Anyone read the "Freddie Mercury" by Peter Freestone?
evil...@my-deja.com
I found some of it quite interesting such as all the details of Freddie
meeting Michael Jackson, the recording process of the "Barcelona" album,
Freddie meeting Dustin Hoffman, etc.
What I didn't really care for was the intensely detailed (and I mean
DETAILED, nothing was missed) accounts of Freddie's house (though it sure
seemed as if Freddie had inredible taste in art) and what he liked to eat.
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Before you buy.
Sue
evil...@my-deja.com wrote :
>If so, reply so we can discuss.
>
>I found some of it quite interesting such as all the details of
>Freddie meeting Michael Jackson, the recording process of the
>"Barcelona" album, Freddie meeting Dustin Hoffman, etc.
Yes, I've got a copy. The first edition was called 'Mr Mercury'.
I agree with you Michael, it's an interesting read. Plenty of info
about touring and video making etc as well as lots about everyday life
in the Mercury household. The main thing I remember about it was
thinking that you got a much better sense of what Freddie was like as
a real person, as opposed to the public image, than you got from Jim
Hutton's book. I can't imagine that anyone else (and I'd include Mary
A in that) really knew Freddie quite as well as Peter did after so
many years looking after him. It's good to know Freddie had caring,
loyal friends like this he could rely on right up to the end.
>What I didn't really care for was the intensely detailed (and I mean
>DETAILED, nothing was missed) accounts of Freddie's house (though it
>sure seemed as if Freddie had inredible taste in art) and what he
>liked to eat.
It was all described in minute detail wasn't it? :-)
I quite liked all that. It's the closest we're ever likely to get to a
tour round Garden Lodge. I thought it also showed how much Phoebe
loved the place, after all it was his home too for several years. It
made it harder than ever to understand why he, Jim and Joe should have
been given such short notice and unfriendly treatment when they were
asked to leave.
Sue
Adrian Francis
that Freddie left Garden Lodge to them.
Matthew
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evil...@my-deja.com
"Sue" <s...@svnseas.globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> evil...@my-deja.com wrote :
> >If so, reply so we can discuss.
> >
> >I found some of it quite interesting such as all the details of
> >Freddie meeting Michael Jackson, the recording process of the
> >"Barcelona" album, Freddie meeting Dustin Hoffman, etc.
>
> Yes, I've got a copy. The first edition was called 'Mr Mercury'.
>
> I agree with you Michael, it's an interesting read. Plenty of info
> about touring and video making etc as well as lots about everyday life
> in the Mercury household. The main thing I remember about it was
> thinking that you got a much better sense of what Freddie was like as
> a real person, as opposed to the public image, than you got from Jim
> Hutton's book. I can't imagine that anyone else (and I'd include Mary
> A in that) really knew Freddie quite as well as Peter did after so
> many years looking after him. It's good to know Freddie had caring,
> loyal friends like this he could rely on right up to the end.
>
yeah, i must say i found a new respect for him as well as a touch of sadness.
(the whole needing conflict in his life bit)
i found his "star meetings" with michael jackson and the process of album
recording more interesting.
it was also funny to read (and maybe i misread it) that Queen didn't do a lot
of social stuff together. it was mainly "just business".
> >What I didn't really care for was the intensely detailed (and I mean
> >DETAILED, nothing was missed) accounts of Freddie's house (though it
> >sure seemed as if Freddie had inredible taste in art) and what he
> >liked to eat.
>
> It was all described in minute detail wasn't it? :-)
> I quite liked all that. It's the closest we're ever likely to get to a
> tour round Garden Lodge. I thought it also showed how much Phoebe
> loved the place, after all it was his home too for several years. It
> made it harder than ever to understand why he, Jim and Joe should have
> been given such short notice and unfriendly treatment when they were
> asked to leave.
>
> Sue
>
>
well my gut feeling is Mary doesn't/didn't like gay people. perhaps she
feels it destroyed freddie (AIDS) and took him away from her? now that is one
HUGE guess.
evil...@my-deja.com
"Adrian Francis" <adrian....@cableinet.co.uk> wrote:
> They shouldn't have been asked to leave, in my opinion. And I'm sure I read
> that Freddie left Garden Lodge to them.
