"Best Radiohead Song"
Stijn Coppenolle
Greets, Stijn
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> My choice... Paranoid android
>
> Greets, Stijn
>
THIS THREAD HAS POTENTIAL
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but I'm gonna say "you never wash up after yourself"
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> "Stijn Coppenolle" <stijn.co...@pandora.be> wrote in message
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> > My choice... Paranoid android
> >
> > Greets, Stijn
> >
>
>
> THIS THREAD HAS POTENTIAL
>
>
I haven't heard that one before.
I like Killer Cars
mangleweed
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> Greets, Stijn
>
"There There"
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> Greets, Stijn
>
>
CREEPS
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Will Dormann
> My choice... Paranoid android
>
> Greets, Stijn
Polyethylene (Parts 1 & 2)
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>
> Greets, Stijn
Pearly*
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Indeed.
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> While making a run on his Ono-Sendai, Will Dormann
> <wdor...@yahoo.com.invalid> hit a patch of particularly nasty black ice,
> causing the following message to issue forth:
>
> > Stijn Coppenolle wrote:
> >
> >> My choice... Paranoid android
> >>
> >> Greets, Stijn
> >
> >
> > Polyethylene (Parts 1 & 2)
>
> Crawling Up The Walls
Climbing?
Rabbi Swann
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snuh
Rabbi Swann
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another for polyethylene
it soooo should have been on okc
James Q. Morrissey
> > >
> > > Greets, Stijn
> >
> >
> > Polyethylene (Parts 1 & 2)
>
> another for polyethylene
>
> it soooo should have been on okc
it so should not. it's good but would have stuck out like a sore thumb. very
bends era rock it is.
JQM
Rabbi Swann
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ahh come on surely it would have been perfect as one of those hidden
tracks that play 10 mins after the last song.
/still hating electioneering
F&H
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> airbag
>
>
ayyyyyyyyyyyyyurrrbaaag
erm
Seriously?
Probably Fog or Paranoid Android (just been listening to it on headphones,
I'd forgotten how good it was :D)
TJ
Ashish Advani
>
>
>
James Q. Morrissey
>
> Greets, Stijn
the correct answer is "i love them so much i could not choose just one".
pff.
JQM
st
LAST FLOWERS TILL THE HOSPITAL
Will Dormann
> Way down deep in the middle of the congo, Stijn Coppenolle and a hippo took an
> apricot a guava and a mango. Stuck it with the others and he danced a dainty
> tango...
>
>
>>My choice... Paranoid android
>>
>>Greets, Stijn
>
>
> Polyethene (Parts 1&2) and or Everything In Its Right Place.
>
> Cuttooth is pretty good too, as is Thinking About You. Then Punchdrunk Lovesick
> Singalong, is great too, not to mention... etc.
Punchdrunk Lovesick Singalong is great.
-WD
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>> > Stijn Coppenolle wrote:
>> >
>> >> My choice... Paranoid android
>> >>
>> >> Greets, Stijn
>> >
>> >
>> > Polyethylene (Parts 1 & 2)
>>
>> Crawling Up The Walls
>
>
> Climbing?
That too. ^_^ Especially live.
Angus Haynes
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> i would definitley say talk show host
>
>
I love that song, too. Actually, the soundtrack to Romeo and Juliet (bar a
couple of tracks) is really quite good.
Angus Haynes
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> Greets, Stijn
>
IN MY PLACE IS THE BEST SONG EASYLY.
IMK
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I got a version of Electioneering from the Jay Leno show that is quite good;
better than the cd version. Of course, it also has Jay Leno shouting "Thanks
Lads" over and over like a goof at the end.
IMK
I feel the same way about Palo Alto.
Rabbi Swann
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is that the gray haired american bloke with a massive head?
Rabbi Swann
for some strange reason even though okc is my favourite album of all time,
I always think meeting in the aisle, pearly, paulo alto, polyethalyne, a
reminder and that weird bside remix of climbing up the walls should all of
been on okc.
