biggest question about america?
Riley Esco
wonder.
what is the biggest question about the states that the foreigners here
on the board have but haven't asked?
I think this could be kind of interesting. go ahead and shoot.
(and no "why haven't you been kicked out yet" doesn't count)
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years:
"In the UK, we have national TV & Radio, in that you can get pretty much any
station anywhere. I gather that in the States it isn't like that (I keep
hearing the term 'syndication' everywhere)...once and for all....how does it
all work?"
Oh, and one more...do you *really* salute the flag at school?
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>"In the UK, we have national TV & Radio, in that you can get pretty much any
>station anywhere. I gather that in the States it isn't like that (I keep
>hearing the term 'syndication' everywhere)...once and for all....how does it
>all work?"
Different networks get picked up in different places. The smaller networks,
like the WB and UPN, aren't carried in many small towns and rural areas.
"syndication" is when a show has run 100 episodes, I think, and can then be
picked up by local networks and the reruns can be aired... I'm not exactly sure
myself, really. As a New Yorker I've never had to think much about it
>Oh, and one more...do you *really* salute the flag at school?
in elementary school you do. it's the pledge of allegiance, it's not really a
salute
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Joaquin67
"Daniel Walker" <daniel...@ukgateway.net> wrote:
> OK...I may seem really vacuous for asking this, but it's nagged me for
> years:
>
> "In the UK, we have national TV & Radio, in that you can get pretty much
> any
> station anywhere. I gather that in the States it isn't like that (I keep
> hearing the term 'syndication' everywhere)...once and for all....how does
> it
> all work?"
we have hundereds of local tv channels that are all owned by the same
corporations. its like national tv and radio only there are lots of
different programing schedules. lots of schedules, but still the same
crap.
in a related note, i was watching one of the various
call-up-the-station-and-bitch shows. cnn or msnbc or fox news channel
or something. anyway, some lady was talking about how 'we shouldn't
count the votes after bush is the president because it will just allow
the democrats to cause trouble. we had to suffer through clinton for
eight years and we didn't complain...' sometimes i wonder about people.
> Oh, and one more...do you *really* salute the flag at school?
elementary school mostly. though my high school dragged me down to the
dean's office because i didn't stand up for the pledge or national
anthem or something. they tried to tell me that the supreme court said
i had to. they didn't like it when i knew what case they were talking
about. mostly because that meant i knew they were lying....
matt
Grachman Olajuwon
>From: Joaquin67
>>
>> "In the UK, we have national TV & Radio, in that you can get pretty much
>> any
>> station anywhere. I gather that in the States it isn't like that (I keep
>> hearing the term 'syndication' everywhere)...once and for all....how does
>> it
>> all work?"
>
>we have hundereds of local tv channels that are all owned by the same
>corporations. its like national tv and radio only there are lots of
>different programing schedules. lots of schedules, but still the same
>crap.
>
during prime time every one of the major networks is showing the same stuff. So
people in NY and Texas will be watching Friends at the same time, for example.
Syndication includes when they show re-runs or other shows (Oprah) at non-
prime time hours. Depends where you live, but you'll usually get the same
crap- comedy shows.
Grachman, The
Yanni the Great
> about. mostly because that meant i knew they were lying....
wow what did they say after that, did they yell more or just let you go? you
should have pointed and laughed at them :-)
Tom
Tybalt
wicked tongue
waffled:
>alt's comment about anj not going to high school in california made me
>wonder.
>
>what is the biggest question about the states that the foreigners here
>on the board have but haven't asked?
ok. here goes :
why do you merkin people have to shout when you talk? i dread to think what you
sound like on mobile phones in public >:)
*hides behind the big aussie*
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<yann...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
i believe the entire conversation went something like this;
"matt you have to stand up for the pledge."
"no, actually i don't"
"yes, you do. in fact the supreme court has held that you don't have to
say the pledge but you have to stand for it."
"do you mean the case where the court ruled that the jehovah's witnesses
don't have to stand for the pledge? look it up and show me where it
says i have to stand."
"you are wrong and you're getting a detention"
"go look it up."
then i walked out of the room. some days later i got a pass to the dean
where i was officially given a detention for insubordination. its the
best crime of all. 'you didn't break any rules, but i don't like what
you did and am therefore punishing you'. i didn't serve it and
eventually it just got forgotten/ignored. lesson for future educators -
don't fuck with a kid that got a 5 on his us gov't ap test. you only
come out looking like an idiot.
matt
Joaquin67
don...@rhubarb.com wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:11:58 GMT, Riley Esco <guerill...@hotmail.com>
> waffled:
>
> >alt's comment about anj not going to high school in california made me
> >wonder.
> >
> >what is the biggest question about the states that the foreigners here
> >on the board have but haven't asked?
>
> ok. here goes :
>
> why do you merkin people have to shout when you talk? i dread to think
> what you
> sound like on mobile phones in public >:)
>
> *hides behind the big aussie*
>
> anjinho
it comes from living in a vast empty wilderness. and near airports.
MATT
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> alt's comment about anj not going to high school in california made me
> wonder.
>
> what is the biggest question about the states that the foreigners here
> on the board have but haven't asked?
>
> I think this could be kind of interesting. go ahead and shoot.
>
> (and no "why haven't you been kicked out yet" doesn't count)
>
>
Ok i live in Canada so i'm almost american . . . almost. but anyways my
question is for any american people on the board how many of you know who
the prime minister of canada is and even tougher who was our previous prime
minister?
I'm asking because it is very often said that americans know absolutely
nothing about Canada (in general obviously) and i have no first hand
experience really. Except for the television show "This Hour has 22 Minutes"
in which they said something to George Bush Jr. about our prime minister and
they refered to him as Prime Minister Poutine and Bush didn't know that our
prime minister isn't named poutine and neither did any of his advisors
present. pretty funny stuff
Oh and no looking it up ! =P
Joaquin67
"necrosis" <not...@shit.com> wrote:
couldn't name him/her. you people just had an election like a month
ago, give us time. and its hard to distinguish you from england seeing
as your parliment building has a seat for the king/queen. ottawa does
have a nice library though.
matt
necrosis
> ago, give us time. and its hard to distinguish you from england seeing
> as your parliment building has a seat for the king/queen. ottawa does
> have a nice library though.
> matt
heh how could you get us mixed up with england? we're right above you they
are well very far away. We do have a Governor General who is like a
representative of the Queen but its purely cosmetic they don't actually
excercise any of thir power.
And its true that we just had an election but we still have the same prime
minister, i'll give everyone one hint. Its not Prime Minister Poutine
Nick
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Nick
No, prob. no one knew that without looking it up. Maybe that's a good thing,
because most famous prime ministers, etc are involved with some sort of bad
thing. But you're still Canadian, so shut up :) Actually, I have a lot of
cousins from Canada. All I know is that they can get beer cheaper in NYC
because they always get a few gallons before heading back to Ontario :)
Nick
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Nick
to say I was an anarchist that ate babies :) They usually left me alone :)
Nick
necrosis
like half the alcohol so even if its cheaper per bottle i'm sure that the
actual amount of alcohol for your dollar is higher here
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>come out looking like an idiot.
>matt
who grades those things anyway?
i wanted to contest/appeal/rebut my 4 but they wouldnt let me
i still say my test was given to the off duty substitute precalc teacher who
filled in for his sick brainy friend as a favor
Nick
Are those big in Canada or is it some other stuff AYE? (I hate when they say
that! They really do to, and they mix it in with Italian, so they sound
retarded)
Sorry, I'm tired.
