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HumbleBob2
Feb 7, 2019, 9:14:31 PM2/7/19
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After learning about the Aricibo Answer, it's hard not to consider that crop circles play a greater significance whether man-made or not.
So, two guys "admitted" to making crop circles and apparently that explains every circle that's ever appeared? I call bullshit.
I don't want to suggest that aliens are the cause but looking at the Aricibo Answer and its complexity, it's hard not to believe that this wasn't an important message.
The rationwiki page says that it couldn't be aliens because they wouldn't have recieved the message yet. This is only logical of you assume that aliens haven't ALREADY made contact which, to many, they have.
Start reading abduction stories and UFO sighting books. Read Communion and Messengers. These books will be difficult to adjust to, but it's clear that something strange is occuring, whether it's internally or ExTernally.
Reason I want to STEER the conversation towards crop circles is because I've seen it mentioned in reoation the Publius Enigma before. What's the connection if any?
So, two guys "admitted" to making crop circles and apparently that explains every circle that's ever appeared? I call bullshit.
I don't want to suggest that aliens are the cause but looking at the Aricibo Answer and its complexity, it's hard not to believe that this wasn't an important message.
The rationwiki page says that it couldn't be aliens because they wouldn't have recieved the message yet. This is only logical of you assume that aliens haven't ALREADY made contact which, to many, they have.
Start reading abduction stories and UFO sighting books. Read Communion and Messengers. These books will be difficult to adjust to, but it's clear that something strange is occuring, whether it's internally or ExTernally.
Reason I want to STEER the conversation towards crop circles is because I've seen it mentioned in reoation the Publius Enigma before. What's the connection if any?
litewave
Feb 8, 2019, 9:17:06 AM2/8/19
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On Friday, February 8, 2019 at 3:14:31 AM UTC+1, HumbleBob2 wrote:
> So, two guys "admitted" to making crop circles and apparently that explains every circle that's ever appeared? I call bullshit.
Those humans who create crop circles are artists, and like artists in general, they may be more attuned to their individual unconscious minds and through their individual unconscious minds to the collective unconscious and to the individuals that sprout from it.
> So, two guys "admitted" to making crop circles and apparently that explains every circle that's ever appeared? I call bullshit.
Here is an excerpt from Ken Carey's book The Third Millennium, in which it appears that he channeled some otherworldly entities:
"As this current wave of consciousness slowly fills the conceptual atmosphere of this planet, more and more people look up from their affairs to notice that their society's understanding of the world is neither complete nor accurate. There are some who shrink away from this truth, but properly understood it is a source of joy and not of fear. The perspective to which we call is one of wholeness. It is the vision that sees, behind the changes of these times, an Eternal Presence slowly filling the fields of human consciousness, a holy Presence, the Presence that inspires life itself.
We address those locked in historical perspectives as best we can, transmitting our information through those of resonant transduction in whom we are able to incarnate occasionally, not necessarily full-time, but long enough to create a work of art, a song, a motion picture, an article, a documentary. As electronic communication devices help to alert more people to the deeper currents of perception within themselves, our transmission of higher-frequency consciousness increasingly takes the form of radiant light energy beamed directly into human awareness. People turn again to the historically neglected flow of information through collective human consciousness, even as that flow is itself being amplified, even as its warmer, love-centered informational currents infiltrate the cooler currents of compartmentalized egoic thought.
Some associate this with a vague conception of God, but few suspect the immensity of the event that is before them as this new consciousness - aware, alert, active - flows like a tide into the very core of their societies, into their very minds and hearts."
> Reason I want to STEER the conversation towards crop circles is because I've seen it mentioned in reoation the Publius Enigma before. What's the connection if any?
Matthew 13:36-39
Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.”
He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom. The weeds are the people of the evil one, and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
In the artwork of the 1994 re-release of Pink Floyd's album A Momentary Lapse of Reason, the word PUBLIUS is printed in the picture of a harvester in a field, and the word ENIGMA is printed in the picture of a man standing on the edge of a cliff. See here:
http://www.jojoplace.org/4KH/amlor04.jpg
http://www.jojoplace.org/4KH/amlor05.jpg (zoomed in)
http://www.jojoplace.org/4KH/amlor02.jpg
http://www.jojoplace.org/4KH/amlor03.jpg (zoomed in)
V
Feb 10, 2019, 7:48:19 AM2/10/19
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publius_Enigma#Uncle_Custard
I may be wrong, but at the time this was published, it seems to me like it was not widely known that crop circles were man-made.
V
Feb 10, 2019, 8:06:35 AM2/10/19
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Here's something fun about elaborate crop circles:
https://img.purch.com/h/1400/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5saXZlc2NpZW5jZS5jb20vaW1hZ2VzL2kvMDAwLzAxOC81Nzkvb3JpZ2luYWwvQ3JvcC1jaXJjbGVzLVN3aXJsLmpwZw==
Do you see it? Look hard. Look very close.
