Is this correct about fan club tix
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-Note: Current Pearl Jam 10-club members will have the opportunity to
pre-order two tickets per show for the US tour; information regarding the
procedure for doing so will be mailed out this week. -
Two per show. It's usually 2 for one show. I hope this is not a typo.
alan
Chaim
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We'll see. They DID say they were doing things differently this year...
-Chaim
Lackamoo82
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JohnG
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> i'm think i'm actually going to shit my pants if we can get 2 per show :-)
>
It would be unbelievable. I don't want to say anymore lest I jinx it.
John
Vin
>>
>
>It would be unbelievable. I don't want to say anymore lest I jinx it.
>
no it would be really shitty, go ask the dave matthews band newsgroup
how good their tickets usually are. for instance for msg, instead of
having 2000 ticket requests you might end up with 10,000.
which means
A. your chances of getting -good- seats are now extremely slim
B. not every order can be fulfilled by the fanclub, unless of course
they reserve the entire arena.
C. senority will go out the window because there won't be
any reason for someone new to join the club as they will always
get passed over
changing the system will ruin everything. i'd be all for giving
people the opportunity to get a pair of tickets to two shows
but only get senority status at one of the shows they pick. but
if its anything like dmb where you can get tickets to five shows
per LEG. fuck that
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Moses Brown
yeah, but tenclub isn't warehouse. warehouse you pay $30 a year just for
the CHANCE to order tickets.
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Vin
>the CHANCE to order tickets.
i dont see your point, this isn't about whether the fanclub will be
worth it or not, its about whether new ticket policies will be for the
better or worse.
change the policy and most of us will be getting shit seats to several
shows instead of good seats to one show. i can get shit seats on my own,
i don't need the fanclub for that. i can't believe you guys think
its a good thing that the fanclub may be fulfilling multiple show
requests, its the worst thing they could possibly do.
musicdude
> no it would be really shitty, go ask the dave matthews band newsgroup
> how good their tickets usually are. for instance for msg, instead of
> having 2000 ticket requests you might end up with 10,000.
> which means
>
> A. your chances of getting -good- seats are now extremely slim
> B. not every order can be fulfilled by the fanclub, unless of course
> they reserve the entire arena.
> C. senority will go out the window because there won't be
> any reason for someone new to join the club as they will always
> get passed over
>
> changing the system will ruin everything. i'd be all for giving
> people the opportunity to get a pair of tickets to two shows
> but only get senority status at one of the shows they pick. but
> if its anything like dmb where you can get tickets to five shows
> per LEG. fuck that
>
>
Vin is right - though Pearl Jam is not nearly as big as Dave Matthews
anymore.
musicdude
> i dont see your point, this isn't about whether the fanclub will be
> worth it or not, its about whether new ticket policies will be for the
> better or worse.
>
> change the policy and most of us will be getting shit seats to several
> shows instead of good seats to one show. i can get shit seats on my own,
> i don't need the fanclub for that. i can't believe you guys think
> its a good thing that the fanclub may be fulfilling multiple show
> requests, its the worst thing they could possibly do.
>
There is only one reason they are doing it too...
MONEY. They will, in the end, sell many more tickets to all the shows and
get the convenience fees that Ticketmaster would have gotten. I bet they
sell double as many tickets this way.
MikeCass77
This is great that i can get 10club seats to all these shows.
Matt Aucoin
>This is great that i can get 10club seats to all these shows.
you and 5,000 other people...Vin's right, if this policy is in effect, it's
gonna make getting good seats from the Ten Club a much harder draw
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Vin
>This is great that i can get 10club seats to all these shows.
you're pretty slow huh?
MikeCass77
then great seats for 1 show. However, The two people running the 10Club have
been around music a long time and have some pretty impressive backgrounds and
have had input in some high profile music events/summits. I'm pretty sure they
have their shit together and will reward senior members in some way. I've been
a member since 95 and am thrilled about this change in poilicy. I guess we will
have to wait and see.
Vin
>then great seats for 1 show.
more like good seats to one show, crappy seats to three shows, and
no seats to the other three shows. there's only so many tickets the fanclub can
put aside. for a show like msg there will be minimum five to ten times
more requests. so what happens?
