NPGMC Year One: Comments and suggestions - please add!
Gubbins4ever
1. MP3 files
MP3 tracks should be a completely new experience for the listener, and
hence already released tracks, B-Sides, remixes, rehearsals and live
versions of released material should not be used as the individual MP3
tracks.
A monthly batch of MP3s that have some sort of common theme is often a
good idea since this allows subscribers to formulate their own 僧ini
playlists/albums' for each month.
The provision of high and low quality MP3s should continue.
MP3 songs should come with information such as recording
dates/locations and any other relevant facts surrounding their
creation.
Many fams are extremely eager to own high quality versions of already
circulating outtake material. Occasionally providing outtake tracks
which are already circulating, such as 閃oonbeam Levels' and 選n All
My Dreams', would actually be likely to attract more subscribers so
long as they did not comprise the entirety of a month's MP3 tracks.
2. Ahdio shows
Already released tracks, B-Sides, remixes, rehearsals and live
versions of released material are more to suited to ahdio shows than
individual release since part of the appeal of the shows is that the
tracks contained therein form a coherent body. Their presence in a
music club's radio show is under less scrutiny than individual tracks
since their value is more dependant on how they work together than as
individuals.
However, released tracks need to be used sparingly to fill ahdio shows
since to hear too much music that subscribers already own can be
boring, even if they form part of a 僧ix' (for example, in Ahdio show
#11).
Occasional contributions from 叢resenters' such as NPG bandmembers
help to add individuality to shows and are thus welcome additions.
Many subscribers find themselves manually breaking up the Ahdio files
into tracked segments. It would therefore be useful for the shows to
already be tracked upon downloading.
A playlist for each show should be provided.
3. Video files
Songs should not be cut short, if at all possible.
Files should be in the highest quality possible and in colour, if
possible.
Each video file should be accompanied by an MP3 of the same audio
material, a practice employed in the last few months of year one, so
long as that MP3 is not used as part of that month's quota of MP3s.
Information should accompany each video clip.
4. Potential new features
Suggestions on how subscribers can arrange their MP3 files to form
coherent sequences.
Diaries on the activities of Prince/bandmembers, musical or otherwise
(musical would be most advisable).
More printable artwork for enjoyment and/or use as covers for monthly
installments of music.
More occasional competitions, such as lyric contests, quizzes etc.
Message boards for comments/analysis of material released through the
club.
Permanent message boards for suggestions for the club.
Inclusion of lyrics for MP3 tracks.
More photos of Prince and peripheral elements.
Anna Fantastic
"Gubbins4ever" <gubbin...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> NPGMC Year One: Comments and criticisms
>
>
> 1. MP3 files
>
> MP3 tracks should be a completely new experience for the listener, and
> hence already released tracks, B-Sides, remixes, rehearsals and live
> versions of released material should not be used as the individual MP3
> tracks.
>
> A monthly batch of MP3s that have some sort of common theme is often a
> playlists/albums' for each month.
>
> The provision of high and low quality MP3s should continue.
No...people with slow conncetions should have the 128 mp3.
But...they must have the option of giving fans 320kbps mp3...it won`t make a
huge difference in file size to those who are willing to spend more time to
get the very best possible quality.
>
> MP3 songs should come with information such as recording
> dates/locations and any other relevant facts surrounding their
> creation.
>
> Many fams are extremely eager to own high quality versions of already
> circulating outtake material. Occasionally providing outtake tracks
> which are already circulating, such as 'Moonbeam Levels' and 'In All
> My Dreams', would actually be likely to attract more subscribers so
> long as they did not comprise the entirety of a month's MP3 tracks.
Great idea, but it will never happen...he knows full well his old vault
material commands the most attention, it is the most prized items in his
vault.
Prince will never give us what we want, only what he wants to give us.
