Trip Hop: Definition.
Seth Hiebert
bands on this newsgroup. Most of the time your definitions of trip hop are
correct. However I have noticed a trend to alternitive music in these posts.
I have seen radiohead and sneaker pimps referred to as Trip, and recently
someone posted the following comment
"Tricky kinda fits in, but is closer to rap than anything else."
This is either an intentional attempt to start a flame war or an attempt to
downgrade this group because the person simply does not like this kind of
music. I suggest you all take a look at what you define as trip hop. Hip Hop
started in the eightys with rappers and DJ's mixing talents into a style of
music that was primarily made by African American men. (however this isn't
pertinant to discussion as it is not a personal view and if I get flamed for
a racial slur I will most likely ignore you.) Some of the best Hip Hop is
still around today, LL Cool J, Rakim (sadly Eric B. is no longer) and mony
others such as Run D.M.C. It progressed into what we know of today as Rap,
or R&B. If you forget that Trip hop is English in origin you will be making
a big mistake. Trip hop started as a guy rapping to a record in some London
night club, then progressed from there. No one said that Portishead was trip
hop until Trip got popular. Things like DJ shadow, DJ Krush, DJ Cam and
Tricky are only the beginning of good music, Bands like Portishead and
Massive Attack only served to broaden the definition of trip hop and thus
dilluting the actuall essecence. I love portishead, not because they are
trip-hop, or they are a band that defies normal pop music, but because
Portishead is talented, not another four piece acoustic rock band that
learned a few chords and played in a few clubs.
Okay heres the deal write intelligent statements back,
otherwise it's not even worth me taking the time to reply to. I know I can
be wrong, and I wan't good conversation, not "You suck, no I don't" debates.
Blue Tao
> If you forget that Trip hop is English in >origin you will be making
>a big mistake
that's funny speakign the horrible term "trip hop" was created to describe Dj
shadow in Urb magazine. Last i checked dj Shadow was American. But like i said,
the term is stupid as it cannot be defined.
Seth Hiebert
Blue Tao wrote in message
>that's funny speakign the horrible term "trip hop" was created to >describe
Dj shadow in Urb magazine. Last i checked dj Shadow >was American. But like
i said, the term is stupid as it cannot be >defined.
Quite possibly, my only source was somthing I saw on MTV so you could be
correct, however I am not intoarguing this detail to death as it doesn't
really even matter in th larger picture.
Adam Richards
>
>> If you forget that Trip hop is English in >origin you will be making
>>a big mistake
>
>
>that's funny speakign the horrible term "trip hop" was created to describe Dj
>shadow in Urb magazine. Last i checked dj Shadow was American. But like i said,
>the term is stupid as it cannot be defined.
My 2 pence:
It all depends on how "seriously" you take music, I suppose, but IMHO
all these so-called "descriptive terms" are pretty stupid, and at the
outside should only be used to describe something in a very loose,
*general* manner (i.e. to someone who might be interested in a given
group/artist but has never heard them and doesn't know what they're
like).
One thing to rememeber is that these descriptions are usually coined
by music journos who care less about the music than they do about
appearing "hip" and "cool" to their readers.
Having said that, I definitely class most Portishead stuff as
"Trip-Hop" (especially the first album), but would never include
Radiohead in this! IMHO they're a good band, but no way are they "Trip
Hop".
Adam Richards <Ad...@roblang.demon.co.uk>
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Otto the Mild
However, several participants in this newsgroup like them, which is
fine. I don't, but I'm not going to slam anyone for that. I will slam
someone for claiming it is similar to Portishead, though.
Ad...@roblang.demon.co.uk (Adam Richards) wrote:
>On 30 Sep 1998 05:09:41 GMT, blu...@aol.com (Blue Tao) wrote:
>
>>
>>> If you forget that Trip hop is English in >origin you will be making
sybe...@hotmail.com
stupid and hard to define as "trip hop" or "absract hip hop". But they lasted
Sybertot
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Robert Thorsen Baker
>
> OH MY SWEET CHRIST! WILL EVERYBODY PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT THIS?!
>
Hey...sorry...I didn't want *every* thread to shut up! Why are there
only 8 posts in this NG? Where'd everybody go?....Hello?....Anybody?...
