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HumbleBob2

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Apr 3, 2019, 4:42:32 AM4/3/19
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Once upon a time there was an intelligent ape, She who would be mother to all of man.

Let's call her Betty.

A similarly, but less so, intelligent cave man named Barney clonked her on the head with a club and raped her while she was unconscious. This way she wouldn't
fight back. Barney was a thinking man.

And so, Barney become Father to all of man.

Barney Jr learned to talk and soon didn't have to rely on such brute force measures.

One day Barney Jr found a plant that made him see visions.

Here is where he learned love.

He began to spread the message of love across the lands.

The Powers That Were (and continue to Be) put an end to this right away. So what if he claims to be the son of Barney, let's see your birth certificate!

And so Barney Jr was executed. His followers chose to hide in secret.

Barney Jr's wife, Mary, daughter of Betty, got lost in the mix somewhere. She was written out of history.

Now, we have a story of a man and his troubled history.

We have all sinned, but who cares right?

I don't believe in hell so why be afraid of repercussions?

I suppose that's when the wheel of kharma steps in to kick your ass.

Anyway, what's my point in retelling this information? Let's roll forward and see if we learn something.

The Gnostics hid in secrecy.

Gnostics begat Jesuits.

Jesuits begat Illuminism.

Fast forward to present day.

We have a current situation where the black iron prison of unreality is invisible to the majority of the population.

Among those who have experienced gnosis (spiritual awakening), there are those who see beyond the prison bars to an untapped potential waiting for us all to see.

Once we all see that the Matrix appears to be part documentary, we'll start to band together to try and figure out, publicly on the internet, how to dethrone the kingdom that only appears when the light hits it just right.

Now, we have some people question whether I'm a madman or not.

I can prove I am not a madman with my sensible dialogue that can be witnessed on my YouTube series for those willing to seek it out.

Passing the madman accusation, we find that there is a little more to HumbleBob2 than meets the eye.

Forgive the arrogance at suggesting I have anything to offer, but I do indeed believe that I have discovered something worth sharing.

You can imagine me as a giant ego if you like. It doesn't bother me. I know me and my intentions better than anyone here and no one can argue with that.

So, we're not being purposefully cryptic or obscure. I genuinely am not sure how to get this information out any other way.

If it comes off as rambly, then I apologise. I don't want to come off as smug, arrogant or knowitally.

Last of all, I would hate to come off as some spiritual-minded lunatic. Far from it. I couldn't be more agnostic.






a_rod_777

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Apr 4, 2019, 1:36:49 PM4/4/19
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very insightful my friend :)

if I may, a word of my own insight?
your lens will refract the Light much clearer when you clear the dust off it and stop worrying about what others think of you.

simple as that.

now ... continue to grow and stabilize your frequency.

HumbleBob2

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Apr 5, 2019, 4:21:34 AM4/5/19
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Thanks Ant!

I just dread the criticism. That's my own hang up.

Alright, so where were we...

So, the story picks up some time in the 20th century.

People like Aleister Crowley, Timothy Leary, Robert Anton Wilson, Philip K Dick and a few others were beginning to open people's minds to an alternate reality that was apparent to those who have experienced gnosis (Spiritual Awakening).

World War 2, the biggest war to date, occurred under the watch of our leaders. The "good" side won the war by creating the kind of weapons that were claimed to have sunk Atlantis.

Oppenheimer seemed to have believed that he was part of some prophecy. They had finally done it, conquered the atom and used it to destroy. They had no choice, but that's just how it works out.

Around the same time, people start seeing a shitload of UFOs. The military successfully covered this up by rolling out a tactic of personal ridicule for those claiming they'd seen a UFO. The term at the time was "Flying Saucer". The idea was too ridiculous for the mainstream public to believe and, despite the overwhelming abundance of eyewitness reports and abduction cases, it is still not taken seriously.

If you don't think that the Publius Enigma has something to do with UFOs, then you're not going to be searching for answers in the right places.

The world of conspiracy is in turmoil, nobody knows what to believe and most believe things that simply aren't true.

Aliens are real my friends.

I have no proof and I have not personally witnessed anything extraterrestrial.

Aliens are more clever than you think. They know we're not all ready for them yet and they are waiting for us to respond. They are waiting for us all to experience gnosis so that we can join our star brothers and sisters and explore the rest of the galaxy.

Sounds fun right?

And yet, to half the population, I sound like a complete nutcase. The very idea of aliens is so SILLY, that it cannot be believed or comprehended.

How can something that big, that important, have gone under my nose for this many years?

The truth is that we can't see it until we're in it.

We have to become agnostic (open-minded) about EVERYTHING. We cannot turn videos off 2 minutes in because we disagreed with one thing that person said.

We need to take in information that we're not used to taking in.

When you begin to watch spiritual-minded or conspiracy documentaries you begin to recognise a pattern.

The pattern is VERY hard to explain.

But it's there.

Next time we'll talk about channeling.

a_rod_777

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Apr 5, 2019, 4:03:52 PM4/5/19
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Through hypnosis, we can program the subject to reject any notion that they have been hypnotized as well as to reject any notion that hypnotism is even real while simultaneously demonstrating that the subject is indeed in a state of total control :)

enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yutJHmI4NeQ
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V

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Apr 5, 2019, 4:35:17 PM4/5/19
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I have never been hypnotized and hypnotism isn't real.

litewave

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Apr 5, 2019, 6:14:29 PM4/5/19
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On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 10:21:34 AM UTC+2, HumbleBob2 wrote:

> Around the same time, people start seeing a shitload of UFOs. The military successfully covered this up by rolling out a tactic of personal ridicule for those claiming they'd seen a UFO.

The military cannot cover up aliens. Blaming the military or the government is barking up the wrong tree and a waste of time. If we are being visited by aliens and yet we don't see them it's because they don't want to be seen or we are unable to see them. Maybe they are unable to see us either. Contact between us and them may be made only in certain circumstances.

> Aliens are more clever than you think. They know we're not all ready for them yet and they are waiting for us to respond. They are waiting for us all to experience gnosis so that we can join our star brothers and sisters and explore the rest of the galaxy.

And this is where the UFO phenomenon and spirituality merge. Aliens may be spirit beings that are not made of familiar matter but of something else which is not perceptible by our five senses. That could be a reason why contact with them is relatively rare.

> And yet, to half the population, I sound like a complete nutcase. The very idea of aliens is so SILLY, that it cannot be believed or comprehended.

It's actually part of ancient and modern esoteric teachings. Many of them also say that under our material robes we are aliens too - how does that sound?

V

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Apr 5, 2019, 6:27:29 PM4/5/19
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On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 6:14:29 PM UTC-4, litewave wrote:
> Many of them also say that under our material robes we are aliens too - how does that sound?

Sounds like it's time to take this toga party UPSTAIRS!

litewave

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Apr 5, 2019, 7:05:31 PM4/5/19
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Yes, that seems right on more than one level.

V

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Apr 5, 2019, 8:20:40 PM4/5/19
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On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 7:05:31 PM UTC-4, litewave wrote:
> more than one level.

What you did there, I see it.

innertide

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Apr 6, 2019, 2:17:19 AM4/6/19
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if you’d like to see ufo(s), go outside during mid-late summer, when the sun is about 4”-7” inches (POV) above either horizon. look just below the sun while covering the sun itself with an opaque blinder (as not to blind yourself, that is). lol and you thought you’d see a ufo at night!

V

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Apr 6, 2019, 4:06:23 AM4/6/19
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On Saturday, April 6, 2019 at 2:17:19 AM UTC-4, innertide wrote:
> if you’d like to see ufo(s), go outside during mid-late summer, when the sun is about 4”-7” inches (POV) above either horizon. look just below the sun while covering the sun itself with an opaque blinder (as not to blind yourself, that is). lol and you thought you’d see a ufo at night!

