I love this current "comeback" because
MG
1. We may get more music out of him in the future do to the spotlight
2. Shuts a LOT of people up who said Prince was finished
3. Prince has done things his own way, and still winds up on TOP.
I Love it.......................
willtellu
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Prince *is* finished. It has nothing to do with popularity. I do have to say
that all this Prince talk had gotten me to play songs and albums I haven't
played in years.
Barb Hoy
I'm lovin' it!
Barb
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Manci
I'm diggin it too, but point three isn't exactly true. Witness TRC and
N.E.W.S.: Indie releases which sank quickly. Witness Musicology: Backed by
a large record company heaping lots of promo and payola.
Let's not kid ourselves...Prince is back in the limelight because he's
playing by the rules again. That's not good or bad in my opinion. But I do
like the fact that he understands that "if you want to play with [them], you
better learn the rules..."
--
Manci
--
"Luminous beings are we. Not this crude matter."
Bart Van Hemelen
because" in alt.music.prince on 4 May 2004 09:04:37 -0700):
>I am really digging Prince's current so called comeback because:
>1. We may get more music out of him in the future do to the spotlight
What stopped him before? Oh, and do you really think Sony's gonna
allow him to flood the market?
>2. Shuts a LOT of people up who said Prince was finished
Yeah, all he had to do was go back to playing greatest hits concerts
and pimp himself on dumb tv shows and do lame radio interviews.
>3. Prince has done things his own way, and still winds up on TOP.
Seems to me all this isn't his way.
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Tmknapp
>I am really digging Prince's current so called comeback because:
Yeah, but don't call it a comeback! Am I the only tired of the media
constantly bringing up the "it's not a comeback" thing everytime you see a news
report now?
>1. We may get more music out of him in the future do to the spotlight
Yeah, for .99 cents a song!
>2. Shuts a LOT of people up who said Prince was finished
Yeah, like you haven't been reading the newsgroup then...especially Bart's
posts.
>3. Prince has done things his own way, and still winds up on TOP.
Well, actually number 3. And, like Barry Bond's record, many people would like
to put an asterisk by it.
Tim
Also loving it, but just a little more in perspective to The Truth.
HOBBS47
wrong.Enjoy the rest of the year(sold out tour,pleased fans,tons of
exposure,and great reviews).Life is good.
>"comeback" because
>From: Bart Van Hemelen
Bart Van Hemelen
"comeback" because" in alt.music.prince on 05 May 2004 00:28:21 GMT):
>man,2004 has been a ROUGH year for you so far,huh bart?
Hell no. Prince keeps contradicting himself, still is a mediocre
Vegas-shadow of his former self, still doesn't have an ounce of
quality control, etc.
Manci
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> "HOBBS47" said the following (about "Re: I love this current
> "comeback" because" in alt.music.prince on 05 May 2004 00:28:21 GMT):
>
> >man,2004 has been a ROUGH year for you so far,huh bart?
>
> Hell no. Prince keeps contradicting himself, still is a mediocre
> Vegas-shadow of his former self, still doesn't have an ounce of
> quality control, etc.
C'mon Bart... You have to admit he is actually doing some things right for
the first time in over 10 years. And Musicology is his best CD in forever.
I'm an Usher fan too, and that disc puts me to sleep after listening to
Musicology.
--
Manci
--
"Luminous beings are we. Not this crude matter."
www.curiousuniverse.com-------------------
HOBBS47
>>man,2004 has been a ROUGH year for you so far,huh bart?
>From: Bart Van Hemelen
>Hell no. Prince keeps contradicting himself, still is a mediocre
>Vegas-shadow of his former self, still doesn't have an ounce of
>quality control, etc.
just as i suspected,it's killing you.
peanuts!!!!!!
Chris Law [newpowergeneration]
>
> Hell no. Prince keeps contradicting himself, still is a mediocre
> Vegas-shadow of his former self, still doesn't have an ounce of
> quality control, etc.
So you admit your mission in life is to bitch about Prince?
--
|chris law
|newpowergeneration
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Gullah Jack
They'll be back to criticise what comes next. Unless W&L are involved.
Nothing wrong with criticism, but the end of the world prophesies that
accompany each release, are a bit much.
> 3. Prince has done things his own way, and still winds up on TOP.
>
I for one am glad that he's doing this without a Revolution reunion. If
this successful comeback had been accompanied by a couple of songs
co-written by Wendy and Lisa on Musicology or by having those girls in his
band, we'd a never heard the end of it from the W&L fags...um, fans who'd
likely have only one explanation for the recent upsurge in interest. That's
some shit I could do without. And, no. One appearance by Ms. Melvoin on a
PBS show don't count.
The most important thing for me, of course, is that Prince continues to
make music I like, both on record and live. All this other stuff is
enjoyable, short lived though it may be, but if Musicology hadn't charted at
all, it wouldn't matter to me.
