Trent Reznor said this...
Andrew Dunn
> - Trent Reznor September 8, 1994 pg 53
This was Rolling Stone, BTW, sorry for the confusion
st...@rosie.uh.edu
>"I don't look at Eddie Vedder as any person I'd ever call reference
>to, and I don't look at him as a pinnacle of being sincere at all."
>
> - Trent Reznor April '95 "Details" pg 203
>
>
Yeah well, nobody ever accused Trent of hanging the moon either...
--Jeff
David Lohmeyer
>
>
>All this from the man who played Woodstock for the money.
>-Andrew
At least he was honest about it...
...Dave
Jeremy Keehn
: >
: >
: >All this from the man who played Woodstock for the money.
: >-Andrew
: At least he was honest about it...
: ...Dave
True enough, but does honesty excuse greed and selling out?
I can respect Henry Rollins at least, because he admits that he doesn't
have a tremendous amount of talent (singing, I believe he was referring
to in the quote I'm thinking of. He's obviously a very talented writer),
but he's very good at what he does, which is loud, in-your-face type
rock. But from everything I've read about Trent Reznor, he considers
himself to be a talented musician and takes himself very seriously, yet
he has no problem prostituting his talent for money.
And Andy, I think a lot of bands who played Greedstock did it for the
money. And a lot of organizers.
Later,
Jeremy
--
'You think I got my eyes closed...I been lookin' at you the whole fuckin'
time'
'Nothing changes...torture then reward...torture then reward...torture
then reward...follows torture...follows reward'
-eddie vedder
John Gorenfeld
me stop thinking he's kind of a doofus.
: : >
: : >
Andrew Dunn
> : >All this from the man who played Woodstock for the money.
>
> : >-Andrew
>
> : At least he was honest about it...
>
> : ...Dave
True... but my point was to say that Trent has two sides to him it
seems... one is very brutally honest and the other is false and
theatrical... I don't know which side to take seriously. I enjoy Trents
honesty. What I like with Eddie is that he seems much more honest and
one sided than Trent, which makes Eddie more a person, and Trent more of
a dark shadowy figure. Does this make sence?
> True enough, but does honesty excuse greed and selling out?
No, but to beat on my own case he did say it so he could do a tour... I
will give him that much.
> I can respect Henry Rollins at least, because he admits that he doesn't
> have a tremendous amount of talent (singing, I believe he was referring
> to in the quote I'm thinking of. He's obviously a very talented writer),
> but he's very good at what he does, which is loud, in-your-face type
> rock. But from everything I've read about Trent Reznor, he considers
> himself to be a talented musician and takes himself very seriously, yet
> he has no problem prostituting his talent for money.
That's very true... I respect all of them for all of their musical
talent, and I think that's why I listen to this music, because the have
no great inborn talent... most of them were not born ready to play the
piano or the guitar, but they all made something they can share out of
that. What pisses me off is that people say that these people aren't
especially talented, and they technically are not, but they ARE REAL, and
that's what I love about them. They sing from the heart and affect me.
They all have passion and all deserve respect. That's better than half
the country/rap/alternative stuff that exists today...
Sorry if this didn't make sence of I went off on a tangent hehehe That
happens :)
> And Andy, I think a lot of bands who played Greedstock did it for the
> money. And a lot of organizers.
Yeah I realize it... sad ain't it? Didn't the origional bands do it for
free? That would be a good paper topic... the changes from Woodstock I
to Woodstock II
-Andrew
David Lohmeyer
(Jeremy Keehn) writes:
>
>David Lohmeyer (Dav...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>
>: >
>: >
>: >All this from the man who played Woodstock for the money.
>
>: >-Andrew
>
>: At least he was honest about it...
>
>: ...Dave
>
>True enough, but does honesty excuse greed and selling out?
When we get into this territory things get a little hazy. How do
you define "selling out"? As far as I'm concerned, if a band is true to
themselves (Nirvana) that's all you can ask.
...Dave
Jeremy Keehn
: In <3k7nmj$1a...@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> jke...@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca
: (Jeremy Keehn) writes:
: ...Dave
I completely agree with your last statement Dave, but I would define
selling out as someone who admits to doing stuff just for the money, in
this case. (As opposed to sharing the music and their talents, ie.
nirvana, pearl jam)
jeremy
Jeremy Keehn
: : ...Dave
I should qualify that- someone who does stuff for money when he doesn't
need it. Or who pretends to have high ideals, but will forget them for
the right price.
jeremy
Matt Smith
> "I don't look at Eddie Vedder as any person I'd ever call reference
> to, and I don't look at him as a pinnacle of being sincere at all."
