Who killed Portishead?
Xon
to say I am sick of Portishead clones. The Portishead sound is well and
truly played out. The question is where do Portishead go now? My
prediction is the next album will have a big Latin influence.
Xon
Peter Krahn
> prediction is the next album will have a big Latin influence.
Latin influence??? As much as I'd enjoy such a very odd mix, I don't
think there's a chance in hell of this even crossing Jeff's mind. Until
now, that is.
If he's thinking of venturing off into different directions, I'd think
he'd sooner go retro, with all those vintage instruments, maybe add some
of his own vocals, maybe add some more guitar, maybe even more strings,
I don't know what but he'd probably try something that he grew up with,
but with his own spin on it. Or maybe he'll just speed the music up a
bit and do something like M&C. I do think he'll score a film some day,
but not under the Portishead moniker.
Then again I personally haven't heard one decent band clone their
sound. The only blatant copies have come from bands with no merit. I
think that Portishead will always sound like Portishead, only slightly
mutating over the years, and I welcome this, cause nobody else does it
this well.
Xon
Peter Krahn <p...@web4.net> wrote in message news:38323B...@web4.net...
> Then again I personally haven't heard one decent band clone their
> sound. The only blatant copies have come from bands with no merit. I
> think that Portishead will always sound like Portishead, only slightly
> mutating over the years, and I welcome this, cause nobody else does it
> this well.
Have to agree with you there. Mono, Sneaker Pimps, Moorcheeba, Hooverphonic
and a million other copyists all suck.
Xon
Bejaz
>> Then again I personally haven't heard one decent band clone their
>> sound. The only blatant copies have come from bands with no merit. I
>> think that Portishead will always sound like Portishead, only slightly
>> mutating over the years, and I welcome this, cause nobody else does it
>> this well.
>
>Have to agree with you there. Mono, Sneaker Pimps, Moorcheeba,
Hooverphonic
>and a million other copyists all suck.
Morcheeba doesn't sound like Portishead at al. It's another part of the
whole TripHop thing. Portishead is black, and Morcheeba is white, know what
I mean. They sound totally different.
The Hooverphonic hit "2 Wicky" may sound a bit like Portishead, but I
wouldn't call them a total copycat of Portishead. It may lay a little nearer
Portishead than Morcheeba, but yet.....
You're right about Sneaker Pimps, they suck. Mono I don't know much about.
- Bejaz
Prodigal Frog
>If Morcheeba don't sound anything like Portishead why does every second
>review of Morcheeba mention Portishead? Check out Amazon if you don't
>believe me. I know what you mean about Portishead is black and Morcheeba
is
>white but the way I would explain it is Portishead are good whereas
>Morcheeba are shite.
It's all a difference in atmosphere and sound. Morcheeba have a very warm
sound, bordering on soul. The drum tracks on both their albums have much
more of a sultry, mute feeling. There's a huge blues guitar influence. On
Big Calm, they used a wide variety in instrumentation to great effect. Every
review mentions [P] and Morcheeba together because they both use largely
slow beats, although that's very often not the case with recent Morcheeba
tracks.
>> The Hooverphonic hit "2 Wicky" may sound a bit like Portishead, but I
>> wouldn't call them a total copycat of Portishead. It may lay a little
>nearer
>> Portishead than Morcheeba, but yet.....
>
>Not a total copycat but you've got to wonder where they were before dummy?
Hooverphonic owe much more to the world of orchestral pop than the world of
[P]. 2Wicky is the only track with a similarity, and that's over in a good
30 seconds, when the vocals start. The rhythms and drum tracks are much
faster and more skittish. The vocals on both albums are an icy cool remove,
rather than Beth's anguish. the arrangement are full and lush, rather than
minimalist and harsh.
>> You're right about Sneaker Pimps, they suck.
The Sneaker Pimps embody something else again. A pop-oriented song structure
with much more accessible arrangements, but still with an edgy, harsh
atmosphere. Much more agressive and forward than desperately resigned (as
[P] can be). On the first album, Kelli's vocals gave the group a very pouty,
'teenage-rebellion' aesthetic.
>>Mono I don't know much about.
Mono are seperate as well. Their sound is very basically 60's orchestral
pop(Bacharach, et al.) filtered through 90's electronica. Their arrangements
are lush bordering on kitsch, but ever remaining tasteful. Siobhan's vocals,
again, have an icily detached air, but in a far different sense than Lisje
or Geike of Hooverphonic.
Give artists and albums a good listen before following comparisons by a
reviewer. Look beyond the 'hit single' or the advance press.
-derrick
"Today has never happened, and it doesn't frighten me."
-Bjork, "Alarm Call"
Right now, I'm listening to: mono, "Formica Blues"
Xon
Bejaz <erol...@online.no> wrote in message
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>
> Morcheeba doesn't sound like Portishead at al. It's another part of the
> whole TripHop thing. Portishead is black, and Morcheeba is white, know
what
> I mean. They sound totally different.
If Morcheeba don't sound anything like Portishead why does every second
review of Morcheeba mention Portishead? Check out Amazon if you don't
believe me. I know what you mean about Portishead is black and Morcheeba is
white but the way I would explain it is Portishead are good whereas
Morcheeba are shite.
> The Hooverphonic hit "2 Wicky" may sound a bit like Portishead, but I
> wouldn't call them a total copycat of Portishead. It may lay a little
nearer
> Portishead than Morcheeba, but yet.....
Not a total copycat but you've got to wonder where they were before dummy?
> You're right about Sneaker Pimps, they suck. Mono I don't know much about.
>
I'm sure the record companies are mostly to blame. I can just imagine them
telling bands to write more Portishead style stuff after the success of
Dummy.
Xon
Bejaz
>review of Morcheeba mention Portishead? Check out Amazon if you don't
>believe me.
I believe you, and I know what you're thinking. But both Portishead and
Morcheeba are in the same genre (TripHop), and that's why Morcheeba always i
mentioned. And this does not only count for Amazon, but almost every other
online CD-stores compare MA, [p], Morcheeba, Hoover, Tricky, Björk and DJ
Shadow to eachother. You wouldn't say that [P] and Björk sound the same,
would you? Their sounds are completely different, yet it is listed as a
reference to other bands you "might want to check out if you like
Portishead".
- Bejaz
Dan Cutts
>Have to agree with you there. Mono, Sneaker Pimps, Moorcheeba, Hooverphonic
>and a million other copyists all suck.
>
You are way off base here, Moorcheeba is good, and the others have
their place. Such off the cuff remarks are just in bad taste.
Cheers,
Dan
Peter Krahn
> and a million other copyists all suck.
Hooverphonic and Portishead are polar opposites. One is slow and
mournful, the other is faster and almost happy in comparison.