OK--2 conversation topics to get the gears greased up again:
1) In the beginning, there was the Wild Bunch. And so it was that
everything we hold dear verily has sprung from its loins. Discuss.
2) Geoff Barrow collaborating with Kevin Shields (from My Bloody
Valentine). Wouldn't that be cool? (Even though the latter is allegedly
going insane). Discuss.
And please stop trying to define and rank trip hop...That's so tired.
(I'll tellya what trip hop is...Putcha nose right up inn-ere...Yeah...I
gotcha trip hop...right-ere!)
Robert Thorsen Baker
> As a trip-hop DJ I have never heard Wild Bunch, are they english,
Yes.
> are they trip-hop or experimental techno?
80's early trip-hop/dub/Brit-soul/blahblahblahblahblah
And so it was...that the Wild Bunch begat Nellee Hooper (Soul II Soul,
etc.) and Massive Attack. And Massive Attack begat Tricky and
Portishead.
> I hear that, Ranking favorites is not any way to spend time that could be
> used preforming trip-hop or letting people know about good artists, plus
> this really is the alt.portishead newsgroup, everyone here should pay some
> respect to portshead for their donation to the trip hop scene.
Word.
Say, tell us a little about your work! Where are you based & where do
you perform? How has the almighty P influenced you?
--Robbbbb
Robert Thorsen Baker
>
> I asked the ranking question because I wanted to hear about some new
> groups.
My tone is, as always, jocular. No serious offense was intended.
On that subject, can anyone tell me anything about the
> following bands/artists:
>
> DJ Cam
French, on the Yellow record label. He weaves some smooth, mellow music
out of everything from old American jazz to Middle Eastern melodies.
> Unkle
"Project" by DJ Shadow and the founder of MoWax records, and featuring
such guests as Mike D, Thom Yorke of Radiohead, and that ugly dude from
the Verve. Sounds like Shadow's "Endtroducing" with vocals.
> Lamb
Another band to ride the post-Portishead wake. Sounds like the Sneaker
Pimps with occasional drum n' bass thrown in. Comme ci comme ca, except
for the Mr. Scruff remix of "Gold," which I STILL HAVEN'T FOUND YET,
goddammit!
> Which of these should I try first?
I would go for UNKLE, then look around for DJ Cam. Look for Lamb in the
used bin. Dunno about the rest of 'em. I remember hearing a few good
things about Coco and the Bean.
Seth Hiebert
Robert Thorsen Baker wrote in message <361650...@ucla.edu>...
>Robert Thorsen Baker wrote:
>> OH MY SWEET CHRIST! WILL EVERYBODY PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT THIS?!
>Hey...sorry...I didn't want *every* thread to shut up! Why are there
>only 8 posts in this NG? Where'd everybody go?....Hello?....Anybody?...
>OK--2 conversation topics to get the gears greased up again:
>1) In the beginning, there was the Wild Bunch. And so it was that
>everything we hold dear verily has sprung from its loins. Discuss.
As a trip-hop DJ I have never heard Wild Bunch, are they english, are they
trip-hop or experimental techno?
>And please stop trying to define and rank trip hop...That's so tired.
>(I'll tellya what trip hop is...Putcha nose right up inn-ere...Yeah...I
>gotcha trip hop...right-ere!)
I hear that, Ranking favorites is not any way to spend time that could be
Otto the Mild
following bands/artists:
DJ Cam
Attica Blues
Coco and the Bean
Baxter
dj vadim
Shantel
Baby Fox
Unkle
Lamb
Smoke City
Lhooq
These are supposedly all trip-hop that others in this group like, but
I know nothing about them. Which of these should I try first? What
other bands do they sound like? Don't say "nobody," because no one is
THAT original. What's the atmosphere of their music?
Robert Thorsen Baker <rba...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>Robert Thorsen Baker wrote:
>>
>> OH MY SWEET CHRIST! WILL EVERYBODY PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT THIS?!
>>
>
>Hey...sorry...I didn't want *every* thread to shut up! Why are there
>only 8 posts in this NG? Where'd everybody go?....Hello?....Anybody?...
