NY Daily News Ed & Beth glib
jays...@webtv.net
Surveillance
Are Eddie Vedder and wife Beth Liebling still making music together?
The Pearl Jam front man and Liebling, who plays with the Seattle band
Hovercraft, may be rocky rather than rocking, we hear. Not that Vedder
is lonesome. Word is that among his favorite fans is a certain Elite
model. Reps for Vedder and Elite declined to comment...
Eddie Hill
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> NOOOOOOOO!!!!! Not a model! Say it ain't so,
say it ain't so!
it ain't so !
:)
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world.
will
beth broke up and it got in the wrong hands and it just snowballed from
there. Do we beleive everything that we read????? especially on the
internet???
cmon guys.....we are better than this.
Will
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Alessiana
ach, if its true... we'll never hear satan's bed again.
g
bed...:(
"Alessiana" <NOSPAMal...@home.com> wrote in message
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21st century analog boy
>bed...:(
>
im not gonna get involved with the ed and beth threads cause they arent my
business but the above statement is just a bit selfish..............if its all
true i think satans bed is not the major concern for the parties
involved..........look at the big picture....................peace and
love...........joe
"you know taken out of context i must seem so strange"
-ani difranco, firedoor
Roadhouse Blues
>> Surveillance
>>
>> Are Eddie Vedder and wife Beth Liebling still making music together?
>> The Pearl Jam front man and Liebling, who plays with the Seattle band
>> Hovercraft, may be rocky rather than rocking, we hear. Not that Vedder
>> is lonesome. Word is that among his favorite fans is a certain Elite
>> model. Reps for Vedder and Elite declined to comment...
>>
>
After all these years, is he finally sleeping in Satan's bed?
g
But I really don't think it's our place to speculate on who's feeling
what....
The only thing I feel comfortable commenting on is how it affects us...I in
no way mean to suggest that that's the most important thing.
"21st century analog boy" <jsoc...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Alessiana
wants to speculate pointlessly about the music that will be written in the
future. its not meant to be callow.
my noooooooo remark was regarding the fact that i love the song.
obviously this is painful for all involved and i can only wish eddie and
beth the best, be they together or apart. and if ed HAS found someone and
they happen to do this for a living, one can only assume that he's learned
something.
Alessiana
news:39d77724...@news-server.optonline.net...
maybe he LEARNED something? i have no idea if its true or not, but if
true... i'm sure she'd a damn cool lady.
will
capital of the world"?? hmmm.......
<jays...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> According to NY Daily News - here is the small glib I found:
>
LRM
some interesting points... (and what's a glib? I thought they were called
blurbs...)
Satan's Bed...'the quote' from Randall's Island...it seems as thought the
millenium has brought about a few changes of heart in EV. Or is he merely
being...human?
Please do not take this to be accusatory to anyone specific or an insult,
but in the PJ community there are a lot of fans who want to canonize
Ed...while I agree the man writes beautiful, thought provoking lyrics and is
very much a modern day poet; while I agree that often times his interviews
are just chock full of sly wit and introspective intelligence, there is
an...obsession...among some hardcore fans with his words. People make tapes
and publish fanzines and sign off email and newsgroup posts a thousand times
a day with Eddie Vedder quotes. Imagine if your words over the past 10
years had been so scrutinized; and imagine being expected to live out and
live up to everything you ever said. Do Billy Corgan and Thom Yorke have
their words dissected like this? Michael Stipe? I know there are uberfans
of those musicians in this n/g...enlighten me.
It makes me think of Ani Difranco, and how her life and lifestyle have
changed through the years, which I feel is directly reflected in her lyrics.
I think she faced a bit of that same thing -- things she sang so
passionately about 10 years ago aren't necessarily the things she'd write
about today, yet her audience wants her to be that person they met before.
The idealist, the rebel, the lover, the warrior. Qualities perhaps
associated with youth? Like Ani, has Eddie simply grown up and left us
wishing for their youthful selves?
The thing about the Beth and Ed separation (and yes, that part I DO believe)
that makes me sad is that it's yet another example of how difficult marriage
can be and how even with the best intentions, sometimes it just doesn't
work. Maybe it's because my sister is going through a separation herself
that it hits close to home, but I'd like to believe that any words
referencing Beth that came from Ed in the form of lyrics in the past were
just as honest at that time as anything he has said recently about love,
politics, or humanity.
Ed's disgust in Satan's Bed, IMO, was directed at that model/rock star
cliche -- I believe models would come up to him and expect him to be
interested because of his occupation and theirs. He was also clearly WITH
someone else. I don't know if he's dating a model or not, but the irony is
amusing , you have to admit. maybe Ed's finally had to accept that if you
are Eddie Vedder, you are going to meet more models because you are going to
be in more places where models are hanging around and might be the only
women you have to pick from. ha ha ha. Or maybe, given EV's passive
aggressive nature, it's a message to someone. Personal. Whatever it is,
I'm sure he's aware.
(And re: the Randall's Island quote...thank GOD they didn't quit. It would
have been such a bad way to end their careers with PJ.)
Just my .02.
LeAnn
21st century analog boy
>no way mean to suggest that that's the most important thing.
fair enough, my apologies............peace and love...............joe
21st century analog boy
> its not meant to be callow.
oh sheesh now i need a dictionary =)
>my noooooooo remark was regarding the fact that i love the song.
as i stated in my last post to this thread, my apologies..........i didnt take
the posts the right way..........satans bed is a great song i will agree, my
apologies if i offended you, it wasnt meant with malice i assure
you................peace and love....................joe
LuvsEDVed
anyone see the supermodels on the side of the stage in Boston?
JettKarma
>
>
>>> Surveillance
>>>
>>> Are Eddie Vedder and wife Beth Liebling still making music together?
>>> The Pearl Jam front man and Liebling, who plays with the Seattle band
>>> Hovercraft, may be rocky rather than rocking, we hear. Not that Vedder
>>> is lonesome. Word is that among his favorite fans is a certain Elite
>>> model. Reps for Vedder and Elite declined to comment...
>>>
>>
>After all these years, is he finally sleeping in Satan's bed?
************************************************
Well, people who go on about things the loudest are usually the most
tempted. It's kinda like those guys who go on about the "queers"
they see everywhere. :))
Oh, well. Kind of a sickening thought, if true (which I'm willing to
wager it is)--but, things could be worse. I mean, Eddie could have
decided to ditch PJ and become a panty model himself, I guess.
Well...maybe that *wouldn't* be worse....
lol!!
--Jett
JettKarma
******************************************
Astute observations, all. :) I don't think models are the only
people Ed has to pick from, though. Your passive/aggressive
observation is probably hits the mark.
Also, I think after a while you just start to become a role. Ed's
obviously becoming more accepting of himself as a rock star through
the years, and he's probably behaving more like one as time goes by.
It happens to everyone, in their own way. The non-corporate person
who ends up working for the world's biggest corporations, etc. It
seems to me that quite often you dislike and fear some condition the
most because your mind's eye recognizes the future--so you figure
you're going, but kicking and screaming the whole way. <g> Maybe some
of us feel that if we just scream loud enough about some fate or
another, we can somehow avoid it. Doesn't usually work out that way,
though.
--Jett
RiaRose2
cant imagine ed goin out on beth...i do believe in the separation thing...but
the model thing...NO WAY...ed's better than that...but who knows
Laurie Hester
out with. Perhaps in self defense, he'll have to let his separation become
"official".
Laurie
WJLP
<jays...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> According to NY Daily News - here is the small glib I found:
>
Shannon
>
>Yeah, who cares who he goes out with? What does it matter if it's a
>model or a cashier at KMart? It doesn't affect his convictions or
>anything like that as far as I see. He meets a nice model, they hit it
>off. Would anyone say anything if it was an actress? Say that Garafalo
>(sp?) chick...
I for one don't care. But people *are* going to jump on it, mostly
because of that song.
--
Shannon
"Sing loud cause its outside.
Sing loud cause you're still alive.
Just sing loud." Eddie Vedder, Virginia Beach 2000
in dreams I walk with you
> Well, people who go on about things the loudest
are usually the most
> tempted. It's kinda like those guys who go on
about the "queers"
> they see everywhere. :))
Been watching American Beauty have we Jett ?
:)
And what an exeptional movie it is !
Can't wait to finally get it on dvd.