>
> Matthew
no, garden lodge was left to mary, as was most of his estate.
>
> Sue <s...@svnseas.globalnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:8hgbil$6i7$2...@gxsn.com...
> >
> >
> > I quite liked all that. It's the closest we're ever likely to get to a
> > tour round Garden Lodge. I thought it also showed how much Phoebe
> > loved the place, after all it was his home too for several years. It
> > made it harder than ever to understand why he, Jim and Joe should have
> > been given such short notice and unfriendly treatment when they were
> > asked to leave.
> >
> > Sue
>
Paint Pastel Princess
>feels it destroyed freddie (AIDS) and took him away from her? now that is one
>HUGE guess.
That actually does sound reasonable, but why on earth would she not like gay
people? I mean, she remained incredibly close to Freddie after he told her
that he was gay...
~Dana~
Matt
<evil...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8hgs23$e6d$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> well my gut feeling is Mary doesn't/didn't like gay people. perhaps she
> feels it destroyed freddie (AIDS) and took him away from her? now that is
one
> HUGE guess.
>
And/Or she was just jealous of Freddie's other lovers? It must have made her
bitter over the years?
That might explain why everyone "got the boot" out of Garden Lodge.
Matt
evil...@my-deja.com
pntpaste...@aol.com (Paint Pastel Princess) wrote:
> >well my gut feeling is Mary doesn't/didn't like gay people. perhaps she
> >feels it destroyed freddie (AIDS) and took him away from her? now that is one
> >HUGE guess.
>
> people? I mean, she remained incredibly close to Freddie after he told her
> that he was gay...
>
> ~Dana~
>
>
when you love someone, you'd be surprised as to what you'd overlook.
evil...@my-deja.com
"Matt" <la...@the-madman.com> wrote:
>
> <evil...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8hgs23$e6d$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
> > feels it destroyed freddie (AIDS) and took him away from her? now that is
> one
> > HUGE guess.
> >
> bitter over the years?
>
> That might explain why everyone "got the boot" out of Garden Lodge.
>
> Matt
>
>
just as good a guess as anything matt. makes sense to me.
freddie clearly felt that jim, peter and joe should've had a home there at
least until they had PLENTY of time to fid something else.
also, those 3 had fairly important roles there which would've made mary's
life easier when she moved in ( i remember reading about how it was
overwhelming for her) so there must have been a personal reason for kicking
those guys out so fast.
BTW, anyone wanna make a guess as to whether or not mary will ever write a
book? something as classy as peter freestone did?
raymond
of Freddie's house? Because if it came from Jim Hutton's book, I read that
the other band members claim that some of what was written in Hutton's book
was inaccurate, especially in concern with Mary's actions.
I read that the man who edited Hutton's book colored and overdramatized many
parts of it. I even heard that Jim Hutton didn't write any of it, but it
was this editor who wrote it??????
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evil...@my-deja.com
"raymond" <bra...@tp.net> wrote:
> Where did this information come from that Mary booted Jim and the others out
> of Freddie's house? Because if it came from Jim Hutton's book, I read that
> the other band members claim that some of what was written in Hutton's book
> was inaccurate, especially in concern with Mary's actions.
>
it's fairly common knowledge really. jim's said it. peter has said it and joe
as well. it wouldn't surprise me if mary was a bitter little bitch.
> I read that the man who edited Hutton's book colored and overdramatized many
> parts of it. I even heard that Jim Hutton didn't write any of it, but it
> was this editor who wrote it??????
>
well i have no knowledge of that. i'm sure jim is no author but i believe he
had control over the book.
raymond
after Freddie died, and asking Jim and the others to leave was her way of
dealing with her anger over Freddie's death.
However, I have heard some people say that the man who edited Hutton's book
did add some things, true or not.
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Sue
Michael A, evil...@my-deja.com wrote:
Matt:
>> And/Or she was just jealous of Freddie's other lovers? It must have
>> made her bitter over the years?
>> That might explain why everyone "got the boot" out of Garden Lodge.
Michael:
>just as good a guess as anything matt. makes sense to me.
And me. Although they remained close it seems she was in a sense
sidelined when they split up. Freddie had this whole side of his life
and personality that she just had no connection with.
