fact that I am a huge Rammstein fan puts
me in a unique perspective.
There are what are called "blue laws"...laws that where put into effect
back in the late 1800's, early 1900's that tried to legislate sexual
activity and social behavior even in the privacy of your own home. The
Suffergette movement (later to become womens lib), the conservative led
state legislatures, the growing population of "professional" workers (the
cowboy culture was dying out) figured if it was good enough for them,
then it was good enough for their neighbor. Lewd behavior took on a
whole new definition. There is even a law in the south, I don't remember
the state so please forgive me, that says it is illegal for any couple
(married even) to perform oral sex, even in the privacy of their own
bedroom. Starting there and working our way forward in time, we are
still the same sexually repressed culture we legislated in back then.
The police were under legal obligation, and maybe pressure from the city
council, to uphold the law. Sometimes, and I speak soley for myself,
those laws conflict with my personal views, but I am honor bound to serve
the people that I work for to abide by them. I find several
contridictions in the law, but it is up to the people who live under them
to change them. It took a ticket to get into the concert, meaning it was
a private function, but held in a public venue. Why they arrest Till and
Flake, and not the people who own porn theaters (where you can watch full
sexual activity) is beyond me. All I ask is that you don't fault the
police too much. 95% of the time they uphold just and fair laws, but only
seem to get the worst when an issue like this surfaces.
My 2 cents...or 5 pfennig <grin>
Grey
ps...Khat is right...the owner of this web site does have some issues to
work out with a psycologist---
-->http://www.angelfire.com/ia/ttvnews/index.html
Adam
it sorry. Yeah I think there are still tickets left. And I highly doubt they
will get arrested in MN. Manson plays here and he does as much or more than
Rammstein and doesnt get arrested.
Stephanie Deluxe
>Then we talked for awhile with Rammstein's personal chef that they >bring with them from Berlin
...
>From talking to their chef I gathered that they really just see this as >free publicity.
...
>After the show I spoke for awhile with Rammstein's personal chef.
So... you spoke with the "chef", huh?
I smell a little too much excitement.
Gruss,
Stephanie "Nee, Ich bin nicht die kleine Schwester aus Samy" deluxe
email: en...@smaragd.mch.sni.DE
verein: NWBC
handy: hah!
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Jeremy Wood
provided us with a perspective of the band that can not be found from most
other sources. And he was a very interesting guy himself. Would have liked
to talk to the band members too, but unfortunately they were dealing with
the authorities.
Stephanie Deluxe wrote in message <375D916A...@smaragd.mch.sni.de>...
JuiceFrau
Jeremy Wood
>
We talked about many things. Everything from what the guys in the band eat
to what they think of the "skinheads" that tend to frequent their shows. We
talked about German and American stereotypes, and which ones may or may not
be true. We talked about the parties that happen backstage after shows, and
we talked about their workout routines. Henry says that his job is not only
to cook for the guys, but also to make sure that they stay healthy. We
talked about the arrest, and what it really meant. We talked about previous
arrests they have been involved in. We talked about their wives and kids.
We talked about life on the road in general. We talked about Skunk Anansie
and the negative response they received in NYC, and speculated why they
received such a response. We talked about drugs and alcohol, and what the
band does/doesn't use. We talked about why they are skipping the entire
southeast on this tour. We talked about their new
material, and the upcoming album. Henry took some footage of us with his
video camera. God - we probably talked for an hour. I can't get into the
details... it would take too long. Basically my buddy and I were in no
hurry to get out of there, so we just hung around smoking cigarettes and
talking. That's all. It was interesting to get an "insider's" opinion.
RJLockney
something similiar early today before work...
Don't blame the cops - if anything, commened them for doing their job. Blame
the laws...
I would rather have hard working law enforcement even with some unfair/outdated
laws, than lax or no law enforcement...
Gray
Thanx RJ...
It is tough to be caught in the middle of a situation like this. I am
pro law enforcement, even learned a few tips from a German Police officer
while I was there, but I also the understand the fans point of view
(hell...I am one). I am soo glad that no one began riot over the issue,
needless injury and possible death would have ruined the tour and the
band...I applaud those fans who witnessed the arrest for being in
control. It just shows that people can attend a great concert for the
entertainment value and not a violent one.
Grey
rjlo...@aol.comQ says...
RJLockney
know a few police officers around here (I live in Worcester) who told me what
happened.
Mug shots, anyone?
(I'm kidding...)
Steven
RJLockney <rjlo...@aol.comQ> wrote in message
news:19990609050209...@ng-fv1.aol.com...
> I actually missed the show, as I was called into work at the last minute,
but I
> know a few police officers around here (I live in Worcester) who told me
what
> happened.
>
> Mug shots, anyone?
> (I'm kidding...)
Actualy, why not? Those mug shots could be an excellent cover for their next
album. Or the new live CD perhaps :-) Are they available to the public?
Steven
RJLockney
>album. Or the new live CD perhaps :-) Are they available to the public?
>
I believe that they are available to the public - but don't quote me on that.
How do you think the news shows get them? I'm sure that tabloid tv couldn't
sway much with a "press pass", so I'm sure that you can get them at the
station.
Part of me wants to ask some of the police around here, but an older, wiser
part of me realizes that a) everyone and his brother would pester me for
them... and b) If I were arrested, for whatever reason, I wouldn't appreciate
people harping over it, and tossing my mug shot around (even if they are
entitled access to it).
Still, I can ask...
Gray
For the most part "mug shots" are not readily available to the general
public. In my district you have to have a reason; eg, press, police in
active investigation, etc. Unless Mass. has different Jail policy you
won't just be able to walk up to the bail window and request a copy. The
only info I know of right off the bat you can get is what they were
charged with (that is standard press release info)...copies of the arrest
report, photos, pre sentence reports are reserved for authorized
personnel only. Now if the bands legal team wants that info they can get
it...maybe a request through Rammstein's record label Motor Music might
be an option??
Food for thought...
Grey
In article <19990609194140...@ng-fb1.aol.com>,
rjlo...@aol.comQ says...
Gray
RJLockney
however. I simply wasn't sure if they were or were not public record.
Thanks,
Rich
Steven
Gray <gr...@home.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.11c8ecd5cece97869896ab@news...
> Now if the bands legal team wants that info they can get
> it...maybe a request through Rammstein's record label Motor Music might
> be an option??
>
> Food for thought...
Thanks for the information. I sent a notice about it to the webmaster of
www.rammstein.com so perhaps they will turn up in a few days/weeks.
Steven