Hooverphonic's entire purpose is to make a person lose conscienceness,
or at least allow you to enter the world between dreaming and being
fully awake. They go for completely different atmospheres. They're
more of a shoegaze or dreampop band than they a trip-hop act. The only
thing that even closely links the two would be the drums in 2Wicky.
That's all. They both use string orchestras, I guess, but for different
purposes. They're an incredible band.
When I said bands with no merit, I meant stuff that most of us have
never even heard. Bands without record labels, for the most part. And
that's only recently. Back when I first heard the people referring to
all these droves of Portishead rip-off's, a few years ago, I had no idea
who the critics were pointing their fingers at. And I still don't.
But like I said, nobody else can do what they do, and I'm glad you agree
with me.
HC
Xon wrote in message ...
>I've just been listening to downtempo/Trip Hop artists on mp3.com and have
>to say I am sick of Portishead clones. The Portishead sound is well and
>truly played out. The question is where do Portishead go now? My
>prediction is the next album will have a big Latin influence.
>
>Xon
>
>
don patterson
Peter Krahn wrote:
> > The question is where do Portishead go now? My
> > prediction is the next album will have a big Latin influence.
>
> Latin influence??? As much as I'd enjoy such a very odd mix, I don't
> think there's a chance in hell of this even crossing Jeff's mind. Until
> now, that is.
>
> If he's thinking of venturing off into different directions, I'd think
> he'd sooner go retro, with all those vintage instruments, maybe add some
> of his own vocals, maybe add some more guitar, maybe even more strings,
> I don't know what but he'd probably try something that he grew up with,
> but with his own spin on it. Or maybe he'll just speed the music up a
> bit and do something like M&C. I do think he'll score a film some day,
> but not under the Portishead moniker.
>
Otto the Mild
because people who've bought Portishead have also bought Hooverphonic
and Morcheeba. It's an automatic function. I work in publishing. I
know.
As for the customer reviews, I don't see a lot of comparisons going on
there. However, even if there were, it would be a bit daft to say,
"Thou shalt not listen to any other Trip-Hop than Portishead!" That
would get old rather quick with just 2 1/2 albums out (counting the
live one). It doesn't lessen Portishead's influence or prestife to
have other bands be compared to it. It beats the hell out of being
ignored.
"Xon" <Xo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Bejaz <erol...@online.no> wrote in message
>news:m6CY3.12338$1C4.1...@news1.online.no...
>>
>> Morcheeba doesn't sound like Portishead at al. It's another part of the
>> whole TripHop thing. Portishead is black, and Morcheeba is white, know
>what
>> I mean. They sound totally different.
>
>If Morcheeba don't sound anything like Portishead why does every second
>review of Morcheeba mention Portishead? Check out Amazon if you don't
>believe me. I know what you mean about Portishead is black and Morcheeba is
>white but the way I would explain it is Portishead are good whereas
>Morcheeba are shite.
>
>> The Hooverphonic hit "2 Wicky" may sound a bit like Portishead, but I
>> wouldn't call them a total copycat of Portishead. It may lay a little
>nearer
>> Portishead than Morcheeba, but yet.....
>
>Not a total copycat but you've got to wonder where they were before dummy?
>
>> You're right about Sneaker Pimps, they suck. Mono I don't know much about.
>>
>
>I'm sure the record companies are mostly to blame. I can just imagine them
>telling bands to write more Portishead style stuff after the success of
>Dummy.
>
>Xon
>
>
"I stand right on the line that you keep crossing." -Asst. Director Skinner
Otto the Mild
Martin!
Aiee! My brain just popped!
don patterson <goo...@etinternet.net> wrote:
"I stand right on the line that you keep crossing." -Asst. Director Skinner
Prodigal Frog
>
>Otto the Mild <Ot...@Mild.Com> wrote in message
>news:383a0fd0...@news.mindspring.com...
>> Sure! They could replace Beth with Gloria Estefan and Geoff with Ricky
>> Martin!
>>
>> Aiee! My brain just popped!
>
>to check out some good bands like Thievery Corporation or Boozoo Bajou and
>you will start to see that a Latin influence can be a good thing.
While I think Otto was kidding, I do agree with Xon(aside from Hooverphonic,
but that's another point). Ricky Martin et al. are just bad. There's nothing
'latin' about their music.
Although i haven't heard quite enough to judge, I bet the latin influence is
being felt in rhythms and percussion. Most latin music is focused on a solid
'groove', so to speak, around which the piece is based. This is the case
with latin jazz, at least.
-derrick
"Today has never happened, and it doesn't frighten me."
-Bjork, "Alarm Call"
Right now, I'm listening to: Catatonia, "Equally Cursed and Blessed"
Xon
Otto the Mild <Ot...@Mild.Com> wrote in message
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> Sure! They could replace Beth with Gloria Estefan and Geoff with Ricky
> Martin!
>
> Aiee! My brain just popped!
You are too busy listening to commercial shit like Hooverphonic. You need
to check out some good bands like Thievery Corporation or Boozoo Bajou and
you will start to see that a Latin influence can be a good thing.
Crap bands like Miami Sound Machine have given many people a mental block
when it comes to Latin music, however, if you start to check out some of the
more underground bands working in Trip Hop/Downtempo/Acid Jazz you will
notice there is a growing Latin influence.
Remember Portishead came from the underground.
Xon
Xon
Prodigal Frog <prodig...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> Although i haven't heard quite enough to judge, I bet the latin influence
is
> being felt in rhythms and percussion. Most latin music is focused on a
solid
> 'groove', so to speak, around which the piece is based. This is the case
> with latin jazz, at least.
>
boring. Big beat managed to kill breaks. In a search for something
rythmically different I think a lot of underground dance bands are looking
to latin beats many of which are highly influenced by African rythms because
of the large number of African slaves taken to South America by the
Portugese.
However, another Latin influence is the laid back nature of a lot of the
music as well. I think Bossa Nova music is definitely in the same headspace
as a lot of Portishead. Check out some Antonio Carlos Jobim - especially
his Waves album.
Xon
Prodigal Frog
>music as well. I think Bossa Nova music is definitely in the same
headspace
>as a lot of Portishead. Check out some Antonio Carlos Jobim - especially
>his Waves album.
oh, of course. I didn't think of that, but it's obvious. I don't know if
anyone else agrees, but I read something, somewhere, that claimed early EBTG
work was a progenitor of trip-hop. Of course, bossanova was always a large
influence on EBTG. Suzanne Vega, too, who dabbled slightly with both
trip-hop and brazillian bossanova on Nine Objects of Desire.
-derrick
"Today has never happened, and it doesn't frighten me."
-Bjork, "Alarm Call"
Right now, I'm listening to: Bjork, "Joga"
dave gmuer
has always been the soundscape and the intensity. that's what sets them apart!
portishead has already been "straighter" than dummy and to take a wild guess,
i'd say they're moving in a more of a rock direction sort of like sour times on
the live record. that's also the impression i had watching them live. and i'd
definitely be looking forward to that!