>
>
> 2. Ahdio shows
>
> Already released tracks, B-Sides, remixes, rehearsals and live
> versions of released material are more to suited to ahdio shows than
> individual release since part of the appeal of the shows is that the
> tracks contained therein form a coherent body. Their presence in a
> music club's radio show is under less scrutiny than individual tracks
> since their value is more dependant on how they work together than as
> individuals.
>
> However, released tracks need to be used sparingly to fill ahdio shows
> since to hear too much music that subscribers already own can be
> boring, even if they form part of a 'mix' (for example, in Ahdio show
> #11).
>
> Occasional contributions from 'presenters' such as NPG bandmembers
Great ideas, but once again none of our ideas will ever be put into
practice, no matter what is claimed...the music club is not ours, we do not
dictate anything or steer the direction.
Prince is the captain of this ship, all this chat room stuff and wanting
fans opinions is a smoke screen, prince is set in his ways...he understands
all too well what would have if vault material became available.
He will give us the bare minimum just to keep us moderately happy.
The Ur-Vile
spackle!
--
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DVD spelled backwards is DVD! Wow!
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Enivri
server????
Or even Irish server / rest of world server
that would make me happy
dial up is becoming a b*^ch
Bill
"Gubbins4ever" <gubbin...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> NPGMC Year One: Comments and criticisms
>
>
> 1. MP3 files
>
> MP3 tracks should be a completely new experience for the listener, and
> hence already released tracks, B-Sides, remixes, rehearsals and live
> versions of released material should not be used as the individual MP3
> tracks.
>
> A monthly batch of MP3s that have some sort of common theme is often a
> good idea since this allows subscribers to formulate their own 'mini
> playlists/albums' for each month.
>
> The provision of high and low quality MP3s should continue.
>
> MP3 songs should come with information such as recording
> dates/locations and any other relevant facts surrounding their
> creation.
>
> Many fams are extremely eager to own high quality versions of already
> circulating outtake material. Occasionally providing outtake tracks
> which are already circulating, such as 'Moonbeam Levels' and 'In All
> My Dreams', would actually be likely to attract more subscribers so
> long as they did not comprise the entirety of a month's MP3 tracks.
>
>
> 2. Ahdio shows
>
> Already released tracks, B-Sides, remixes, rehearsals and live
> versions of released material are more to suited to ahdio shows than
> individual release since part of the appeal of the shows is that the
> tracks contained therein form a coherent body. Their presence in a
> music club's radio show is under less scrutiny than individual tracks
> since their value is more dependant on how they work together than as
> individuals.
>
> However, released tracks need to be used sparingly to fill ahdio shows
> since to hear too much music that subscribers already own can be
> boring, even if they form part of a 'mix' (for example, in Ahdio show
> #11).
>
> Occasional contributions from 'presenters' such as NPG bandmembers
Jake Gittes
> Many fams are extremely eager to own high quality versions of already
> circulating outtake material.
The word "fams" should be banished forever. That is the dumbest ass shit I
have ever someone make up. Listening to rappers butcher the English language
in an effort to create an identity is more pleasant.
> 3. Video files
Goddamnit, for fuck's sake get rid of QT.
>
>> 4. Potential new features
>
Service to members that demonstrates respect for the members. There's a
novel idea for the NPGMC.
this crap]@xs4all.nl Joey Coco
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>
> "Gubbins4ever" <gubbin...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4ecde7e5.02013...@posting.google.com...
> > NPGMC Year One: Comments and criticisms
> >
> >
> > 1. MP3 files
> >
> > MP3 tracks should be a completely new experience for the listener, and
> > hence already released tracks, B-Sides, remixes, rehearsals and live
> > versions of released material should not be used as the individual MP3
> > tracks.
> >
> > A monthly batch of MP3s that have some sort of common theme is often a
> > good idea since this allows subscribers to formulate their own 'mini
> > playlists/albums' for each month.
> >
> > The provision of high and low quality MP3s should continue.