Although I've stated that I didn't want him to become Lionel
Ritchie or Pat Boone (personality wise), I happen to think that the new,
possibly medicated, Prince is pretty cool.
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Then you two have a lot in common.
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because" in alt.music.prince on Wed, 05 May 2004 00:56:04 GMT):
>C'mon Bart... You have to admit he is actually doing some things right for
>the first time in over 10 years.
And all he had to do was relinquish his personality, just to get a hit
and be the flavor of the month.
MG
relatively simple. For me, the bottom line is that Prince has gone
thru ups and downs (like we all do) but at the end of the day, the man
is still making music that people like and that's all good with me.
-Mg
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Manci
> "Manci" said the following (about "Re: I love this current "comeback"
> because" in alt.music.prince on Wed, 05 May 2004 00:56:04 GMT):
>
> >C'mon Bart... You have to admit he is actually doing some things right
for
> >the first time in over 10 years.
>
> And all he had to do was relinquish his personality, just to get a hit
> and be the flavor of the month.
I have to totally (but respectfully) disagree. This is the Princiest Prince
record in years... All different styles that somehow sound like they still
belong to the same album.
Bart Van Hemelen
>I have to totally (but respectfully) disagree. This is the Princiest Prince
>record in years... All different styles that somehow sound like they still
>belong to the same album.
Because they're rehashes of previous ideas.
RapAMania.com
> I happen to think that the new, possibly medicated, Prince is pretty cool.
haha @ possibly medicated
HOBBS47
definitely you edshugeo.good post.and much thanks for the abmp stuff.
Manci
> "Manci" said the following (about "Re: I love this current "comeback"
> because" in alt.music.prince on Wed, 05 May 2004 22:14:45 GMT):
>
> >I have to totally (but respectfully) disagree. This is the Princiest
Prince
> >record in years... All different styles that somehow sound like they
still
> >belong to the same album.
>
> Because they're rehashes of previous ideas.
That's the thing... Prince puts out "What Do You Want Me to Do?" and people
complain that it sounds like Dorothy Parker too much. Now mind you, that's
a song from 15 years ago.
Then I go listen to Usher's new disc, and every single song sounds the same.
Prince repeats an idea from 15 years ago, and it's a sin. Usher repeats the
same song 17 times and it's a hit.
iTude. Wildly Expressive.
"Manci" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
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> Then I go listen to Usher's new disc, and every single song sounds the
same.
> Prince repeats an idea from 15 years ago, and it's a sin. Usher repeats
the
> same song 17 times and it's a hit.
THANK YOU! FINALLY someone has the balls to say this. And in reality your
idea goes well into the R&B market over all these days. Sidenote: "Yeah"
is probably one of the most NONmusical songs in a while.
willtellu
"iTude. Wildly Expressive." <find.me@.my.site.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Manci" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
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>
> > Then I go listen to Usher's new disc, and every single song sounds the
> same.
> > Prince repeats an idea from 15 years ago, and it's a sin. Usher repeats
> the
> > same song 17 times and it's a hit.
>
> THANK YOU! FINALLY someone has the balls to say this. And in reality
your
> idea goes well into the R&B market over all these days. Sidenote: "Yeah"
> is probably one of the most NONmusical songs in a while.
Why is it ok to compare Prince's output to that of no talent losers, but not
his former self? On a side note, I still enjoy Yeah more than anything on
Musicology. I enjoy Bob George too, also a "non musical" song. As a matter
of fact if the degree of musical complicity would be the decisive factor
there'd be other artists I'd listen to instead of Prince.
Bart Van Hemelen
>> Because they're rehashes of previous ideas.
>
>That's the thing... Prince puts out "What Do You Want Me to Do?" and people
>complain that it sounds like Dorothy Parker too much. Now mind you, that's
>a song from 15 years ago.
>
>Then I go listen to Usher's new disc, and every single song sounds the same.
Well duh.
MG
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iTude. Wildly Expressive.
than songs like "A Million Days" or something is almost obscene. And yeah
we've certainly compared Prince's better output to his less-than output.
But if he's on the same chart as Usher or some other no talent scab, the
comparisons will be written, I suppose.
"willtellu" <ill...@operation.iq> wrote in message
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MG
Yeah?...........................hell no. OOOOKAYYYY!-Mg
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Manci
> "Manci" said the following (about "Re: I love this current "comeback"
> because" in alt.music.prince on Thu, 06 May 2004 00:23:29 GMT):
>
> >> Because they're rehashes of previous ideas.
> >
> >That's the thing... Prince puts out "What Do You Want Me to Do?" and
people
> >complain that it sounds like Dorothy Parker too much. Now mind you,
that's
> >a song from 15 years ago.
