Freddie box set mistakes/omissions

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Mike May

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Jan 2, 2001, 2:43:40 AM1/2/01
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I didn't have the box set when the last thread like this came up, so I had
nothing to contribute, but now that I've gotten it for Christmas...

So far, I've noticed one or two specific mistakes in the text of the book, and
I've also recognized some additional tracks left out of the set that they make
no mention of. I'll try to cover them all.

Living On My Own - Dub Mix
Living On My Own - L.A. Mix
Living On My Own - Techno Mix
These 3 are mentioned in the book as specifically not included in the set.
The first two can be found on a 1993 12" single, and the third can be found on
later copies of the US 'The Great Pretender' album. Why it was not included in
that album in the box set is beyond me!

Mr. Bad Guy
This version from the UK 'The Freddie Mercury Album' is not included. The
book mistakenly states that The Freddie Mercury Album and The Great Pretender
both include the same version of this track. This is *not* correct. The version
on The Freddie Mercury Album contains noticeably more of the original 1985
orchestration.

Time - Reprise
Time - Radio Mix
Barcelona - TV Edit
Exercises In Free Love - Caballe Vocal
Living On My Own - Alternate Extended Version
These tracks are neither included in the box set, nor even mentioned. The
first is from the Time musical soundtrack. The second is from a 1993 US promo
CD. The third and fourth tracks are from a 1992 UK CD single of Barcelona. The
last one on the list was a version only released in Brazil, on a 1985 12"
single.

The Fallen Priest - Single Version
The Golden Boy - Single Version
The Golden Boy - Edited Version
The Golden Boy - Radio Edit
These are also AWOL from the set and unmentioned. Details on these can be
found here: http://www.pemcom.demon.co.uk/jason/songs/freddie/bar.htm

That's 13 tracks not included on this so-called 'complete' collection. Not that
I'm complaining! I know the book says that including so many versions of the
same song is absurd, but frankly, only the absurd is good enough for the
completist! ;-)

Does anyone know of other tracks that are not included in the set? I'm talking
about released stuff here, not things like crude live tracks which are simply
of a quality too poor to be included.

Mike


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Niall McIlroy

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Jan 2, 2001, 3:43:38 AM1/2/01
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Yeah, isn't 'Rotwang's Party' a Freddie instrumental from the German movie
'Zazou'? I have heard it, it goes for about 2m30secs and I think it's one
of Freddie's.
Niall
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E.J. Farr

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Jan 2, 2001, 8:04:12 AM1/2/01
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I have a copy of the "Love Kills" 7 inch single from 1984, on which
"Rotwang's Party (Robot Dance)" is a B-side. The record does clearly state,
however, that it is the work of Giorgio Moroder and has nothing to do with
Freddie outside of the fact that it backs "Love Kills". Side note, both
songs were written for the movie Metropolis and "Love Kills" was
co-written/co-produced my Moroder.

E.J.

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Niall McIlroy

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Jan 2, 2001, 1:15:27 PM1/2/01
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Thanks for the info, it's one that I've always wondered about. Can anyone
think of any other omissions? Niall
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Colin Cerexhe

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Jan 2, 2001, 1:54:49 PM1/2/01
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I've noticed that a load of versions of Love Me like There's No Tomorrow are
absent.
For example, one of the versions said "This was among many versions recorded
that day"

I think the day was June 1 1984, but I might be wrong, cos I am only doing
this from memory. I think It's the second track of Love Me.... on Rarities 1

Colin (the occasional poster, and geordie)


George

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Jan 2, 2001, 3:55:06 PM1/2/01
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I think you respond to my post from 04/11/2000. I wrote:

--------------------------------------

First I'd like to say that I love the solo collection, it is an amazing
piece of work. Being a collector for years I came up with these versions of
Freddie's songs that do not feature on the solo collection:

Trackname-version info-track time album name-year-albumtype

Barcelona-TV edit-1:20 Barcelona-1987-CD single

**normal cd-single has this short version

Living on my own-Single mix-3:03 Living on my own-1985-12" single

**also the 7" version

Living on my own-L.A. Mix-3:40 Living on my own-1993-CD single
Living on my own-techno mix-3:49 The great pretender-1992-CD
Living on my own-Roger S mix-5:46 Remixes -1993-CD

