kwami should get fired
Vin
irritating, incompetant and useless. i can't believe they picked
that artist, these guys are IDIOTS. why not just ask themselves,
what painting would i buy? and go with whatever artist gets the
most votes. obviously the broader the appeal, the easier to sell.
the landscape was -clearly- the best pick, you could hang any of
his pieces in anyones living room.. and he was cheap. troys stock
has doubled after this even though they still would have won no
matter who they picked.
evolutionbaby
than our president killing people... what a life!
Vin
oh my, look at that emotional breakdown, not only crying, but
barging in on trump. so not only did she not come close
to winning, she's proven herself to be -extremely- immature
and unprofessional, also incompetant, lazy and rude, she undeniably
has a -huge- attitude problem, AND she's emotional. looks like
someone was completely wrong on ALL counts :) and if she got
a concussion from a falling piece of sheet metal why didn't she
correct trump when he brought up her 'bump on the head from
a falling piece of plaster'? no one actually still believes she
suffered massive head trauma that day, right?
karen
even though i hate omarosa
> but hopefully omarosa, since she's so unbelievably pathetic,
> irritating, incompetant and useless. i can't believe they picked
> that artist, these guys are IDIOTS. why not just ask themselves,
> what painting would i buy? >
omarosa didnt want to. i have to give her a little credit.
were you loving it too much when trump ragged her ass about the plaster?
LOL...i have to admit, i fucking loved it.
and now, i cant help but to believe omarosa is indeed full
of shit about the head injury. surely donald knows what went on...exactly
what went on, id wager.
<and go with whatever artist gets the
> most votes. obviously the broader the appeal, the easier to sell.
> the landscape was -clearly- the best pick, you could hang any of
> his pieces in anyones living room.. >
cool art, cool thoughts that went into it..
<and he was cheap. troys stock
> has doubled after this even though they still would have won no
> matter who they picked.
>
>
ummm...troys??:)
Vin
>than our president killing people... what a life!
just to be clear, was the point of your post to insult your president
or to insult me? or both? thanks
karen
>
> oh my, look at that emotional breakdown, not only crying, but
> barging in on trump. >
lofl...the highlight of the entire show so far:) what a fucking moron. i was
so loving it.
<<so not only did she not come close
> to winning, she's proven herself to be -extremely- immature
> and unprofessional, also incompetant, lazy and rude, she undeniably
> has a -huge- attitude problem, AND she's emotional. looks like
> someone was completely wrong on ALL counts :) and if she got
> a concussion from a falling piece of sheet metal why didn't she
> correct trump when he brought up her 'bump on the head from
> a falling piece of plaster'? no one actually still believes she
> suffered massive head trauma that day, right?
>
trumps comments had a way of changing my mind...
but, as much as omarosa sucks, i would have let the bitch stay.
i would have sent kwami on his way.
heidi, troy and kwami sucked more than omarosa as far as the project went.
imho.
but im glad to see her go and this show was very funny, thanks for the
laughs omarosa!
karen
i hate the way all the posts arent coming in ...
who made that comment
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karen
president killing people.
i got a lot of enjoyment out of watching the tv show.
enjoyment that i wanted and needed. whats wrong with a little
happiness...even if it comes from a tv show
evolutionbaby
Vin wrote:
>
> >I really wish I was in Canada and could worry about a tv show, rather
> >than our president killing people... what a life!
>
> just to be clear, was the point of your post to insult your president
> or to insult me? or both? thanks
Those two things AND I'm half serious about wanting to leave this
country... it's just so damn cold up there... :(
Laurie
karen
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Vin
>of shit about the head injury. surely donald knows what went on...exactly
>what went on, id wager.
i'm going to bite my tongue
><and he was cheap. troys stock
>> has doubled after this even though they still would have won no
>> matter who they picked.
>>
> ummm...troys??:)
er nick
karen
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karen
"Vin" <i...@like.snow> wrote in message
> >and now, i cant help but to believe omarosa is indeed full
> >of shit about the head injury. surely donald knows what went on...exactly
> >what went on, id wager.
>
> i'm going to bite my tongue
>
allow me
j/k...just kidding!:)
> ><and he was cheap. troys stock
> >> has doubled after this even though they still would have won no
> >> matter who they picked.
> >>
> > ummm...troys??:)
>
> er nick
>
yes, nick. he seems to be a pet...
Vin
karen
> i dont live in canada and i have plenty more to worry about than our
> president killing people.
also...i wasnt aware of any drafts....
Vin
>> >than our president killing people... what a life!
>>
>> just to be clear, was the point of your post to insult your president
>> or to insult me? or both? thanks
>
>Those two things AND I'm half serious about wanting to leave this
>country... it's just so damn cold up there... :(
>
>Laurie
lets try again, just to be clear, was the point of your post to insult your
president or to insult me? or both? thanks
>
>>
karen
> lets try again, just to be clear, was the point of your post to insult
your
> president or to insult me? or both? thanks
>
>
Vin
so she admits she was insulting me for no reason?
Sausage Mahoney
> than our president killing people... what a life!
>
Or in the U.S. posting hundreds of times so far just this year in a
newsgroup about a rock band.
karen
>
karen
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Coil
i saw is that the art didn't have mass appeal, it was more of a niche item.
but they also thought that the crazy artist had a nice following and that
didn't pan out so well for them.
all they had to do was sell two of her paintings or sculptures and they had
a shot at winning. i think for a bunch of people that don't know about art,
selling only a couple of pieces at high prices is more appealing than
selling more lower cost paintings.
either way, omerosa needed to go, and like i said before, trump and his
associates haven't made a bad decision yet.
nick really helped himself this week, but i thought he should have taken
troy instead of amy.
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Holtz
Vin wrote:
I wonder who Carolyn is talking to next week when she says she hasn't
seen anything from them?
--
Holtz.
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Vin
>i saw is that the art didn't have mass appeal, it was more of a niche item.
>but they also thought that the crazy artist had a nice following and that
>didn't pan out so well for them.
>all they had to do was sell two of her paintings or sculptures and they had
>a shot at winning. i think for a bunch of people that don't know about art,
>selling only a couple of pieces at high prices is more appealing than
>selling more lower cost paintings.
i think it was a -terrible- decision, and thats not in hindsight, i
thought it at the time as well. the higher price was just one factor,
the main factor was that it was artwork that probably less than 5% of
people would want hanging in their living room, it was pretty fucking
out there, severed heads, etc..? vs the landscape guy who's work probably
appeals to 99% of people. hypothetically say its 10% and 90%, that means
his potential client base is nine times larger than hers, and thats before
you factor in the fact that he can sell his paintings to anyone with $1500
or more, she can't sell most of her pieces to anyone that doesn't have at
least $4000, further widening the gap unless everyone walking into the
place had money to burn. yet her prices are only about 2.5 times higher.
doesn't add up AT ALL, its the equivalent of selling some crazy industrial
russian speed metal album for $35 thinking you're going to make more
money than if you sell the latest strokes album for $10. now if the italian
girls work cost three times as much as the landscape guy then it would have
been interesting.
>either way, omerosa needed to go, and like i said before, trump and his
>associates haven't made a bad decision yet.
not terribly difficult decisions, there's only five people who've had
ANY potential since the first week, anytime he fires a loser for whatever
reason its a good decision. i think he should be able to fire multiple
people per show, if there are three clear losers, get rid of them all,
randomly decide the teams everyday, give the final four or two extra
challenges or long complex two episode challenges to make it 16 weeks..
i'd rather watch that. i hope they have better contestants next time,
and better challenges. although of course nothing will change because
its a hit and you don't mess with a winning formula.
>nick really helped himself this week, but i thought he should have taken
>troy instead of amy.
i think amy is the only person that has never lost a single challenge.
plus they seem to get along much better with amy than troy.
synecdoche
<evolut...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Vin wrote:
>>
>> >I really wish I was in Canada and could worry about a tv show, rather
>> >than our president killing people... what a life!
>>
>> just to be clear, was the point of your post to insult your president
>> or to insult me? or both? thanks
>
>Those two things AND I'm half serious about wanting to leave this
>country... it's just so damn cold up there... :(
>
Yeah, pretty chilly in Victoria today... around 10-12 degrees (what's
that, around 50-60 fahrenheit?). :P
Canada isn't that cold. Sure, some parts are, but it is just a
stereotype.
