pre-occupied with sex

[Gerry McConkey]

You know, a lot of people think that artists or those on the edge or those at
the rim of the coffee cup of life, are constantly thinking about sex. Thinking
about sex gives us a certain kind of satisfaction and stimulus to go about
our daily business with a bit of extra awareness. (Maybe the anticipation is
the strongest force!) While all animals have the instinct, the artist or
writer gets down and funky with it. We laugh at filthy language and sex jokes,
we are still startled if Lenny Bruce asks "didjacomegood?" or Eddie Vedder
says "I get to fuck you!" Opening up that small door to our sexuality is
always sensually liberating. Kids who are still wondering about the mysteries
of it all, youth who clumsily experiment, young couples in desperate love who
will fuck anywhere, anytime, the mature sensuality of experienced lovers, the
intimate respect of long-marrieds - it's all different, it's all the same.
Part of us all.

It must be spring. I'm thinking about sex all the time. WWhooooooo-hooooo!!!

ciao, babies,
Ger

"Do you go through life pushing on doors that say "Pull"?

[PB and PJ]

One of my Lit. teachers told us about a study done sometime ago, this study
confirmed that during class, 80% of the time people are thinking about sex.
hmmmm......

[PMSherm]

Warning: This post contains a lot of stuff about fucking, parental guidance
suggested...LOLS!!!!! Yeah and there's some stuff about Ed in here too.....

Ger your post was AWESOME!

Ger posted: <<"Do you go through life pushing on doors that say "Pull"?>>
YES!!! LOLS!!!

Ohhh, my favorite subject, SEX!

<<this study confirmed that during class, 80% of the time people are thinking
about sex.>>

Yep! Very true! March 20th, the first day of spring! The best *fucking* time
of the year!

Ummm, Ger? I loved your post. But I have to interject something here. I
don't think Ed was trying to open that small door to our sexuality to liberate
us by saying, "I get to fuck you!", or "You get to fuck me!" or "Eddie I want
to fuck you"...or "Fuck me Eddie"....well you get my point....I think he's
poking fun at the estrogen-charged females <*cough* and maybe some males :)>
that would give their left tit or testicle to fuck the shit out of him! Ok, so
maybe Ed did liberate me a little with those comments...LOLS! Frankly, the
word *sex* gets me horny. It doesn't matter if it's coming from Ed's mouth or
not.

And when I read Ed saying, "You get to fuck me" or "I get to fuck you", my head
registers that as being a snowballs chance in hell of ever happening! LOLS!!!
As I sed to a friend the other day, cuz of course we were talking about these
Ed comments, I mentioned having a better chance of winning 10 million dollars
from Ed McMann than fucking Ed Vedder. And to my friend who may be reading
this, yeah, I sed blowing but this post is about fucking!

That same friend reminded me of the comment Ed sed, "If it isn't fun, it's
funny." Ed hated it when fans were all over him like a cheap suit. He may
have lightened up, but I don't think he's changed him opinion regarding that,
not one bit. Like, Ed sed, "I don't know what you're yelling at me," Vedder
told the crowd, reacting to the incessant shouts from the audience, "but from
up here it all sounds like 'I want to fuck you, Eddie." This comment to me
means that this is Ed's way of fucking with us. Does anyone remember the
helmit? Another joke! That was Ed being Ed, trying his hardest not to be
sexy! When has Ed ever NOT been blantant about something, blantantly
sarcastic that is....and the mad prankster strikes again!

Now when Ed was younger, he was better at trying to liberate sexually. I
remember reading him saying something when PJ used to open for the Red Hot
Chilli Peppers. Ed sed something like, "They may dance around in their
underwear, but we get naked." Tease! Never once have we ever seen that!

Ger sed: <<While all animals have the instinct, the artist or writer gets down
and funky with it. >>

I'm still waiting for Ed to get down and funky with it!

Aless covered the sexuality in rock music pretty well in a very well worded
post somewhere in the newsgroup in a thread entitled "Pearl Jam is burned out".
She made a comment, I think referring to 70's rock, but don't shoot me if I'm
wrong, cuz the statement speaks for itself.

"this is my dick, see it, like it, kiss it"<----that's genius! it's missing a
few choice verbs, but it's sheer genius!

In the spirit of Ger's post, just ONCE I'd like to see Ed prance around those
above words of genius...LOLS!!! Just for the hell of it! Ok, so Ed did prance
around the subject just a little during Monkeywrench in his own bashful and
tasteful way....making woopie...morning wood....referring to the President's
present predicament as "sexually intriquing"....ummm ok Ed....loosen up a bit!
It's ok to talk about sex for crying out loud! It's even better to sing about
it! Don't tell me he didn't have fun singing Doors tunes. I saw the damn look
on his face when he was singing Break on Thru! Aside from all the blushing he
was doing.....HE WAS HAVING FUN!

Ya see, I'd rather hear about sex in music than on CNN or ESPN or the evening
news!

Aless goes on to say: <<there was defiance in rock (of course) and the songs
expressed our desire to do drugs, to dance, to love and to fuck.>>

Has any of these really changed? I mean really? Substitute the drug part and
throw in a beer or two and a pack of condoms and I still want to do all the
rest! I can't help it! I was brought up by the Doors, Led Zep, Hendrix and
Janis Joplin. Seeing Ed denounce all the sex from the 70's was quite an
eye-opener as he told us stories of rape, incest and serial killers! And we
got worn out clothes patched up with duct tape, as opposed to tight pants and
erotic lyrics! Well Ed made up for that with Push Me Pull Me...but I don't
think he was even trying! The lyrics don't match the sentiment of his
voice....oh well...I'll take it anyway! And be happy about it!

Well, I'm hoping now that the band is comfortable, Ed will find a creative way,
the only way he knows how, to throw a little fun into a future song. Better
yet, let Jeff, Stoney, Mike or Jack write about it! That's part of what rock
n' roll is all about! Look at Elvis! Jerry Lee Lewis! The Beatles! Sex is a
subject I've yet to see Ed breach thoroughly, except to joke about it! He tip
toes around it, with like, the Alone lyrics <She's standing naked and
apologizing, reaches for her `till his mind becomes blood hot>. Then when he
sang Patriot, which was awesome by the way, when he gets to this part,
"I went walking, with my girlfriend
She looked so fine, I said baby what's on your mind
She said I wanna run like the lions
Released from their cages
Released from the rages burning in my soul tonight...I am a patriot..." HE WAS
A SMILIN'!

And who the hell doesn't want to run like the lions from their cages once in a
while!

And the line from Rats, "Fuck to procreate till they are dead" just ain't
cuttin' it for me! And the song "fuck me in the brain" is just too angry.
Christ, I heard Ed blushed singing a Stones tune having something to do with
making love. What the hell is the name of that song again damnit?

Just once Ed, just once! Something meaningfully and tastefully erotic! Give
us a thrill just for the hell of it! Hasn't that man been hanging out with
Dennis Rodman long enough to figure it out? And I don't want comments about
fucking or being fucking by him. I want a song about what Ger was talking
about, the essence of sex, the love, the dangerous stare, the abandon, the
willfulness, the excitement, the force, the anticipation! Damn, Ed can write
songs about everything under the fucking sun and make it sound like a freaking
anthem! I bet he can do WONDERS writing a song about making love! And with
that damn awesome voice of his, CHRIST, my husband and I wouldn't leave the
bedroom for a month!

Yeah yeah, I can hear some saying that sex is everywhere, in advertising, in
sitcoms, in the news, in made-for-tv-movies, in magazines...well there's a
reason for that! Love makes the world go round!

Oh well, I guess a tease is better than nothing. I betta stop b4 I say
something I might get in trouble for, like I haven't already. Apologies to
those I've offended with the subject of sex....but I'm sure Led Zep, Aerosmith
and Van Halen ain't apologizing!

And of course, let me say, that this entire post is presented with a fun-loving
heart. I mean no disrespect to Ed....even when all he hears from the audience
is "I wanna fuck you Eddie". Besides, he started it! LOLS!!!! I'm sure the
audience ain't screaming that at him! That little shit! :)

Ger sed: <<Thinking about sex gives us a certain kind of satisfaction and

stimulus to go about our daily business with a bit of extra awareness. (Maybe
the anticipation is the strongest force!)>>

Beautifully put!

Ger goes on: <<young couples in desperate love who will fuck anywhere, anytime,

the mature sensuality of experienced lovers, the intimate respect of
long-marrieds>>

Just for the record, before I go and finally get off the subject of sex :) I'd
like to say that the intimate respectful long-married experienced lovers STILL
FUCK DESPERATELY ANYWHERE, ANYTIME!!! Ok, I'm done :)

Have a sweet day!
Paula
phew!

[Gerry McConkey]

In article <19980306203...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
pba...@aol.com (PB and PJ) wrote:
>
>
>One of my Lit. teachers told us about a study done sometime ago, this study

>confirmed that during class, 80% of the time people are thinking about sex.

>hmmmm......
>

So, as a future teacher, if I can incorporate sex into my teaching methods
somehow, I should be able to obtain maximum attention from at least 80% of the
class. I will keep that in mind as I am developing my daily lessons.

"Okay, people, today I'd like to tell you a little story about this guy I once
knew. I didn't know him personally but I had these great fantasies about him
and every time I did, I'd be so amazed at the energy that was created from the
inner world I formed. So, while you are answering written questions today, I
want you to picture yourself with your favourite person, alone in a sunny
field and doing whatever you want with each other - no guilt, no paranoia, no
limits."

But I won't tell them that my fantasies were simply having mind-blowing,
private conversations with someone like Ed. Nothing sexual at all. (Maybe
that's because we're both married...) Sound intriguing? I do remember that
most of the instructors I ever got off on (whew!) were right out front (pardon
the pun) about human sexuality.

Oh, man, I gotta go...
Ger

[Laurie Hester]

Beast of Burden. Now that we got that straight, let me just say that I think
Eddie used to hate all the attention he got as a sex object, but I believe he's
getting into it now. The teasing in Hawaii, the Aussie shows. A bit more blunt
than Mick Jagger's 1969 "You don't want my trousers to fall down, now, do you?"
Maybe in another 8 or so years, when he's 40, he'll be going through that
middle-age crisis bit, and we'll start hearing about sex. After all, his lyrics do
reflect what he's going through in his life. And I hate to say it, but he's been
with Beth an awful long time; you know hot sex is probably not in the forefront of
his mind! Sorry, I hate to comment/speculate on Eddie's private business!

Laurie

[Rick Creech]

> Ohhh, my favorite subject, SEX!

> Yep! Very true! March 20th, the first day of spring! The best *fucking* time
> of the year!

> Ger goes on: <<young couples in desperate love who will fuck anywhere, anytime,

uh..can we please get off (no pun intended) the sex subject here? i
know, if you don't like the post then don't read it, but i find myself
curious and somewhat displeased about this kinda stuff. just the subject
makes me uncomfortable, that's all.

.rick.

[Jett Karma]

pms...@aol.com (PMSherm) wrote:

***********
Both of you ladies---my pleasure to know you. Most sincerely. What
fabulous posts and thoughts. I'm having a very sweet day indeed.

--Jett, long-married, respectfully disrespectful...and LOVING IT!

[Gerry McConkey]

>uh..can we please get off (no pun intended) the sex subject here? i
>know, if you don't like the post then don't read it, but i find myself
>curious and somewhat displeased about this kinda stuff. just the subject
>makes me uncomfortable, that's all.
>

>..rick.

Are you Irish?

[PMSherm]

Rick sed: <<uh..can we please get off (no pun intended) the sex subject here? i

know, if you don't like the post then don't read it, but i find myself curious
and somewhat displeased about this kinda stuff. just the subject makes me
uncomfortable, that's all.>>

Like I sed in my post, and I meant it, I'm sorry if I offended anyone with my
comments. But I just have to know, so I can understand, how the hell does this
subject make you uncomfortable and why? Because it's distasteful? I'll tell
you what's distasteful! The posts that say Pearl Jam is burned out, the posts
that say Ed is an asshole, the posts that say Beth is a ugly pig, the posts
that call Mike a fat-ass, the posts that say their new tour is going to blow
cuz they're using TM or they aren't coming to someone's city. THAT'S
DISTASTEFUL! Ok, I'm not getting angry at you, Rick, I'm just a person that
doesn't have a problem talking about what makes you feel uncomfortable...that's
all. And that alone is a topic for a different discussion...the reasons why
you shouldn't talk about things like that. I personally think it should be
talked about, and not hushed about! Just my opinion.

So I won't get into it again. I sed my peace about the topic. But I would
like to say something to Laurie, whose post was great!

Laurie sed:<<Sorry, I hate to comment/speculate on Eddie's private business!>>

Why not? Because it's Ed? Or because you don't like to speculate or comment
on anyone's sexuality? If it's the later, then that's cool, you don't want to
comment on anyone's sexuality. No problem. But IF you do it to others, then
why are you excluding Ed. Ya see, I don't think it's a crime to talk about Ed
in the speculative sense. But I'm sure I'd be slapped around in here for that
opinion. There's no harm in it, as long as you just say you're speculating,
it's fun. The closest of friends speculative about each other.

I'm not stalking Ed, and I really don't care about his sex life, or his
priviate life. But it's fun to just poke a little fun at it once in a while,
with fun-loving reasoning. What you mentioned about Ed and Beth being together
for a long time, I agree with your reasoning, and it settled my mind on the
subject. But when I got to your last comment, I felt strange, and I almost
felt bad for saying anything at all. But I'm not! Yeah, Ed wanted his
privacy, and we gave it to him, loyal fans that is. But for crying out loud,
we can't speculate a little bit on Ed?....just a little? I think what you sed
in your post was awesome! There was nothing wrong with it, especially the part
of the mid life crisis, it was a projected observation, and valid one.
LOLS!!!!

So all I'm saying, Laurie, is that Ed is a human, just like the rest of us and
there's nothing wrong with connecting the dots, as long as it's done in a
manner that isn't rumor-causing. I made observations in my last post because
they were provoked by Ed himself. And then I stated what *I* wanted to see
happen in the future. It's human nature to make assumptions about other human
beings. Most people are very inquisitive. And I find once you engage in the
act of speculating, then the questions go away after you talk about it for
awhile. That's why I wanted to say something about sex, since Ger so nicely
brought it up. I've been dying to talk about this shit, especially with Ed's
comments of late! LOLS!!! But I'm done now and I got it out of my system and
I feel better.

Just an example of speculating about Ed....about his relationship with Dennis
Rodman. At first it floored me, but once I absorbed everyone's opinions and
read some stuff about the two of them, I'm at peace with my surprise at their
friendship. I just couldn't picture the two of them friends, and that was just
my problem. It really doesn't matter what I think. They're friends and that's
great, and all that matters. But they are in the public eye, and the public
hears about it and that caused speculation. Look at the President, we
speculate about him all the time. Is it a case that we should or shouldn't? I
just really think that if there are enough questions for a discussion, it
should be talked about and put to bed. This is just my opinion. I think the
act of surpressing inquisitiveness is unnatural, and stiffling, and only causes
more speculation.

Ok, now I can go clean my apartment...lols!
Take care,
Paula

[Laurie Hester]

PMSherm wrote:

> So I won't get into it again. I sed my peace about the topic. But I would
> like to say something to Laurie, whose post was great!
>
> Laurie sed:<<Sorry, I hate to comment/speculate on Eddie's private business!>>
>
> Why not? Because it's Ed? Or because you don't like to speculate or comment
> on anyone's sexuality? If it's the later, then that's cool, you don't want to
> comment on anyone's sexuality. No problem. But IF you do it to others, then
> why are you excluding Ed. Ya see, I don't think it's a crime to talk about Ed
> in the speculative sense. But I'm sure I'd be slapped around in here for that
> opinion. There's no harm in it, as long as you just say you're speculating,
> it's fun. The closest of friends speculative about each other.
>

Well, I don't think it's nice to do to anyone, but some don't mind it (witness
Baywatch babe and her abusive rock star husband), and Eddie does mind it.