Very bottom, just left of center: a glaring imperfection that is not consistent across the larger pattern. There are a few of these, but this is the first one I noticed.
This indicates that the implementation is not mathematically precise and unlikely to be the result of any kind of fractal process. (I.E. if it's the work of an orbital laser or something to that effect, the beam was guided by hand or followed the pattern of something that was more-or-less hand-drawn.)
Back in the day, when crop circles were literally just circles, it was easier to believe that they were depressions left by flying saucers. Now, they're far too complex and many of them are non-symmetrical illustrations (just google "elaborate crop circles") proving that the method to make one can be used to make all.
They're intricate, but it's still just dudes stomping around in a field with ropes, wood, and hair dryers - which, honestly, actually makes them even more impressive works of art.
https://img.purch.com/h/1400/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5saXZlc2NpZW5jZS5jb20vaW1hZ2VzL2kvMDAwLzAxOC81Nzkvb3JpZ2luYWwvQ3JvcC1jaXJjbGVzLVN3aXJsLmpwZw==
Do you see it? Look hard. Look very close.
Very bottom, just left of center: a glaring imperfection that is not consistent across the larger pattern. There are a few of these, but this is the first one I noticed.
This indicates that the implementation is not mathematically precise and unlikely to be the result of any kind of fractal process. (I.E. if it's the work of an orbital laser or something to that effect, the beam was guided by hand or followed the pattern of something that was more-or-less hand-drawn.)
Back in the day, when crop circles were literally just circles, it was easier to believe that they were depressions left by flying saucers. Now, they're far too complex and many of them are non-symmetrical illustrations (just google "elaborate crop circles") proving that the method to make one can be used to make all.
They're intricate, but it's still just dudes stomping around in a field with ropes, wood, and hair dryers - which, honestly, actually makes them even more impressive works of art.
HumbleBob2
Feb 10, 2019, 9:27:26 AM2/10/19
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Seriously, start looking at pictures but, more importantly, read the articles about them whether they are skeptical or not.
You will find that there really isn't any good logical explanation for them. You said, you thought that it was widely believed to be hoax. This was my thought too! But then I wondered..
Why on EARTH do I think that? What the fuck do I know about what's widely believed or not. Cause I saw it on TV ONE time? That's not really good enough any more.
Seriously, research it. They reckon they use household microwaves to make em? That's fucken insane! At this point how has NOONE discovered how these are being made?
That story about the "artists" is clear to me to be a dosinformation tactic similary to the fake alien autopsy videos that got "leaked". It's to make you question EVERY SINGLE crop circle ever produced and to overwhelm you with disinformation. Don't assume anything Eric, start researching BOTH sides.
You will find that there really isn't any good logical explanation for them. You said, you thought that it was widely believed to be hoax. This was my thought too! But then I wondered..
Why on EARTH do I think that? What the fuck do I know about what's widely believed or not. Cause I saw it on TV ONE time? That's not really good enough any more.
Seriously, research it. They reckon they use household microwaves to make em? That's fucken insane! At this point how has NOONE discovered how these are being made?
That story about the "artists" is clear to me to be a dosinformation tactic similary to the fake alien autopsy videos that got "leaked". It's to make you question EVERY SINGLE crop circle ever produced and to overwhelm you with disinformation. Don't assume anything Eric, start researching BOTH sides.
litewave
Feb 10, 2019, 9:36:55 AM2/10/19
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On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 3:27:26 PM UTC+1, HumbleBob2 wrote:
> That story about the "artists" is clear to me to be a dosinformation tactic similary to the fake alien autopsy videos that got "leaked". It's to make you question EVERY SINGLE crop circle ever produced and to overwhelm you with disinformation. Don't assume anything Eric, start researching BOTH sides.
What I was getting at was the idea that crop circles may be created by aliens THROUGH humans. By inspiration, like other works of art.
> That story about the "artists" is clear to me to be a dosinformation tactic similary to the fake alien autopsy videos that got "leaked". It's to make you question EVERY SINGLE crop circle ever produced and to overwhelm you with disinformation. Don't assume anything Eric, start researching BOTH sides.
HumbleBob2
Feb 10, 2019, 9:38:59 AM2/10/19
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Yeah and I agree with that partially, but I think some crop circles are created by UFOs. I don't know why, but it's just a hunch.
HumbleBob2
Feb 10, 2019, 9:54:17 PM2/10/19
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There should be a wikipedia page for every crop circle or, at least, a UFO Wikia that has a database of every UFO sighting, abduction case and crop circle. IF the crop circles are "messages" then we're not doing a good job at cataloguing them.
V
Feb 10, 2019, 9:56:44 PM2/10/19
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HumbleBob2
Feb 10, 2019, 10:05:15 PM2/10/19
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https://rense.com/general13/arc.htm
Reading the arguments on why the Aricibo message is a hoax reveals the utter inadequacy of skeptics to think outside the box. The reason for WHY crop circles are considered a hoax is always thin. Phrases like, "crop circles are widely KNOWN to be a hoax" instead of widely BELIEVED.