Otto the Mild wrote:
palcom
a new technical term?) and are copycats, just isn't listening hard enough.
They're both talented, the Pimps may be even better now that they lost Kelli
Dayton. While reviews do often feature mentions of other bands, be careful
not to confuse "influenced by" with "copy." To do so would prove moronic.
Xon
palcom <pal...@acay.com.au> wrote in message
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Sneaker Pimps, Moorcheeba, Mono and Hooverphonic are commercial dross. They
may not be exact copies of Portishead but I bet they were signed by A&R men
looking to get a Portishead type band on their roster. Portishead are
originators, the aforementioned bands are followers. Don't waste your time
listening to the followers, seek out other originators.
Xon
palcom
i don't give a shit if they "followed" portishead, just so long as their
music is definable by myself as "good" (another technical term to match
"sucks"). Obviously, portishead are great but their catalogue is limited...
and when you use that up, you go for the next best thing. There's no such
thing as a truly original group, or song, these days, so it's not worth
looking for.
Andreas Moss
They
>may not be exact copies of Portishead but I bet they were signed by A&R men
>looking to get a Portishead type band on their roster. Portishead are
>originators, the aforementioned bands are followers. Don't waste your time
>listening to the followers, seek out other originators.
Sneaker Pimps sounds nothing like Portishead these days.
Thad Jantzi
bands you like, because 20 years from now they won't be deemed good!
Xon <X...@xoff.com> wrote in message
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> >
> Your attitude is playing right into the hands of big record companies and
> their marketing stooges. They love people like you, as long as they keep
> pumping out "trip hop" you'll lap it up. You say your criteria is that
the
> music is "good" but your perception of good is clouded by marketing hype
and
> the desire to live up to some media created image. In the grand scheme of
> things Sneaker Pimps and Moorcheeba will not be deemed "good" music. In
20
> years people will still be seeking out Portishead but Sneaker Pimps and
> Moorcheeba CDs will end up as land fill along with Aqua, Five, Backstreet
> Boys and all the other record industry puppet bands.
Xon
interesting things, sure they may be fusions or tweaks of things that have
gone before but they are forging new sounds in the same way Portishead did.
Also, there is no reason to confine your shopping to current artists. You
could check out some of the bands that influenced Portishead. There is a
huge amount of excellent music that gets neglected by the media because it
wasn't released in the last year.
Your attitude is playing right into the hands of big record companies and
their marketing stooges. They love people like you, as long as they keep
pumping out "trip hop" you'll lap it up. You say your criteria is that the
music is "good" but your perception of good is clouded by marketing hype and
the desire to live up to some media created image. In the grand scheme of
things Sneaker Pimps and Moorcheeba will not be deemed "good" music. In 20
years people will still be seeking out Portishead but Sneaker Pimps and
Moorcheeba CDs will end up as land fill along with Aqua, Five, Backstreet
Boys and all the other record industry puppet bands.
Xon
Xon
Thad Jantzi <wat...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Xon, you are SO cool it makes me shudder. Hey, Palcom... don't listen to
the
> bands you like, because 20 years from now they won't be deemed good!
They're not even good now. My point is you are tricked into thinking they
are good by marketing. They sell you this shit on the back of something
that actually is good. Trip hop started off as something good then
marketing leeches came along and sucked the life out of it and turned it
into a soundtrack for hip 20 something's so they could market them
hamburgers, clothes and an image.
The reason I mentioned 20 years is that is about the period of time required
for the marketing hype to wear off and any media bullshit about that decade
to wear off. Remember how bad the 80s seemed in the 90s but now there is a
resurgence of interest in the 80s?
Music from the 60s, 70s and 80s has to rest on its own merits. It doesn't
have a marketing machine pushing it. Record companies only want you to buy
current stuff because that means they can focus their marketing. They love
to categorise people into neat categories. They want you to buy the right
magazines and watch the right television shows so you will see their
expensive adverts for products you need to meet their image. Record
companies can handle Portishead fans buying Sneaker Pimps and Moorcheeba.
They can't deal with Portishead fans buying John Coltrane, Tarwater and
Debussy.
The sad thing is mindless drones like you and Palcom even rush to the
defense of the image that marketing has brainwashed you into following.
Record companies love people like you, I bet if you listed your favourite
bands it would be a predictable batch of shit that you have been fed by the
marketing machine.
Xon
Thad Jantzi
Whether or not Morcheeba and Sneaker Pimps are groundbreaking pioneers
in the trip-hop field or blatant Portishead ripoffs aimed at a target
demographic by some lofty marketing entity is IRRELEVANT. Both I and Palcom
have the ability to make up our minds about whether or not we like a band,
and it seems that neither of us are concerned about fitting into some cool
'Indie' image. If I want to listen to bullshit manufactured bands like Spice
Girls or Backstreet Boys because I think their music is good, then that is
reason enough to do so, regardless of HOW or WHY that music exists.
The attitude you exemplify is typical of a culture that exists now of
people who are SO cool and cutting edge that they will dislike the
mainstream for the very sake of it. This 'faux-counter-culture' is so
pervasive now that it's getting to the point where it's almost become the
mainstream. If I walk into an indie record store now there are so many
people with piercings and blue hair that they're no longer different...
THEY'RE the ones who are the same.
What I'm saying is that you've lost the ability to judge music SOLELY on
it's own merit, but rather some kind of evaluation of whether or not
listening to it is all 'counter-culture' and hip.
>>I bet if you listed your favourite
>> bands it would be a predictable batch of shit that you have been fed by
the
>> marketing machine.
Here they are, Xon. Bear in mind, though, that they're not on this list
because I think it'll look cool posting it to alt.music.portishead - they're
on the list because I like them, and NO other reason.
Frank Sinatra (above all), Pulp, Portishead, Phish, Blue Rodeo,
Pavement, R.E.M., Supertramp, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Peter Gabriel,
Midnight Oil, Belle & Sebastian, Chicago, Stereolab, Neil Diamond, The
Clash, Dave Brubeck, Stan Getz, Duran Duran, Talking Heads, Velvet
Underground, Björk, Gordon Lightfoot... this is a cursory list, there are
many more.
I don't like The Backstreet Boys, but it's not because they're a
marketing machine, it's because they suck. I like Star Wars, and I liked
Episode One. I don't have an earring, I'm not a vegetarian, I buy secondhand
clothes because they're cheap. I like the Spice Girls, I like Seinfeld and I
play with Lego. I use Internet Explorer because it's a better browser than
Netscape, and I don't feel the need to piss on Microsoft.
What I'm trying to say is that I make my own decisions on what I like
based on the things themselves, not on some kind of 'I'm cooler than you for
knowing what to like' type of perception, and I daresay Palcom does the
same.