>
>
> No...people with slow conncetions should have the 128 mp3.
Learn to read dude.
--
Joey Coco
http://www.joeycoco.com
"We probably in hell already
Our dumb asses not knowing
Everybody kissing ass to go to heaven ain't going"
Anna Fantastic
"Joey Coco" <joeycoco@[delete this crap]@xs4all.nl> wrote in message
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> "Anna Fantastic" <libera...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:gGm68.2227$D6....@news.iol.ie...
> >
> > "Gubbins4ever" <gubbin...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:4ecde7e5.02013...@posting.google.com...
> > > NPGMC Year One: Comments and criticisms
> > >
> > >
> > > 1. MP3 files
> > >
> > > MP3 tracks should be a completely new experience for the listener, and
> > > hence already released tracks, B-Sides, remixes, rehearsals and live
> > > versions of released material should not be used as the individual MP3
> > > tracks.
> > >
> > > A monthly batch of MP3s that have some sort of common theme is often a
> > > good idea since this allows subscribers to formulate their own 'mini
> > > playlists/albums' for each month.
> > >
> > > The provision of high and low quality MP3s should continue.
> >
> >
> > No...people with slow conncetions should have the 128 mp3.
>
> Learn to read dude.
Learn to read dude, what did the original poster say?, quote "The provision
of high and low quality MP3s should continue".
Now what did i say?, quote "No...people with slow conncetions should have
the 128 mp3", then you conviently snipped out the rest of what i said.
I said that 128`s for people on slow connections, then the club should have
the highest bitrate mp3, no 256`s...i said people willing to take them time
should have the maximum 320kbps mp3.
So not only should you learn to read, but you should also learn to quote
complete texts and not take words out of context.
Got that programmed?.
Gubbins4ever
> practice, no matter what is claimed...the music club is not ours, we do not
> dictate anything or steer the direction.
>
> Prince is the captain of this ship, all this chat room stuff and wanting
> fans opinions is a smoke screen, prince is set in his ways...he understands
> all too well what would have if vault material became available.
>
> He will give us the bare minimum just to keep us moderately happy.
Anna Fantastic, you may well be right! However, I'm sure you'd agree
that one must propose these ideas regardless of whether they are
likely to be implemented. Moreover, I have a feeling that many of our
complaints were taken into account as the year progressed and this may
be the case in the future.
However, I think you're spot on with regard to the vault items.
Prince's bond to his music and the way he's prepared to treat it is
extremely high, almost sacred. The requests of club members will not
touch his preconceived ideas of what he does with much of the vault.
It's not too bad tho, because the vault tracks we talk about we
already own, even if often in poor quality, and so stuff we've never
heard is fine (even if they lack the legendary status of, say,
Moonbeam Levels).
Bart Van Hemelen
told alt.music.prince the following on the subject "NPGMC Year One:
Comments and suggestions - please add!":
>NPGMC Year One: Comments and criticisms
>
>1. MP3 files
Should be gone. Well, not entirely. Small, low-bitrate MP3s should be
put up as tasters for that month's CD. They could be circulated to
"promote" the club -- "hey man, listen to this new Prince tune!"
Yes, I said CD. As I said before, Prince should hook up with a major
*international* online store to distribute his music *on CD*. Granted,
not everythign exists yet, but I'm sure Amazon would be very happy to
accomodate Prince if they could "resell" the techniques they develop
to other clients. System could be as simple as:
- CDs shoudl be "cheap" for club members, MAX $10 per CD (the tour CD
singles cost $5 each, and the costs of pressing a CD single are
virtually the same as those of a full CD)
- CDs are limited editions (and don't even pretend this would be too
costly, if Prince can press up a small number of CDs for sale at
concerts only, he sure can do this)
- club members receive a discount
- club members can order several copies, though there should be a
limit (to prevent a limited number of members from buying everything)
- club members get to order CDs before the general public (and receive
them earlier also? -- not even necessary as long as they get the
opportunity to order ahead to ensure they get their copies)
- CDs should be sealed (heightens value for collectors)
- CDs should contain appropriate art and liner notes
- CDs should be available in uncut and censored versions, when
appropriate
- live CDs should not be "enhanced"
Result? Major press coverage, major props from fans (if the CDs are 34
minute rip-offs), and an alternative to the major label system.