> >
> >Then I go listen to Usher's new disc, and every single song sounds the
same.
>
> Well duh.
From the looks of what you quoted (or more specifically, didn't quote), it
seems like you missed my point. But your reply still made me laugh...
Manci
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> Why is it ok to compare Prince's output to that of no talent losers, but
not
> his former self? On a side note, I still enjoy Yeah more than anything on
> Musicology. I enjoy Bob George too, also a "non musical" song. As a matter
> of fact if the degree of musical complicity would be the decisive factor
> there'd be other artists I'd listen to instead of Prince.
Lot's of people are also comparing Prince of 2004 with Prince of 1984, 1987,
1991, etc... My point is, why is it so bad if Prince repeats an idea he had
15 years ago? My God, the man has over 750 RELEASED songs... Do you really
think every single one of them has to be a unique idea? So what if Million
Days sound vaguely like Into the Light or WDYWMTD sounds like Parker? The
whole point is that (and I know people will scream "blasphemy!") WDYWMTD
*IMPROVES* upon the idea of Parker, just like Million Days *IMPROVES* upon
the idea of Into the Light. He's refining his music, which is still more
than most artists ever accomplish.
And if you ask me, he's still innovating with Marrying Kind / If Eye...
Some folks hear a bit of 3 Chains in it. Why not throw in Strays of the
World too? To me, that combo song is the freshest music I've heard in a
long time. I can see a couple of similarities with 3 Chains, but that's it:
a couple similarities. To me, it still sounds like a new idea.
Jon Dos
> But if he's on the same chart as Usher or some other no talent scab, the
> comparisons will be written, I suppose.
Prince was once on the same chart as Barny the purple dinosaur, so yeah,
you're right, i suppose.
willtellu
> I don't think you can compare Prince and Usher, but to say "Yeah" is
better
> than songs like "A Million Days" or something is almost obscene. And yeah
> we've certainly compared Prince's better output to his less-than output.
> But if he's on the same chart as Usher or some other no talent scab, the
> comparisons will be written, I suppose.
I wouldn't use the term better, because musically it's not, but I enjoy it
more.
willtellu
> "willtellu" <ill...@operation.iq> wrote in message
> news:hAimc.44014$Dp2....@fe03.usenetserver.com...
>
> > Why is it ok to compare Prince's output to that of no talent losers, but
> not
> > his former self? On a side note, I still enjoy Yeah more than anything
on
> > Musicology. I enjoy Bob George too, also a "non musical" song. As a
matter
> > of fact if the degree of musical complicity would be the decisive factor
> > there'd be other artists I'd listen to instead of Prince.
>
>
> Lot's of people are also comparing Prince of 2004 with Prince of 1984,
1987,
> 1991, etc... My point is, why is it so bad if Prince repeats an idea he
had
> 15 years ago? My God, the man has over 750 RELEASED songs... Do you
really
> think every single one of them has to be a unique idea?
Personally I think of it this way. If you can't come up with something
different, well then maybe it's not worth releasing. I understand after a
while you'll be more likely to repeat yourself, but maybe when it come to
that point you should realize you're not adding anything to what you've
already done and call it a day.
Yes, sometimes people tend to hear similiarities that are pretty far
fetched, but there are plenty of times it was so obvious "we've heard that
song before". Obviously it's all up to Prince what he does with his ideas,
but I just think it's a shame. I'd rather have him not record for 3 years
and then get in the studio with fresh ideas than recording constantly and
releasing two records a year that don't really add anything to his
catalogue.
Jon Dos
> "Manci" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
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> > "willtellu" <ill...@operation.iq> wrote in message
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> >
>
> Personally I think of it this way. If you can't come up with something
> different, well then maybe it's not worth releasing. I understand after a
> while you'll be more likely to repeat yourself, but maybe when it come to
> that point you should realize you're not adding anything to what you've
> already done and call it a day.
DING DING DING DING DING!!!!!
YOU GOT IT!!!
THAT'S IT, RETIRE MOFO!!!
brink
"Bart Van Hemelen" <see...@bottom.of.post.invalid> wrote in message
> "Manci" said the following (about "Re: I love this current "comeback"
> because" in alt.music.prince on Wed, 05 May 2004 00:56:04 GMT):
>
> >C'mon Bart... You have to admit he is actually doing some things right
for
> >the first time in over 10 years.
>
> And all he had to do was relinquish his personality, just to get a hit
> and be the flavor of the month.
HAHAHAHAHA... ooohh, this is too good.
prince is just as "princey" as ever. i mean he's got the market cornered on
"princiness" right now, though andre 3000 is trying to bite that...
Bart Van Hemelen
because" in alt.music.prince on Thu, 6 May 2004 19:51:37 -0700):
>> >C'mon Bart... You have to admit he is actually doing some things right
>for
>> >the first time in over 10 years.