So don't call me and him 'mindless drones', all right? Because, quite
frankly, I think the mindless drone is obviously you.
> Xon <X...@xoff.com> wrote in message
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> Xon
>
>
>
Xon
> The attitude you exemplify is typical of a culture that exists now of
> people who are SO cool and cutting edge that they will dislike the
> mainstream for the very sake of it.
When did I ever say I disliked the mainstream? I like Portishead and
Massive Attack, that is pretty mainstream. One of my favourite albums is
Herbie Hancock's "Headhunters", the biggest selling jazz album at the time -
pretty mainstream stuff. I don't have blue hair or piercings, I'm a 33 year
old person in a suit - probably the most mainstream sort of person you could
imagine.
> What I'm saying is that you've lost the ability to judge music SOLELY on
> it's own merit, but rather some kind of evaluation of whether or not
> listening to it is all 'counter-culture' and hip.
Hello, you are arguing exactly the same point as me. The blue haired
pierced people are just as deluded by marketing as groovy trip hop 20
somethings wearing their Gap clothes.
> Frank Sinatra (above all), Pulp, Portishead, Phish, Blue Rodeo,
> Pavement, R.E.M., Supertramp, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Peter Gabriel,
> Midnight Oil, Belle & Sebastian, Chicago, Stereolab, Neil Diamond, The
> Clash, Dave Brubeck, Stan Getz, Duran Duran, Talking Heads, Velvet
> Underground, Björk, Gordon Lightfoot... this is a cursory list, there are
> many more.
>
Well, that is a pretty cool and diverse list and I'm sorry for judging you
to be a mindless trip hop drone. But back to the orginal point - Moorcheeba
and Sneaker Pimps are not good. I notice they don't figure on your list?
Xon
Peter Krahn
for all, how Hooverphonic is a Portishead rip-off, without using 2Wicky
as an example. I can see how somebody could calously make that
assumption based on that one song, but they have at least 25 others.
Their strongest influences include The Cocteau Twins, Slowdive, and My
Bloody Valentine, not Portishead. Huh?
Xon
Peter Krahn <p...@web4.net> wrote in message news:38BDD2...@web4.net...
Sorry, did I say Hooverphonic were a rip off of Portishead? I said they
weren't good, I said they weren't originators, I said they were commercial
dross. If you don't think Hooverphonic get lumped into the whole "trip hop"
genre then I think you're living in denial.
Sometimes I wonder if this is the Portishead newsgroup the way people are so
quick to defend Hooverphonic, Moorcheeba and Sneaker Pimps.
Xon
Peter Krahn
> quick to defend Hooverphonic, Moorcheeba and Sneaker Pimps.
I'll tell you why, because fans of their music are usually very open
minded people that are driven towards music. We like all sorts. As
long as you just don't like Hooverphonic, I'm fine with that. But
you've implied a couple of times that they were commercial Portishead
drones. I don't even think that they have all that many fans, but those
that are are very loyal. And Skye from M-o-r-cheeba has a very smoky
and remarkable voice, I love it.
Nothing against your personal taste, I happen to like all the music on
your list, but it seems to me that you're just being negative and trying
to discipline others. It's ok to say negative things about music you
don't care for, as long as a person is willing to discuss reasonably the
points they disagree with. But you're just saying that they're boring,
unoriginal, and overhyped. Why? The voice? You don't like the
rhythms? It can't be the melodies, they're among the most exotic I've
ever heard. Give us specific reasons if you want some respect.
Olivewater
palcom
Who the fuck does xon think he is?
I haven't been using newsgroups for a while, but now I come back to a group
for a band that I love, and for expressing an opinion about another band I
am gunned down because the almighty Xon does not approve.
So how exactly did Sir Xon get into my brain, search my thought database,
and discover that I only like these bands because they've been marketed to
twenty-somethings?
Got news for you, Xonny, I ain't even twenty yet. There goes that crack
theory.
Maybe, just maybe, I like groups like Sneaker Pimps and Morcheeba (not that
I'm a HUGE fan, I just like them) because (and this might shock you Xonboy)
I ACTUALLY LIKE THEIR MUSIC!!!
So you say it's crap. Fine. Your opinion is sacred to me, little Xon. But I
won't have my opinion being written off as "influenced by marketing" because
that's really just a heap of bullshit. I hear something, I like it, I buy
it. End of story (a story that even a five-year-old could grasp)
So blow the snot out of your upturned nose, Xonny baby, and come down from
your fucking pedestal. Maybe these bands won't be recognised in twenty years
as Portishead will be, but seriously, who the hell gives a damn (and also
has a life)? Do you base all your music tastes on if they'll be popular in
two decades?
Wouldn't surprise me.
Got that off my chest, am feeling better.
Oh, and I won't name which bands I like because there are so many of them. I
love ninety percent of all music.
Even if it won't be popular in the year 2020.
Dan Cutts
>
>Well, that is a pretty cool and diverse list and I'm sorry for judging you
>to be a mindless trip hop drone. But back to the orginal point - Moorcheeba
>and Sneaker Pimps are not good. I notice they don't figure on your list?
>
>Xon
>
I hate to break into such a retarded debate, but Morcheeba is great, I
don't really care for the Sneaker Pimps, although Palcom is right the
new album is much, much better.
You should listen to the albums perhaps. Not just dismiss them as
derivitive.
Mindless Trip-hop drone, is there such a thing?
I really hate to get into a musical pissing contest, so I will say
this.
Who really cares if you hate bands, give us references to bands you
like, way more constructive.
Cheers,
Dan
Dan Cutts
filter him out. I mean you both like portishead, you got one thing in
common. He can't be all bad.
Cheers,
Dan
PS you are under 20, well I say you got him there too.
On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:39:27 +1100, "palcom" <pal...@acay.com.au>
wrote:
Thad Jantzi
Morcheeba. I like the Spice Girls. This altercation is serving no purpose (I
fear soon it will no longer entertain me, and then I shall post no more.)
Xon <X...@xoff.com> wrote in message
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>
> palcom <pal...@acay.com.au> wrote in message
> news:38be6...@news.acay.com.au...
> > But I
> > won't have my opinion being written off as "influenced by marketing"
> because
> > that's really just a heap of bullshit. I hear something, I like it, I
buy
> > it. End of story (a story that even a five-year-old could grasp)
>
> You should have a good understanding of what a five year old can grasp, it
> sounds like that is about your level of reasoning. If marketing has no
> effect why do you think record companies spend billions doing it? Your
> simple equation of I like it therefore I buy it doesn't hold up. You
don't
> have unlimited time or money so you need to be discretionary in what you
> purchase and listen to.
>
> The trick to good marketing is to make you feel that you aren't being
> marketed to. Nobody is going to buy music if they know they were
influenced
> by marketing. The trick to good marketing is to ease into your mind and
> make you think it really was your decision to buy that Sneaker Pimps
record.