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necrosis
are molson canadian, and labatt blue of course there are shit loads of
others but those are the two most popular.
And we don't say aye . pirates say AYE we say eh, and yes its true we say it
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Joaquin67
est...@aol.com (EsTabu) wrote:
the official ap test grading council or something. its made up of
teachers. i don't know how they are selected but my senior year english
teacher had done it a couple of times. he had very helpful hints.
you can claim that if i get to claim likewise for my 3 on the us history
one.
matt
Joaquin67
<yann...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
you would've appreciated my id card rebellion. they didn't have rules
to bust me on for much with all of that so they started making them up
as they went. so of course i cried ex post facto and they hit me with
insubordination again (i personally liked when they took my id card and
cut it up because it was too offensive). if anyone looks at my high
school disciple record the main thing they will come away with is that i
am a very insubordinate little boy or something.
matt
Nick
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>to bust me on for much with all of that so they started making them up
>as they went. so of course i cried ex post facto and they hit me with
>insubordination again (i personally liked when they took my id card and
>cut it up because it was too offensive). if anyone looks at my high
>school disciple record the main thing they will come away with is that i
>am a very insubordinate little boy or something.
>matt
>
>
>
Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Tell me more about this ID card rebellion.
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Riley Esco <guerill...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> alt's comment about anj not going to high school in california made me
> wonder.
>
> what is the biggest question about the states that the foreigners here
> on the board have but haven't asked?
>
> I think this could be kind of interesting. go ahead and shoot.
>
> (and no "why haven't you been kicked out yet" doesn't count)
>
are merkins all taught about the u.s.'s superiority over everyone else,
in school?
you seem to 'all' look down on countries such as islamic ones. i know
that probably doesn't apply to most people in here, but to who it does,
that really annoys me :)
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Nick
> in school?
They don't go out and say, but if you pay attention, its there. We are still
really Eurocentric. I swear, all I knew about the Indians was that they
helped the early settlers out on Thanksgiving. Beyond that, I knew
nothing...until I got to take real American History with a pretty radical
teacher. The most fucked up thing I've heard the Americans doing was this.
Andrew Jackson was on the way down to Lousisiana to fight the British in the
War of 1812 (I think, I learned this a while ago...). On the way down, they
would stop at all the small Indian villages, close in the city with fire by
encircling it, and watching the people get burned alive as they tried to run
out. While doing this, they would shoot at the ones that made it. Sick
fuckers man....Andrew Jackson was kind of fucked up. He had to watch his mom
get killed by a British solgier in the Revolution, and then the guy made him
shine his boots. Anyways...
> you seem to 'all' look down on countries such as islamic ones. i know
> that probably doesn't apply to most people in here, but to who it does,
> that really annoys me :)
We don't look down on the countries, just what they do. Like, at least where
I live and where I go to school, we don't see the British as worse than us.
Same with Italy, France, Australia, Sweden, Germany, Canada, and most other
industrialized countries. Its just when we see people dying in the street in
a third world country...that's when we start to think we are better, which
is bullshit. Instead of saying how horrible Africa is, maybe we should use
some of this "economic prosperity" that is thrown around to the fat cats in
high places and feed some fucking children for Christ's sake. We have a
hidden hatred for the Mid-East countries because they control us, sad to say
it, but its true. Without their oil, we are nothing.
Nick
Joaquin67
vecto...@aol.compusa.com (Bomb-Ass Punani) wrote:
> >you would've appreciated my id card rebellion. they didn't have rules
> >to bust me on for much with all of that so they started making them up
> >as they went. so of course i cried ex post facto and they hit me with
> >insubordination again (i personally liked when they took my id card and
> >cut it up because it was too offensive). if anyone looks at my high
> >school disciple record the main thing they will come away with is that i
> >am a very insubordinate little boy or something.
> >matt
> >
>
> Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your
> newsletter.
> Tell me more about this ID card rebellion.
ok, where to start... my high school decided in my junior year that
everyone needed to wear photo id's around their necks while on school
grounds. for safety obviously. what with all the looting and pillaging
going on. anyway that year i mostly just refused to wear it. i'm sorry
but i am a firm believer in privacy rights. i will show my id to school
authorities with good reason. but i will not display my personal
information for the world to see all the time. and it was just an
excuse to stop kids in the hallway if you suspected them of general
'badness'. wasteful solution without a problem to solve.
anyway, i wrote all over mine about how it was just a scam. when i did
that there was no rule against defacing your id. so they made one up.
then they confiscated my id (oddly enough, it was in the library.
underneath the big picture of the declaration of independence) and said
that i wasn't allowed to write all over it. i told them that i had done
it while it was still legal. so they cut it up and made me by a new one
for $5. That year the movement against them was run mostly by some of
the seniors, including the school president. they went and talked at
the school board meetings, made petitions, wrote to the paper, etc. one
memorable incident had the school pres get into an argument with the
security gaurd, stand up, and throw his id in the garbage. good stuff.
but of ourse, the school board didn't care what a bunch of young punks
thought. so the year ended and the leaders of the resistance graduated.
they thought they were in the clear. and that's where i came in. i saw
that the school board wouldn't listen. so i decided to skip the polite
resistance and just cause a ruckus. me and several friends created the
student rights movement. we broadened our scope too, taking on issues
like the lack of free speech in school and the general locking down of
the school without any justification. memorable activities included:
making and distributing several hundred id sized black posterboard
srm solidarity cards. the school ordered that these be confiscated from
students. then we issued a comunique to all of the teachers, deans, and
students which explained why this was an unconstitutional activity as
held by the supreme court in tinker v des moines (useful court case for
anyone still in high school. look it up). they had to call a special
meeting to figure out how to handle that one. basically they decided to
threaten me and just assume no one else would care enough to keep trying.
flyer campaign for free speech. i had various people work
independently to put up flyers around school to catch people's
attention. we couldn't put up flyers without school approval. which
amounted to content censorship of things for no reason other than the
administration not liking what was said. they dragged me in for that
one but couldn't do anything because they couldn't prove i was behind it
all.
we made about 70 little pictures of my friend shawn and xeroxed his
id bar code. we then had 71 people in the school being shawn for a
week. that was just fun. i don't remember getting caught for that one.
i also got suspended for half a day for, you guessed it,
insubordination. someone decided to call me out on the not wearing an
id thing in the cafeteria. i told them that i refused to wear it for
ideological grounds. she called security. leville (skinny security
gaurd) came over and said to put it on or go to the dean's office. i
said no. he said ok, lets go to the deans office. i said no. he said
what? and i said drag me. this caused quite the stir. i eventually
walked in because i was threatened with a 30 day suspension. and then
all they got me on was insubordination. i should have gotten dragged.
its my one regret.
eventually things fell apart because high school kids just don't care
enough to keep fighting for long. the school decided to do what it had
done last year and just wait to get rid of me. though they did decide
to watch me closely and hassel me at every chance. i even got searched
on graduation day.
holy shit, i wrote a novel. and that's only the summary. wow.
matt
King Mob
the bulletin boards anywhere, so not much to rebel against there. They recently
fired my friend from his elected school post because his friends stole his key
to the student government office and tried to copy it, without him knowing.