I mean who would miss electioneering and fitter amiga voice simulator
anyway??? :O)
IMK
Yup, with the freakish chin.
Rabbi Swann
pml i now know who you are on about :o)
kinda like that letterman bloke but not as unfunny
IMK
The b-sides from OKC and Bends eras were all great. Palo Alto does a
wonderful job of summing up the little tech cities that have sprung up
around here so I think it is special.
I had this girlfriend a few years ago that hadn't been introduced to
Radiohead. I made her an 80 minute cd of stuff from Pablo Honey to Kid A.
When I asked her later what song she liked the most, she said Pearly.
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> Way down deep in the middle of the congo, Stijn Coppenolle and a hippo
took an
> apricot a guava and a mango. Stuck it with the others and he danced a
dainty
> tango...
> Now playing: Winamp stopped
> "Terry Wogan is from Limerick. So am I" - Kaini Industries
CONTEXT GODDAMMIT
IMK
Exactly, which I think is about the most damning thing you can say about a
talk show host.
Blue108uk
Knives Out.
Blue
Onion Bob
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> >Subject: Re: "Best Radiohead Song"
>
> Knives Out.
>
Knives Out is to Paranoid Android what The Last Samurai is to Dances With
Wolves.
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wrote:
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>> >Subject: Re: "Best Radiohead Song"
>>
>> Knives Out.
>>
>
>
>Knives Out is to Paranoid Android what The Last Samurai is to Dances With
>Wolves.
The recorded version is shite. Check out 16/09/00 Nijmegen. Brilliant
take, never to be surpassed. I'll send it to you if you want..
Jonathan McArthur
>>> Subject: Re: "Best Radiohead Song"
>> Knives Out.
> Knives Out is to Paranoid Android what The Last Samurai is to Dances
With
> Wolves.
What are you saying, exactly? They're both long and crap, but the older
one is longer and the newer one is derivative of the older?
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I'd be interested to hear that. Post it on a webpage somewhere.
Roxymuzac
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> "Onion Bob" MEAT:
> >>> Subject: Re: "Best Radiohead Song"
> >> Knives Out.
> > Knives Out is to Paranoid Android what The Last Samurai is to Dances
> With
> > Wolves.
>
> What are you saying, exactly? They're both long and crap, but the older
> one is longer and the newer one is derivative of the older?
I quite liked Dances With Wolves, and I've no time for a crappy rehash of
it. Ditto Paranoid Android and Knives Out.
Ken Smith
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> "Ken Smith" <false....@welovespam.com> top-posted in message
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> > My choice... Paranoid android
> >
> > Greets, Stijn
> >
> >
> There is no best, only your favourite.
What is your favourite in that case?
Angus Haynes
> it. Ditto Paranoid Android and Knives Out.
Ok, so Paranoid Android and Knives Out are very similar chords wise, but
really, they don't sound much like each other IMO. Paranoid Android is much
more developed.
st
MSN or icq or something?
Angus Haynes
> >
>
> MSN or icq or something?
icq = 2694466
Stomper90
Nathan
a fantastic song, definately one of the best off Amnesiac.
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I agree with you, but you top-posted, so you are actually worse than Hitler.
It makes me sa
Angus Haynes
it's
> a fantastic song, definately one of the best off Amnesiac.
I agree, it is fantastic. It's not as good as paranoid android, though.
Nathan
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Fuck, so did I
Hint: reply at the bottom
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Asdlaska
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Fake Plastic Trees
The simple things in life are often the best.
Jonathan McArthur
>>> My choice... Paranoid android
>> There is no best, only your favourite.
>
> The simple things in life are often the best.
Except for that song. ^_^
PrettyGirlonLI
bue
> Old Asdlaska, look at my life, I'm a lot like you were:
> >>> My choice... Paranoid android
> >> There is no best, only your favourite.
> > Fake Plastic Trees
> >
> > The simple things in life are often the best.