Just a couple more weeks.
Sam Morris
Hmmm...I wonder just what precisely what you mean by that. Though, I do
know a couple of people who would agree with you. Whatever...I heard
this rumour about three weeks before this post got started. I'm
speaking in a second-hand way, so what I've heard isn't important...but
if what I've heard is anywhere near true (and I hope it's not)...I'm
glad for him/(maybe Beth too). Shit happens...just so you don't get
stuck in it.
-Sam
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blues02
Laurie Hester <laurie...@home.com> wrote:
> That's what bothers me about this. If they are separated, who cares
who he goes
> out with. Perhaps in self defense, he'll have to let his separation
become
> "official".
Yeah, who cares who he goes out with? What does it matter if it's a
model or a cashier at KMart? It doesn't affect his convictions or
anything like that as far as I see. He meets a nice model, they hit it
off. Would anyone say anything if it was an actress? Say that Garafalo
(sp?) chick...
--
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jontu...@my-deja.com
"g" <g...@home.com> wrote:
> I had the same thought...IF it's true (a BIG if, imo), no more Satan's
> bed...:(
>
> news:0lKB5.18017$rQ5.3...@news1.rdc1.md.home.com...
> > nooooooooooooooooooo
> >
> > ach, if its true... we'll never hear satan's bed again.
I would've bet we would never hear that again even if I hadn't heard
this rumor.
I know - it sucks... thank god for old recordings!
Jon
Ishmaelape
> I would've bet we would never hear that again even if I hadn't heard
> this rumor.
Spike
> >
> After all these years, is he finally sleeping in Satan's bed?
>
Good one!!!!!!!!!!!! I doubt it though...........
Tracey A. Kerr
blues02 wrote:
> In article <39D7A92A...@home.com>,
> Laurie Hester <laurie...@home.com> wrote:
> > That's what bothers me about this. If they are separated, who cares
> who he goes
> > out with. Perhaps in self defense, he'll have to let his separation
> become
> > "official".
>
> Yeah, who cares who he goes out with? What does it matter if it's a
> model or a cashier at KMart? It doesn't affect his convictions or
> anything like that as far as I see. He meets a nice model, they hit it
> off. Would anyone say anything if it was an actress? Say that Garafalo
> (sp?) chick...
>
>
To me the model thing is a question of character. I refuse the believe its
true until we hear it from Ed (which we probably won't either way).
Now Jeanane Garafalo...that would be too awesome. :)
-Tracey
JettKarma
>"JettKarma" <myst...@mindspring.com> wrote :
>> Well, people who go on about things the loudest
>are usually the most
>> tempted. It's kinda like those guys who go on
>about the "queers"
>> they see everywhere. :))
>
>Been watching American Beauty have we Jett ?
>:)
>And what an exeptional movie it is !
>Can't wait to finally get it on dvd.
>Just a couple more weeks.
*******************************************
Actually, I have never seen that movie, but desperately want to--that
and "Almost Famous." :)
--Jett
JettKarma
>In article <39D7A92A...@home.com>,
> Laurie Hester <laurie...@home.com> wrote:
>> That's what bothers me about this. If they are separated, who cares
>who he goes
>> out with. Perhaps in self defense, he'll have to let his separation
>become
>> "official".
>
>Yeah, who cares who he goes out with? What does it matter if it's a
>model or a cashier at KMart? It doesn't affect his convictions or
>anything like that as far as I see. He meets a nice model, they hit it
>off. Would anyone say anything if it was an actress? Say that Garafalo
>(sp?) chick...
****************************************
I personally would enjoy hearing something like that more. Garafalo
seems like a woman of substance--she's beautiful *and* brainy. I mean
who knows who this other woman is, but I have a really hard time
respecting someone whose main talent is getting lucky in the cultural
gene pool. Of course, it doesn't matter what I personally would enjoy
hearing. :)) If he is going out with a supermodel, it's just so
predictably trite for a rock star. I guess it's just irritating
because it's another action that he's taken that's contrary to what
his words have been--*if* in fact the rumor is true--which "I feel"
(how New Age of me) probably is true. I guess even deeper than that,
here he is involved in the classic rock star situation (if he is)
where the model "surprisingly" gets pregnant and the rock star is
paying child support for a kid he never wanted. While this is by no
means guaranteed to happen, I mean, it's not an uncommon story (we
could start the 40-Gig attachment here listing all the rock stars and
the various models and children involved)...and if it were to happen
would make songs like "Jeremy" far less meaningful (almost satirical,
in fact) because to quote Ed himself..."if you hate something, don't
you do it, too." For a guy who has gone on about kids and what modern
day parents do to them, it'd be rich if he did as bad as Joe Contreras
down the street--and maybe worse.
I am going way too far with all of this, I know. But, I really find
it chafing. Also, I'm a hypocrite because I hate it when people run
down other people, and here I am doing it too on pure
speculation--which is even worse than going on facts.
So, you know, feel free to run me down. :)
--Jett
Shannon
>I personally would enjoy hearing something like that more. Garafalo
>seems like a woman of substance--she's beautiful *and* brainy. I mean
>who knows who this other woman is, but I have a really hard time
>respecting someone whose main talent is getting lucky in the cultural
>gene pool.
Well Jett, to be fair, if this rumor is true we have no idea of who
this person is. And being a model doesn't automatically mean one is
stupid and shallow. He strikes me as someone who thinks too much to
be attracted to gorgeous but stupid women.
>(how New Age of me) probably is true. I guess even deeper than that,
>here he is involved in the classic rock star situation (if he is)
>where the model "surprisingly" gets pregnant and the rock star is
>paying child support for a kid he never wanted. While this is by no
>means guaranteed to happen, I mean, it's not an uncommon story (we
>could start the 40-Gig attachment here listing all the rock stars and
>the various models and children involved)...and if it were to happen
>would make songs like "Jeremy" far less meaningful (almost satirical,
>in fact) because to quote Ed himself..."if you hate something, don't
>you do it, too." For a guy who has gone on about kids and what modern
>day parents do to them, it'd be rich if he did as bad as Joe Contreras
>down the street--and maybe worse.
>I am going way too far with all of this, I know. But, I really find
>it chafing. Also, I'm a hypocrite because I hate it when people run
>down other people, and here I am doing it too on pure
>speculation--which is even worse than going on facts.
>
Well you are jumping the gun. Just a smidge. :) We don't know if the
rumor is true, and if it is, we don't know the people involved. *If*
he's really dating a model, we can't assume that his brains have
poured out his ears, or that she doesn't have a brain to begin with.
You're creating a situation based on a rumor, which seems like a waste
of mental energy to me. :) Sure it's common, but there's really no
reason to get dismayed about something that hasn't happened based on
such a vague rumor which may or may not even be completely true.
in dreams I walk with you
> >Been watching American Beauty have we Jett ?
> >:)
> >And what an exeptional movie it is !
> >Can't wait to finally get it on dvd.
> >Just a couple more weeks.
>
> Actually, I have never seen that movie, but desperately want
to--that
> and "Almost Famous." :)
Almost Famous by Cameron Crowe....that's about all I could find at
IMDB :) What's it about ? Will it feature any PJ members or music ?
And Jett....go rent AB right away....it's a beautiful movie (but I'm
sure you've heard that already). btw get "the Ciderhouse Rules" while
you're at it....I'm sure you'll like it.
Take care,
--
David.
The Hunger Site Home
www.thehungersite.com
(Donate Food for Free to Hungry People in the World.)
Lamia
imagine that Ed is involved in that classic situation where Mr. Big
Rock Star Man exchanges his faithful pre-fame wife for a younger and
more beautiful model. But come on, this is Ed we're talking about.
Could he do such a thing? Well, yes, probably he could. He is an
imperfect human being. But do we have any reason to believe that it is
something he would be likely to do? I don't think so.
If Ed and Beth are really separated (and that's a big "if" until it's
confirmed by a more reliable source than a gossip columnist) then I
think we should give them both the benefit of the doubt when it comes
to the reasons behind the split, at least until more information is
available.
--
-Lamia
*Amazon Academy*
http://www.geocities.com/yellowlamia
liz...@clubved.com
ya know.. i can't figure out why models are being put down. they're people,
too...
i know... i used to be one.
i'm not into speculating about the whole ed/beth/model here... i can't get
into that. but it's annoying to see everyone baring their teeth at someone
who is unknown to us. as long as no one starts yoko ono-ing on us... it's
really none of our concern.
lizzie...