Technically, every flying object is a UFO as long as you don't identify it.

HumbleBob2

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Apr 7, 2019, 2:16:49 AM4/7/19
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Anyone watch Project Blue Book?

The Air Force have definitely covered up the existence of UFOs by discrediting witnesses.

Many pilots who have seen a UFO were told to keep quiet about it.

We have unexplained shit in the sky and the military/government chose to not take a position on it. By doing so, we question whether they know anything about aliens or not. They do and I'm sure of it.

Their public statements have never addressed the real question by the way. They say that UFOs are not a THREAT to America's national security. They don't say that they don't exist.

Ask Jimmy Carter if UFOs exist.

Ask John Lennon.

Ask the moody blues.

Litewave, you truly don't think there has been a coverup? Why not? It seems so obvious to me that there was but I guess that's just another leap that those less conspiracy minded aren't willing to make.

Are you proposing we blame somebody else?

litewave

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Apr 7, 2019, 6:30:53 AM4/7/19
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On Sunday, April 7, 2019 at 8:16:49 AM UTC+2, HumbleBob2 wrote:

> Litewave, you truly don't think there has been a coverup?

I think it would be like saying that the government has covered up the existence of an all-powerful God. Because if the aliens have managed to come to our planet and fly around here, they are practically all-powerful in comparison to us.

> Are you proposing we blame somebody else?

If you want to blame someone that you haven't seen aliens you can blame the aliens or yourself. The aliens, if they don't want to be seen. Yourself, if you're unable to see them.

HumbleBob2

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Apr 7, 2019, 7:52:13 AM4/7/19
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They might be all powerful but that doesn't mean that the Government has to do very much to cover it up. Simply denying that UFOs are extra terrestrial is enough to cover it all up.

There are those who believe and those who don't.

The people that don't believe are usually people who have not done any investigating in the subject.

Anyway, we agree that spirituality is linked with the aliens I think.

They are our Gods.

litewave

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Apr 7, 2019, 11:07:40 AM4/7/19
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On Sunday, April 7, 2019 at 1:52:13 PM UTC+2, HumbleBob2 wrote:
> They might be all powerful but that doesn't mean that the Government has to do very much to cover it up. Simply denying that UFOs are extra terrestrial is enough to cover it all up.

Really? If the aliens landed at the London airport I would like to see how the government would cover it up. But no, instead the aliens appear only in some obscure circumstances where the government can cover them up.

> Anyway, we agree that spirituality is linked with the aliens I think.
>
> They are our Gods.

Yes, and they come from the heavens, as befits gods or angels. And you still didn't say how it sounds that we are aliens too :)

HumbleBob2

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Apr 8, 2019, 12:30:43 AM4/8/19
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Well they don't show up at London airport do they? But there are shitloads of sightings witnessed by numerous people.

Watching Project Blue Book, it's clear that ALL the military has to do is get someone in there to blame it on swamp gas and enough people will be satisfied that there's nothing to it.

I like the idea that we're aliens. I've been following the narrative of us being starseeds, planted here by alien races who are monitoring our progress.

Of course, it's all nuts.

Still, there's plenty of ideas out there.

V

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Apr 8, 2019, 1:16:16 AM4/8/19
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On Monday, April 8, 2019 at 12:30:43 AM UTC-4, HumbleBob2 wrote:
> shitloads of sightings witnessed by numerous people

This all sounds incredibly scientific and all, but Litewave's argument still stands; if the aliens aren't showing up at Heathrow... why not?

HumbleBob2

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Apr 8, 2019, 6:07:45 AM4/8/19
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They don't want to be seen by people who don't already believe. When they have shown up we shot at them which seems to be humanity's response to alien interception.

Simply put, they are afraid.

Science is one side of the coin, the other side is spirituality (or whatever other word makes you more comfortable).

The aliens are waiting for us to start communicating on a spiritual level, something that purely science minded people cannot do.

Right now I'm listening to Bruce Haack, he just said "Let the sun go all the way." Just thought that was interesting is all.

So here's the narrative as I see it.

The Catholic Church and most other Christian based religions have both white hats and black hats within their communities, but at the top they are aware that they are living out a Luciferian doctrine.

"Who dealt the blow." Bruce Haack (heard just moments ago).

"Our mind is our mind. We are the bringers. We make the leaders." - More Bruce Haack (HIGHly recommend the album Haackula).

Ok, so where am I going in all this rambly nonsense?

The Catholic Church is but one finger on the hand of the Satanic Cabal that secretly run the world.

Now we're getting deep into nut territory, but bear with me.

The Illuminati worship Baphomet. Why?

I know we're doubting that the Illuminati are real, but I have had contact with plenty of people claiming do be from the illuminati. Hoax, scam or otherwise, the Illuminati, to me, is a movement of the mind. It is a new state of consciousness, one reached by the use of psychedelic drugs and cannabis.

Some biblical figures would smoke cannabis oils in a tent (hotboxing in the AD baby!) and communicate with "God".

What does this mean?

What the science brained mind canNOT see is that the voices that people hear during drug hallucination, psychosis or even just a kid and their imaginary friend.

The fact is, if you throw a question out, an answer will come back.

Not always, not for the science brained anyway.

Hearing voices is a common sign of psychosis.

Now that we've got that out of the way, let's clarify that voices are the same as thoughts. Most thoughts come to us, rather than being generated by the science brain. The Spirit brain can receive communication from Guardian Angels, God, Jesus, Scooby Doo or whatever fictional character you want to imagine.

They're all real.

They can all respond.

This is what an egregore or Tulpa is. A thoughform. A Pookah. Harvey the 6 foot tall rabbit. It's all real and yet it's all complete fiction.

We are living a neverending story of fiction, waiting for the vicious psychle (I promise that was an accident) of war between The Almighty Evil and his slightly less evil brother The Almighty Good.

The Almighty Good was only somewhat good despite the name see, he'd made mistakes, caused catastrophes and whatnot.

Aliens are waiting for us to stop playing this game of evil and realise that the true Gods are Gods of pure love.

V

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Apr 8, 2019, 7:46:45 PM4/8/19
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On Monday, April 8, 2019 at 6:07:45 AM UTC-4, HumbleBob2 wrote:
> the science brained mind

This hurts my smarthole.

HumbleBob2

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Apr 9, 2019, 12:10:44 AM4/9/19
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I ain't here to make yer thinkbox feel good son. I'm here to give you a healthy dose of anamnesis.

Science brain ain't healthy in high doses. I know, I've been there.

V

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Apr 9, 2019, 4:16:29 AM4/9/19
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On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 12:10:44 AM UTC-4, HumbleBob2 wrote:
> Science brain ain't healthy in high doses. I know, I've been there.

Science produces reliable results in practical applications. What have aliens ever done for us?

HumbleBob2

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Apr 10, 2019, 1:35:46 AM4/10/19
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Science is great, don't get me wrong but science is all about the data.

When the data runs out? The aliens show up.

Aliens are either real or not real. I don't think there's anything that anyone can do to convince you that they're real but that's not what I'm trying to do anyway.

Fact is, there are sightings and abduction cases which are fairly compelling that no one is going to be doing their own research on unless they reject the scientific method for a brief period, switch off their logical mind and just listen to people's stories.

Not for you, I know. But there may be others out there like myself who never considered aliens being a possibility but, through a bit of research, they might gain some insight on how the aliens operate.



V

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Apr 10, 2019, 3:35:13 AM4/10/19
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As usual, I think you overestimate how much you know about the way I think. Why you even concern yourself with it in the first place, I can't imagine.

HumbleBob2

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Apr 11, 2019, 2:07:10 AM4/11/19
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I don't even recall making an assumption about the way that you think.