>
> Except for that song. ^_^
:-pp
Asdlaska
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:)
Someone has nerve bagging Fake Plastic in a radiohead forum. What kind of
radiohead forum is this? Radiohead for the alternative grungy Nirvana fan
or something. Or maybe radiohead for the musically inept.
Jonathan McArthur
>>>>>> My choice... Paranoid android
>>>>> There is no best, only your favourite.
>>>> Fake Plastic Trees
>>>>
>>>> The simple things in life are often the best.
>>> Except for that song. ^_^
>> :-pp
> :)
>
> Someone has nerve bagging Fake Plastic in a radiohead forum.
Care to back that up? Why is the song above questioning?
> What kind of radiohead forum is this? Radiohead for the alternative
> grungy Nirvana fan or something. Or maybe radiohead for the
> musically inept.
Ooh, that's just a bit petty, isn't it?
Asdlaska
Sorry John that does not compute :).
Asdlaska
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Actually i retract the second comment, it was out of order. Though I'll
still bag Nirvana if thats ok :).
Fake Plastic is above questioning because it is a piece of musical
perfection. Whereas Paranoid Android is just an interesting piece of music.
Its like comparing Metallica with Bach. One may seem cooler to listen to,
but its obvious which is better music.
Jonathan McArthur
> I'll still bag Nirvana if thats ok :).
There's nothing wrong with a bit of Nirvana.
> Fake Plastic is above questioning because it is a piece of musical
> perfection. Whereas Paranoid Android is just an interesting piece of
> music. Its like comparing Metallica with Bach. One may seem cooler
> to listen to, but its obvious which is better music.
"Fake Plastic Trees" is a boring, paint-by-numbers pop song with hardly
any dynamic variation apart from the distorted guitar between 2m:37s and
~3m:20s. And it's just the same trite chord progression, only louder!
Where's the "musical perfection" in that?
The lyrics, also, are spectacularly average. What the hell is "perfect"
about an awkward extended metaphor with a predictable change of focus
[from "her" to "me"] at the end?
So, right, in contrast I would argue that "Paranoid Android" is
'obviously' superior to "Fake Plastic Trees". The latter is an
uninteresting pop song, the former a successful pastiche of numerous
styles [one of which being a decending vocal arrangement which pays
overt homage to Bach's chorale work, which makes your Metallica vs. Bach
stance somewhat amusing] without the pomp or pretension of prog. "Fake
Plastic Trees" is tired and showing its age; it's an uninspired effort
from a band clearly yet to reach their creative peak. In the case of
"Paranoid Android", after almost seven years it retains its energy and
relevance as a powerful piece of songwriting.
Here's what "Paranoid Android" has to its credit: clever arrangements,
appropriate use of dissonance to establish a mood of 'paranoia', use of
climax prolongation [from the end of the first 7/8 section through the
following instrumental section], atypical structure, sophisticated use
of harmony [the chorale segment starting at 3m:34s] and excellent
production. These, applied with the consideration and taste evident in
the recording, add up to a song whose central concept ['paranoia',
essentially, reinforced by the aforementioned techniques -- particularly
the use of dissonance and unfamiliar (and stylistically varied --
'bipolar', if you like) structure] works incredibly well. I cannot
fathom why anyone would prefer the relative banality of "Fake Plastic
Trees".
And who thinks Metallica are "cool to listen to", really?
Asdlaska
At least you agree with me on Metalica :).
The genius takes complexity and creates simplicity. In the same way the
sophisticated person is not the one who uses long words and spouts
knowledge. The trying to be sophisticated person is the one who does that.
Paranoid Android is aurally inferior to Fake Plastic Trees reguardless of
its length, its key, its time signature, its lyrics, the fact its more
upbeat. There is no need to justify it by breaking it down. One of them as
a whole is genius. One is just a very good song. Take a few listens to
them both without making your mind up before you start.
Jonathan McArthur
>
> The genius takes complexity and creates simplicity.
Proof, please. I think that's a rather dangerous [not to mention
self-serving] definition of "genius".