1. tenclub reserves the same amount of tickets as usual (2,000) and 80 to 90%
of tenclub requests don't get filled. nice
2. tenclub triples their ticket alottment, reserves 6000 tickets like
the warehouse does for dmb, except obviously most are not good/great seats.
now, not only do you still have a 50% chance of not getting tickets through
the fanclub, but even if you do you've only got a 10-20% chance of getting
anything but shit seats. seats that you could have gotten through ticketmaster
on your own.
so what happened is you traded a system where you got virtually guaranteed
great seats to any one show of your choosing in exchange for a ticketmaster
clone where if you're incredibly lucky you'll get good seats to maybe one or
two shows. people get LAWN TICKETS as fanclub tickets with dmb. LAWN.
musicdude
He is right right right.
However - if they keep the tickets WILL CALL this will eliminate scalpers.
Also, many scalpers don't have Ten Club memberships since it was will call
in 2000 and it was scalper proof (or almost).
I would guess that if it's will call, most shows won't get more than 1.5 -
2X as many requests. The average Pearl Jam ten club member probably goes to
2 shows per tour (thats pushing it) which means they still could give us all
great seats.
They also said specifically they are planning to give ten club members best
seats in thouse still...of course, "best" will be in comparison to
ticketmaster seats...still can be bad seats.
The real problem is if they mail the tickets. If they mail the tickets AND
go by seniority then you will have all sorts of "psuedo" scalpers who have
1992-1996 memberships and request just about every show and get all the
great seats.
I hope they are smart enough to go will call.
Dawn
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i think they are. tenclub isn't that organized. look how long it takes
them to mail out the christmas single and newsletters. if they can't even
do that on time there is no way they can undertake ticket mailings.
- dawn
>
Vin
>
>However - if they keep the tickets WILL CALL this will eliminate scalpers.
>Also, many scalpers don't have Ten Club memberships since it was will call
>in 2000 and it was scalper proof (or almost).
-whatever-. the will call policy did absolutely nothing to real scalpers,
when do scalpers generally sell most of their tickets? between 3:00
and 7:30 assuming the show starts at 7:30. What was the earliest you
could pick up your fanclub tickets last time? Was it noon? Wow, those
scalpers really got fucked. And for brokers, they routinely sell
tickets without even knowing the row or seat numbers. Look up tickets
for dmb at rcmh, you can already buy tickets, $3,900 for a random pair
in the first 15 rows. This is the same thing except the client picks
up his tickets three months before the show instead of the day of the
show. big deal, broker still sells all his tickets, easily.
All that will call policy did was inconvenience fans, having to wait
until the day of the show to find out where they were sitting.
The only way to put a dent in the scalpers business is to set up
a system for fanclub tickets where when you order your tickets you
have to provide your name and address and the person who's using
the other tickets name and address. Then when you pick up the tickets
at will call there's a number on the ticket or they give you a bracelet
with a number on it so when you enter the venue at the fanclub only
entrance they can punch in the number and pull up both names and
addresses for the tickets, show ID to confirm and in you go.
>I would guess that if it's will call, most shows won't get more than 1.5 -
>2X as many requests. The average Pearl Jam ten club member probably goes to
>2 shows per tour (thats pushing it) which means they still could give us all
>great seats.
i guarantee you scalpers will EAT THIS UP, and order tickets to as
many shows as they can and they'll sell every fucking one of them.
and the average ten club member goes to more than two shows per tour,
there's even more incentive now because everyone seems to think
they'll get great seats at 5 shows!
>The real problem is if they mail the tickets. If they mail the tickets AND
>go by seniority then you will have all sorts of "psuedo" scalpers who have
>1992-1996 memberships and request just about every show and get all the
>great seats.
i hope they go by senority too, but face it, if they go by senority
then there's virtually no point for anyone to join the fanclub
anymore, just like there's no point to join the warehouse for dmb.
i joined in the hopes of having a chance of getting tickets on their
tour because they eliminated seniority this time around, otherwise
i wouldn't have wasted my money.
>I hope they are smart enough to go will call.
changes nothing
Moses Brown
You mentioned the DMB and how badly their ticketing system is. I am
saying that TENCLUB is handled way better than Warehouse ever thought
about being handled.
Warehouse is a lottery. The way the rumor pit reads is that they are
opening it up as a PRE SALE, not a lottery.
I would rather have average tickets to a couple of shows than good
tickets to one show and crap seats for the rest.
oshuns
Vin <m...@shoes.hurt> wrote in message
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> >> i'm think i'm actually going to shit my pants if we can get 2 per show
:-)
> >>
> >
> >It would be unbelievable. I don't want to say anymore lest I jinx it.