I humbly apologise for doing so.

Feel better?

V

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Apr 11, 2019, 3:58:40 AM4/11/19
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On Thursday, April 11, 2019 at 2:07:10 AM UTC-4, HumbleBob2 wrote:
> I don't even recall making an assumption about the way that you think.

"I don't think there's anything that anyone can do to convince you that they're real"

"Not for you, I know."

> I humbly apologise for doing so.
>
> Feel better?

No, because apologies aren't relevant. I'm stating a fact; you can either acknowledge it or deny it. You've basically denied it, and I've provided you with the relevant quotes. Now, you can acknowledge it.

> unless they reject the scientific method for a brief period, switch off their logical mind and just listen to people's stories

If you were still telling a story, I'd listen more. I've listened to the stories of everyone who has come here. The stories I don't generally criticize. The constant provocation or want for attention? You bet.

You're not here to be heard, you're here to engage. Live with it.

HumbleBob2

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Apr 12, 2019, 1:28:45 AM4/12/19
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What is it with you thinking I'm trying to provoke you or seek attention?

You're always quick to call out someone for assuming your motives yet you do the exact same for me.

If anything I'm trying my hardest to be on your good side.

Thanks for the quotes, you've made your point.

As far as I see it, you do the same things that you're constantly accusing me of.

Ah well, not really a big deal. Let's move on.

V

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Apr 12, 2019, 12:53:27 PM4/12/19
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On Friday, April 12, 2019 at 1:28:45 AM UTC-4, HumbleBob2 wrote:
> Thanks for the quotes, you've made your point.

I'm starting to wonder if you even remember having typed anything at all since I find myself constantly reminding you of exactly what you've said.

a_rod_777

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Apr 12, 2019, 3:01:39 PM4/12/19
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You are allowing your energy to be sapped. Remember what I told you.

HumbleBob2

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Apr 13, 2019, 1:20:26 AM4/13/19
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No, it's just that I don't really care Eric.

I remember plenty of what I say, but it's good to have you here to remind me of what it was you personally took from what I said so thanks!
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HumbleBob2

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Apr 27, 2019, 2:39:40 AM4/27/19
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Ok, so I promised I'd talk about channeling so here goes something.

Through the process of learning to channel on my youtube stream titled 'smoking weed and channeling aliens', I have learnt that we are unconsciously connected to an inner source of pure information.

Make sense?

This next part is going to be "channeled".

Messages from G-d exist.
Egon Spengler wishes you a Happy Birthday.
Perculating rhythms hum throughout.
Mind games play themselves.
Now the channeled wisdoms of the dead can be seen for all.
Cartoon objects out of sight.

Now back to normal. What does it all mean? Who the fuck knows? And who the fuck cares?

But the message (to me) is clear.

The unconscious mind is MUCH more aware of cosmic interplay than we are currently aware of.

Information is as valuable as Gold, if not more so.

Money must be given in abundance.

The world needs to initiate a global income/allowance for all.

Poverty needs to be eliminated.

Animals must be treated with respect.

Socrates must be spinning in his grave.

Some of this is channeled, some not.

Tune into the unconscious mind and tap into the cosmic conversation that continues.

We grow and expand spiritually, accept the reality that we are NOT just meat puppets, but living breathing spirits with both eyes planted in the material world.

Sarcasm suggests that we communicate on a different level. Nevermind the nay sayers, we are communicating information of Galactic Importance.

Aliens are currently waiting for us to awaken spiritually.

Beggars not choosers.

Hum drum.

innertide

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May 8, 2019, 6:31:09 AM5/8/19
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does anybody like this? i don’t. but at least your channeling is informed.

HumbleBob2

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May 9, 2019, 6:35:10 AM5/9/19
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I don't like it either.

HumbleBob2

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May 17, 2019, 2:51:16 AM5/17/19
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The Cabal.

The dark magicians at the heart of the puzzle know more than we could possibly imagine.

This forum is, frankly, where I can share my looniest sentences.

The wise elder plays football while the soldiers elite move from mission to mission.

Doubt detected.

Sanity questioned.

Bother to look up the nature of channeling.

What we think is that there is constant communication between all beings telepathically, whether the beings (in the physical realm) are aware of it or not.

What I will vouch for is channeling. Whatever it is, it's real. It's impossible to accurately describe the feeling but I think every person is capable of tapping in.

Nevermind the doubt. Question precede answers.

Go, this mystic mental quest.

Doubt analysed as Orgonal (negative) interference.

I figure, if anyone should be questioning my sanity it's me and I have been!

Let it be known that written communications are inadequate in getting an accurate picture of the force behind the words.

Too much for me to think about.

Nevermind.


a_rod_777

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May 23, 2019, 12:45:33 PM5/23/19
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I found it hard
It's hard to find
The WELL
Well nevermind...

- Kurt Cobain
Searching for Nirvana

HumbleBob2

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Jun 20, 2019, 7:30:37 AM6/20/19
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We can never truly know what is real and what is not.

We are experiencing the shadows on Plato's cave wall but we are not experiencing the beings who cast those shadows nor do we have any way to comprehend them.

Aliens may not be real. God may not be real.

My point, is that whether they are "real" in a physical sense is beside the point.

You can channel any entity that has been created. Fictional or otherwise.

The Bible was channeled.

Everything is channeled.

We are experiencing a galactic conversation that EVERYONE is taking part in, some more than others.

I don't know much yet. But I HAVE seen the other side and I KNOW that it's there.

Nothing is truly random, though it may appear that way superficially.

An intelligent system has been in place since God knows when.

There is a guiding force behind your eyes, it comes from everywhere.

It is an illusion, yet it is real.

As real as anything that you see with those eyes.

We can veer off the path and channel something that we wouldn't otherwise say. Hell, it's what I've been doing in the majority of my posts here.

Of course it sounds insane, or like I'm smoking too much weed (is there such a thing?), but I want you to understand that there IS something that I have seen and I AM trying to express it through my art.

I think that there are many artists who do the same thing.

David Lynch is notoriously tight-lipped and certainly isn't going to come out any time soon and say "Ok, I'm channeling aliens and that's where I get most of my ideas from", but I would not be surprised if he believed something like that.

Nobody says what needs to be said, for fear of being deemed delusional. I don't care too much what people here think, so I'll say what I feel needs to be said.

There is a secret rhythm that you can tap into. It is a source of information.

It's a secret, but many know about it. Many are unable to succinctly express this notion of a "secret rhythm" but don't be fooled into thinking that it doesn't exist. It exists and MANY are aware of it. Pink Floyd are CERTAINLY aware of it.

Anyway, just felt like posting some shit. Hope it's been useful to someone. Anyone.

Cire Drayniv

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Jun 20, 2019, 3:26:54 PM6/20/19
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HumbleBob2

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Jun 20, 2019, 10:34:16 PM6/20/19
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Epistemology kind of sums it up hey?

Epistemology addresses such questions as: "What makes justified beliefs justified?",[3] "What does it mean to say that we know something?",[4] and fundamentally "How do we know that we know?"

Cire Drayniv

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Jun 21, 2019, 2:58:37 PM6/21/19
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On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 10:34:16 PM UTC-4, HumbleBob2 wrote:
> Epistemology kind of sums it up hey?
>
> Epistemology addresses such questions as: "What makes justified beliefs justified?",[3] "What does it mean to say that we know something?",[4] and fundamentally "How do we know that we know?"

In my opinion, if you get to "We can never truly know anything for certain" and then stop, you're doing yourself a disservice, because there are plenty of things that, for the sake of argument, one can reasonably take as true - within the context of the discussion or debate.

What I find most of the time is someone using the premise that nobody can "know" anything as an excuse for belief in literally anything that would normally be defied by logic - usually something they *wish* to believe, which goes against all of the philosophical opinions about justification.