**confusing set of mixes but apparently not on the solo-collection (this is
also stated in the book, but different than stated in the book these are
released on CD)

Living on my own-Extended mix-6:41 Living on my own-1985-12" single

**from the south-american 12", not the UK 12"

Love Kills-Wolf Euro Mix 3:25 Remixes-1993-CD
Love kills-Remix by Richard Wolf / Mixed by Arthur Payson-3:26 Love
kills-1992-CD single(promo)
Love kills-Wolf euro version-3:27 In my defence-1992-2-CD single

**these three are the same versions basically, not on the solo collection?

Love kills-Original Wolf mix-3:29 In my defence-1992-2-CD single

**also frome the 'In my defence' double pack

Love Kills-12" Mix Re-edit-5:17 A Tribute To Freddie
Mercury-1992-CD(bootleg)

**from a bootleg, does anyone know if this track has been available on other
formats?

Made in heaven-Remix-3:59 Made in Heaven-1985-12" single

**not on solo collection, also on the 7".

The golden boy-Special Radio Edition-3:30 The golden boy-1988-promo single

**Radio edition from a promo, I think cut-up by the record company??

Again, this is not intended to criticize the work done on the Solo
Collection, but as a collector of FM/Queen records I am interested in these
things and probably others in this forum as well.

Anyone have any corrections/additions?

George

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P or J Mills

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Jan 2, 2001, 3:37:24 PM1/2/01
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"Mike May" <prop...@aol.comPOSTHEAP> wrote in message >

<snip>

> That's 13 tracks not included on this so-called 'complete' collection.

Why "So called" complete? I have not seen any claim that it is complete by
anybody connected with this set, Mike.

As long as the omitted re-mixes do not contain different recordings by
Freddie I am not too bothered. I don't think that shortened versions are any
loss either ; after all, there is nothing 'extra' on them that you will not
find on the full version. They are edited down for commercial rather than
artistic reasons.

> Not that
> I'm complaining! I know the book says that including so many versions of
the
> same song is absurd, but frankly, only the absurd is good enough for the
> completist! ;-)

> Does anyone know of other tracks that are not included in the set? I'm
talking
> about released stuff here, not things like crude live tracks which are
simply
> of a quality too poor to be included.
>
> Mike


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Susan Stansfield

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Jan 4, 2001, 10:05:28 AM1/4/01
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In article <t54ikv9...@corp.supernews.com>, "P or J Mills"
<p.mi...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote:

>As long as the omitted re-mixes do not contain different recordings by
>Freddie I am not too bothered. I don't think that shortened versions are
>any
>loss either ; after all, there is nothing 'extra' on them that you will
>not
>find on the full version. They are edited down for commercial rather than
>artistic reasons.

Ditto post here.

Susan

Anders Hedberg

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Jan 4, 2001, 12:03:08 PM1/4/01
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The bonus disc included in the "Freddie Mercury Solo" package (Mr Bad
Guy + Barcelona + bonus disc) has "In my defence [2000 remix]" and
"Time [2000 remix]" on it. These versions are not in the box set.
The booklet says they were remixed by Dave Clark in May/June 2000 while
working on the surround sound mixes for the videos on the box set DVD.

/ Anders

Mike May

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Jan 4, 2001, 11:33:53 PM1/4/01
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In article <t54ikv9...@corp.supernews.com>, "P or J Mills"
<p.mi...@cableinet.co.uk> writes:

>"Mike May" <prop...@aol.comPOSTHEAP> wrote in message >
>
><snip>
>
>> That's 13 tracks not included on this so-called 'complete' collection.
>
>Why "So called" complete? I have not seen any claim that it is complete by
>anybody connected with this set, Mike.

'So-called' by a lot of people. The whole time it was in progress, there were a
lot of unofficial comments floating about that it had everything Freddie ever
released. I don't know if the claim was ever made in any official release or on
the fan club pages (and frankly it isn't important enough to go slogging
through several months of news archives loking), but that wasn't what I was
intending to convey, either. I know they don't claim it to be complete in the
documentation of the set. But it has been called that, here and on QMS at the
very least.