-dave
Vin
>seen anything from them?
>
>--
>Holtz.
obviously kwami or heidi
oshuns
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> irritating, incompetant and useless. i can't believe they picked
> that artist, these guys are IDIOTS. why not just ask themselves,
> what painting would i buy? and go with whatever artist gets the
> most votes. obviously the broader the appeal, the easier to sell.
> the landscape was -clearly- the best pick, you could hang any of
> his pieces in anyones living room.. and he was cheap. troys stock
> has doubled after this even though they still would have won no
> matter who they picked.
dude thats NICK, hehe. troy is the southerner on heidi and omarosa's team.
and i agree, if it were only about performance in that week's challenge,
then it should have been kwame, but overall omorosa had to go so why not
take the opportunity to flush her when he had it. plus that crying bursting
in the room thing...eesh.
meanwhile what trump said when nick picked amy AGAIN, about how maybe he
should just give it to her now and not bother with the competitions...i
couldnt agree more. we know kwame and heidi and katrina just arent going to
get there, so fucking get rid of them now. im losing patience. bill, amy,
nick and troy are the final four.
s
>
>
oshuns
> than our president killing people... what a life!
how fuckin condascending and judgemental and dramatic. excuse us for
enjoying some relaxation. as if you sit 24/7 and think about the president
killing people. gimme a break.
s
oshuns
hehe my mom sent me mail about a vicious winter storm in vancouver....it was
a photo of a lawn chair turned on its side, with flowers blooming in the
background. hehe.
s
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oshuns
Vin <i...@like.snow> wrote in message
or katrina.
s
>
>
karen
> nick and troy are the final four.
>
from the start i said bill and amy would be the two final. im thinking now
its gonna be nick and amy.
ouch!
karen
> how fuckin condascending and judgemental and dramatic. excuse us for
> enjoying some relaxation. as if you sit 24/7 and think about the
president
> killing people. gimme a break.
>
like i said...squid needs to change his sig..
karen
> >
> > obviously kwami or heidi
>
> or katrina.
>
god i hope its katrina. shes really making me sick.
but kwami is and has been pretty worthless.
Vin
>
>or katrina.
>
>s
they'd hardly be saying that about katrina
evolutionbaby
Vin wrote:
>
> >> >I really wish I was in Canada and could worry about a tv show, rather
> >> >than our president killing people... what a life!
> >>
> >> just to be clear, was the point of your post to insult your president
> >> or to insult me? or both? thanks
> >
> >Those two things AND I'm half serious about wanting to leave this
> >country... it's just so damn cold up there... :(
> >
> >Laurie
>
> lets try again, just to be clear, was the point of your post to insult your
> president or to insult me? or both? thanks
Asked and answered. Those two things and a third point as well. Two
insults and a poignant wish to escape, all rolled into one statement.
Aren't I good?
Laurie
evolutionbaby
Ah, vin, we only slag the ones we love... :)
Laurie
evolutionbaby
synecdoche wrote:
>
> Yeah, pretty chilly in Victoria today... around 10-12 degrees (what's
> that, around 50-60 fahrenheit?). :P
>
> Canada isn't that cold. Sure, some parts are, but it is just a
> stereotype.
>
> -dave
Hmm, you're talking to a Californian...
Laurie
Dirk Diggler
five minutes to watch/talk about a show on TV, you are quite misguided. Do
your children get to watch TV?
DD
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> I really wish I was in Canada and could worry about a tv show, rather
> than our president killing people... what a life!
>
karen
>
> Ah, vin, we only slag the ones we love... :)
>
thats so not true
oshuns
it could have been his ass just as easily last night, but the squeaky wheel
gets the street.
=)
s
>
oshuns
i lived in cali for a year and it had its share of cold nights and
days....at least in san fran.
s
karen
> >
>
> it could have been his ass just as easily last night, but the squeaky
wheel
> gets the street.
> =)
>
could have, should have.
he was team leader...
omarosa didnt want to use that shitty art...yet she was able to get rid of
the hallowed pussy pic...
John
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>
> how fuckin condascending and judgemental and dramatic. excuse us for
> enjoying some relaxation. as if you sit 24/7 and think about the
president
> killing people. gimme a break.
>
It was certainly not the finest statment ever uttered in here, that's for
sure. I guess we're not allowed to sit around and enjoy TV in America
because of what our President has done, but the people in Canada can do
whatever they want. Lucky bastards!!!
Actually, that implication is kind of funny, actually, because Ms. Evolution
has been very vocal about how stupid Americans are because of television. I
guess that has officially carried over the border. It was only a matter of
time.
Later,
John
John
> but hopefully omarosa, since she's so unbelievably pathetic,
> irritating, incompetant and useless. i can't believe they picked
> that artist, these guys are IDIOTS. why not just ask themselves,
> what painting would i buy? and go with whatever artist gets the
> most votes. obviously the broader the appeal, the easier to sell.
> the landscape was -clearly- the best pick, you could hang any of
> his pieces in anyones living room.. and he was cheap. troys stock
> has doubled after this even though they still would have won no
> matter who they picked.
>
Omarosa was on TV today saying that she was misrepresented on TV by the
editors and that she really isn't that way at all. She also said that her
goal going forward is to make it public that the way blacks are portrayed on
reality TV is wrong and people should know the 'truth'.
If that's the case, however, why does Kwami come off as a quiet, affable
individual who hasn't had a conflict with anyone? And he's on the same show
Omarosa was on!
I am sure she won't want to answer that question. OH YEAH, she has a line
of clothing she is promoting, as well.
As well, in Real World San Diego, the black guy, Jacquese, is by far the
nicest guy in the house and the one who stops the other, white people from
fighting. I guess he didn't get the memo that he had to be confrontational
in all regards.
Later,
John
Ji-nay
> <evolut...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >Those two things AND I'm half serious about wanting to leave this
> >country... it's just so damn cold up there... :(
> >
>
> Yeah, pretty chilly in Victoria today... around 10-12 degrees (what's
> that, around 50-60 fahrenheit?). :P
<temperature conversion geek mode>
Yes, 10 is 50F, 12 is about 54. And we have sun again in Vancouver today,
hooray :)
</temperature conversion geek mode>
> Canada isn't that cold. Sure, some parts are, but it is just a
> stereotype.
>
> -dave
Zactly. And most places are quite warm/hot in the summer (plus the wretched
humidity in some areas, like back in Ontario).
-Jennifer
Ji-nay
>
> hehe my mom sent me mail about a vicious winter storm in vancouver....it
was
> a photo of a lawn chair turned on its side, with flowers blooming in the
> background. hehe.
>
> s
Hehehe :)
John
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> <temperature conversion geek mode>
> Yes, 10 is 50F, 12 is about 54. And we have sun again in Vancouver today,
> hooray :)
> </temperature conversion geek mode>
>
I think you're always in temparture conversion geek mode, because that's not
the first time you've done a conversion in here. I think you even have the
formula memorized, don't ya?
:)
Later,
John
evolutionbaby
I just believe that it is *because* people sit around and watch garbage
on TV which glorifies the "creed of greed" and then spend more hours
discussing it on the internet, that Bush and his ilk can get away with
what they get away with. TV is a drug which lulls people into
acceptance. Get mad, people! Take some responsibility for what is
going on in the world.
Canadians are somewhat excused, because their government isn't
destroying the environment, starting unnecessary wars, promoting
globalization, etc. Although, if I were Canadian, I would do whatever I
could to get rid of Bush because his policies *do* affect the entire
world. Our Clark group had 3 foreigners in it who couldn't vote, but
were determined to get rid of Bush. Complacency... dubbya's secret
weapon...
Laurie
Ji-nay
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Hehe, yes, busted :) And what's even sadder is that I can do the conversion
almost automatically in my head. I'm my father's daughter.
-Jennifer
oshuns
again, gimme a break. i dont have to take responsibility for what your
president is doing, and if i want to partake in some distraction and empty
enjoyment it is my right to do so. i dont have to fast like gandhi to prove
that i give a damn. i can go to the gym, watch crap on tv, read what i want,
go to movies, go to concerts (laurie, how can you attend pearl jam shows
when your president is killing people? get mad!), and still be a caring
concerned global citizen. i dont have to be you.