Wasn't much we could do about that though, they took away his keys and assigned
him to another official... and pulled out some obscure school board rule and
new york state statute to prove they could do it. ah well
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> enough to keep fighting for long. the school decided to do what it had
> done last year and just wait to get rid of me. though they did decide
> to watch me closely and hassel me at every chance. i even got searched
> on graduation day.
how did they have the right to search you?
> holy shit, i wrote a novel. and that's only the summary. wow.
> matt
wow thats great, i dont understand what the id would have done anyway, there
was looting going on so what was the point of the id?
Joaquin67
<yann...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
> > eventually things fell apart because high school kids just don't care
> > enough to keep fighting for long. the school decided to do what it had
> > done last year and just wait to get rid of me. though they did decide
> > to watch me closely and hassel me at every chance. i even got searched
> > on graduation day.
>
> how did they have the right to search you?
they thought i might be carrying a concealed beach ball or something.
they said they wouldn't let me be part of the graduation ceremony if i
didn't submit. under normal circumstances i would have told them to
fuck off and die, but my parents and grandparents had paid for their
tickets to see the graduation and it would be mean to them.
> > holy shit, i wrote a novel. and that's only the summary. wow.
> > matt
>
> wow thats great, i dont understand what the id would have done anyway,
> there
> was looting going on so what was the point of the id?
the looting thing was sarcasm. but they never did fully express what
they thought the id's accomplished. it was just for 'safety' and
'security'. never mind that id's can't stop anyone from coming into the
building and shooting it up. who needs to work on making school's a
place that people don't want to blow up when we can just impose mindless
security measures that wouldn't even solve problems if the problems
existed in the first place? of course my suspicion is that id's are
less about safety and more about making parents feel that their kids are
safe. you don't need to face real problems if you offer feel-good
patches to non-existant ones. i like the fact that the few times i've
returned to that school to give my brother something, i just walked in
without even encountering a security gaurd. way to go guys.
matt
Bomb-Ass Punani
>> matt
>
>wow thats great, i dont understand what the id would have done anyway, there
>was looting going on so what was the point of the id?
>
>
>
>
Columbine-prevention. That's their excuse for everything. My school had a
similar policy, but the card didn't have to be displayed, just carried and
produced upon request. As far as I know, no one was ever 'carded' so to speak.
But they said that it was required to get into the building. Last year, they
checked everyone's bookbags. This year, they did 'random' metal detector
sweeps. I bitched, saying that they were goth-hunting. No more metal
detectors.
Now the gestapo want to confiscate scary looking chains. They're weapons! I'm
going to make them resort to using force. I don't think I have any legal
grounds, seeing as how very few people would interpret chains as symbolic
speech, but making the security guards grab for my neck will make a great
picture.
red rum
> holy shit, i wrote a novel. and that's only the summary. wow.
> matt
>
it's good hearing about school rebellion stories. i hated my school's
attitude to authority and discipline with a passion. i was a bit too
carefree then to organise anything tho, so i think they just thought i
had ADD from how much i used to get into trouble.
so has anyone else got any stories?
red rum
>
> They don't go out and say, but if you pay attention, its there. We
are still
> really Eurocentric. I swear, all I knew about the Indians was that
they
> helped the early settlers out on Thanksgiving. Beyond that, I knew
> nothing...until I got to take real American History with a pretty
radical
> teacher. The most fucked up thing I've heard the Americans doing was
this.
> Andrew Jackson was on the way down to Lousisiana to fight the British
in the
> War of 1812 (I think, I learned this a while ago...). On the way
down, they
> would stop at all the small Indian villages, close in the city with
fire by
> encircling it, and watching the people get burned alive as they tried
to run
> out. While doing this, they would shoot at the ones that made it. Sick
> fuckers man....Andrew Jackson was kind of fucked up. He had to watch
his mom
> get killed by a British solgier in the Revolution, and then the guy
made him
> shine his boots. Anyways...
>
to be honest, i don't begrudge the u.s. for its treatment of indians.
nor do i condone it, but it probably wasn't any worse than other
nations' treatment of its indigenous people. australia is no way
innocent either
it's one of (many) reasons i used to like watching 'cheers', it was
able to have a laugh at the country, rather than engage in ridiculous
patriotic masturbation like in top gun and millions of other shows and
films
also would anyone like to discuss 'eurocentricism'? i think it refers
(as in know your enemy) to the u.s.'s aligning with western european
culture, rather than eastern (far, middle, europe) culture. anyone
agree? i found it strange that zack was referring to u.s. attitudes
as 'european'.
yes yes i know anj, don't say it :P
<snip>
> We have a
> hidden hatred for the Mid-East countries because they control us, sad
to say
> it, but its true. Without their oil, we are nothing.
>
i always thought it was because they like to thumb their noses at the
u.s. actually
red rum
> Now the gestapo want to confiscate scary looking chains. They're
weapons! I'm
> going to make them resort to using force. I don't think I have any
legal
> grounds, seeing as how very few people would interpret chains as
symbolic
> speech, but making the security guards grab for my neck will make a
great
> picture.
>
have they ever been used as weapons? if not, they can't really justify
confiscating them. it's your say as to whether they're self expression,
not theirs
Joaquin67
<rollme...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Now the gestapo want to confiscate scary looking chains. They're
> weapons! I'm
> > going to make them resort to using force. I don't think I have any
> legal
> > grounds, seeing as how very few people would interpret chains as
> symbolic
> > speech, but making the security guards grab for my neck will make a
> great
> > picture.
> >
> have they ever been used as weapons? if not, they can't really justify
> confiscating them. it's your say as to whether they're self expression,
> not theirs
i always felt the urge to stab the security guards with a pencil and
then hit them on the head with a textbook when they started hasseling
people about their chains.
matt
Bomb-Ass Punani
>confiscating them. it's your say as to whether they're self expression,
>not theirs
Well, there's this thing in their Konduct Kode about "chain-like neckwear."
But I might have them nailed on that, because the school distributed honor roll
dog tags on ball chains, the balls having a diameter of 1.5 mm or so. The
balls us kiddos wear are about 8mm diameter. Both could be used as weapons.
In fact, the smaller balls have more potential to be used as a means of
strangulation, being longer.
King Mob
>(as in know your enemy) to the u.s.'s aligning with western european
>culture, rather than eastern (far, middle, europe) culture. anyone
>agree? i found it strange that zack was referring to u.s. attitudes
>as 'european'.
America supposedly derives its "exceptionalism" from the European empire
mentality and the colonizing "white man's burden"
Bomb-Ass Punani
>But I might have them nailed on that, because the school distributed honor
>roll
>dog tags on ball chains, the balls having a diameter of 1.5 mm or so. The
>balls us kiddos wear are about 8mm diameter. Both could be used as weapons.
>In fact, the smaller balls have more potential to be used as a means of
>strangulation, being longer.
>
Ok, I just did an experiment. I whipped myself on the arm with the large
balls, then with the small. Large ones were blunt pain, didn't linger. Small
ones, sharp, stinging pain. As I write this, a swollen mark is forming from
the small balls.
red rum
vecto...@aol.compusa.com (Bomb-Ass Punani) wrote:
> >Well, there's this thing in their Konduct Kode about "chain-like
neckwear."
> >But I might have them nailed on that, because the school distributed
honor
> >roll
> >dog tags on ball chains, the balls having a diameter of 1.5 mm or
so. The
> >balls us kiddos wear are about 8mm diameter. Both could be used as
weapons.