In article <20001001183201...@ng-df1.aol.com>, RiaRose2
<riar...@aol.com> writes:
>In that article it makes it sound like ed went out on beth or something i
just
>cant imagine ed goin out on beth...i do believe in the separation
thing...but
>the model thing...NO WAY...ed's better than that...but who knows
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blues02
"Tracey A. Kerr" <bjell...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> To me the model thing is a question of character. I refuse the
believe its
> true until we hear it from Ed (which we probably won't either way).
Why? Is it becuase he's supposed to only like plain, not so attractive
women or something?
> Now Jeanane Garafalo...that would be too awesome. :)
She's an actress, what's the difference?
blues02
myst...@mindspring.com wrote:>
> ****************************************
> I personally would enjoy hearing something like that more. Garafalo
> seems like a woman of substance--she's beautiful *and* brainy. I mean
> who knows who this other woman is, but I have a really hard time
> respecting someone whose main talent is getting lucky in the cultural
So by nature a model is shallow and without substance?
> gene pool. Of course, it doesn't matter what I personally would enjoy
> hearing. :)) If he is going out with a supermodel, it's just so
> predictably trite for a rock star. I guess it's just irritating
> because it's another action that he's taken that's contrary to what
> his words have been--*if* in fact the rumor is true--which "I feel"
> (how New Age of me) probably is true. I guess even deeper than that,
Maybe he really likes her and feels a connection. If that's the case
and I was ed I wouldn't give the slightest thought to what my
fans "expect" from me.
> here he is involved in the classic rock star situation (if he is)
> where the model "surprisingly" gets pregnant and the rock star is
> paying child support for a kid he never wanted. While this is by no
> means guaranteed to happen, I mean, it's not an uncommon story (we
> could start the 40-Gig attachment here listing all the rock stars and
> the various models and children involved)...and if it were to happen
> would make songs like "Jeremy" far less meaningful (almost satirical,
> in fact) because to quote Ed himself..."if you hate something, don't
> you do it, too." For a guy who has gone on about kids and what modern
> day parents do to them, it'd be rich if he did as bad as Joe Contreras
> down the street--and maybe worse.
Now he is suddenly going to pull a Mick Jagger becuase he is rumored to
have become friendly with a model?
> I am going way too far with all of this, I know. But, I really find
> it chafing. Also, I'm a hypocrite because I hate it when people run
Doesn't bother me in the least.
> down other people, and here I am doing it too on pure
> speculation--which is even worse than going on facts.
>
> So, you know, feel free to run me down. :)
> --Jett
>
>
--
LuvsEDVed
>really none of our concern.
>
HA HA HA
good way of puting it
blues02
liz...@clubved.com wrote:
> i wasn't going to... but here i am.
>
> ya know.. i can't figure out why models are being put down. they're
people,
> too...
> i know... i used to be one.
>
> i'm not into speculating about the whole ed/beth/model here... i
can't get
> into that. but it's annoying to see everyone baring their teeth at
someone
it's
> really none of our concern.
I think some here want Ed to date...less glamours types of women to
show that he is a sensitive man who cares not for physical looks and is
only interested in the mind of woman. But in the end Ed is just a man
and probally can be swayed by beauty just like the rest of us pigs.
oink!
> lizzie...
Carl
<<<So by nature a model is shallow and without substance?>>>
Most of em yup. My cousin is in New York and i have met quite a few. Looks
dominate their life so if you want someone who's central life issue is vanity
go for it. Are there exceptions to the rule..sure..but stereotypes have a
basis in truth.
--
CjS "everybody's business is everybody's business" BC
::Sigh::
Rai
> So by nature a model is shallow and without substance?
The ugly women in this world would like us all to believe that they have a
monopoly on personalities. I, and obviously you as well, are thankfully
capable of seeing the fallacy of such a judgement call.
--
Rai
"I never end my messages with a damn quote."
break...@earthlink.net
luvs...@aol.com (LuvsEDVed) wrote:
> >NOOOOOOOO!!!!! Not a model! Say it ain't so, say it ain't so!
>
> anyone see the supermodels on the side of the stage in Boston?
>
Which night and on which side of the stage? I was up front both nights
and didn't notice any.
blues02
Rai <mra...@spamumichshield.edu> wrote:
> blues02 wrote:
>
> > So by nature a model is shallow and without substance?
>
> The ugly women in this world would like us all to believe that they
have a
> monopoly on personalities. I, and obviously you as well, are
thankfully
> capable of seeing the fallacy of such a judgement call.
Thanks. I've met as many bitches and airheads among both groups.
Shaun P. Hickson
truth?
Shaun
"Carl " <myday...@aol.comical> wrote in message
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> Blues wrote:
> <<<So by nature a model is shallow and without substance?>>>
>
Rai
> Could you cite some examples of other stereotypes that have a basis in truth?
I think that the stereotype that Carl brought up (that attractive people are
generally shallow and stupid, etc. etc.) is bullshit. However, I think that
some stereotypes DO have a basis in reality.
Stereotype: Asians and Africans tend to have darker skin than Europeans.
-One of my friends (an Indian) has such light skin that she looks quite
European..perhaps Spanish or Italian. She's an exception, but the stereotype
still holds true.
Stereotype: Engineering majors are dorks.
-Ok...ummm...I don't know of ANY exceptions to that rule! ;) Ok..I'm kidding,
I know a lot of cool people who are engineering majors. However, the stereotype
of engineers thinking differently (ie, being really curious about how things
work, and how to fix things, traits that are often labeled "dorky" do hold true
for a lot of engineers).
Stereotype: University of Michigan students are liberal
-That John Smith guy (sadly) goes here, and he is quite far from liberal. But
liberalism is definately a trend around here (for better or worse...). There
are exceptions of course, but there is a strong liberal environment around
here. The stereotype does hold true.
Stereotype: Canadians are stupid
-This is a classic example of an untrue stereotype that has no basis in
reality. This stereotype, much like the "attractive people are callous and
vain" stereotype is entirely false and ought to be forgotten.
VVVFF
there's always one that's better...
A million sexy mouths and lips...
there's always one that's wetter...'
I'm not pleased with the super model rumor, but I guess I'm just jealous.
Speaking as a less glamorous type of woman...
Mary
Sam Morris
to use THAT rationale, I'm going to counter by saying that Linda broke
up the Beatles.
The Beatles broke up the Beatles. Well, no, actually Paul broke up the
Beatles. Yes, Yoko didn't belong in the studio...but neither did Linda
(Hey Jude backing vocals) or anyone else!
Paul and John were opposites folks brought together by a yearning to
create music and similar tragedies in life. That can only take a
relationship so far...and besides, George and Ringo were getting pretty
fucking pissed off at their egos...I'm thinking of the time that a
certain drummer walked out of a certain album's recording process.
Sorry, just had to get that off my chest. This Yoko shit is lame.
-Sam
In article <8rah86$7q0$1...@news.netmar.com>,
liz...@clubved.com wrote:
> i wasn't going to... but here i am.
>
> ya know.. i can't figure out why models are being put down. they're
people,
> too...
> i know... i used to be one.
>
> i'm not into speculating about the whole ed/beth/model here... i
can't get
> into that. but it's annoying to see everyone baring their teeth at
someone
> who is unknown to us. as long as no one starts yoko ono-ing on us...
it's
> really none of our concern.
>
> lizzie...
>
> In article <20001001183201...@ng-df1.aol.com>, RiaRose2
> <riar...@aol.com> writes:
> >In that article it makes it sound like ed went out on beth or
something i
> just
> >cant imagine ed goin out on beth...i do believe in the separation
> thing...but
> >the model thing...NO WAY...ed's better than that...but who knows
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Dedleydeb
writes:
>> >
>> After all these years, is he finally sleeping in Satan's bed?