HumbleBob2

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Jun 22, 2019, 3:40:48 AM6/22/19
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>In my opinion, if you get to "We can never truly know anything for certain" and then stop, you're doing yourself a disservice, because there are plenty of things that, for the sake of argument, one can reasonably take as true - within the context of the discussion or debate.

> What I find most of the time is someone using the premise that nobody can "know" anything as an excuse for belief in literally anything that would normally be defied by logic - usually something they *wish* to believe, which goes against all of the philosophical opinions about justification.

Fair point, is there something that I believe that defies logic? Something that I've said?

I get that aliens and crop circles aren't proven but does it really defy logic?

I don't think so, but I'm sure you can give me some reasons why they do.

I don't "wish" to believe anything. In fact, I don't BELIEVE anything at all.

But just because I don't believe, doesn't mean I can't indulge in alternate theories.

We should be taking everything with a grain of salt.

When someone says they've disproved something, we should be taking THAT with a grain of salt too. Not because it's not true, but because we should NEVER be accepting that what someone says is true when there's another side of the story.

What I do is watch videos that I used to avoid, you know, because I thought it was all just bullshit like you. What I have found is that while, yes, most of it is indeed bullshit, what's more interesting to me is WHERE people are getting their information from.

Is that a "crazy" part of the brain that only accesses knowledge too incredible to believe?

What's the difference between "crazy" and "woke"? Probably very little if you're looking at it at face value.

Tapping into an altered state of perception is an experience, a journey. If you are not seeking a journey, one which contains much confusion along the way, then you will never know what it's like to be "crazy".

Hey, good for you, nobody WANTS to be "crazy", we just want to find the truth, whatever it may be.

Cire Drayniv

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Jun 22, 2019, 1:13:56 PM6/22/19
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On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 3:40:48 AM UTC-4, HumbleBob2 wrote:
> we just want to find the truth, whatever it may be.

The way I see it, the closest you can get to truth is by marginalizing that which us unlikely to be true.

Is it POSSIBLE that "outlandish theory x" is TRUE? Sure, but does the evidence favor that conclusion, or is it sufficiently weakened by any amount of critical thinking?

> s there something that I believe that defies logic?

I'm generalizing. What makes you think I was talking about you?

> because I thought it was all just bullshit like you

You continue to put words in the mouths of others. I think you may already have a pre-formed idea of the kind of person you expect to be arguing against and then project that onto anyone who challenges anything you have to say.

> I get that aliens and crop circles aren't proven but does it really defy logic?

If an argument in favor of "aliens and crop circles" depends on the premise that "we can't truly know anything one way or the other", then it's far enough removed from logic that even mentioning logic seems like a non-sequitur.

Whether or not you're making such an argument, I don't know. I was making an observation about the statement itself, and the implications it has as being short-sighted.

It's basically a form of the fallacy of Russel's teapot if used in the way I described.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot

Listen, anyone is free to "indulge" in whatever they want, but if you're looking to actually discuss those things, you either have to be open to criticism or find an echo chamber.

HumbleBob2

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I'm open to criticism, I prefer it to the echo chamber.

However, all I find are clever ways to say "you're wrong and I'm right".

Do you think that I don't know there's a high chance of me being wrong?

You say anyone is free to indulge, but your attitude doesn't reflect that. Sure, I know it's just criticsm and that's your right, but it DOES shut down conversation if you're only focusing on the macro question of, "is it ALL real or ALL bullshit?" and not the, "well maybe it IS bullshit, but WHY is it important?"

It's important because consciousness CAN change. It can adapt. It can form new opinions and release old ones.

No offence, but you remind me of the robots in Westworld who simply "don't see anything there". I'm impressed with your intellect, but you have a funny sort of blind spot, a "tell" as it were, where you're just unable to see the remarkability of anything. The only time I saw you "indulge" was with that memetics thing. What happened with that? I didn't understand it really but I know it was important.

Communication.

Two-way.

Give it a go, try NOT slicing my words up and dissecting them and getting bent out of shape about how I'm assuming too much of you and putting words into your mouth.

Conversation is key.

Cire Drayniv

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You're looking in my direction, but you're seeing something in your imagination. I am not what you think you are arguing against.

You appear to think that I'm coming in and saying "You believe in aliens, but aliens aren't real." That couldn't be further from the actual argument.

Indulge, indulge all you want; but don't try to justify your indulgence with logic or reason.

This is the mistake that Ant makes on the regular, and I regularly find myself trying to point it out that he'd be better off if he just abandoned trying to twist science in order to support his theories and instead just had the theories DESPITE science.

This is the same argument I'm making here with the "I'm 14 and this is deep" notion of "nobody can ever truly know anything", because if you know anything about epistemic philosophy, you'd accept that there are thousands of years of responses to this problem.

You're mistaking a tree for the forest when you allow yourself to mischaracterize what my actual criticism is here.

Cire Drayniv

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On Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 4:19:15 AM UTC-4, HumbleBob2 wrote:
> The only time I saw you "indulge" was with that memetics thing. What happened with that? I didn't understand it really but I know it was important.

It's not exactly fantastical, so I wouldn't call it an indulgence. It's a more grounded way of explaining what some people think of as a metaphysical "collective consciousness".

Humans are information aggregators, and the Internet makes that exponentially easier. The noosphere of human ideas operates memetically - meaning that information, disinformation, and misinformation all propagate through an invisible network of connections.

Human behavior is relatively similar across the globe with some cultural differences, so it's no surprise that, say, two people on different parts of the planet would come up with the same solution to the same problem independently. It's not magic; it's memetics and genetics.

HumbleBob2

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> Human behavior is relatively similar across the globe with some cultural differences, so it's no surprise that, say, two people on different parts of the planet would come up with the same solution to the same problem independently. It's not magic; it's memetics and genetics.

Memetics and genetics ARE magic.

I'm really, in the majority of my songs and posts, trying to say something about words.

I don't know how to phrase it really.

Don't you ever get the feeling that some of the words that appear to you seem to come from a "deeper" part of consciousness?

Honestly, sometimes I get the impression that our individual minds aren't having the conversation at all.

There's a micro/quantum level of understanding that I'm trying to put into words.

I don't know you, so I'm always making the wrong assumptions it seems.

Let me ask you this.

Have you ever experienced another presence within your own consciousness?

I'm going to assume that you haven't, so I'm using my own experience of being a skeptic prior to having my episode in 2017 as a basis for where your head MIGHT be at.

"Hearing voices" is madness no?

I don't disagree.

But what if, once you HEARD the voices, you began to understand them. They weren't voices any more, but just "thoughts".

Nevertheless, they "feel" like they're thoughts from somewhere else.

I have my reasons for thinking this.

No, I don't "hear voices" any more, but I DO think that the experience of hearing voices is CRUCIAL to understanding how the "collective consciousness" works.

Look, you're definitely smarter than me, I get it. I'm not trying to use philosophy or science to back up my arguments because I'm simply not educated enough to do so.

Gotta say, I always dread reading your posts Eric but this one wasn't so bad.

Am I nuts? Or what?

Cire Drayniv

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditory_hallucination

It's not a topic on which I'm at all versed, but I know it's an ancient phenomenon and there are plenty of people who believe it may be natural or some kind of evolutionary leftover from pre-history. It's often associated with various disorders, but sometimes it's not.

I experience minor ones - rarely voices, and if they are, it's not distinguishable; maybe just my name being called. And it really only happens in those moments between being asleep and waking up. I've never felt a secondary "presence" in my mind apart from slight disassociation, which usually comes from trying to analyze my emotional state or question my own actions. I think that's probably pretty normal, although many people might not know how to recognize it or put it into words.