>freddie clearly felt that jim, peter and joe should've had a home
>there at least until they had PLENTY of time to fid something else.
Yes and even if that hadn't been stated by Freddie himself beforehand
IMO it would only have been common decency to allow the three guys
adequate time to sort themselves out after his death before insisting
on their leaving. It all seems rather mean spirited. They had just
nursed Freddie through his last days and they were in shock and
grieving too. She knew she was going to inherit the lot and it
wouldn't have hurt her to give them some breathing space.
>also, those 3 had fairly important roles there which would've made
>mary's life easier when she moved in ( i remember reading about how
>it was overwhelming for her) so there must have been a personal
>reason for kicking those guys out so fast.
You beat me to it, that's just what I was going to say. In the Daily
Mail interview Mary implied that she was left stranded by 'the staff'
who, having previously been like family to her, just all up and left
her to get on with the heavy task of running everything. That's not
how Jim or Phoebe tell it. If Phoebe had been treated with a bit more
consideration perhaps she could have had his help.
>BTW, anyone wanna make a guess as to whether or not mary will ever
>write a book? something as classy as peter freestone did?
I think she probably will in the end. David Wigg, the journalist who
did that interview with her, has previously said that there had been a
plan for her to collaborate on a book with him but she pulled out. I
did wonder if this interview was a sort of testing the waters thing to
resurrect the idea. I would certainly like to read her story.
Sue
raymond
probably hard to have those guys around, with them being his lovers and all.
I'm not sure how I would feel either.
And remember, she was devoted to Freddie and took good care of him right up
until the end. That's all that matters.
evil...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8hkcd9$2uc$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>In article <8hjhvn$i6k$1...@gxsn.com>,
> "Sue" <s...@svnseas.globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Michael A, evil...@my-deja.com wrote:
>>
>> Matt:
>> >> And/Or she was just jealous of Freddie's other lovers? It must have
>> >> made her bitter over the years?
>> >> That might explain why everyone "got the boot" out of Garden Lodge.
>>
>> Michael:
>> >just as good a guess as anything matt. makes sense to me.
>>
>> And me. Although they remained close it seems she was in a sense
>> sidelined when they split up. Freddie had this whole side of his life
>> and personality that she just had no connection with.
>>
>
>imagine being in a relationship with someone but not being allowed or
feeling
>comfortable enough to take part in doing certain things. i'd guess that'd
>make anyone jealous.
>
>
>
>> >freddie clearly felt that jim, peter and joe should've had a home
>> >there at least until they had PLENTY of time to fid something else.
>>
>> Yes and even if that hadn't been stated by Freddie himself beforehand
>> IMO it would only have been common decency to allow the three guys
>> adequate time to sort themselves out after his death before insisting
>> on their leaving. It all seems rather mean spirited. They had just
>> nursed Freddie through his last days and they were in shock and
>> grieving too. She knew she was going to inherit the lot and it
>> wouldn't have hurt her to give them some breathing space.
>>
>
>no kidding. i really don't buy mary being "ms. nice"
>
>
>> >also, those 3 had fairly important roles there which would've made
>> >mary's life easier when she moved in ( i remember reading about how
>> >it was overwhelming for her) so there must have been a personal
>> >reason for kicking those guys out so fast.
>>
>> You beat me to it, that's just what I was going to say. In the Daily
>> Mail interview Mary implied that she was left stranded by 'the staff'
>> who, having previously been like family to her, just all up and left
>> her to get on with the heavy task of running everything.
>
>
>you're kidding, she actually said that? who's she kidding?
>
>>That's not
>> how Jim or Phoebe tell it. If Phoebe had been treated with a bit more
>> consideration perhaps she could have had his help.
>>
>
>agreed. peter would've stayed, joe...maybe not (he was sick)
>
>> >BTW, anyone wanna make a guess as to whether or not mary will ever
>> >write a book? something as classy as peter freestone did?
>>
>> I think she probably will in the end. David Wigg, the journalist who
>> did that interview with her, has previously said that there had been a
>> plan for her to collaborate on a book with him but she pulled out. I
>> did wonder if this interview was a sort of testing the waters thing to
>> resurrect the idea. I would certainly like to read her story.