> >In fact, the smaller balls have more potential to be used as a means
of
> >strangulation, being longer.
> >
>
beat down the 'logic' in school regulations is not much of a challenge
> Ok, I just did an experiment. I whipped myself on the arm with the
large
> balls, then with the small. Large ones were blunt pain, didn't
linger. Small
> ones, sharp, stinging pain. As I write this, a swollen mark is
forming from
> the small balls.
>
stress = force/area. little balls will hurt more, yes
red rum
> > have they ever been used as weapons? if not, they can't really
justify
> > confiscating them. it's your say as to whether they're self
expression,
> > not theirs
>
> i always felt the urge to stab the security guards with a pencil and
> then hit them on the head with a textbook when they started hasseling
> people about their chains.
haha, logic like that flies well above schooltype people's radar systems
Altersys
<45u%5.13627$T%5.21...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>:
>Oh, and one more...do you *really* salute the flag at school?
When I was a tyke, yep.
I also saluted my second grade schoolteacher because she was a hottie... I
got started early, it seems.
-Alt
Commie1492
one of the school paper's news reporters and eventually editor and so we
were able to use that medium alot.
and it eventually had me expelled.
for, of course, insubordination.
but i think i've posted on all that before. long ago, when i first began
posting. actually i think kron posted it for me.
"Joaquin67" <Joaq...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Commie1492
"Joaquin67" <Joaq...@aol.com> i like the fact that the few times i've
> returned to that school to give my brother something, i just walked in
> without even encountering a security gaurd. way to go guys.
> matt
yeah same here...every time i go back to pick up my sister i just walk right
on in-no one would ever notice. the only encounter i did have was once when
i was leaving after getting a book to my sister, my vice principal walked
down the hall and right into me(physically, she was reading somethnig and
not paying attn). that was an interesting conversation filled with my wide
grins as i told about my "now-out-of-school" life and how so worng she had
been about me and our organizations at school. tehe.
Commie1492
"red rum" <rollme...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Jen
>attitude to authority and discipline with a passion. i was a bit too
>carefree then to organise anything tho, so i think they just thought i
>had ADD from how much i used to get into trouble.
>
>so has anyone else got any stories?
I was the best little apathetic high school student I could be.
Maybe I should have stayed and raised hell like Matt did. Matt makes me proud
:)
At my first high school, we had to wear ID badges "on the torso". Either
around our necks or on little clippy things.
Heh. No.
Although, some teachers started requiring that we show them the ID when they
took attendance or when we took tests. My "new ID" took over a year and a half
to get to me. Aww :)
I failed a lot of classes my freshman year simply because of all the unexcused
absences I racked up. It made no difference that I was passing the classes (in
a lot of cases, with As).
Dicks.
I used to get my government teacher screaming his bloody head off at me my
freshman year and half of my sophomore year (heh, that was one of the classes I
failed because of absences). He would send me out of the room right about the
time he was in my face and acting like he was going to snap and knock the hell
out of me. He kept presenting his personal opinions as facts and it pissed me
off. I pushed his buttons a lot and probably aggravated any heart conditions
he may have but he started watching what he was saying.
Other than the ID thing and seriously pissing off a teacher on a regular basis
to the point that I thought he was really going to hit me, I never had any
little wars going on with my schools. I went to three high schools in 2
schools years and 2 months so I was never anywhere long enough to particularly
care about what they were doing.
Jennifer
~~~~~~~~~~~
"To kill them teaches nothing," Anselmo said. "You cannot exterminate them
because from their seed comes more with greater hatred. Prison is nothing.
Prison only makes hatred. That all our enemies should learn."
Grachman Olajuwon
>
>are merkins all taught about the u.s.'s superiority over everyone else,
>in school?
No, we're not. Worse. (Though our economy is one of the best, no one denies
that.)
Students are taught that democracy and freedom are not better than, say,
Cuba's or China's dictatorship. If students are taught that our Constitution
and the Founding Fathers were great men, then people would accuse teachers of
being eurocentric, racist, and sexist.
>you seem to 'all' look down on countries such as islamic ones. i know
>that probably doesn't apply to most people in here, but to who it does,
>that really annoys me :)
>
I don't know about Muslim countries. I think people look down more on poor
countries like Mexico and those in Africa.
Grachman, The
Grachman Olajuwon
>From: super...@aol.com.kickass (King Mob)
>
>>also would anyone like to discuss 'eurocentricism'? i think it refers
>>(as in know your enemy) to the u.s.'s aligning with western european
>>culture, rather than eastern (far, middle, europe) culture. anyone
>>agree? i found it strange that zack was referring to u.s. attitudes
>>as 'european'.
>
>America supposedly derives its "exceptionalism" from the European empire
>mentality and the colonizing "white man's burden"
>
Western Europe, Great Britain mainly, did contribute the most to modern society
and democracy and freedom and all that stuff.
Grachman, The
Jen
>in school?
YES
The US has no problems. We are #1. All the other countries are fair game when
dissecting a nation's problems but don't fuck with the US or you'll hear a
chorus of "love it or leave it", "get the hell out", etc.
Yanni the Great
> forming from
> > the small balls.
> >
> stress = force/area. little balls will hurt more, yes
i love the way how everything in life can be broken down into convenient
formulas, everything except pies, pies are simply too complex for any one or
combination of formulas to quantify, good ole pies what with the complexity
and the good tastingness
Yanni the Great
organizations, what were you in? what exactly did you do to get expelled?
Joaquin67
Great" <yann...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
while it may be true that pi is a very complex number that doesn't mean
that it can't be part of simple formulas...
matt
(let the puns begin)
Joaquin67
gra...@aol.comOLAJUWON (Grachman Olajuwon) wrote:
> >From: red rum
>
> >
> >are merkins all taught about the u.s.'s superiority over everyone else,
> >in school?
>
> No, we're not. Worse. (Though our economy is one of the best, no one
> denies
> that.)
>
> Students are taught that democracy and freedom are not better than, say,
> Cuba's or China's dictatorship.
what the hell school did you go to? i spent a semester learning about
china. it wasn't all rosy or anything. tianamen square seems to have
been mentioned.... and i took a year long class entitled gov't and
democracy.
> If students are taught that our Constitution and the Founding Fathers
> were great men, then people would accuse teachers of
> being eurocentric, racist, and sexist.
not all of the founding fathers were great men gracky. some of them
were down right evil by my standards. the founding fathers were human.
bad ones had some good qualities, good ones had some bad.
our constitution has some really good points. especially when you see
where the arguments were coming from by reading the federalist papers.
it also explicitly endorses one of the two greatest evils ever done in
this country. i understand the reasons why this had to be done in order
to keep a country deeply divided by regionalism together. but i would
have sided with the anti-federalists personally. i'm not sure if i
would have agreed to sign it in exchange for the bill of rights while
still leaving blacks as institutionalized slaves.
but beyond all of that, my gov't and democracy class spent a year
explaining the how the system works and the benefits of it. this is
hardly failing to call it great. any more would be mindless patriotism.
it sometimes bordered on it anyway.
>
[snip]
>
> Grachman, The
matt
EsTabu
>that it can't be part of simple formulas...
>matt
>(let the puns begin)
ok i think urkel just got his wings
Yanni the Great
dont take it back, that will be fine too
Tom
Nick <nicola...@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message :
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> Dat - do - da - do - da - do --DIE!