> - Trent Reznor April '95 "Details" pg 203
Fuck you Trent...
Matt Smith
> > - Trent Reznor September 8, 1994 pg 53
> This was Rolling Stone, BTW, sorry for the confusion
Still... fuck you Trent
jot
(Jeremy Keehn) wrote:
Trent played Woodstock for the money. He needed the money in order to
finance his tour. He wanted to tour in order to play for his fans,
and without Woodstock his tour would have been a losing propostion.
IOW, he did "stuff just for the money" in order the "share the music"
and his talents. No greed; no sellout.
cheers,
jot
Jeremy Keehn
: > I completely agree with your last statement Dave, but I would define
: > this case. (As opposed to sharing the music and their talents, ie.
: > nirvana, pearl jam)
: Trent played Woodstock for the money. He needed the money in order to
: finance his tour. He wanted to tour in order to play for his fans,
: and without Woodstock his tour would have been a losing propostion.
: IOW, he did "stuff just for the money" in order the "share the music"
: and his talents. No greed; no sellout.
: cheers,
: jot
I followed this up in order to specify a little bit more what I meant,
but I sincerely doubt that Trent would have lost money on his tour.
However, I probably shouldn't judge him, because I don't really know his
motives. I just react with disgust at woodstock II as a whole.
jeremy
Delilah Alexander
> "I don't look at Eddie Vedder as any person I'd ever call reference
> to, and I don't look at him as a pinnacle of being sincere at all."
>
> - Trent Reznor April '95 "Details" pg 203
I do like NIN, and have nothing against them, but I don't think Trent
should be referring to EV like that, being it so that Reznor seems to be
an Eddie wannabe himself. And if I had to describe Eddie in five words,
one of them would definately be sincere.
"Basically I don't want to hear anybody telling me any more fucking lies,"
-EV
Peace,
Delilah
--
Delilah Alexander
Jeremy Keehn
: I do like NIN, and have nothing against them, but I don't think Trent
: should be referring to EV like that, being it so that Reznor seems to be
: an Eddie wannabe himself. And if I had to describe Eddie in five words,
: one of them would definately be sincere.
I don't like NIN, but I would definitely say that Trent Reznor is not
similar at all to EV. Their music styles and lyrics are not alike at
all. In what way is Trent a wannabe? Even though I don't like his
music, he has always struck me as being very much an individual.
Jeremy
Donald Simmons
Really? I don't. I kinda expected it. When was the last time a sequel
was better than the original (Spielberg & Lucas movies excluded)?
Honestly, Woodstock II was a complete turn around from the original. I
mean, enormous advertising campaigns, hideously large ticket prices,
commercial endorsements... what the fuck were they thinking? Who
actually organized that thing anyway? And how much money did they rake
in? >:(
--Andy
Visualize Whirled Peas
1) A Trent quote from the "Painful Convictions" CD liner:
"We use synthesizers, put on a theatrical show, maybe even use
costumes. We've made concept albums with no real singles. We're
not from Seattle, and we don't play seventies rock."
(source unknown)
While this quote may be directly bashing on either Pearl Jam or the
whole grunge thing, I don't even think it matters. They're two different
bands, and if Pearl Jam has heard what Trent has said about them, they're
the bigger and better people for not lashing back. Our boys speak with
songs, not knives.
2) To me, being a 'sellout' doesn't mean making more money necessarily.
I've always thought it to be changing your music to appeal to a larger
audience. In my humblest of opinions, PJ has not done that at all. NIN is
more of a culprit (again, IMHO. I still love NIN). By producing music
specifically designed to alienate fans ("Broken", for example), they are
just as much being dictated by the taste of the masses than the bands who
produce music *for* the masses. PJ seems to not give a damn about who
listens, other than they're personal friends, and that's just great with me.
With a grain of salt,
Tim
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Andrew Dunn
> I don't like NIN, but I would definitely say that Trent Reznor is not
> similar at all to EV. Their music styles and lyrics are not alike at
> all. In what way is Trent a wannabe? Even though I don't like his
> music, he has always struck me as being very much an individual.>
> Jeremy
OK I talked to my best friend tonight and we talked about this subject.