> I'm not stalking Ed, and I really don't care about his sex life, or his
> priviate life. But it's fun to just poke a little fun at it once in a while,
> with fun-loving reasoning. What you mentioned about Ed and Beth being together
> for a long time, I agree with your reasoning, and it settled my mind on the
> subject. But when I got to your last comment, I felt strange, and I almost
> felt bad for saying anything at all. But I'm not! Yeah, Ed wanted his
> privacy, and we gave it to him, loyal fans that is. But for crying out loud,
> we can't speculate a little bit on Ed?....just a little? I think what you sed
> in your post was awesome! There was nothing wrong with it, especially the part
> of the mid life crisis, it was a projected observation, and valid one.
> LOLS!!!!
>
> So all I'm saying, Laurie, is that Ed is a human, just like the rest of us and
> there's nothing wrong with connecting the dots, as long as it's done in a
> manner that isn't rumor-causing. I made observations in my last post because
> they were provoked by Ed himself. And then I stated what *I* wanted to see
> happen in the future. It's human nature to make assumptions about other human
> beings. Most people are very inquisitive. And I find once you engage in the
> act of speculating, then the questions go away after you talk about it for
> awhile. That's why I wanted to say something about sex, since Ger so nicely
> brought it up. I've been dying to talk about this shit, especially with Ed's
> comments of late! LOLS!!! But I'm done now and I got it out of my system and
> I feel better.
>

I agree about comments that aren't rumor-mongering being okay. I wasn't in any way
chastising you, and I probably crossed the line more than you did! Just feeling a
tad guilty, is all!

> Just an example of speculating about Ed....about his relationship with Dennis
> Rodman. At first it floored me, but once I absorbed everyone's opinions and
> read some stuff about the two of them, I'm at peace with my surprise at their
> friendship. I just couldn't picture the two of them friends, and that was just
> my problem. It really doesn't matter what I think. They're friends and that's
> great, and all that matters. But they are in the public eye, and the public
> hears about it and that caused speculation. Look at the President, we
> speculate about him all the time. Is it a case that we should or shouldn't? I
> just really think that if there are enough questions for a discussion, it
> should be talked about and put to bed. This is just my opinion. I think the
> act of surpressing inquisitiveness is unnatural, and stiffling, and only causes
> more speculation.
>
> Ok, now I can go clean my apartment...lols!
> Take care,
> Paula

Hey, as far as the President goes, let's speculate all we want, but how about
keeping it in the gossip realm, instead of trying to make rumors grounds for
impeachment! Talk about crossing the line!

Laurie

[PMSherm]

Hi Laurie :)

<<Well, I don't think it's nice to do to anyone, but some don't mind it
(witness Baywatch babe and her abusive rock star husband), and Eddie does mind
it.>>

Yes, I agree, he does mind it. That's why I mentioned that he was making fun
of it. He may be *getting into* more than he did before, but that's cuz he's
matured. And you didn't cross the line, per say, your observation was well
worded and not outrageous like what's going on with the Pamela Lee. Hey, I
don't want to speculate on Ed's sex life in depth. Just wanna see him someday
give us a song that's beautifully written and performed that talks about one of
the joys of life :)

<<I wasn't in any way chastising you, and I probably crossed the line more than
you did! Just feeling a tad guilty, is all!>>

Don't feel guilty :) Like I sed, you words were well put. And I, like you,
don't want to go into the deep shit...lols! No reason to. When I read the
last line of your first post, I just needed to say that it's not a crime to
discuss, as long as it stays nice. Which I think we both did reasonably, and
that's very cool.

<<Hey, as far as the President goes, let's speculate all we want, but how about
keeping it in the gossip realm, instead of trying to make rumors grounds for
impeachment! Talk about crossing the line!>>

Definitely keep it in the gossip realm! BUT! There is a question, outside of
the gossip, that pertains to our dear President lying under oath. THAT is
grounds for impeachment, not the fact that he did anything. The fact that he
MAY have lied about it, under oath, is a fucking crime! I don't care if he
can't keep his other head from getting in trouble, that's his business. But if
he would have taken the 5th or sed that he did do it, then fine...over and done
with. But I personally think he lied under oath, and that needs to be
addressed, out of the gossip realm. But if it can't be proven within a shadow
of a doubt, let it the fuck go and get on with business. It's the lying that
bothers me, not the messing around.

But I would like to say something about the messing around for a second. I
would like to think that our President is a role model for our children. And I
would like to know what the femanists, who support Clinton, think about a man
who may have taken advantage of some women. Yeah, this shit goes on everyday,
believe me, I know. I'm a woman who has her own business. I found it very
hard in the beginning to be taken seriously by men, and sometimes I was looked
upon as a object instead of a human. I hate that! I have to dress differently
when I go to meetings, to make sure that I'm not looked at in a certain way. I
must represent a powerful side more so than a man....and I realize that is just
a part of life, and I'm not complaining, I deal with it. Cuz as much as I love
sex, I'm married and I believe in commitment and fidelity! Sex is used as a
weapon in the business world, STILL, despite all the efforts to diminish this
situation. And morals play a huge part in this situation. Men and women will
always have this problem, cuz deep down inside, we're all primal, no matter how
civilized we claim to be.

Morals can be supported and honored, and sex can still be talked about, as far
as I'm concerned. But again, this is a topic for a different discussion.

I feel *messing around* really puts a bad light on the whole sexuality thang.
It's such a beautiful side of life, and for humans it's the most pleasureable,
aside from being instinctive, but it needs to be put in it's place and
appreciated for what it is. That's what I loved about Ger's post, it addressed
the beauty of sexuality, not the darkness of it. Cuz there is a dark side,
that starts with *messing around*, and snowballs from there. That force is
hard to handle sometimes, but it has to be handled in order to make this a
subject that isn't taboo. I can't stand the fact that sex is a taboo subject.
But this is another part of life and requires an indepth look in the many
facets of sexuality, that would probably get blown out of portion in this
newsgroup. So...enough sed.

Thank you Laurie, for stimulating my brain :)
Paula

[Jett Karma]

Rick Creech <qb...@EriNet.com> wrote:

>> Ohhh, my favorite subject, SEX!
>

>> Yep! Very true! March 20th, the first day of spring! The best *fucking* time
>> of the year!
>

>> Ger goes on: <<young couples in desperate love who will fuck anywhere, anytime,
>
>

>uh..can we please get off (no pun intended) the sex subject here? i
>know, if you don't like the post then don't read it, but i find myself
>curious and somewhat displeased about this kinda stuff. just the subject
>makes me uncomfortable, that's all.
>

>.rick.

*************
Warning...More sexually-oriented commentary. Don't read it if you
find such stuff offensive in any way. Delete this.

Maybe that's the answer. A little warning for people who don't like
to read this kind of commentary (I believe such a warning was included
in this thread to begin with...if you go on reading, that's a *choice
you make*...it's not like a conversation in the next cubicle you can't
help but overhear). I don't think anybody went crazy here and posted
something worthy of inclusion in some other alt ngs I could name. It
was someone celebrating sexuality in a healthy, general way and making
a couple of speculations about someone else, a very public someone
else. I don't see anything wrong with it. Just as I don't see
anything wrong with a lot folks' fixation in this ng with using
"strong language." If the word "fuck" in any of it's senses offends
me, I would stay away. If the word __________ offends me, I avoid it
(unless I have good political reasons not to--then I confront). This
is an unmoderated ng and the post *was* on-topic *and* people were
warned about the content (mild stuff).

I can see being offended if you are being confronted with something
you don't want to hear/see and can't avoid. I *can't* understand
being offended when you can easily avoid and delete the occasional
personally offensive thing. That's called freedom of choice. If your
choice is to continue reading on a topic that you don't like, I would
say you need to ask yourself some very serious questions and find out
why you chose to engage in behavior that leaves you feeling bad. Why
continue to read something that leaves you feeling disquieted? Why
continue to drink until you throw up? Why do things that don't do you
well? Personal responsibility is not a bad thing; in fact, it's a
necessary thing to get the most out of life for yourself.

You know, if I were to get an envelope in the snail mail that was
marked "Sexually explicit material--Adults Only--open only if you will
not be offended by graphic depictions of sex acts" and I felt very
strongly against pornographic images and was very offended by these
things, I would be a fool to open the envelope and proceed to
scandalize myself. They told me...don't open the damn envelope!
Throw the thing into the trash unopened and go about your business.
Heck, if I were to get an envelope in the mail marked "Pre-occupied
With Sex Corporation", and I felt the same way, I'd do the same thing
with that envelope--I wouldn't open it (my guess would be that the
contents would show a certain preoccupation with sex, even if they
didn't put a huge warning banner on the envelope <g>). Same principle
here...very same...if I get enough of the ads from a particular
company I "kill file" the company. It's not like I *have* to get mail
from them, and I certainly don't have to read *anything* they send me.

Maybe it's just me and my reasoning is off, but this is a ng virtually
devoted to a guy who practically invented the word "fuck" (or, at the
very least is the living reincarnation of the person who did <g>). A
guy who kids about eight- or nine-way marriages with other guys and
who jokingly asks the men in attendance at a show if and how many of
them would like to fuck him. To me, that's a lot more offensive than
some post on the ng that you can easily choose not to read. If you're
offended by such things, the show/band should be much more
offensive...it would be hard to selectively cover your ears and hum to
keep the sound out. My point is that this band and this ng is not
exactly dedicated inoffensive thought and language, and I think that's
not something that needs a lot of clarification. The band's name is
"pearl jam," folks...which is only slightly more acceptable than if
they called themselves "Fuck," but way more clever. (Also, that's
already been done--couldn't Alice in Chains sue them if they were to
do that?)

I don't feel it's wrong to feel discomfort with various subjects (lord
knows there are several which just *send* me and with which I am
highly uncomfortable). But use some common sense; if you know it's
something you don't personally enjoy, just stay away from that thread.
I hope I am not being rude in my opinions about this; that isn't my
intent. And, it not really my intent to say that you *shouldn't* be
offended. I'm just saying, if something labeled "pre-occupied with
sex" is going to offend you, it just makes sense not to read it. It's
not like the denizens of alt.really.weird.easter-bunny.fetish moved
in, you know, and are going on about their fetish, but just tacking on
a band member's name at the end of every post. It's one lousy thread
that no one's forcing anyone else to look at--and is even on-subject.

Of course, it's a public forum and you're as much entitled to make
comments as I am, and I respect that. I'm not saying your shouldn't
complain/comment either. I'm just saying, you will be ranted at
because what you're complaining about doesn't make much sense.

--Jett, who, four out of five prison dentists would agree, is much
less easily offended than the average Joe, and tries to keep that in
mind

[PMSherm]

to everything Jett just sed....

FUCKIN A!!!!!!!!!! :)

<<Maybe it's just me and my reasoning is off, but this is a ng virtually
devoted to a guy who practically invented the word "fuck" (or, at the very
least is the living reincarnation of the person who did <g>). A guy who kids
about eight- or nine-way marriages with other guys and who jokingly asks the
men in attendance at a show if and how many of them would like to fuck him. To
me, that's a lot more offensive than some post on the ng that you can easily
choose not to read. If you're offended by such things, the show/band should
be much more offensive...it would be hard to selectively cover your ears and
hum to keep the sound out. >>

Again, I'd like to say....

FUCKIN A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*sigh*

Paula~who floats up into the air and drifts back down like a feather everytime
she reads a post from Jett, who is one of few people who can make gravity
disappear with her words! I thank you from the bottom of my now weightless
heart :)

Have a great weekend!

[Rick Creech]

Gerry McConkey wrote:
>
> >uh..can we please get off (no pun intended) the sex subject here? i
> >know, if you don't like the post then don't read it, but i find myself
> >curious and somewhat displeased about this kinda stuff. just the subject
> >makes me uncomfortable, that's all.
> >

> >..rick.
>
> Are you Irish?

irish? no. american.

.rick.

[Rick Creech]

> Like I sed in my post, and I meant it, I'm sorry if I offended anyone with my
> comments. But I just have to know, so I can understand, how the hell does this
> subject make you uncomfortable and why? Because it's distasteful? I'll tell
> you what's distasteful! The posts that say Pearl Jam is burned out, the posts
> that say Ed is an asshole, the posts that say Beth is a ugly pig, the posts
> that call Mike a fat-ass, the posts that say their new tour is going to blow
> cuz they're using TM or they aren't coming to someone's city. THAT'S
> DISTASTEFUL! Ok, I'm not getting angry at you, Rick, I'm just a person that
> doesn't have a problem talking about what makes you feel uncomfortable...that's
> all. And that alone is a topic for a different discussion...the reasons why
> you shouldn't talk about things like that. I personally think it should be
> talked about, and not hushed about! Just my opinion.

i'm not sure really. i mean, i agree with and can relate to some of the
things you talked about. but to me, it's kinda too personal to talk
about.

.rick.

[Gerry McConkey]

Love the way you people took off on this!!! There has been some great
reasoning behind all the brouhaha and I just want to thank you for expressing
things so succinctly. (God, that's a horny word, isn't it?) Oh, anyway I also
wanted to say how glad my intentions were read properly, a.k.a. the lighter
side of loving. Seems to me that the yunguns these days have lost some of fun
side of sexplay. Not all, of course, but those who feel awkward or
uncomfortable probably have not come to the point of relaxing about their
sexuality. To me, I don't know how it is in the States, good sex education
means taking into account that we are all sexual beings right from birth, not
just puberty! It must encourage adolescents to know that human sexuality is
something they need to learn about and prepare well for if they are ever going
to have a fully functional sexual relationship with someone. You don't have to
feel guilty about any of this, or ashamed! It's so liberating to live as a
fully sexual thing. (I said fully not furry...)

To paraphrase Ishmael, "What are the things that are stopping you from
realizing that reality?"

Well, there are many things in western society that have given us the idea
that sex is not to be discussed or is dirty. The Victorian era, religion,
misinformed parents - but, hey that's another story. Your surgeon-general was
ousted because she advocated masturbation, correct? How weird. But Madonna can
advocate it and still do her job.

The personal part of which you speak is your own story. No, no one wants to
divulge the details of an intimate encounter, well maybe they do but things
can get a little gooey, so then it becomes pornographic. And that is not a
nice way to depict a loving and exciting physical relationship. Still, happy
couples doing what comes naturally have nothing to be ashamed of! Fantasize,
love yourself, tune up that libido and hold on tight, we're in for a bumpy
ride.

(Ed blushing??? Oh, surely you jest! He's a sex object and he knows it full
well - maybe it was just his blood pressure, huh? Ed, you can be a feminist
and a sex object too, it's okay...I promise they aren't conflicts of interest.
Just like you can cook AND change a flat tire - like I can.)

I gotta go.
Love you guys lots,
Ger

[Billy Paultz]

I just thought I'd chime in and let everyone know that I just got done
having sex with my girlfriend... That was the point of this whole thread
right? To brag about sexual conquests? I mean, I'm a guy here and as the
great Norm Peterson once said, "What's the point of gettin any if you
can't tell you friends about it later?"

..wait a second... I think I missed the point here... oh great! NEVER
MIND! Carry on.

The Whopper, who earned his nickname earlier tonight (wink, wink, nudge,
nudge)

[Laurie Hester]

Well, I'm sure the young-uns are uncomfortable about sex these days because,
frankly, it's a whole different thing. Today, with 1 of 3 people having herpes
(read this in the paper, can't believe it) and AIDS growing fastest among teens,
you can say that sex kills!

Yes, Ed seems to be more aware that he is a sex object, and seems to be feeling
more comfortable about it. You know he chooses those shirts that show off his
arms (IMO his best feature!) on purpose, and gone are the baggy pants.

Laurie

[EvenFLOW24]

Just the sight of his arms was enough to start me lifting weights - or at least
take up surfing.... ;-D

[Rick Creech]

but those who feel awkward or
> uncomfortable probably have not come to the point of relaxing about their
> sexuality.

relaxing about my sexuality? i'm not sure i know exactly what that
means. just because it makes me a *little* uncomfortalbe doesn't mean
something is wrong with me. if that's what that phrase means.

.rick.

[Leaudemiel]

i am impressed too where this entire thing has gone.
thank you for posting.
you have said what ive always believed.
there is nothing more beautiful than music, other then pure sex and love.
all together?
ecstacy.

[Laurie Hester]

Yes.

Peratt wrote:

> Laurie Hester wrote:
> >
> > Well, I'm sure the young-uns are uncomfortable about sex these days because,
> > frankly, it's a whole different thing. Today, with 1 of 3 people having herpes
> > (read this in the paper, can't believe it) and AIDS growing fastest among teens,
> > you can say that sex kills!
>

> 1-3 ppl! Which country would that be? The states? :P
>
> Just curious

[Peratt]

[Gerry McConkey]

>> > you can say that sex kills!

The title of a Joni Mitchell composition on her album from a couple of years
back.