> Canadians are somewhat excused, because their government isn't
> destroying the environment, starting unnecessary wars, promoting
> globalization, etc. Although, if I were Canadian, I would do whatever I
> could to get rid of Bush because his policies *do* affect the entire
> world.
we dont vote in your elections.
>Complacency... dubbya's secret
> weapon...
so should actors stop acting? should atheletes stop training and playing?
should there be absolutely no pleasure in life and only attention to
politics? is that the way to live?
s
>
> Laurie
John
>
>
> Canadians are somewhat excused, because their government isn't
> destroying the environment, starting unnecessary wars, promoting
> globalization, etc. Although, if I were Canadian, I would do whatever I
> could to get rid of Bush because his policies *do* affect the entire
> world. Our Clark group had 3 foreigners in it who couldn't vote, but
> were determined to get rid of Bush. Complacency... dubbya's secret
> weapon...
>
Your rhetoric is to be commended.
Holtz
John wrote:
>As well, in Real World San Diego, the black guy, Jacquese, is by far the
>nicest guy in the house and the one who stops the other, white people from
>fighting. I guess he didn't get the memo that he had to be confrontational
>in all regards.
>
>Later,
>
>John
>
>
>
>
True, Jacquese seems like the most level headed normal one on the Real
World, with Jamie the asian girl being the normal girl. All the white
people on there are embarrassing, all they do is drink and fight, damn
stereotyping on reality shows!
--
Holtz.
My bootleg list,
http://www.tapetrader.com/Holtz
John
> (laurie, how can you attend pearl jam shows
> when your president is killing people? get mad!),
Because without Pearl Jam, Laurie would have no reason to live and if she
had no reason to live, she couldn't make such a difference in what is going
on in world politics.
Later,
John
JumpinJack
>
> I just believe that it is *because* people sit around and watch
> garbage on TV which glorifies the "creed of greed" and then spend more
> hours discussing it on the internet, that Bush and his ilk can get
> away with what they get away with. TV is a drug which lulls people
> into acceptance. Get mad, people! Take some responsibility for what
> is going on in the world.
>
> Canadians are somewhat excused, because their government isn't
> destroying the environment, starting unnecessary wars, promoting
> globalization, etc. Although, if I were Canadian, I would do whatever
> I could to get rid of Bush because his policies *do* affect the entire
> world. Our Clark group had 3 foreigners in it who couldn't vote, but
> were determined to get rid of Bush. Complacency... dubbya's secret
> weapon...
>
> Laurie
>
It's a Bush plot...
The credit as to who was the inventor of modern television really comes
down to two different people: Vladimir Kosma Zworykin, a Russian-born
American inventor working for Westinghouse, and Philo Taylor Farnsworth, a
privately backed farm boy from the state of Utah.
Recent evidence uncovered by Michael Moore, through the freedom of
information act, has pointed to a Bush family conspiracy, with connections
to both Zworkin and Farnsworth, that goes back to the early 1920's.
Prescott Bush, father of George H.W. Bush conceived the idea that people
can be controlled by "lulling them into complacency" by installing a TV in
every persons home. According to first person accounts, he was "obsessed"
with owning all the oil reserves on earth and passed his vision down
through his son and grandson. "Kill if you must", he would say during his
late night brainwashing sessions with young George H.
Quite the visionary, Prescott's inspirations came while huffing gasoline
behind the barn as a child. He can be credited with such diversionary
tactics such as:
"soap operas" "serial comedy" and "reality shows"
All designed to draw attention from his master plan of collecting oil.
Now it all makes sense...
--
JJ...
Fort Bragg, NC
Panhead@(SPAMTHIS)nc.rr.com
evolutionbaby
oshuns wrote:
>
> evolutionbaby <evolut...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:40490F34...@comcast.net...
> > I just believe that it is *because* people sit around and watch garbage
> > on TV which glorifies the "creed of greed" and then spend more hours
> > discussing it on the internet, that Bush and his ilk can get away with
> > what they get away with. TV is a drug which lulls people into
> > acceptance. Get mad, people! Take some responsibility for what is
> > going on in the world.
>
> again, gimme a break. i dont have to take responsibility for what your
> president is doing, and if i want to partake in some distraction and empty
> enjoyment it is my right to do so. i dont have to fast like gandhi to prove
> that i give a damn. i can go to the gym, watch crap on tv, read what i want,
> go to movies, go to concerts (laurie, how can you attend pearl jam shows
> when your president is killing people? get mad!), and still be a caring
> concerned global citizen. i dont have to be you.
No, you don't; and I've already said that Canadians aren't responsible
for what our president does. But like I said, expressing concern
occasionally on a newsgroup or complaining to your friends or voting for
Nader because you don't like the dems and repubs, ain't gonna change
anything. If you feel comfortable with how you live your life, that's
your business. It just baffles, me, however, how complacent Americans
are; most don't even bother to vote!
>
> > Canadians are somewhat excused, because their government isn't
> > destroying the environment, starting unnecessary wars, promoting
> > globalization, etc. Although, if I were Canadian, I would do whatever I
> > could to get rid of Bush because his policies *do* affect the entire
> > world.
>
> we dont vote in your elections.
There are plenty of things you can do to help sway an election. From
volunteer work to writing letters to media to buying merchandise to
indirectly support a candidate (I don't think you are allowed to donate
money, but I could be wrong). Not you, personally, but *one* could, if
they were Canadian and didn't like what dubbya is doing to the world.
>
> >Complacency... dubbya's secret
> > weapon...
>
> so should actors stop acting? should atheletes stop training and playing?
> should there be absolutely no pleasure in life and only attention to
> politics? is that the way to live?
Not saying you have to give up everything. I managed to fit in a
anti-war protest march on my PJ tour, and have pretty much been
volunteering full-time for the last 3-4 months. There can be a happy
medium between doing nothing to improve the planet and giving up your
life...
Laurie
evolutionbaby
oshuns
so you choose to take your aggravations about non voting 'complacent'
americans on canadians enjoying a television program?
> There are plenty of things you can do to help sway an election. From
> volunteer work to writing letters to media to buying merchandise to
> indirectly support a candidate (I don't think you are allowed to donate
> money, but I could be wrong). Not you, personally, but *one* could, if
> they were Canadian and didn't like what dubbya is doing to the world.
you realize we have our own goverment to worry about, right?
whered the part about how its ok to go on tour and enjoy concerts but not to
relax at home and enjoy television go, laurie?
> > >Complacency... dubbya's secret
> > > weapon...
> >
> > so should actors stop acting? should atheletes stop training and
playing?
> > should there be absolutely no pleasure in life and only attention to
> > politics? is that the way to live?
>
> Not saying you have to give up everything. I managed to fit in a
> anti-war protest march on my PJ tour, and have pretty much been
> volunteering full-time for the last 3-4 months. There can be a happy
> medium between doing nothing to improve the planet and giving up your
> life...
what i do to improve the planet has nothing to do with politics, the united
states or george bush. and i imagine its that way for many many people.
there are more ways than yours.
s
>
> Laurie
Drago
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> nick really helped himself this week, but i thought he should have taken
> troy instead of amy.
>
Doesn't Nick have the hots for Amy, though?
I was glad to see Nick FINALLY grow out of his 1950s "Hey, buddy, have I got
a deal for you!" salesman shtick. He seemed to work very well with the
patrons at the gallery. I knew right away as soon as they picked the
abstract landscape guy that they'd win. Great art and I'm sure he's selling
it for 50% markup this week :-P
Sooooo happy to see that little drama queen Omarosa go, but Heidi DOES need
to watch her mouth or it could bite her ass.
I think that while Kwame is a "nice guy", he really hasn't done anything to
stand out. He makes an excellent spoke in the wheel but not a fantastic
leader. SO, if the team that he is on loses next week, baring an massive
idiocy, then I think he'll be the one to go.
-=john=-
evolutionbaby
Yes, it's obvious that my whole intention was to attack you personally,
steph...