In any case, "Fake Plastic Trees" does not suggest in any way that it is
pared-down genius. I have explained what I believe are its faults. You
have neglected to address them. Ball's in your court.
> In the same way the sophisticated person is not the one who uses long
> words and spouts knowledge. The trying to be sophisticated person is
> the one who does that.
Providing knowledge is unsophisticated? Using "long" words is
unsophisticated?
Do you realise how ridiculous this sounds? I share my thoughts and what
I know in order to aid understanding. Isn't that better than posting a
series of unsubstantiated claims, which as far as I can tell is all
you're prepared to post? And what's wrong with using my vocabulary as
best I can to get my point across exactly as I mean it, or to make my
writing more interesting? Would you rather I just use "genius" every
time I want a positive adjective?
> Paranoid Android is aurally inferior to Fake Plastic Trees
> reguardless of its length, its key, its time signature, its lyrics,
> the fact its more upbeat. There is no need to justify it by breaking
> it down. One of them as a whole is genius. One is just a very good
> song. Take a few listens to them both without making your mind up
> before you start.
You don't seem to understand. If you're going to make these claims, you
have to back them up somehow. Simply saying "I am right and you are
wrong!" isn't going to convince anybody unless you have some sort of
credentials to suggest that your opinions are educated and intelligent.
Do you?
Finally, what reason could you possibly have to believe that my thoughts
on these two songs are somehow based on prejudice? Especially after I
detailed my complaints about "Fake Plastic Trees" and went into depth
about why I think "Paranoid Android" is a superior song? You're the one
avoiding critical thought here, not me.
PeterH
> Karma police (for the moment!--changes often)
Try Climbing Up the Walls immediately followed by Lucky.
..PeterH
Asdlaska
If you want me to mathematically disassemble the two songs to show why i
could, but i really don't think its worth it. You either hear it or you
don't. The difference between the songs is one of them either of us
could've written given time, the other we most likely could not have. And
the one we could write is Paranoid Android. That is why i don't think
complexity counts here. But we all have our own opinions.
I think we've posted enough messages and neither of us is going to convince
the other anything.
Agree to disagree on this one?
Jonathan McArthur
> why i could, but i really don't think its worth it. You either hear
> it or you don't. The difference between the songs is one of them
> either of us could've written given time, the other we most likely
> could not have. And the one we could write is Paranoid Android.
> That is why i don't think complexity counts here. But we all have
> our own opinions.
FFS try *explaining* what I'm missing. I never asked you to pull the
songs apart [although that is a critical part of musical analysis, but
nevermind that], I asked you to back up your position *with evidence*.
> I think we've posted enough messages and neither of us is going to
> convince the other anything.
If you'd posted any evidence, maybe I would have been convinced. I guess
I'll never know. All you've provided is assertions, with no apparent
thought behind them. Now it seems like you're pulling the "If you don't
know, I'm not going to tell you" card, which is just sad.
> Agree to disagree on this one?
Hmph, whatever.
Asdlaska
Sorry, I might not be able to back it up with conclusive evidence, its a
piece of music, not something like computer where you can look at components
and then say this is good or not good. The only thing I have to go on are
my ears and same with you, you hear something in one song i hear something
in the other. I suppose its good that we can both like a band for different
reasons, its shows they are dynamic. Though an arguement is also fun :)
ReDeeMeR
Personal opinion, k.
skizziks
what a lame end to a hilarious thread.
Mikko Pihkoluoma
No.
The thing here is that the asshole relativist-humanist-dorky-face-cunt
states his subjective truth of the matter as gospel and then does NOTHING to
back his "Truth". To him his subjective truth is the Truth, and he's only
interested in serving his egoism by bringing his "important opinions" to the
public forum.
There are regular joes who think that what they know is good enough and
simplicity is straightforwardly beauty and genius. That's why a lot of them
prefer The Bends to anything else.