I haven't seen the rest of your post, Laurie, but I hope my server smartens up
soon. What was snipped was the part I am responding to. Yes. The dramatic
increase in HIV is a devastating thing. Therefore, education must be one of
the ways we can bring awareness and the harshness of its realities to light.
No more sweeping it under the rug. No more believing the spread will stop at
your city's limits. No more lies and glossing over. We must continue to bring
the idea of responsibility to sexual activity. We must bring caring about and
loving yourself to the forefront for the kids. Tell them they have choices
about what happens to their bodies. (I'm not saying this to you directly,
Laurie, I'm just spieling) Most of them won't give two shits, but maybe just
the odd ones will care about the future and have hope. Free condoms won't make
them run out and instantly have sex just to use it! But that's the mentality
with some factions. Besides, there's a whole bunch of different ways to have
sex than plain old intercourse. Oh, well. I always told my kids, now 18 and
21, that "penis wants to find a hole", plain and simple. Ha! They laugh now
but that pretty much summed it up. It's just nature trying to do its thing and
will will try and try and try till it succeeds.

By the way, Rick, why are you squirming? Obviously you are still reading this
thread - out of curiosity - so why not jump in with some sort of insight from
your end? Like Paula, I want to know why all you are a "little" uncomfortable.

Unlike Whopper, who bragged about his pud and his conquests, which I sense are
wham, bammish, you are at least tentative about your comments. Whopper, what I
really want to know is, how many orgasms did your girlfriend have?
didshecomegood?

Love,
Ger

[jenes...@webtv.net]

Welllll, my first time in this NG and cant believe my eyes! Hey - I love
and adore Pearl Jam, and Ed too, but JEEZ! Could you deify and analyze
Ed any more!? This is sick, this is mob mentality. Who cares why he says
"fuck" in a song, who cares if his arms are sexy? (!) Take the songs,
lyrics, interpret them as best you can or as you want to- and leave it
alone. Overkill can spoil even genius. And you all write like "the great
god Ed" is reading your every word.

ALSO - If I've ever fantasized about having sex w/ someone famous that I
dont know (and I have), I just accept it for what it is and dont try to
rationalize or assuage my guilt by broadcasting said sentiments to the
world at large.

Also, I found most of the posts here arch and pretentious, except for
Jett and another woman whose name I didnt catch. Maybe its just me...

Roberta
(I wont quote fucking Ed)

[PMSherm]

I've been waiting for a post like this! But before I shed my opinions to this
post, I'd like to say that I'm fired up and ready to let the f word
fly...beware! And I want to say that I DO respect this person's opinion....but
now...here's mine.

Roberta sed:<<Could you deify and analyze Ed any more!? This is sick, this is

mob mentality. Who cares why he says "fuck" in a song, who cares if his arms
are sexy? (!)>>

There is NOTHING in this thread that disrespects Ed, especially after what he
sed in Hawaii, and what he did in Australia just lately....teasing the fans by
faking that he was going to drop his fucking pants to get the crowd to cheer
louder! And if we want to analyze his actions, and continue on with the
discussion of sex....WE CAN! This is a free forum! And there's nothing wrong
with fans thinking Ed's arms are sexy, cuz THEY ARE! <lols...you better stop
me b4 I begin> But let me say, there are loads of people who have sexy arms, or
sexy anything for that matter :) I know a man who is WAY sexier than Ed in
almost every way, and he's NOT famous. And why leave anything alone, analyze
things till the moon turns blue, it keeps people inspired and leads to
discussions about other things. And that's one of the healthiest things people
do, communicate!

<<Overkill can spoil even genius.>>

Yeah, and Ed's fucking proving it! Have you been reading the reviews so
far....one can only wonder when Ed's finally going do a strip-tease and then
streak across the fucking stage! I'm joking here, but Ed's the one who started
it by his own words and actions! We're just trying to deal with it! Ed's
never been this fragrant before in terms of sexuality and he's still probably
joking about it in his own comical way, and seemingly having fun with it!
That's very cool! And we have every right to discuss how we feel about
everything he's been doing and saying!

<<And you all write like "the great god Ed" is reading your every word. >>

First of all, get this straight, Ed's NOT A GOD by any stretch of the
imagination! He's human, like the rest of us! And if he reads this newsgroup,
well, he's entitled. And if he doesn't like what he reads, then he shouldn't
doing what he's doing. Why shouldn't he read our words? There are a LOT of
very inspiring people out there, who post in here, and we all make up that
overwhelming existence call LIFE! What the fuck is wrong with that! And do
you really think that we write cuz we think Ed's reading? We write to provoke
and inspire each other! Since you're new to this newsgroup, as you stated,
you'll learn that many of us in here have been talking and discussing things
for quite a long time.....and it ain't gonna stop! <I can't help but think of
an old post by Jett about bitching....which I saved cuz it's my favorite post
of all times...and I'll repost it at the end of this cuz it was a fucking
hoot!> And if you don't like the way we talk and discuss things, that's your
problem. Find an area in this huge newsgroup where you feel comfortable.

<<If I've ever fantasized about having sex w/ someone famous that I dont know
(and I have), I just accept it for what it is and dont try to rationalize or
assuage my guilt by broadcasting said sentiments to the world at large.>>

I repeat, there is NOTHING wrong with being open and discussing things with
friends, or those who feel like tapping into the discussion and contributing
their feelings and thoughts.

It's beautiful!

And you call it pretentious! It is my hope that no one feels like they have to
hide or bury their feelings about anything <especially sex> simply because some
feel it's an excessive outward display of thought! Self-editing is for the
fucking birds! If you don't like what you're reading, go to the next post, or
state your opinion, and prepare for a rebuttal, hopefully that's done without
name-calling and in an honest and respectful way.

So welcome to the Pearl Jam newsgroup, my favorite crack in hyperspace!

And I'll quote Ed till the sun burns out, or till he stops talking, whichever
happens first!

Paula
"We've kind of established what we do. And we're not gonna defend what we do.
If someone doesn't like it, fuck off. I really don't have time to hear it. I'm
doin' somethin' pretty good with my life, and I challenge them to do the same."
<---Ed - the best fucking quote of the fucking century!
____________________________________
A brilliant post from Oct. 12th of last year by Jett, a blindingly sparkling
jewel! She was responding to someone complaining that a debate was still going
on about Ticketmaster.....

"Hey, it's what people do best. Especially here. I note Eddie's done some
pretty damn good bitching in *his* time. I have been inspired by it (well,
it's true). I find I bitch now *much* more than I ever used to, and I think
it's a good thing. Squeaky wheel gets the grease. What's that thing Eddie said
about not staying quiet like they taught us...you know the song like he did a
bit of at Pink Pop (and everywhere else)? So, it's PJ's own fault. They
should have sung us songs, inspirational propaganda like "Shut Up, Bitch, and
Stay Quiet." But, no! Eddie tells us *not* to be quiet, and now he might be
bitching because we're bitching--like he told us to?? You know, I quite
frankly don't think he has much to bitch about--but that won't stop *him.* I
have a sneaking suspicion that there is no one Alive who can out-bitch Eddie
when he puts his mind to it. <Interjection here from Paula to Jett: I still
think I can out-bitch Ed...LOLS!!!> I say that with respect. I think that
when PJ *does* go on their next tour, they should get T-shirts done that say,
"Pearl Jam...Bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch....." until they
run out of room. It would be a statement, and both PJ and us could bitch that
there wasn't enough room on the shirts to put all the individual instances of
the word "bitch" that they/we wish would have been on there. Then, together,
we could all run down the t-shirt company and boycott them for robbing us of
our freedom of speech/bitching. Instead of Ticketmaster, we could be up in
arms against Fruit of the Loom!! We could all show up at the factory door with
our torches and our witchcraft patches and our various identifying fan club
regalia (as if *anyone* could mistake a loud, bitching crowd for anyone *other*
than a group PJ fans!) and threaten to sing "Not For You" if we don't get our
way. Believe you me, Fruit of the Loom would soon be on its knees, holding its
ears, and *begging* us to stop. We would score an unqualified victory! It
would make rock history. Never before would a band and group of fans have
taken a stand, particularly such a forceful and united stand, against
underwear. "
end of quote....

BRILLIANT!!!!! Now if we as fans did that in reality with Pearl Jam against
Ticketmaster....THAT would have been a victory!

[caryn]

PMSherm wrote:

> There is NOTHING in this thread that disrespects Ed, especially after what he
> sed in Hawaii, and what he did in Australia just lately....teasing the fans by
> faking that he was going to drop his fucking pants to get the crowd to cheer
> louder!

i think the shock and horror over associating pearl jam with sex
comes from the fact that for so long they didn't even TALK
about it because they were concerned about sending the
wrong message. and because they are probably the biggest
pro-woman all-male band i know of in the mainstream.

to me, this recent sex chat...especially the maui incident,
shows me that they are lightening up, willing to have some
fun, like they've talked about in the interviews.

And if we want to analyze his actions, and continue on with the
> discussion of sex....WE CAN! This is a free forum! And there's nothing wrong
> with fans thinking Ed's arms are sexy, cuz THEY ARE!

and just because a fan acknowledges that the band is full
of attractive men doesn't mean that they're a groupie, a
slut, or unhealthily obsessed. hell, i remember watching
a live video with a [former] friend of mine (mural ampitheatre,
for those in the know) and eddie is so happy (it was the
first performance after "ten" was released, or maybe it
was the day "ten" was released - it WAS the first gig
with Dave A.) - anyway, some other friends were commenting
on how great and happy and relaxed he looked, some others
were a little more emphatic than that, and he looked at
ed, smiled, and said, "yeah, i'd do him". LOL!

> Yeah, and Ed's fucking proving it! Have you been reading the reviews so
> far....one can only wonder when Ed's finally going do a strip-tease and then
> streak across the fucking stage!

except that Mike already beat him to that! =) it'd be REALLY
hard for *anyone* in pj to top mike's feats in Rotterdam 92.
(gawd, i would LOVE to see the crew-shot polaroids from
that one... Mari, are you here reading this??)

--caryn

[gkda...@ica.net]

hey, your girlfriend and me shared similar experiences this weekend....i was
in a hospital convulsing, and getting iv's and generally not feeling all too
well and she was having sex with you.... too freaky....

Mike

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[Laurie Hester]

PMSherm wrote:

<SNIP>

> Ed's never been this fragrant before in terms of sexuality

Hmm, Freudian slip, or did you mean flagrant!

Laurie (who is just imagining Ed's smell after a concert, bet it's sexy!)

[PattenDar]

caryn said:
>to me, this recent sex chat...especially the maui incident,
>shows me that they are lightening up, willing to have some
>fun, like they've talked about in the interviews.

I have to admit I was shocked when I heard those words out of Ed's mouth in
Maui but pleasantly so (I mean the subject was always avoided before). It's
about time they had some fun. Ed's got to know we would notice this "change".
We talk about everything else....why not this.

-Darlene

>
>

[PMSherm]

lols Laurie....yeah, I meant flagrant, but fragrant was running thru my head at
the time cuz Ed reminds me of a flower that is blooming. But thanks for the
correct spelling of the right word cuz that was bugging me :)

Paula~who bets that Ed's smell after a concert is sexy, until he takes his
shoes off....LOLS!!!!

AND HOW ABOUT THOSE PIES FLYING IN SYDNEY!!!!
for pictures go to Synergy:
http://www.music.sony.com/Music/ArtistInfo/PearlJam/gallery/gal17.html

fucking adorable!
Happy Birthday Jeff!!

[Laurie Hester]

Go here for a clip:

http://mudde.base.org/

Laurie

Wondr101 wrote:

> >
> >three things to consider...........
> >1. the whopper stated that he had sex with his girlfriend tonight
> >2. the whopper stated that he earned his nickname tonight
> >3. the whopper has previously stated that he intentionally chose this
> >nickname for its lameness
> >
> >hypocritically,
> >Melissa............excuse my while i go throw up
> >
> >
>
> Manoman, stay away for a few days and look what I miss!!!!
> What I am really wond'ring is WHAT exactly DID Ed say in Maui??????? Please I'm
> begging someone to post a quote or at least an idea of what he said (and did).
> I read the reviews, but didn't catch anything but a vague statement about a 9
> way marriage or something like this.
> Ann

[Wondr101]

[PMSherm]

Excerpt from a review of the Maui weekend posted Tue, Feb 24, 1998 by Laurie,
fun...@earthlink.net....a great review by the way!

Subject: Hawaii review
<snip>
"Mudhoney was joking about the law in Hawaii allowing gay marriages, and how
since they had been together 10 years, they might as well have a four way
marriage while they were here. So Eddie mentions that, and asks if anyone
wanted to marry them. Mild, surprised response from lame audience. Then Ed
says, "Of course, you'd get to fuck me." Some yells from the audience. Then
Ed says, "Of course, that means I'd get to fuck you!" (embarassed silence from
lame crowd, and a few yells from us Eddie freaks). He also said something in
response to a banner to save something or other (couldn't read), that it would
be great if everyone could help, do something, do a petition or something."
<snip>

Ummm, 4 way, 9 way.....ummm....either way....that's the marriage comment in all
it's blazing glory!

LOLS!!!
paula

[PMSherm]

http://mudde.base.org/ <----- now this is priceless!!!!!!!

the dialog sounds much better over the speakers than it does to read about
it...lols!

thanks laurie!
paula

[Gerry McConkey]

In article <19980308220...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,

Love your nom de plume - do you translate it as "Honeydew"? Great!

Ger

[Jett Karma]

pms...@aol.com (PMSherm) wrote:

That is a damn fine quote. (And Ed's not good at sound bites?)
Paula, you amazing vixen!! You've written some of my favorite stuff
in here, too. I love your style; I love your thoughts. I love your
wit. Heck, I love our mutual admiration society!! Life has certainly
been ever so much more interesting since I met Ms. Paula, and that's a
fact.

You are the personification of the term "provoking." Yes, you are.
Thought provoking, kindling to our fire, inciting, ruffling,
affronting, rousing, an initiator, evocative, impassioning,
electrifying, encouraging, beguiling, penetrating, and very
tantalizing indeed.

--Jett, very definitely provoked :)

[PMSherm]

*kiss* thank you Jett *hug*

well, i mentioned i wanted a thrill...well ed did it in a very nice way. i can
only hope that PJ plays this song in the states, NAMELY, Camden. here's a post
from DigitalKat from the AOL folder and i wanted to share with everyone this
awesome setlist from 3/12 and the last kick-ass song, Throw Your Arms Around
Me! this song is just the BEST!

Subject: Throw Your Arms Around Me
Date: Thu, Mar 12, 1998 08:54 EST
From: DigitalKat
Message-id: <19980312135...@ladder01.news.aol.com>

Last night's set list in Sydney (3/12) is one I wish I'd been there for...

Casting my vote for Throw Your Arms Around Me at the shows in the states. :)

Set List: Sometimes, Do The Evolution, Animal, Hail Hail, Dissident, Faithfull,
Even Flow, I Got Id, Corduroy, MFC, Improv intro, Habit, Daughter/Candle in the
Wind/W.M.A., Nothingman, Given To Fly, Spin The Black Circle, (riff to AC/DC's
Sin City), Wishlist, Whipping, Rearviewmirror; 1st Encore: Go, State of Love &
Trust, Brain of J., Better Man/Save It For Later; 2nd Encore: Throw Your Arms
Around Me, Alive

Love&Peace,
Kat

Subject: Throw Your Arms... lyrics
Date: Thu, Mar 12, 1998 08:57 EST
From: DigitalKat
Message-id: <19980312135...@ladder01.news.aol.com>

It's been a long time since I put something on the juke box... ;)

THROW YOUR ARMS AROUND ME (EV version)
by Hunters and Collectors

I will come to you in the daytime
I will raise you from your sleep
I will kiss you in 4 places
As I go running down your street

I will sqeeze the life right out of you
I will make you laugh, I'll make you cry
And we may never forget it
As I make you call my name
As I shout it to the blue summer sky

And we may never meet again
So shed your skin let's get started
And you will throw your arms around me (2x)

I will come to you at nighttime
I will climb into your bed
I will kiss you in 155 places
As I go running around in your head

I will sqeeze the life right out of you
I will make you laugh and make you cry
And we may never forget it
As I make you call my name
As I shout it to the blue summer sky

And we may never meet again
So shed your skin let's get started
And you will throw your arms around me (2x)

Ohh yeah, uh huh, uh huh...
Ohh yeah, uh hum, ooh...
Ohh yeah, uh huh, uh huh...
Oh...and you will throw your arms around me...

YEAH....155 places! Nicely done Ed!
Hey Jett? 155 places....makes your mind go nuts, doesn't it? That would take
a rather LONG time to accomplish...hmmm....I'm afraid I'd lose count attempting
that...LOLS!!!

Paula - who really digs songs that talk about sheding skin...like a
snake!...but the *coiling up* part is the best!

[Gerry McConkey]

Oh, oh, oh, nooooooo......Paulaaaa...he's doing it. He's lettin' the sexies
out! AARRGGHHHhhhhhhh.....Thank you sssooooooo much for posting that.....you
are so awesome. Double everything Jett has said about you for me!