>
> > There are plenty of things you can do to help sway an election. From
> > volunteer work to writing letters to media to buying merchandise to
> > indirectly support a candidate (I don't think you are allowed to donate
> > money, but I could be wrong). Not you, personally, but *one* could, if
> > they were Canadian and didn't like what dubbya is doing to the world.
>
> you realize we have our own goverment to worry about, right?
That was in response to you saying that you couldn't vote. I was merely
pointing out that *if* you are concerned about it, there are things you
could do, not that you *should* do them.
>
> whered the part about how its ok to go on tour and enjoy concerts but not to
> relax at home and enjoy television go, laurie?
Music enhances, encourages involvement, inspires; TV dulls the mind,
encourages complacency and laziness and exposes you to a bombardment of
fear and commercials. No one is saying you can't enjoy life...
>
> > > >Complacency... dubbya's secret
> > > > weapon...
> > >
> > > so should actors stop acting? should atheletes stop training and
> playing?
> > > should there be absolutely no pleasure in life and only attention to
> > > politics? is that the way to live?
> >
> > Not saying you have to give up everything. I managed to fit in a
> > anti-war protest march on my PJ tour, and have pretty much been
> > volunteering full-time for the last 3-4 months. There can be a happy
> > medium between doing nothing to improve the planet and giving up your
> > life...
>
> what i do to improve the planet has nothing to do with politics, the united
> states or george bush. and i imagine its that way for many many people.
> there are more ways than yours.
Of course there are. Sitting around watching and discussing TV is not
one of the ways to contribute.
Laurie
oshuns
no, whats obvious is that your intention is irrelevant, and your comments
were misplaced, misguided and served only to make you feel good about
yourself while stripping enjoyment from others who found it where they found
it.
> >
> > whered the part about how its ok to go on tour and enjoy concerts but
not to
> > relax at home and enjoy television go, laurie?
>
> Music enhances, encourages involvement, inspires; TV dulls the mind,
> encourages complacency and laziness and exposes you to a bombardment of
> fear and commercials. No one is saying you can't enjoy life...
what a convenient argument. concerts and music are an escape for the mind
and the soul. tv is an escape for the mind. escape escape escape.
if tv dulls the mind then how do you explain us coming here to discuss it as
soon as an episode ends, rather than sitting on the edge of our sofa
drooling? maybe tv encourages complacency and laziness in you, but others
find ways to make it educational, motivational or just a pleasant way to
pass the time. we arent all couch potatoes just because we take in some tv.
meanwhile it was you who couldnt fathom us not spending every moment focused
on the president and his regime. isnt that YOU attempting to bombard US
with fear?
> > > > >Complacency... dubbya's secret
> > > > > weapon...
> > > >
> > > > so should actors stop acting? should atheletes stop training and
> > playing?
> > > > should there be absolutely no pleasure in life and only attention to
> > > > politics? is that the way to live?
> > >
> > > Not saying you have to give up everything. I managed to fit in a
> > > anti-war protest march on my PJ tour, and have pretty much been
> > > volunteering full-time for the last 3-4 months. There can be a happy
> > > medium between doing nothing to improve the planet and giving up your
> > > life...
> >
> > what i do to improve the planet has nothing to do with politics, the
united
> > states or george bush. and i imagine its that way for many many people.
> > there are more ways than yours.
>
> Of course there are. Sitting around watching and discussing TV is not
> one of the ways to contribute.
sitting around and watching pearl jam videos isnt either...but you do that,
dont you.
get off your high horse.
s
>
> Laurie
karen
>
> if tv dulls the mind then how do you explain us coming here to discuss it
as
> soon as an episode ends, >
and the times that i dont do that chances are its cuz im taping it because
im too fucking
busy to sit down and watch it when its on. when i was watching the last
episode i was like wanting to come
'before' the show was over to comment , but i controlled myself.
my husband doesnt watch it with me and usually i watch it by myself...i
could hardly wait to discuss.
also, its hardly a show that dulls the mind. the whole time its on im
thinking about what id do,
what they should do, adding things up..making lists in my mind.
it works my mind
<maybe tv encourages complacency and laziness in you, but others
> find ways to make it educational, motivational or just a pleasant way to
> pass the time. we arent all couch potatoes just because we take in some
tv.
>
yeah...what she said!
karen
>
> Music enhances, encourages involvement, inspires; TV dulls the mind,
> encourages complacency and laziness and exposes you to a bombardment of
> fear and commercials. No one is saying you can't enjoy life...
>
> >
another qualifier for squids sig...
Lisa Kavanaugh
>> encourages complacency and laziness and exposes you to a bombardment of
>> fear and commercials.
I work 7.5 hours a day and then come home and take care of my 2 boys..homework,
dinner, reading, baths, bed by 9--combined with laundry, kitchen clean-up, feed
the dogs, etc... Sometimes there's running around in there...basketball
practice/games, baseball practice, religion class, drs appointments, haircuts,
grocery shopping, library...the list goes on and on. By 9 pm I am exhausted.
I think I deserve to dull my mind and be complacent and lazy at least for an
hour or so a night.
Lisa
karen
> I work 7.5 hours a day and then come home and take care of my 2
boys..homework,
> dinner, reading, baths, bed by 9--combined with laundry, kitchen clean-up,
feed
> the dogs, etc... Sometimes there's running around in there...basketball
> practice/games, baseball practice, religion class, drs appointments,
haircuts,
> grocery shopping, library...the list goes on and on. By 9 pm I am
exhausted.
> I think I deserve to dull my mind and be complacent and lazy at least for
an
> hour or so a night.
>
amen!
one of my favorite channels to just be lazy with is tv land.
brings back a lot of nice childhood memories...very relaxing for me.
as long as im not thinking about all the sleep im not getting:)
evolutionbaby
oshuns wrote:
>
> evolutionbaby <evolut...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:404B5046...@comcast.net...
> >
> >
> > oshuns wrote:
> > > > your business. It just baffles, me, however, how complacent Americans
> > > > are; most don't even bother to vote!
> > >
> > > so you choose to take your aggravations about non voting 'complacent'
> > > americans on canadians enjoying a television program?
> >
> > Yes, it's obvious that my whole intention was to attack you personally,
> > steph...
>
> no, whats obvious is that your intention is irrelevant, and your comments
> were misplaced, misguided and served only to make you feel good about
> yourself while stripping enjoyment from others who found it where they found
> it.
My intention is NOT irrelevant. You seem to have taken a comment of
frustration about Americans who can't even be bothered to vote or get
involved in their political process as a personal insult about you, a
Canadian. I'm very sorry if I've managed to insult you and I apologize
for that, but it was NOT my intention.
> > Music enhances, encourages involvement, inspires; TV dulls the mind,
> > encourages complacency and laziness and exposes you to a bombardment of
> > fear and commercials. No one is saying you can't enjoy life...
>
> what a convenient argument. concerts and music are an escape for the mind
> and the soul. tv is an escape for the mind. escape escape escape.
Sure, it's an escape from reality. That's the whole point. I think if
people want to stop the Bush administration, they need to engage in
reality a bit more, rather than reality-tv. Again, this applies to
Americans, not so much Canadians; it is our government who is raping
this world.
But I do disagree about music being the same as tv in that regard. I
never heard of people becoming couch potatoes from listening to music.
Rather, those who listen to music get out and go see live shows, dance,
etc.
>
> if tv dulls the mind then how do you explain us coming here to discuss it as
> soon as an episode ends, rather than sitting on the edge of our sofa
> drooling?
Does it take that much effort to sit at a computer and write?
> maybe tv encourages complacency and laziness in you, but others
> find ways to make it educational, motivational or just a pleasant way to
> pass the time. we arent all couch potatoes just because we take in some tv.
Didn't say you were. I'm talking about Americans in general who can't
bother to take 15 minutes to vote.
>
> meanwhile it was you who couldnt fathom us not spending every moment focused
> on the president and his regime. isnt that YOU attempting to bombard US
> with fear?
Can we focus here? I'm concerned about Americans who can't seem to find
15 minutes to vote or an hour to find out what the candidates stand for,
yet can find the time week after week to spend hours watching and
discussing tv shows. I'm not suggesting that everyone should spend
every waking hour being politically active. I'm simply concerned about
and want to discuss the very real fact that less than half of Americans
vote and far fewer spend any time concerned about what their president
is doing, yet they seem to care more about who's getting "voted out" on
their favorite tv show this week.