>
> If you are under 20 then you are prime meat for marketing. You probably
> haven't developed your sense of self enough to decide what you actually
> like. Under 20s are notoriously image conscious and heavily influenced by
> peer pressure. Are you going to tell me that music doesn't figure at all
in
> your self image?
>
> > Oh, and I won't name which bands I like because there are so many of
them.
> I
> > love ninety percent of all music.
>
> Well 90% of all music is shit, so as I would expect you must like a lot of
> shit. I think it is ridiculous to say you like 90% of all music, you are
> probably lucky if you have even heard .01% of all the music that exists in
> the world. Are you saying you like 90% of all classical, jazz, country &
> western, reggae, new age, african, latin, indonesian, japanese, chinese,
> techno, gabber, house, electro, rap, jungle, blues, gospel, rock, pop,
heavy
> metal, death metal, hardcore, grunge, ambient and folk? What you probably
> mean is you like 90% of the music you hear on your homogenized favourite
> radio station (let me guess JJJ?).
>
> Xon
>
>
>
>
Brian Gonzales
certain groups. Who am I to judge who is following and leading, its all opinion,
ears decide what music is good not newsgroup posts.
Originators? how far back do you want to go? Coltrane,Holiday,Gilberto lets go
even further.
How about that cave man hitting a rock with a stick, every artist who has
percussion in their music owes this dude some respect.
I happen to like Portishead and all the groups Xon has labeled followers.
Brian
http://www.dallas.net/~bboy
Xon wrote:
> Sneaker Pimps, Moorcheeba, Mono and Hooverphonic are commercial dross. Don't
> waste your time listening to the followers, seek out other originators.
>
> Xon
Xon
Xon
Brian Gonzales <bb...@dallas.net> wrote in message
news:38BF1303...@dallas.net...
> Huh? Followers really of what? I never say to anyone "dont waste time" on
> certain groups. Who am I to judge who is following and leading, its all
opinion,
> ears decide what music is good not newsgroup posts.
>
Okay Brian read this slowly. I realise you are having trouble keeping up.
Obviously people and their ears decide whether music is good. My whole
point is that the concept of "good" gets clouded by media and marketing
bullshit for music that is deemed current. Music that is good will stand
the test of time, music that is gimmicky, faddish or hyped up will be
forgotten.
> Originators? how far back do you want to go? Coltrane,Holiday,Gilberto
lets go
> even further.
>
What is your point? John Coltrane, Billie Holiday and Joao Gilberto all
have made excellent music which you would be better off seeking out than
some warmed over, rehashed shit like Sneaker Pimps. Go back as far as you
want. There is excellent classical music. There are beautiful Gregorian
chants.
> How about that cave man hitting a rock with a stick, every artist who has
> percussion in their music owes this dude some respect.
>
How do you know this music existed or what it sounded like? We can't be
influenced by music that wasn't written down or recorded. Therefore the
furthest back we could go would be the first music written down which was
plainsongs, or Gregorian chants.
> I happen to like Portishead and all the groups Xon has labeled followers.
>
You have also displayed your stupidity and ignorance which reinforces my
argument that Sneaker Pimps and Moorcheeba are good music for stupid,
ignorant folks.
Xon
Peter Krahn
the blind, but maybe somebody will finally get through to you.
About influences. Hildegaard Von Bingen was brilliant and influenced
many. And yes, somebody wrote her music down. But who influenced her?
The first written music was influenced by something. Like the man was
saying, it all goes back to the first remnants of rhythm. The same way
that Edison owes something to the guy who sparked the first fire. It's
an evolutionary process, and you can't just start at one point in time
unless you go ALL the way back.
We all get that you have this paranoid conspiracy theory about the music
industry's marketing strategies, so give it a rest. Obviously nobody
likes everything, although if somebody says they like 90% of all music,
I'm guessing that the person listens to a wide variety and that the
number is an average. Some people actually do enjoy most music, because
they have the capability to appreciate it on different levels. I don't
expect you to understand this. Like so many others you think that you
have perfect taste.
And who the hell is Moorcheeba?
Xon
Peter Krahn <p...@web4.net> wrote in message news:38BF45...@web4.net...
> This is just too good to ignore. I don't usually like trying to lead
> the blind, but maybe somebody will finally get through to you.
>
What exactly are your trying to get through to me? That Sneaker Pimps is
good music? I will never believe that.
> About influences. Hildegaard Von Bingen was brilliant and influenced
> many. And yes, somebody wrote her music down. But who influenced her?
> The first written music was influenced by something. Like the man was
> saying, it all goes back to the first remnants of rhythm. The same way
> that Edison owes something to the guy who sparked the first fire. It's
> an evolutionary process, and you can't just start at one point in time
> unless you go ALL the way back.
>
That is crap. If no music ever existed previously people would still
discover the laws of rhythm and harmony. Music works because of fundamental
mathematics and physics. As long as we live in this universe the laws will
uphold. Do you know that our society is one of the few where music is used
purely for entertainment? Especially in primitive societies music has
sacred spiritual significance. This is because it is directly tied into the
universe and therefore whatever deity you wish to worship.
> We all get that you have this paranoid conspiracy theory about the music
> industry's marketing strategies, so give it a rest.
Its not a paranoid conspiracy theory. Open up a magazine, watch television,
go to a movie and it is there in your face. This isn't aliens at Roswell
stuff, it is day to day living. Let me guess you work in marketing? Why do
you think Portishead didn't sign to a major?
> Like so many others you think that you
> have perfect taste.
>
When did I say I have perfect taste? I don't expect you to like the things
I like.
> And who the hell is Moorcheeba?
You're either anally retentive or stupid if you can't work that one out.
Either way it doesn't lend much credibility to your argument.
If you are so smart tell me what you consider bad music to be, why it is bad
and then tell me why those rules don't apply to Sneaker Pimps?
Xon
Xon
Olivewater <olive...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> no offense, but get real
No offense taken. I don't even understand your point. Are you denying
Sneaker Pimps and Moooorcheeeeba suck? Are you denying that the multi
national record company marketing machines spend billions to program
consumers into being their record buying slaves? Why was Sneaker Pimps 6
Underground featured in the movie The Saint? It was totally inappropriate
for the scene from a soundtrack perspective.
Xon
Peter Krahn
If you want to reasonably discuss this further, lets please take it
outside.
Olivewater
point, keep your opinions to yourself, because when you start trying to press
them onto other people you are going to get responses like this, after all,
what is the point of trying to convince people that you are right and we are
wrong, it doesnt work that way. Regardless of what group comes out now, as long
as they come out after portishead and make it 'big' (i use this term loosely)
you're still gonna say their are some marketing idea by businessmen, blah blah
blah
its called stupidity
Aeon blue
You are so full of shit that it hurts. You come on here harassing
people for not trying to be as cool and indie as you simply because they like
bands that are on major labels that you do not enjoy.
well here is a news flash for you genius boy. Portishead is on a Major Label.
