Trying to forget Amnesiac
Gabe Miller
are some people out there who know it. I don't mean to say the album
isn't entirely uninteresting, it is interesting, but surely not in the
manner intended. For example, Pyramid Song, while maybe the strongest
track, shows what Radiohead sound like when they're trying really hard
to produce something profound. They're trying *too* hard, of course,
and to hear that is kind of interesting. Compare Pyramid to "Exit
Music", which sounds spontaneous and alive despite having infinite
depth. Compare it and cry, I'd say. And no, I'm not a Radiohead
historian who longs for the good ol' days of 'Street Spirit'...Kid A
was a fucking monster, probably the best thing they've ever done.
But they shouldn't have released this c grade crap. The Amnesia theme
is forced, pale, and retarded. 'You and Whose Army', 'Hunting Bears,'
and 'Pulk' are complete non-songs. The critics are polite of course,
and call these wastes of tape "adventurous experiments!", but it
sounds to me like just a load of shit. I won't even mention the new
and improved 'Morning Bell' with retsin.
The funny thing is how the critics are making it seem like Radiohead
have suddenly delved into experimental sounds when they've always been
"experimental." What were the guitar scrapes on 'Bullet Proof?'
'Fitter, Happier' wasn't a song, but it was great because it had
weight and was funny. I think it's fair to say the press is still
petrified when it comes to making any comments which could be
understood in any way to be saying something negative about RH, and
this is sad.
I don't know, bands can fall into slumps. Hopefully this is just Slump
Radiohead, and LP6 will be wonderful.
Tom W
With all respect, I disagree. I'll make it short. "Amnesiac" is a state of
mind.
Yours truly,
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rooskiemark
wrote:
>It's the worst thing they've done since Pablo Honey and I know there
>are some people out there who know it.
I agree.
>
>But they shouldn't have released this c grade crap.
i don't agree it's 'c grade crap.'
>The Amnesia theme is forced, pale, and retarded.
i don't care about album 'themes' so much. and, as much as i love the
word 'retarded' and try to find uses for it as often as possible, it's
pretty much meaningless in this context. i can't describe shit either,
but we've got to try harder than to just say 'retarded.'
>'You and Whose Army', 'Hunting Bears,' and 'Pulk' are complete non-songs.
YAWA is all right. Pulk is OK as background music. HB is pointless, I
agree.
> I won't even mention the new and improved 'Morning Bell' with retsin.
yeah, that annoyed me more than anything.
>I don't know, bands can fall into slumps. Hopefully this is just Slump
>Radiohead, and LP6 will be wonderful.
i don't think the band's in a 'slump' necessarily. amnesiac is sort of
a clearing-the-decks album, i think, which happens to be better than
quite a lot of the dreck that's out there. and, yes, hopefully the 6th
lp, with a fresh approach, will make us all happy.
Das Monkey
> But they shouldn't have released this c grade crap. The Amnesia theme
> is forced, pale, and retarded. 'You and Whose Army', 'Hunting Bears,'
> and 'Pulk' are complete non-songs.
YAWA a non-song?
hmm, ok.
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While I can see a similarity between the confusion caused by both
amnesia and mental retardation, what I really wonder is which one
you're suffering from. See below for details.
>'You and Whose Army', 'Hunting Bears,' and 'Pulk' are complete
>non-songs.
And...
>'Fitter, Happier' wasn't a song, but it was great because it had
>weight and was funny.
You just invalidated your suggestion that non-songs are worthless.
>I think... the press is... petrified... to be... negative about RH...
I think they're leaving the unintelligent, shallow decries to the
fans. Journalists get paid to say something interesting.
slumpy
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> > I don't know, bands can fall into slumps. Hopefully this is just Slump
> > Radiohead, and LP6 will be wonderful.
>
slumpy
Mike Levitt
> It's the worst thing they've done since Pablo Honey and I know there
> are some people out there who know it. I don't mean to say the album
> isn't entirely uninteresting, it is interesting, but surely not in the
> manner intended. For example, Pyramid Song, while maybe the strongest
> track, shows what Radiohead sound like when they're trying really hard
> to produce something profound. They're trying *too* hard, of course,
> and to hear that is kind of interesting. Compare Pyramid to "Exit
> Music", which sounds spontaneous and alive despite having infinite
> depth. Compare it and cry, I'd say. And no, I'm not a Radiohead
> historian who longs for the good ol' days of 'Street Spirit'...Kid A
> was a fucking monster, probably the best thing they've ever done.
Interesting that 'Egyptian Song/Pyramid Song' was written and
performed before Kid A - Thom played it live at the Tibetan Freedom
Concert on 6/99. I respectfully disagree that they're 'trying too
hard', especially regarding Pyramid Song.