It's a valid concern; you don't have to discuss it, but stop trying to
make this into me insulting you.
Laurie
evolutionbaby
Yeah, Lisa, that hour of watching tv is dulling your mind... Ô
Of course, I'm not talking about people like you, and I do remember how
it is to work and take care of two boys! It's all you can do not to
just collapse in the evenings. But it makes it all worth it just to see
them asleep looking like angels, doesn't it?
Laurie
evolutionbaby
Some of my best writing, indeed!
Laurie
Lisa Kavanaugh
>Yeah, Lisa, that hour of watching tv is dulling your mind... Ô
>
>Of course, I'm not talking about people like you, and I do remember how
>it is to work and take care of two boys! It's all you can do not to
>just collapse in the evenings. But it makes it all worth it just to see
>them asleep looking like angels, doesn't it?
>
>Laurie
Some evenings..I DO just collapse! But, yeah, they do look like angels when
they sleep! And, my house is so quiet.......
Lisa
oshuns
>
>
> oshuns wrote:
> >
> > evolutionbaby <evolut...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:404B5046...@comcast.net...
> > >
> > >
> > > oshuns wrote:
>
> > > > > your business. It just baffles, me, however, how complacent
Americans
> > > > > are; most don't even bother to vote!
> > > >
> > > > so you choose to take your aggravations about non voting
'complacent'
> > > > americans on canadians enjoying a television program?
> > >
> > > Yes, it's obvious that my whole intention was to attack you
personally,
> > > steph...
> >
> > no, whats obvious is that your intention is irrelevant, and your
comments
> > were misplaced, misguided and served only to make you feel good about
> > yourself while stripping enjoyment from others who found it where they
found
> > it.
>
> My intention is NOT irrelevant. You seem to have taken a comment of
> frustration about Americans who can't even be bothered to vote or get
> involved in their political process as a personal insult about you, a
> Canadian. I'm very sorry if I've managed to insult you and I apologize
> for that, but it was NOT my intention.
>
i was more offended at the overall generalizing and grandstanding of your
comment than to who specifically you were directing it at. though, since you
placed it smack dab in a thread where people in here including myself post
and enjoy every week, i felt like a worthy respondent.
> > > Music enhances, encourages involvement, inspires; TV dulls the mind,
> > > encourages complacency and laziness and exposes you to a bombardment
of
> > > fear and commercials. No one is saying you can't enjoy life...
> >
> > what a convenient argument. concerts and music are an escape for the
mind
> > and the soul. tv is an escape for the mind. escape escape escape.
>
> Sure, it's an escape from reality. That's the whole point. I think if
> people want to stop the Bush administration, they need to engage in
> reality a bit more, rather than reality-tv.
so watching the apprentice for one hour dictates that the viewer doesnt want
to stop the bush administration? this is nonsense.
> But I do disagree about music being the same as tv in that regard. I
> never heard of people becoming couch potatoes from listening to music.
> Rather, those who listen to music get out and go see live shows, dance,
> etc.
i will agree that music is more spiritual and lively and community oriented
and a far better experience and medium than tv could ever hope to be.
television can be evil...but not ALL tv is, and not ALL viewers are.
> > if tv dulls the mind then how do you explain us coming here to discuss
it as
> > soon as an episode ends, rather than sitting on the edge of our sofa
> > drooling?
>
> Does it take that much effort to sit at a computer and write?
that isnt the point, is it? you said it dulls the mind, and yet it inspires
discussion in here every single week. the apprentice isnt art, but its a
microcosm of society and its interesting. as karen stated already, it far
from dulls the mind.
> > maybe tv encourages complacency and laziness in you, but others
> > find ways to make it educational, motivational or just a pleasant way to
> > pass the time. we arent all couch potatoes just because we take in some
tv.
>
> Didn't say you were. I'm talking about Americans in general who can't
> bother to take 15 minutes to vote.
youre saying that non voting americans are that way due to television
viewership. is that really what you want to be saying??
> > meanwhile it was you who couldnt fathom us not spending every moment
focused
> > on the president and his regime. isnt that YOU attempting to bombard US
> > with fear?
>
> Can we focus here? I'm concerned about Americans who can't seem to find
> 15 minutes to vote or an hour to find out what the candidates stand for,
> yet can find the time week after week to spend hours watching and
> discussing tv shows. I'm not suggesting that everyone should spend
> every waking hour being politically active. I'm simply concerned about
> and want to discuss the very real fact that less than half of Americans
> vote and far fewer spend any time concerned about what their president
> is doing, yet they seem to care more about who's getting "voted out" on
> their favorite tv show this week.
> It's a valid concern; you don't have to discuss it, but stop trying to
> make this into me insulting you.
>
its got nothing to do with me. you insulted everyone who likes to relax in
front of the tv in america. and gave a 'nice life' comment to canadians as
if its a nation clueless to reality.
s
> Laurie
Daniel
>people want to stop the Bush administration, they need to engage in
>reality a bit more, rather than reality-tv. Again, this applies to
>Americans, not so much Canadians; it is our government who is raping
>this world.
>>
>> if tv dulls the mind then how do you explain us coming here to discuss it
>as
>> soon as an episode ends, rather than sitting on the edge of our sofa
>> drooling?
>
>Didn't say you were. I'm talking about Americans in general who can't
>bother to take 15 minutes to vote.
>Can we focus here? I'm concerned about Americans who can't seem to find
>15 minutes to vote or an hour to find out what the candidates stand for,
>yet can find the time week after week to spend hours watching and
>discussing tv shows. I'm not suggesting that everyone should spend
>every waking hour being politically active. I'm simply concerned about
>and want to discuss the very real fact that less than half of Americans
>vote and far fewer spend any time concerned about what their president
>is doing, yet they seem to care more about who's getting "voted out" on
>their favorite tv show this week.
>It's a valid concern; you don't have to discuss it, but stop trying to
>make this into me insulting you.
>
>Laurie
>
>
I agree with you about the majority of Americans seeming to care more about who
got voted out this week than the political process. I find that disturbing as
well. However, there is no reason why some of us can't care about both. Just
because we watch and post about The Apprentice every now and then doesn't mean
we're not politically active. Based on the amount of political threads in
here, I think the majority of the people in this group are. I spend more time
involved in politics per week than I do watching Tv.
I don't know why you took your frustration out on us in the gorup.
evolutionbaby
oshuns wrote:
>
> evolutionbaby <evolut...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:404BA7AF...@comcast.net...
> > Sure, it's an escape from reality. That's the whole point. I think if
> > people want to stop the Bush administration, they need to engage in
> > reality a bit more, rather than reality-tv.
>
> so watching the apprentice for one hour dictates that the viewer doesnt want
> to stop the bush administration? this is nonsense.
Where did you get that? I just find it amazing that people can get so
excited about a tv show, yet can't be bothered to take an interest in
corporations taking over our country and our children getting killed.
Try to see the big picture here. I'm not talking about individuals
here, and certainly not you. I'm talking about the fact that these
shows are so popular and the direction of our country is so unpopular.
How many people bother to watch a presidential debate compared to a
popular tv show? That's what I object to. Just like when John Lennon
said the Beatles were more popular than Jesus, people got offended, I am
offended that Americans in general care more about fictional characters
on tv than about the reality of our president quietly staffing up the
draft boards and preparing for the draft if he gets reelected.
What are you thoughts on this?
> > Didn't say you were. I'm talking about Americans in general who can't
> > bother to take 15 minutes to vote.
>
> youre saying that non voting americans are that way due to television
> viewership. is that really what you want to be saying??
Yes, I think tv and couch potatoism are related.
> its got nothing to do with me. you insulted everyone who likes to relax in
> front of the tv in america. and gave a 'nice life' comment to canadians as
> if its a nation clueless to reality.
It was not a sarcastic comment. I am sincere in that; I have felt this
way about other countries I've lived in. Countries whose leaders aren't
attacking other countries and destroying the environment. Countries
where fear isn't being force-fed to you on a daily basis. It's a nice
life. I can't live here in the US (or overseas to a certain extent)
without worrying about what's happening here and how it's affecting the
world. Life *should* be enjoyed; I'm a firm believer in that.