>>
yeah, it would be hard to see Eddie with a "model" type, and it does differ
from an actress. An actress might have talent - a model has a body and a face
lucky enough to be a model. And like previous post - she would be very focused
on looks. I like to think Ed would want someone who was a political activist
or someone trying to do something for the universe instead of getting people to
buy designer dresses. I agree with Jett- it would seem like major hypocrisy.
as far as Satan's bed, i also agree with Jett >> Well, people who go on about
things the loudest are usually the most tempted>>
me thinketh him protesteth too much
I never liked the put down of "skinny little bitch" in the song, and thought it
was sexist and stereotypical to put down anyone completely just based on looks
alone. So, i guess if she was a model, and still a good caring person who
spent some time and money on worthy causes beside her own...well, i guess i'd
have to accept that.
enough
Debbie lbca
JettKarma
>In article <m47YOWTcp2XsaX...@4ax.com>,
> myst...@mindspring.com wrote:>
>> ****************************************
>> I personally would enjoy hearing something like that more. Garafalo
>> seems like a woman of substance--she's beautiful *and* brainy. I mean
>> who knows who this other woman is, but I have a really hard time
>> respecting someone whose main talent is getting lucky in the cultural
>
>So by nature a model is shallow and without substance?
**************************************************
No, but the qualifications for the job do not include a high IQ or
superior talent. They don't really require any developed talent
whatsoever (most men and women can walk down a runway without
tripping)--you're born a particular way or you're not. Yes, you can
get some implants and some collagen shots, but essentially, you are
what you is. Becoming a model doesn't seem to involve, to me,
becoming anything as a human being. It's not an accomplishment,
except maybe in the bank book department. It's certainly nowhere near
being in the same league as, say, becoming a physician in which years
of focused training improve you and improve the lot of humanity.
Modeling qualifications do include being willing to work from the
basest qualifications women have--their looks, and therefore, their
fuckability quotient. I don't respect modeling as a career choice
because of this opinion.
JettKarma
>I think we all may be jumping the gun just a bit. It is easy to
>imagine that Ed is involved in that classic situation where Mr. Big
>Rock Star Man exchanges his faithful pre-fame wife for a younger and
>more beautiful model. But come on, this is Ed we're talking about.
>Could he do such a thing? Well, yes, probably he could. He is an
>imperfect human being. But do we have any reason to believe that it is
>something he would be likely to do? I don't think so.
>
>If Ed and Beth are really separated (and that's a big "if" until it's
>confirmed by a more reliable source than a gossip columnist) then I
>think we should give them both the benefit of the doubt when it comes
>to the reasons behind the split, at least until more information is
>available.
**************************************
You're right. I am jumping the gun. I'm even inventing it. :))
It's just that this rumor is so chafing. And, if true, it totally
ruins Satan's Bed for me. I mean, here's a song that will make me
snicker every time I hear it if the rumor pans out. I'll never be
able to take it seriously again. And that pretty much ruins the tune.
--Jett, putting her fingers in her ears and starting to hum loudly
JettKarma
>Could you cite some examples of other stereotypes that have a basis in
>truth?
>
>Shaun
>
********************************************
Almost all are. We did a little exercise in some classes I was taking
over the summer, and we were asked to draw a picture of a tree. Most
of us drew a thing with a brown trunk and fluffy green top. Many
featured little knot holes where squirrels could run in and out of.
We were then shown various photos of trees and led outside to look at
some actual trees that we were told to draw. We then compared the
sketches of the real trees to the meme of "tree" in our minds (the
first tree we had drawn). They were *markedly* dissimilar. We were
then informed that what we had first drawn were stereotypes of trees
and that, in fact, the human mind organizes information in a very
stereotypical manner in order to be able to function effectively at
all.
The sketches of real trees did not match the stereotype very closely,
yet the stereotype of the tree was not completely incorrect. My
stereotype did include most features of a real tree...it had leaves,
it had a trunk, it had branches, etc. So, in fact, stereotypes are
based in "truth" or "reality," but they are merely collapsed
representations of a greater reality. One example of anything cannot
possibly give us the rich spectrum of diversity that exists in the
world, but it can serve as an "icon" and a kind of shorthand for an
aspect of reality.
--Jett
JettKarma
>blues02 wrote:
>
>> So by nature a model is shallow and without substance?
>
>The ugly women in this world would like us all to believe that they have a
>monopoly on personalities. I, and obviously you as well, are thankfully
>capable of seeing the fallacy of such a judgement call.
********************************************
That statement itself is a fine example of a negative stereotype.
--Jett
JettKarma
>'A million bodies roam this earth...
>there's always one that's better...
>A million sexy mouths and lips...
>there's always one that's wetter...'
>
>I'm not pleased with the super model rumor, but I guess I'm just jealous.
>Speaking as a less glamorous type of woman...
>
> Mary
>*******************************************
I think you might be selling yourself short. I don't think it's a
matter of jealousy either. I think it's a matter of certain
statements possibly conflicting with certain behaviors. Would I feel
slightly odd about Ed dating a psychiatrist? An engineer? A doctor?
A political organizer? Heck, a mechanic or a secretary? Well, to the
extent that it shatters my "wonderful marriage" mental icon of what
things "should be like," yes. But, in general, no.
It's definitely the model thing and definitely only the model thing
because of Satan's Bed. So, I'm experiencing quite a bit of cognitive
dissonance--over a rumor. Heaven forbid Beth should ever write an
unflattering tell-all book. I should run from that like Pompeiians
from a volcano. :))
I'd be mentally scarred for life if I found out all those pepperoni
(?) pizzas were really eaten by Ed on Friday nights, never mind
anything more intense than that. :))
--Jett
Karen
If somebody is a model that means thats their main talent?...hmm,I
somehow doubt that would be the case.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with being model material and making a
living using your looks.
Also, if this is true that he's interested in a model...or .. <insert
'any' occupation>
i'm quite certain that Ed is the best judge of who's right for Ed:)
___
"There is no such thing as better. There is no such thing as worse. They
are our creations, and they dance for our pleasure with our moral
inventions serving as the staff in our palace of lies."
_Enochias Discordia-4/6/00
___
mariann
wrote:
>I think we all may be jumping the gun just a bit.
>
>If Ed and Beth are really separated (and that's a big "if" until it's
>confirmed by a more reliable source than a gossip columnist) then I
>think we should give them both the benefit of the doubt when it comes
>to the reasons behind the split, at least until more information is
>available.
>
>--
>-Lamia
I agree whole-heartedly. Just because Ed is supposedly seen with
'another woman' doesn't necessarily mean it is over between him and
Beth. I have a lot of male friends. I go to concerts with them, I go
to their houses to play guitar, we go out to eat and have fun,
sometimes my husband goes, sometimes he doesn't. We have our
interest and lives with and without each other. We have a very open
and trusting relationship. I always thought Ed and Beth must have an
open relationship to last in the spotlight. They are the only ones
that know what is going on, and they are the only ones that can do
anything about it.
mariann
Chris Mansfield
> IMDB :) What's it about?
Cover story and additional articles
http://www.rollingstone.com/sections/magazine/text/default.asp?afl=
Conversations with Crowe (the director)
http://www.rollingstone.com/sections/special/cameroncrowe/
> Will it feature any PJ members or music?
No one makes an appearance. Mike plays all the lead guitar parts for the
(fictional) band Stillwater that is focused on in the movie.
fake_pla...@my-deja.com
happens to be a model" evidently hasn't met many models.
Secondly, Shorty's gonna look pretty stupid with some Amazonian woman a
half-foot taller than him.
But really, if Eddie has suddenly lost his integrity when it comes to
women, don't let it come as a huge surprise to any of you. He's just
falling in line with his bandmates. Stone's current fling is barely
half his age and is one of the most insufferably arrogant little brats
that I've ever had the displeasure of meeting. Jeff lives with a girl
who is as bitchy as she is pretty. And Mike has a habit of dating women
who openly talk about nothing other than how much money he has. Matt's
the only one with any sense when it comes to women, but of course he's
not *really* in the band.
And I will say that the passive-aggressive-revenge theory posted earlier
is closer to the truth than most of you can know.
g
sad, sad, sad.
and yes, people who love each other know better than anyone how to hurt each
other badly.
How could anything that once seemed so lovely turn so bad? I hope for the
best, I really do.....
<fake_pla...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8rbk17$smk$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
Rai
> > The ugly women in this world would like us all to believe that they have a
> monopoly on > personalities. I, and obviously you as well, are thankfully
> capable of seeing the fallacy of such a > judgement call.
>
> ********************************************
> That statement itself is a fine example of a negative stereotype.
How so?