Eric, be very wary of the language that skeptics use (I'd know, I used to be one), they are just as likely to use phrases of manipulation to sway you towards their side. Try and start fresh. Think 50/50, crop circles SOUND like bullshit, but there is NO evidence that I have found to suggest that they are all man made. By all means, try and find some articles that "disprove" crop circles, they're rare and poorly worded imho.
Reading the arguments on why the Aricibo message is a hoax reveals the utter inadequacy of skeptics to think outside the box. The reason for WHY crop circles are considered a hoax is always thin. Phrases like, "crop circles are widely KNOWN to be a hoax" instead of widely BELIEVED.
Eric, be very wary of the language that skeptics use (I'd know, I used to be one), they are just as likely to use phrases of manipulation to sway you towards their side. Try and start fresh. Think 50/50, crop circles SOUND like bullshit, but there is NO evidence that I have found to suggest that they are all man made. By all means, try and find some articles that "disprove" crop circles, they're rare and poorly worded imho.
HumbleBob2
Feb 10, 2019, 10:07:48 PM2/10/19
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Pretty sure is not good enough. I don't doubt that there is a documentary, but have you seen it? How accurate is it? Does it explain ALL crop circles? Of course there is speculation on how they MIGHT be made but that does NOT prove that they are made without alien intervention.
HumbleBob2
Feb 10, 2019, 10:16:47 PM2/10/19
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"There's a documentary about crop circles being fake"
"There's a documentary about the moon landing being fake"
Which documentary are you more likely to watch?
I don't believe that the moon landing was hoaxed btw, but my point is that ANYONE can make a documentary and ANYONE can manipulate evidence to make the viewer question EXACTLY what they want you to question.
Documentaries are an unreliable source of bias like any non-fiction information based document. Humans are NOT as capable as discerning truth from fiction as you would initially believe.
"There's a documentary about the moon landing being fake"
Which documentary are you more likely to watch?
I don't believe that the moon landing was hoaxed btw, but my point is that ANYONE can make a documentary and ANYONE can manipulate evidence to make the viewer question EXACTLY what they want you to question.
Documentaries are an unreliable source of bias like any non-fiction information based document. Humans are NOT as capable as discerning truth from fiction as you would initially believe.
V
Feb 10, 2019, 11:22:00 PM2/10/19
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Here's an actual time-lapse of humans making an elaborate crop circle design.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtkMrNrEMLM
Occam's Razor: if humans are demonstrably capable of making this, no known crop circle defies explanation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtkMrNrEMLM
Occam's Razor: if humans are demonstrably capable of making this, no known crop circle defies explanation.
HumbleBob2
Feb 10, 2019, 11:33:51 PM2/10/19
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Confirmation bias
Just because a crop circle CAN be replicated, does NOT mean that ALL crop circles are replications.
The answer to the Aricibo Answer has not uet been delivered.
Most important question REGARDLESS of who made the crop circles is WHY they made the crop circles.
They are important Eric, I'll stake my pittance on it.
Just because a crop circle CAN be replicated, does NOT mean that ALL crop circles are replications.
The answer to the Aricibo Answer has not uet been delivered.
Most important question REGARDLESS of who made the crop circles is WHY they made the crop circles.
They are important Eric, I'll stake my pittance on it.
V
Feb 13, 2019, 4:21:01 AM2/13/19
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On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 11:33:51 PM UTC-5, HumbleBob2 wrote:
> Confirmation bias
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> Just because a crop circle CAN be replicated, does NOT mean that ALL crop circles are replications.
You've got my argument a little backwards.
> Confirmation bias
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> Just because a crop circle CAN be replicated, does NOT mean that ALL crop circles are replications.
Demonstrating that an intricate crop circle was created by men proves that all equally or less complex crop circles could also have been just as easily created by men.
Since man-made crop circles raise fewer questions than crop circles of any other origin, it's the simplest and most reasonable explanation. I.E. there isn't any genuine mystery unless you can show that a particular crop circle was so unlikely to have been man-made that it bears further examination.
HumbleBob2
Feb 13, 2019, 6:19:57 AM2/13/19
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You're just not thinking on the same wavelength. Once you starting looking in to crop circles, the idea that it was all just a hoax becomes even MORE ridiculous than the idea of aliens.
Problem is, you don't believe in aliens yet. What can we do to change that?
litewave
Feb 13, 2019, 8:05:20 AM2/13/19
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On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 12:19:57 PM UTC+1, HumbleBob2 wrote:
> I disagree. There is mystery until it can be demonstrated to have been made for NO reason. If the reason is simply an art project then the honus is on you to present the evidence for this theory.
I would compare crop circles to graffiti. Both are artistic expressions, made usually without permission and within public view.