>
> s
>
> > Laurie
karen
> Can we focus here? I'm concerned about Americans who can't seem to find
> 15 minutes to vote or an hour to find out what the candidates stand for,
> yet can find the time week after week to spend hours watching and
> discussing tv shows. I'm not suggesting that everyone should spend
> every waking hour being politically active. I'm simply concerned about
> and want to discuss the very real fact that less than half of Americans
> vote and far fewer spend any time concerned about what their president
> is doing, yet they seem to care more about who's getting "voted out" on
> their favorite tv show this week.
> It's a valid concern; you don't have to discuss it, but stop trying to
> make this into me insulting you.
>
> Laurie
its a valid concern, but imagine this...
not all that betters the world revolves around politics. can you even
imagine? i thought not.
perhaps not all americans want to vote for the sake of voting.
perhaps not all think its ok to vote for somebody
just because they are a little less of an idiot.
perhaps they choose to spend their free time in things other than fucking
politics, yet, may be doing ten times as much good for the world as you do
in all the hours you put in on the losers of the political world.
and you werent just insulting to her.
karen
>
> Sure, it's an escape from reality. That's the whole point. I think if
> people want to stop the Bush administration, they need to engage in
> reality a bit more, rather than reality-tv. Again, this applies to
> Americans, not so much Canadians; it is our government who is raping
> this world.
>
omfg...do you understand that people can watch tv AND still have a life?
> But I do disagree about music being the same as tv in that regard. I
> never heard of people becoming couch potatoes from listening to music.
> Rather, those who listen to music get out and go see live shows, dance,
> etc. >
ever hear of somebody sitting in a closet with headphones on listening to
music because they are
depressed and use the music to dig deep inside. kind of self medicating?
ever hear of listening to music to kick back and chill...to drift off to
sleep to?
now you have
> Didn't say you were. I'm talking about Americans in general who can't
> bother to take 15 minutes to vote.
>
how in the hell did you get that out of us watching the apprentice?
i could sit here and post all fucking day and still know about the idiot
candidates and go vote if i so chose.
watching tv or typing on here doesnt have jacktodo with voting
> Can we focus here?>
lol
dee
be a girl ill just adopt her out until i get a boy. then with my two boys
we will gather around ye old tv with our arms around each other and i will
be happy knowing somehow i didnt cause the worlds population to rise while
we wait for our daily dose of hope from approved left wing extremists. this
way it will be ok and queen laurie will smile on me if i watch a tv program
sometimes.
i also think me and my two boys will get a car like fred flintstone so we
dont pollute the environment. now, its not exactly what i would want to
drive, but i know laurie would like it, so i must do it.
of course my two boys would like pearl jam. i would even hang eddie vedder
pictures on their walls, naturally they would share a room and a bed as not
to waste resources. as part of their pearl jam fandom, we would take
weekend trips on a big fuel hungry plane just to watch eddie vedder videos
with our other likeminded shee i mean friends ... this wouldnt be polluting
the environment since its gripping and educational television, and laurie
would be proud.
anything so captain world here thinks my life is ok...
youre a fuckwit.
"evolutionbaby" <evolut...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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oshuns
> > > Sure, it's an escape from reality. That's the whole point. I think
if
> > > people want to stop the Bush administration, they need to engage in
> > > reality a bit more, rather than reality-tv.
> >
> > so watching the apprentice for one hour dictates that the viewer doesnt
want
> > to stop the bush administration? this is nonsense.
>
> Where did you get that? I just find it amazing that people can get so
> excited about a tv show, yet can't be bothered to take an interest in
> corporations taking over our country and our children getting killed.
you have no proof that one necessitates the other, at all. people just
arent as obsessed with it as you are. and thats fine for you. just dont
expect it of everyone. i find it amazing people can watch golf for hours
on end. but i wouldnt dare decide how that meant they felt about the world
around them, and what they cared about, and how much.
> Try to see the big picture here. I'm not talking about individuals
> here, and certainly not you. I'm talking about the fact that these
> shows are so popular and the direction of our country is so unpopular.
> How many people bother to watch a presidential debate compared to a
> popular tv show? That's what I object to.
as if this is something new? sports are a distraction. entertainment is a
distraction. music is a distraction. even the whole political debate crap
is a distraction from whats really going on in the world. watching a debate
on tv is as mind dulling as a reality show. it might be more important,
but not everyone is politically wired.
> Just like when John Lennon
> said the Beatles were more popular than Jesus, people got offended, I am
> offended that Americans in general care more about fictional characters
> on tv than about the reality of our president quietly staffing up the
> draft boards and preparing for the draft if he gets reelected.
how is that like what john lennon said? lennon was being tongue in cheek
and metaphoric, and everyone went crazy because they were too stupid and
uptight to get it. also, he was probably right, the reaction they were
getting in the states was manic, and americans would rather burn records
than admit that they were acting insanely.
and here is where you are offensive laurie: americans in general care more
about fictional characters than the reality of the president? thats saying
that if we partake in a non political pleasure then we dont give a shit
about the state of the world.
> What are you thoughts on this?
the political situation in your country is discouraging. a 'lesser of two
evils' scenario doesnt inspire everyone to inch their way ahead with third
party reps. some people drop out, and thats how id explain non-voting. it
has nothing to do with tv.
> > > Didn't say you were. I'm talking about Americans in general who can't
> > > bother to take 15 minutes to vote.
> >
> > youre saying that non voting americans are that way due to television
> > viewership. is that really what you want to be saying??
>
> Yes, I think tv and couch potatoism are related.
well there is no question to that, but thats not what you said. you said
that tv is directly related to non voting.
funny, i remember a pearl jam concert where eddie talks about the characters
on the sopranos....meadow fucked so and so. i guess he cares about some
fictional characters. i bet you remember it too. and yet, eddie manages to
care about politics, doesnt he? is he complacent and lazy and non voting?
will you tell me he is the exception to your rule, or will you admit that
your rule is shortsighted, judgemental and, as i stated before, completley
misguided and ridiculous.
> > its got nothing to do with me. you insulted everyone who likes to relax
in
> > front of the tv in america. and gave a 'nice life' comment to canadians
as
> > if its a nation clueless to reality.
>
> It was not a sarcastic comment. I am sincere in that; I have felt this
> way about other countries I've lived in. Countries whose leaders aren't
> attacking other countries and destroying the environment. Countries
> where fear isn't being force-fed to you on a daily basis. It's a nice
> life. I can't live here in the US (or overseas to a certain extent)
> without worrying about what's happening here and how it's affecting the
> world. Life *should* be enjoyed; I'm a firm believer in that.
then live and let live.
s
>
>
> >
> > s
> >
> > > Laurie
evolutionbaby
oshuns wrote:
>
> evolutionbaby <evolut...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:404BE3F0...@comcast.net...
> > Try to see the big picture here. I'm not talking about individuals
> > here, and certainly not you. I'm talking about the fact that these
> > shows are so popular and the direction of our country is so unpopular.
> > How many people bother to watch a presidential debate compared to a
> > popular tv show? That's what I object to.
>
> as if this is something new? sports are a distraction. entertainment is a
> distraction. music is a distraction. even the whole political debate crap
> is a distraction from whats really going on in the world. watching a debate
> on tv is as mind dulling as a reality show.
haha, good point.
> it might be more important,
> but not everyone is politically wired.
Yes, of course, some people simply aren't interested in politics as
entertainment. But people have a responsibility to take an interest in
what their country and their president is doing.
>
> > Just like when John Lennon
> > said the Beatles were more popular than Jesus, people got offended, I am
> > offended that Americans in general care more about fictional characters
> > on tv than about the reality of our president quietly staffing up the
> > draft boards and preparing for the draft if he gets reelected.
>
> how is that like what john lennon said? lennon was being tongue in cheek
> and metaphoric, and everyone went crazy because they were too stupid and
> uptight to get it. also, he was probably right, the reaction they were
> getting in the states was manic, and americans would rather burn records
> than admit that they were acting insanely.