I'm not quite as structurally inclined about the matter as McArthur seems to
be... I don't really hate Fake Plastic Trees, and I do feel the beauty of
simplicity in that song. OTOH the claim that Paranoid Android is merely a
dull song with structure tactics that could be written by just about anyone
given enough time, is one of the most ridiculous claims I've ever heard.
--
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"It's impossible to look cool whilst picking up a Frisbee.
Driving through a tunnel makes you feel excited."
IMK
That was great.
Now let's argue about whether or not 'High and Dry' is better than 'The
National Anthem'.
Marc
> Fake Plastic Trees
>
> The simple things in life are often the best.
Agreed, even tho I don't think it's a simple song - it's their best.
Asdlaska
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I'm not a nieve lover of the Bends :), actually bends is third or fourth on
the favourites list, and that is still well above that wonderful pop album
OK Computer. I could argue again about Amnesiac if it makes you happier.
Asdlaska
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At least there is some sanity in this world. If you can explain it to a
Paranoid Android fan i would be very happy :)
James Q. Morrissey
> > >
> > > The simple things in life are often the best.
> >
> > Agreed, even tho I don't think it's a simple song - it's their best.
>
>
> At least there is some sanity in this world. If you can explain it to a
> Paranoid Android fan i would be very happy :)
i think it's funny that someone who doesn't get paranoid android would
accuse someone who does of not being able to get a much simpler song.
JQM
Marc
> i think it's funny that someone who doesn't get paranoid android would
> accuse someone who does of not being able to get a much simpler song.
I get paranoid android but "the spark that bled" is much better, and I
prefer Fake Plastic Trees because it's so alienating and distanced,
while paranoid android seems warm and cozy when compared.
Marc
Jonathan McArthur
<snip>
>>> If you want me to mathematically disassemble the two songs to show
>>> why i could, but i really don't think its worth it. You either hear
>>> it or you don't. The difference between the songs is one of them
>>> either of us could've written given time, the other we most likely
>>> could not have. And the one we could write is Paranoid Android.
>>> That is why i don't think complexity counts here. But we all have
>>> our own opinions.
>>
>> FFS try *explaining* what I'm missing. I never asked you to pull the
>> songs apart [although that is a critical part of musical analysis,
>> but nevermind that], I asked you to back up your position *with
>> evidence*.
>>
>>> I think we've posted enough messages and neither of us is going to
>>> convince the other anything.
>>
>> If you'd posted any evidence, maybe I would have been convinced. I
>> guess I'll never know. All you've provided is assertions, with no
>> apparent thought behind them. Now it seems like you're pulling the
>> "If you don't know, I'm not going to tell you" card, which is just
>> sad.
>>
>>> Agree to disagree on this one?
>> Hmph, whatever.
> Personal opinion, k.
Not when it's presented as an objective fact. Remember, "Fake Plastic
Trees" is *OBVIOUSLY* better than "Paranoid Android". He just doesn't
want to explain why.
Jonathan McArthur
> Sorry, I might not be able to back it up with conclusive evidence,
> its a piece of music, not something like computer where you can look
> at components and then say this is good or not good. The only thing
> I have to go on are my ears and same with you, you hear something in
> one song i hear something in the other. I suppose its good that we
> can both like a band for different reasons, its shows they are
> dynamic. Though an arguement is also fun :)
If you can't back it up with conclusive evidence, you shouldn't go
around presenting your claim as fact.
BTW, you have more to go on than your ears. Think about it.
Jonathan McArthur
THANK YOU.
Jonathan McArthur
Are you a real person?
Asdlaska
Let me put another comparison, say for example compare Yesterday and Hey Ya.
Listen to both it is obvious Hey Ya is a nice catchy jingle that will be
around for a while then forgotten, whereas Yesterday though i don't
personally think its the beatles best is clearly the better song. Yesterday
involves few instruments and very few changes in the type of music
throughout. Hey Ya on the other hand covers many genres in the one song.