Love,
Ger

[Susan Safren]

I was lucky enough to hear it at Alpine Valley during the '92
Lollapalooza. Eddie was on the side stage with Chris Cornell -- they sang
Hunger Strike, and Chris sang Seasons. Then Eddie said something to the
effect of "It's such a beautiful day, I thought I'd sing this..." It was
a gorgeous afternoon, there was a slight breeze, and the song just blew
right through me. I searched for the damn thing for 5 years. I had no
idea what it was called, and after a while, I completely forgot how it
went. But then Spring of '97 rolled around, I got enough money to get a
computer, went on-line, and AHA! the 5H concert chronology (oh thank you,
thank you), and my song suddenly had a name. A trader then put it on a
tape as a filler. Exhale, and all was well. I found the original Hunters
and Collectors song (which was really hard since all of their albums are
out of print) -- it's a bit more poppy (for lack of a better word) -- not
accoustic like Eddie's version. I got so excited when I saw it on the
Sydney set list...maybe, just maybe, it'll make it to NYC. Although from
the times I've seen it on setlists (about 4) I think it's always been
played outdoors.

Susan

In article <350d9a0e...@news.flash.net>, jzbl...@flash.net wrote:

> **************
> I love this song, too. But ladies, ladies...it's not the first time
> he's let the sexies out! I know he's done this very tune before...I
> just don't know where...help??
>
> I remember reading about the 100 and something kisses a good while
> back and thinking...ooooh, that lucky Beth!! :)))
>
> --Jett

[Jett Karma]

[Tigarfish]

To my fellow "sex-obessed fans "...have ever considered looking at Mike
McCready a contender as a sex symbol in this Vedder obsessed world of
fandom !

P.s Stone and Jeff are pretty sexy too if you believe me

C

[Mars10]

I read Paula's posting....that was a great piece of writing. You basically
summed up everything I wouldve said.
What
makes Ed sexy to me is that fact that he never acted sexy....it was attitude
that made him seem enigmatic,primal,and downright sexy. So when I read the
posts on Ed teasing the audience on pulling his pants down (I wish I
could,would,should have seen that....makes me think what he might do when he
comes back to the States...hehehehe). I got a bit flustered. And Jett you are
right......Beth is very lucky!!!!!!!


So let Ed do his thing, and if it dont hurt nobody, it
was all done in fun

Mars10

[Shannon]

tiga...@aol.com (Tigarfish) wrote:

Not Mike, but Jeff is pretty damn sexy... :)

Shannon

[Justin]

Mars10 <mar...@aol.com> wrote:
: makes Ed sexy to me is that fact that he never acted sexy....it was attitude

: that made him seem enigmatic,primal,and downright sexy. So when I read the
: posts on Ed teasing the audience on pulling his pants down (I wish I
: could,would,should have seen that....makes me think what he might do when he
: comes back to the States...hehehehe). I got a bit flustered. And Jett you are
: right......Beth is very lucky!!!!!!!

he didn't do it in a "hey look how sexy i am, you all want me" kind of
way, some girl yelled out for him to take his pants off so he did it
jokingly, it fit the mood at the time, fantastic show.
one of the highlights is when they came back out after the first encore,
eddie grabbed an australian flag and tucked it into the back of his
shirt like a cape then went supermaning back and forward across the stage
on a swivel chair a-la mtv unplugged, 'cept this time he travelled :)
doing the tango with a male fan who got on stage was also a very nice
touch, now there's a guy in tune with his sexuality, i can't imagine
many blokes being comfortable enough with their sexuality to tango
with another bloke in front of their fans, and all the other things
he does....

"are you woman enough to be my man?"

--
Justin Brymer Email: brymer@[arcadia/yallara].cs.rmit.edu.au
Pearl Jam : mp3's, my own lyrics and guitar tabs
http://yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au/~brymer
"Yeah I smoked pot, but I never exhaled" - EV

[PMSherm]

oh good lord, my aquarian pervertedness is going to get me in trouble today, i
swear! and thanks for the compliments, i love writing about sex...can't ya
tell? LOLS!!!!

and yes Jett, Ed did sing that song b4, a couple times i think, but it was
still very cool to see him do it again! and Ed will probably never write a
song like that, so, like i sed b4, i'll be happy with whatever the dude feels
like doing!

just recently, on Jeff's birthday, DigitalKat found this Chinese Astrology
page, and told us that Jeff's a Rabbit, but in the Zodiac, he's a Pisces.
Anyway, she mentioned that Ed's a dragon. This, on top of someone mentioning
that a Push Me Pull Me is a 2-headed dragon, led me to do some research.

first off, if you're wondering about the 2-headed dragon, i posted something
about it, but here's a picutre:
http://www.umich.edu/~webteam/soad/news/kamrowski/push.html

and here's the site for Chinese Astrology if you'd like to take a look:
http://found.cs.nyu.edu/liaos/horoscope.html

i found out that i was a horse...lols! and my husband is a tiger :) nicely
compatible!

ok, so Ed's a dragon.....
mars10 sed:<<What makes Ed sexy to me is that fact that he never acted

sexy....it was attitude that made him seem enigmatic, primal, and downright
sexy.>>

well, that's why he's sexy. dragons are are just that way, and if you read the
excerpt on dragons on that site, Ed's falls into those descriptions like a
glove, well, from what we know of him from witnessing his actions and words.
and plus, whenever you play hard to get, you're sexier anyway. LOLS!!! if Ed
would have acted sexy, i bet we wouldn't be talking about him so much.

and that reminds me of a thread a long time ago in here talking about whether
Ed hampered himself in the beginning, by being so private. i find that people
who are private and in the public eye, they wind up being the ones who are
talked about the most. i believe if Ed would have spilled everything and
cleared up the mysteries, fans would have sed *okey dokey...NEXT!!!!!* but
then, there's no fun in that, is there? i use to hate when people would say,
*Eddie Vedder - fake or real*. he is definitely real, i doubt he ever faked
anything, but some people think he was so private and kicked stardom in the
nuts to get more attention. although....dragons are very melodramatic...lols!

<did anyone read the reviews about the guys coming out on stage in wigs...lols>

tigarfish sed: <<To my fellow "sex-obessed fans "...have ever considered

looking at Mike McCready a contender as a sex symbol in this Vedder
obsessed world of fandom ! P.s Stone and Jeff are pretty sexy too if you
believe me>>

YEAH!!! let's talk about this for while! Mike! Everyone laughed when he got
naked on stage, but i thought it was COOL! all i'd like to know is...did he
walk off stage with the guitar in front of him the whole time...LOLS!!! DAMN!
i'd like to see Jeff do that! i always thought that Mike, Jeff, & Stoney were
just as if not more sexier than Ed. and Jack:) OHHHH, those tattoos! and
this thought takes me back to another classic post from Jett! yes, this is the
mutual admiration society :) !!!!!!!! Someone sed, "why not have the boys be
your personal concierge?" in a debate about us Almighty Fans...lols...and
here's what Jett sed :)

"Concierge service. Now *that* would be nice. I wouldn't mind.
Unless they were lousy concierges, then I would bitch--loudly. I come over
here and say, "Did you know that Jeff gave me the wrong directions to the
Compound? Jeez!!! or I asked Mike for a bucket of ice...and he brought me a
box of Minute Rice. Jeez!!! or I can't get Eddie off my roof...he thinks
he's back in his old hotel days and keeps drinking wine and mumbling something
about leeching off the rich and then reaching in his own wallet and fondling
his money--out there in public!!. Jeez!!! And Stone, he won't answer any of
my dry cleaning questions!! Jeez!!! What kind of lousy concierges are these
people??? CHRIST!!!" Unless, of course, they did it in the nude and bent
over a lot. Then, I couldn't really bitch--I'd be too distracted staring at
everything and admiring Jack's tattoos."

Can ya tell I just LOVE this woman?!?!?!?! :) if they were my personal
concierge service and did it in the nude and bent over a lot....I'D DEFINITELY
LOOK LIKE A DEER CAUGHT IN HEADLIGHTS!!!!!!! Shit! i think everything should
be done in the nude! look at babies, they have the right idea! they love
running around in the nude, and if you try to put clothing on them after a
bath, they resist! damn straight, I WOULD TO!, but i'd never get anything
accomplished. but that's why some humanoid out there a long time ago came up
with the concept of clothing. well, maybe cuz it was cold or something, but
mostly cuz no one probably got anything done! too much fucking going on!
that's probably how our species got so populated and brings us to the millions
upon millions of people we have around us today, no clothing! and now we
always feel the need to shed it, especially in the summer! ahhh, but clothing
is such a great thang, cuz it gives your imaginations something to do when you
don't feel like thinking about work...lols!

ummm, does anyone remember the Ten cover? Stoney's butt :) i stared at that
picture for MONTHS! and Jeff's outfit was so damn cute! and i've always
thought Mike was the most adorable in the band :) Ed was just always in your
face and well, ok, he's definitely a looker. but i always tried to figure out
why. the hair was great, but mostly i just wish it was mine...lols! i'd KILL
for hair like that! and he goes and cuts it and then tries to dye it black
last year. SHEEESHHHH! Ed's also sexy cuz he has huge features, big puppy dog
eyes, beautifully structured face, and a mouth that won't quit! the rest of
his body is quite normal, in fact, my husband has a better body :) just my
opinion. Jeff has a better body! now that man is BUILT! Oh, something just
hit me, something Ed sed when he was younger, and i'll include most of the
quote cuz it was good. this quote is from the book "Pearl Jam" by Mick Wall.

Ed sed, "I'll probably not do interviews one day, because I don't want to end
up convoluting the subject. Music is the thing. It won't be because of my
attitude or anything. It's just the 15 years ago, I found a beautiful way to
express myself; I found a very powerful medium. Music is a way for people to
come together and turn it on. It's there, and that's what I do...I don't want
to be a star - it's not worth it, to have my picture taken and have my face
everywhere. I could scare a lot of people with my face!"

Well, it's funny how time changes things...lols! Thank god they're all still
doing interviews. he sed, "turn it on"...lols! Yeah, he'd turn us on and then
stick he middle finger up at us. just kidding! and that just reminds me how
huge his hands are. such huge elements to go with such a tiny
body....umm....alright....stop thinking that...i can hear ya....which makes me
wonder why everyone is so interested in SIZE :) well, i guess it's important,
but the only thang that really matters about that particular body part is that
it WORKS properly and the owner knows how to USE it...lols! the only way Ed
could scare anyone with that face is to bear his teeth! another HUGE component
of that man's face, DAMN, he's dentist must have an orgasm everytime he goes to
clean them! and Ed was so nice to show us x-ray of this teeth in the Vitalogy
book.

Ok, my vote for the sexiest Pearl Jam member, Jeff!
Jeff = 10 - why? the jumps, the smile, the body, the bass and the hats...i luv
the hats!
Ed = 9 - why? the heart, the face, the voice, and his smart-ass Capricorn sense
of humor.
Mike = 8 - why? poster-boy for adorableness and the sweetest smile on in the
music industry! GOD i just wanna hug the shit out of him! and he's the best
lead guitarist in my eyes!
Stoney = 8 - why? nice ass! and he finally learned how to coordinate his
wardrobe, and yeah he's got a great smile too :) i won't hold the rubber
duckies against him....
Jack = 8 - why? the drums, a great smile and luv those tattoos! and he's Pearl
Jam's guardian angel :)

ummm, ok...any thoughts? alright, go ahead and flame me for being
so....ummm....flagrant! LOLS!!!!!
*me thins i betta fuggin stop*
this concludes my strange behavior for today. any complaints or objections to
the above line of reasoning can be forwarded to my *loiya*....lols!
Paula - who thins the next time PJ does a surprise show, they should call
themselves the *Rubber Duckies* - you can go a long way with
rubber[s]....although the duct tape's gotta go! unless you're into
bondage...well....*OUCH*!

[Mars10]

Paula so true.....and the rating system was on target. Now that you mention
Jeff in the post<giggles>, the man is fine to look at...in fact they all are
fine looking men with immense talent...that makes them seem even more appealing
in the sexy sense::::flustered again:::

Mars10

[Shannon]

pms...@aol.com (PMSherm) wrote:

>Ok, my vote for the sexiest Pearl Jam member, Jeff!
>Jeff = 10 - why? the jumps, the smile, the body, the bass and the hats...i luv
>the hats!

It's the smile Paula....definitely the smile. Oh, and the body too.
Nice chest. Broad shoulders. Tall.

I think I'd better stop now. :)

>Ed = 9 - why? the heart, the face, the voice, and his smart-ass Capricorn sense
>of humor.

I'd give him a 10, too. The heart, the voice, the face, the humor,
but most of all....the WORDS. :)

[PMSherm]

OK! Stoney in dreadlocks! And Ed looks good as a blonde!
<scroll down for some more great pictures from our friends at Synergy!>
http://www.music.sony.com/Music/ArtistInfo/PearlJam/gallery/gal17.html
fuckin A! LOLS!!! these guys are just too damn freakin FUNNY!

Ode to Pearl Jam
by some freaky-ass fan who talks about sex all the time...lols!
<shoot me, it's long>

Oh the days of flannel-ripping long-haired head-banding angst-ridden grunge
accented with duct tape, a steep climb and a deep sweaty plunge!
Surfing above the devoted who raised their arms high to the sky
to carry the Messiah with long lashes, deep voice and duct-taped fly!

"I ain't no fucking Messiah!" he'd scream to us worshipful brain-washed fans
But that's what fandom is all about! We swoon, drool, adore and pant!
That's what us fans do best! Damnit! Oh yeah, the music's cool too....
as we'd sway and mosh when the Messiah jumped into our pool.

But that wasn't good enough for the man who loved music more
So he went into hiding and left us fans and our hearts feeling sore.
And we held a vigil in anticipation for the Messiah to return from his den
with no idea that it would take 6 fucking years for him to return to us again!

Meanwhile, the band decided to fight a great big monster called Ticketmaster
and the Messiah tried so hard to convince us that stardom was a disaster.
He told us that P-R-I-V-A-C-Y was priceless to him and we should respect that
so some of us were re-programmed and the rest ignored that fact.

Then the fans, who could do nothing else but wait, turned toward the wind
to discuss and fight about the things the X-Messiah told us were a sin.
The battle of the issues would last for years amidst the rumorous hype
of a band that came into our lives and vanished faster than the speed of light.

So the dude didn't want the job of *Rockstar Sex Symbol* or *Super Group King*
but who the hell else was going to fulfill this role, who had enough guts to
sing
from his heart and soul and shake and tremble to the stories that only he could
tell.
But alas, he was convinced he was like a book amoungst many on a shelf.

Oh, no more crowd-surfing, monkey-climbing, and no more power wedgies!
What's a poor fan to do, but remember the good old days of riots and frenzies.
But the love was saved and remained in silence, until it inevitably grew from
the seed
that was planted by the Messiah who sed that our dirt is what he used to feed.

The evolution of this love was pure and proved to be as strong as music
and brought the X-Messiah out of his den to grab his guitar and his pick
He gathered up his mates to see what they had going in their heads
and low and behold they proceeded with caution to enjoy the road up ahead!

Some fans were skeptical yet most were overjoyed by the way they came back,
opening for the Rolling Stones cuz that was their lead guitarist's favorite
band!
But the anvil was still there, but soon would be gone by the antics of these
lads
and the X-Messiah's flagrant use of the word *fuck* and attempt to drop his
pants!

The scraping of jaws that dropped to the ground by the fans who played by the
rules
for all these fucking years were looking at a man who successfully mused
and found that stardom wasn't that bad as long you laugh and don't give a fuck
So if it isn't fun, it's funny....like the image of a someone playing with a
rubber duck!

So the pie fights have begun and thankfully were swung and landed upon those
who sit on their boyfriends shoulders in front of the short fans in the back
rows!
The X-Messiah still watches the pit and may very well select someone to tango
with
and comically coordinates the band's tour to satisfy his surfing fetish, that
little shit!

Now all is well in the land of Rock N' Roll and the fans are having their
gloried fill
of a band named Pearl Jam sporting Flying V's and funny wigs that fit the bill
to rock us into next week with the music that gets us off our fucking seat
to dance all night till we are weak with those Jammy fans we'd all like to
meet!

But there are still times when our X-Messiah will "shhhh" us so he can play,
cuz ya know he ain't gonna groove till everyone listens to what he has to say
And forgive me for going on and going here, it's hard to briefly recapture the
drama
of 6 fucking years of rockstar torture that caused so much groupie head-trauma!