Of course, he was right. The Beatles *were* more popular than Jesus at
the time in this country. That was offensive to people who thought that
Jesus *should* be more important than entertainment. I'm saying that
Bush preparing for a draft *should be* more important than entertainment
in this country. The phenomenon of people not caring, whether it's
innocent and okay as you suggest, or disastrous as I suggest, is exactly
*why* bush may get elected and get us into more wars and draft and kill
our children.
>
> and here is where you are offensive laurie: americans in general care more
> about fictional characters than the reality of the president? thats saying
> that if we partake in a non political pleasure then we dont give a shit
> about the state of the world.
No, saying that most Americans care more about tv than what's going on
in their country isn't the same as saying that if you partake in a non
political pleasure then you don't give a shit about the state of the
world. If half of Americans vote, I'm quite sure that half of Americans
*also* watch tv *and* care about the state of the world. It's those who
don't that I'm concerned about.
>
> > What are you thoughts on this?
>
> the political situation in your country is discouraging. a 'lesser of two
> evils' scenario doesnt inspire everyone to inch their way ahead with third
> party reps. some people drop out, and thats how id explain non-voting. it
> has nothing to do with tv.
The whole reason we get the "lesser of two evils" scenario is *because*
Americans don't get involved.
> funny, i remember a pearl jam concert where eddie talks about the characters
> on the sopranos....meadow fucked so and so. i guess he cares about some
> fictional characters. i bet you remember it too.
I think he was being sarcastic about that, in the same way I am. He
probably had to ask someone what has happened recently. He's making a
comment on popular culture and it's his way of connecting with people.
I don't remember what subject he launched into after that, but I suggest
it was something political.
> and yet, eddie manages to
> care about politics, doesnt he? is he complacent and lazy and non voting?
> will you tell me he is the exception to your rule, or will you admit that
> your rule is shortsighted, judgemental and, as i stated before, completley
> misguided and ridiculous.
Ah, but my rule isn't as you suggest. I'm not saying that anyone who
watches tv is complacent. It's the general trend of the increasing
importance of tv in peoples lives and the decreasing importance of
what's going on in the actual world which concerns me.
>
> > > its got nothing to do with me. you insulted everyone who likes to relax
> in
> > > front of the tv in america. and gave a 'nice life' comment to canadians
> as
> > > if its a nation clueless to reality.
> >
> > It was not a sarcastic comment. I am sincere in that; I have felt this
> > way about other countries I've lived in. Countries whose leaders aren't
> > attacking other countries and destroying the environment. Countries
> > where fear isn't being force-fed to you on a daily basis. It's a nice
> > life. I can't live here in the US (or overseas to a certain extent)
> > without worrying about what's happening here and how it's affecting the
> > world. Life *should* be enjoyed; I'm a firm believer in that.
>
> then live and let live.
And if following that advice gets us 4 more years of dubbya, more wars,
my son drafted? I can't live with the consequences; I will do
everything in my power to wake people up. There were so many people in
our Clark group who had never done volunteer work before in their lives,
but they are scared. I want to reach those people. Maybe you are not
among them, but there are plenty of complacent people out there.
Laurie
oshuns
>
>
> oshuns wrote:
> >
> > as if this is something new? sports are a distraction. entertainment
is a
> > distraction. music is a distraction. even the whole political debate
crap
> > is a distraction from whats really going on in the world. watching a
debate
> > on tv is as mind dulling as a reality show.
>
> haha, good point.
>
> > > said the Beatles were more popular than Jesus, people got offended, I
am
> > > offended that Americans in general care more about fictional
characters
> > > on tv than about the reality of our president quietly staffing up the
> > > draft boards and preparing for the draft if he gets reelected.
> >
> > how is that like what john lennon said? lennon was being tongue in
cheek
> > and metaphoric, and everyone went crazy because they were too stupid and
> > uptight to get it. also, he was probably right, the reaction they were
> > getting in the states was manic, and americans would rather burn records
> > than admit that they were acting insanely.
>
> Of course, he was right. The Beatles *were* more popular than Jesus at
> the time in this country. That was offensive to people who thought that
> Jesus *should* be more important than entertainment. I'm saying that
> Bush preparing for a draft *should be* more important than entertainment
> in this country. The phenomenon of people not caring, whether it's
> innocent and okay as you suggest, or disastrous as I suggest, is exactly
> *why* bush may get elected and get us into more wars and draft and kill
> our children.
well finally we can agree. of course it *should* be more important and it
is. but the president is a powerful man and can keep things on the downlow,
and the media is controlled to expose certain things while others are swept
under rugs.
putting the blame on prime time tv watchers doesnt do anything to solve
anything. chances are your tv audience is more knowledgeable on your
upcoming election due to news updates, flipping over to cnn and from
politicans showing up on talk shows and news shows.
there are MANY global atrocities that dont get spotlit, and it astounds me
how people carry on all la-di-da in some scenarios. but its their life,
not mine, to dictate. and i wont blame a person for enjoying themselves.
> > the political situation in your country is discouraging. a 'lesser of
two
> > evils' scenario doesnt inspire everyone to inch their way ahead with
third
> > party reps. some people drop out, and thats how id explain non-voting.
it
> > has nothing to do with tv.
>
> The whole reason we get the "lesser of two evils" scenario is *because*
> Americans don't get involved.
are you sure? isnt it because of lined pockets and big business and money
changing hands? americans learn that when they vote third party then the
greater of two evils gets into office. laurie, that whole election was a
joke, with the miscount in florida and all that bullshit. you cannot expect
american cynics to expect that a system so corrupt and disfunctional will
suddenly repair itself if they get involved. a lot of people have written
it all off as nonsense. maybe apathy is more dangerous, but its
understandable.
> > funny, i remember a pearl jam concert where eddie talks about the
characters
> > on the sopranos....meadow fucked so and so. i guess he cares about some
> > fictional characters. i bet you remember it too.
>
> I think he was being sarcastic about that, in the same way I am. He
> probably had to ask someone what has happened recently. He's making a
> comment on popular culture and it's his way of connecting with people.
> I don't remember what subject he launched into after that, but I suggest
> it was something political.
i didnt take him to be sarcastic, i think it was the season finale or season
opener and he was informing the crowd, the same way he has done with sports
scores (yet another non political distraction). i think he said how jeff
was watching before the show and he knew the crowd was missing the show to
be there. he was being funny, but i dont think he was being sarcastic. it
had nothing to do with politics. the point is, he is proof positive that
you can be involved in pop culture fluff and STILL be politcally involved
and active. and in your original post in this thread you suggested
otherwise.
s
evolutionbaby
oshuns wrote:
>
> evolutionbaby <evolut...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:404C9E55...@comcast.net...
>
> well finally we can agree. of course it *should* be more important and it
> is. but the president is a powerful man and can keep things on the downlow,
> and the media is controlled to expose certain things while others are swept
> under rugs.
>
> putting the blame on prime time tv watchers doesnt do anything to solve
> anything. chances are your tv audience is more knowledgeable on your
> upcoming election due to news updates, flipping over to cnn and from
> politicans showing up on talk shows and news shows.
Possibly, but don't most people watch prime time? And most people
certainly aren't knowledgable...
>
> there are MANY global atrocities that dont get spotlit, and it astounds me
> how people carry on all la-di-da in some scenarios. but its their life,
> not mine, to dictate. and i wont blame a person for enjoying themselves.
One should always enjoy themself... Just a little attention to what is
going on in the world is all I ask... and again, this is not directed at
you, but the half of all Americans who don't vote.
> > The whole reason we get the "lesser of two evils" scenario is *because*
> > Americans don't get involved.
>
> are you sure? isnt it because of lined pockets and big business and money
> changing hands? americans learn that when they vote third party then the
> greater of two evils gets into office. laurie, that whole election was a
> joke, with the miscount in florida and all that bullshit. you cannot expect
> american cynics to expect that a system so corrupt and disfunctional will
> suddenly repair itself if they get involved. a lot of people have written
> it all off as nonsense. maybe apathy is more dangerous, but its
> understandable.