> I disagree. There is mystery until it can be demonstrated to have been made for NO reason. If the reason is simply an art project then the honus is on you to present the evidence for this theory.
HumbleBob2
Feb 13, 2019, 8:19:28 AM2/13/19
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Maybe, if UFOs had something to do with graffiti.
V
Feb 14, 2019, 5:18:56 AM2/14/19
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On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 6:19:57 AM UTC-5, HumbleBob2 wrote:
> I disagree. There is mystery until it can be demonstrated to have been made for NO reason. If the reason is simply an art project then the honus is on you to present the evidence for this theory.
Humans making crop circles for art and entertainment (and a love of hoaxing others) is a perfectly reasonable and likely explanation. What's the mystery?
> I disagree. There is mystery until it can be demonstrated to have been made for NO reason. If the reason is simply an art project then the honus is on you to present the evidence for this theory.
Sure, it would be great to actually know, undeniably and for certain, what anyone was thinking when they made a crop circle, but you could say the same thing of most of the works of art through human history. Crop circles are certainly enigmatic, but they're not difficult to explain.
Honestly, the onus is on anyone who wants to suggest that crop circles are in any way related to extra-terrestrial life or intelligence to show that an alien explanation is more reasonable than a human one.
HumbleBob2
Feb 14, 2019, 6:43:37 AM2/14/19
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And that's people are trying to do, but I'm pretty sure you're likely to do NO research in the counter direction because of your stigma to pseudo science and dogmatic adhesion to Science, the Religiom of the industrial age.
You're just not thinking orthogonally.
Your brain needs a good unwinding I'll tell you that!
You're just not thinking orthogonally.
Your brain needs a good unwinding I'll tell you that!
V
Feb 15, 2019, 11:15:38 AM2/15/19
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On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 6:43:37 AM UTC-5, HumbleBob2 wrote:
> And that's people are trying to do
Well, in terms of science and logic, an A is rarely given for effort. Either a good argument for extra-terrestrial origins of crop circles exists or it doesn't. Without an argument, the concept itself is arbitrary. People believe aliens make crop circles because the humans that started the crop circle phenomenon *wanted* people to believe that aliens made the circles. It's a top-down conclusion, which is the opposite of how genuine investigation works.
> And that's people are trying to do
Conspiracy theorists tend start with a conclusion and then work backwards to cherry-pick that which supports the conclusion; literally confirmation bias. Only by eliminating probable possibilities can the improbable be seriously considered.
Show me a crop-circle that defies rational explanation and I'll show you a dubious source of information...
HumbleBob2
Feb 15, 2019, 6:44:25 PM2/15/19
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My point being that you've already made your mind up, just like the UFO believers.
You'll never EVER find anything interesting about crop circles with your mind so closed off to them. You've already reached your own "logical" conclusion. Mystery solved as far as you're concerned.
There is NO UFO case that defies explanation because as far as you're concerned, if people CAN do it, then people DID do it. You've made up your mind.
There's absolutely no point in trying to convince you to open your mind a little, your skull is glued together by science and history. Shame what they've done to your mind Eric.
https://youtu.be/KliBRinZHJA
You'll never EVER find anything interesting about crop circles with your mind so closed off to them. You've already reached your own "logical" conclusion. Mystery solved as far as you're concerned.
There is NO UFO case that defies explanation because as far as you're concerned, if people CAN do it, then people DID do it. You've made up your mind.
There's absolutely no point in trying to convince you to open your mind a little, your skull is glued together by science and history. Shame what they've done to your mind Eric.
https://youtu.be/KliBRinZHJA
V
Feb 15, 2019, 7:29:55 PM2/15/19
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On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 6:44:25 PM UTC-5, HumbleBob2 wrote:
> My point being that you've already made your mind up, just like the UFO believers.
Much like science, my mind can be changed by a convincing argument and a set of evidence to support it.
> My point being that you've already made your mind up, just like the UFO believers.
Notice the difference between these two statements:
1. All crop circles are man-made.
2. Man-made crop circles have been demonstrated and no evidence for an extra-terrestrial origin of a crop circle has been presented, therefore the most reasonable explanation for most, if not all, crop circles is that they were probably also man-made.
That's not exactly "making up one's mind", it's stating the best conclusion given the available evidence.
> You'll never EVER find anything interesting about crop circles with your mind so closed off to them. You've already reached your own "logical" conclusion. Mystery solved as far as you're concerned.
You seem terribly concerned with the fact that I'm not out there alien-hunting instead of admitting that the people who are out there alien-hunting aren't coming back with anything substantial. You're taking a simple discussion about the viability of alien-origins for crop circles, and, as you've done many times before, attempting to make it personal. This isn't about me or my mind, this is about what is and isn't a good argument.
> There is NO UFO case that defies explanation because as far as you're concerned, if people CAN do it, then people DID do it.
> There's absolutely no point in trying to convince you to open your mind a little, your skull is glued together by science and history.