So, like that's the end of my poem folks, in all it's goofy spoofing splendor
and crap.
It sure doesn't hold a candle to Pearl Jam, cuz ya can't get any Vedder than
that!

Paula :)~
*I didn't do it* <---Bart

PS: Hey Renče? This is what happens when you wake up from a coma sleep!
LOLS!!!

[Jett Karma]

pms...@aol.com (PMSherm) wrote:

*************
Orgasmic teeth. That's when you know you're *Sexy.* :)))) Paula,
Paula--yer killing me!! I don't know whether to ask you to stop...or
to beg you to on. Damn, you're good!! :))

Also, on the subject of Ed's fragrant sexuality, I've lost track of
who first slipped and fell upon the scent. Paula, was that you?
Whoever did commit this wonderful Freudian tripping of the tongue
*fantastic,* I must say--it's one of the best naked falls into lap of
grace I've ever come across. :) Lord, Lord. Ed likened to a flower
blooming...kinda just makes you wanna pluck the man right on the spot.
;)

Before this, I used to enjoy considering men's flagrant sexuality
(only once in a blue moon, mind you--you know *me*); but, from now on,
nothing but the best will do--holding masculinity as a bouquet (though
I understand it's actually better to hold it as an ice cream cone
<g>). It's the only thing that will really make scents.

--Jett, a bloomin' nuisance if ever there was one. But, be nice; it's
spring! A woman's fancy turns to thoughts of birds and bees and all
those glorious thingys fully, er, ablossom. (Of course, I have yet to
find a reasonable excuse for my preoccupation with such stuff during
the *other* three seasons. Oh, well!! <g>)

[las]

Jeff as in Jeff Ament? If so someone at least agrees with me!!!! Talented
and hot as hell.

Mars10 <mar...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19980313210...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

[PMSherm]

Jett asked: <<Also, on the subject of Ed's fragrant sexuality, I've lost track

of who first slipped and fell upon the scent. Paula, was that you?>>

Oh no! Ger is responsible for this luscious Freudian tripping of the tongue.
I just needed an unlocked door....LOLS!!!! Luckily Ger had the key, the well
worded initial post that started all this :) Those words just got to me!

And I think it's settled! lols....Jeff is our new sex symbol :) Yeah, let's
give Ed a break...besides....he's married. Jeff's not! I wonder if Jeff knows
what he's in for....LOLS!!!! Maybe Jeff can sing lead and Ed can play the
bass.....*brain hiccup*.....ummm...nahhhh! We'll just worship Jeff looking
thru Ed's legs....yeah...that'll work.

Now with all components of sex, the most powerful is love. I read something
very sweet in a fan's rendition of their adventure with the Pearl Jam tour.
This is why, folks, love makes the world go round and being married is one of
the most incredible things anyone can experience.

<excerpt from a post from someone named AM>
"Beth came to Sydney for her birthday. She was down on the floor all three
nights watching the show. Last night (which seems weird, it was the 12th, but
it was almost 40 hours ago) Shudder to Think dedicated a birthday song to her.
And before Habit, Ed sang the played the same song, and sang the same melody as
the song in Maui (the don't need sunscreen bit). But he was singing stuff like,
"Known you almost half my life." "I've loved you from the start." "

:)

<another excerpt from the same post>
"Ed was making Oasis/rock star in general comments everynight. On Wed he was
joking about teaching Silverchair to be real rock starts, and stay up all night
with cocaine and prostitutes. The first night in Melbourne he was joking that
they had been up all night because of all the cocaine. Oasis had played the
same place the night before, and rumor had it that they had left some coke
behind. And then in Adelaide Ed said that he loved whatever one of the
Gallaghers had head butted his fan. "

prostitutes?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! i ain't even touchin that one!

*up all night because of the cocaine* <----i seriously hope that was a bad
joke, cuz it really ain't funny.

<last excerpt from the same post>
"I think my favorite thing was on Monday night when they had the cake for Jeff.
Ed hit Jeff in the face with it, then Jeff hit Ed. Ed then hit Stone, who was
able to get his glassess off, but then said that it was, "Hard." Then Ed hit
Mike with it. Ed then went to the drum kit, and Jack kinda stood up, but Ed
couldn't quite reach, so Ed handed Jack the cake, and he hit himself with it.
(I love Jack!) Ed then went with the cake to the front of the stage. He said
that he needed someone from the audience. They started to pull someone from the
front. Ed then joked that if it took all night, he would get everyone in the
audince, and he wanted us to line up single file. He was in such a good mood
that night. (Earlier in the night he had challenged everyone to hold their
breathe during RVM. IMHO I think he was happy that Beth was there). So, they
were still struggling to get that person out of the pit. So, Ed says nevermind,
I'll just get this guy. There was a guy sitting on someelse's shoulders at
least 15 feet back from the stage, and Ed just nailed him with the cake, smack
dab in the middle of the guy's face, and he threw it so hard that the cake just
exploded, and went everywhere. It was great, I never knew he had such great
aim."

Yes, the antics are back...and I hope Beth stays with Ed thru the entire tour!

Happy Birthday Beth!!!!!!!!!!!!

And Jett! Ya hadda put the *ice cream cone* concept in my head, didn't ya?
These thoughts go flying through my warped mind like crazy little butterflies!
Egad! lols...and my preoccupation with such stuff during the *other* 3
seasons is reasonably explained by those damn crazy little
butterflies!...umm...and the fact that I'm Aquarius.

Paula - who would like to know if it was *cake* or *pie* that was being tossed
around that night in Sydney...hmmm..and what flavor was it? huh?

*something funny that a friend sent to me*
Women's English
---------------------------
Yes = No
No = Yes
Maybe = No
I'm sorry. = You'll be sorry.
We need = I want
It's your decision = The correct decision should be obvious by now.
Do what you want = You'll pay for this later.
We need to talk = I need to complain
Sure... go ahead = I don't want you to.
I'm not upset = Of course I'm upset, you moron!
You're ... so manly = You need a shave and you sweat a lot.
You're certainly attentive tonight = Is sex all you ever think about?
Be romantic, turn out the lights = I have flabby thighs.
This kitchen is so inconvenient = I want a new house.
I want new curtains = and carpeting, and furniture, and wallpaper.....
Hang the picture there = NO, I mean hang it there!
I heard a noise = I noticed you were almost asleep.
Do you love me? = I'm going to ask for something expensive. How much do you
love me? = I didsomething today you're really not going to like.
I'll be ready in a minute. = Kick off your shoes and find a good game on T.V.
Is my butt fat? = Tell me I'm beautiful.
You have to learn to communicate. = Just agree with me.
Are you listening to me!? = [Too late, you're dead.]
Was that the baby?=Why don't you get out of bed and walk him until he goes to
sleep.
I'm not yelling! = Yes I am yelling because I think this is important.

*******************
Men's English
----------------------
"I'm hungry." = I'm hungry.
"I'm sleepy." = I'm sleepy.
"I'm tired." = I'm tired.
"Do you want to go to a movie?" = I'd eventually like to have sex with you.
"Can I take you out to dinner?" = I'd eventually like to have sex with you.
"Can I call you sometime?" = I'd eventually like to have sex with you.
"May I have this dance?" = I'd eventually like to have sex with you.
"Nice dress!" = Nice cleavage!
"You look tense, let me give you a massage." = I want to fondle you.
"What's wrong?" = I don't see why you are making such a big deal out of this.
"What's wrong?" = What meaningless self-inflicted psychological trauma are you
going through now?
"What's wrong?" = I guess sex tonight is out of the question.
"I'm bored." = Do you want to have sex?
"I love you." = Let's have sex now.
"I love you, too." = Okay, I said it...we'd better have sex now!
"Yes, I like the way you cut your hair." = I liked it better before.
"Yes, I like the way you cut your hair." = $50 and it doesn't look that much
different!
"Let's talk." = I am trying to impress you by showing that I am a deep person
and maybe then you'd like to have sex with me.
"Will you marry me?" = I want to make it illegal for you to have sex with
other guys.
(while shopping) "I like that one better." = Pick any freakin' dress and let's
go home!
"I don't think that blouse and that skirt go well together." = I am gay.

[Tigarfish]

Stone and Mike are the ( sexiest) guitarists in musical history and I don't
know why no one seems to agree with me for some reason at all!

P.s Jeff has a girlfriend

Stone and Mike are single ??????

C

[Shannon]

tiga...@aol.com (Tigarfish) wrote:

Well, it's not that I don't think they are sexy...but IMO they got
nothing on Ed and Jeff.

[Tigarfish]

Skinny Guys are cute even if they put on a few pounds just like Mike McCready
(damn he's smooth)

C

[Alessiana]

i just want to say, you guys are fucking priceless. incredible

and if someone isn't sitting on their fine butt, (that only they own, but
which we'd all surely... love to spank), laughing their ass off (laughing it
off?? oh god, NO not that!)... then i don't know what in the hell is right
with this world.

you rule. all of you

oh yeah... and as a reminder to some of you who were fortunate enough to be
there and paying attention, i have only on thing to say about size....

maui wowwie

aless

[caryn]

On Sat, 14 Mar 1998 03:06:09 -0500, Alessiana <Ales...@aol.com>
wrote:

>oh yeah... and as a reminder to some of you who were fortunate enough to be
>there and paying attention, i have only on thing to say about size....
>
>maui wowwie

black jeans, aless? ;>

(you'd have to have been BLIND not to notice)

--caryn

"If No Code had sold eight million copies, we'd probably be humming on
this record and playing ukeleles." --stone, guitar world '98

[PMSherm]

aless sed: <<oh yeah... and as a reminder to some of you who were fortunate

enough to be there and paying attention, i have only on thing to say about
size....

maui wowwie>>

ok, SPILL :) you just twinkled some more butterflies!

size = maui wowwie <---- inquiring minds wanna know!

black jeans?!?!?!? blind not to notice!??!?!?!?

and i promise to take the brunt of all detailed descriptions shed
here....hence.....SPILL!!!! give us poor peons who didn't get a chance to
drain their savings to fly to maui the thrill of a lifetime :) and don't leave
out anything! i don't know about anyone else, but my jaw still hurts after
hitting the ground several times over all those Ed comments and the pants
thang, one more isn't gonna kill me....come on! who was wearing black jeans;
Ed, Jeff, Mike, Stoney or Jack? huh? huh?
:)
paula
who thinks she's going to be left wondering......
*the marriage comment ala Ed*
"we just asked them if we could be part of their 4 way marriage to get it up to
eight. any other men who wanna be out there in this legal same sex marriage
state, anyone else wanna be married to us? come on!.....come on boys ya get to
fuck me!.....or or but then again i get to fuck youuuuuuuuuuuuu"

[caryn]

On 14 Mar 1998 22:03:37 GMT, pms...@aol.com (PMSherm) wrote:

>and i promise to take the brunt of all detailed descriptions shed
>here....hence.....SPILL!!!! give us poor peons who didn't get a chance to
>drain their savings to fly to maui the thrill of a lifetime :) and don't leave
>out anything! i don't know about anyone else, but my jaw still hurts after
>hitting the ground several times over all those Ed comments and the pants
>thang, one more isn't gonna kill me....come on! who was wearing black jeans;
>Ed, Jeff, Mike, Stoney or Jack? huh? huh?

well, think of it this way - most of hte people on the stage were
either sitting down or wearing a guitar......process of elimination,
babe

;>

LMAO

--caryn, who still wants to create the "stone gossard's butt RULES"
page as a birthday present for her friend shroom, who always says:
"stoney's butt *made* the cover of _ten_"

[caryn]

and on a similar note, can i just call your attention to this photo on
5h?

http://www.fivehorizons.com/tour/vg/199091/082391-2.jpg

this public service announcement brought to you by

--caryn

=======================================================================
02/28/92 - Union of London University: London, England (ULU)
One line from 'Outshined' is inserted after 'Why Go,' with Ed saying he
knows people will be at the Soundgarden show: "... someone has to be the
organizer here. Somebody has to count '1,2,3 and hello from Pearl Jam.'
Chris Cornell will blush -- down to his bellybutton."

[las]

I agree! Nothing can compare to these two. What eyes.

[PMSherm]

caryn sed:<<well, think of it this way - most of hte people on the stage were

either sitting down or wearing a guitar......process of elimination, babe>>

ya know that saying that means *i love you*
....eep op orp auh auh......

umm...i have no idea why i just asked that....auhhhh

i must be experiencing the growth of a brain tumor from this new enlightenment,
but i DID say i could handle one more jaw slamming event......

i feel a seizure coming on.....Jett? are ya ready?

okey dokey! well, this must mean that either ed got seriously excited by his
fuck speech...or....auh.....his jeans were too tight....ummm...or...or BUT THEN
AGAIN maybe he's just BIG!

subject = size
response = mauiwowwie
verdict = BIG

ya see? i'm used to seeing ed in lose pants, and i'm used to NOT seeing a damn
thang! HAIL HAIL the lucky ones in the front row!

now if only someone would write a song about this, i'd be very happy....LOLS!!!
we could call it...<thinking about that picture of the guys on the rocks with
that burst of light glowing thru ed's legs>, let's see...how about *Crotch
Spectacle* nah....*Ed's Guiding Light*...no....*Nice Pants*....no...*Express
Yourself* ...damn that's been done already *Zipper Prism* ....no....*Sunset
Thru Ed's Legs* ....YEAH that's it!

ok, seizure in process....new title......

Rockstar <folk song theme>

there once was a guy from san diego
who pumped gas and surfed a lot too
and one day he went north to seattle
who in the world could have knew

that this dude would be a rockstar
yeah yeah he's a rockstar
but could someone please fill him in

cuz this dude didn't like the bullshit
he just wanted to write music and sing
but the camera made him nervous
then he locked the front door and hid

yeah that dude's a rockstar
yeah yeah he's a rockstar
but the bullshit just made him sick

so he pondered his rockstar problem
and found out that shit don't go away
so he wrote songs about the mayhem
and found out that shit STILL don't go away

this dude didn't wanna talk about it
about being a talented sexy celebrity
but he couldn't stop his lips from shakin
as well as the rest of his body

so the cap worn backwards didn't work
neither did the helmit or masks
and he was still sexy with shorter hair
so he gave up and got fucking smashed

yeah too late he's a rockstar
yeah yeah he's a rockstar
so whatdya think he did?

he cut off the rest of his long curly hair
and really badly dyed his hair black
then someone took a picture of
the spot on the top of his head where he needed a root job when he turned his
back.....

yeah this dude's a rockstar
yeah yeah a really pissed off rockstar!
oh this dude's just having a fit!

what's a poor sexy rockstar to do
but give up and give in
so he started painting his nails
and hung out with Dennis Rodman

who taught him to lighten the fuck up
and showed him how to dress like a girl
he started joking about same sex marriages
and faked dropping his drawers

yeah now he's really a rockstar
yeah yeah a very happy rockstar

so like the flannel and baggy pants are gone
replaced by leather and tight black jeans
and if you're wondering about size
just watch his crotch for the spotlight seam

yeah yeah Ed's a rockstar
not Mick Jagger, just a talented sexy rockstar!
with a warped sense of humor to go with it!

ok, so it's long....just think of Alice's Restaurant and maybe we can play this
at every Thanksgiving!.....LOLS!!!!

i think we should rename this thread *The Crotch Files*!

i think ed may be going thru a Madonna phase....hmmm...now all he needs to do
is grab his crotch on stage and then put out a book about sex and there'll be a
lot of happy campers out there....maybe if he puts on one of those pointed bra
thingys when he sings Evolution...and wears darker nail polish....with that
blonde wig....some mascara <cuz he doesn't need fake lashes>...little
blush....lipstick.....DAMN, WE'VE GOT MADONNA!

and b4 anyone jumps all over me for this...ED's THE ONE WHO SED HE'd MAKE A
GREAT TRANSVESTITE FIRST. i'm just agreeing with him....lols!

i can hear it now....
"like a transvestite wrestler, pinned for the very first time"

sorry...but if he starts covering Madonna's song "Hanky Panky", i think we may
have a problem on our hands!

just wanted to clear that up.....although if he ever dresses up in a tight
short skirt....he's gonna have to do something about the mauiwowwie issue...