Given2FlyM
This is absolutely absurd...it probably all started when someone at a paper
heard Parting Ways and was short a story...how ridiculous...::sigh::
Mike
Rai
> First of all, anybody who says "maybe she's a good person who just happens
> to be a model" evidently hasn't met many models.
Untrue...I have....but anyways....
> Secondly, Shorty's gonna look pretty stupid with some Amazonian woman a
> half-foot taller than him.
Ummm....I guess. Is there STILL that old-hat belief that the man's
*supposed* to be taller? Didn't that idea die in the '60s?
> But really, if Eddie has suddenly lost his integrity when it comes to
> women, don't let it come as a huge surprise to any of you. He's just
> falling in line with his bandmates.
So?
> Stone's current fling is barely half his age and is one of the most
> insufferably arrogant little brats
> that I've ever had the displeasure of meeting.
So?
> Jeff lives with a girl who is as bitchy as she is pretty.
So?
> And Mike has a habit of dating women who openly talk about nothing other
> than how much money he has.
So?
> Matt's the only one with any sense when it comes to women, but of course
> he's not *really* in the band.
So?
> And I will say that the passive-aggressive-revenge theory posted earlier
> is closer to the truth than most of you can know.
Ummm...who the hell are you? And who the hell cares who they date? Is it
any of our business?? And, more importantly, is it our place to make
personal judgement calls about a person's character based on some
presuppositions regarding their career choices??
Feminism gone bad, I tell ya....
Carl
I agree...how does gossip get turned into a philosophical debate on eddies
dating habits?
g
What is "feminism gone bad?" You might want to be a little more careful
about judging civil rights movements so harshly and with such disdain. But
hey, you're not a woman, so feminism's nothing but a big pain in the ass to
you, isn't it? Wasn't life better when you could just shut them up by
beating them? Yup, feminism gone bad. Fuckhead. Woman-hater.
"Rai" <mra...@spamumichshield.edu> wrote in message
news:39D95F9B...@spamumichshield.edu...
Elisabeth
fake_pla...@my-deja.com wrote:
> First of all, anybody who says "maybe she's a good person who just
> happens to be a model" evidently hasn't met many models.
Well, I've met about a dozen of them, and yes, 11 I couldn't stand, but
the 12th just happens to be one of my dearest friends and one of the
finest human beings I've known, so I'm not going to stereotype an
entire profession.
> Secondly, Shorty's gonna look pretty stupid with some Amazonian
woman a
> half-foot taller than him.
Shorty??? Who's all focused on appearance NOW?
> But really, if Eddie has suddenly lost his integrity when it comes to
> women, don't let it come as a huge surprise to any of you. He's just
> falling in line with his bandmates. Stone's current fling is barely
> half his age and is one of the most insufferably arrogant little brats
> that I've ever had the displeasure of meeting. Jeff lives with a girl
> who is as bitchy as she is pretty. And Mike has a habit of dating
women
> who openly talk about nothing other than how much money he has.
Matt's
> the only one with any sense when it comes to women, but of course he's
> not *really* in the band.
Who the hell cares? Why do I like Pearl Jam? Music! Does the music
still sound good? You betcha!
> And I will say that the passive-aggressive-revenge theory posted
earlier
> is closer to the truth than most of you can know.
Who are you, the official band therapist or something?
Liz
Saerah Schreiber
>dating habits?
>--
because he hasn't dyed his hair lately :>
Saerah
"Are we going to the same place? if so, can I come?" ~ Eddie Vedder
"The Almighty thinks he can get me out of this, but he's pretty sure you're
fucked."~Stephen (from Braveheart)
"Practice deliberate acts of kindness and purposeful acts of beauty"
Karen
happens to be a model" evidently hasn't met many models.
Secondly, Shorty's gonna look pretty stupid with some Amazonian woman a
half-foot taller than him.
But really, if Eddie has suddenly lost his integrity when it comes to
women>>
::beside myself::
WTF is with all the comments about models?!!
I'm really ashamed that pj fans would be so fucking judgemental!
I was dancer for 12 years,which is a 'looks' based job for the most
part.Im waaay faaar from supermodel material but I have done some
modeling for a couple of tanning salons and a fitness center.
I find this whole thread(well,most of it) to be shallow and insulting
to myself, ALL women that are models and Ed too
Karen
show that he is a sensitive man who cares not for physical looks and is
only interested in the mind of woman.<>
I think you may be right
< But in the end Ed is just a man and probally can be swayed by beauty
just like the rest of us pigs. >>
IMO,It's not a "pig" to be attracted to a woman for her looks at
first.I mean... unless one is blind that is the first thing(or at least
one of the first things) we notice about another.
If Ed were somewhere and a woman walks by taht he finds attractive...he
talks to her..he likes her ....SOfuckingwhat!
If Ed picked up a magazine...sees a beautiful model...would like to
get to know her...he does get to know her....he likes
her..SOfuckingwhat.
I really dont think that ed and beth broke up (if they did) because
he's a rock star andthats what happens.
Im sure they have their differences like all normal couples. im sure
theirs can get to thepoint of giving up...
Ed is a wonderful NORMAL person...shit happens
<oink!>
LOL: )
Karen
Amen...
at least the model can fall back on all those looks;)
Ishmaelape
> WTF is with all the comments about models?!!
> I'm really ashamed that pj fans would be so fucking judgemental!
> I was dancer for 12 years,which is a 'looks' based job for the most
> part.Im waaay faaar from supermodel material but I have done some
> modeling for a couple of tanning salons and a fitness center.
> I find this whole thread(well,most of it) to be shallow and insulting
> to myself, ALL women that are models and Ed too
Satan's Bed:
who made, who made up, made up the myth
that we were born to be covered in bliss?
who set the standard, born to be rich?
such fine examples, skinny little bitch
model, role model, roll some models in blood
get some flesh to stick, so they look like us
i shit and i stink, i'm real, join the club
It would make Ed seem like a total hipocrite. Just my thoughts
anyways
Rai
> WHAT EXACTLY DOES THAT MEAN?
It means exactly what it says. "Feminism gone bad."
> What is "feminism gone bad?"
Empowering someone by denegrating another group. In this case, empowering
"women in general" by denegrating those women who have a specific talent
(beauty). As a matter of fact, I don't even think that's feminism
anymore...that's just crass, shallow posturing by women who have complexes
regarding their own apperances, so they feel the need to attack any woman who
is beautiful as being a "shallow, personality bereft bitch." That's about as
fair as (for example) me saying that all overweight people are out of shape
because they are lazy. That's a silly generalization, and though it may hold
true for some, it is certainly not some sort of universal truth.
People seem to want it to become a universal truth that pretty women are
idiots. I know more than a few beautiful women who have had incredibly
intelligent things going on in their minds. I think the only shallow and
idiotic people are the ones saying that Eddie (or anyone for that matter) must
necessarily be dating a bitch simply because she is beautiful.
> You might want to be a little more careful about judging civil rights
> movements so harshly and with such disdain.
I think Jesse Jackson is an idiot. I think affirmative action has turned into
a very selfish tool used by the rich to keep up the unequal distribution of
wealth. That's pretty disparaging towards the Civil Rights movement, from your
judgement. Not from mine though....I think that the origional cause (of
equality for all, and NOT BEING JUDGED BY YOUR APPEARANCE) was a noble one..but
those causes have been perverted by too many people. If you don't like my
opinions, I'm sorry.
> But hey, you're not a woman, so feminism's nothing but a big pain in the ass
> to you, isn't it? Wasn't life better when you could just shut them up by
> beating them?
Ummm...I've never hit a woman in my life. I've never tried to shut a woman up,
either. One (of many) things my dad taught me...you never hit a woman.
> Yup, feminism gone bad. Fuckhead. Woman-hater.
I rather enjoy women.....
blues02
"g" <g...@home.com> wrote:
> WHAT EXACTLY DOES THAT MEAN?
>
> What is "feminism gone bad?" You might want to be a little more
careful
> about judging civil rights movements so harshly and with such
disdain. But
> hey, you're not a woman, so feminism's nothing but a big pain in the
ass to
> you, isn't it? Wasn't life better when you could just shut them up by
> beating them? Yup, feminism gone bad. Fuckhead. Woman-hater.
Yeah Rai, why do you hate so?
lol!