>
>i'd be interested in what i call the "bullshit factor" and how hard she'll
>try to make herself out to be the "good girl" in that whole mess.
>
>>
>> Sue
rOOth
evil...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <C5P_4.7400$p43.8...@news3.cableinet.net>,
> "Adrian Francis" <adrian....@cableinet.co.uk> wrote:
> > They shouldn't have been asked to leave, in my opinion. And I'm sure I read
> > that Freddie left Garden Lodge to them.
> >
> > Matthew
>
> no, garden lodge was left to mary, as was most of his estate.
What does come across though, imho, is that the guys in the mews area, the
cottages that Freddie bought later on in cash, were still grieving, and in some
cases not well, and the way that it was suddenly imposed upon them that this was
no longer their home and it was time to go. Also because of the way they had
lived together in the lodge there were belongings they knew as theirs, probably
gifts from Freddie or somewhat, that were at that time stored in the attic or
such place and they were not allowed any access to the main house. That's my
understanding of it. I can imagine how it hurt. My best friend died 9
years ago yesterday; i guess it's made more poignant, as with Freddie later this
year, because next year it's been ten.
--
-r-O-O-t-h-
"i still love you" (f)
".. Life's too short to hate your life's work." (Cathy)
evil...@my-deja.com
Sue
raymond wrote:
>Hey, why is everybody being so hard on Mary? She loved Freddie, and
>it was probably hard to have those guys around, with them being his
>lovers and all. I'm not sure how I would feel either.
>
>And remember, she was devoted to Freddie and took good care of him
>right up until the end. That's all that matters.
Yes, but so were those three guys devoted to him. Jim was his partner
and Phoebe had been looking after every little detail of Freddie's
home and life for years. It was they who had been looking after him
during his illness and actually physically nursed him through his
final days. No-one's disputing Mary's lifelong love or devotion, or
her right to all that was left to her, but if you read Phoebe's book
as well as Jim's it's hard to avoid the conclusion she treated them
rather badly. As rOOth says in another post, it seems they were even
denied access to personal belongings and gifts from and to Freddie.
Whether she got on with them personally or not there was no need for
such meanness.
Sue
Sue
Michael A, evil...@my-deja.com wrote:
> "Sue" <s...@svnseas.globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
Michael:
>> >also, those 3 had fairly important roles there which would've made
>> >mary's life easier when she moved in ( i remember reading about
>> >how it was overwhelming for her) so there must have been a
>> >personal reason for kicking those guys out so fast.
Sue:
>> You beat me to it, that's just what I was going to say. In the
>> Daily Mail interview Mary implied that she was left stranded by
>> 'the staff' who, having previously been like family to her, just
>> all up and left her to get on with the heavy task of running
>> everything.
Michael:
>you're kidding, she actually said that? who's she kidding?
Here's the paragraph I meant:
<quote>
"Mary dealt with the enormity of Freddie's generosity by becoming more
of a recluse within the secure walls of the rock star's home. 'I felt
very much out of my depth really,' she explains. 'Freddie's staff had
been like family to me, but after his death most of them had left
because he'd been so generous to them. I had sleepless nights worrying
about everything. I felt as if I'd done something wrong and paranoia
set in. Some of the fans even told me I was only the keeper of the
house. That hurt. I know several of Freddie's gay friends were
surprised Freddie had left so much to me. There those who thought they
should have been left the house. It was like people begrudged me
having what he had left me.' "
<unquote>
Sue
raymond
Sue wrote in message <8hljm5$o2f$1...@gxsn.com>...
Well, it doesn't sound to me like Mary is the bitch that you guys are making
her out to be. How do you know that those three guys acting appropriately?
It was Freddie's decision as to how much he wanted to leave Mary. I mean,
why weren't those guys left more? It sounds like Mary wasn't treated fairly
by some people, either.
Matt
<evil...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8hkcd9$2uc$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <8hjhvn$i6k$1...@gxsn.com>,
> "Sue" <s...@svnseas.globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Michael A, evil...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > Matt:
> > >> And/Or she was just jealous of Freddie's other lovers? It must have
> > >> made her bitter over the years?
> > >> That might explain why everyone "got the boot" out of Garden Lodge.
> >
> > Michael:
> > >just as good a guess as anything matt. makes sense to me.