Go Beat/London is Owned by Polygram, which is the second largest music label in
the world. Portishead's first album had over 3 million in marketing behind it,
radio/tv ads, music videos etc etc. You don't think "to kill a dead man" made
tiself do you?
Give it a rest. You don't think you are a marketing sucker like the rest
of us? The reason why Polygram uses label names like Go Beat, London, Matador,
Shadow records, etc is to sell products to pompous elitists like yourself who
are too cool to like something that too many others might enjoy. Then you
wouldn't get to feel so damned unique and better than everyone else. Portishead
is owned by the same people who own the backstreet boys for Christ Sake!
Portishead left the indie label they started with (Mowax) because they
wanted to make more money, and for that you need the marketing muscle of a
major label. They admited this themselves when they were being interviewed on
MTV (oh the horror). You are just like the rest of us. A marketing sucker.
There is a great textbook entitled Anti-Marketing by garrette belanger.
It describes how companies spend Billions annually to attract people like
yourself to products. You are not some enlightened soul in a wasteland of
stupid people. YOU ARE JUST LIKE THE REST OF US.
So, if you don't think a band has talent don't buy their albums. But
don't spend all day online, like it appears you do, trying to convince people
that they are stupid for liking music that you are too cool to enjoy. IT'S JUST
MUSIC AFTERALL!!!!!!!
Blue
Loz Pycock
Tell you what, let's stop even pretending to have an argument and
start calling each other names. You're all a bunch of bastards! See,
much better. Your turn...
Loz.
#23- Progress [n] & [v]: To find new ways to fuck up.
"I don't like this day it makes me feel so small,
I don't like these days they make me feel too small."
'Birthday', Blur
- Dux -
It's all in the marketing, don't you know...
Xon <X...@xoff.com> wrote in message
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palcom
It was on the radio that I first heard the song "underground 6" by sneaker
pimps, and, a short time later also heard "spin spin sugar." I had no other
knowledge about the group at all, and had only heard two songs, a couple of
times each. I bought the album without so much as seeing an ad in a
magazine.
So where exactly does marketing fit into that? I'm not denying that
inevitably some people would have been reached by marketing and advertising,
but I find it hard to place in my situation. Subliminal messages in radio
waves, perhaps?
Now, while you insult my intelligence based purely on the fact that I
haven't yet made my transition from being just a nineteen-year-old, have a
long hard think. Only somebody a few years younger, or with a much lower
intelligence level (trust me, I'm no dummy) actually would buy music based
on marketting (cue backstreet/spice/n'sync) or peer pressure (hey, my
brother is a victim of that so I know that it happens).
But, as I said, I have enough intelligence to form my own opinion, and my
friends generally hate the kind of music I like, so it's not peer pressure.
Face it, Xon, I like the music. You don't. End of story. (again)
So how do you know that you're not being affected by this marketing? You
yourself said that you're not supposed to know that it's reaching you.
You're human too, I assume, thus making you susceptible.
But of course I'm discretionary in what I buy! Why would I buy something I
didn't like? Everybody shows discretion with every purchase they make. That
argument is obsolete.
I will tell you that music doesn't figure in my self image. I listen to
everything I can get my hands on. Of course, you pointed out the obvious,
and I agree: I haven't listened to every bit of music in the history of the
earth, not even a small percentage. But, I listen to every genre, from every
place and era of recorded music. I know what I like, and I can say from what
I've sampled that I do like 90%, roughly. You say that it is vice versa,
that 90% is crap. I pity you. You are a cynic beyond salvation. If you
honestly think that, you're not letting it talk to you.
As a last word (for this occasion), yes, it was JJJ. Not to say that I only
listen to JJJ, but it may be worth pointing out that the same station that
introduced me to Sneaker Pimps was the same that introduced me to
Portishead, which has somewhat higher rotation... pretty strange for a
"homogenized station" to do that, don't you think, if Portishead are the
last bastion of what is independant in this world???
over and out,
look forward to the next round
Xon wrote in message ...
Ursula 1k
Aeon blue <aeon...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
news:20000304001645...@ng-ci1.aol.com...
> hey Xon,
> There is a great textbook entitled Anti-Marketing by garrette
belanger.
> It describes how companies spend Billions annually to attract people like
> yourself to products. You are not some enlightened soul in a wasteland of
> stupid people. YOU ARE JUST LIKE THE REST OF US.
> So, if you don't think a band has talent don't buy their albums.
But
> don't spend all day online, like it appears you do, trying to convince
people
> that they are stupid for liking music that you are too cool to enjoy. IT'S
JUST
> MUSIC AFTERALL!!!!!!!
>
Bravo, this has got to be Xon trolling. Note the way his arguments are
restated but made to look like an attack on him. Classic trolling strategy.
I also like the way the "poster" illustrates Xon's point about people being
marketing slaves by admitting they are one themselves.
Ursual 1k
Aeon blue
that EVERYONE is marketed to.
XOn seems to think that only stupid people are the ones who follow marketing.
palcom
where is he? I almost miss him...
Xon, if you're out there, please make your step in continuing our symbiotic
relationship
Dave
being someone else.
Peter Krahn
> > that EVERYONE is marketed to.
> > XOn seems to think that only stupid people are the ones who follow marketing.
He's obviously not Xon. His argument uses actual reasoning, and I agree
with all the points. I did not know that [P] and the B-Boys were owned
by the same people, something that I find very amusing, and goes to show
that you can't make money if you want to be indie. Take Splashdown, for
expample. Amazing band. Their own record label. What did they go and
do? They went signed with Java, who declared that they release their
upcoming album when there was an appropriate "window", marketing-wise,
which happens to be an entire year after which it was originally
recorded. But, this way, they'll actually be able to make a comfortable
living at what they love best, and hopefully be able to make a couple of
videos that do justice to the songs. It's always a give-and-take when
it comes to business. Without these huge dollars we'd never've had
'Only You', or 'Teardrop', or any of these other incredible four-minute
films.
Sorry for the lecture, I'm just trying to agree with somebody and I'm
bored.
Thad Jantzi
Xon
Aeon blue <aeon...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
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> hey Xon,
harassing
> people for not trying to be as cool and indie as you simply because they
like
> bands that are on major labels that you do not enjoy.
You missed my point Aeon. I'm not criticising those bands because they are
on majors, I am criticising them because they are no good. One of my
favourite albums of last year was Ray of Light by Madonna, I don't see how
that makes me an elitist.
> well here is a news flash for you genius boy. Portishead is on a Major
Label.
> Go Beat/London is Owned by Polygram, which is the second largest music
label in
> the world. Portishead's first album had over 3 million in marketing behind
it,
> radio/tv ads, music videos etc etc. You don't think "to kill a dead man"
made
> tiself do you?