The concept can't be that hard to understand. All you have to do is listen
to the music and you can tell. But if i pulled both apart and went on about
time and changes of key and whatever you could say there was a lot more to
Hey Ya. Personally I think Hey Ya is nothing special, though its nicer than
some of the other garbage. Whereas yesterday is genius. A guy took a
guitar and some lyrics and got it just right. Its the same with Fake
Plastic Trees. Though you see no appeal in the lyrics because you read the
song as lyrics and music. It is the way the two compliment eachother
perfectly to make the final product that makes it brillient.
Marc
> Old Marc, look at my life, I'm a lot like you were:
>
>>>i think it's funny that someone who doesn't get paranoid android
>>>would accuse someone who does of not being able to get a much
>>>simpler song.
>>
>>I get paranoid android but "the spark that bled" is much better, and I
>>prefer Fake Plastic Trees because it's so alienating and distanced,
>>while paranoid android seems warm and cozy when compared.
>
>
> Are you a real person?
I think so... i look real here:
http://www.imarc.co.uk/i/img/coll/web-Pages/Image2.html
skizziks
>
> Let me put another comparison, say for example compare Yesterday and Hey
Ya.
> Listen to both it is obvious Hey Ya is a nice catchy jingle that will be
> around for a while then forgotten, whereas Yesterday though i don't
> personally think its the beatles best is clearly the better song.
Yesterday
> involves few instruments and very few changes in the type of music
> throughout. Hey Ya on the other hand covers many genres in the one song.
> The concept can't be that hard to understand. All you have to do is
listen
> to the music and you can tell. But if i pulled both apart and went on
about
> time and changes of key and whatever you could say there was a lot more to
> Hey Ya. Personally I think Hey Ya is nothing special, though its nicer
than
> some of the other garbage. Whereas yesterday is genius. A guy took a
> guitar and some lyrics and got it just right. Its the same with Fake
> Plastic Trees. Though you see no appeal in the lyrics because you read
the
> song as lyrics and music. It is the way the two compliment eachother
> perfectly to make the final product that makes it brillient.
>
>
drivel
James Q. Morrissey
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The simple things in life are often the best.
> > >>> Agreed, even tho I don't think it's a simple song - it's their best.
> > >> At least there is some sanity in this world. If you can explain it
> > >> to a Paranoid Android fan i would be very happy :)
> > > i think it's funny that someone who doesn't get paranoid android would
> > > accuse someone who does of not being able to get a much simpler song.
> >
> > THANK YOU.
> >
> > --
> > Jonathan McArthur
> > http://sleepydemons.blogspot.com/
> > "Eating and drinking make you feel happy, and bribes can buy everything
> > you need." -- Ecclesiastes 10:19 [C.E.V.]
> >
> >
>
> Let me put another comparison, say for example compare Yesterday and Hey
Ya.
actually i think we'd like to hear you do fake plastic trees and paranoid
android, having kicked up such a fuss about it. BTW, end this whenever you
like by admitting that thinking fake plastic trees is better is just your
opinion and that from a critical standpoint, paranoid android is certainly
more accomplished.
JQM
Jonathan McArthur
> Let me put another comparison, say for example compare Yesterday and
> Hey Ya. Listen to both it is obvious Hey Ya is a nice catchy jingle
> that will be around for a while then forgotten, whereas Yesterday
> though i don't personally think its the beatles best is clearly the
> better song. Yesterday involves few instruments and very few changes
> in the type of music throughout. Hey Ya on the other hand covers
> many genres in the one song. The concept can't be that hard to
> understand. All you have to do is listen to the music and you can
> tell. But if i pulled both apart and went on about time and changes
> of key and whatever you could say there was a lot more to Hey Ya.
> Personally I think Hey Ya is nothing special, though its nicer than
> some of the other garbage. Whereas yesterday is genius. A guy took
> a guitar and some lyrics and got it just right. Its the same with
> Fake Plastic Trees. Though you see no appeal in the lyrics because
> you read the song as lyrics and music. It is the way the two
> compliment eachother perfectly to make the final product that makes
> it brillient.