Your "open-minded" plea is coming from a place of closed-mindedness. Like Ant, you assume that my position is the opposite of your position.
Have a little awareness of nuance.
HumbleBob2
Feb 15, 2019, 8:13:00 PM2/15/19
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You've already proven that you're not looking for any possible explanation beyond human intervention. You're telling phantom UFO hunters to GIVE you an explanation but you're NOT searching for an explanation yourself due to, what I would refer to as, "close mindedness".
Nobody's going to give you the information you need if you're not receptive to it.
You're saying that I ASSUME that you're taking the opposite position when it's obvious that you are. I'm not suggesting that you BELIEVE in UFO origins for crop circles, just that you be open to the idea, in which case evidence MAY just come to you.
I know your position because it was once my own position. I get it. Crop circles are stupid and UFOs are silly. This is the DISINFORMATION campaign working EXACTLY in "their" favour.
Nobody wants you to think TOO deeply about crop circles.
Fact is, out of the two of us, who is more likely to learn something about crop circles or be able to build a better argument on their origins? Certainly not the person who already believes their origins have been solved, ie. no mystery.
You seem to take it personally when I say you're not open-minded enough. If it's your default position, then wear it transparently and don't take offence. It's just a fact, you're less open-minded because of your distaste for pseudo-science. It's a perfectly reasonable position and you're in company with the rest of the scientific community.
We already know the answers and aliens are stupid seems to be the prevailing argument. Not my idea of open-mindedness.
Anyway, I'm NOT going to try and convince you, I'm barely convinced myself, but I WILL say that I think that you're missing a thread here that could be opening your eyes in a LOT of new ways.
You don't believe, that's fine. Let's just leave the cyclical arguments there and agree to disagree.
Nobody's going to give you the information you need if you're not receptive to it.
You're saying that I ASSUME that you're taking the opposite position when it's obvious that you are. I'm not suggesting that you BELIEVE in UFO origins for crop circles, just that you be open to the idea, in which case evidence MAY just come to you.
I know your position because it was once my own position. I get it. Crop circles are stupid and UFOs are silly. This is the DISINFORMATION campaign working EXACTLY in "their" favour.
Nobody wants you to think TOO deeply about crop circles.
Fact is, out of the two of us, who is more likely to learn something about crop circles or be able to build a better argument on their origins? Certainly not the person who already believes their origins have been solved, ie. no mystery.
You seem to take it personally when I say you're not open-minded enough. If it's your default position, then wear it transparently and don't take offence. It's just a fact, you're less open-minded because of your distaste for pseudo-science. It's a perfectly reasonable position and you're in company with the rest of the scientific community.
We already know the answers and aliens are stupid seems to be the prevailing argument. Not my idea of open-mindedness.
Anyway, I'm NOT going to try and convince you, I'm barely convinced myself, but I WILL say that I think that you're missing a thread here that could be opening your eyes in a LOT of new ways.
You don't believe, that's fine. Let's just leave the cyclical arguments there and agree to disagree.
V
Feb 15, 2019, 9:12:47 PM2/15/19
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On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 8:13:00 PM UTC-5, HumbleBob2 wrote:
> You've already proven that you're not looking for any possible explanation beyond human intervention.
I haven't been given a reason to. The fact that humans can and do make crop circles basically leaves the rest without mystery. Unless there is some characteristic of a particular circle or set of circles that defies the man-made explanation, there isn't anything to look for.
> You've already proven that you're not looking for any possible explanation beyond human intervention.
> You're telling phantom UFO hunters to GIVE you an explanation but you're NOT searching for an explanation yourself due to, what I would refer to as, "close mindedness".
You seem to think that having an open mind means not thinking critically. That's not open-mindedness, it's wild speculation with a dash of gullibility.
> Nobody's going to give you the information you need if you're not receptive to it.
> I know your position because it was once my own position. I get it. Crop circles are stupid and UFOs are silly.
> Fact is, out of the two of us, who is more likely to learn something about crop circles or be able to build a better argument on their origins?
> You seem to take it personally when I say you're not open-minded enough.
If you were to present me with something that suggests a particular crop circle was unlikely to have been created by a person and I dismissed it outright, then you could have the right to accuse me of being closed-minded. You haven't done that, and your accusation is a case of jumping the gun.
> It's just a fact, you're less open-minded because of your distaste for pseudo-science.
> Anyway, I'm NOT going to try and convince you, I'm barely convinced myself, but I WILL say that I think that you're missing a thread here that could be opening your eyes in a LOT of new ways.
HumbleBob2
Feb 15, 2019, 9:58:21 PM2/15/19
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You can continue to make the cyclical arguments, I've already suggested we agree to disagree.
I've brought up the Aricibo Answer a few times and even linked to a rationwiki article on it.
You haven't mentioned it, so I took that as a dismissal. If I'm wrong, then that's my mistake.
I've brought up the Aricibo Answer a few times and even linked to a rationwiki article on it.