Thanks for reinforcing my argument. My point was the reason that Portishead
is not signed directly to Polygram is to give them cred. A point which you
agree with. Go Beat exists purely as a marketing tool to make the groups on
it seem "kewl".
> Give it a rest. You don't think you are a marketing sucker like the
rest
> of us?
I never said I wasn't a marketing sucker. I bought the first Smiths album
(within weeks of release) because of marketing hype and ended up selling it
within months because I realised it was shite. Probably 30% of music I buy
I end up regretting and cursing those marketing bastards.
> Portishead is owned by the same people who own the backstreet boys for
Christ Sake!
Yes, and they are all owned by the Illuminati anyway. Don't forget I'm not
saying Portishead are good because they are indie (I'm not that stupid). I
am saying Portishead are good, full stop whereas Sneaker Pimps aren't good
(which is not to say they can't release the occassional good song).
Xon
Xon
> Xon, you really have been watching too much X Files.
> It was on the radio that I first heard the song "underground 6" by sneaker
> pimps, and, a short time later also heard "spin spin sugar." I had no
other
> knowledge about the group at all, and had only heard two songs, a couple
of
> times each. I bought the album without so much as seeing an ad in a
> magazine.
> So where exactly does marketing fit into that? I'm not denying that
> inevitably some people would have been reached by marketing and
advertising,
> but I find it hard to place in my situation. Subliminal messages in radio
> waves, perhaps?
It is more complex than that. Aeon Blue has mentioned a book you could read
if you want to know all the tricks. As I said before the trick is in making
not realise you've been conned. These things can be as subtle as packaging,
the names of tracks, what did the DJ say when the announced the songs etc.
> So how do you know that you're not being affected by this marketing? You
> yourself said that you're not supposed to know that it's reaching you.
As I have mentioned in another post I know I am suckered too. I'm
frequently making trips to sell stuff at the second hand store that turned
out to be a polished turd (for example Unkle "Psyence Fiction"). In the
case of Sneaker Pimps, Morcheeba, Mono and Hooverphonic I can see through
the deception. Please note, this does not mean that I think all songs by
these bands are rubbish. They have all put out one or two decent tracks, I
just don't think they have the musical abilities of Portishead.
> I will tell you that music doesn't figure in my self image. I listen to
> everything I can get my hands on. Of course, you pointed out the obvious,
> and I agree: I haven't listened to every bit of music in the history of
the
> earth, not even a small percentage. But, I listen to every genre, from
every
> place and era of recorded music. I know what I like, and I can say from
what
> I've sampled that I do like 90%, roughly. You say that it is vice versa,
> that 90% is crap. I pity you. You are a cynic beyond salvation.
If you don't believe me go over to mp3.com and start working your way up
from the bottom of the charts. Tell me when you hit something that you
would deem good. I bet it won't be after the first 10%, you won't start
hearing the good stuff until you get within about 10% of the top. I don't
know if you have any conception of how much music gets made. By the time
something gets to your ears on the radio it has been through all sorts of
hurdles. The vast majority of music never even gets released, it just ends
up as demos. There are literally millions of piss weak wannabes toiling
away over their half assed copies of something good. I bet even on this
small ng there are at least 10 people involved in some piss weak Portishead
copy.
You do not have enough time left in your life to even listen to the entire
recorded musical output of a small country like Jamaica. When you look at
it like that you have to be ultra discretionary in what you listen to. I'm
not a cynic, I'm a realist and I don't want to waste my time listening to
Sneaker Pimps when I could be checking some Donald Byrd.
> As a last word (for this occasion), yes, it was JJJ. Not to say that I
only
> listen to JJJ, but it may be worth pointing out that the same station that
> introduced me to Sneaker Pimps was the same that introduced me to
> Portishead, which has somewhat higher rotation... pretty strange for a
> "homogenized station" to do that, don't you think, if Portishead are the
> last bastion of what is independant in this world???
For funk's sake. I never said Portishead were good because they are indie.
I realise Portishead are huge now. I also realise Portishead have been
adopted by the "alternative rock" (a term which is a joke) crowd that JJJ so
nicely panders to. JJJ is homogenized. It is a "commercial alternative
rock" station, it is designed to make kids thinks they are cool and
rebellious whilst really subjugating them. Corporations would much rather
sell you Silverchair CDs, baggy trousers and skate shirts than have you do
anything as horrifying as think for yourself. Back in the good old days JJJ
would actually play good stuff that was on import, now guess what (apart
from specialist shows) they just play stuff you can go and buy at K-Mart
(Wal Mart in US). If JJJ was really what it pretends to be it would be
playing Fourtet, 2 Banks of Four, Tarwater, Earthbound and Rainer Truby but
those bands aren't on local labels that feed JJJ so they don't.
Xon
Aeon blue
occasionally post on topics. I mostly just try to gather info and meet other
fans, but occasionally get sucked in these cat fights for some reason. :)
Michael
Olivewater
repeating over and over you dont like those bands, we get the point (you're
still not special)
Ursula 1k
Xon gets the award for most posting to the ng this fortnight.
Xon gets the award for most annoying person in the ng this fortnight.
Xon gets the Ursula 1k Special Prize for being the only person with the guts
to admit Sneaker Pimps are crap.
I think that makes Xon special.
Ursula 1k
palcom
>It is more complex than that. Aeon Blue has mentioned a book you could
read
>if you want to know all the tricks. As I said before the trick is in
making
>not realise you've been conned. These things can be as subtle as
packaging,
>the names of tracks, what did the DJ say when the announced the songs etc.
>
Well, I can't help thinking that it's funny that you mention Aeon Blue...
but I'll keep that to myself. Sure, maybe there is subliminal stuff there,
maybe it worked on me. But, on top of everything else, and I still insist
that this is the bottom line, I LIKE THE MUSIC. I know you don't and if you
want to judge me by that, fine.
>
>As I have mentioned in another post I know I am suckered too. I'm
>frequently making trips to sell stuff at the second hand store that turned
>out to be a polished turd (for example Unkle "Psyence Fiction"). In the
>case of Sneaker Pimps, Morcheeba, Mono and Hooverphonic I can see through
>the deception. Please note, this does not mean that I think all songs by
>these bands are rubbish. They have all put out one or two decent tracks, I
>just don't think they have the musical abilities of Portishead.
>
I also did not say that they have the abilities of Portis either. Portishead
self title would have to be the most brilliantly depressing album I have
ever heard, and I'm a sucker for that attitude, so I love it. Don't worry,
they are superior... just not the undisputed kings, is all.