"Hey Ya!" is harmonically simple and unchallenging [and therefore
largely uninteresting after several listens]. The lyrics are nothing
special, either.
"Yesterday", on the other hand, ... This isn't as simple a song as you
seem to think. Someone else has already explained it better:
http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/AWP/y.html
I also remind you that I never claimed that "Paranoid Android" was
notable only for its textural variety. Read over what I wrote again.
Did you completely ignore the post where I explained my reasons for
preferring "Paranoid Android"? One of the points I made was that the
music reflects and intensifies the lyrical theme of paranoia via use of
dissonance and textural diversity. I am far from oblivious to this
technique -- when did I say that lyrics and music should be viewed
separately? In the case of "Fake Plastic Trees", you have some ordinary
lyrics over the top of some ordinary music. Sure, they go together, but
that doesn't make the song brilliant; it just reinforces how goddamn
*ordinary* it is.
Jonathan McArthur
And you think "Fake Plastic Trees" is more alienating and distanced than
"Paranoid Android"? Wow.
bue
> technique -- when did I say that lyrics and music should be viewed
> separately? In the case of "Fake Plastic Trees", you have some ordinary
> lyrics over the top of some ordinary music. Sure, they go together, but
> that doesn't make the song brilliant; it just reinforces how goddamn
> *ordinary* it is.
sorry, but to *my* ears, FPT music is everything but just "ordinary" :-)
don't have a proof unfortunately :-)
bue
>
> And you think "Fake Plastic Trees" is more alienating and distanced than
> "Paranoid Android"? Wow.
>
actually in some way, I think that too :-)
and me too was never that much into paranoid android as into fake plastic
trees
I do think that paranoid android is among their best 5 songs in terms of
quality,
but fake plastic trees is just.. somewhere closer to the heart :-)
I won't try to prove anything, please don't be mad at me :-)
P.S. I am a real person too, can scan a photo if necessary
Asdlaska
I think your wrong about the when i can end this bit. All it takes is for
me not to post a reply. I really don't mind if you win the arguement,
because Paranoid Android in itself is near my least favourite radiohead
song. If you think it is critically better, thats your opinion, and you
will probably be supported by some music critics. I just think like them,
you have a set view of what something is meant to be and you can't change
it. Paranoid Android fits that view, hence you like it. But really
changing that is not my problem and probably not worth the calories I waste
by pushing each key.
Jonathan McArthur
>> largely uninteresting after several listens]. The lyrics are nothing
>> special, either.
>>
>> "Yesterday", on the other hand, ... This isn't as simple a song as
>> you seem to think. Someone else has already explained it better:
>> http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/AWP/y.html
>>
>> I also remind you that I never claimed that "Paranoid Android" was
>> notable only for its textural variety. Read over what I wrote again.
>>
>> Did you completely ignore the post where I explained my reasons for
>> preferring "Paranoid Android"? One of the points I made was that the
>> music reflects and intensifies the lyrical theme of paranoia via use
>> of dissonance and textural diversity. I am far from oblivious to this
>> technique -- when did I say that lyrics and music should be viewed
>> separately? In the case of "Fake Plastic Trees", you have some
>> ordinary lyrics over the top of some ordinary music. Sure, they go
>> together, but that doesn't make the song brilliant; it just
>> reinforces how goddamn *ordinary* it is.
> is for me not to post a reply.
What on earth are you talking about? Why don't you try responding to the
content of my messages instead of figments of your imagination?
> I really don't mind if you win the
> arguement, because Paranoid Android in itself is near my least
> favourite radiohead song. If you think it is critically better,
> thats your opinion, and you will probably be supported by some music
> critics. I just think like them, you have a set view of what
> something is meant to be and you can't change it. Paranoid Android
> fits that view, hence you like it. But really changing that is not
> my problem and probably not worth the calories I waste by pushing
> each key.