>
> Nick
>
eheh... no really aren't any of you pissed to leave in a "democracy" where
your president is the one you didn't chose ?
Tom
Tom
society
> and democracy and freedom and all that stuff.
i do not agree with this point of wiew, coz i'm french ! UK had the first
constitution, but we made the first declaration of human rights back in 1789
and were among the first to supress esclavagism
we had our bad colonization oments too, though...
Tom
Yanni the Great
will now in detail describe why you think gore won
Judy
I would take off and roadtrip you a pie, if it were not for my new
responsible grandmawness. I hate to see anyone suffer.
Judy
educated myself.
Judy
>
or come home."
I've worked in schools and have seen some stupid anal shit.
Altersys
<91lnho$4td$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>:
>on the board have but haven't asked?
I could be classified as a "ferner" even though I'm now a naturalized
citizen... my favorite question growing up in grade school was in response
to the question posed to me, "What states have you been to other than
California?"
My response would be, "Have you ever been out of the COUNTRY?"
Oh one thing that really pissed me off in I think freshman year of high
school.... I was in world history class (moron of a teacher) and "learning"
about Africa. I mentioned that my father was born in Rhodesia (now
Zimbabwe). The class oohed and aahed because they though it was sooo
"exotic" (I fucking hate that word). After class, an attractive but rather
stupid young girl walked up to me and asks, "Wow, Africa! Do they, like,
have running water 'n' stuff?" Boy was I ticked. I responded, "No, they
do not have running water, nor central heating, and they like to run around
in their underwear killing evil White Man."
She didn't get it.
-Alt
Tom
Yanni the Great <yann...@bellatlantic.net> a écrit dans le message :
TqF%5.956$Xz4.1...@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net...
> we didnt choose bush? since you seem to be so confident in that position
you
> will now in detail describe why you think gore won
>
he got more public voices than bush...
due to my english limitations, i' don't know how to say it, but i'm talking
about the first round of the elections, when you choose the great electors
or something like that...
Tom
Riley Esco
in...@ampmanaudio.com (Altersys) wrote:
> guerill...@hotmail.com (Riley Esco) wrote in
> <91lnho$4td$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>:
>
> >on the board have but haven't asked?
>
high
> school.... I was in world history class (moron of a teacher)
and "learning"
> about Africa. I mentioned that my father was born in Rhodesia (now
> Zimbabwe). The class oohed and aahed because they though it was sooo
> "exotic" (I fucking hate that word). After class, an attractive but
rather
> stupid young girl walked up to me and asks, "Wow, Africa! Do they,
like,
> have running water 'n' stuff?" Boy was I ticked. I responded, "No,
they
> do not have running water, nor central heating, and they like to run
around
> in their underwear killing evil White Man."
>
> She didn't get it.
> -Alt
>
and the fact you said she was attractive but stupid. I *Know* that
story is real! ha!
--
``In a country that thinks it's divided by race,
where actually, it's divided by economics, I've
often wondered if gangsta rappers know how little
separates their tales of ghetto thug life from
Johnny Cash's tales of backwoods thug life."
Quentin Tarantino
"We know what happens to people who stay
in the middle of the road. They get run over."
Anuerin Bevan
jammasterjon.cjb.net
oblivion.accessus.net/~jon
Altersys
>that's the funniest fucking thing ever man.
>and the fact you said she was attractive but stupid. I *Know* that
>story is real! ha!
LOL, I just described the whole school, too... needless to say, people
considered me "weird" and didn't talk to me much. That's okay, because I
would make myself known on various occaisions. In a school full of rich
white republicans and me being the only brownie I had to do something to
represent. So I would look for the largest crowd during lunch and yell
"Excuse me, minority coming through!" and I would walk through the middle
of 'em. Used to piss them off reallllll nice :)
Man, I was a dick.
-Alt
King Mob
>Western Europe, Great Britain mainly, did contribute the most to modern
>society
>and democracy and freedom and all that stuff.
>
>
this is true, because Western Europe is the main influence on the U.S., and the
U.S. is the empire right now
---------------------
"Ladies and gentlemen:
A communique is off, with our position on the upcoming
elections. It says what it says, which is enough. We ask
for clemency for the editorial staff." -- EZLN
angel a.k.a Maja
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> alt's comment about anj not going to high school in california made me
> wonder.
>
> what is the biggest question about the states that the foreigners here
> on the board have but haven't asked?
>
>
hmmm, ok here in croatia americans are considered stupid and not enough
educated. so far many of you in the ng have proved that wrong. so are
ameicans really that stupid or they just don't care what's going on around
them?
Maja - the angel
np: nightmares on wax - carboot soul
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Just castles built on sand....
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Altersys
57244.news.dfncis.de>:
>so are
>ameicans really that stupid or they just don't care what's going on around
>them?
Usually both...
Most (especially young) Americans ARE stupid... too stupid to get onto the
internet and find newsgroups... get where I'm going with this?... :)
-Alt
Nick
countries...at least we try to hide it. :)
Nick
"Tom" <viu...@chello.fr> wrote in message
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The Naked Noodle
on more than one station...just just reruns or non-prime time hours, so for
example, "Rosie O'Donnell" is syndicated, so I thought it meant she was
shown on more than one station, since she doesn't have reruns.
~ Sandy
> >we have hundereds of local tv channels that are all owned by the same
> >corporations. its like national tv and radio only there are lots of
> >different programing schedules. lots of schedules, but still the same
> >crap.
> >
>
> during prime time every one of the major networks is showing the same
stuff. So
> people in NY and Texas will be watching Friends at the same time, for
example.
> Syndication includes when they show re-runs or other shows (Oprah) at non-
> prime time hours. Depends where you live, but you'll usually get the same
> crap- comedy shows.
>
>
>
>
>
> Grachman, The
>
>
>
>
>
Yanni the Great
> I would take off and roadtrip you a pie, if it were not for my new
> responsible grandmawness. I hate to see anyone suffer.
mmm pie roadtrip :-)
Yanni the Great
me a pie
Yanni the Great
> represent. So I would look for the largest crowd during lunch and yell
> "Excuse me, minority coming through!" and I would walk through the middle
> of 'em. Used to piss them off reallllll nice :)
ahahahaha i like that :-)
Jen
>educated. so far many of you in the ng have proved that wrong.
i find this incredibly funny.
>so are
>ameicans really that stupid or they just don't care what's going on around
>them?
both
i hate you euros for knowing as much as you do about so many different
countries
i'd be surprised if most of my former classmates knew croatia was a country
Altersys
<cUV%5.1376$Xz4.3...@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net>:
>ahahahaha i like that :-)
I got beat up a few times, but it was worth it.
-Alt
Nick
know why my parents pay $8000 a year for a freaking high school for me. and
why were the candidates talking about school funding and shit. i thought the
states control that.
Nick
- i hate using shift.
"Jen" <enn...@aol.comshoes> wrote in message
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red rum
> yeah. i was "expelled" for similar activities as our benevolent one.
Grachman Olajuwon
>>
>>Western Europe, Great Britain mainly, did contribute the most to modern
>>society
>>and democracy and freedom and all that stuff.
>>
>>
>
>this is true, because Western Europe is the main influence on the U.S., and
>the
>U.S. is the empire right now
>
Western European is one of the greatest influences on democracy, freedom,
rights, equality, etc. The Greeks and Romans too. It took great leaders and
great countries.