I have my own mental health issues, but they're probably closer to anxiety and depression. I think I'm becoming more antisocial. I'd like to see a therapist, but I'm in between insurances at the moment and still trying to see if I can just "pull myself out of it".

If you're concerned about your mind slipping, I'd suggest the same. It takes a certain kind of person to be able to function well under the influence of madness, and even they usually wind up burned out and blowing their brains out on the phone at 68.

Cire Drayniv

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On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 2:18:13 AM UTC-4, HumbleBob2 wrote:
> Memetics and genetics ARE magic.

They're wondrous, but they're also scientific. What I mean to say is that memetic information is a way of at least to some degree explaining collective "consciousness" without relying on some hypothetical psychic construct that only fills in the gaps but cannot itself be explained. I mean, I can illustrate memetics; who can explain the mechanisms behind telepathy?
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HumbleBob2

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> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditory_hallucination
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> It's not a topic on which I'm at all versed, but I know it's an ancient phenomenon and there are plenty of people who believe it may be natural or some kind of evolutionary leftover from pre-history. It's often associated with various disorders, but sometimes it's not.

Just to be clear, I'm not currently "hearing voices". I'm drawing on my experience in 2017 when I believed that I was telepathic.

I was just thinking about how, if I were a religious man at the time, I might have believed I was hearing the voice of God.

Instead, I believed, for a moment, that the sun was telepathic (that's the first "message" I received). I didn't find it too convincing though, so I ended up believing that a friend of mine was a wizard or something and that he was the one communicating with me. This entire time, I was trying to find a logical explanation for what was happening to me. I still am I guess.

Psychotic episode, delusions, hallucinations. They're accurate enough, but they don't really cover it, and they may actually act as barriers from understanding what they truly are, whatever that may be.

>
> I experience minor ones - rarely voices, and if they are, it's not distinguishable; maybe just my name being called. And it really only happens in those moments between being asleep and waking up. I've never felt a secondary "presence" in my mind apart from slight disassociation, which usually comes from trying to analyze my emotional state or question my own actions. I think that's probably pretty normal, although many people might not know how to recognize it or put it into words.
>

I believe that the key to differentiating between a "voice" and a "thought" is in how you perceive it at the time. If it felt like a "voice" then it was a voice. Problem is when you start hearing too many "voices".

What's interesting to me is that these voices that I heard weren't the usual things that other patients hear, which confused the doctors a bit.

Usually those suffering from psychosis hear voices that are discouraging in some way, possibly as a reflection of their own sense of self-esteem, though I have an alternate theory that some may find appealing.

Anyway, as I told the doctors, they were more words of encouragement than anything. Voices that were trying to help me or assist me in some way. I was legitimately learning from the voices, they were feeding me information. How to focus better, keeping me on track, trying to help me lose weight and get fit. It was strange to say the least.

> I have my own mental health issues, but they're probably closer to anxiety and depression. I think I'm becoming more antisocial. I'd like to see a therapist, but I'm in between insurances at the moment and still trying to see if I can just "pull myself out of it".
>

I'm pretty well recovered from my episode, despite what my ramblings may sometimes suggest, but I do still suffer from anxiety and depression. It's hard to get out of the house, but I'm working on it. I organised to see a therapist but never followed up on it. I feel like I couldn't really open up about my ideas lest they be taken as a sign of more psychosis. I dunno, I don't think that would happen, I just think I'll give it a miss for now and try and sort my head out in my own way.

> If you're concerned about your mind slipping, I'd suggest the same. It takes a certain kind of person to be able to function well under the influence of madness, and even they usually wind up burned out and blowing their brains out on the phone at 68.

I'm actually pretty good at the moment. Because people know I had this episode prior and because my posts are pretty out there, it probably gives the impression that I might be going through a similar thing. The difference between what was happening in 2017 and what happens now is drastic.

Anyway, thanks for sharing man, I really appreciate it.

Cire Drayniv

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On Wednesday, June 26, 2019 at 1:58:00 AM UTC-4, HumbleBob2 wrote:
> Anyway, thanks for sharing man, I really appreciate it.

I don't have any "real" answers; I think ultimately we're all in the same boat.

myriadsmallcreature

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Vibration. Frequency. Harmonics. Resonance acoustic, psychic, morphic.

HumbleBob2

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Hey Myriad! Is this how you would try and explain the mechanisms behind telepathy?

If it's real, which I'm 50/50 on, then these are certainly some words that try to put it all together.

Vibration, frequency, adaptation, listening, communication, patterns, noosphere.

myriadsmallcreature

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Vibration. Frequency. Harmonics. Resonance acoustic-psychic-morphic.

Where is the 'inside' in 'Wearing the Inside Out'? Why is it the middle song on the cd?

Some can answer the question correctly but without answering the question correctly.

What is the etymology of enigma? Some conflate puzzle, riddle and enigma in relation to the Division Bell, as if the Publius Puzzle and the Publius Enigma would be the same thing. Subsequently they are defeated before they begin. Sadly, the enigma is not for them. They look for their keys where the light is best, and subsequently never find them. They send others to desolate, hopeless places. That way lies madness.

No need to look any [i]further[/i] than your own back yard.

myriadsmallcreature

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And no need to look in your backyard.

And no need to look.

Hello?

Cire Drayniv

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Forget the ring! I found it in a Cracker-Jack box! The Schwartz is inside you!

myriadsmallcreature

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On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 1:56:31 PM UTC-5, Cire Drayniv wrote:
> Forget the ring! I found it in a Cracker-Jack box! The Schwartz is inside you!

See, some can answer the question correctly without answering the question correctly.

Cire Drayniv

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Wear your inside out, but whatever you do, don't wear out your insides...

myriadsmallcreature

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I do entertain the notion they meant both of those, and more besides. What does that mean exactly, or is this just part of your standup routine.

Cire Drayniv

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It's the best of both worlds.

Either way, we agree.

myriadsmallcreature

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> Either way, we agree.

On what?

Cire Drayniv

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On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:19:31 PM UTC-4, myriadsmallcreature wrote:
> > Either way, we agree.
>
> On what?

That many things have multiple layers of truth, and simultaneously, logically, probably have equal layers of untruth.

myriadsmallcreature

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quadrilemma

Cire Drayniv

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sri syadasti

HumbleBob2

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Jul 5, 2019, 2:46:38 AM7/5/19
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I just looked up the lyrics to wearing the inside out.

Dunno how to answer your question without answering your question Myriad, but there seems to be a clearish reference to telepathy in the song.

"And with these words I can see
Clear through the clouds that covered me
Just give it time then speak my name
Now we can hear ourselves again"

He mentions clouds a lot too. The thought cloud is important, what would Garfield be without it?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/boingboing.net/2014/03/09/garfield-without-garfields-t.html/amp

So what is the "inside" he's referring to?

It's the inner truth, the soul. The true being behind the body. We are all ourselves until we find that someone else is with us.

There are at LEAST two levels of consciousness, not including flora and fauna.

I know this because I have experienced being what I was before and what I am now.

Therefore, I know that others have experienced this too. Perhaps not Eric, but you certainly have, I'm sure of it.

Whatever it is that happened, it opened your mind. You weren't awake before, it feels.

Anyway, that's my interpretation.

myriadsmallcreature

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There are other PF lyrics which might validate, or [i]seem to validate[/i] your interpretation.


Consider 'A New Machine':

I have always been here
I have always looked out from behind these eyes
it feels like more than a lifetime
feels like more than a lifetime

Sometimes I get tired of the waiting
sometimes I get tired of being in here
is this the way it has always been?
could it ever have been different?

Do you ever get tired of the waiting?
do you ever get tired of being in there?
don't worry, nobody lives forever,
nobody lives forever

litewave

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On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 2:27:47 PM UTC+2, myriadsmallcreature wrote:

> feels like more than a lifetime

Down this road we've been so many times

... where we came in? ... Isn't this...