You haven't mentioned it, so I took that as a dismissal. If I'm wrong, then that's my mistake.
HumbleBob2
Feb 15, 2019, 10:15:58 PM2/15/19
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Sorry Eric, I don't like the combatitiveness that's inherent in, in my opinion, BOTH of our posts. I just wanted to get some people thinking about crop circles is all. It's more interesting than, I THINK, you give credit for.
Just my opinion.
Just my opinion.
V
Feb 15, 2019, 11:54:49 PM2/15/19
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On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 9:58:21 PM UTC-5, HumbleBob2 wrote:
> cyclical arguments
I'm not sure "cyclical" is an accurate description of anything I've said.
> I've brought up the Aricibo Answer a few times and even linked to a rationwiki article on it.
What's particularly mysterious or unusual about the Aricibo Answer crop circle?
> cyclical arguments
I'm not sure "cyclical" is an accurate description of anything I've said.
> I've brought up the Aricibo Answer a few times and even linked to a rationwiki article on it.
HumbleBob2
Feb 16, 2019, 12:05:38 AM2/16/19
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You seem to go in the same circles when arguing, the circle being you giving an impression of what you believe or disbelieve and then getting agitated when I make a presumption about what you believe or disbelieve.
I find that you and I get caught in loops, where you've been triggered by a certain word that I've said.
For example, that word could be defensiveness.
You are very defensive and you'll continue to be defensive until I break the loop. I can't help but point it out, it's glaringly obvious. You seem to get upset at just about everything I say.
All I can do is apologise.
What's mysterious about the Aricibo Answer? Oh nothing! Only that no one has ANY idea who the fuck put it there.
I guess you have this vision of two guys using hair dryers all night to make a staggering art project/hoax that barely anyone gives a shit about.
I do NOT have that same image in my head. In fact, I don't have one at all.
You asked me to point to a specific crop circle, but if the Aricibo Answer doesn't do anything for your imagination, nothing will.
At some point you're either gonna have to go down the rabbit hole or not. It's nice and safe up here anyway.
I find that you and I get caught in loops, where you've been triggered by a certain word that I've said.
For example, that word could be defensiveness.
You are very defensive and you'll continue to be defensive until I break the loop. I can't help but point it out, it's glaringly obvious. You seem to get upset at just about everything I say.
All I can do is apologise.
What's mysterious about the Aricibo Answer? Oh nothing! Only that no one has ANY idea who the fuck put it there.
I guess you have this vision of two guys using hair dryers all night to make a staggering art project/hoax that barely anyone gives a shit about.
I do NOT have that same image in my head. In fact, I don't have one at all.
You asked me to point to a specific crop circle, but if the Aricibo Answer doesn't do anything for your imagination, nothing will.
At some point you're either gonna have to go down the rabbit hole or not. It's nice and safe up here anyway.
V
Feb 16, 2019, 12:13:26 AM2/16/19
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On Saturday, February 16, 2019 at 12:05:38 AM UTC-5, HumbleBob2 wrote:
> You seem to go in the same circles when arguing, the circle being you giving an impression of what you believe or disbelieve and then getting agitated when I make a presumption about what you believe or disbelieve.
That's my arguments aren't about what I believe or disbelieve, they're about what are more or less reasonable explanations, and whether or not there is sufficient reason to subscribe to more outlandish theories.
> You seem to go in the same circles when arguing, the circle being you giving an impression of what you believe or disbelieve and then getting agitated when I make a presumption about what you believe or disbelieve.
> You seem to get upset at just about everything I say.
> What's mysterious about the Aricibo Answer? Oh nothing! Only that no one has ANY idea who the fuck put it there.
> At some point you're either gonna have to go down the rabbit hole or not. It's nice and safe up here anyway.
Research something for a week and you'll think it's real. Research it for a month and you'll know it's fake. Research it for a lifetime, and you'll realize that some things will just never be fully explained.
HumbleBob2
Feb 16, 2019, 1:02:32 AM2/16/19
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Agree to disagree on most of your arguments, but unwilling to argue them further.
Most of the disagreement here seems to come down to semantics in my opinion.
I don't like the fact that I have to finely tune every single word in my comments knowing that you'll attempt to turn it against.
I don't enjoy getting into internet arguments.
You don't believe crop circles are a mystery. Let's just agree to disagree then. You're just kicking a guy who's trying to help.
Most of the disagreement here seems to come down to semantics in my opinion.
I don't like the fact that I have to finely tune every single word in my comments knowing that you'll attempt to turn it against.
I don't enjoy getting into internet arguments.
You don't believe crop circles are a mystery. Let's just agree to disagree then. You're just kicking a guy who's trying to help.
V
Feb 16, 2019, 5:56:25 AM2/16/19
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On Saturday, February 16, 2019 at 1:02:32 AM UTC-5, HumbleBob2 wrote:
> You don't believe crop circles are a mystery. Let's just agree to disagree then.