> "Rai" <mra...@spamumichshield.edu> wrote in message
> news:39D95F9B...@spamumichshield.edu...
> > fake_pla...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > Feminism gone bad, I tell ya....
> >
> > --
> > Rai
> >
> > "I never end my messages with a damn quote."
> >
> >
>
>
--
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in dreams I walk with you
> Cover story and additional articles
> http://www.rollingstone.com/sections/magazine/text/default.asp?afl=
>
> Conversations with Crowe (the director)
> http://www.rollingstone.com/sections/special/cameroncrowe/
>
> > Will it feature any PJ members or music?
>
> No one makes an appearance. Mike plays all the lead guitar parts
for the
> (fictional) band Stillwater that is focused on in the movie.
Thanks a lot for the info, Chris !
--
David.
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www.thehungersite.com
(Donate Food for Free to Hungry People in the World.)
Karen
>>
Man...on the rag?
Shannon
>Mike wrote:
><<<I never in my life have seen a lousy, vague piece of GOSSIP get SO out of
>hand.
>This is absolutely absurd...it probably all started when someone at a paper
>heard Parting Ways and was short a story...how ridiculous...::sigh::
>Mike >>>
>
>I agree...how does gossip get turned into a philosophical debate on eddies
>dating habits?
It's a unique phenomenon of this newsgroup that *anything* under the
sun can turn into a philosophical debate. :)
--
Shannon
"Sing loud cause its outside.
Sing loud cause you're still alive.
Just sing loud." Eddie Vedder, Virginia Beach 2000
jays...@webtv.net
What's a glib?
Webster states:
2glib> 2b (1) marked by little or no forethought or preparation.
(2) marked by hastiness and lack of requisite forethought and
prepararation:
Unthinking, Unreflecting <jumping to conclusions>
2c (1) : lacking depth and substance *: Superficial, Shallow, Empty
~generalizations. (2) : too easily arrived at and basically inadequate.
3a: characterized by a propensity for, ability to use, or production of
a smooth ready flow of words : voluble: facile in the use of words to a
degree indicative of superficiality, trickery, or deceitfulness.
3b: spoken or written in an overly smooth easy manner.
To add- glibbery means* not trustworthy:Unreliable.
This is my point
This is my .02
This glib/blurb is probably only a rumor and not worth anything.
JettKarma
>JettKarma wrote:
>
>> > The ugly women in this world would like us all to believe that they have a
>> monopoly on > personalities. I, and obviously you as well, are thankfully
>> capable of seeing the fallacy of such a > judgement call.
>>
>> ********************************************
>> That statement itself is a fine example of a negative stereotype.
>
>How so?
****************************************
The ugly women of the world would have you believe.... The fact that
you believe ugly women would have all "of us" think something is
interesting. Do you have a similar theory surrounding what the Jews
or African Americans of this world would have us all believe? Ugly
women are not a homogeneous, organized group that believe exactly
alike and have a think tank somewhere spreading insidious propaganda
to the general populace. So, you're engaging in some major negative
stereotyping, Rai.
Also to address something that is bothering me about some responses to
this thread in general is the knee-jerk response that some people
(primarily men) are having to my discomfort with the idea of Ed dating
a model. The rationale seems to be that jealousy must be fueling the
response at some level. And who knows, maybe at some level it is--but
it's not the primary level, and that's for certain.
If Satan's Bed had been written about Ed's complete disgust revolving
around relationships with nuclear physicists because their work with
enriched uranium makes the world an awful place and then the first
thing he did upon either becoming separated or divorced was run out
and date a nuclear physicist, I'd have the same reaction. Would I be
reacting this way because I was horribly jealous of nuclear physicists
because they might be nobel laureate candidates and I would never be?
Maybe a little, but that wouldn't be the reason why I might feel some
distress over the whole thing if I had become invested in the song and
the message I interpreted that, say, nuclear proliferation is a bad
thing.
I guess I'm primarily "in distress" because I bought the story he had
to tell hook, line, and sinker, and now I'm somewhat pissed at myself.
I became invested in that song thinking it was some kind of clever
feminist manifesto, when in fact it's a song by some guy, feeling an
overwhelming tickling sensation in the back of his throat, essentially
saying "I will not cough! I will *not* cough!" <hack, Hack, HACK!>
I just thought I'd clarify that point, since it seems to not be very
clear.
--Jett
JettKarma
>g wrote:
>
>> WHAT EXACTLY DOES THAT MEAN?
>
>It means exactly what it says. "Feminism gone bad."
>
>
>
>> What is "feminism gone bad?"
>
>Empowering someone by denegrating another group. In this case, empowering
>"women in general" by denegrating those women who have a specific talent
>(beauty).
***************************
Beauty is NOT a talent. It's an attribute. Blue eyes are not a
talent. They're an attribute. It's okay to appreciate them, it's not
realistic to elevate them to the level of a talent.
>As a matter of fact, I don't even think that's feminism
>anymore...that's just crass, shallow posturing by women who have complexes
>regarding their own apperances, so they feel the need to attack any woman who
>is beautiful as being a "shallow, personality bereft bitch."
**************************************
Well, that was apparently Ed's *own* assessment of such women at one
time. So, you know, go throw a shoe at him for his crass, shallow
posturing. :)
>That's about as
>fair as (for example) me saying that all overweight people are out of shape
>because they are lazy. That's a silly generalization, and though it may hold
>true for some, it is certainly not some sort of universal truth.
>
>People seem to want it to become a universal truth that pretty women are
>idiots. I know more than a few beautiful women who have had incredibly
>intelligent things going on in their minds. I think the only shallow and
>idiotic people are the ones saying that Eddie (or anyone for that matter) must
>necessarily be dating a bitch simply because she is beautiful.
>
>
>
>> You might want to be a little more careful about judging civil rights
>> movements so harshly and with such disdain.
>
>I think Jesse Jackson is an idiot. I think affirmative action has turned into
>a very selfish tool used by the rich to keep up the unequal distribution of
>wealth. That's pretty disparaging towards the Civil Rights movement, from your
>judgement. Not from mine though....I think that the origional cause (of
>equality for all, and NOT BEING JUDGED BY YOUR APPEARANCE) was a noble one..but
>those causes have been perverted by too many people. If you don't like my
>opinions, I'm sorry.
>
>
>
>> But hey, you're not a woman, so feminism's nothing but a big pain in the ass
>> to you, isn't it? Wasn't life better when you could just shut them up by
>> beating them?
>
>Ummm...I've never hit a woman in my life. I've never tried to shut a woman up,
>either. One (of many) things my dad taught me...you never hit a woman.
--Jett
JettKarma
>>I agree...how does gossip get turned into a philosophical debate on eddies
>>dating habits?
>>--
>
>because he hasn't dyed his hair lately :>
>
>Saerah
********************************************
lol!! Thanks, Saerah.
--Jett
Carl
<<<Yup, feminism gone bad. Fuckhead. Woman-hater.>>>
Isnt it Womyn? :-)
"I think i know all i need to know about you"
Carl
<<< But hey, you're not a woman, so feminism's nothing but a big pain in the
ass to you, isn't it? Wasn't life better when you could just shut them up by
beating them?>>>
Thats quite a jump you made there from Rai's debating to calling him an
abusive person who beats people. Sounds like maybe you have some anger issues
you need to work on. =)
I had the most horrilbe sarcastic response but i let it go....in honor for your
complete lack of a sense of humor.
blues02
karend...@webtv.net (Karen) wrote:
> <<but I have a really hard time respecting someone whose main talent
is
> getting lucky in the cultural gene pool.>>
>
> If somebody is a model that means thats their main talent?...hmm,I
> somehow doubt that would be the case.
> I see absolutely nothing wrong with being model material and making
a
> living using your looks.
I can't see it being anything more than envy or something.
> Also, if this is true that he's interested in a model...or ..
<insert
> 'any' occupation>
> i'm quite certain that Ed is the best judge of who's right for Ed:)
How true.
> ___
> "There is no such thing as better. There is no such thing as worse.
They
> are our creations, and they dance for our pleasure with our moral
> inventions serving as the staff in our palace of lies."
> _Enochias=A0Discordia-4/6/00
> ___
>
=
blues02
myst...@mindspring.com wrote:
> Rai <mra...@spamumichshield.edu> did proclaim:
>
> >JettKarma wrote:
> >
> >> > The ugly women in this world would like us all to believe that
they have a
> >> monopoly on > personalities. I, and obviously you as well, are
thankfully
> >> capable of seeing the fallacy of such a > judgement call.