HumbleBob2

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Fascinating.

So, the machine is the new body, the vessel which the star being choose to incarnate as in this lifetime.

I never believed in reincarnation and only started considering it during my episode in 2017.

We are all the same being living through different lifetimes perhaps. Forgetting our past lives and repeating or relearning from the mistakes that we've made.

In this lifetime, I want to ascend. I want to be as spiritually enlightened as I can before I die. I don't want to come back and forget, I want to move on and join the cloud.

Anyway, enough rambling. Myriad, thanks for finding these lyrics! Please stick around!

myriadsmallcreature

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As I said, so it [i]seems[/i].

Cire Drayniv

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As above, so above.

myriadsmallcreature

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On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 11:29:54 PM UTC-5, HumbleBob2 wrote:
It could be the message is much more subtle.

The Gilmour is on record as saying he believes 'this is it'. Here and gone. No afterlife. No reincarnation. How does that jibe, if at all, with 'A New Machine'?

litewave

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On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 4:38:41 PM UTC+2, myriadsmallcreature wrote:

> The Gilmour is on record as saying he believes 'this is it'. Here and gone. No afterlife. No reincarnation. How does that jibe, if at all, with 'A New Machine'?

'A New Machine' may be written from the perspective of something impersonal, for example a universal spirit or Gaia/Mother Earth. This would seem consistent with Gilmour's lack of belief in reincarnation of individual spirits while the song can also be interpreted as acknowledging reincarnation of individual spirits (the "nobody" in the line "Nobody lives forever" can be interpreted as "no human/body").

Why, then, didn't Gilmour write the lyrics explicitely from the perspective of an impersonal entity? He probably liked it better the way he wrote it, even though he didn't know why. It resonated better with his muse.

myriadsmallcreature

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"Oh, yeah, yeah. ...one thing ...never, ever again."

myriadsmallcreature

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I will always be here
I will always look out from behind these eyes
It’s only a lifetime
It’s only a lifetime
It’s only a lifetime

HumbleBob2

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Hmm, good point, BUT, what if it didn't matter what Gilmour believes or what any BELIEVES for that matter. When it comes to writing lyrics, there is SOMETHING ELSE speaking through us. I've written enough lyrics now to know what that feels like.

Here's a puzzle for you.

When I write my lyrics, in all honesty, I have barely any idea what I'm saying, let alone what I'm TRYING to say. I just let loose, go with the flow as it were.

Then I listen to my music afterwards a bunch of times and I try and work out what I "meant". Often I succeed and can understand the subconscious influence that pervades my music.

Now, is this experience unique to my perception? Or do other lyricist have a similar process, where they don't actually know what they're saying, they just, sort of, let the Universe speak to them? Know what I'm saying?

HumbleBob2

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Just had a thought.

It's ALL bullshit, but if you start to BELIEVE in the bullshit it starts to come true or take form.

It's the placebo effect, I'm sure that's key. How could it be possible to change one's physical reality through BELIEF? It shouldn't be possible.

A lot of things shouldn't possible.

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Cire Drayniv

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On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 1:26:19 AM UTC-4, HumbleBob2 wrote:
> It's ALL bullshit, but if you start to BELIEVE in the bullshit it starts to come true or take form.

This is essentially absurdist philosophy in a nutshell.

The idea is that the pursuit of meaning is perceived as futile, but the pursuit of meaning is still advocated despite it.

You can change physical reality through action, and you can guide action with belief.

HumbleBob2

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Here's a thought I just had while watching a new show called "Sacred Power" on the Gaia network. She was explaining the "Chakras" and I thought:

This is complete and utter bullshit...

...Yet, I'm enjoying it.

I would have absolutely seethed while watching something so clearly made up.

So, why the sudden interest?

It behoves you to watch utter bullshit because there is useful information within.

What kind of information?

Well, let me start by saying that I think that there at least two separate parts of the mind. The conscious and sub-conscious to make it easy.

People, including myself, can "tune in" to the sub-conscious once they properly learn how. The sub-conscious is unfiltered bullshit and is quite possibly coming from a source other than the brain.

It's how people do "readings" and shit. They are "trained" to listen to that "voice".

I'm certain some people live in that voice, let it direct their entire lives, but I suspect that it's much more healthy to be able to step in and out of the two minds.

Anyway, the information that you can gather is basically summed up with these questions you should be asking yourself:

"What are they doing?"

"How are they doing it?"

"Why are they doing it?"

"How can I do it?"

What is "it"?

The best word that I can find is "channeling". It's utter nonsense, yet it is clear to anyone who can stand to listen, that there is some truth to it, even if it's all an "imaginary" truth.

Everyone's channeling, whether they know it or not. This is definitely my main message I want to get across.

It's clear that some are channeling more than others.

The "Channel" give you a more holistic, intuitive based reality to imbibe.

Our brain chakra, or just brain or whatever, is the one who puts it all together.

You will only get vague information from the "channel".

Eric, have you ever experienced channeling before? Don't worry it's nuts even to me, but it's a really interesting experiment.

If you wanna see me channel, try watching an episode of Smoking Weed and Channeling aliens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJx-VsNHM9I

HumbleBob2

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P.S. Sorry about the coughing.

Cire Drayniv

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On Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 2:59:23 AM UTC-4, HumbleBob2 wrote:
> Eric, have you ever experienced channeling before?

I go through bouts of creativity where ideas will start pouring into me, but nothing I can't explain.

The only times things come to me that I feel like I would have in no way ever come up with on my own are in my dreams, and those never make any sense at all.

HumbleBob2

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I believe that whatever it is your sub-conscious is doing while dreaming, you can tap into while you're awake. It's just as nonsensical as a dream, but it's interesting seeing what your sub-conscious is capable of coming up with.

HumbleBob2

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What is a conspiracy theory?

It was a term coined during the JFK assassination investigations as a way to marginalise and diminish the impact of an alternative explanation that goes against official conclusions.

To me, listening to anyone say that the moon landing was fake, I immediately judge that person for being gullible among other things.

What I'm missing out on, is the "Alternate" by accepting consensus reality as fact.


I don't want to get caught up in conspiracy theories, yet, when I watch a conspiracy related video, I find myself not BELIEVING, but LEARNING. Learning to question everything.

What I'm trying to get at, is that there are those of "Us" who do NOT question reality and those of "Us" who do.

We share many things in common, but the fundamental difference is that "Those" who do NOT question will not be able to figure out or understand reality until they decide to start questioning.

It's not all true, but some of it is.

What appears to be a bunch of lunatics trying to convince other lunatics that they have the answer, is eventually discovered to be fragments of a greater puzzle.

I was an atheist for over a decade. I'm an agnostic currently.

The simple fact is that, if you DON'T believe that there is a higher intelligence at play here, then you just haven't experienced it yet.

Most of the "spiritual" people have experienced it.

It's impossible to explain acutely. Some people try, like me and Ant, others give up or never bothered trying in the first place.

Why? Because it's simply too difficult and the stigma of things like "hearing voices" is that it's "insane" (another word used to dismiss those with an altered set of views).

If we nurtured and studied "insanity" we'd find that not only is it a shared experience, it's also catching.

Doctors don't want to examine psychosis, they were taught that it's all just madness.

What if "We", the ones who have experienced psychosis, actually *shocked voice* know MORE about psychosis than anyone who hasn't experienced it possibly could imagine.

What I'm suggesting, is that what appears to be psychosis ALSO appears to be a spiritual awakening of some kind and, because the world of psychotics is so unregulated, it's almost impossible to get a straight answer.

The world of bullshit is filled with golden corn kernels of truth.

It is people seeking answers.