> >
> > And me. Although they remained close it seems she was in a sense
> > sidelined when they split up. Freddie had this whole side of his life
> > and personality that she just had no connection with.
> >
>
> imagine being in a relationship with someone but not being allowed or
feeling
> comfortable enough to take part in doing certain things. i'd guess that'd
> make anyone jealous.
>
those things. After all, he was living what seemed to be a "double life".
This whole thing probably goes way back, and she was probably sidelined
quite often before their official breakup. Maybe she blames all of
them(Peter, Joe, and Jim) for his death, and lifestyle?
>
>
> > >freddie clearly felt that jim, peter and joe should've had a home
> > >there at least until they had PLENTY of time to fid something else.
> >
> > Yes and even if that hadn't been stated by Freddie himself beforehand
> > IMO it would only have been common decency to allow the three guys
> > adequate time to sort themselves out after his death before insisting
> > on their leaving. It all seems rather mean spirited. They had just
> > nursed Freddie through his last days and they were in shock and
> > grieving too. She knew she was going to inherit the lot and it
> > wouldn't have hurt her to give them some breathing space.
> >
>
> no kidding. i really don't buy mary being "ms. nice"
>
herself though. She should have realized(at least after the first 9 years)
that it came with being the girlfriend of Freddie Mercury. He wasn't going
to change for anybody.
>
> > >also, those 3 had fairly important roles there which would've made
> > >mary's life easier when she moved in ( i remember reading about how
> > >it was overwhelming for her) so there must have been a personal
> > >reason for kicking those guys out so fast.
> >
> > Mail interview Mary implied that she was left stranded by 'the staff'
> > who, having previously been like family to her, just all up and left
> > her to get on with the heavy task of running everything.
>
>
>
than we realize. In all honesty, they all sound crooked to me.
> >That's not
> > how Jim or Phoebe tell it. If Phoebe had been treated with a bit more
> > consideration perhaps she could have had his help.
> >
>
> agreed. peter would've stayed, joe...maybe not (he was sick)
>
> > >BTW, anyone wanna make a guess as to whether or not mary will ever
> > >write a book? something as classy as peter freestone did?
> >
> > I think she probably will in the end. David Wigg, the journalist who
> > did that interview with her, has previously said that there had been a
> > plan for her to collaborate on a book with him but she pulled out. I
> > did wonder if this interview was a sort of testing the waters thing to
> > resurrect the idea. I would certainly like to read her story.
>
> i'd be interested in what i call the "bullshit factor" and how hard she'll
> try to make herself out to be the "good girl" in that whole mess.
>
I'd be interested in the truth. Again, I think they're all full of it to a
certain extent; but at the same time, I could see of all them being victims
to Freddie.
> >
> > Sue
> >
> >
>
>
Matt
Matt
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>
> Sue wrote in message <8hljm5$o2f$1...@gxsn.com>...
> >
> >Michael A, evil...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >> "Sue" <s...@svnseas.globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >Michael:
> >>> >mary's life easier when she moved in ( i remember reading about
> >>> >how it was overwhelming for her) so there must have been a
> >>> >personal reason for kicking those guys out so fast.
> >>> You beat me to it, that's just what I was going to say. In the
> >>> Daily Mail interview Mary implied that she was left stranded by
> >>> 'the staff' who, having previously been like family to her, just
> >>> all up and left her to get on with the heavy task of running
> >>> everything.
> >>you're kidding, she actually said that? who's she kidding?
> >
> >
> ><quote>
> >"Mary dealt with the enormity of Freddie's generosity by becoming more
> >of a recluse within the secure walls of the rock star's home. 'I felt
> >very much out of my depth really,' she explains. 'Freddie's staff had
> >been like family to me, but after his death most of them had left
> >because he'd been so generous to them. I had sleepless nights worrying
> >about everything. I felt as if I'd done something wrong and paranoia
> >set in. Some of the fans even told me I was only the keeper of the
> >house. That hurt. I know several of Freddie's gay friends were
> >surprised Freddie had left so much to me. There those who thought they
> >should have been left the house. It was like people begrudged me
> >having what he had left me.' "
> ><unquote>
> >
> >Sue
> >
> >
>
>
> Well, it doesn't sound to me like Mary is the bitch that you guys are
making
> her out to be.