> >
>
>
> no it would be really shitty, go ask the dave matthews band newsgroup
> how good their tickets usually are. for instance for msg, instead of
> having 2000 ticket requests you might end up with 10,000.
> which means
>
> A. your chances of getting -good- seats are now extremely slim
> B. not every order can be fulfilled by the fanclub, unless of course
> they reserve the entire arena.
> C. senority will go out the window because there won't be
> any reason for someone new to join the club as they will always
> get passed over
this is exactly what i thought when i saw them announce that. im not down.
s
oshuns
dude, when it comes to their fan club members they are.
s
>
>
>
oshuns
Vin <m...@shoes.hurt> wrote in message
the only really fair way for them to pull this off is to still make fan club
members pick ONE show as their select fan club experience. that way, the
fan club seats are secured and not going to the same people throughout the
tour, and the pre-order tickets are still good. they should seperate the
fan club tix from the pre-order tix. i see no other way to honor the fans,
and the seniority.
s
>
Matt Aucoin
>then great seats for 1 show.
but if you're only going to 1 show (or 2), as I probably am, then I want great
seats for one of those shows
musicdude
> dude, when it comes to their fan club members they are.
>
>
Not true. PJ has 40K fan club members and dave 100K active I think. (I
think its closer to 200K)
Matt Aucoin
it was at around 60K for the 2000 tour according to Kat
Chaim
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>Date: Thu, Jan 23, 2003 6:13 PM
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>
>
>Vin <m...@shoes.hurt> wrote in message
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>> >> i'm think i'm actually going to shit my pants if we can get 2 per show
>:-)
>> >>
>> >
>> >It would be unbelievable. I don't want to say anymore lest I jinx it.
>> >
>>
>>
>> no it would be really shitty, go ask the dave matthews band newsgroup
>> how good their tickets usually are. for instance for msg, instead of
>> having 2000 ticket requests you might end up with 10,000.
>> which means
>>
>> A. your chances of getting -good- seats are now extremely slim
>> B. not every order can be fulfilled by the fanclub, unless of course
>> they reserve the entire arena.
>> C. senority will go out the window because there won't be
>> any reason for someone new to join the club as they will always
>> get passed over
>
>this is exactly what i thought when i saw them announce that. im not down.
It could be a mis-statement on the part of Sea or Kat. I think that if there
was going to be that drastic of a shift in fanclub ticket policy, there would
have been a more detailed announcement of it.
Until I get that detailed announcement, I am assuming that they meant two
tickets for one show.
Personally, I am pretty good at getting pretty nice seats for shows, and would
rather have great fanclubs for one show, and be on my own for the rest, than
have so-so seats for all of my shows through the fanclub.
This being said, if it is really "two tickets per show", than I think that many
people in here are over-reacting with their fears of getting terrible seats.
There are only about 50k tenclub members, and that's being generouos. Lets say
that each member goes to three shows (pretty generous). Okay, that's a bit
less than 3000 tickest per venue for fanclub members.
Essentially, the seats won't be as good as they were in previous years, but
they won't be BAD.
Now, of course, I would prefer the old system. But lets not start foaming at
the mouth until we have actual details, which should come to us in the next few
days.
We should also keep in mind that about a year or so back, Ticketmaster
announced new rules that said that fanclubs could only reserve up to 8 percent
of the venue surcharge-free. This means that if this "new tenclub procedure"
is, in fact, a reality, then the tenclub will have to forward TM service
charges to many of its members.
I find this to be HIGHLY unlikely.
-Chaim
Vin
say
>that each member goes to three shows (pretty generous). Okay, that's a bit
>less than 3000 tickest per venue for fanclub members.
3000 pairs, which works out to 6000 tickets.. i highly doubt the tenclub
can reserve 35% of the seats in the house, and even if that was
the case, there aren't 6000 good seats in an arena, there are
maybe 1000, of which a couple hundred are great seats.
>We should also keep in mind that about a year or so back, Ticketmaster
>announced new rules that said that fanclubs could only reserve up to 8 percent
>of the venue surcharge-free. This means that if this "new tenclub procedure"
>is, in fact, a reality, then the tenclub will have to forward TM service
>charges to many of its members.
or just be forced to decline a large percentage of requests for tickets
(aka seattle shows). either newer members get shafter or there's
a lottery and everyone gets shafted.