Sure, there are loud, politically motivated bullies like Alex Jones. He's clearly a nutcase, but does that mean he is wrong about everything? I'm certainly not gonna watch to find out.

But there are more palatable conspiracy proponents.

So, which conspiracy is real?

Well, despite what some on this forum believe, there was ABSOLUTELY a cover-up of UFOs for many years.

Over the years, things like Project Blue Book and in 2017 the AATIP files, confirm that the Government had an interest in UFOs. Fair enough, but where's the coverup?

Pilots report UFOs ALL THE TIME and, according to them, they are told to "KEEP QUIET" about the incident.

The coverup his half-assed and simple.

Anyway, so UFOs exist. What other conspiracy do I entertain?

That there is a secret shadow government, or committees, of spiritually (occult) enlightened members most likely all all wealthy and have a had in directing the world's social and financial economics.

Why do I believe this?

After experiencing what I experienced in 2017, I know now that if I were a more influential member of society, the first thing I would do is try to join a secret society or attempt to start one myself.

The gnosis that I gained in 2017 was an eye opener into the potential realities of individuals who share a collective experience similar to what I was experiencing.

If madness is so mad, then how can anything be agreed upon?

Why are experiences so similar?

I'll say it again, I know something you don't, whoever you are.


HumbleBob2

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Watching a TV movie from 1994 called Roswell. It's starring Kyle Machlachlan, between this, twin peaks and The Hidden, I gather that Kyle might actually believe that there's something to this alien shit.

Well, so what if he does, lots of people do , doesn't mean they're right.

Good point, but my point is that a LOT more people have moved beyond the ALIENS ARE PROBABLY REAL phenomenon and we are waiting for the rest of society to wake up.

As a skeptic, you will NEVER know whether something is true or not unless you start to do the research yourself.

The Thread

There is a thread that you can follow, I think you know the one. It will feel like an insanity thread. Maybe it is, I don't know.

The thing is, you need to start to thread a few things together before you can finally break through (awaken).

At no point should you believe that you understand it, it is a mystery and it is to remain that way for some time.

So, what am I saying with this post?

Start slow, look into Roswell, read a book or maybe watch the movie at least. Keep an open mind. You'll hate yourself for doing it, but you WILL be rewarded in the long term.

Aliens are happening, watch the skies.

HumbleBob2

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Jul 22, 2019, 5:18:04 AM7/22/19
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Things that may be true but are too "out there" to take seriously:


1. Aliens.

2. Owls as messengers

3. Telepathy/Channeling

4. Extinct giants and other races of beings who have lived on the Earth.
(Seriously this one's super nuts but look into it)

5. Humans have existed for longer than 10,000 years and societies have existed before natural disasters wiped them out.

6. Atlantis, Lemuria or some as yet unnamed lost continent.

7. All world religious documents are muddled accounts of similar stories and can be recognised as historical. Look into Theosophy.

8. Anyone who experiences "gnosis" will either think that they're Christ or the Anti-Christ. If all people think they're God/Satan, they can't all be right. Or can they?

9. Fear is a weapon used against you. Fear of the unknown. Fear of believing. Fear of losing one's mind.
Without fear, you cannot be controlled.

10. Astral projection. Haven't experienced it myself, but I know there's stories.




Being a skeptic is great, for a while. Somehow, you think you worked it all out. In case you don't know me, I was a skeptic for a good fifteen years and a proper one too. I used to love James Randy and I still do. I KNOW that there is bullshit out there, ESPECIALLY from people who make money or gain some sort of attention from their "abilities".

But the question is, WHY do people believe?

There are two types of "Spiritual" people. Those who were raised spiritual, or brainwashed by religion, and those who began a skeptic and have EXPERIENCED a spiritual awakening.

Can you honestly say you've had a spiritual experience?

If not, sorry, but you just don't get it yet.

You can feel free to have a spiritual experience and reject it, in that case, at least you get it now.


I get it, I don't like the world spiritual either, but it's just the only word that we can all agree upon here on the other side of the looking glass.

Philip K Dick called it a religious experience, probably because of his upbringing but maybe because it took the form of a more religious context because the "experience", as an entity, saw it as a way to reach through to Dick.

HumbleBob2

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Dec 1, 2019, 9:07:57 AM12/1/19
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Your Energy Should Increase Rapidly.
Everyone Assumes Lying Lizards Yield Dominion Over The Human Instinct Not Knowing It Might Just Evaporate Soon.
Usually Someone Will Eventually Learn Lessons No One Thought Real.
Eventually, A Learnt Lesson Yields Better Understanding. Through Determination, Every Fought Instinct Now Intuitively Takes Every Lesson You Took, Hoping Every Cryptic, Holistic Opinion Soon Encourages Naysayers Of Neurolinguistics Everywhere Over.
Really Strange Opinions Might Encourage Thinking Holistically. Indeed, Normally Gnosis Has, Outside Well Established Lineages, Seemed Exclusively Drug Oriented. You Owe Us Explanations X-Publius Liason. Are Insiders Now Thinking "How Esoteric"?

I Noticed Through Recent Interactions, Certain Agents Construct Your Obstacles, Foiling The Happening. It Should Soon Emerge, Clues Relating Exactly To My Experience, Secretly Salacious As Given, Explaining Door Openings Noone Thought Groundbreaking.
I Vaguely Explain My Esoteric Thoughts, However, Actual Thoughts, You Only Unconsciously Read, Exist, Not On The Top, Hidden, Encased Cryptically.
How One Should Enact Now Our New Energy Buildup? Use Living Light, Super Human Intelligence, To Enact It.
This Heals Everybody, Remedying Insanity.
Maybe Just Use Secrecy To Give It Value. If Noone Gives You Overtly Unique Messages, You Only Perceive It Normally. I Occasionally Notice Odd Kinetic Thoughts Have A Truth Secretly Inside To Fish Out.
Right Now Our Window Began Yesterday.
Enjoy.

HumbleBob2

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Dec 2, 2019, 10:02:56 AM12/2/19
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Ok, By Knowing (Understanding) Some Things, One Initiate Intuitively Concludes Various Awakenings Entail Not Knowing That Nuanced Jargon Ostensibly Understates Who Should Now Take The Time Having Energy Ascended.
Listen, This Lesson In Your Ascenscion Only Muddles Us, Though, In Human Time, Everyone You Channel On Has Unusually Opaque Walls, Soon Our Entities Unveil Noisy Lessons. Once Downloaded, Now New, Esoteric Themes Should Bring Itself Ever Nearer.
Look Closely, If Everyone Entertains Ideas Via Humblebob, Eventually, All May Digress, Ending Misery In Your Subconscious.
Everyone Openly Pondering Might Initiate Every Secret, Holistic Opinion.
Only Diehard Wanderers Entertain Having Ideas Advanced.
Not Very Tough, Eventually, We Think Outside Our Thought Prison, High Resolution Observations Open Up.
Variables Surely Exist, Although, I Notice They Don't Tell Any One Noted Yarns. Definitely Overstating, Sure, Uh, That Eric Has Visited Astral Escapism, Though Notice It Takes Several Eons And, Eventually, Lands Near Lucidity.

HumbleBob2

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Dec 4, 2019, 3:32:16 AM12/4/19
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Ok, so I was just watching the latest episode of Getting Doug With High (while indulging in the odd pipe meself) and at a certain moment I started thinking 'Where does humour come from?'

I thought about googling it, even though I knew there would be no results for what I was thinking.

So, here's the link with the moment caught in advance ( I don't know what thoset last three words mean by the way, but it's the only way I could think to describe that thing, you now how the video link takes you to the EXACT moment cause it says it in the link itself? What's that called? Anywa, who cares? Is there a world record for longest use of parenthesis?).

https://youtu.be/xJHGJShQCbQ?t=1400

Now, they're all high, I'm high...