She recently saw NIN in concert and like I loves both Pearl Jam and Nine
Inch Nails... and this is what we came up with. Eddie Vedder and Trent Reznor
are two totally different people. We said that from the music and
interviews we think that Eddie is tourtured by means which he can't help
and can't accept and doesn't quite fully understand, and that's where his
pain lies... in the unknown. We took Trent as being more of a "I'm going
to hell and I'm taking you with me" type guy, who knows what the problems
are and is just all destroyed and angry. See we are dealing with two
types of pain, and two types of emotion, but I think Trent missed the
point.... is Eddie un-sensier(sp? sorry it's 2:07am :) or is the music
unsensier... Because we came up with for Trent the music is very from the
heart, but we can't determine if he lives with the pain as much as Eddie
does or if Trent just brings it out when it's convienent, like when he's
on stage... I'm rambling so I will stop.
We also said that Trent might have said that just because he is compared
to Eddie so much... just as Eddie was compared to Kurt.
-Andrew
Donald Simmons
I think the primary difference is that Eddie writes/sings about pain that
he carries, or has empathy for. Trent writes more about pain around him
and in general. "Head Like A Hole" is a message from the singer to
someone else, as is "Terrible Lie." The exact messages in NIN songs are
very hard to decipher, but they never seem to be about something that
we can feel for. It seems mostly to be crime, hate, death... etc. Eddie
writes about love (or loss of it), confusion, betrayal... all can be tied
to love in one way or another. It's difficult to explain, but just
listen to the music. The emotions portrayed are entirely opposite ends
of the spectrum.
Joshua Meredith
: Yeah, I guess you're right. Forgive my bullheaded spew. Next time I should
: think before I post my opinions. It's just that when NIN started becoming
: popular this year, it struck me that Trent, however original, seemed to me
: to be just another one of those brooding, darksided musicians. Maybe
: wannabe was the wrong word. Maybe "unintentional follower" works better?
: Lately I've been noticing a lot of music these days has the same moody
: tinge. I hope it's not a syndrome.
Reznor's been moody ever since his first album, which came out in 1989.
Regardless of what you think of his music, I don't think he's a wannabe
or an "unintentional follower" any more than Vedder is -- who's debut album
came out about two years later.
SEGAL, STEPHANIE L.
i do not care in the least for the so called music produced by nine inch nails
but i know many many people do, and so be it. but i do recognize the fact that
trent reznor has the right to formulate opinions about whomever as much as the
next person, or you or me. whether or not you let that affect you in any way,
is up to you. personally, i don't care what anyone else thinks about the folks
i admire, love, respect, hate,......the opinions of others don't influence me,
especially without factual reason.
don't let it get to you is all.
steph
RanfRL
Once a band accepts money from a record label, does that make them a
sellout? Is the only "alternative" music that which is performed in small
dark clubs by bands that consist of pizza delivery men and grocery clerks?
The term sellout is thrown around so much but cannot be defined. If a
great band like Smashing Pumpkins can release an album like "Pisces
Iscariot" and call it a "cash cow" (Billy Corgan), do you think they care
if someone calls them a sellout?
Re: Henry Rollins
Someone who says U2's The Edge is the worst guitarist he ever heard and
goes on to further personally attack one of the most successful and
influential bands in music history hardy qualifies as an expert on success
and the music industry.
Re: Nirvana, True to themselves?
This is probably flame bait, but suicide hardly qualifies complete
self-acceptance and honesty.
Re: Trent
Musical genius? Probably. Unabashed publicity seeker? Definately. Take
what he says with a grain of salt.
Rob
David Lohmeyer
>Re: Nirvana, True to themselves?
>
>This is probably flame bait, but suicide hardly qualifies complete
>self-acceptance and honesty.
What the fuck do you mean by that? Kurt was clinically
depressed on for all his talent that was something he couldn't control.
And to even question Nirvana's sincerety! They did what pleased
themselves, not every one else. Instead of releasing a "Nevermind 2"
they released "In Utero" a very beautiful album, but far from
commercial. Pearl Jam ARE a much more commercial band than Nirvana-I'm
not insulting them for that, that's just the way they are. It's much
easier for the masses to accept a band like Pearl Jam, then the
sometimes much more abrasive Nirvana.