Melissa
that the 10C has about 20,000 members, give or take; Warehouse is leaps and
bounds more than that. Add to that their ticket policy, and that's what
produces the chaos. I don't think that this would be nearly as bad as you
think.
--Melissa
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musicdude
>
> it was at around 60K for the 2000 tour according to Kat
>
>
>
I heard the 40K number just a few months ago and between 2000 and 2003
numbers are going to go down, not up. People forget to renew...and we know
PJ isn't getting many new fans.
Vin
>that the 10C has about 20,000 members, give or take; Warehouse is leaps and
>bounds more than that. Add to that their ticket policy, and that's what
>produces the chaos. I don't think that this would be nearly as bad as you
>think.
i would bet the fanclub has 75,000 members, hell four of my friends joined
the fanclub since the last tour, which brings the number of people
i know who have a membership up to five. they say there was around 50-60K last
tour. we'll see what happens, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Vin
>numbers are going to go down, not up. People forget to renew...and we know
>PJ isn't getting many new fans.
you're crazy, numbers don't go down, they go up. pearl jams tours
are more successful year after year, there's always someone new
finding out about how you can get wicked seats to pearl jam,
some are casual fans, many are scalpers.
Nicholas E. Andrade
I totally agree, and just hope this is a mistatement.
Adios,
~Nick
JohnG
>
> However - if they keep the tickets WILL CALL this will eliminate scalpers.
> Also, many scalpers don't have Ten Club memberships since it was will call
> in 2000 and it was scalper proof (or almost).
>
> I would guess that if it's will call, most shows won't get more than 1.5 -
> 2X as many requests.
It definitely has to be will call. If it wasn't, this offer would be
playing right into the scalper's hands. I think they are opening up this
offer to knock the scalpers on their asses, frankly, so doing it any other
way wouldn't make any sense.
> The average Pearl Jam ten club member probably goes to
> 2 shows per tour (thats pushing it) which means they still could give us
all
> great seats.
>
I think you guys are overestimating how many shows the average person is
going to ask for. The people in this newsgroup *aren't* average fans, we're
Pearl Jam psychos. Some people don't feel the need to see any band more
than once or twice on a tour. We're not like that, obviously, but it
doesn't mean everyone is.
>
> The real problem is if they mail the tickets. If they mail the tickets
AND
> go by seniority then you will have all sorts of "psuedo" scalpers who have
> 1992-1996 memberships and request just about every show and get all the
> great seats.
>
> I hope they are smart enough to go will call.
>
There is no chance they don't do it through will call and will make everyone
show ID to get their seats the day of the show. NO CHANCE.
Regards,
John, who still thinks getting a chance to get tickets to every show for
face value and no hassle is a good thing.
bruce moore
>
> so what happened is you traded a system where you got virtually guaranteed
> great seats to any one show of your choosing in exchange for a
ticketmaster
> clone where if you're incredibly lucky you'll get good seats to maybe one
or
> two shows. people get LAWN TICKETS as fanclub tickets with dmb. LAWN.
>
>
to a dmb show, and it was my first year (and only year) as a warehouse
member. i personally havent heard of fanclub members getting lawn seats.. if
thats true, thats really shitty.
JohnG
> -whatever-. the will call policy did absolutely nothing to real scalpers,
> when do scalpers generally sell most of their tickets? between 3:00
> and 7:30 assuming the show starts at 7:30.
No, they don't and you have no basis to make such a claim. Big time
scalpers run brokerage business from offices in states where scalping is
legal so they can not only do their business way before the show is played
to maximize profits,(and minimize the number of tickets not sold) but they
also avoid any legal complications, too.
Small time/parking lot scalpers, who aren't the main problem in this whole
thing anyway, are the ones who work the lots and I don't see how having less
tickets available is going to help them in any way. Even if it did, those
guys aren't the ones moving the market.
However, if a person in the club orders 12 seats to 6 shows, that's 10 less
tickets that can get into a scalper's hand than last tour. It ten more
people do that, that's 100 less tickets that get in a scalpers hand.(and so
on, and so on) That is a bad thing only to a person NOT in the club who's
looking for tickets because the secondary supply market is going to be much
more limited this tour, therefore the scalper asking prices are going to be
higher.(lower supply, higher prices, but I don't think I need to give you an
economic lesson here)
But for the fan club member, they get to see whatever show they want for
being a loyal fan without the worry of having to pay over face value for it.