>
>OK--2 conversation topics to get the gears greased up again:
>
>1) In the beginning, there was the Wild Bunch. And so it was that
>everything we hold dear verily has sprung from its loins. Discuss.
>
>2) Geoff Barrow collaborating with Kevin Shields (from My Bloody
>Valentine). Wouldn't that be cool? (Even though the latter is allegedly
>going insane). Discuss.
>
Otto the Mild
groups that fall under this genre. I now have a list of 10 groups to
look into. That was my goal.
"Seth Hiebert" <ln...@ppp.kornet21.net> wrote:
>
>Robert Thorsen Baker wrote in message <361650...@ucla.edu>...
>>Robert Thorsen Baker wrote:
>
>>> OH MY SWEET CHRIST! WILL EVERYBODY PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT THIS?!
>
>>Hey...sorry...I didn't want *every* thread to shut up! Why are there
>>only 8 posts in this NG? Where'd everybody go?....Hello?....Anybody?...
>
>>OK--2 conversation topics to get the gears greased up again:
>
>>1) In the beginning, there was the Wild Bunch. And so it was that
>>everything we hold dear verily has sprung from its loins. Discuss.
>
>As a trip-hop DJ I have never heard Wild Bunch, are they english, are they
>trip-hop or experimental techno?
>
>>And please stop trying to define and rank trip hop...That's so tired.
>>(I'll tellya what trip hop is...Putcha nose right up inn-ere...Yeah...I
>>gotcha trip hop...right-ere!)
>
Blue Tao
DJ Cam- excellent french dj/producer. his early stuff was kinda laid back
abstrakt jazz kinda stuff, his last album is almost all hip hop. pick up his
shadow record "madd blunted jazz" it's a cool double album, one studio, one
live.
Attica Blues- smooth british group with a great female vocalist who reminds me
of the old jazz divas. Their album has been delayed almost a year now in the
u.s. import it if you have to, it's gonna be a classic
Coco and the Bean- out of the edinborough scene in the u.k. slower than attica
blues with a better vocalist. their stuff is really hard to find, well worth
finding though. the blunted Compilation on shadow records has a nice track of
theirs on it.
Baxter- not much known about this band except they are on maveric, and are
really getting the push from their label. Their music is more poppy, but they
have a great style and change genres often , from pop, to trip hop, to drum &
bass. i have a great 5 track advance, really good stuff.
dj vadim- rumor is he's russian but I have my doubts. His stuff reminds me alot
of dj spooky, very very abstrakt, bordering on ambient at times. very fond of
instrument tracks.
Shantel-German producer. his stuff can be picked up on shadow records or k7 out
of germany. a little more upbeat than msot of the other stuff, likes to use a
variety of vocalists.
Baby Fox- i want to say that they are a texas band. More dubbed out pop than
pure trip hop. I don't really care for them myself, but alot of people love
them.
Unkle- james Lavelle from mowax. i havn't heard the new album but i hear it is
good and changes style alot.
Lamb- they, with olive and hooverphonic are what i call the portishead
wannabes. They all are shallow bands that major labels pushed too hard to try
and sell millions or records. they are capable of good tracks (hooverphonic's 2
wicky for example) but really should still be releasing singles, not albums.
Smoke City- never heard
Lhooq-never heard
anyone who wants to hear some nice tracks by these bands and a few others i
love
chocolate weasel, purple penguin, air, red snapper, kruder & dorfmeister, funki
porcini, mr scruff, luke vibert, let me know. i can put msuic on mini disc and
cassette. just mail me the blank and a s.a.s.e. and i'll get some stuff out to
you.
fuck electonica,
blue
Seth Hiebert
>Word.
>Say, tell us a little about your work! Where are you based & where >do you
perform?
I live in Seoul Korea, and I DJ in a Club Called the underground, plus
whatever raves come up along the way, it's a living and keeps me occupied.
>How has the almighty P influenced you?
I use some samples from their new album especially the piano on Western
eyes, once and a while I will sample Beth singing, cut out the low end and
sample it back on an instrumental record, my favorite P single is Glory box,
it a Phat track, and Tricky uses the same on his first album. The best Trip
I do is when I sample a female singer loop a track, then pick up the mic.
Beth has a great voice, possibly my favorite with the exception of
Topley-Bird.