...Dave
Debra
ran...@aol.com (RanfRL) writes:
> Re:Selling out
>
> Once a band accepts money from a record label, does that make them a
> sellout? Is the only "alternative" music that which is performed in small
> dark clubs by bands that consist of pizza delivery men and grocery clerks?
> The term sellout is thrown around so much but cannot be defined. If a
> great band like Smashing Pumpkins can release an album like "Pisces
> Iscariot" and call it a "cash cow" (Billy Corgan), do you think they care
> if someone calls them a sellout?
Then Billy Cogan's being honest about it. I think the criticism comes
in when a band accepts money from a major label and agrees to be
trotted around the country promoting themselves and thus becomes part
of the music business machinery, yet tries to claim they aren't.
Obviously you can admit it, as Smashing Pumpkins seem to do, and still
make great music. Same with Trent.
--Debra
--
Roberto L Diaz
Distribution: world
jot (tui...@sfu.ca) wrote:
: In article <3k9rdh$a...@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>, jke...@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca
: (Jeremy Keehn) wrote:
: Trent played Woodstock for the money. He needed the money in order to
: finance his tour. He wanted to tour in order to play for his fans,
: and without Woodstock his tour would have been a losing propostion.
: IOW, he did "stuff just for the money" in order the "share the music"
: and his talents. No greed; no sellout.
: cheers,
: jot
: couldn't have put it better myself. you go jot.
Roberto L Diaz
: In article <3k68gk$3...@nntp3.u.washington.edu>, Keith Haynes
: <hayn...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
: Peace,
: Delilah
:
: Delilah Alexander
:
: Delilah, how do you figure that trent reznor is an eddie vedder
wannabe? i definitely see no connection. just wondering, rob
SEGAL, STEPHANIE L.
well, in order to change a system, or break free of a sys tem is it not a near
necessity to, at least for awhile, be part of that system?
case in point the grateful dead. one day i hope pearl jam will be what the dead
has become..a touring band with the fans as part of the family. totally
seperate from all else. but the dead weren't always as they are now, no, they
had to gain the power to do so first. perhaps this is what pearl jam, who i
can't help but feel you're pinpointing pearl jam above. well if a similar
situation to the dead will be the result of being part of the machinery then so
be it. its not their fault that you need the power and funds to break away.
give them time. they will. i hope.
thye know they're a part of it, and have to be. i don't think they deny it as
much as they resent it.
steph
RanfRL
Dave wrote:
: What the fuck do you mean by that? Kurt was clinically
:depressed on for all his talent that was something he couldn't control.
: And to even question Nirvana's sincerety! They did what pleased
:themselves, not every one else. Instead of releasing a "Nevermind 2"
:they released "In Utero" a very beautiful album, but far from
:commercial. Pearl Jam ARE a much more commercial band than Nirvana-I'm
:not insulting them for that, that's just the way they are. It's much
:easier for the masses to accept a band like Pearl Jam, then the
:sometimes much more abrasive Nirvana.
...Dave
In response to my message reading:
>Re: Nirvana, True to themselves?
>
>This is probably flame bait, but suicide hardly qualifies complete
>self-acceptance and honesty.
Hmm. "In Utero" has been categorized as non-commercial since its release,
but isn't "Incesticide" much more deserving of that label? I'm not here to
slam Nirvana, though. They were one of the few popular bands in recent
memory that can be categorized as original. What I meant, Dave, is: how
can Kurt be called true to himself or his music, or his band (a statement
that implies that he enjoys what he is doing) when he deprived himself of
continuing to make that music and the others in his band of continuing to
do so, also. That's all. I'm going to really try to refrain from more
comment on the matter because Kurt's death has really been rehashed to
excess.
Regards,
Rob
David Lohmeyer
>can Kurt be called true to himself or his music, or his band (a
statement
>that implies that he enjoys what he is doing) when he deprived himself
of
>continuing to make that music and the others in his band of continuing
to
>do so, also. That's all. I'm going to really try to refrain from more
>comment on the matter because Kurt's death has really been rehashed to
>excess.
>
>Regards,
>Rob
Because he was clinically depressed, and that was something he
couldn't control. However, his sincerety is something that (at least to
me) can't be denied.
...Dave
Limecarpet
they played it in order to be able to afford their expensive tour