It's hard to tell who is telling the truth. It's a "he said/she said" type
of thing. They all sound sincere in these books/interviews, but at the same
time they all have reason to be jealous of each other. The only thing we
know is Jim and Peter have a similar recollection of what transpired, so
it's two to one. Most seem to be going on that(I think?).
> How do you know that those three guys acting appropriately?
I agree. Who knows "who" is acting appropriately?
> It was Freddie's decision as to how much he wanted to leave Mary. I mean,
> why weren't those guys left more?
Probably because Mary loved him before, and after he was a famous star.
Maybe he left her most of the money because he had doubts himself about who
really was the genuine person in his life?
> It sounds like Mary wasn't treated fairly
> by some people, either.
>
I don't ever think we'll know for sure who's telling the truth, but there
must have been a reason Freddie left her the bulk of his estate.
Matt
>
rOOth
raymond wrote:
>
> Well, it doesn't sound to me like Mary is the bitch that you guys are making
> her out to be. How do you know that those three guys acting appropriately?
> It was Freddie's decision as to how much he wanted to leave Mary. I mean,
> why weren't those guys left more? It sounds like Mary wasn't treated fairly
> by some people, either.
Well, to bring some humour into the situation (and i mean i really admire this
show and its writers) when Maxwell Sheffield's father left all the money to a
beautiful bastard of his from a tango dancer, being 9m or something, on The
Nanny, by the end of the show the beauty had organised to share the money
because she just wanted to be part of the family. But imho opinion the
important thing, at this stage, is that the books got written and that ppl
remain friends or become them. Cos 'we'll keep on trying' and 'on and on til
the end of time' I like Queen they're cool!
Michael Allred
>Matt
ah c'mon matt, have you read Freestone's book? if that doesn't clearly
point out how well he treated those close to him i don't know what does.
i remember reading that you didn't like freddie but don't recall
why......i mean he wasn't a saint, but nobody is.
Sue
raymond wrote:
>Well, it doesn't sound to me like Mary is the bitch that you guys are
>making her out to be. How do you know that those three guys acting
>appropriately?
Of course we can only know from what we're told. There's always more
than one side of a story and for their side you can read Jim's and
Phoebe's books and also their further comments about the subject in
Lesley-Anne Jones' biog of Freddie.
>It was Freddie's decision as to how much he wanted to leave Mary. I
>mean, why weren't those guys left more? It sounds like Mary wasn't
>treated fairly by some people, either.
It's not what was left to Mary that I was commenting on. As I said
before, of course she's entitled to GL and everything that Freddie
wanted her to have, that's indisputable. No, it's how after his death
she apparently treated the very friends who had been caring for him
that I find hard to understand.
Sue
f.5
Michael Allred wrote in message
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>Matt
It must have been hard for Freddie to figure out who was truly his friend
and who was just a freeloader when he hit it big. I've read numerous
interviews with celebrities who complain of this. It can cause paranoia,
distance and distrust. It's also a very good question -- who are your real
friends? Is the person you met, just after "Bohemian Rhapsody" broke out,
really a great guy who seems to have your best interests at heart or is he
in it for something he wants? No wonder Freddie had so much time for
Mary -- she had been his friend, and lover, when they were barely scraping
by; remained his friend when he confessed his gayness (a shock, I am sure,
if you had been his lover and had talked about getting married); and was a
faithful friend when the trappings of fame closed in. Regarding Peter
Freestone, etc., were they real friends or, as paid employees, "companions"?
Can you be someone's true friend when you're on their payroll? An
interesting question. Freddie himself said he didn't have any friends, "not
really" (a British TV interview -- looked like a morning show). Perhaps
instinctively he felt this way too. However, in Freestone's book, it is
very apparent that the author felt very close to Freddie and protective of
him.
Matt
Michael Allred <evil...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> >I could see of all them being victims to Freddie.
>
> >Matt
>
> ah c'mon matt, have you read Freestone's book?
No, I haven't found it yet. Honestly, I haven't looked for it in quite
awhile either. However, this discussion has me interested in purchasing it
though.
> if that doesn't clearly
> point out how well he treated those close to him i don't know what does.