> >>
> >> ********************************************
> >> That statement itself is a fine example of a negative stereotype.
> >
> >How so?
>
Maybe he realized he was wrong? Maybe he realized you can't just lump
everyone in together becuase of what they do?
Or maybe, just maybe, Ed is TURNING INTO DAVID LEE ROTH!!!!!!!!
Models, groopies, sex, drugs, rock and roll.
> --Jett
liz...@clubved.com
"sometimes it may seem like i'm talking in circles but sooner or later you'll
find that there's a point..."
lizzie...
i think you missed my point. thanks for the laugh, anyway. (i'm trying to
figure out where i said that yoko broke up the beatles.)
In article <8rb560$gpb$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Sam Morris <smor...@utk.edu>
writes:
>Yoko Ono didn't break up the fucking Beatles. In fact, if you're going
>to use THAT rationale, I'm going to counter by saying that Linda broke
>up the Beatles.
>
>The Beatles broke up the Beatles. Well, no, actually Paul broke up the
>Beatles. Yes, Yoko didn't belong in the studio...but neither did Linda
>(Hey Jude backing vocals) or anyone else!
>
>Paul and John were opposites folks brought together by a yearning to
>create music and similar tragedies in life. That can only take a
>relationship so far...and besides, George and Ringo were getting pretty
>fucking pissed off at their egos...I'm thinking of the time that a
>certain drummer walked out of a certain album's recording process.
>
>Sorry, just had to get that off my chest. This Yoko shit is lame.
>
>-Sam
>
>
>In article <8rah86$7q0$1...@news.netmar.com>,
> liz...@clubved.com wrote:
>> i wasn't going to... but here i am.
>>
>> ya know.. i can't figure out why models are being put down. they're
>people,
>> too...
>> i know... i used to be one.
>>
>> i'm not into speculating about the whole ed/beth/model here... i
>can't get
>> into that. but it's annoying to see everyone baring their teeth at
>someone
>> who is unknown to us. as long as no one starts yoko ono-ing on us...
>it's
>> really none of our concern.
>>
>> lizzie...
>>
>> In article <20001001183201...@ng-df1.aol.com>, RiaRose2
>> <riar...@aol.com> writes:
>> >In that article it makes it sound like ed went out on beth or
>something i
>> just
>> >cant imagine ed goin out on beth...i do believe in the separation
>> thing...but
>> >the model thing...NO WAY...ed's better than that...but who knows
>>
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Rai
> The ugly women of the world would have you believe.... The fact that you believe
> ugly women would have all "of us" think something is interesting. Do you have a
> similar theory surrounding what the Jews or African Americans of this world would
> have us all believe? Ugly women are not a homogeneous, organized group that
> believe exactly alike and have a think tank somewhere spreading insidious
> propaganda to the general populace. So, you're engaging in some major negative
> stereotyping, Rai.
Oh. Ok, I'll admit that. Gladly. Although the issue of whether or not my
stereotyping is "negative" is quite debateable...perhaps it gives a negative
portrayal of the jealousy that some women feel, or may it is a negative reflection
of my own thought process. I don't know...I personally think that the only
"negative" aspect of that stereotype is the portrayal that (MANY) women give
regarding their feelings on beauty.
In any case, as was discussed earlier (I think it might have been you, as a matter
of fact), about the drawing of a tree, and how it doesn't really resemble a real
tree, but it certainly does have many aspects of a real tree. I think that applies
to this situation quite well. It may not be true for all "beauty impaired" women
(to use a more politically correct term), but it has, in my own personal
experience, quite a bit of basis in reality. You start noticing things like that
tin grade school...there was always the cult of girls who were always pissed off at
the world, who spat on every pretty girl as being some sort of idiotic bitch, etc.
etc. It only intensifies in high school, it gets cemented in college, and voila!
Before she knows it, she's turned into a shallow bitch herself, who judges others
based on the entirely unrelated issue of her hair, eyes, skin tone, and facial
features. I've known all of those "idiotic, shallow bitches who only care about
their looks" in my high school, and I can assure you that they are not all like
that. There are bitches on both sides of the coin...the only difference is that
pretty girls aren't trying their hardest to prove to the world that they are the
only ones with some intellectual merit.
> Also to address something that is bothering me about some responses to this
> thread in general is the knee-jerk response that some people (primarily men) are
> having to my discomfort with the idea of Ed dating a model. The rationale seems
> to be that jealousy must be fueling the response at some level. And who knows,
> maybe at some level it is--but it's not the primary level, and that's for
> certain.
Perhaps not the conscious level. Hell, perhaps you're right, perhaps it's not
jealousy at all. But you don't think that for a LOT of people, it IS jealousy?
Dating Beth was cool because people could say "Oh, look at Ed, he's a big rock
star, but he's still in the 10 year relationship with a woman who isn't all that
glamorous!" Now, suddenly Eddie Vedder is a human being, and has shown exactly
what a lot of us have been saying all this time...he's not a God, he's a man, and
he feels the same things as any man OR woman. Physical beauty is both important,
AND it is not a reflection of one's internal beauty. Suddenly, people are all
pissed off and jealous knowing that Eddie (may or may not...this is all still just
rumor) has gone after one of those "idiotic bitches" from high school that they
were so jealous of.
Oh! The humanity!
> If Satan's Bed had been written about Ed's complete disgust revolving around
> relationships with nuclear physicists because their work with enriched uranium
> makes the world an awful place and then the first thing he did upon either
> becoming separated or divorced was run out and date a nuclear physicist, I'd have
> the same reaction. Would I be reacting this way because I was horribly jealous
> of nuclear physicists because they might be nobel laureate candidates and I would
> never be? Maybe a little, but that wouldn't be the reason why I might feel some
> distress over the whole thing if I had become invested in the song and the
> message I interpreted that, say, nuclear proliferation is a bad thing.
Come on now. I guess I see your point, but...does Eddie have to live up to
everything he's ever said in his entire life?? Hell no! Remember the quote from
'96..."If anything were to happen to you guys, I don't think I'd be able to go on
as a band." 2000, "something" happened to the crowd and Roskilde, and there was
the automatic "HOLY SHIT! Eddie SAID that they would break up if people died at
the show, so it MUST BE TRUE!!!!" Bullshit....Eddie says things, because, again,
he's not a God, he's just a guy who'se really good at enunciating his feelings. He
wrote Satan's Bed at least six years ago...you don't think things can change?? And
MORE importantly, I always assumed that the song was saying that Eddie didn't like
shallow women. You're basing your appraisal of his renigging on the message of
that song on the stereotype that all beautiful women are shallow. That's a bad
assumption to be making...
And, incidentally, I don't care who Eddie is dating, Satan's Bed is still one of my
favorite tracks on Vitalogy. I enjoy Eddie's music, I don't worship him and his
words as if he were the second coming or some such nonsense. I can separate the
man from the message, but some people seem to be having a real problem doing that.
> I guess I'm primarily "in distress" because I bought the story he had to tell
> hook, line, and sinker, and now I'm somewhat pissed at myself. I became invested
> in that song thinking it was some kind of clever feminist manifesto, when in fact
> it's a song by some guy, feeling an overwhelming tickling sensation in the back
> of his throat, essentially saying "I will not cough! I will *not* cough!" <hack,
> Hack, HACK!> I just thought I'd clarify that point, since it seems to not be very
> clear.
Well, I guess. Whatever...the only problem is that your basic presumption is
wrong. Ugly (excuse me..."beauty impaired") women are not the only ones with
personalities.
Rai
> Beauty is NOT a talent. It's an attribute. Blue eyes are not a talent. They're
> an attribute. It's okay to appreciate them, it's not realistic to elevate them to
> the level of a talent.
Ok, I'll admit that. However, modelling is. One of my sister's friends is a model
of J. Crew...certainly it's not nearly as challenging as, say, coal mining or
something, but it's definately not *easy*.
And, incidentally, my sister's friend (a model) is an absolutely lovely person, and
I think she's got more personality than 90% of those goth chicks who sit around
hating the world and hating everyone who looks good.