Mike
Dan Brusca
After much listening I agree with this.
However, it's still miles better than most music out there.
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Jonathan McArthur
| > It's the worst thing they've done since Pablo Honey
| After much listening I agree with this.
Bleh, it's better than The Bends, Itch, My Iron Lung and Airbag/How Am I Driving?.
| However, it's still miles better than most music out there.
So is Pablo Honey. And Pablo Honey is pants, save a couple of songs.
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and the fact that it followed the beautifully cohesive 'kid a' so
closely didn't help imho*. seperately, i enjoy the songs completely,
although the engineering to me seems off on some of the songs: 'packt'
is brilliantly mixed, but songs like knives out and dollars & cents
although great songs in themselves kinda fall flat by how they were
treated post-productionwise.
the first time i heard 'hunting bears' i was blown away. the soft
background ambience just fills my head as the meandering notes float
along. but it hardly fit in well. i forgot from where, but i heard
that radiohead were considering a set of seperate ep's ala 'the beta
band'. i would've been totally into it, because all of these seemingly
mix-matched songs could've come together perhaps a little better in
their own little environments grouped together with "similar" songs that
made up lp#5, and be treated as seperate entities and perhaps complete
eachother a little better. and then they could create an LE for each
one and _really_ empty our pockets! (j/k*)
Hal Mackins
people show a dislike for Pablo Honey. I completely disagree with this
opinion and feel it's a great guitar-rock album. It's lightweight, doesn't
take itself too seriously, and isn't burdened by some of the heavier themes
of The Bends and Radiohead's later works. While I really dislike Creep, I
have a hard time finding fault with You, How Do You?, Anyone Can Play
Guitar, Ripcord, Vegetable, Prove Yourself, and Blow Out.
Which brings me to my question: I'm curious about you anti-Pablo people. I
initially wrote off Radiohead after hearing Creep when it first played on
the radio; the melody of the tune just seemed to rub me the wrong way. I
only gave them a second chance when I heard The Bends and Just off LP2.
I've been hooked since then; I adore OK Computer, got myself to enjoy Kid A
after a few listens, and find myself liking Amnesiac a bit more than its
brother. But Pablo-haters...I'm guessing the more complex, both
thematically and musically, concepts that evolved during the OK years, and
subsequently, were what drew you into the band's fandom. Am I correct?
Because it seems like a lot of people who love the band's latest stuff
really loathe their early work. And while I eased myself into the
electronic later stuff, is there anyone out there who has learned to love
the earlier stuff as well?
Just wondering.
-Hal-
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Well, they did better stuff before Pablo Honey methinks, and the b-sides to
Pablo Honey outconquers a lot of the stuff on the actual album. Yes I Am is
a classic, and Coke Babies is as good as anything they did in The Bends
period if you ask me. Plus plus. Banana Co, especially the full band
version, and ohmygod Killer Cars.. and Stupid Car is very cute too.
The problem with Pablo Honey was it was mightly time restricted, and
Radiohead has always been a band who's been best if they weren't rushed, and
they spent half of their time arguing, shouting while the songs were
recorded in a hurry. I think a lot of the songs might have been better if
Radiohead had more time recording it.
But its a good album nevertheless, its just not as timeless and flowing as
the other albums. Thom shouts too much, and hasn't found his trademark
falsetto thing in his voice completely yet.. and the tracklisting is pretty
fucked up. I think there's bootlegs around only with Pablo Honey tracks, but
with a better tracklist.. I saw somebody post something about that here a
long while ago anyways.
Blow Out is brilliant though, love that nuclear thing in the end.. makes
Godspeed You Black Emperor seem like Britney Spears..
Ehm. No, I didn't mean that..
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Andraes Moss
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Lynn
>really loathe their early work. And while I eased myself into the
>electronic later stuff, is there anyone out there who has learned to love
>the earlier stuff as well?
I didn't need to "learn" to love it....I loved it from the
beginning. I think it's a great album, in fact just last night I
was sitting out under the stars with headphones listening to it.
I don't understand why some people detest it so much. I think
it's wonderful. It really irks me when people consider OK
Computer to be the crowning glory of the band. I loved the stuff
that came before it. As for the newer stuff, I love it too, but
I have to admit, it took a few listens before Kid A grew on me.
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Ambs
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> Because it seems like a lot of people who love the band's latest stuff
> really loathe their early work. And while I eased myself into the
> electronic later stuff, is there anyone out there who has learned to love
> the earlier stuff as well?
>
> Just wondering.