>As long as the omitted re-mixes do not contain different recordings by
>Freddie I am not too bothered. I don't think that shortened versions are any
>loss either ; after all, there is nothing 'extra' on them that you will not
>find on the full version. They are edited down for commercial rather than
>artistic reasons.

And that's fine. I'm not particularly bothered, only slightly annoyed. It would
have been so easy to just include everything, while they were doing it. Still,
it's only a tiny fraction of fans - completists like me - who are left wanting
more. Luckily I already have most of the missing tracks on their original
releases. :-)

Mike May

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Jan 4, 2001, 11:33:54 PM1/4/01
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In article <92tfbe$6rh0$1...@reader04.wxs.nl>, "George" <utreg*no-spam*@tref.nl>
writes:

>Living on my own-L.A. Mix-3:40 Living on my own-1993-CD single
>Living on my own-techno mix-3:49 The great pretender-1992-CD
>Living on my own-Roger S mix-5:46 Remixes -1993-CD

Roger S Mix is the same as the Underground Solutions Mix, so it's in the set.

>Living on my own-Extended mix-6:41 Living on my own-1985-12" single
>
>**from the south-american 12", not the UK 12"

That's the South American one I mentioned.

>Love Kills-Wolf Euro Mix 3:25 Remixes-1993-CD
>Love kills-Remix by Richard Wolf / Mixed by Arthur Payson-3:26 Love
>kills-1992-CD single(promo)
>Love kills-Wolf euro version-3:27 In my defence-1992-2-CD single

Wolf Euro Mix and Wolf Euro Version are undoubtedly the same track. The middle
one there is the original Wolf mix, which is on The Great Pretender. So, 1 more
track missing from the set.

>Love kills-Original Wolf mix-3:29 In my defence-1992-2-CD single

Same as middle one from above.

>Love Kills-12" Mix Re-edit-5:17 A Tribute To Freddie
>Mercury-1992-CD(bootleg)

Same as the regular 12" mix - probably just a renaming trick by the
bootleggers.

>Made in heaven-Remix-3:59 Made in Heaven-1985-12" single

From the Argentine single. I think you've got another one, there. :-)

>The golden boy-Special Radio Edition-3:30 The golden boy-1988-promo single

That's the radio edit I mentioned.


So, to recap (listed roughly by year):

Made In Heaven - 7" Remix
Living On My Own - alternate Extended Version


Time - Reprise
Time - Radio Mix

The Fallen Priest - Single Version
The Golden Boy - Single Version
The Golden Boy - Edited Version
The Golden Boy - Radio Edit

Barcelona - TV Edit
Exercises In Free Love - Caballe Vocal

Mr. Bad Guy - The FM Album mix
Love Kills - Wolf Euro Mix


Living On My Own - Dub Mix
Living On My Own - L.A. Mix
Living On My Own - Techno Mix

That's 15, not including rumored/demo/unreleased tracks such as those mentioned
by VVP, Colin & Anders.

da...@zip-i-t.co.uk

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Jan 5, 2001, 10:56:10 AM1/5/01
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In article <20010104233354...@nso-md.aol.com>,

There's also the Album version of Billy Squier's Love is a Hero.


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Alan Bell

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Jan 5, 2001, 6:21:28 PM1/5/01
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You can stick as many remixes on as you want to the Freddie Box Set. The
vast majority of them were utter drivel and absolutely NOTHING to do with
Freddie. The only addition I would have liked to have was the last Freddie
performance at the Time production. I cant believe that no-one recorded a
decent version of it.

Most of the stuff listed as "should be on box-set" was done by guys in
studio after Freddie was dead. Does that mean every fan mix of LOMO should
be on it? I get really pissed off at people having a pop at this release.
You called for it for many years, it arrives, and you have a go. Where is
the motivation to release a Queen boxset with this kinda reaction.


Mike May

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Jan 5, 2001, 10:50:12 PM1/5/01
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In article <934qqm$ltd$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, da...@zip-i-t.co.uk writes:

>There's also the Album version of Billy Squier's Love is a Hero.