Paula ~ who also agrees that "stone gossard's butt RULES"!

can we change the subject now? yikes! i liked it better when we were just
talking about sex....but now we're talking about ed's penis....this is
definitely something that TOO WEIRD to discuss...LOLS!!!!!!! but stoney's butt
is ok to talk about :)~

[Laurie Hester]

Hmm,

Where are all the guys complaining about this sexist conversation? If guys were
talking about the size of Beth's breasts, wouldn't you all be complaining? I think
it's time to take this to e-mail, as I believe it's crossed the line, wherever that
may be! ;)

Laurie

PMSherm wrote:

> aless sed: <<oh yeah... and as a reminder to some of you who were fortunate
> enough to be there and paying attention, i have only on thing to say about
> size....
>
> maui wowwie>>
>
> ok, SPILL :) you just twinkled some more butterflies!
>
> size = maui wowwie <---- inquiring minds wanna know!
>
> black jeans?!?!?!? blind not to notice!??!?!?!?
>

> and i promise to take the brunt of all detailed descriptions shed
> here....hence.....SPILL!!!! give us poor peons who didn't get a chance to
> drain their savings to fly to maui the thrill of a lifetime :) and don't leave
> out anything! i don't know about anyone else, but my jaw still hurts after
> hitting the ground several times over all those Ed comments and the pants
> thang, one more isn't gonna kill me....come on! who was wearing black jeans;
> Ed, Jeff, Mike, Stoney or Jack? huh? huh?

[bryanand...@msn.com]

I think they all are cute in their own way. I know a lot of you seem to be
fan's of Ed's looks, but seriously??? Ed has great hair, and charisma. For
me, I think he is too short. (I am 5'6"). Jeff does have a really nice
smile. I totally dig Stone. I never thought he was majorly attractive until
I saw him (live). (This sounds really silly, but he has really nice hands.
Check them out).
Jessi

In article <350a27bb...@news.mindspring.com>,

sr...@mindspring.com wrote:
>
> tiga...@aol.com (Tigarfish) wrote:
>
> >Stone and Mike are the ( sexiest) guitarists in musical history and I don't
> >know why no one seems to agree with me for some reason at all!
> >
> >
> >P.s Jeff has a girlfriend
> >
> >Stone and Mike are single ??????
> >
> >
> >C
>

> Well, it's not that I don't think they are sexy...but IMO they got
> nothing on Ed and Jeff.
>
>

-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading

[VB7360]

*High-five* on this one! <Especially the "Stone" part. > ;) When I saw him
slingin' his hair in the "Evenflow" video, I thought...hmmmmm. LOL

[Mars10]

Paula you go girl

[PMSherm]

lols Laurie :) Well, the conjectures HAVE continued in email!!! But I do have
to say a few thangs:

1. I'm very surprised that more people aren't jumping on the *What the fuck!*
band-wagon...LOLS!!! It's always been my view that if girls start making
comments about their feelings on the exterior appearance of the boys of PJ, and
to quote a friend of mine, "Oh, if one of us girls wrote that shit, we would be
slammed from the folders to the Mir Station and back", but I noticed that some
guys are making the same comments <regarding Ed in another thread> and no one
is blasting them....which is cool. It's all done in fun and respect, and I'm
glad there's no battles being fought over this thread :)

2. It's one thang to make comments, in the act of simply admiring the beauty
of a person...there's nothing wrong with that. It's another thang to obsess on
that person instead of their beauty. I don't think anyone in here is wanting
Beth to go away or resents her for being married to Ed. I personally dig Beth,
she's got her hands full....LOLS!!!! And I think it's been sed in here that
she's a lucky woman...any woman who is married to or is going with a faithful
loving man is way lucky! :)

3. I'm really diggin the fact that fans notice Jeff, Stoney, Mike...not just
Ed :)

4. As for crossing over the line...lols...IF we were speculating on HOW Ed
fucks, then we'd be wrong...LOLS!!! I haven't seen that here....thank
god...and I've also NOT seen anyone in here making comments that they wanna
fuck Ed, even though Ed was joking about it and we were talking about it. We
may think about *doing* Ed or Jeff or Stoney or Mike, but that's a compliment
for them. I'm sure there might be a guy or a gal walking down the street that
may catch your eye and you'll think the same thang, and maybe even mention it
to a friend. The degrading part comes into play if you act on those thoughts
and approach the person with an unwelcome move, like what our President is
being *accused* of.

5. And talking about size...well....that's an admiration thang! I think this
thread shows that we can discuss these thangs and still have a good time
without being pornographic.

Ummm, I don't get offended when men admire a beautiful woman, I really don't
think it's degrading. I also don't think the opposite is degrading either.
Like the Coke/Pepsi commercial when all the women come into this office, just
to watch the guy who washes the windows...lols! I'd be one of those woman
standing there drooling! Notice, I don't remember whether it was Coke or Pepsi
that was advertising....all I remember is the guy...lols! But if I think real
hard, I think it was a Pepsi commercial.

Has anyone in here every been in an art class, and had to sketch a nude person?
huh? :) Well, I have! I man and a woman! It's very amazing how your brain
HAS to *turn off* the physical thoughts regarding their form, and just
concentrate on the shadows, curves and shape. Very Hard To Do! But well worth
it, cuz the human body is a beautiful thang, especially if you capture it on
paper or in a photo! Both men and woman, even when those bodies may not be in
perfect shape, cuz really, no one's perfect. Everyone is unique and that's
what makes admiring a wonderful thang. And I'm an artist, so I notice these
thangs MORE :)

Paula ~ whose waiting for the sun to warm the ground today.

Have a nice day!

[rchad...@marin.usweb.com]

In article <3509df38...@news.flash.net>,

jzbl...@flash.net wrote:
>
> pms...@aol.com (PMSherm) wrote:
>
> >oh good lord, my aquarian pervertedness is going to get me in trouble
today, i
> >swear! and thanks for the compliments, i love writing about sex...can't ya
> >tell? LOLS!!!!
> >
> >

> >and here's the site for Chinese Astrology if you'd like to take a look:
> >http://found.cs.nyu.edu/liaos/horoscope.html
> >
> >i found out that i was a horse...lols! and my husband is a tiger :)
nicely
> >compatible!
> >
>

What sign is your husband? On ASTRONET they have these erotic profiles for
men. Since your into horoscopes and sex they might right up your alley.

http://dynamic.astronet.com/horoscopes/erotiscopes.shtml

Have fun!

[Laurie Hester]

I'm sure this thread has alot of *voyeurs*! Paula, I agree that the human body in
all its shapes and sizes is beautiful. I guess I just hate to see the man who
wrote, "model, role model, roll some models in blood. Get some flesh to stick, so
they look like us," having the size of one of his body parts discussed in public!
I doubt he'd feel flattered. But your point is well taken, and I know you all are
just admiring him. Now, let's discuss the size of his...brain! ;)

Laurie

[Mars10]

Paula you never cease to amaze me

[PMSherm]

Laurie sed: <<Get some flesh to stick, so they look like us," having the size

of one of his body parts discussed in public! I doubt he'd feel flattered. But
your point is well taken, and I know you all are
just admiring him. Now, let's discuss the size of his...brain! ;)>>

ok, i've been pondering this since the 17th. i'd love to discuss ed's brain,
but, well....ok...let's discuss the man who talked about rolling models in
blood....and talk about him not being flattered about talking about such
nonsense that's contained in this thread.....let's discuss THIS comment!

Ed sed in the CMJ interview:<<Actually, it wasn't "No fat chicks," what we used
to say was "Harpoon fat chicks," so that was even worse.>>

OK! at least he knows that comment was WORSE! you're saying that this man
wouldn't be too keen on us talking about his penis....but it's ok for him to
make a comment like that! i guess ed wants to role models in blood, fatten
them up and then harpoon them. i know he was probably joking around with that
comment, but i was joking too with everything i sed in this thread....so i
guess we're even.

yeah, ed may be a genius when it comes to music, but that subject has been
discussed to DEATH!

we started talking about how degrading some comments can be, but that above
comment was MOST degrading! this edges into discrimination on
appearance....which i'm sure no one wants to discuss! i could talk all day on
this issue, being a person who lost a huge amount of weight for 2 reasons; 1 -
to be more healthy, and the most important reason 2 - cuz being fat isn't
acceptable in this conditional society!

paula
who is done admiring ed.

[Joe McGean]

To PMSherm,
what is your major malfunction? Clearly Vedder says "I was always actually
mature enough to be offended by that motto at a young age.", the comment
about 'Harpoon fat chicks' is just what was
said when he was young in his area among his peers, insted of 'No fat
chicks'. It is a statement of fact, not bad or good, just a statement of
fact. You really need to focus on your remedial readings skills and/or
you are aware that this was just a statement of fact and you wanted to
twist the truth for your own means:
one or the other. Whaterver, the case I suggest you practice reading with
_Ishmael_

-Bye

joe_me

JG: Is that your motto? That and "No fat chicks." Is that your bumper
sticker motto?

EV: Believe it or not, I was always actually mature enough to be offended
by that motto at a young age. Actually, it wasn't "No fat chicks," what we
used to
say was "Harpoon fat chicks," so that was even worse. No, my main concern
is that college radio has the freedom to play what they want. Janeane's
disciplining her dog now, so that's why I'm talking.

http://www.cmjmusic.com/NewMM/QandA/veddergarofalo.html

PMSherm <pms...@aol.com> wrote in article
<199803211725...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

[PMSherm]

A STATEMENT OF FACT!!!!! That's what I'm getting at, and I'm sure that
EVERYONE READ THE WHOLE INTERVIEW! But since you felt the need to protect Ed
from my maniacal advances <god forbid anyone say anything bad about our dear
ed>, I would like to say that I feel he could have brushed off the "No Fat
Chicks" question and just answered the college radio thing. OR elaborate on
the "I was always actually mature enough to be offended by that motto at a
young age" after saying "Actually, it wasn't "No fat chicks," what *WE* used to
say was "Harpoon fat chicks," so that was even worse." Was he mature enough
NOT to say something so horrible, or did he give in like most people and join
in on bashing people who didn't look like a centerfold? HUH? Who's he
referring to when he says, "WE"? I'm just curious cuz it's a little vague.

He decided to tell us what *we used to say*, which was way worse than what
Janeane orginally sed. Hey, it's my gripe! No need to ridicule my reading
skills dude! I mean, the man brushes off most questions, but that one he
decided to *slightly* illustrate how immature young people used to be, or still
may be!

Twisting the fucking truth! That's beautiful! The truth is exactly what I
sed, "being fat isn't acceptable in this conditional society"! And I DID SAY
that he was probably joking, AND I DID SAY at least he knows that comment was
WORSE! But hey, don't give me credit for giving the man the benefit of doubt!
You immediately see me as attacking Ed, and all I'm doing is talking about his
vagueness! And his vagueness has profound effects on younger fans, which I'll
get to in a moment. Since I was trying to talk about his brain, I was going to
bring up the Internet marriage comment he made too, to illustrate what goes
thru that man's head, but I didn't want to start a fight.

What would have been nice is if he would have just sed his 1st comment about
being mature and left it at that. But no, he added the 2nd comment and moved
on, leaving me to picture Ed as a young kid being as cruel as every other kid
out there. <----that's my major malfuntion! Ed has always been a man who
defends woman's right and fights against pornography cuz he feels it degrades
women. In my eyes, he could have went further with the *harpoon* comment to
talk about how aweful it is, and why younger people should think b4 they talk
or make a judgement on someone. Ed heavily influences his younger fans, and my
nephew's friends read this article on the Internet and thought it was cool that
Ed sed *harpoon fat chicks*, and now that's the cool thing to say, CUZ SOME
KIDS HAVE A PROBLEM WITH REMEDIAL READING! <-----THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF MY
MAJOR MALFUNCTIONS! Actually, I could go on about some of the things he sed
during MW that he should have elaborated on because of the fact that he heavily
influences his younger fans! Things that he should think about b4 he sez them.

And I'm glad that some younger fans are too young to go to a Pearl Jam
concert....like the one in Maui!

So instead of defending Ed, who doesn't need defending for christ-sakes <like
who the hell cares what I think about Ed>, why don't we discuss how cruel
society really is....huh? Fuck! We see cruelty in this newsgroup all the time!
Shit, we talk about the abortion issue to death, and art and commerce in
reference to the concept of *selling out*......why don't we forget that Ed was
the one who brought up the *harpoon fat chicks* and figure out why kids are so
cruel at such an early age!

Oh, I'm sorry, this is a Pearl Jam newsgroup.....wrong topic! But I'm going
with it anyway!

I see this shit whenever I pick up my neice and nephew from the school
yard....kids making fun of other kids cuz they're not *beautiful*. I caught my
neice, who is thin and cute, making fun of a fat girl who wasn't that cute. I
told her that was aweful and I was dissappointed in her, then I proceeded to
tell her why and tried to make her understand. But now she's surrounded by
kids who are Pearl Jam fans who think that *harpoon* comment was just so damn
cool - just because Ed sed it!

I see it at the bar with people MY OWN AGE! My girlfriend walks past a group
of guys who are all over this cute thin chick, and they guys make a rude remark
about her *fat ass*. I was walking beside her and heard it and stopped. I
stare them all down until they apologize to my friend! Then the cute chick
gets up and walks away.....and joins us...LOLS!!!!

I just hated the fact that Ed had to say that! And I hate that fact that kids
who I turned on to Pearl Jam are using that comment now! That's all! So shoot
me! All I've been doing for the past week is trying to explain to these kids
that Eddie was joking!

God, and I don't need to read Ishmael....maybe some people should pick up that
book and read it to a child...just for the sake of teaching them how to read
and to stimulate their brain! Any why did you say Ishmael...cuz Pearl Jam
recommended it? GOD!!!!!! There are so many other good books out there too!
Yeah, it's a great book, but let's not elevate it to the best seller list JUST
because the members of Pearl Jam read it!

And yeah, I can hear people saying, "Oh don't pick on Ed just cuz parents don't
know how to control their kids." Yeah, well, I could go on and on about that
too...it's not Ed's fault, I just wish he knew how young part of his fan base
really is. But then the issue comes up - is Ed a musician/songwriter or a role
model...or both?

And I hear some saying, "Kids will be kids, no matter what. This shit has been
going on since the dawn of man." Yeah, it's probably a dog eat dog thing, but
I still have a problem having to explain Ed's words to those who misinterpret
them, cuz the *fat chicks* comment isn't the only one. But I do have to say
that Ed's comment about religion was good....but again, my girlfriend told me
when speaking to her son about what they were going to do after church on
Sunday, he sed to her, "But isn't it like an old popular movie that doesn't
mean anything anymore." As much as I agreed with Ed, he destroyed one 12 year
old's view on religion, in one interview. Now this kid doesn't want to go to
church anymore....isn't that something. I'm going to church with him and his
mom tomorrow morning, and I haven't been in church in a fucking decade! It
feels like Pearl Jam/Ed Vedder fall-out!

I'm not saying I'm right, these are just my feelings. That's all!

Paula
who knows that no one is going to understand or care or give a fucking shit why
i'm so fucking angry!

[Laurie Hester]

PMSherm wrote:

> Laurie sed: <<Get some flesh to stick, so they look like us," having the size
> of one of his body parts discussed in public! I doubt he'd feel flattered. But
> your point is well taken, and I know you all are
> just admiring him. Now, let's discuss the size of his...brain! ;)>>
>
> ok, i've been pondering this since the 17th. i'd love to discuss ed's brain,
> but, well....ok...let's discuss the man who talked about rolling models in
> blood....and talk about him not being flattered about talking about such
> nonsense that's contained in this thread.....let's discuss THIS comment!

The quote about models is clear to me to be a statement about how these anorexic
models came to be the role model for our society. There are studies done about
teenage girls who think Cindy Crawford is too fat! Now that is sick, when the
anorexic look becomes the ideal. Ed was simply saying let's have some role models
that look like us, like real humans. There is nothing offensive about that, and
was the quote that made me think he is not only a genius poet, but cares about
issues that normally affect women.

>
>
> Ed sed in the CMJ interview:<<Actually, it wasn't "No fat chicks," what we used

> to say was "Harpoon fat chicks," so that was even worse.>>
>

This is a little out of context here. He was saying before that, that he was
offended by the "No fat chicks" comment when he was very young, and went on to
quote what was said by his peers, an even worse statement.

> OK! at least he knows that comment was WORSE! you're saying that this man
> wouldn't be too keen on us talking about his penis....but it's ok for him to
> make a comment like that! i guess ed wants to role models in blood, fatten
> them up and then harpoon them. i know he was probably joking around with that
> comment, but i was joking too with everything i sed in this thread....so i
> guess we're even.
>
> yeah, ed may be a genius when it comes to music, but that subject has been
> discussed to DEATH!
>
> we started talking about how degrading some comments can be, but that above
> comment was MOST degrading! this edges into discrimination on
> appearance....which i'm sure no one wants to discuss! i could talk all day on
> this issue, being a person who lost a huge amount of weight for 2 reasons; 1 -
> to be more healthy, and the most important reason 2 - cuz being fat isn't
> acceptable in this conditional society!
>
> paula
> who is done admiring ed.