Otto the Mild
Robert Thorsen Baker <rba...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>Otto the Mild wrote:
>>
>> I asked the ranking question because I wanted to hear about some new
>> groups.
>
>My tone is, as always, jocular. No serious offense was intended.
>
>On that subject, can anyone tell me anything about the
>> following bands/artists:
>>
>> DJ Cam
>
>French, on the Yellow record label. He weaves some smooth, mellow music
>out of everything from old American jazz to Middle Eastern melodies.
>
>> Unkle
>
>"Project" by DJ Shadow and the founder of MoWax records, and featuring
>such guests as Mike D, Thom Yorke of Radiohead, and that ugly dude from
>the Verve. Sounds like Shadow's "Endtroducing" with vocals.
>
>> Lamb
>
>Another band to ride the post-Portishead wake. Sounds like the Sneaker
>Pimps with occasional drum n' bass thrown in. Comme ci comme ca, except
>for the Mr. Scruff remix of "Gold," which I STILL HAVEN'T FOUND YET,
>goddammit!
>
>> Which of these should I try first?
>
Otto the Mild
Milk
Otto the Mild wrote in message <3616dec4...@news.mindspring.com>...
>I asked the ranking question because I wanted to hear about some new
>following bands/artists:
>Smoke City
>Lhooq
Those 2 sound a lot like Morcheeba/Sneaker Pimps.
Lhooq is Icelandic. Lead singer shares Bjorks surname. Released a
self-titled album and a single, "Loosing Hand" which are brilliant. They
supported David Bowie a while back.
Dont know as much about Smoke City. They released "Underwater Love" last
year (from a levis ad) and an album called Flying Away which I still haven't
found.
--
"He used to do the surgery
For girls in the eighties...."
Milk
<melta...@compuserve.com>
Kingwicky
>can anyone tell me anything about the
>following bands/artists:
>Baby Fox
Laid-back dub rhythms, blues, avante-jazz, funk and psychedelia...very good
stuff, esp. from their first album, "A Normal Family" which was released in
1996. Their newest CD is called "Dum Dum Baby" and is just as strong. The
singer has a beautiful smoky voice with just the right amount of luster....to
learn or hear more about them at their site go to...
http://www.roadrun.com/artists/babyfox/homepage.htm
>Smoke City (And they do NOT sound anything like Morcheeba or Sneaker Pimps!)
A British musical group that play Acid Jazz and Trip Hop while mixing it with
Bossa Nova and Samba from Brasil. The singer, Nina, sometimes sings in
Portuguese...it sounds great.......I have heard "Underwater Love" and the video
for it is played on MTV's AMP...it's a really good song but their CD, "Flying
Away," is very hard to find. A couple of sites worth checking out (because
this band is really great!)...
http://www.geocities.com/MadisonAvenue/8877/smokeeng.html OR
http://www.cc.ece.ntua.gr/~nplati/smoke/smoke.html OR
http://www.dotmusic.co.uk/MWtalentscity.html
ENJOY!!
Robert Mashlan
>dj vadim- rumor is he's russian but I have my doubts. His stuff reminds me alot
>of dj spooky, very very abstrakt, bordering on ambient at times. very fond of
>instrument tracks.
He was born in Russia, but moved to the UK as a child. His accent is
still pretty thick probably due to learning russian as his first
language from his parents. (This is what I have gathered from talking
to him and what I've read about him) I don't know how "russian" you
think he has to be to be considered russian, but there's one thing
about the way Europeans treat citizenship -- by default, you're a
citizen of the country your father is from, even if you were born in
another country. It's not like the united states, where you're
automatically an american if you were born here. Even if Vadim was
born in the UK, the british would probably consider him a russian
anyway.
Robert Mashlan
>>1) In the beginning, there was the Wild Bunch. And so it was that
>>everything we hold dear verily has sprung from its loins. Discuss.
>
>As a trip-hop DJ I have never heard Wild Bunch, are they english, are they
>trip-hop or experimental techno?
The Wild Bunch is a Bristol dj/sound-system/artist/musician collective
which morphed into Massive Attack. Geoff Burrows was a gopher in the
Wild Bunch's studio pre-portishead era.