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Monkeys need Lovin

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Feb 23, 2003, 10:29:01 PM2/23/03
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For this tour, did they pick the rejects from American Idol to open for them?


jungle love......

Brian (aka Zod)

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Feb 23, 2003, 11:15:37 PM2/23/03
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meh.... i don't think its just pearl jam.... out of the shitload of headlining
bands i've seen in my lifetime.. most of the time i find the opening bands to be
shite :)

i've always contributed it too either

a) giving the underdog a chance
b) letting a friends band play
c) picking a band that doesn't have a remote chance of upstaging you :)

- Brian

Jeweltoo

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Feb 24, 2003, 12:08:43 AM2/24/03
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I was hoping that Sleater-Kinnney would have opened all the U.S. shows. Now,
they would have not upstaged the band but they are excellent, imo.

Carl

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Feb 24, 2003, 12:15:05 AM2/24/03
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<<<I was hoping that Sleater-Kinnney would have opened all the U.S. shows.
Now, they would have not upstaged the band but they are excellent, imo. >>>

Jade!!! You posted!!!
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CjS
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Henry Rollins
::SIGH::



Drago

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Feb 24, 2003, 12:50:07 AM2/24/03
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"Monkeys need Lovin" <gorill...@aol.comape> wrote in message
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> For this tour, did they pick the rejects from American Idol to open for
them?
>

They like to pick lesser known bands, many of which are not
"Pearl-Jam-Type-Bands". It can be good, but it usually is a letdown. I
forget who my bands are, Columbus and Pittsburgh?

-=john=-


Jonas

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Feb 24, 2003, 12:53:43 AM2/24/03
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"Drago" quoth:

I know it's Sparta for Pittsburgh, I think it'll be the Buzzcocks by
Columbus.

--
Jonas

World has come undone,
Like to change it everyday,
Change don't come at once,
It's a wave, Building...


Holly Kristine Jones

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Feb 24, 2003, 1:45:32 AM2/24/03
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"Brian (aka Zod)" <bria...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> meh.... i don't think its just pearl jam.... out of the shitload of
headlining
> bands i've seen in my lifetime.. most of the time i find the opening bands
to be
> shite :)

Hear, hear!

> i've always contributed it too either
>
> a) giving the underdog a chance
> b) letting a friends band play
> c) picking a band that doesn't have a remote chance of upstaging you :)

And then, there's always the possibility that sometimes I just want to get
the real party started, and don't care *who* the hell is up there, they'd
just better get *off* of there as quickly as possible.

Holly, who really likes shows without openers.

np: Radiohead: Let Down

Dan

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Feb 24, 2003, 5:06:37 AM2/24/03
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"Jonas" <msch...@rochester.rantingraving.com> wrote in message news:<Hri6a.102483$Xr1.26...@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...

> "Drago" quoth:
> >
> > "Monkeys need Lovin" <gorill...@aol.comape> wrote in message
> > news:20030223222901...@mb-fv.aol.com...
> > > For this tour, did they pick the rejects from American Idol to open for
> them?
> > >
> >


You must be kidding. How about X? Bad Religion? Ben Harper?

Dan

Mirella

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Feb 24, 2003, 5:21:41 AM2/24/03
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On 24 Feb 2003 02:06:37 -0800, maxu...@aol.com (Dan) wrote:

>You must be kidding. How about X? Bad Religion? Ben Harper?

just look at my site in the opening bands/special guests section... I
love most of those bands.

groetjes,
Mirella :)
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<http://pearljam.start4all.com> (International)<http://pearljam.startkabel.nl> (Nederlands)

Carl

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Feb 24, 2003, 12:49:56 PM2/24/03
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<<<How about X?>>>

X opened for Pearl Jam?

Carl

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Feb 24, 2003, 12:49:31 PM2/24/03
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<<<And then, there's always the possibility that sometimes I just want to get
the real party started, and don't care *who* the hell is up there, they'd
just better get *off* of there as quickly as possible.