You are right that fat people are discriminated against, but I don't see how you
can be offended by the model quote and the fat chick quote by Eddie; taken in
context, they show he is offended by this discrimination, too.

Laurie

[Maria Rivera-Davis]

Ed was not condoning the "no fat chicks"
comment; he was very much against it.
When it comes to women, Ed has always been a feminist; therefore, I
don't understand how you could misinterpret this comment.

[James P. Henninger,O.D.]

Ed's not perfect...and that ok with me!

The Monkie who is gonna get in trouble cuz this is The Monkie's father's
addy!

[Nae30]

Paula writes:

>A STATEMENT OF FACT!!!!! That's what I'm getting at, and I'm sure that
>EVERYONE READ THE WHOLE INTERVIEW! But since you felt the need to >protect Ed
from my maniacal advances <god forbid anyone say anything bad >about our dear
ed>, I would like to say that I feel he could have brushed off the "No >Fat
Chicks" question and just answered the college radio thing. OR elaborate on
>the "I was always actually mature enough to be offended by that motto at a
young >age" after saying "Actually, it wasn't "No fat chicks," what *WE* used
to say was >"Harpoon fat chicks," so that was even worse." Was he mature
enough NOT to >say something so horrible, or did he give in like most people
and join in on bashing >people who didn't look like a centerfold? HUH? Who's
he referring to when he >says, "WE"? I'm just curious cuz it's a little vague.

Paula, I think "we" was in reference to people our ages [in our generation] at
that time. Clearly, Ed's first statement was that he was offended by that
statement. Did he join in on the bashing??? Who knows...but if standing idly
by and not commenting means that it made Ed no better than...I mean, we don't
know that either! It was Janeane that asked if that was part of his new
"moto", and Ed clarified her. If a person reads more into that, with the
understanding that Ed *was* offended by that...I don't know what else that they
could expect him to elaborate on. Ed has been vague a million a one times
[like you've pointed out] on many issues. It was Janeane that was getting off
of topic. So why should Ed or anybody else have to cover their tracks soundly
while being interviewed? Is it because there might be young, impressionable
readers? He doesn't write his lyrics based on his fans' concerns, so why
should he render his bullshitting in a bar over beer & a dog? It's an unfair
burden to place anyone, not just Ed...to put someone in position to be the
moral consciousness of society. I mean, the guy's a rock star; not Socrates!
Ed was just saying what was said at that time. Although not as nice I'm sure;
it was like saying "Have A Nice Day" in the 70's or "Make Love Not War" in the
60's...and God only knows what the fuck they said about "fat chicks"! Like I
said, we had a saying to the harpoon comment..."What...with *that* dick?" And
I am sure that you and some other ladies in this ng can recall other replies.
I don't see you as attacking Ed, but I see you as going off on what offends you
and the fact that it was repeated from Ed's mouth. But in truth he was
repeating an oral history if you will, of really bad fat jokes/comments.

> Since I was trying to talk about his brain, I was going to bring up the
Internet >marriage comment he made too, to illustrate what goes thru that man's
head, but I >didn't want to start a fight.

That would be interesting...but I don't think that it would start a "fight",
cause he is a little bit blown away by the computer/internet, lol! Do you
think that he's reading now? I'd be amazed if could FIND this damn newsgroup
at all, lol!

> Ed has always been a man who defends woman's right and fights against
>pornography cuz he feels it degrades women.

What rights? Choice...abortion rights, against rape...Home Alive. That's all,
and although that's nice, that doesn't qualify Ed for a badge. Those are two
little issues of many. Maybe he keeps the other issues private, like the
pornography issue. But you & I have talked about that before...and I've got
some problems with that, but *that* is MY problem. And I won't expect Ed to
jump the fence to get on my side anytime soon, lol!

[in the interview about the "statement"]

>talk about how aweful it is, and why younger people should think b4 they talk
>or make a judgement on someone.

That's what I would *expect* Paula to do because I've had the good fortune to
know & meet you. That IS what you'd do...but Ed isn't you so it's not
something that I'd expect Ed to do. I'll admit it...people that I don't know
personally, on some level or the other, I could give a shit less about. It's
fun for me to read every freaking PJ interview...but it will never make me a
more *faithful* follower of the flock. It's all a bunch of words to me.
Interesting, but that's all.

>And I'm glad that some younger fans are too young to go to a Pearl Jam
>concert....like the one in Maui!

This comment *really* bummed me out, buddy. What does *that* mean, HUH? No
Paula, you are not homophobic...far from it, but here I am and I just stepped
in right here to prevent others from *taking it* the wrong way, cuz you didn't
elaborate and tell the eyes that were on your post where you stand. With that
comment, people are now analyzing your words as you have done with Ed's. And I
can just imagine the interpretations! Touchč...

>Why... [don't we] figure out why kids are so cruel at such an early age!
Simple. Their parents allow them to be. They teach them even.

> Any why did you say Ishmael...cuz Pearl Jam recommended it? GOD!!!!!! There
>are so many other good books out there too! Yeah, it's a great book, but
let's not >elevate it to the best seller list JUST because the members of Pearl
Jam read it!

I agree. The book was a s l o w lesson in the fucking obvious, but hey...WE
WANT THAT BOWLING BALL! Cosmic bowling is *hot*, don'tcha' know!?!

>...it's not Ed's fault, I just wish he knew how young [a] part of his fan base

really is. >But then the issue comes up - is Ed a musician/songwriter or a role
model...or >both?

There should be no fucking question in ANYONE'S mind...he is a muscian. That's
how he pays his bills. No issue at all.

> But I do have to say that Ed's comment about religion was good....but again,
my >girlfriend told me when speaking to her son about what they were going to
do after >church on Sunday, he sed to her, "But isn't it like an old popular
movie that doesn't
>mean anything anymore." As much as I agreed with Ed, he destroyed one 12
>year old's view on religion, in one interview. Now this kid doesn't want to
go to

>church anymore....isn't that something? [so you'll go to church with him]
Now Paula, don't hold Ed for the fucking fall of the world! He will learn and
follow his religion because of his mother's faith. It is HER JOB to instill
it! And then he will grow up to be a disgruntled Catholic like you and I years
from now, lol! You will do this just tommorow, then? And what will that say
to him, exactly? His mom going with him every week however, will be a more
honest display of concern, wouldn't you agree?

I care about why you are angry Paula, but I just don't understand. Why do you
expect these things from Ed, WHY? Girl, we are lucky to get him to play Pgh
and Philly for chris'sakes! Your expectations and standards aren't fair at
all. And yeah, I love ya'...but I think that you're wigging.

Renče

[Shannon]

na...@aol.com (Nae30) wrote:

>> Any why did you say Ishmael...cuz Pearl Jam recommended it? GOD!!!!!! There
>>are so many other good books out there too! Yeah, it's a great book, but
>let's not >elevate it to the best seller list JUST because the members of Pearl
>Jam read it!

>I agree. The book was a s l o w lesson in the fucking obvious, but hey...WE
>WANT THAT BOWLING BALL! Cosmic bowling is *hot*, don'tcha' know!?!
>

I really wish people would stop telling me that I only read that book
because of Pearl Jam. I suppose, in a sense, it's true, because I
might not have seen it if I hadn't known about it from them, but then
again...if it had looked like something I wouldn't enjoy to begin
with, I'd have never read it. And I'm not entering the contest.

And it may be a slow lesson in the obvious for you, and that's great,
IMO, but I still think most of the world would never think in the
terms that book presents, and for them, it'd be a revelation.

Yes, I know no one was telling *me* specifically that I read it
because of Pearl Jam, but it's been implied, more than once, that
anyone who bought it solely because of their recommendation are sheep
following the herd, and that really annoys me. :P

Shannon

[Nae30]

Shannon writes:

>na...@aol.com (Nae30) wrote:

WOW!!! Janeane *was* right...humor doesn't come across in print!!!

Shannon, you admit as do I, that because of the reccomendation [and not the
ball prize] the book was bought. Now do *I* think that it "sheep" mentality?
No not at all. What I said, was a joke to my friend's comment. And I am sorry
that what's said about the book's purchase annoys you.

I think that the overall message is good, and as some have said before it can
be a real eye-opener, and can change perceptions or beliefs. And if one likes
reading, it is an okay read...it won't kill ya' for sure.

Would *I* reccomend the book to anyone? Personally, no. I have read the Story
Of B. [a sequel if you will] and it's much better.

A book that I am digging right now is The Red Tent by Anita Diamant, a fiction
also. It's a book about Dinah [daughter of Jacob in the Book of Genesis] that
is written in her voice about ancient womanhood. It's pretty cool.

But back to Ishmael. I have a problem in the fact that I read the book *after*
watching the movie George Of The Jungle with my kids. And I can't help but to
visualize George's "father Ape" figure as the talking Ishmael. Or Roddy
McDowell <sp?> in Planet Of The Apes for that matter! Ishamel freaks me out!
And a man who continually repeats, "I don't know" or "I'm not quite sure" in a
book that presents him initally as an educated intellect, sort of dissapoints
me.

So enjoy your book, but grab the sequel! And again, sorry to insult you...but
it wasn't my intention, really.

Nae30

[Shannon]

na...@aol.com (Nae30) wrote:

>WOW!!! Janeane *was* right...humor doesn't come across in print!!!
>
>Shannon, you admit as do I, that because of the reccomendation [and not the
>ball prize] the book was bought. Now do *I* think that it "sheep" mentality?
>No not at all. What I said, was a joke to my friend's comment. And I am sorry
>that what's said about the book's purchase annoys you.

Well I wasn't referring to you in particular. :) It's just something
that keeps coming up. And it was the recommendation that made me look
for the book, but if hadn't looked appealing to me I wouldn't have
gotten it. I've seen a couple of posts that suggest that we're all
running out and buying it and such simply because Eddie said we
should, which is different from having our attention directed that
way...

And I didn't mean to sound like such a grouch, either. I did know you
were just joking around...but like I said, it keeps coming up.

"I don't know" or "I'm not quite sure" in a
>book that presents him initally as an educated intellect, sort of dissapoints
>me.
>

That was actually one of the things I thought was really good about
it...the guy was educated, but when he was faced with the questions
Ishmael asked him, he immediately replied I don't know without ever
thinking about it...sort of the way that mankind in general do things
without thinking. Because if we ever really thought about the effect
that things have...we'd be horrified at ourselves. I thought it was
an interesting way to sort of show the denial...of course, that's just
my interpretation.

>So enjoy your book, but grab the sequel! And again, sorry to insult you...but
>it wasn't my intention, really.

No, no, you didn't. :) I'm tired and the NCAA tournament is stressing
me out. :)

Shannon

[PMSherm]

Nae sed: <<WOW!!! Janeane *was* right...humor doesn't come across in
print!!!>>

Yeah, and neither does sarcasam, or just plain frustration.

I'm sorry, I want to say that b4 I even start writing here. I apologize to Ed
and all you guys you there who had to read my shit. I was just upset simply
because of the young people who were taking liberties with Ed's words.

My nephew's friends, like I sed, took the *harpoon* comment and ran with
it....cuz they worship Ed and he sed it. Then when I told them to go back and
read it, they gathered that Ed did that when he was younger, and they want to
be just like him. I don't have a problem with that...but I don't want them
going around saying that shit. I feel responsible goddmanit, cuz I turned them
all onto Pearl Jam. It's my problem and I shouldn't have come in here and
spouted off about it.

Secondly, when my girlfriend called me to tell me that her son was trying to
quote Ed from that article that I directed him to, so he could get out of going
to church this morning...I again felt responsible...for the same reason I state
up above. But luckily this kid was nice enough to call me this morning and say
that he was going to go to church and that I didn't have to go to make a point
that he shouldn't give up going to church simply because of what Ed sed. I
felt much better. It's just that my girlfriend and her son have been going to
church forever, since he was a baby, and to have him read Ed's words and change
his mind so quickly, I got very upset.

My sarcasam in my first and second post wasn't clear enough, and it proves that
I need to brush up on my poor writing skills. Please, no one needs to explain
to me that I'm an idiot, I already know that. Now, I'm going to church just
for the fucking hell of it.

Happy Pearl Jamming.....
Paula

[PMSherm]

oh Monkie :) You're right, Ed's not perfect.....

and neither am i.....

hope you don't get in trouble for using your dad's addy.

Paula

[Laurie Hester]

Jett Karma wrote:

> pms...@aol.com (PMSherm) wrote:
>
> >Laurie sed: <<Get some flesh to stick, so they look like us," having the size
> >of one of his body parts discussed in public! I doubt he'd feel flattered. But
> >your point is well taken, and I know you all are
> >just admiring him. Now, let's discuss the size of his...brain! ;)>>
> >
> >ok, i've been pondering this since the 17th. i'd love to discuss ed's brain,
> >but, well....ok...let's discuss the man who talked about rolling models in
> >blood....and talk about him not being flattered about talking about such
> >nonsense that's contained in this thread.....let's discuss THIS comment!
> >

> >Ed sed in the CMJ interview:<<Actually, it wasn't "No fat chicks," what we used

> >to say was "Harpoon fat chicks," so that was even worse.>>
> >

> >OK! at least he knows that comment was WORSE! you're saying that this man
> >wouldn't be too keen on us talking about his penis....but it's ok for him to
> >make a comment like that! i guess ed wants to role models in blood, fatten
> >them up and then harpoon them. i know he was probably joking around with that
> >comment, but i was joking too with everything i sed in this thread....so i
> >guess we're even.
> >
> >yeah, ed may be a genius when it comes to music, but that subject has been
> >discussed to DEATH!
> >
> >we started talking about how degrading some comments can be, but that above
> >comment was MOST degrading! this edges into discrimination on
> >appearance....which i'm sure no one wants to discuss! i could talk all day on
> >this issue, being a person who lost a huge amount of weight for 2 reasons; 1 -
> >to be more healthy, and the most important reason 2 - cuz being fat isn't
> >acceptable in this conditional society!
> >
> >paula
> >who is done admiring ed.
>

> ***************
> hey!!! Hey!!!! HEY!!!! *He* made no such comment!!! *He* said
> "Believe it or not, I was always actually mature enough to be offended
> by that motto at a young age. Actually, it was 'Harpoon fat chicks,'

> so that was even worse."
>

> You can be done admiring Ed, but do it for a good reason--like
> something he actually said. Paula!!!
>
> You know, Ed's schoolboy photos show a young man who was *not*
> model-thin. And, he's had his chubby days, too, *after* fame got him.
> I get the distinct impression that weight for him is a struggle and
> that if he were "just anybody," he might, in fact, be a well-rounded
> person physically, as well as mentally.
>
> I think he may "fear" fat for himself...then again, he may not. I
> once read in one of the trashier magazines that Ed was said to have
> gone through a period of bulimia, where he would overdo it at meals
> and then go make himself be sick. Is this true??? I don't know. The
> magazine printed it and to my knowledge was not sued; but, I know full
> well that doesn't make it true. As a matter of fact, I doubt the
> story and bring it up only because even if the story was just an
> overblown reflection of his preoccupation with his own weight during a
> certain period in his life, I feel that if anyone were to run around
> spouting derogatory things about weight, except as a reflection of
> perhaps his own struggle with it, he would certainly be the last
> person to do so. (Certainly he would be the last person to do engage
> in this type of hate-filled behavior in a public forum, regardless of
> what he personally finds sexually attractive in a woman. He's a
> feminist for Chrissakes--says he is and acts like it.)
>
> Please reread the article and rethink this thing. I think you might
> just have seen some "trigger words" and a reaction formed before
> everything had a chance to gel. Paula, you know I love you. You know
> it. And you should also know that you are speaking to someone who
> knows "triggered" when she sees it, since I operate from an emotional
> base myself and, when highly roused, have a tendency to go off
> half-cocked. I really, really don't think Ed said one pejorative
> thing about weight and certainly nothing offensive to women.
>
> Love, Jett

In another post, Paula said she was concerned because some teens had read that
line and misinterpreted it. I just hope she used this situation to "influence"
those kids. I know that if my kids thought Eddie had said that comment in a
derogatory way, they wouldn't think it is cool, they would be disappointed in
Eddie. This is because I have brought them up to respect people, and they know that
Ed is a humanist (not merely feminist). Obviously those teens have not internalized
those values; but I don't believe you can blame Eddie for mentioning that phrase in
the context that he did, because some teens would possibly misinterpret it. He
can't be responsible for those kids' lack of sensitivity.

Laurie

[Jett Karma]

[Nae30]

Paula (PMSherm) writes:

>My sarcasam in my first and second post wasn't clear enough, and it proves
>that
>I need to brush up on my poor writing skills. Please, no one needs to
>explain
>to me that I'm an idiot, I already know that.