Grachman, The
Grachman Olajuwon
>> >From: red rum
>>
>> >
>> >are merkins all taught about the u.s.'s superiority over everyone else,
>> >in school?
>>
>> No, we're not. Worse. (Though our economy is one of the best, no one
>> denies
>> that.)
>>
>> Students are taught that democracy and freedom are not better than, say,
>> Cuba's or China's dictatorship.
>
>what the hell school did you go to? i spent a semester learning about
>china. it wasn't all rosy or anything. tianamen square seems to have
>been mentioned.... and i took a year long class entitled gov't and
>democracy.
I was wondering where the hell everyone else was going! Though in college what
I wrote is not an exaggeration by any means.
>> If students are taught that our Constitution and the Founding Fathers
>> were great men, then people would accuse teachers of
>> being eurocentric, racist, and sexist.
>
>not all of the founding fathers were great men gracky. some of them
>were down right evil by my standards. the founding fathers were human.
I agree.
>bad ones had some good qualities, good ones had some bad.
>our constitution has some really good points. especially when you see
>where the arguments were coming from by reading the federalist papers.
It's got a lot more than a few good points. I doubt anyone here has the depth
of understanding of humanity and democracy that the Founding Fathers did. I
would never claim that I could write such a document.
>it also explicitly endorses one of the two greatest evils ever done in
>this country. i understand the reasons why this had to be done in order
>to keep a country deeply divided by regionalism together. but i would
>have sided with the anti-federalists personally. i'm not sure if i
>would have agreed to sign it in exchange for the bill of rights while
>still leaving blacks as institutionalized slaves.
What if they didn't sign it?
>but beyond all of that, my gov't and democracy class spent a year
>explaining the how the system works and the benefits of it. this is
>hardly failing to call it great. any more would be mindless patriotism.
>it sometimes bordered on it anyway.
>
>>
>[snip]
>>
>> Grachman, The
>
>matt
That's true, it's not all black and white. But I think the cynicism with which
most people here (and many Americans) look at the Constitution and the U.S. is
not only ridiculous, it's just lazy.
Grachman, The
Joaquin67
gra...@aol.comOLAJUWON (Grachman Olajuwon) wrote:
[snip]
> >> If students are taught that our Constitution and the Founding Fathers
> >> were great men, then people would accuse teachers of
> >> being eurocentric, racist, and sexist.
> >
> >not all of the founding fathers were great men gracky. some of them
> >were down right evil by my standards. the founding fathers were human.
>
> I agree.
>
> >bad ones had some good qualities, good ones had some bad.
> >our constitution has some really good points. especially when you see
> >where the arguments were coming from by reading the federalist papers.
>
> It's got a lot more than a few good points. I doubt anyone here has the
> depth
> of understanding of humanity and democracy that the Founding Fathers did.
> I would never claim that I could write such a document.
i agree that they had a good understanding of humanity and they did a
damn fine job with democracy (especially as this was the first modern
attempt at it). one of my major regrets about it is the main thrust of
the anti-federalists. it really needed to include more specific rights
for all people in the nation while still including the idea that this
wouldn't be a limitation of future rights. because even with the
concession of the bill of rights that the federalists made to get the
constitution signed, those rights are degraded all of the time. and,
until the 14th amendment, state laws could legally and constitutionally
establish a religion, stop the freedom of the press, quarter state
militia troops in your house, etc (as long as the state constitution
allowed it).
> >it also explicitly endorses one of the two greatest evils ever done in
> >this country. i understand the reasons why this had to be done in order
> >to keep a country deeply divided by regionalism together. but i would
> >have sided with the anti-federalists personally. i'm not sure if i
> >would have agreed to sign it in exchange for the bill of rights while
> >still leaving blacks as institutionalized slaves.
>
>
> What if they didn't sign it?
then the convention would have either worked out a new setup or retained
the articles of confederation. slaves would still have been slaves, but
my personal morality {if was the same as it is now (probably not)}
wouldn't allow me to actively endorse slavery.
[snip]
> Grachman, The
matt
Commie1492
several student commitees who job it was to kinda watchdog all sorts of
things from the administration to the students. odd, eh? umm, i was the
student liason to the PTSA(yes the only students allowed in the
parent-teacher-student assn was given a title and was the "representative"
to the ptsa "from" the students.). umm, lets see there was also the
SPAC(student political action committee)...hehe, those were the folks that
we chose to speak to the school baord etc. they(we) were the students that
had the ability to speak and be heard(however obviously small that voice
was, it was still the student voice). it was made up of the good grades,
never "otherwise" insubordinate, often "gifted" students. and of our little
group of school paper peoples.
and then their was the stuff i was involved in outside of school that she
knew about through conversations with me and my parents. she thought my
heavy involvement with these groups was not only taking time and focus away
fomr my school work, but were bad influences on me as well. :) i've
mentioned afew of them here before.
if you'd like me to elaborate at all, let me know.
i wasn't actually expelled. last feb. i "was given the choice" of
withdrawing quitely or being expelled. at that point things had gotten so
tense and so many things were diluted with all that was going on that my
presence at newton high school was becoming more and more detremental to my
education. so i withdrew got my ged and next fall i'm going off to college.
"Yanni the Great" <yann...@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
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> in another post you said how wrong your prinicpal was about your
> organizations, what were you in? what exactly did you do to get expelled?
>
> > holy shit. you just described my high school experience. except that i
was
> > one of the school paper's news reporters and eventually editor and so we
> > were able to use that medium alot.
> > and it eventually had me expelled.
> > for, of course, insubordination.
> > but i think i've posted on all that before. long ago, when i first began
> > posting. actually i think kron posted it for me.
> >
> > "Joaquin67" <Joaq...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:91m8p2$4jjie$4...@ID-57276.news.dfncis.de...
> > > In article <20001218182331...@ng-cg1.aol.com>,
> > > vecto...@aol.compusa.com (Bomb-Ass Punani) wrote:
> > >
> > > > >you would've appreciated my id card rebellion. they didn't have
> rules
> > > > >to bust me on for much with all of that so they started making them
> up
> > > > >as they went. so of course i cried ex post facto and they hit me
> with
> > > > >insubordination again (i personally liked when they took my id card
> and
> > > > >cut it up because it was too offensive). if anyone looks at my
high
> > > > >school disciple record the main thing they will come away with is
> that
> > i
> > > > >am a very insubordinate little boy or something.
> > > > >matt
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your
> > > > newsletter.
> > > > Tell me more about this ID card rebellion.
> > >
> > > ok, where to start... my high school decided in my junior year that
> > > everyone needed to wear photo id's around their necks while on school
> > > grounds. for safety obviously. what with all the looting and
pillaging
> > > going on. anyway that year i mostly just refused to wear it. i'm
sorry
> > > but i am a firm believer in privacy rights. i will show my id to
school
> > > authorities with good reason. but i will not display my personal
> > > information for the world to see all the time. and it was just an
> > > excuse to stop kids in the hallway if you suspected them of general
> > > 'badness'. wasteful solution without a problem to solve.
> > > anyway, i wrote all over mine about how it was just a scam. when i
did
> > > that there was no rule against defacing your id. so they made one up.
> > > then they confiscated my id (oddly enough, it was in the library.