The difference here is that you can't just dismiss it as 'opinion'. You
have claimed that "Fake Plastic Trees" is empirically superior to
"Paranoid Android". You have not posted one iota of evidence to support
this claim. When I provide a counterargument, supplying some rudimentary
analysis in keeping with accepted musicological practices, you first of
all reject my statements as somehow missing the point [without really
explaining *how* I'm missing the point], then go back to making broad
assertions that you never substantiate. You're obviously forming
conclusions in your mind, so why can't/won't you explain how you arrive
at them? What makes you think that I have a 'set view of what something
is meant to be'? Do you know anything of my tastes other than my
preference for a couple of songs over a couple of others?
You seem to think there's some magical, intangible 'X factor' that makes
"Fake Plastic Trees" a great song. I do not accept that such a thing
exists -- why should I? Where's the evidence? -- and you have done
nothing to sway me. Centuries of theory and research have gone into the
study of musical analysis, and you expect me to cast all I know of it
aside as 'opinion' [for the sake of your convenience!] and accept that
you're right and I simply don't 'get' "Fake Plastic Trees"? Seriously,
you're beginning to sound a bit like a creation scientist.
Do what you should have done already and either retract your statement
that "Fake Plastic Trees" is 'obviously' superior to "Paranoid Android"
[since insisting that it's down to opinion obviously contradicts said
statement and makes you look rather hypocritical], or admit that you
have no evidential basis upon which to support your stance and back
down.
Asdlaska
I already said i have no evidence in the break down of them. That was never
an issue. I'm not really a creation scientist. Its just a man of science
is a poor philosopher. If you look at it purely scientifically you'll only
find what you already know and if you progress in knowledge you'll only make
small steps up on top of what you know. Whereas to view things without a
predetermined notion allows you too see them for what they are then link
them back to try to find how they fit with what you already know and hence
alter your view if it was wrong. Theories have exceptions, whereas
experience you can usually rely on. A creation scientist would be more the
person who says this is how the bible says it was 2000 years ago it must be
the same now. Its a myth that its all been found and all been done. They
didn't play jazz in the 16th century. They didn't write huge amounts of
guitar music or at least not for popular consuption in the places where the
great musical scholars were. The reason I was so sure "Fake Plastic Trees"
is better is because i've always felt in the musical scheme of things
"Paranoid Android" is garbage and its something for the simple minded to
glare at and say, hey look genius, then try to justify it. But you might
have good grounds for once so sorry if i misjudged your basis for liking it.
I just thought you seemed a bit rigid and logical and objective rather that
someone who actually liked and enjoyed a piece of music.
skizziks
you are wrong, and anyway it is utterly obvious due to the obvious
superiority of "in limbo" that it ("in limbo") is superior to "paranoid
android" and "fake plastic trees".
skizziks
>
> I already said i have no evidence in the break down of them. That was
never
> an issue. I'm not really a creation scientist. Its just a man of science
> is a poor philosopher.
rubbish
> If you look at it purely scientifically you'll only
> find what you already know and if you progress in knowledge you'll only
make
> small steps up on top of what you know.
rubbish
> Whereas to view things without a
> predetermined notion allows you too see them for what they are then link
> them back to try to find how they fit with what you already know and hence
> alter your view if it was wrong.
rubbish
> Theories have exceptions, whereas
> experience you can usually rely on.
rubbish
> A creation scientist would be more the
> person who says this is how the bible says it was 2000 years ago it must
be
> the same now. Its a myth that its all been found and all been done. They
> didn't play jazz in the 16th century. They didn't write huge amounts of
> guitar music or at least not for popular consuption in the places where
the
> great musical scholars were.
so what?
> The reason I was so sure "Fake Plastic Trees"
> is better is because i've always felt in the musical scheme of things
> "Paranoid Android" is garbage and its something for the simple minded to
> glare at and say, hey look genius, then try to justify it.
rubbish
> But you might
> have good grounds for once so sorry if i misjudged your basis for liking
it.
> I just thought you seemed a bit rigid and logical and objective rather
that
> someone who actually liked and enjoyed a piece of music.
>
>
i love you, please post more