Not Prog
Man...@usenet.com
Prog Archives and Dime. Their fans seem to go out of their way to avoid
giving them a Prog label and often the bands avoid labeling themselves as
Prog. Without going Raja do you think these bands are/were prog? If not
why?
Radiohead, 10cc, Flaming Lips, Zappa
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rojon
> I read some interesting descriptions of some Phychdelic acts on places like
> Prog Archives and Dime. Their fans seem to go out of their way to avoid
> giving them a Prog label and often the bands avoid labeling themselves as
> Prog. Without going Raja do you think these bands are/were prog? If not
> why?
> Radiohead, 10cc, Flaming Lips, Zappa
>
MAN! Homework.
I knew I should have picked another thread.
Man...@usenet.com
On 13-Feb-2008, rojon <Rojo...@aol.com> wrote:
> MAN! Homework.
> I knew I should have picked another thread.
I'll settle for your opinion on if you like them
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PStoller
> I read some interesting descriptions of some Phychdelic acts on places like
> Prog Archives and Dime. Their fans seem to go out of their way to avoid
> giving them a Prog label and often the bands avoid labeling themselves as
> Prog. Without going Raja do you think these bands are/were prog? If not
> why?
> Radiohead, 10cc, Flaming Lips, Zappa
I like 'em all except Flaming Lips (whom I don't dislike; just don't
really know their work.) Radiohead certainly owes a debt to Prog, but
I don't think of them as being Prog. Likewise 10cc, which was a sort
of pop/prog schizo band (with Godley & Creme representing the more
progressive half: "L" and "Freeze Frame" are about as close to Prog as
anyone from 10cc ever got.) Zappa, on the other hand, is more-prog-
than-Prog; Prog stripped of its grandiose cliches, and with more wit
and funk than most of the genre ever possessed.
Chris Jemmett
It WILL be on the test.
rojon
then, better sooner than later...Yes?
vide...@aol.com
I personally am not familiar with Radiohead, but thought that "the
press" were referring to OK Computer as progressive, or at least the
current (at the time) flavor of it. I thought that there was a mini
resurgence of progressive influenced bands a few years back. Seems to
have died off. Then again, I'm not reading NYTimes these days.
Bill
Led-Yes-Pin-Bea-Rol
> I read some interesting descriptions of some Phychdelic acts on places like
> Prog Archives and Dime. Their fans seem to go out of their way to avoid
> giving them a Prog label and often the bands avoid labeling themselves as
> Prog. Without going Raja do you think these bands are/were prog? If not
> why?
> Radiohead, 10cc, Flaming Lips, Zappa
Zappa was experimental rock. I dont know whether exp rock can be
called prog. If not that disqualifies Floyd, Can, Velvet Underground
etc.
Radiohead falls in only one category - boring 'c' rock
Flaming Lips -- dont give a damn
Unknown
Bowie, Eno, King Crimson (the only progressive band that actually
progressed) David Sylvain and others, thier hallmark being
experimentation in influence, technique, style, technology and
methodology, Prog tends to take a few hooks of the Progressive
movement and then repeats them adnauseaum, as Robert Fripp Said "
Prog is often mistaken for Progressive but Progressive is never
mistaken for Prog".
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On 17-Feb-2008, Das Boot (Das...@DecompressThis.com) wrote:
> Prog tends to take a few hooks of the Progressive
> movement and then repeats them adnauseaum, as Robert Fripp Said "
> Prog is often mistaken for Progressive but Progressive is never
> mistaken for Prog".
Great quote!
I think what I like the most these days is not the same as what I loved in
the glory days of Prog. These days I am really interested in bands that can
write a hook, share a thought without all of the noodeling that so many Prog
bands think is necessary. Probably comes from my early Love of the Beatles.
I still enjoy longer pieces of music but I don't think I can go with the
seemingly endless meandering of bands like Porcupine Tree any more.
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vrooomed
> Radiohead, 10cc, Flaming Lips, Zappa
Radiohead's "Kid A" album (er, CD) is actually quite progressive in
nature, although I doubt anyone would call it "Prog Rock" in the sense
of what Prog Rock is usually defined by (i.e., the classics from the
70's, Marillion, Flower Kings, Spock's Beard - you know, time
signature changes and key changes). There are songs with a jazzy feel
(The National Anthem), almost ambient (Everything in It's Right
Place), pure pop (Optimistic), and stuff I don't know how to classify
(Idioteque). It's an album that's truly all over the place, but for
some reason, it winds up working.
It is definitely my favorite album of theirs. The other stuff
(including "OK Computer") is not really prog, but their music is
certainly in a category all its own.
--vrooomed--
tali...@webtv.net
so very gifted in your abilities to incrementalize
notations,degrees,tonalities,and hair-fine spectrum analysis.I've been
out of the loop for decades and stuck severely in my own bubble.I can
offer nearly zilch but my thanks.I would like to name-drop a few
performers,but I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to get out of the way fast
enough lest I be di-sected.It is extremely interesting and a rare treat
of aural knowledge.Thanks people.