> > > underneath the big picture of the declaration of independence) and
said
> > > that i wasn't allowed to write all over it. i told them that i had
done
> > > it while it was still legal. so they cut it up and made me by a new
one
> > > for $5. That year the movement against them was run mostly by some of
> > > the seniors, including the school president. they went and talked at
> > > the school board meetings, made petitions, wrote to the paper, etc.
one
> > > memorable incident had the school pres get into an argument with the
> > > security gaurd, stand up, and throw his id in the garbage. good
stuff.
> > > but of ourse, the school board didn't care what a bunch of young punks
> > > thought. so the year ended and the leaders of the resistance
graduated.
> > > they thought they were in the clear. and that's where i came in. i
saw
> > > that the school board wouldn't listen. so i decided to skip the
polite
> > > resistance and just cause a ruckus. me and several friends created
the
> > > student rights movement. we broadened our scope too, taking on issues
> > > like the lack of free speech in school and the general locking down of
> > > the school without any justification. memorable activities included:
> > > making and distributing several hundred id sized black posterboard
> > > srm solidarity cards. the school ordered that these be confiscated
from
> > > students. then we issued a comunique to all of the teachers, deans,
and
> > > students which explained why this was an unconstitutional activity as
> > > held by the supreme court in tinker v des moines (useful court case
for
> > > anyone still in high school. look it up). they had to call a special
> > > meeting to figure out how to handle that one. basically they decided
to
> > > threaten me and just assume no one else would care enough to keep
> trying.
> > > flyer campaign for free speech. i had various people work
> > > independently to put up flyers around school to catch people's
> > > attention. we couldn't put up flyers without school approval. which
> > > amounted to content censorship of things for no reason other than the
> > > administration not liking what was said. they dragged me in for that
> > > one but couldn't do anything because they couldn't prove i was behind
it
> > > all.
> > > we made about 70 little pictures of my friend shawn and xeroxed his
> > > id bar code. we then had 71 people in the school being shawn for a
> > > week. that was just fun. i don't remember getting caught for that
one.
> > > i also got suspended for half a day for, you guessed it,
> > > insubordination. someone decided to call me out on the not wearing an
> > > id thing in the cafeteria. i told them that i refused to wear it for
> > > ideological grounds. she called security. leville (skinny security
> > > gaurd) came over and said to put it on or go to the dean's office. i
> > > said no. he said ok, lets go to the deans office. i said no. he
said
> > > what? and i said drag me. this caused quite the stir. i eventually
> > > walked in because i was threatened with a 30 day suspension. and then
> > > all they got me on was insubordination. i should have gotten dragged.
> > > its my one regret.
> > > eventually things fell apart because high school kids just don't care
> > > enough to keep fighting for long. the school decided to do what it
had
> > > done last year and just wait to get rid of me. though they did decide
> > > to watch me closely and hassel me at every chance. i even got
searched
> > > on graduation day.
> > >
> > > holy shit, i wrote a novel. and that's only the summary. wow.
> > > matt
> >
> >
>
>
King Mob
>rights, equality, etc. The Greeks and Romans too. It took great leaders and
>great countries.
The Romans never had too much freedom. Greece and Rome were both states in
which huge proportions of the populations were enslaved most of their lives.
The Greek polis was not democracy as we think of it today.. it was not even
exercise of the franchise by propertyholding white males. It was a specific
system that purported to represent the interests of the people in the
city-state through representation. The Founding Fathers really didn't take very
much from Greece or Rome, I don't think. Neither of those states had a
Constitution. And Rome's "republic" lasted only a couple of hundred corrupt
years before being absorbed into the Empire.
Joaquin67
super...@aol.com.kickass (King Mob) wrote:
> > Western European is one of the greatest influences on democracy,
> > freedom,
> >rights, equality, etc. The Greeks and Romans too. It took great leaders
> >and
> >great countries.
>
> The Romans never had too much freedom. Greece and Rome were both states
> in
> which huge proportions of the populations were enslaved most of their
> lives.
> The Greek polis was not democracy as we think of it today.. it was not
> even
> exercise of the franchise by propertyholding white males. It was a
> specific
> system that purported to represent the interests of the people in the
> city-state through representation. The Founding Fathers really didn't
> take very
> much from Greece or Rome, I don't think. Neither of those states had a
> Constitution. And Rome's "republic" lasted only a couple of hundred
> corrupt
> years before being absorbed into the Empire.
but rome gave us such great things as adverse possesion. basically
squater's rights. thats right, you too can own land without paying for
it. all you have to do is continuously occupy a peice of land in an
open fashion that is adverse to the owner for somewhere in the
neighborhood of 15 years and it becomes yours.
matt
Yanni the Great
> heavy involvement with these groups was not only taking time and focus
away
> fomr my school work, but were bad influences on me as well. :) i've
> mentioned afew of them here before.
> if you'd like me to elaborate at all, let me know.
please do elaborate, i mean what the hell exactly did you do so bad that
they wanted to kick you out? did you break any big rules or destory school
property?
> i wasn't actually expelled. last feb. i "was given the choice" of
> withdrawing quitely or being expelled. at that point things had gotten so
> tense and so many things were diluted with all that was going on that my
> presence at newton high school was becoming more and more detremental to
my
> education. so i withdrew got my ged and next fall i'm going off to
college.
excellent, put all that shit behind you, so you going to school in atlanta?
Tom
> yes he got more votes but according to the rules he won, case closed, bake
> me a pie
>
i like cooking, but not baking pie ;P
bake it yourself !
Tom
wicked tongue
>but rome gave us such great things as adverse possesion.
oh come on, what have the Romans ever given *us*? ;)
anjinho
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Joaquin67
don...@rhubarb.com wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:38:08 -0600, Joaquin67 <Joaq...@aol.com> waffled:
>
>
> >but rome gave us such great things as adverse possesion.
>
> oh come on, what have the Romans ever given *us*? ;)
>
> anjinho
the aqueduct?
matt
wicked tongue
>In article <ut744tsro642kjk84...@4ax.com>,
>don...@rhubarb.com wrote:
>> oh come on, what have the Romans ever given *us*? ;)
>>
>
>the aqueduct?
er..yeah....that's true.
and sanitation
angel a.k.a Maja
"Jen" <enn...@aol.comshoes> wrote in message
news:20001219225331...@ng-fw1.aol.com...
> >educated. so far many of you in the ng have proved that wrong.
>
> i find this incredibly funny.
>
why?
> i hate you euros for knowing as much as you do about so many different
> countries
>
i guess we learn more at school - i'm not saying that our education system
is better, it's just that we learn much more.
> i'd be surprised if most of my former classmates knew croatia was a
country
>
well, some americans thought it was somewhere in africa:)
Maja - the angel
angel a.k.a Maja
> i like cooking, but not baking pie ;P
> bake it yourself !
>
hey, hey, you can't talk to yanni like that! you must bake him a pie, cause
if he doesn't get his daily amount of pies he turns into an evil greek and
than he starts eating ng members. we lost bengood like that:)
Grachman Olajuwon
>
>> Western European is one of the greatest influences on democracy, freedom,
>>rights, equality, etc. The Greeks and Romans too. It took great leaders and
>>great countries.
>
>The Romans never had too much freedom. Greece and Rome were both states in
>which huge proportions of the populations were enslaved most of their lives.