I think that's just an excuse to feel good about doing what lazy people
already are going to do. The reason I think lack of involvement is
responsible for them getting away with things like that, is that
Moveon.org has shown how involved people *can* make a difference, and
two, we had a great man, a non-politician running for president who
could lead us out of these messes. But people voted for Kerry because
they knew his name and couldn't be bothered to spend an hour to find out
about the other candidates. It's just sad. And while Kerry is
certainly better than dubbya, it's politics as usual, with Kerry sitting
on both sides of the issues, instead of leading people. So the game goes
on, and people will say "Kerry is the lesser of two evils, and I'm not
gonna bother to vote." If they'd bothered to find out in the primary
about a candidate in whom they could believe, and support that
candidate, this wouldn't have happened.
> i didnt take him to be sarcastic, i think it was the season finale or season
> opener and he was informing the crowd, the same way he has done with sports
> scores (yet another non political distraction). i think he said how jeff
> was watching before the show and he knew the crowd was missing the show to
> be there. he was being funny, but i dont think he was being sarcastic. it
> had nothing to do with politics. the point is, he is proof positive that
> you can be involved in pop culture fluff and STILL be politcally involved
> and active. and in your original post in this thread you suggested
> otherwise.
I'd like to find that again and listen to it. My impression was that it
was more like his "Jewel" rant where he was making fun of popular
culture. You could be right, though. Anyone remember where he said
that?
Laurie
oshuns
>
> One should always enjoy themself... Just a little attention to what is
> going on in the world is all I ask... and again, this is not directed at
> you, but the half of all Americans who don't vote.
but laurie, you directed your diatribe at pearl jam fans who were enjoying
an episode of the apprentice, NOT at half of all americans who dont vote.
see now how your comments were misplaced??
> > > The whole reason we get the "lesser of two evils" scenario is
*because*
> > > Americans don't get involved.
> >
> > are you sure? isnt it because of lined pockets and big business and
money
> > changing hands? americans learn that when they vote third party then
the
> > greater of two evils gets into office. laurie, that whole election was a
> > joke, with the miscount in florida and all that bullshit. you cannot
expect
> > american cynics to expect that a system so corrupt and disfunctional
will
> > suddenly repair itself if they get involved. a lot of people have
written
> > it all off as nonsense. maybe apathy is more dangerous, but its
> > understandable.
>
> I think that's just an excuse to feel good about doing what lazy people
> already are going to do.
the assumption that people dont vote out of sheer laziness is just
that....assumptive. id say it has much more with the actual political realm
than youre ready to admit. i bet most people dont vote or spoil their
ballots as a statement in and of itself, not just so they can sleep in or
watch jerry springer. and again, maybe its an apathetic approach, or a
silent and useless protest. but people shouldnt be forced to participate
in a system in which they dont believe and have zero faith. and i
understand how americans might just be that jaded at this point in history.
your political system needs a serious flushing and remodeling.
> > i didnt take him to be sarcastic, i think it was the season finale or
season
> > opener and he was informing the crowd, the same way he has done with
sports
> > scores (yet another non political distraction). i think he said how
jeff
> > was watching before the show and he knew the crowd was missing the show
to
> > be there. he was being funny, but i dont think he was being sarcastic.
it
> > had nothing to do with politics. the point is, he is proof positive
that
> > you can be involved in pop culture fluff and STILL be politcally
involved
> > and active. and in your original post in this thread you suggested
> > otherwise.
>
> I'd like to find that again and listen to it. My impression was that it
> was more like his "Jewel" rant where he was making fun of popular
> culture. You could be right, though. Anyone remember where he said
> that?
ive only listened to that show ten thousand times. of course, i have
absolutely no idea which show it came from. i want to say an early 2000 tour
show...possibly vancouver? not sure. get back to me if you find it.
s
>
> Laurie
evolutionbaby
oshuns wrote:
>
> evolutionbaby <evolut...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:404CF126...@comcast.net...
> >
> > One should always enjoy themself... Just a little attention to what is
> > going on in the world is all I ask... and again, this is not directed at
> > you, but the half of all Americans who don't vote.
>
> but laurie, you directed your diatribe at pearl jam fans who were enjoying
> an episode of the apprentice, NOT at half of all americans who dont vote.
> see now how your comments were misplaced??
No, I made a comment about Canadians having the luxury to obsess about
tv shows, because their country wasn't going to hell in a hand basket,
in a thread where Canadians were discussing a tv show... And people took
offense. Misguided, perhaps, but not misplaced...
> > I think that's just an excuse to feel good about doing what lazy people
> > already are going to do.
>
> the assumption that people dont vote out of sheer laziness is just
> that....assumptive. id say it has much more with the actual political realm
> than youre ready to admit. i bet most people dont vote or spoil their
> ballots as a statement in and of itself, not just so they can sleep in or
> watch jerry springer. and again, maybe its an apathetic approach, or a
> silent and useless protest. but people shouldnt be forced to participate
> in a system in which they dont believe and have zero faith. and i
> understand how americans might just be that jaded at this point in history.
> your political system needs a serious flushing and remodeling.
Hey, if you are disillusioned, by all means, go and cast a blank ballot
or vote for Mickey Mouse. But go. Don't just sit on the fucking couch
watching tv and complaining about politicians, blah, blah, blah...
> > I'd like to find that again and listen to it. My impression was that it
> > was more like his "Jewel" rant where he was making fun of popular
> > culture. You could be right, though. Anyone remember where he said
> > that?
>
> ive only listened to that show ten thousand times. of course, i have
> absolutely no idea which show it came from. i want to say an early 2000 tour
> show...possibly vancouver? not sure. get back to me if you find it.
I don't think I've listened to Vancouver... but how about Saratoga? I
know it's one of your favorites...
Laurie
oshuns
>
>
> oshuns wrote:
> >
> > evolutionbaby <evolut...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:404CF126...@comcast.net...
> > >
> > > One should always enjoy themself... Just a little attention to what is
> > > going on in the world is all I ask... and again, this is not directed
at
> > > you, but the half of all Americans who don't vote.
> >
> > but laurie, you directed your diatribe at pearl jam fans who were
enjoying
> > an episode of the apprentice, NOT at half of all americans who dont
vote.
> > see now how your comments were misplaced??
>
> No, I made a comment about Canadians having the luxury to obsess about
> tv shows, because their country wasn't going to hell in a hand basket,
> in a thread where Canadians were discussing a tv show... And people took
> offense. Misguided, perhaps, but not misplaced...
yeah.
a) me and vin are the only canadians who discuss that show. everyone else
is from the US as far as i know. in here i mean.
b) everyone with a tv and the desire to turn it on has the luxury to talk
about tv shows.
> > > I think that's just an excuse to feel good about doing what lazy
people
> > > already are going to do.
> >
> > the assumption that people dont vote out of sheer laziness is just
> > that....assumptive. id say it has much more with the actual political
realm
> > than youre ready to admit. i bet most people dont vote or spoil their
> > ballots as a statement in and of itself, not just so they can sleep in
or
> > watch jerry springer. and again, maybe its an apathetic approach, or a
> > silent and useless protest. but people shouldnt be forced to
participate
> > in a system in which they dont believe and have zero faith. and i
> > understand how americans might just be that jaded at this point in
history.
> > your political system needs a serious flushing and remodeling.
>
> Hey, if you are disillusioned, by all means, go and cast a blank ballot
> or vote for Mickey Mouse. But go. Don't just sit on the fucking couch
> watching tv and complaining about politicians, blah, blah, blah...
thats what you would do. thats not what everyone do. some people might be so
offended by the system at this point that they just refuse to partake in it.
and yes, its come to that. im sure for every lazy non voter, you have a
handful of disillusioned non voters. maybe someone should create a 'FUCK
THIS i want a total structural upheaval of government' ticket that would
bring those people out.
> > > I'd like to find that again and listen to it. My impression was that
it
> > > was more like his "Jewel" rant where he was making fun of popular
> > > culture. You could be right, though. Anyone remember where he said
> > > that?
> >
> > ive only listened to that show ten thousand times. of course, i have
> > absolutely no idea which show it came from. i want to say an early 2000
tour
> > show...possibly vancouver? not sure. get back to me if you find it.
>
> I don't think I've listened to Vancouver... but how about Saratoga? I
> know it's one of your favorites...
definitely not. it wasnt at a show i was at.
s
>
> Laurie