> -Hal-
Absolutely! I personally like Pablo Hunny for what it is. It doesn't
pretend to be anything "deep and meaningful". I really like Radiohead's
older stuff, and have found it hard to appreciate Kid A... which obviously
makes me a freak of some sort, or not a true fan. Anywho, I have found it
far easier to listen to and appreciate Amnesiac, not sure why, but it has a
more "polished sound" than Kid A... to my untrained ear anyway. I love The
Bends. I quite like Pablo Hunny, and Ok Computer, but something about Kid A
doesn't do it for me.
Admittedly I am relatively new to Radiohead, so these views may change, but
for now this is how it sits.
I think that The Bends plays well as an album, and I find that personally I
like to listen to it in its entirety rather than just a few songs, same with
Amnesiac. As yet I cannot do this with Kid A.
Anywho... my initial point was, yes I do like their earlier stuff.
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Paul Hopwood
>Absolutely! I personally like Pablo Hunny for what it is. It doesn't
>pretend to be anything "deep and meaningful". I really like Radiohead's
>older stuff, and have found it hard to appreciate Kid A... which obviously
>makes me a freak of some sort, or not a true fan.
And I, a fellow freak. I don't like Kid A at all. In all honesty,
were it not by Radiohead I'd probably not even own it.
>Anywho, I have found it
>far easier to listen to and appreciate Amnesiac, not sure why, but it has a
>more "polished sound" than Kid A... to my untrained ear anyway.
Likewise. Amnesiac is very "Kid B"-like in some places, but there are
some great tracks like I Might Be Wrong which break the whole thing up
and make it more palatable - for me at least. It's probably the
inferior of the two albums and is certainly less coherent than Kid A
but it feels like it has more substance.
>I love The
>Bends. I quite like Pablo Hunny, and Ok Computer, but something about Kid A
>doesn't do it for me.
Pablo isn't a great album and has been bettered not only by the band
themselves but lots of other bands, but it has it's moments. And, as
someone else mentioned, the singles from it have some great b-sides.
The Bends remains my favourite album, although it's a close call
between that and OK Computer, but I love the raw energy of The Bends.
Kid A is my least favourite. That's not to say it's a bad album - I
just don't "get" it; it doesn't absolutely nothing for me.
>Admittedly I am relatively new to Radiohead, so these views may change, but
>for now this is how it sits.
I'm relatively "old" to Radiohead (6 years), so it's probably nothing
to do with how long you've been a fan.
>I think that The Bends plays well as an album, and I find that personally I
>like to listen to it in its entirety rather than just a few songs, same with
>Amnesiac. As yet I cannot do this with Kid A.
I can't listen to Kid A at all, so you've got one up on me there.
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tim byron.
>"Dan Brusca" wrote:
>| > It's the worst thing they've done since Pablo Honey
>| After much listening I agree with this.
>
>Bleh, it's better than The Bends, Itch, My Iron Lung and Airbag/How Am I Driving?.
>| However, it's still miles better than most music out there.
>
>So is Pablo Honey. And Pablo Honey is pants, save a couple of songs.
Which ones do you think aren't pants? Blow Out and Stop Whispering are
it for me. Though I like a live acoustic version of Blow Out ten times
better, and like the Itch version of Stop Whispering better.
tim.
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3. "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if
Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running
around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and
listening to repetitive electronic music."
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Ambs
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> And I, a fellow freak. I don't like Kid A at all. In all honesty,
> were it not by Radiohead I'd probably not even own it.
Good call... but then, I guess I could say that about a lot of my CD's...
> Likewise. Amnesiac is very "Kid B"-like in some places, but there are
> some great tracks like I Might Be Wrong which break the whole thing up
> and make it more palatable - for me at least. It's probably the
> inferior of the two albums and is certainly less coherent than Kid A
> but it feels like it has more substance.
Kid-B... I like that... probably not a new term, but new to me.
> Pablo isn't a great album and has been bettered not only by the band
> themselves but lots of other bands, but it has it's moments. And, as
> someone else mentioned, the singles from it have some great b-sides.
Haven't got any B-sides... don't shoot me, like I said... new to
radiohead...
> The Bends remains my favourite album, although it's a close call
> between that and OK Computer, but I love the raw energy of The Bends.
Yep, The Bends is my favourite... probably followed by Ok Computer...
> Kid A is my least favourite. That's not to say it's a bad album - I
> just don't "get" it; it doesn't absolutely nothing for me.
I think that's part of the problem. A lot of people talk about how great
Kid-A is, and how it was the album of the 90's or what have you, but I just
don't get it. I feel like I should at least be able to tolerate it...