>
>If you don't believe me go over to mp3.com and start working your way up
>from the bottom of the charts. Tell me when you hit something that you
>would deem good. I bet it won't be after the first 10%, you won't start
>hearing the good stuff until you get within about 10% of the top. I don't
>know if you have any conception of how much music gets made. By the time
>something gets to your ears on the radio it has been through all sorts of
>hurdles. The vast majority of music never even gets released, it just ends
>up as demos. There are literally millions of piss weak wannabes toiling
>away over their half assed copies of something good. I bet even on this
>small ng there are at least 10 people involved in some piss weak Portishead
>copy.
>
Ok, point taken there. How can I say 90% if I haven't heard that much? So
I'll just leave it at 90% of what I've heard, which is still a huge fucking
lot, if you consider my relatively brief time on this planet. Come on, most
people my age are listening to what their friends listen to and nothing
else. But not me.
>You do not have enough time left in your life to even listen to the entire
>recorded musical output of a small country like Jamaica. When you look at
>it like that you have to be ultra discretionary in what you listen to. I'm
>not a cynic, I'm a realist and I don't want to waste my time listening to
>Sneaker Pimps when I could be checking some Donald Byrd.
>
Each to their own... but I have to say that most reggae would probably fall
into my proverbial 10%!
>
>For funk's sake. I never said Portishead were good because they are indie.
>I realise Portishead are huge now. I also realise Portishead have been
>adopted by the "alternative rock" (a term which is a joke) crowd that JJJ
so
>nicely panders to. JJJ is homogenized. It is a "commercial alternative
>rock" station, it is designed to make kids thinks they are cool and
>rebellious whilst really subjugating them. Corporations would much rather
>sell you Silverchair CDs, baggy trousers and skate shirts than have you do
>anything as horrifying as think for yourself. Back in the good old days
JJJ
>would actually play good stuff that was on import, now guess what (apart
>from specialist shows) they just play stuff you can go and buy at K-Mart
>(Wal Mart in US). If JJJ was really what it pretends to be it would be
>playing Fourtet, 2 Banks of Four, Tarwater, Earthbound and Rainer Truby but
>those bands aren't on local labels that feed JJJ so they don't.
>
Yes, I know that JJJ isn't the most alternative thing around (not that I
even believe that there is such a thing as alternative) but you have to
admit that it is light years ahead of anything else in this country. I know
how they select their songs there, and it does basically come down to the
choice of a couple of VIPs. It's fucked, but nobody else does better... yet.
I am studying radio at University at the mo, and I've had experience DJing
for a community station, so I know how the whole thing works.
Sad the way the music industry has gone downhill...
Apologies for the taunting in advance (see upthread) but my ISP hadn't
uploaded the NG properly
Xon
> Each to their own... but I have to say that most reggae would probably
fall
> into my proverbial 10%!
>
What about dub? Have you heard any King Tubby or Lee Scratch Perry? I
can't believe someone with such broad taste wouldn't dig these guys. As you
say, each to his own.
> Yes, I know that JJJ isn't the most alternative thing around (not that I
> even believe that there is such a thing as alternative)
The alternative is to try and think for yourself, not be influenced by the
corporate marketing bullshit. When I first listened to JJJ they would play
808 State, Janet Jackson, the Pixies, Public Image Limited and King Crimson
all back to back. They had no regard for what was current or any scenes,
they just played good music. They didn't try to sell you t-shirts and caps
either.
> but you have to
> admit that it is light years ahead of anything else in this country.
Personally I think the community and uni stations are better. Unfortunately
they can't offer music all day which makes it hard to leave your radio tuned
to them unless you dig documentaries about lesbian leper aboriginals or how
to recylce.
> Sad the way the music industry has gone downhill...
Aye. Hopefully MP3s and net radio will give all the Sony's and media barons
a good kick up the arse. Viva la revolution.
Xon
Aeon blue
>a good kick up the arse. Viva la revolution.
until people have to pay for them. Then the mp3 fad will die off. People only
like mp3's because it allows them to steal from artists. The real shift in the
industry is going to be a band's ability to market themselves over the web like
the November Project is doing...
Gregory Neil Bastow
: Yes, I know that JJJ isn't the most alternative thing around (not that I
: even believe that there is such a thing as alternative) but you have to
: admit that it is light years ahead of anything else in this country.
Depends which part of the country you are in, really. In general, though,
we don't have a big enough market far stations devoted to one particular
style (and hence able to pick the best of that style, not the
radio-foremost, since anyone listening will want to hear the best)
In Perth we have RTR which has about an hour a week of a lot of different
genres - a hundred completely different types of music, so that when you
turn it on, you could hear absolutely anything, but you _won't_ hear
crap, because there is little or no pressure to play crap.
-Greg
Xon
Aeon blue <aeon...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
size. One band I like (Sofa Surfers) is putting one exclusive MP3 a month
on their web site. This is no skin off their noses as most bands would have
shitloads of rejects/outtakes that they could give away but it creates
goodwill with fans and gets people to come to your site.
Could you imagine if Portishead started doing this? I'm getting a boner
just thinking about it.
Xon
palcom
>
>What about dub? Have you heard any King Tubby or Lee Scratch Perry? I
>can't believe someone with such broad taste wouldn't dig these guys. As
you
>say, each to his own.
Well, I may have been a bit harsh there... I do like reggae, and dub even
more (Lee Perry is pretty cool, and Horace Andy grabs me) but it just seems
the 'rules' of reggae are too strict... it doesn't allow for as much
variation as, say, triphop, electronic or even metal. Maybe that's just my
bias, but it's not my fave... but, you know me, I listen to anything.
>
>The alternative is to try and think for yourself, not be influenced by the
>corporate marketing bullshit. When I first listened to JJJ they would play
>808 State, Janet Jackson, the Pixies, Public Image Limited and King Crimson
>all back to back. They had no regard for what was current or any scenes,
>they just played good music. They didn't try to sell you t-shirts and caps
>either.
>
I DO try not to be influenced. As far as I know, I'm not CONSCIOUSLY
influenced. But I guess it slips in here and there. I know how JJJ was, and
it seems sadly ironic that it has far more listeners these days... I tried
explaining to an ex gf once that I'd rather turn on the radio and hear
something new each time... and she looked at me as if I was from another
planet.
>Personally I think the community and uni stations are better.
Unfortunately
>they can't offer music all day which makes it hard to leave your radio
tuned
>to them unless you dig documentaries about lesbian leper aboriginals or how
>to recylce.
>
I take it that you live in a major centre... I'm up north of Newcastle, and
that city hasn't much to offer... the Uni station is pure easy listening
until LATE at night, and in my (much) smaller town the community station has
over a third of its library devoted to C&W... and again the decent stuff is
relegated to obscurity. I was a DJ there, but it was like reverting to Cro
Magnon status.
>Aye. Hopefully MP3s and net radio will give all the Sony's and media
barons
>a good kick up the arse. Viva la revolution.
>
Amen to that.
But I still like Sneaker Pimps and Morcheeba.>