Holly, who really likes shows without openers.>>>

Thats kinda sad cause i have seen shows where opening bands have inspired me to
buy their records. Bad Religion comes to mind... i am a huge fan of them now.
Hell, i have been to shows to see the opening band and not the headliner
before. The most music for my money i say... Whats the rush so we can get home
and watch more tv? i am confused.

sheri

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Feb 24, 2003, 1:02:41 PM2/24/03
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"Carl" <myday...@aol.comChaka> wrote in message
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> <<<And then, there's always the possibility that sometimes I just want to
get
> the real party started, and don't care *who* the hell is up there, they'd
> just better get *off* of there as quickly as possible.
>
> Holly, who really likes shows without openers.>>>
>
> Thats kinda sad cause i have seen shows where opening bands have inspired
me to
> buy their records. Bad Religion comes to mind... i am a huge fan of them
now.
> Hell, i have been to shows to see the opening band and not the headliner
> before. The most music for my money i say... Whats the rush so we can get
home
> and watch more tv? i am confused.


not only that but every band, at one point, was an opening act. bring on the
openers!

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sheri


sheri

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Feb 24, 2003, 1:03:00 PM2/24/03
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"Carl" <myday...@aol.comChaka> wrote in message
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> <<<How about X?>>>
>
> X opened for Pearl Jam?


yeah, in 1998.

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sheri


Holly Kristine Jones

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Feb 24, 2003, 1:03:11 PM2/24/03
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"Carl" <myday...@aol.comChaka> wrote in message
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> Holly, who really likes shows without openers.>>>
>
> Thats kinda sad cause i have seen shows where opening bands have inspired
me to
> buy their records. Bad Religion comes to mind... i am a huge fan of them
now.
> Hell, i have been to shows to see the opening band and not the headliner
> before. The most music for my money i say... Whats the rush so we can get
home
> and watch more tv? i am confused.

Well, if you *like* the opening bands, maybe you are getting more for your
money. I've never seen a show where I've been just blown away by the
opening act. If I want to learn about new bands, I'd rather go to small
clubs and pay $5 to see four new bands. That's more music for your money if
you're not concerned about quality. Also, for me, it's not getting home to
watch more tv. I had to come home after a great Tori Amos concert last
night (again, with a mediocre opening act) and read for class today. Sadly
enough, some of us are busy and do have to value their time, even if it's
that hour that Joe Blow is up on stage opening. It's hard enough for me to
find enough free time to go to shows as it is. There's no TV watching in my
life. :)

Also, I've actually seen shows where the actual headline acts would have
played longer if not for the opening artists, and the shows I've been to
without opening acts have gone for a VERY long time. I saw Elton John and
George Clinton both with no openers, and they all played for 3 hours (George
Clinton was actually being 'run out of the venue' during a 20 minute Atomic
Dog closer because they turned the house lights on). Last night, Tori
played for 2 hours but had an hour-long opener. So I got three hours worth
of music both ways, but with no opener, it was 3 hours worth of the artist I
came to see.

Holly

Carl

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Feb 24, 2003, 1:02:48 PM2/24/03
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<<<not only that but every band, at one point, was an opening act. bring on the
openers!>>>

Indeed.. holly would have been bored to tears at Chili Peppers show that year
waiting through those terrible Pearl Jam and Smashing Pumpkins bands. =)

Carl

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Feb 24, 2003, 1:03:44 PM2/24/03
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<<<yeah, in 1998.>>>

Im amazed they were still together then. with Xcene Cervenka the whole group?

Billy Zoom is in another band now... that much i know.

Holly Kristine Jones

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Feb 24, 2003, 1:09:38 PM2/24/03
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"Carl" <myday...@aol.comChaka> wrote in message
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> <<<not only that but every band, at one point, was an opening act. bring
on the
> openers!>>>
>
> Indeed.. holly would have been bored to tears at Chili Peppers show that
year
> waiting through those terrible Pearl Jam and Smashing Pumpkins bands. =)

Um, yeah, there are exceptions, thanks. I just don't tend to go to the
shows that have them. The Chili Peppers always have openers that are as
good or better than they are. Pearl Jam and Tori Amos don't. I don't
understand why this always ends up being a big deal, though. I promise you,
I'm not going to change the format of rock shows. I'm not *that person* who
talks and acts rude during the openers. I'm not even that person who
*skips* the openers. They get my money either way. But when it comes down
to it, if someone asks me whether I enjoyed the opening act, every single
time, the answer has always been NO. I'm there to see Pearl Jam or I'm
there to see Tori Amos. It's like having to eat the dinner to get to the
dessert. I want my dessert first.