>3. Video files
DVDs? Hmmm, perhaps too costly.
>More occasional competitions, such as lyric contests, quizzes etc.
Lord no. Focus on the MUSIC, not the crap.
--
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Bart Van Hemelen
<libera...@hotmail.com> told alt.music.prince the following on the
subject "Re: NPGMC Year One: Comments and suggestions - please add!":
>> 1. MP3 files
>>
>> MP3 tracks should be a completely new experience for the listener, and
>> hence already released tracks, B-Sides, remixes, rehearsals and live
>> versions of released material should not be used as the individual MP3
>> tracks.
>>
>> A monthly batch of MP3s that have some sort of common theme is often a
>> good idea since this allows subscribers to formulate their own 'mini
>> playlists/albums' for each month.
>>
>> The provision of high and low quality MP3s should continue.
>
>No...people with slow conncetions should have the 128 mp3.
>But...they must have the option of giving fans 320kbps mp3...it won`t make a
>huge difference in file size to those who are willing to spend more time to
>get the very best possible quality.
Nonsense. kbit/sec ahs got less to do with the quality of the MP3 than
using the correct codec. http://r3mix.net/ for info.
>Great idea, but it will never happen...he knows full well his old vault
>material commands the most attention, it is the most prized items in his
>vault.
And each year it becomes more and more worthless.
>He will give us the bare minimum just to keep us moderately happy.
Bingo.
Bart Van Hemelen
told alt.music.prince the following on the subject "Re: NPGMC Year
One: Comments and suggestions - please add!":
>> He will give us the bare minimum just to keep us moderately happy.
>
>Anna Fantastic, you may well be right! However, I'm sure you'd agree
>that one must propose these ideas regardless of whether they are
>likely to be implemented.
Then why don't you propose a DECENT set of ideas instead of these
"barely more than we already have" stuff? See my post.
Bart Van Hemelen
<tenthousa...@yahoo.com> told alt.music.prince the following on
the subject "Re: NPGMC Year One: Comments and suggestions - please
add!":
>>But...they must have the option of giving fans 320kbps mp3...it won`t make a
>>huge difference in file size to those who are willing to spend more time to
>>get the very best possible quality.
>
>Nonsense. kbit/sec ahs got less to do with the quality of the MP3 than
>using the correct codec. http://r3mix.net/ for info.
And this:
http://www.arstechnica.com/wankerdesk/1q00/mp3/mp3-1.html
Prince Fan
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> On 31 Jan 2002 17:49:03 -0800, gubbin...@yahoo.com (Gubbins4ever)
> told alt.music.prince the following on the subject "NPGMC Year One:
> Comments and suggestions - please add!":
>
> >NPGMC Year One: Comments and criticisms
> >
> >1. MP3 files
>
> Should be gone. Well, not entirely. Small, low-bitrate MP3s should be
> put up as tasters for that month's CD. They could be circulated to
> "promote" the club -- "hey man, listen to this new Prince tune!"