Granted, the seats aren't going to be awesome, but every fan can see
whatever show they want. That's *much* better than having 2 great seats to
one show and having to fight for tickets to other shows and, in some cases,
pay a broker an exorbitant price to do so.
My fan clubs seats from the 1998 and especially the 2000 tour were not
anything special but they got me in the door for face value! If they got
worse, I won't care because they weren't exactly amazing to being with and
now I can see whatever show I want and pay face value for it. In 2000,
getting my tickets together for the shows I saw took a lot time and a lot of
money.
Example: Last tour, I saw 5 shows. One of those shows I used the fan club.
For two other's, I got seats from TM and also was lucky enough to get
tickets through a person in here. For the last 2 shows I saw, I had to pay
scalpers huge amount of money. Now, for this tour, I will see 6 shows, not
have to work to get those tickets, and not pay any scalper a dime. I'm a
perfect example of a guy who had to use a scalper because I was forced to.
Now I won't. How is that not putting a dent in a scalper's business?
> And for brokers, they routinely sell
> tickets without even knowing the row or seat numbers. Look up tickets
> for dmb at rcmh, you can already buy tickets, $3,900 for a random pair
> in the first 15 rows.
1) Dave Matthews isn't Pearl Jam and, no offense to anyone in here, has
MUCH fewer fans.
2) I have never purchased a ticket through a broker unless I've seen a fax
of the ticket beforehand
3) For a person to drop $3,900 for tickets that don't have the seat numbers
listed is an idiot.
> The only way to put a dent in the scalpers business is to set up
> a system for fanclub tickets where when you order your tickets you
> have to provide your name and address and the person who's using
> the other tickets name and address. Then when you pick up the tickets
> at will call there's a number on the ticket or they give you a bracelet
> with a number on it so when you enter the venue at the fanclub only
> entrance they can punch in the number and pull up both names and
> addresses for the tickets, show ID to confirm and in you go.
>
Do you really think that's more convenient than how they currently are doing
it? Nice Vin, great idea!
>
> i guarantee you scalpers will EAT THIS UP, and order tickets to as
> many shows as they can and they'll sell every fucking one of them.
It will take a lot of work for them to do that. First off, if the scalper
isn't in the club, they can't get tickets. If they are in the club, they
will get two tickets to a show, which isn't exactly how they make their
money. On top of that, for those two tickets they would need to go to the
show, wait in line to pick up the seats, and then sell them. That's a pain
in the ass and will deter scalpers.
Scalpers like to have tickets in their hands months before a show, not the
day of a show.
> and the average ten club member goes to more than two shows per tour,
> there's even more incentive now because everyone seems to think
> they'll get great seats at 5 shows!
>
Do you realize how few people see more than 3 shows per tour? The people in
this group are the hardest core of Pearl Jam fans, therefore this isn't the
average sample.
>
> >I hope they are smart enough to go will call.
>
> changes nothing
This changes everything. If they don't go will call, this is a HUGE bonus
to scalpers. If they do go will call, which they certainly are going to do,
the scalpers are going to have a hard time getting their hands on tickets
and have less of a supply on top of that.
In summary, this might be shitty for the fan who sees only one Pearl Jam
show because they will not get great seats to the show they see. To PJ's
hard core fans, this is a huge bonus, because they can see as many shows as
they want at face value. I think PJ wants to support the hard core fan who
follows the band while they tour and it appears they are doing so.
My girlfriend and I are both in the fan club. Now we'll be able to get 4
seats to every show and go with friends who also like the band to each show
without ever having to deal with a scalper or the secondary market. I don't
see how that's a bad thing in any way.
John
JohnG
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> > I would rather have good seats for 6-8 shows
> >then great seats for 1 show.
>
> but if you're only going to 1 show (or 2), as I probably am, then I want
great
> seats for one of those shows
>
I won't deny the fact that this isn't a great deal or situation for a person
in the fan club who wants to see only one show and wants great seats for
that show.
As Cass said, for the person who wants to see multiple shows, this is a home
run. However, for a guy in your position, this policy switch is a pretty
big negative.
Regards,
John
JohnG
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>
> the only really fair way for them to pull this off is to still make fan
club
> members pick ONE show as their select fan club experience. that way, the
> fan club seats are secured and not going to the same people throughout the
> tour, and the pre-order tickets are still good. they should seperate the
> fan club tix from the pre-order tix. i see no other way to honor the
fans,
> and the seniority.