>
I keep forgetting how those close to him regard him as being VERY generous.
I can't get his egotistical stage persona out of my mind, I guess......
What I meant though was I could see him leading both his female, and male
lovers on. He did live a double life, at least in the 70's, and that must
have hurt those close to him.
> i remember reading that you didn't like freddie but don't recall
> why......
It's a love/hate type of thing. I didn't like the "full of
himself/egotistical" person he portrayed. Maybe he wasn't like that in real
life, but he certainly came across that way to me. Once success settled in,
his songwriting went south as well. It's really a shame.
> i mean he wasn't a saint, but nobody is.
Nor would I expect him to be.
Matt
>
Matt
f.5 <f...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> It must have been hard for Freddie to figure out who was truly his friend
> and who was just a freeloader when he hit it big. I've read numerous
> interviews with celebrities who complain of this. It can cause paranoia,
> distance and distrust. It's also a very good question -- who are your
real
> friends? Is the person you met, just after "Bohemian Rhapsody" broke out,
> really a great guy who seems to have your best interests at heart or is he
> in it for something he wants? No wonder Freddie had so much time for
> Mary -- she had been his friend, and lover, when they were barely scraping
> by; remained his friend when he confessed his gayness (a shock, I am sure,
> if you had been his lover and had talked about getting married); and was a
> faithful friend when the trappings of fame closed in. Regarding Peter
> Freestone, etc., were they real friends or, as paid employees,
"companions"?
> Can you be someone's true friend when you're on their payroll? An
> interesting question. Freddie himself said he didn't have any friends,
"not
> really" (a British TV interview -- looked like a morning show). Perhaps
> instinctively he felt this way too.
Thanks for writing that out, as I couldn't put it into the proper wording,
but that is basically what was going through my mind.
Matt
>
>
rOOth
Matt wrote:
> ....I can't get his egotistical stage persona out of my mind, I guess......
>
> ....I didn't like the "full of
> himself/egotistical" person he portrayed. .... Once success settled in,
> his songwriting went south as well. It's really a shame.
>
This is probably how i saw him too, and why i wasn't a fan at the time.
However, I came in on MIH, and wow was that an experience, having no
background to the whole thing really at all. Innuendo seemed to be a geller
after some pretty scrappy new song compilations, and also a merging of all
their skills and technical experience over the years. Freddie's voice is so
inspirational in these albums and mebbe because of the circumstances i dunno
but i then became disconsulate that i'd passed Queen by at the time. However
with books like Phoebe's etc you don't miss out much now. That Beatle book
sounds cool - where the three sat down and wrote out their version? (hint,
hint, hint)
Ilona Kaster
find or order it ?
Ilona Kaster
Sue <s...@svnseas.globalnet.co.uk> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
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>
> evil...@my-deja.com wrote :
> >If so, reply so we can discuss.
> >
> >I found some of it quite interesting such as all the details of
> >Freddie meeting Michael Jackson, the recording process of the
> >"Barcelona" album, Freddie meeting Dustin Hoffman, etc.
>
> Yes, I've got a copy. The first edition was called 'Mr Mercury'.
>
> I agree with you Michael, it's an interesting read. Plenty of info
> about touring and video making etc as well as lots about everyday life
> in the Mercury household. The main thing I remember about it was
> thinking that you got a much better sense of what Freddie was like as
> a real person, as opposed to the public image, than you got from Jim
> Hutton's book. I can't imagine that anyone else (and I'd include Mary
> A in that) really knew Freddie quite as well as Peter did after so
> many years looking after him. It's good to know Freddie had caring,
> loyal friends like this he could rely on right up to the end.
>
> >DETAILED, nothing was missed) accounts of Freddie's house (though it
> >sure seemed as if Freddie had inredible taste in art) and what he
> >liked to eat.
>
> It was all described in minute detail wasn't it? :-)
Achim Otten
Go to www.Queen-World.de and look into my new shopping site.
Gruß Achim
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Marcus Lungarotti
Ilona Kaster wrote:
> I was looking for the book here in Germany. Has anyone got an idea where to
> find or order it ?
As far as I know there is no German translation. But you can order the
English version very cheap at http://www.buecher.de . I bought mine
there without any problems.
Bye
Marcus