I agree 110%
>
> Yes, I said CD. As I said before, Prince should hook up with a major
> *international* online store to distribute his music *on CD*. Granted,
> not everythign exists yet, but I'm sure Amazon would be very happy to
> accomodate Prince if they could "resell" the techniques they develop
> to other clients. System could be as simple as:
> - CDs shoudl be "cheap" for club members, MAX $10 per CD (the tour CD
> singles cost $5 each, and the costs of pressing a CD single are
> virtually the same as those of a full CD)
> - CDs are limited editions (and don't even pretend this would be too
> costly, if Prince can press up a small number of CDs for sale at
> concerts only, he sure can do this)
> - club members receive a discount
> - club members can order several copies, though there should be a
> limit (to prevent a limited number of members from buying everything)
> - club members get to order CDs before the general public (and receive
> them earlier also? -- not even necessary as long as they get the
> opportunity to order ahead to ensure they get their copies)
> - CDs should be sealed (heightens value for collectors)
> - CDs should contain appropriate art and liner notes
> - CDs should be available in uncut and censored versions, when
> appropriate
> - live CDs should not be "enhanced"
Pretty much agreed, and I sent NPGMC a nice long email breaking down things
for them that would improve the club, though as expected no return feedback
from them. Though maybe, just maybe we might hear them speak on my idea's in
this Chat tomorrow.
>
> Result? Major press coverage, major props from fans (if the CDs are 34
> minute rip-offs), and an alternative to the major label system.
>
> >3. Video files
>
> DVDs? Hmmm, perhaps too costly.
>
The damn DVD's can't be too costly when they are selling the :"Rave 2000
PPV" for only $10 on DVD.
--
Prince Fan
www.PrinceFan.net
ICQ: 40523352
Gubbins4ever
suggesting how to tweak the existing pattern of MP3s/videos/ahdio as
opposed to revamping the club in a completely new way.
Although you guys have come up with lots of great ideas for an
entirely new approach, I personally think that the existing structures
of the club will continue in much the same fashion since they involve
purely digital distribution. As soon as we get into the distribution
of physical media such as CDs and DVDs then we open an entirely new
and potentially problematic can of worms, which I don't think the
organisers of the club will want to handle.
Anna Fantastic
> On Fri, 01 Feb 2002 02:01:48 GMT, "Anna Fantastic"
> <libera...@hotmail.com> told alt.music.prince the following on the
> subject "Re: NPGMC Year One: Comments and suggestions - please add!":
>
> >> 1. MP3 files
> >>
> >> MP3 tracks should be a completely new experience for the listener, and
> >> hence already released tracks, B-Sides, remixes, rehearsals and live
> >> versions of released material should not be used as the individual MP3
> >> tracks.
> >>
> >> A monthly batch of MP3s that have some sort of common theme is often a
> >> good idea since this allows subscribers to formulate their own 'mini
> >> playlists/albums' for each month.
> >>
> >> The provision of high and low quality MP3s should continue.
> >
> >No...people with slow conncetions should have the 128 mp3.
> >But...they must have the option of giving fans 320kbps mp3...it won`t
make a
> >huge difference in file size to those who are willing to spend more time
to
> >get the very best possible quality.
>
> Nonsense. kbit/sec ahs got less to do with the quality of the MP3 than
> using the correct codec. http://r3mix.net/ for info.
Agreed bart, but regardless of the codec or if it is VBR or not, we should
be given the maximum rip available.
NO ONE
of the vault because I'm sure some of that stuff is owned by WB. Didn't u
notice that we didn't get any trax prior to 1988 with the exception of Splash?
Prince has his reasons and I bet they are not all due to his unwillingness to
pull them out.
I enjoyed the club over the past year. I was only unsatisfied a few times, but
overall I was pleased. My biggest complaint is that he repeated too many
songs. High, Get Wild, The Good Life, etc. These songs are good, but come on,
we got high 4 times.
this crap]@mn.rr.com Joey "JW Slayer" Coco
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>
> Come on people. Prince can't necessarily pull all of the trax that we
want out
> of the vault because I'm sure some of that stuff is owned by WB.
Wrong and it has been explained before, so you can google it if you want.
--
Joey Coco
http://www.joeycoco.com
"Knowledge never hurt anyone but idiots."
Queen Of The Damned
"NO ONE" wrote:
> I'm sure some of that stuff is owned by WB.
It's my understanding that WB can only own what Prince gave them to put out.