Thank you! That makes 16 tracks.

Mike May

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Jan 5, 2001, 10:50:13 PM1/5/01
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In article <YFs56.8603$0x5.5...@news3.cableinet.net>, "Alan Bell"
<a.be...@cableinet.co.uk> writes:

>You can stick as many remixes on as you want to the Freddie Box Set. The
>vast majority of them were utter drivel and absolutely NOTHING to do with
>Freddie.

The same can be said for a lot of stuff that actually made it onto the set, but
there it is. If they're going to be inclusive of it, might as well be
all-inclusive.

The only addition I would have liked to have was the last Freddie
>performance at the Time production. I cant believe that no-one recorded a
>decent version of it.

Sad but true. The only people in a position to make a good recording were the
people that ran the production, and if they had no intention of ever releasing
something like that, I can easily believe how they would have just skipped all
the expense and trouble. The audience recording might have been somewhat decent
were it not for the idiotic screaming girls in close proximity to the recorder.
:-(


>Most of the stuff listed as "should be on box-set" was done by guys in
>studio after Freddie was dead. Does that mean every fan mix of LOMO should
>be on it? I get really pissed off at people having a pop at this release.
>You called for it for many years, it arrives, and you have a go. Where is
>the motivation to release a Queen boxset with this kinda reaction.

Did you even read my first post? I'm trying to get an accounting of what's
missing, not dis the set. I like the set. I'm happy to have it. That doesn't
mean I should pretend it's perfect. It isn't, nor can it be for every fan. To
build up a simple listing of what's not there is my intention. I can do this
without deeming the box set somehow bad or not worthy of purchase. If you
can't, that is not my problem.

Karissa Thomas

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Jan 6, 2001, 10:40:59 AM1/6/01
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How about Billy Squier, Freddie and Rog on 'Emotions in Motion'??

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Mephisto

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Jan 6, 2001, 4:17:39 PM1/6/01
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George <utreg*no-spam*@tref.nl> wrote in message
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> I think you respond to my post from 04/11/2000. I wrote:
>

[SNIP for the love of Heaven, SNIP!!!]

Now go back and re-read your post. Then - print it off, and go up to
someone in the street and explain why you spent so long typing it out.

Watch as they try to avoid eye-contact, and slowly move towards their mobile
phone, so they can call the men in white coats to come and take you away.
Y'see, in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really matter how many
versions are on there, does it?

Ten CDs and two DVDs is enough really, isn't it? Are we getting that stuck
for stuff to post that we're having to resort to this....?


George

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Jan 6, 2001, 3:27:07 PM1/6/01
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Please someone tell me that this is not true! I bought the complete Solo
Collection and was under the impression that the 3-cd set would not have
anything new on it! I am a 'completist', I just like to have all available
versions, not necessarily all formats. Does that mean I should buy the 3-cd
set as well?

George

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George

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Jan 6, 2001, 4:23:18 PM1/6/01
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Mike,

You forgot the 3:03 (orig. 1985) single mix Living On My Own; this is
surprisingly not on the Solo Collection.

A few questions;

Living on my own - dub mix, on which album does this feature?
Time (reprise) - you mean that little snippet on the 2LP from Dave Clark?
There is also the '2000 mixes' from 'In my defence' and 'Time' which are
allegedly only on the 3-cd version of the solo set; do you know if this is
true?

Furthermore I'd like to state again that I do love the Solo Collection and
that by no means this should be seen as criticism. I don't think there is
harm in trying to get clear what is needed to have all Freddie's released
solo-work.

If someone has the 'Dub Mix' from 'Living on my own' and wishes to part from
it.....

George

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George

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Jan 6, 2001, 8:12:10 PM1/6/01
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OK, I understand that some evil force is forcing you to read all that is
being posted here! That must be a real problem for you is it not? If a
discussion does not interest me I choose for the option 'mark discussion as
read'! Give it a try, it'll save you some time!

I re-read my post like you suggested and may I quote : "Again, this is


not intended to criticize the work done on the Solo Collection, but as a
collector of FM/Queen records I am interested in these things and probably
others in this forum as well."