>The Greek polis was not democracy as we think of it today.. it was not even
>exercise of the franchise by propertyholding white males. It was a specific
>system that purported to represent the interests of the people in the
>city-state through representation. The Founding Fathers really didn't take
>very
>much from Greece or Rome, I don't think. Neither of those states had a
>Constitution. And Rome's "republic" lasted only a couple of hundred corrupt
>years before being absorbed into the Empire.
200 years does not = 0 influence
What do you mean they didn't take much for Greece and Rome? They created the
idea of democracy in the first place!
Grachman, The
King Mob
>
>
> What do you mean they didn't take much for Greece and Rome? They created
>the
>idea of democracy in the first place!
did you read any of the specific stuff that I said
Grachman Olajuwon
>
>
>>200 years does not = 0 influence
>>
>>
>> What do you mean they didn't take much for Greece and Rome? They created
>>the
>>idea of democracy in the first place!
>
>did you read any of the specific stuff that I said
Yes. You want me to defend the Romans?
All I said was they influenced the Founding Fathers. I'm not going to defend
them on your points on slavery and other issues.
I'm not sure you read my original post. You just saw "Romans" and listed all
the bad things about them.
Grachman, The
kikers
>
> guerill...@hotmail.com (Riley Esco) wrote in
> <91lnho$4td$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>:
>
> >on the board have but haven't asked?
>
> I could be classified as a "ferner" even though I'm now a naturalized
> citizen... my favorite question growing up in grade school was in response
> to the question posed to me, "What states have you been to other than
> California?"
>
> My response would be, "Have you ever been out of the COUNTRY?"
>
> Oh one thing that really pissed me off in I think freshman year of high
> school.... I was in world history class (moron of a teacher) and "learning"
> about Africa. I mentioned that my father was born in Rhodesia (now
> Zimbabwe). The class oohed and aahed because they though it was sooo
> "exotic" (I fucking hate that word). After class, an attractive but rather
> stupid young girl walked up to me and asks, "Wow, Africa! Do they, like,
> have running water 'n' stuff?" Boy was I ticked. I responded, "No, they
> do not have running water, nor central heating, and they like to run around
> in their underwear killing evil White Man."
>
> She didn't get it.
>
> -Alt
What's there to "get"? You intended to be sarcastic but in fact didn't
say anything that wasn't factually true. Africa is pretty dismal in
providing infrastructure and as for whites being killed, just ask your
dad about the Second Chimurenga War (1972-1980) in Zimbabwe. See if he
knows about the Stanleyville (Congo) Massacre of 1964 or the shootdown
of 2 Air Rhodesia airliners in 1978-79. Maybe they weren't wearing
underwear but they sure were killing.
--
A. P. Kiker
Altersys
>What's there to "get"? You intended to be sarcastic but in fact didn't
>say anything that wasn't factually true. Africa is pretty dismal in
>providing infrastructure and as for whites being killed, just ask your
>dad about the Second Chimurenga War (1972-1980) in Zimbabwe. See if he
>knows about the Stanleyville (Congo) Massacre of 1964 or the shootdown
>of 2 Air Rhodesia airliners in 1978-79. Maybe they weren't wearing
>underwear but they sure were killing.
>
>--
>A. P. Kiker
<the point>
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
<you>
Ever been to Africa? It's a beautiful continent in many places. Ugly in
others. The ugly parts get on the news. The pretty parts don't. Just
like in America. My point was that Africa (and so many other "third
world countries" which is an insult in itself) isn't so different from this
heaven on earth that is America (in that girl's puny eyes). If you
disagree with that there's nothing for us to discuss.
Thing is, the judgmental nature of pretty much every untravelled American
is what pisses off soooo many people from abroad. "Who the hell are you to
tell us how to live? We have problems, and so do you." That is the point.
I am fortunate to have travelled a lot before I moved here and became a
citizen. I love this country and I hate it as well. I would not want to
live elsewhere, but I do hope that someday Americans would understand what
humility is.
-Alt
kikers
>
> aki...@ev1.net (kikers) wrote in <3A42C1...@ev1.net>:
>
> >What's there to "get"? You intended to be sarcastic but in fact didn't
> >say anything that wasn't factually true. Africa is pretty dismal in
> >providing infrastructure and as for whites being killed, just ask your
> >dad about the Second Chimurenga War (1972-1980) in Zimbabwe. See if he
> >knows about the Stanleyville (Congo) Massacre of 1964 or the shootdown
> >of 2 Air Rhodesia airliners in 1978-79. Maybe they weren't wearing
> >underwear but they sure were killing.
> >
> >--
> >A. P. Kiker
>
> <the point>
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> <you>
>
> Ever been to Africa?
No, but I'd love to go.
It's a beautiful continent in many places. Ugly in
> others.
I should say, I'd love to go before the beautiful places become ugly.
The ugly parts get on the news. The pretty parts don't. Just
> like in America.
Just like in America? Afraid not. There is a difference. People know
it and vote with their feet/rafts. The US has an illegal immigration
issue. Zambia does not. Angola does not. Mali does not.
My point was that Africa (and so many other "third
> world countries" which is an insult in itself) isn't so different from this
> heaven on earth that is America (in that girl's puny eyes).
Oh, but it is.
If you
> disagree with that there's nothing for us to discuss.
Pity, discussion need not end due to disagreement.
>
> Thing is, the judgmental nature of pretty much every untravelled American
> is what pisses off soooo many people from abroad. "Who the hell are you to
> tell us how to live? We have problems, and so do you."
Why should only untravelled Americans raise your rancor? There are
plenty of Africans who certainly can't afford to travel to the U.S. Do
we call them provincial, closed minded, judgemental?
That is the point.
> I am fortunate to have travelled a lot before I moved here and became a
> citizen.
In the information age, the difference between traveller and the
not-so-traveled but nontheless informed will diminish.
I love this country and I hate it as well. I would not want to
> live elsewhere, but I do hope that someday Americans would understand what
> humility is.
Humility. Humility are the Zimbabweans accepting their lot 20 years
after independence. It is one of the beautiful places you referred to,
turning surely ugly.
>
> -Alt
--
A. P. Kiker
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Grachman Olajuwon
> "Wow, Africa! Do they, like,
>> have running water 'n' stuff?" Boy was I ticked. I responded, "No, they
>> do not have running water, nor central heating, and they like to run around
>> in their underwear killing evil White Man."
>>
>> She didn't get it.
>>
>> -Alt
Maybe you should be nice and help her out in understanding her. I'm not
defending her, but at some point in these types of conversations someone has to
act like an adult.
Grachman, The
corporatechrist
>Humility. Humility are
humility is a plural now?
mltx
"You'll love Piece of SHIT. Without the
slightest sense of irony, it's a piece of
shit."
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King Mob
I dunno, I thought you were gonna
>All I said was they influenced the Founding Fathers. I'm not going to defend
>them on your points on slavery and other issues.
>I'm not sure you read my original post. You just saw "Romans" and listed all
>the bad things about them.
I did indeed list many of the bad things about them. There were more. I still
don't see how the Romans influenced the Founding Fathers, other than by having
a really big empire. But that affected later policymakers more than the FFs I'd
think
Jen
>i guess we learn more at school - i'm not saying that our education system
>is better, it's just that we learn much more.
it probably is and you do
we really don't learn very much in school when you think about how much time we
spend there
i can't remember even one occasion that involved mention of the word "croatia"
from school
i'm a total science nerd at heart and i have to force myself to read any sort
of history book unless it's my current favorite subject