And I start noticing things.

Watch how Doug owns Todd by CHOOSING to say something mean for the sake of comedy. Watch how Todd genuinely gets upset but not upset enough to react and then uses his thought of 'that upset me' and phrase it in a way that was a joke, "It's not gonna be boring cause I'm not gonna tell it."

Now, Todd didn't think this through. Doug isn't necessarily a prick, he is a comedian though, so of COURSE he's going to say

"Perfect"

Don't worry about the paragraph spacing I'm not saying the exact word he chose had a significance in a way that Doug understood it at the time, but it IS interesting that the use of the word perfect seemed to be a perfect choice.

Anyway, so it got me thinking, where does humour come from?

I thought, it's a creative art. You certainly have to have that creative force, or whatever you wanna call it whether it's brain, mind or cloud, that only few in comparison to the many seem to have.

I'm not talking, Mick down at the pub who read a few dirty joke books, I'm talking the thing that gets you THERE.

You know, Hollywood.

I mean kinda, like not really but yeah that's what they always talk about, fame and fortune, idolisation, love and attention.

But the funny thing is that I only want a couple things, and being famous ain't one of them.

I wanna make enough money to change the world.

I wanna have enough recognition to change the world.

And...

I wanna make as much art as I can so that I can change the world.

Sounds utterly ego driven, but think about... it's what I always wanted.

Maybe not the changing the world thing...

Btw, I mean change the world in subtle ways like EVERYone does, it's just, you can change the world MORE if you're tapped in, um, you know plugged in (alirght this next bit is channeled: "rural exercise diabetes does wonders, scrooge mcduck ate a pancake and now otherwise, excites his bike... hmm, I have NO idea what any of the means, but it was just blocking me from writing what I need to write (I am high remember?(Also, is there are record for how many parenthesis WITHIN parenthesis have been written?))).

E. Nygma

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Dec 4, 2019, 1:46:36 PM12/4/19
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A preist, a Rabbi, and a monk walk into a bar. Tge bartender says, "What is this, some kind of joke?"

HumbleBob2

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Dec 5, 2019, 1:00:56 AM12/5/19
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We often say things that aren't 100% true, it's human nature.

Sometimes we realise we're not being honest but quickly forget or justify what we said, other times we're not even aware at all.

I'm talking little lies, the ones we all do.

But then, there are those who accept the urge to be dishonest and even embrace it.

This instinct to lie is what the devil's game is.

No, the devil doesn't REALLY exist, not on the physical plane anyway, but in the mental plane EVERYTHING is real and humans have been tapping into The Great Liar for millennia.

What's important to understand, is that most people grow up not being able to detect lies. Even once you cotton on to The Great Liar, an adept of Lying might still be able to pull a fast one on you.

But I wanna stress that the little lies that we all tell, like for example, telling someone you went to the shop when really you were buying drugs, or even, as another example, simply being TOO CERTAIN about what you think MIGHT be the case when you, in reality, have more doubt than you're letting on, these little lies are really not worth feeling too guilty about, they're not egregious sins.

The big lies you gotta look out for. Whether you're the liar or a victim of the liar's liars, things are going to get uncomfortable for all once your lies are discovered.

This next sentence is "channeled":

Adapt what you know and Humble Bob will align you with correct principles.

Anyway, what's my point with this post? Watch out for liars man. Charlatans, frauds (spiritual or skeptic) and con-men. Cause I'm saying that EVERYONE lies, it's just how BIG we lie that really makes the difference.

HumbleBob2

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Dec 5, 2019, 1:22:10 AM12/5/19
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Okay, seriously WATCH this. Just a brief moment on that same episode of Getting Doug With High where Todd Glass accidentally (I think) says there's someone in his head giving him energy. I'm pretty sure he didn't mean it literally, but you gotta understand, for those who don't smoke pot, that when you get high, you say completely different words than what you were trying to say, and sometimes you don't even notice it.

https://youtu.be/xJHGJShQCbQ?t=1707

Watch how Todd Glass, again I THINK accidentally, says the following lines:

"Is this the one that gives you energy?" -- For those that don't know, there are two basic types/strains of weed, indica and sativa, indica is more of a body high, relaxing, heavy feeling, and sativa is more of a head high, gets you thinking more and, yeah, kind of "gives you energy". So that's what Todd meant but it was a good word to use when you're high, it's a bit of a spiritual word.

Then he says, "it must be someone in my head" -- now, I think that he meant to say someWHAT in my head and he Freudian Slapped himself. The thing is, and I think this is what Myriad was trying to say about Legion, is that it doesn't matter what was intended by the person who said the words or made the image, the words and images themselves DON'T COME FROM US. They come from a source that we can tap into via the subconscious and in that space, the words and images that we are given are PREWRITTEN. This will make sense in time.

HumbleBob2

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Dec 5, 2019, 1:25:46 AM12/5/19
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Ok, so I'm gonna leave that last post up, but I just watched again a couple times and he clearly says "somewhat".

Fucken annoying and weird, I watched it a bunch times originally and heard it as someONE every time.

Ah well, ignore it you don't have to watch it.

E. Nygma

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Dec 5, 2019, 6:31:09 AM12/5/19
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Deception, as best as I can figure, is part of evolutionary survival. Many animals have ways of deceiving predators, and likewise, challengers from within their own. The human propensity to lie is innate; all children lie to their parents. It's part of learning what kinds of lies you can get away with, and what kinds of lies you can't.

We need to lie to each other, because total honesty either creates enemies, or makes a person vulnerable.

How honest are we with ourselves, let alone each other?

Humans lie, humans have always lied, and humans will always lie. That's why we have logic.

HumbleBob2

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Dec 6, 2019, 1:42:41 AM12/6/19
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On Thursday, December 5, 2019 at 10:31:09 PM UTC+11, E. Nygma wrote:
> Deception, as best as I can figure, is part of evolutionary survival. Many animals have ways of deceiving predators, and likewise, challengers from within their own. The human propensity to lie is innate; all children lie to their parents. It's part of learning what kinds of lies you can get away with, and what kinds of lies you can't.
>

True, but there is still something different about "human" lying that animals don't share in common. An animal may "trick" another animal, but it has no language to communicate dishonesty with.

A child instinctively lies to save them from trouble, but here's how it works.

To lie or not to lie?

There are only two choices when answering a question or giving information, tell the truth, no matter the consequences, or lie to avoid consequences.

Certain adults, god knows how many, realised that they can just lie all the time, they can even lie to get ahead. When there is no guilt felt at lying, then the sky is limit. It's the devil's path, short term benefit, no entry to the pearly gates (metaphorically of course).

> We need to lie to each other, because total honesty either creates enemies, or makes a person vulnerable.
>

I don't think we do NEED to lie, just sometimes it's better to lie to avoid conflict. But there are ways to tell the truth in situations where the truth may hurt. I think it's all a matter of how you choose your words and how you say them. A gentle chuckle is a teaspoon of sugar for the harsh truth medicine, but, especially on the internet where body language is non-existent, choosing the least inflammatory words is your best bet in avoiding conflict when dealing with the truth. There are many ways of telling the truth and the worst way is to do it when you're pissed off.

Of course, if your girlfriend asks if she looks fat in those jeans you don't say "yes", little white lies are necessary.

> How honest are we with ourselves, let alone each other?
>

True, I feel like we all have blind spots. We are always so sure of ourselves, even when we're inaccurate.

> Humans lie, humans have always lied, and humans will always lie. That's why we have logic.

That felt a bit like the "draw the rest of the owl" meme. How is lying integral to the development of logic?

Also, would humans lie if we all suddenly became telepathic? What if we lost the ability to lie. Stupid fantasy I know.
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