Holly

Vin

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Feb 24, 2003, 1:07:13 PM2/24/03
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>Thats kinda sad cause i have seen shows where opening bands have inspired me
to
>buy their records. Bad Religion comes to mind... i am a huge fan of them now.
>Hell, i have been to shows to see the opening band and not the headliner
>before. The most music for my money i say... Whats the rush so we can get
home
>and watch more tv? i am confused.

i've seen i don't know how many shows, and of all of them i've seen two
good opening bands, a perfect circle for nin, and buckethead for primus.
i already had apc's album and they were a big part in my being there,
i bought a buckethead album after i saw him and let everything sink in.

the rest sucked. there's nothing worse than having to hear music
that isn't good or that you don't like. its much more annoying when
its 120 decibels and even worse when you gotta sit though 45 minutes of it.

i'm very selective of what bands are worth my time in a live environment,
because most bands are simply not worth seeing live. example, coldplay.
sure, their albums are ok, they've got some good songs, but i would
never want to sit through two hours of them in an arena, i can't
even sit through half an album in the comfort of my living room.
i would be bored out of my mind. its just not music that needs to
be heard live.

Vin

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Feb 24, 2003, 1:09:58 PM2/24/03
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>Also, I've actually seen shows where the actual headline acts would have
>played longer if not for the opening artists, and the shows I've been to
>without opening acts have gone for a VERY long time. I saw Elton John and
>George Clinton both with no openers, and they all played for 3 hours (George
>Clinton was actually being 'run out of the venue' during a 20 minute Atomic
>Dog closer because they turned the house lights on). Last night, Tori
>played for 2 hours but had an hour-long opener. So I got three hours worth
>of music both ways, but with no opener, it was 3 hours worth of the artist I
>came to see.

opener or not i highly doubt that tori would have played a three hour
set. three hour sets are -very- rare and its not because of opening bands..


Vin

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Feb 24, 2003, 1:13:11 PM2/24/03
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><<<not only that but every band, at one point, was an opening act. bring on
the
>openers!>>>
>
>Indeed.. holly would have been bored to tears at Chili Peppers show that year
>waiting through those terrible Pearl Jam and Smashing Pumpkins bands. =)

oh yeah, because that happens often.

Holly Kristine Jones

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Feb 24, 2003, 1:17:03 PM2/24/03
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"Vin" <m...@shoes.hurt> wrote in message
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> the rest sucked. there's nothing worse than having to hear music
> that isn't good or that you don't like. its much more annoying when
> its 120 decibels and even worse when you gotta sit though 45 minutes of
it.

Exactly. I think of it as going on a road trip with someone who listens to
music you hate. Maybe 'they' should put the 'opening' acts at the end.
Then if you want to get that extra shot of music, it's there for you.
Everyone else can go home high on the artist they actually wanted to see.
Or, hell, if you're going to try to put openers with an artist, at least get
something that is slightly similar to the band up there. Sleater-Kinney is
nothing like Pearl Jam, so the expectation that we're all going to be happy
with them is a little far-fetched. Jeffrey Gaines was nothing like Tori
Amos. Etc.

As for the comment that all big bands were once openers, there's also the
fact that all big bands start out playing small venues by themselves, too.
So when given the choice between going to something that is regulated and
somewhat 'formal' where I'm assigned a seat and I have to sit there/stand
there for an hour and listen to a band I don't really like. or where I can
go to a small venue that is more informal where I can walk around and just
enjoy myself and leave when/if I want, I choose the latter. It doesn't make
me a music retard, it makes me a selective observer.

Holly

sheri

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Feb 24, 2003, 2:54:39 PM2/24/03
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"Holly Kristine Jones" <hjo...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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you're far from a music tard, holly...i don't think anyone was suggesting
that. if you like shows without openers, that's certainly your prerogative.
i don't enjoy every opening act i see and i'm most definitely there for the
headliner, but i do welcome the opportunity of possibly discovering a great
band.

and i don't know if you know this or not, but sleater-kinney is back on for
nashville. i hope amsouth doesn't make you sit or stand for their set. :P

--
sheri


sheri

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Feb 24, 2003, 2:56:30 PM2/24/03
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"Carl" <myday...@aol.comChaka> wrote in message
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> <<<yeah, in 1998.>>>
>
> Im amazed they were still together then. with Xcene Cervenka the whole
group?
>
> Billy Zoom is in another band now... that much i know.


i'm not sure, i just remember them playing a few of the cali shows.