I don't use "belief" to describe my opinion on the subject, and I'd appreciate you not putting words in my mouth infofar as that's concerned.
> You don't believe crop circles are a mystery. Let's just agree to disagree then.
It sounds to me like you're taking my lack of subscription to unsubstantiated theories personally and more concerned with what I do or don't believe than how much available information there is (or a lack thereof) on the subject itself. This thread would still be about crop circles if you hadn't steered it into a tribunal on my presumed level of open-mindedness.
You wanted to talk about crop circles and I offered my assessment. You challenged my claim about documentaries showing how they're made, and I provided direct evidence of it. If anyone is outright dismissing information here, it's you.
> You're just kicking a guy who's trying to help.
V
Feb 16, 2019, 6:04:29 AM2/16/19
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On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 9:27:26 AM UTC-5, HumbleBob2 wrote:
> That story about the "artists" is clear to me to be a dosinformation tactic similary to the fake alien autopsy videos that got "leaked". It's to make you question EVERY SINGLE crop circle ever produced and to overwhelm you with disinformation. Don't assume anything Eric, start researching BOTH sides.
Spoken like a true conspiracy theorist: anything that contradicts the foregone conclusion will be instantly used to confirm it instead.
> That story about the "artists" is clear to me to be a dosinformation tactic similary to the fake alien autopsy videos that got "leaked". It's to make you question EVERY SINGLE crop circle ever produced and to overwhelm you with disinformation. Don't assume anything Eric, start researching BOTH sides.
"That's just what THEY want you to think!"
I might as well just admit that I'm a disinformation agent and I'm also part of the conspiracy to prevent all five people in this forum from achieving enlightenment through smoking retarded amounts of drugs.
Try sativa. You'll be well on your way to living in a Faraday cage in no time...
HumbleBob2
Feb 16, 2019, 6:36:04 AM2/16/19
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Why on Earth did you engage in picking apart my posts and attacking me ad hominem after I backed out of the argument?
I tried to be as diplomatic as I could in my last post.
I don't even want to read your posts, I saw the final line and found it upsetting enough.
Don't be such an asshole, or at least be cognizant that you ARE one.
I'm not posting in this thread or the telepathy thread any more.
Probably won't post here any more period.
The only feedback I get is your mean spirited rebuttal to an earnest interest in more metaphysical minded subjects.
I don't want to hear it any more. It makes me feel like a fucken dumbass for even THINKING that anyone here gives a fuck about what I have to say.
I will no longer be trying to say it.
If you change your mind, my music and podcasts may help you get onto 'The Wavelength'
I won't apologise for using words that you take umbrage with, that's your problem, not mine. Enjoy ghost town again Eric.
I tried to be as diplomatic as I could in my last post.
I don't even want to read your posts, I saw the final line and found it upsetting enough.
Don't be such an asshole, or at least be cognizant that you ARE one.
I'm not posting in this thread or the telepathy thread any more.
Probably won't post here any more period.
The only feedback I get is your mean spirited rebuttal to an earnest interest in more metaphysical minded subjects.
I don't want to hear it any more. It makes me feel like a fucken dumbass for even THINKING that anyone here gives a fuck about what I have to say.
I will no longer be trying to say it.
If you change your mind, my music and podcasts may help you get onto 'The Wavelength'
I won't apologise for using words that you take umbrage with, that's your problem, not mine. Enjoy ghost town again Eric.
HumbleBob2
Feb 18, 2019, 1:24:46 AM2/18/19
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V
Feb 20, 2019, 9:45:36 AM2/20/19
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2. It's been four days and you're still posting. I called your bluff.
3. I've admitted many times that I'm an asshole, that, in fact, my personal philosophy is that we're ALL assholes.
4. You're an emotional bag. You're creative, but gullible. When cornered argumentatively, you resort to feints; subtle personal attacks. When those personal attacks are exposed, you up the ante by accusing the person you've attacked of being "upset". U Mad Bro much? You behave like a troll. If you genuinely pursue discussion, debate, knowledge, and gnosis, you're doing a piss-poor job, and this is not the way to go about it.
I suggest you stop thinking Ant is a role-model just because he fellates your ego. If anyone here is worth looking up to, it's Litewave. I have to say that out of all of us, he(?) is the most consistently civil and intellectually honest. (I aim for intellectual honesty but I certainly fall short on the civility. I have low tolerance for bullshit.)
I will say again, as I have said before: I admire your creativity and I absolutely admire your musical talent, and I hate to sour any potential working relationship with you as far as that is concerned... but when it comes to these discussions, these debates, you aren't handling yourself very well.
You would not get these criticisms from me if you yourself didn't stray into personal territory to begin with. YOU made this about me/you/us. Don't like what I have to say about it? Don't do it again.
HumbleBob2
Feb 20, 2019, 10:16:10 AM2/20/19
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You want to think we're all assholes you go ahead and think that but the only asshole I see here is you.