> Well, that was apparently Ed's *own* assessment of such women at one time. So,
> you know, go throw a shoe at him for his crass, shallow posturing. :)
Nope, he had a problem (in my interpretation) with shallow women. You're making
those assumptions again Jett...be careful...
Rai
> <<Yup, feminism gone bad. Fuckhead. Woman-hater.>>
>
> Man...on the rag?
hahahahahaha!!
Oh man, that was the FIRST thing that popped into my head when I read all
that, but I decided to reply seriously, to avoid any furthur attacks on my
penis. Thank you for being a sensible woman Karen!! It's refreshing!!
PJamHed
<mra...@spamumichshield.edu> writes:
> In this case, empowering
>"women in general" by denegrating those women who have a specific talent
>(beauty).
hahaha Rai, you're a funny guy Rai - Making beauty is a talent - Being Beauty
is LUCKY.
dana
blues02
pja...@aol.com (PJamHed) wrote:
> In article <39D97784...@spamumichshield.edu>, Rai
> <mra...@spamumichshield.edu> writes:
>
> >"women in general" by denegrating those women who have a specific
talent
> >(beauty).
>
Being Beauty
> is LUCKY.
>
so what's the point? What's wrong with being beautiful?
ala...@my-deja.com
Rai <mra...@spamumichshield.edu> wrote:
> Karen wrote:
>
> > <<Yup, feminism gone bad. Fuckhead. Woman-hater.>>
> >
> > Man...on the rag?
>
> hahahahahaha!!
> Oh man, that was the FIRST thing that popped into my head when I read
all
> that, but I decided to reply seriously, to avoid any furthur attacks
on my
> penis. Thank you for being a sensible woman Karen!! It's
refreshing!!
Yes, let's make fun of menstruation! It's so funny! Girls are stupid!
I know, let's build a treehouse and not let them in!
>
> --
> Rai
>
> "I never end my messages with a damn quote."
>
>
blues02
ala...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <39D9F6CA...@spamumichshield.edu>,
> Rai <mra...@spamumichshield.edu> wrote:
> > Karen wrote:
> >
> > > <<Yup, feminism gone bad. Fuckhead. Woman-hater.>>
> > >
> > > Man...on the rag?
> >
> > hahahahahaha!!
> > Oh man, that was the FIRST thing that popped into my head when I
read
> all
> > that, but I decided to reply seriously, to avoid any furthur attacks
> on my
> > penis. Thank you for being a sensible woman Karen!! It's
> refreshing!!
>
> Yes, let's make fun of menstruation! It's so funny! Girls are
stupid!
> I know, let's build a treehouse and not let them in!
Jesus....
Karen
I'm soooo surprised that you of all people would be so narrow minded on
the modeling issue.
I would wager that many,many models choose that as a career choice
because it s a way 'they' enjoy making a great living.
I'm quite certain that other things in their lives besides their career
credit them for being a worthwhile,contributing human.
Is a persons "career" what dictates to you what type of person they
are?
Albeit I think in many cases it will give one a clue,but one shouldnt
judge another by the career they choose,imo,of course:)
There are tons of beautiful people with tons of shit,shallow
jobs...what are they?..unfortunate?
maybe...lazy? uneducated??...what?we dont really know, so we shouldnt
judge.
For many years I had to tolerate being judged by my job,its very
unfair!
I'm a great mom(I was a single mom for eight years),
a very caring person that helps others on a regular basis.I have been
judged and put down by many woman that couldn't make the positive
differences that i have in peoples lives if they had ten lifetimes to do
it in.
I think that its whats in ones heart that makes them,not their looks or
their job
___
"There is no such thing as better. There is no such thing as worse. They
are our creations, and they dance for our pleasure with our moral
inventions serving as the staff in our palace of lies."
_Enochias Discordia-4/6/00
___
Karen
: )Thanks.
What I dont get is that many here are the first to say don't judge by
looks,color,little tits,fat....etc,etc.But yet it seems to be ok for
them to judge ...hmmm
As far as Ed and satan's bed...so,its a song.
Who ever said that pjs songs are their laws?
obviously many of their songs are from the heart,but whos to say what
was going on in their life,mind,heart at the time they were
written.Things change,life goes on
Karen
know, let's build a treehouse and not let them in!>
LOL...
I bet you didnt mean that to be funny,but i thought it was!
When I read the anger post to rai,I couldnt help but
think...damn,sounds like soeones on the rag.sorry.
I know i get pretty bitchy and bossy and confusing that time of the
month.Well,to be honest it doesnt take me being on the rag for that at
times .
The treehouse idea is a good one,I'll let my hubby know
Sam Morris
>as long as no one starts yoko ono-ing on us...
Is there another definition of the the verb "to Yoko Ono" that I'm not
aware of?
-Sam
In article <8rcr1r$8ap$1...@news.netmar.com>,
liz...@clubved.com wrote:
> LOL!!!
> "sometimes it may seem like i'm talking in circles but sooner or
later you'll
> find that there's a point..."
>
> lizzie...
> i think you missed my point. thanks for the laugh, anyway. (i'm
trying to
> figure out where i said that yoko broke up the beatles.)
Sam Morris
Devil.
-Sam
> Or maybe, just maybe, Ed is TURNING INTO DAVID LEE ROTH!!!!!!!!
> Models, groopies, sex, drugs, rock and roll.
>
blues02
karend...@webtv.net (Karen) wrote:
> <Thank you for being a sensible woman Karen!! It's refreshing!!>
>
> : )Thanks.
> What I dont get is that many here are the first to say don't judge by
> looks,color,little tits,fat....etc,etc.But yet it seems to be ok for
> them to judge ...hmmm
> As far as Ed and satan's bed...so,its a song.
> Who ever said that pjs songs are their laws?
> obviously many of their songs are from the heart,but whos to say what
> was going on in their life,mind,heart at the time they were
> written.Things change,life goes on
Very true. But now you make me think i'm wrong for calling Metallica
sellouts for changing so drastically from thier earlier ideals. :)
>
>
Karen
live up to everything he's ever said in his entire life?? Hell no!
Remember the quote from '96..."If anything were to happen to you guys, I
don't think I'd be able to go on as a band." 2000, "something"
happened to the crowd and Roskilde, and there was the automatic "HOLY
SHIT! Eddie SAID that they would break up if people died at the show,
so it MUST BE TRUE!!!!" Bullshit....Eddie says things, because,
again, he's not a God, he's just a guy who'se really good at enunciating
his feelings. He wrote Satan's Bed at least six years ago...you don't
think things can change?? And MORE importantly, I always assumed that
the song was saying that Eddie didn't like shallow women. You're
basing your appraisal of his renigging on the message of that song on
the stereotype that all beautiful women are shallow. That's a bad
assumption to be making..>>
::cheers & whistles::
Sam Morris
Metallica are sellouts...one COULD say that Lars is a complete sellout
and overall capitalist shithead.
But that's just how I feel about it.
-Sam
PS- And when I say capitalist shithead...I do realize that at least 85%
of Americans are capitalists...many of whom are also shitheads.
> Very true. But now you make me think i'm wrong for calling Metallica
> sellouts for changing so drastically from thier earlier ideals. :)
liz...@clubved.com
Well, Sam...
you should have asked for a definition or explanation before you went on to
write your post about the beatles. it's pretty well known that yoko caused
major turmoil within the band and within their fans. friction. unease. she
was a major influence on john.
i would hate to see someone cause the same kind of friction or turmoil with
Pearl Jam. i'm not saying that anyone is... i'm just saying as long as no one
does that... it's none of our concern. it would suck if that happened.
lizzie...
In article <8rdcpk$abf$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Sam Morris <smor...@utk.edu>
writes:
>
>>as long as no one starts yoko ono-ing on us...
>
>Is there another definition of the the verb "to Yoko Ono" that I'm not
>aware of?
>
>-Sam
>
>In article <8rcr1r$8ap$1...@news.netmar.com>,
> liz...@clubved.com wrote:
>> LOL!!!
>> "sometimes it may seem like i'm talking in circles but sooner or
>later you'll
>> find that there's a point..."
>>
>> lizzie...
>> i think you missed my point. thanks for the laugh, anyway. (i'm
>trying to
>> figure out where i said that yoko broke up the beatles.)
>
>
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>stupid!
>> I know, let's build a treehouse and not let them in!
>
LOL, my thoughts exactly
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