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sheri


Holly Kristine Jones

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Feb 24, 2003, 3:09:25 PM2/24/03
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"sheri" <nois...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> you're far from a music tard, holly...i don't think anyone was suggesting

Aww, thanks. And I know no one suggested that, because you guys are all
nice like that. ;) Anyway, I just wanted to note that I *don't* hate small
bands, I just prefer to experience them in a more open and relaxed setting
where, if I don't like them, I don't feel like I'm making such an investment
to their act.

> and i don't know if you know this or not, but sleater-kinney is back on
for
> nashville. i hope amsouth doesn't make you sit or stand for their set. :P

Yar. I was hoping that all of the ads were just typos. Oh well. My
boyfriend likes S-K, so I'll just bring my very discreet headphones and
politely opt out. :)

Holly

Dan

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Feb 24, 2003, 8:36:21 PM2/24/03
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"sheri" <nois...@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:<b3dt64$1km7ek$1...@ID-180018.news.dfncis.de>...

I think they had just reformed. They were fantastic.

Dan

Jett Karma

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Feb 24, 2003, 10:17:43 PM2/24/03
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"Brian (aka Zod)" <bria...@shaw.ca> did proclaim:

>meh.... i don't think its just pearl jam.... out of the shitload of headlining
>bands i've seen in my lifetime.. most of the time i find the opening bands to be
>shite :)
>
>i've always contributed it too either
>
>a) giving the underdog a chance
>b) letting a friends band play
>c) picking a band that doesn't have a remote chance of upstaging you :)
>
>- Brian

**********************************************************************
#1 reason (maybe reversible with #2)....they're inexpensive.

#2 reason, they like the band.

--Jett

Eddie Hill

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Feb 25, 2003, 1:42:59 PM2/25/03
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"Carl" <myday...@aol.comChaka> wrote in message
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> <<<I was hoping that Sleater-Kinnney would have opened all the U.S. shows.
> Now, they would have not upstaged the band but they are excellent, imo.
>>>
>
> Jade!!! You posted!!!

speaking of, i picked up the sleater-kinney cd the other day. the new one.
i checked out some mp3s and i like them, so i moved on.. and.. i really,
really like it. really. a lot.

eddie

Eddie Hill

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Feb 25, 2003, 2:47:49 PM2/25/03
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"sheri" <nois...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> and i don't know if you know this or not, but sleater-kinney is back on
for
> nashville.

whooohoooooo!!!!

eddie

sheri

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"Eddie Hill" <eddieg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Carl" <myday...@aol.comChaka> wrote in message
> news:20030224001505...@mb-bj.aol.com...
> > <<<I was hoping that Sleater-Kinnney would have opened all the U.S.
shows.
> > Now, they would have not upstaged the band but they are excellent, imo.
> >>>
> >
> > Jade!!! You posted!!!
>
> speaking of, i picked up the sleater-kinney cd the other day. the new
one.
> i checked out some mp3s and i like them, so i moved on.. and.. i really,
> really like it. really. a lot.


me too! they're going to be fun. :)

--
sheri


D Burba

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Feb 26, 2003, 1:01:18 AM2/26/03
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I saw the latest incarnation of GnR in Chicago last fall, and the two
openers were just terrible. One, CKY, is supposedly a decent band, but the
night I saw them they were noisy, rude, and wouldn't shut up about their
girlfriends' head-giving abilities. Then came some DJ, who proceeded to
spin for, oh, nine hours. The only time anyone cheered was when he put on
"Whole Lotta Love," but the cheers turned to boos when he started messing
around with it. Totally de-energized the crowd for what turned out to be a
great show.

"Monkeys need Lovin" <gorill...@aol.comape> wrote in message
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> For this tour, did they pick the rejects from American Idol to open for
them?
>
>

> jungle love......


GoBucky1

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Feb 26, 2003, 10:32:12 AM2/26/03
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Totally agreed. I was at that show as well, and he picked the wrong acts. The
crowd was bored and pissed during both sets.
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