> I'm relatively "old" to Radiohead (6 years), so it's probably nothing
> to do with how long you've been a fan.
But your music tastes change. I used to like Peter Coomb... may be a lost
reference in here... he was an aussie kiddy song guy... "newspaper mumma,
newspaper mumma, newpaper mumma everyday!" Anywho...
> I can't listen to Kid A at all, so you've got one up on me there.
Not by a lot :)
Jadam
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couple of weeks. Then I started "getting" it, I guess. So that was my first
taste of them, really. I had stumbled across Creep again about a year ago,
after having not heard it since about '95, but nothing else till kid a. Then
I bought the Bends, and it was great too, but in a different way. I love the
beginning, with the fade in into Planet Telex. I then bought Pablo Honey,
and it seemed kinda bland compared to Kid A. I more or less bought it for
creep. I've been listening to it again recently, and I've come to appreciate
about half the tracks on it. The break where Thom hits the high note in You
before the solo gives me chills, Stop Whispering is cool, Thinking About You
is kind of Creep Revisted, and Blow Out is great. Then my band started
covering Karma Police at the beginning of the year, so I got OK Computer. I
can't decide if I like Kid A or OKC better. Probably Kid A. Kid A just seems
to flow. Amnesiac is pretty good too, but it isn't as cohesive as OKC or Kid
A. Like Spinning Plates is probably my favorite song off that one, or YAWA.
Ok, im' going to stop talking about this now.
Playtek
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> It's the worst thing they've done since Pablo Honey
That was a VERY good CD (pablo honey) and so if it is their worst sence
that... it F-n rules :)
> and I know there
> are some people out there who know it. I don't mean to say the album
> isn't entirely uninteresting, it is interesting, but surely not in the
> manner intended. For example, Pyramid Song, while maybe the strongest
> track, shows what Radiohead sound like when they're trying really hard
> to produce something profound. They're trying *too* hard, of course,
> and to hear that is kind of interesting.
The thing is is they are NOT trying at all... (be be profound) they are just
going hwere they feal the music is leading them... and this was the next
(logical) step from kid A and took it...
> Compare Pyramid to "Exit
> Music",
YOU CANNOT COMPAIRE THESE 2 SONGS!!!! come on they are written in differant
era's of Radiohead... they shouldnt even be mentioned as simmaler ... i spit
on your for that lol j/k but realkly you cant compaire those :)
(they both are GREAT song i might add)
> which sounds spontaneous and alive despite having infinite
> depth. Compare it and cry, I'd say. And no, I'm not a Radiohead
> historian who longs for the good ol' days of 'Street Spirit'
Ok I liked the bends and P-honey but I belive anyone who devotes their time
to just one album is missing WAY too much :)
>...Kid A
> was a fucking monster, probably the best thing they've ever done.
No dissagreements here But Amnisiac is CLOSE
> But they shouldn't have released this c grade crap.
spits*
> The Amnesia theme
what theme?
> is forced, pale, and retarded.
hehe i love that word
> 'You and Whose Army', 'Hunting Bears,'
> and 'Pulk' are complete non-songs.
Bad move.. Dissin my fave songs on the CD
> The critics are polite of course,
> and call these wastes of tape "adventurous experiments!", but it
> sounds to me like just a load of shit.
The Critics Say what they want to say... they cant be afraid of the machine
lest to be crushed by it...
I won't even mention the new
> and improved 'Morning Bell' with retsin.
I agree it isnt anything new really over the last one but it is better
> The funny thing is how the critics are making it seem like Radiohead
> have suddenly delved into experimental sounds when they've always been
> "experimental." What were the guitar scrapes on 'Bullet Proof?'
Gutiar Scrapes... eyah thats about it
> 'Fitter, Happier' wasn't a song, but it was great because it had
> weight and was funny.
Meh :/
> I think it's fair to say the press is still
> petrified when it comes to making any comments which could be
> understood in any way to be saying something negative about RH, and
> this is sad.
See above
> I don't know, bands can fall into slumps. Hopefully this is just Slump
> Radiohead, and LP6 will be wonderful.
LOL slump? well say what you will :)
Mr. McHoohaw
COMP album, not an album.. it can never be a Kid A or OK Computer. I
think it's rather neat that they released it... I had several live
versions from shows past of songs that they finally released on the album
which was cool... I dont know about experimental, but some tracks seem
more on the abstract side of things.. kinna like the way The Cure went
when they did Bloodflowers...<shrug>
-j
Iook short
>more on the abstract side of things.. kinna like the way The Cure went
>when they did Bloodflowers...<shrug>
bloodflowers wasn't abstract...it was disappointing.