>>
>> And all he had to do was relinquish his personality, just to get a hit
>> and be the flavor of the month.
>
>HAHAHAHAHA... ooohh, this is too good.
>
>prince is just as "princey" as ever.
Really? Didn't know that giving boring interviews was Prince-like.
That playing your hits in Vegas-style was Prince-like (not like the
good Prince of the 1980s).
iTude. Wildly Expressive.
you're a constant critic (read: Bob George), and aren't even really happy
in your personal life. That all certainly reflects on here. You're an
egomaniac, full of hatred, and have never really said anything that kind to
anyone. You're here for the sake of being here at this point; you're saving
face. If you leave, people will say "We ran him off." Whereas your
staying, despite your hatred for 99% of the people here (including
yourself), hatred for Prince, would only serve to feed your fragile ego that
depends on the attention, albeit negative. You kinda live by the "any press
is good press" rule.
Go play w/ your Lego's.
brink
"Bart Van Hemelen" <see...@bottom.of.post.invalid> wrote in message
> "brink" said the following (about "Re: I love this current "comeback"
> because" in alt.music.prince on Thu, 6 May 2004 19:51:37 -0700):
>
> >> >C'mon Bart... You have to admit he is actually doing some things
right
> >for
> >> >the first time in over 10 years.
> >>
> >> And all he had to do was relinquish his personality, just to get a hit
> >> and be the flavor of the month.
> >
> >HAHAHAHAHA... ooohh, this is too good.
> >
> >prince is just as "princey" as ever.
>
> Really? Didn't know that giving boring interviews was Prince-like.
actually, i'll agree with you here... i've said for a long time that i
liked it when prince refused to do interviews, i just thought it was cool
that he was "too busy" for that stuff...
> That playing your hits in Vegas-style was Prince-like (not like the
> good Prince of the 1980s).
here's where i disagree with you. my favorite prince tour is the lovesexy
tour, and i love the "hits" half of the show--and if prince 2004 is "vegasy"
then so was prince circa 1988. so much energy, one song morphing into
another, actually the new tour does a pretty good job of capturing that
non-stop energy feel that i like from that era... the LA tour stop was
phenomenal in the first half, really sagged in the middle for the "ballads"
section, and then the end and encore were again fabulous.
Bart Van Hemelen
>> That playing your hits in Vegas-style was Prince-like (not like the
>> good Prince of the 1980s).
>
>here's where i disagree with you. my favorite prince tour is the lovesexy
>tour, and i love the "hits" half of the show--and if prince 2004 is "vegasy"
>then so was prince circa 1988.
Those hits weren't "Vegasy" at all.
iTude. Wildly Expressive.
>
> Those hits weren't "Vegasy" at all.
No he just played a minute or two of a million songs, which he NEVER does
now.
</sarcasm>
brink
"Bart Van Hemelen" <see...@bottom.of.post.invalid> wrote in message
> "brink" said the following (about "Re: I love this current "comeback"
> because" in alt.music.prince on Sun, 9 May 2004 13:55:49 -0700):
>
> >> That playing your hits in Vegas-style was Prince-like (not like the
> >> good Prince of the 1980s).
> >
> >here's where i disagree with you. my favorite prince tour is the
lovesexy
> >tour, and i love the "hits" half of the show--and if prince 2004 is
"vegasy"
> >then so was prince circa 1988.
>
> Those hits weren't "Vegasy" at all.
seriously, what's the difference?
in fact, with the "mega-medley" spectacle thing he did in '88, it's arguably
a bit more vegasy...
Bart Van Hemelen
>> >> That playing your hits in Vegas-style was Prince-like (not like the
>> >> good Prince of the 1980s).
>> >
>> >here's where i disagree with you. my favorite prince tour is the
>lovesexy
>> >tour, and i love the "hits" half of the show--and if prince 2004 is
>"vegasy"
>> >then so was prince circa 1988.
>>
>> Those hits weren't "Vegasy" at all.
>
>seriously, what's the difference?
LISTEN. No lite-jazz crap, no singalongs, etc. Instead we got tough as
nails renditions.
>in fact, with the "mega-medley" spectacle thing he did in '88, it's arguably
>a bit more vegasy...
No, the medley told a story, it was Prince taking you on a trip. The
hits-centered concerts from 1997 on show Prince caving in to fans'
demands (i.e. money).
MENOCH45
prince. All music is either an evolution of a devolution of prince music. How
old is he now.... into his fifth or sixth soul. he wrote the very first song
and everyone since that time has copied him. the master lives......... take
that critics. HA!!!!!!!
iTude. Wildly Expressive.
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> Prince once again proves all the critics wrong.
Your boy doesn't care about critics, so he says.
> All music begins and ends with
> prince. All music is either an evolution of a devolution of prince music.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA BULLSHIT