You say that in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really matter how
many versions are on there. Oh boy do I agree, in the grand scheme of things
(world peace etc.) the music of one band does not matter at all! In that
perspective you can also ask why they bothered to put out a Solo Collection
because in the grand scheme of things....

Ten CD's and two DVD's do please me but why is it considered a crime to
investigate what other versions/songs are out there to collect! I really
can't see what the harm is in that.

George


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Mike May

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Jan 7, 2001, 3:25:59 AM1/7/01
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In article <9382h3$cdq4$2...@reader04.wxs.nl>, "George" <utreg*no-spam*@tref.nl>
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>Mike,
>
>You forgot the 3:03 (orig. 1985) single mix Living On My Own; this is
>surprisingly not on the Solo Collection.

OK, thanks.
Actually, I think this is the same as the video version, so it *is* on the set,
albeit only on the videos DVD.

>A few questions;
>
>Living on my own - dub mix, on which album does this feature?

This is from a 1993 single, same place as the L.A. Mix.

>Time (reprise) - you mean that little snippet on the 2LP from Dave Clark?

Yes, that's the one.

>There is also the '2000 mixes' from 'In my defence' and 'Time' which are
>allegedly only on the 3-cd version of the solo set; do you know if this is
>true?

I don't know about that one.

P or J Mills

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Jan 7, 2001, 6:12:34 AM1/7/01
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> "Mike May" <prop...@aol.comPOSTHEAP> wrote in message

> 'So-called' by a lot of people. The whole time it was in progress, there


were a
> lot of unofficial comments floating about that it had everything Freddie
ever
> released. I don't know if the claim was ever made in any official release
or on
> the fan club pages (and frankly it isn't important enough to go slogging
> through several months of news archives loking), but that wasn't what I
was
> intending to convey, either. I know they don't claim it to be complete in
the
> documentation of the set. But it has been called that, here and on QMS at
the
> very least.

Well, we all now know better.

> >As long as the omitted re-mixes do not contain different recordings by
> >Freddie I am not too bothered. I don't think that shortened versions are
any
> >loss either ; after all, there is nothing 'extra' on them that you will
not
> >find on the full version. They are edited down for commercial rather than
> >artistic reasons.

> And that's fine. I'm not particularly bothered, only slightly annoyed. It
would
> have been so easy to just include everything, while they were doing it.
Still,
> it's only a tiny fraction of fans - completists like me - who are left
wanting
> more. Luckily I already have most of the missing tracks on their original
> releases. :-)

I do not think there are any missing tracks, Mike. Only dull variants of
included tracks. If there is an omission in the set, perhaps it is in the
text. Greg could have individually listed all the minutia and obscura of
official releases and then given his reasoning why each one was not worthy
of inclusion.

That might have appeased the anorak fraternity, but somehow I doubt it !:-)


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Alan Bell

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Jan 7, 2001, 2:09:50 PM1/7/01
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Jeez, this thread is getting sadder by the minute. For Christ's sake,
remixes have NO place ona Freddie boxset. He wasnt alive to hear them,
authorise them or approve of them. They are not part of Freddies catalogue.
If they were meant to be part, then I suggest we all download everything off
www.floss.co.uk cos his mixes are much better than the crap other "DJ's"
have produced.

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Stephen Strahan

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Jan 8, 2001, 1:54:15 AM1/8/01
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Heya Niall :)

Long time no hear! Hows things? Email me!! Id love to catch up for coffee or
something sometime soon, cos Im on vacation.
As for "Rotwangs Party", nope.. its not a Freddie track at all, just the b-side
of "Love Kills"
Steve

JTatum5655

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Jan 8, 2001, 3:47:33 AM1/8/01
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There could be a box set of just Living on My Own remixes, so I am happy many
were left out. I have some of the forgotten ones on a US 12" single
anyway....the LA mix is my fav. I think there is plenty of stuff on the
box......complete or not.....we don't want to have to pay more for the set than
we already did. I'm just happy to have the solo videos in a non bootleg form
for once....in NTSC.
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