V
Feb 20, 2019, 10:38:18 AM2/20/19
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On Wednesday, February 20, 2019 at 10:16:10 AM UTC-5, HumbleBob2 wrote:
> You want to think we're all assholes you go ahead and think that but the only asshole I see here is you.
I'm not surprised.
> You want to think we're all assholes you go ahead and think that but the only asshole I see here is you.
HumbleBob2
Feb 20, 2019, 11:08:39 AM2/20/19
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And what on Earth makes you think Ant is a role model?
If you weren't such an asshole to me, I'd consider having the most in common with yourself.
What I don't get is the hostility.
You imply that it's coming from me, but from perspective, I'm just a guy who wanted you to look into crop circles because I think you'll discover something interesting about them. Fuck me right?
Why not just ignore me, or say it's not for you and move on?
Why poke fun at me for smoking weed?
Why go back and pick apart my posts after I backed off from getting into an argument?
I even apologized for the combativeness that may have come across in my messages to you.
I've been trying to get along with you, but you seem intent on dissecting everything that I say.
You choose your words very carefully and I, frankly, sometimes find the words you use to be sneaky and manipulative.
I do not choose my words as carefully. When someone pisses me off I tend to hastily respond so I apologise for calling you an asshole.
Thanks for the compliments tho.
If you weren't such an asshole to me, I'd consider having the most in common with yourself.
What I don't get is the hostility.
You imply that it's coming from me, but from perspective, I'm just a guy who wanted you to look into crop circles because I think you'll discover something interesting about them. Fuck me right?
Why not just ignore me, or say it's not for you and move on?
Why poke fun at me for smoking weed?
Why go back and pick apart my posts after I backed off from getting into an argument?
I even apologized for the combativeness that may have come across in my messages to you.
I've been trying to get along with you, but you seem intent on dissecting everything that I say.
You choose your words very carefully and I, frankly, sometimes find the words you use to be sneaky and manipulative.
I do not choose my words as carefully. When someone pisses me off I tend to hastily respond so I apologise for calling you an asshole.
Thanks for the compliments tho.
HumbleBob2
Jun 14, 2019, 6:16:00 AM6/14/19
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDqZvGJW4gk
The more shit I see on crop circles, the less likely it seems that humans are capable of pulling off such a hoax.
Not a single person has been caught!
The more shit I see on crop circles, the less likely it seems that humans are capable of pulling off such a hoax.
Not a single person has been caught!
comcou...@gmail.com
Jun 17, 2019, 8:21:40 AM6/17/19
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i’ve been wanting to see this movie for awhile but finally i am able to watch on demand (but only to the channels I subscribe to) their basically cable;
tomorrow land;
ani I just want to say i should be receiving royalties from certain things likes this and i am not.
tomorrow land;
ani I just want to say i should be receiving royalties from certain things likes this and i am not.
HumbleBob2
Jun 18, 2019, 5:27:35 AM6/18/19
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Why should you be recieving royalties?
Did you inspire something in the movie?
Did you inspire something in the movie?
HumbleBob2
May 26, 2023, 8:38:14 AM5/26/23
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a_rod_777
Jun 12, 2023, 3:37:36 PM6/12/23
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On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 6:38:14 AM UTC-6, HumbleBob2 wrote:
> this show's great btw, try and watch it...
>
> https://youtu.be/x2BQyZorSQc
That's funny. I had just watched this a few days ago before logging in and seeing your message. Seems the vid is making it's rounds...
> this show's great btw, try and watch it...
>
> https://youtu.be/x2BQyZorSQc
Hope you are doing well buddy!
myriadsmallcreature
Jun 15, 2023, 9:25:01 AM6/15/23
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On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 7:38:14 AM UTC-5, HumbleBob2 wrote:
> this show's great btw, try and watch it...
>
> https://youtu.be/x2BQyZorSQc
"Be wary of anyone with influence." And a knowing look...
> this show's great btw, try and watch it...
>
> https://youtu.be/x2BQyZorSQc
heh...
HumbleBob2
Jun 16, 2023, 4:33:55 AM6/16/23
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myriadsmallcreature
Jun 16, 2023, 1:28:09 PM6/16/23
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He was paraphrasing the alien crop circle.
Try to reproduce that one...
Try to reproduce that one...
HumbleBob2
Jun 18, 2023, 4:27:13 AM6/18/23
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On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 3:28:09 AM UTC+10, myriadsmallcreature wrote:
> He was paraphrasing the alien crop circle.
>
> Try to reproduce that one...
I don't follow, are you referring to the aricibo one?
> He was paraphrasing the alien crop circle.
>
> Try to reproduce that one...
myriadsmallcreature
Jun 18, 2023, 5:37:11 AM6/18/23
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https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000280349750-m0pb6x-t500x500.jpg
HumbleBob2
Jun 18, 2023, 5:44:50 AM6/18/23
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Bizarre, even if every single crop circle is a "Hoax".
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