Man...@usenet.com
On 21-Feb-2008, tali...@webtv.net wrote:
> I can
> offer nearly zilch but my thanks.I would like to name-drop a few
> performers,but I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to get out of the way fast
> enough lest I be di-sected.It is
Wow - I hope this is not another Alt.Music.Yes board. I am floundering a bit
these days myself. I like the direction some bands are taking new Music -
Lips, Radiohead and hope the trend continues but I have not been really
knocked out by a band - new or old in years so I have been moving to the
edges and finding some good things - like Joe Jackson's Heaven and Hell,
Night and Day 2 both have some good work, His new album shows promise but I
have not done a deep dive into it yet. I think what I need these days is a
major Gabriel infusion.
Godolphin&fellow
> On Feb 13, 10:47 pm, Mani...@usenet.com wrote:
>
> > I read some interesting descriptions of some Phychdelic acts on places like
> > Prog Archives and Dime. Their fans seem to go out of their way to avoid
> > giving them a Prog label and often the bands avoid labeling themselves as
> > Prog. Without going Raja do you think these bands are/were prog? If not
> > why?
> > Radiohead, 10cc, Flaming Lips, Zappa
>
> Zappa was experimental rock. I dont know whether exp rock can be
> called prog. If not that disqualifies Floyd, Can, Velvet Underground
> etc.
> Radiohead falls in only one category - boring 'c' rock
> Flaming Lips -- dont give a damn
I saw a tv program on Bravo (maybe), (had a lot of up close insider
interviews with the band), It quoted some relatively early review
saying The Flaming Lips were trying to combine the style of Yes with
the raw energy of punk (or something like that). The person I was
watching it with laughed at that but... it made sense to me. - That
said the the 3 albums of theirs I've heard The Solf Bulletin is the
only one I like a lot.
tali...@webtv.net
w/his musicians similar to a combination of Iron Butterfly and Vanilla
Fudge yet with an admirable drive and intent.Anyone familiar?
Man...@usenet.com
On 22-Feb-2008, "Godolphin&fellow" <g4...@netscape.net> wrote:
> That
> said the the 3 albums of theirs I've heard The Solf Bulletin is the
> only one I like a lot.
I got to see them Live a Red Rocks this past summer and had the most fun
that I can remember at a concert since - well maybe ever. They totally
embrace today's commercial world while pointing out the insanity at the same
time.
The stage had short dressed girls in Alien costumes on 1 side Giant Santa
Clauses on the other while Shapceship landing lights drove home the
outstanding synth and Guitar sounds. Huge balloons dropped down on the
audience, Confetti Cannons, Lasers, - on and on. The crowd dressed in
everything from Nun's with Hand Puppets to Sponge Bob Square Pants. It is
like nothing I had ever seen before. The music was all live they do not fake
the sound. sure they miss a few notes here and there but hold it all
together. If you get a chance to see them, by all means GO!
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Man...@usenet.com
On 22-Feb-2008, tali...@webtv.net wrote:
> Czeslaw Niemen
> Czeslaw Niemen had a voice that cut through anything,and a technique
> w/his musicians similar to a combination of Iron Butterfly and Vanilla
> Fudge yet with an admirable drive and intent.Anyone familiar?
The Mahavishnu Orchestra guy right? I know he did some Prog early on before
he went to Jazz Fusion. I only heard small amounts of it but would like to
hear more. Was it ever released on CD?
tali...@webtv.net
stuff is on cd (97-8%).Neimen was a Polish vocalist w/soul and power and
a taste for prog jazz (it seemed so in most of his outright recordings
after his start with lesser pop hit attempts.)You either are amazed,and
a fan of czeslaw or you are not.You know what I mean.Think through your
own collection.Most of his recordings are digitized.Some of his earlier
stuff has surfaced,which is a good idea for collectors,but you should be
aware of his transformation,his morph,into a knifes' voice of soul
through the European sad fog and his bands' incredible strangeness at
most times to carry their musical product to hearts,minds,and politics,
breaking points,mending points,and focuses.A slavic John Lennon
maybe,but a better singer and bringer of the force within.
Man...@usenet.com
On 28-Feb-2008, tali...@webtv.net wrote:
> on Mclaughlin (sp?) was the Mahavishnu incredible guy and all off his
> stuff is on cd (97-8%).Neimen was a Polish vocalist w/soul and power and
> a taste for prog jazz (it seemed so in most of his outright recordings
> after his start with lesser pop hit attempts.)You either are amazed,and
> a fan of czeslaw or you are not.
Your post sent me looking - I knew he had ties to Mahavishnu
It was a disk he did with Hammer and Laird called Mourners Rhaposdy that I
heard - I must of thought it was the full band. It was a long time ago and I
only heard it once at a prog party so the person who brought it probably
made a big deal about the Mahavishnu connection so it stuck. The solo stuff
I heard was very prog but the Wiki site says he did folk as well?
So what new artists are you finding? Any thing that might be worth a deeper
dive?
Jeff Blanks
> I thought that there was a mini
> resurgence of progressive influenced bands a few years back. Seems to
> have died off.
Well, it seems to have done its job, at least: "Prog", in the words of
*Keyboard* magazine, is no longer a four-letter word. ;-)
And there's always The Mars Volta.
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