Don't sell yourself short, Paula. You're no idiot, you just had to answer to
those who had no right to hold you accountable for another's words. Your
freinds are the ADULTS...and because of that, they should fucking know better!
Better still, THEY should have read the interview themselves so that THEY could
explain what was meant, and where people were coming from.

As crazy as Ali is about Hanson, and as "clean" as that bunch presents
themselves to be...there is NOTHING that I allow her to read or get into
without my checking it out first. Don't let your friends be lazy...make them
get involved! What they interpreted opened up a conversation between us, and
those kids and their parents. But to be honest~ the issues would come up in
these kids lives...if not yesterday, than certainly in the future. And we
can't protect our kids from everything, but we can guide them to a certain
degree.

And don't feel guilty about turning them on to an interview or a band, either.
Again, you can't be held accountable for another's words. And it's not like
Ed gave the interview in Playboy.

As simple as it may seem, this is how the PMRCs and Delores Tuckers of the
world find something, uh..."useful" to do in their otherwise dull and boring
lives.

Renče

[PMSherm]

Yes, Jett, I went off half-cocked :) I was majorly wigging. And Jett, Nae,
Laurie, thanks for saying what you all sed. The CMJ article brought out a lot
of *life* issues that are slapping me, and people I know, namely kids who
either don't know how to read properly, or don't care, in the face. Yes,
Laurie, I'm using this situation to influence those kids, as best I can. I
really didn't mean to bring Ed into this. I was wrong. And Jett, if you read
my last couple of posts, maybe you'll understand. Like I mentioned b4,
sarcasam and frustration don't come out very well in printed words.

I really shouldn't care what effect that article has on others, but I do, after
the events that unfolded after it was out on the Internet for a while. At
first I blamed myself for being such a PJ enthusiast to younger kids, but that
was wrong too. If the parents of those kids don't know how to instruct their
offspring by letting them know that using the *harpoon* comment is harmful, and
that religion is a personal thing, not an Ed thing, I shouldn't feel
responsible....and neither should Ed. But some of those parents have read the
article themselves and realized that Ed isn't an oger, and have stopped
harrassing me for turning their kids on to Pearl Jam, which was bothering me a
great deal.

I take *kids* very seriously, and I think that Jett and Nae know why :) They
are our future and are way more important than Pearl Jam. And I've decided to
spend some of my energy in that arena, to hopefully *make a positive
difference* someday.

Well, this will be the last time I go off half-cocked. Hey! What a blessed
way to end this thread....with the term *half-COCKED*. LOLS!!!! Anyway, have
fun with future discussions! I'm throwing in the towel. I hope I see you guys
around in email :)

Paula
who has successfully turned into a *parent* without aid of actually giving
birth.

[Mars10]

Speaking as a woman who has been picked on( and still to this day) about my
weight. I was heartbroken over the possibility of Ed being discriminating
towards women of *size*. You know I was talikg to my sister the other day
walking around in the mall, I made the comment that the Fashion industry is
bigoted and cruel...how you ask....here is a example


I look at a magazine for clothing for women of *size*...I notice no
large woman modelling these clothes, who is modelling these clothes are the
waifish beauties and looking quite proud of it....when a woman who is large
sees these things(such as myself) it does not do no good for the ego and
self-esteem,confidence.And it makes me sad.


Children can and are sometimes very
cruel,in school I was called names that applied to farm,jungle or sea
animals.Like moose,elephant,whale(what a personal favorite)cow,pig. So now I
have it in my head that I am no better than the common animal(Id rather be Id
rather be.....)

It is no secret that society in
general wants women to look like a slender goddess fresh from the spa......and
men to look like they spent six million hours at the gym. When will it stop.
And I am tired of it.

I am sure that I will get a ton of
negative responses from this statement....but so what.....I speak the truth as
I see it!
Mars10

[Jett Karma]

mar...@aol.com (Mars10) wrote:

****************
You know now not to be heartbroken, right? He never said anything bad
about anyone of size. He didn't even bring the whole subject up.
And, really, really, I can't imagine him saying anything so cruel. He
doesn't strike me as being a superficial person. No Way.

You know I bought the CMJ and had my husband read the article. He's
so nice to me and so indulgent about this whole PJ thing. After my
husband read the article he said, "Wow. I really liked what Eddie had
to say. What he had to say about women and weight was really
impressive. He's obviously a very intelligent person." So, we ended
up having a little chat about the whole subject of beauty and what
Madison Avenue dictates we should all look like. You know, my husband
is *also* a very intelligent man. :))

And, I have to say, I think you can tell a lot about a man depending
on his views about women and how free he tells women what they should
look like. A man is entitled to his preferences, mind you; I just
don't think he's entitled to tell a woman or women in general what
they should look just to please him. My husband has lived through all
of my various stages...the I'm gonna be a natural woman stage wherein
I refused to shave, the I'm shaving *every* hair that's not on my head
stage, the I'm cutting my hair off short stage, the I'm getting an
Afro stage, the disco queen stage, the at-home preschool mom stage,
Ms. Office Attire stage, and now the growing out my gray stage. He
never once dictated to me what I should do with myself, he never said
I should gain weight or lose weight, or cut my hair or color it auburn
or purplish black (I loved that look). (He did hint he liked some of
the stages better than others, and I tried to go with what his
preferences were.) I've been unreal happy with this guy, and I
wouldn't trade him for *anyone,* no matter how tall, short, dark,
handsome, intelligent, dude, etc.

I've also had friends whose husbands/boyfriends didn't hesitate to
tell them what to do, what they should eat, when they should exercise,
etc., etc. I always felt that guys who act like this don't respect
their mates as people, that they somehow think of their
girlfriends/wives as possessions on some level. To be honest, I've
always felt a little sorry for my friends with the guys that felt it
their duty to tell my friends how they ought to look...mostly because
it's behavior that tends to spill over into other areas of their
lives, including how they should spend their money.

It isn't any secret that slender goddesses from the spa is what this
society wants (or slender Gods either--look at poor Mike Mc and all
the guff he's getting because he gained a couple of pounds). It's
also no secret that the vast majority of us "don't measure up" to the
ideal. When I was at my slenderest "best" and weighed in at 104 lbs.
for a whole 24-hour period (oh so many moons ago), I *still* didn't
measure up. I wasn't tall. I'm way too short. I wasn't blonde. My
eyes weren't blue. I worried about this. I wanted to be The
Goddess. It seems to me that it's also no secret that this is a
society based upon selling people things...and that it is a society
that therefore is built upon preying on people's
weaknesses/doubts/paranoia about themselves. The main images shown to
you are going to be images you can't achieve, because if you could,
you would not buy these products that will somehow magically help
bring you closer to the image in our heads of what "we should be." If
you think about, I think you'll see a pattern...from tooth polish
commercials that make you fear you have yellow teeth or bad breath to
laundry detergent ads which indicate that if you don't use their
product you laundry will be dingy and smell worse than if you buy what
they're selling. Think about it...if they showed happy images of
average people...you'd think...I don't need this "X"...I'm already
like that!! A lot of advertising caters to the lowest denominators in
us all...fear, envy, snootiness (I've got an "X" and *she* doesn't!),
etc.

But you know, now I'm old and crotchety and say to hell with what
society wants (well, I'm not that old, but god almighty, I *am*
crotchety!); to hell with what Madison Avenue wants. I think that is
something that is coming to me with age...or maybe it's just my true
colors showing, even if they are on the grey-scale side <g>.

--Jett, not what society wants, either; but, after five years of
"living in sin," and 15 years of marriage, apparently still what her
husband finds attractive...no fear, no hard sell. I'm a lucky woman.

[bryanand...@msn.com]

I can see how Ed's comments could be interpretted as "insensitive". I was a
little suprised. It seemed as if JG went on to the next question pretty
quickly. I think if there was something really "there", if he were in fact
being insensitive, she would have explored it. No, I think she would have
blasted him!!!
Jessi

[PMSherm]

Mars sed: <<Speaking as a woman who has been picked on( and still to this day)

about my weight. I was heartbroken over the possibility of Ed being
discriminating towards women of *size*.>>

Speaking as a woman who sed she was going to throw in the fucking towel, and
who was picked on too cuz of her weight, I need to tell you <cuz i'm the goof
who started this shit> that Ed wasn't discriminating towards women's size. And
I'd like to throw a thank you to Jessi for saying how it could have been
interpretted as "insensitive"....but that only happens if you don't read it
carefully. Ed merely revived an old fat joke by accident. But I think it's
been sed by many people that Ed's just a wonderful dude, so enough about Ed.

Mars, it takes a strong person to say the things you sed. And I'll tell you
that if I gain the slighest bit of weight, I hear the comments too. I may have
lost a lot of weight, but I still have a lot more to lose if I want to be the
ideal woman...but FUCK that! My husband likes me exactly the way I am! And so
do I. That's what true love is all about, loving everything about a person
unconditionally. And loving yourself is the most important!

You mentioned not seeing large women modeling large women clothes. I noticed
that myself. Even the *Just My Size* ads are missing some of these larger
women! They might get a woman who is slightly over-weight, but not exactly
big. I work for that particular ad agency, but not on those ads, and I
mentioned it to them. I got the typical response....."no one wants to see a
fat woman in an advertisement". FUCK, I DO! Goddamnit! That crap makes me
want to go postal!

Personally, I find some people who are overweight very attractive, and their
size only amplifies their beauty! And I ain't saying that just to be nice!
It's the truth! And as far as I'm concerned, there more there to love! But
there is the issue of being thinner to be healthier, that's true too. People
who are too overweight do have problems physically, but if being overweight
doesn't effect your health, and you're comfortable with it....fuck everyone
else!

My husband is worried cuz he's getting the *tire* around the middle...lols...as
he's getting older. So he tries to lose it from time to time. I always tell
him, "HEY! I like holding onto to that tire!" But he hates the middle-aged
jokes about men being comfortable in a marriage and gaining weight. His family
all are thin, my family is not. His mom, dad, sister and brother are all thin
as a rail, and they always joke to him about it...mind you they don't even talk
about me...dare they? Like I sed, I'm not thin but I do have a waistline. So
one day I made a comment about their fat jokes and made them feel REAL BAD!
They never bring it up again. But they are the first to praise me when I lose
noticable weight, and I DON'T thank them for their compliment! I just don't
give a fuck what they think.

<<So now I have it in my head that I am no better than the common animal(Id
rather be Id rather be.....)>>

Stop thinking that right now! Please! This is what got me so upset when I
heard some kids using the harpoon comment. Oh my god I almost went balistic!
Cuz the kid at the receiving end of that joke was a nice kid...a young
girl....who was attractive, but was heavier than the rest of the kids. I think
when kids see another kid whose appearance is different from theirs, it's time
to make fun of them. I don't get it. So the kids used the *whale* as the
animal of choice in this instance, and later I laughed, cuz if I were to come
back as an animal....a whale wouldn't be too bad :) Damn! They get to roam
the ocean and see a world that we don't normally get to see. Wouldn't that be
awesome!?!?!?! And how about an elephant *giggle*...I'd come back as an
elephant and USE THOSE BIG FEET TO STAMP ON SOME PEOPLE! Hey, this would make
a great movie...LOLS!!! All farm animals used in reference to fat people would
attack all the assholes for being so mean! And I like mooses! And pigs get to
roll in mud and they don't get in trouble for it! And to be a cow...lols!
There would always be someone to milk me! Everyday!

Ya see, Mars, ya gotta find humor in every hardship. I used to be an ugly
duckling as a young girl, and I know what it feels like to be picked on because
of being fat. But when I was younger, I used to think about being those
animals that I was called, and make myself laugh about it. And then I lost
weight in high school and got down to a size 5 and the boys were all over me,
and I had to think that it was cuz I was thinner, and it was! Being liked for
superficial reasons is just as bad as being joked about for being heavy. But I
did find two boys who didn't care about that, and then I found my husband.
Luckily, there are mature intelligent men out there who don't just look for
tits and ass. Ya just have to weed them out.

I think I sed something in here about models who pose nude for
artists...lols....yeah, the human form is amazing! After sketching a man and a
woman who were BUILT, I wondered why a heavier person couldn't sit there for us
to sketch, cuz it would be great! Like the older scrulptures of women from the
past who were curvy, had a belly and wider hips, they were BEAUTIFUL! I would
have given my teeth for a woman like that to sit down so I could sketch her!
But no! That's not what's done. It has to be a figure with slender thighs,
flat tummy, yadda yadda, and frankly, there's no fun in that cuz there's really
no challenge to sketch a form so perfect. No challenge of light and dark,
lines and curves...nothing....just a boring ass average skinny woman.

BORING!

I personally don't want to be *average*. No offense to those who are...you all
have it made and society accepts you. And I don't want any goregous blondes
coming in here telling me of your hardships of being called *dumb*. I know too
many gorgeous blondes who are smart and successful! I work for most of
them...LOLS!!!!

So Mars, I'm wrapping my towel around you and giving you a big hug!
{{{{{{{{{{{{Mars}}}}}}}}}}}}}} And the next time someone makes a crack about
you, just thank them and/or smile. People who cracks jokes want to hurt, and
if you don't show it, it KILLS THEM. :)

And to all the people out there who like to make fun of heavy people....may a
moose stick his antler so far up your ass that it comes out your nose!

Paula!

[Carla Barton]

bryanand...@msn.com wrote:
>
> I can see how Ed's comments could be interpretted as "insensitive". I was a
> little suprised. It seemed as if JG went on to the next question pretty
> quickly. I think if there was something really "there", if he were in fact
> being insensitive, she would have explored it. No, I think she would have
> blasted him!!!
> Jessi
>

I don't know how it was interpreted as insensitivity, he said that he
was always mature enough even at a young age to be offerded by those
types of remarks himself.

carla

[Jett Karma]

bryanand...@msn.com wrote:

>I can see how Ed's comments could be interpretted as "insensitive". I was a
>little suprised. It seemed as if JG went on to the next question pretty
>quickly. I think if there was something really "there", if he were in fact
>being insensitive, she would have explored it. No, I think she would have
>blasted him!!!
>Jessi
>

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************
Excuse me and correct me if I'm wrong if you have a more accurate copy
of the article than I do, but it was JG that brought the whole matter
up, not Ed, I mean assuming we have the transcript entire. Ed didn't
suddenly jump up and start ranting and chanting "harpoon fat chicks!"
in the middle of an interview where he was talking about college
radio!! He may eccentric, but I don't think he's outright
certifiable.

Judging from the resulting aftermath of even acknowledging that she
brought it up, he should have blasted *her* on the spot! (Not
really.) "Thanks a lot Janeane!! Boy, my career looks rosier than
ever now!!! People's respect for me has Zoomed to the stratosphere!!
Everybody's offended at something *I* never even said!!! And, I have
you to thank for starting it! Although, really, it's not your fault.
It's just that people can't read; but, I can't say *that*! And I said
"I was" bored of education???? Wait, maybe I take that back."

Okay, that's sheer melodrama; but, come on! I can see, concretely,
why the guy is reluctant to do interviews. It's like...someone
interprets what he said (or misinterprets it), and suddenly...it's
like the gospel...it's *what he said,* even though he didn't say it,
even though he didn't even bring it up!!

I honestly fail to see how anyone could be offended by what he *did*
say. Honestly. Explain to me how what he did say could be offensive
in any way to anybody. Okay...maybe people who are immature and know
it *and* are not proud of being immature could be offended (he did, by
implication, insult immature people)...but, beyond that....

--Jett, feels like she's tied to the tracks and the train is a comin'
on this issue, but Jeez Louise!!!

EV: "I'm really not doing this interview to promote a record on
college radio. Play whatever you want; that's my *main* concern."

JG: "Is that your motto? That and "No fat chicks." Is that your

bumper sticker?"

EV: "Believe it or not, I was always actually mature enough to be
offended by that motto at a young age. Actually, it was 'harpoon fat
chicks,' so that was even worse. No, my main concern is that college

[yngver]

In article <351987d1...@news.flash.net>
jzbl...@flash.net (Jett Karma) writes:

> I honestly fail to see how anyone could be offended by what he *did*
> say. Honestly. Explain to me how what he did say could be offensive
> in any way to anybody. Okay...maybe people who are immature and know
> it *and* are not proud of being immature could be offended (he did, by
> implication, insult immature people)...but, beyond that....
>
> --Jett, feels like she's tied to the tracks and the train is a comin'
> on this issue, but Jeez Louise!!!

Well, Jett, if you ever needed proof that PJ fans absolutely cannot
take a joke, this thread is it.
-yngver
(to reply, change initial "i" to "y")