>
That's a GREAT idea. If they can pull that off, I would be psyched.(and
amazed)
John
JohnG
> you're crazy, numbers don't go down, they go up. pearl jams tours
> are more successful year after year,
Makes sense, because when a band sells significantly less records, they tend
to gain a lot of fans and people definitely make sure to not have their fan
club memberships lapse. Ô
Dude, you're nuts. I've spoken to over 10 people about Pearl Jam's tour in
the past 18 hours and 6 of those people were like, "I loved seeing them in
1996, didn't really enjoy them 1998, didn't bother in 2000, and have no
interest now."
That's not the exception to the rule, I think that's the norm. I'm getting
the feeling that a lot of people don't really care about Pearl Jam anymore.
Therefore, it would be my estimation that the PJ fan club has less members
now than it did in 1998-2000.
If that's the case, this new ticket policy is a bonus to the hard core fan.
John
Dawn
"Melissa" <melissa...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> You're also forgetting how much bigger Warehouse is than the 10C. I think
> that the 10C has about 20,000 members, give or take; Warehouse is leaps
and
> bounds more than that. Add to that their ticket policy, and that's what
> produces the chaos. I don't think that this would be nearly as bad as you
> think.
>
> --Melissa
>
for the seattle show lottery someone asked kat on the synergy bbs how many
tenclub members there were and her response was 40,000. she never clarified
if that was worldwide or only north america though. i'm guessing since
november there haven't been hordes of additional memberships added either.
so we are a *small* group : )
- dawn
Eddie Hill
"Vin" <m...@shoes.hurt> wrote in message
> >yeah, but tenclub isn't warehouse. warehouse you pay $30 a year just for
> >the CHANCE to order tickets.
>
> i dont see your point, this isn't about whether the fanclub will be
> worth it or not, its about whether new ticket policies will be for the
> better or worse.
>
> change the policy and most of us will be getting shit seats to several
> shows instead of good seats to one show. i can get shit seats on my own,
> i don't need the fanclub for that. i can't believe you guys think
> its a good thing that the fanclub may be fulfilling multiple show
> requests, its the worst thing they could possibly do.
>
it looks to me like pj are playing more shows (they're sure playing more
shows in my part of the country). are there enough fan club members to
really overload the shows like you're saying? i kinda have my doubts.
eddie
Eddie Hill
"Vin" <m...@shoes.hurt> wrote in message
> >I guess its a matter of opinion. I would rather have good seats for 6-8
shows
> >then great seats for 1 show.
>
> no seats to the other three shows. there's only so many tickets the
fanclub can
> put aside. for a show like msg there will be minimum five to ten times
> more requests. so what happens?
>
> 1. tenclub reserves the same amount of tickets as usual (2,000) and 80 to
90%
> of tenclub requests don't get filled. nice
>
> 2. tenclub triples their ticket alottment, reserves 6000 tickets like
> the warehouse does for dmb, except obviously most are not good/great
seats.
> now, not only do you still have a 50% chance of not getting tickets
through
> the fanclub, but even if you do you've only got a 10-20% chance of getting
> anything but shit seats. seats that you could have gotten through
ticketmaster
> on your own.
>
> great seats to any one show of your choosing in exchange for a
ticketmaster
> clone where if you're incredibly lucky you'll get good seats to maybe one
or
> two shows. people get LAWN TICKETS as fanclub tickets with dmb. LAWN.
>
>
they'll reserve more tickets and there are more shows. settle down.
eddie
>
>
>
>
Eddie Hill
> >Not true. PJ has 40K fan club members
>
> it was at around 60K for the 2000 tour according to Kat
>
don't worry, riot act and binaural will have weaned that down. =)
eddie
JohnG
news:H9832...@news.boeing.com...
>
> don't worry, riot act and binaural will have weaned that down. =)
>
I can actually taste the bitterness of this post.
John
Eddie Hill
"Vin" <m...@shoes.hurt> wrote in message
> >You're also forgetting how much bigger Warehouse is than the 10C. I think
> >that the 10C has about 20,000 members, give or take; Warehouse is leaps
and
> >bounds more than that. Add to that their ticket policy, and that's what
> >produces the chaos. I don't think that this would be nearly as bad as you
> >think.
>
>
> i would bet the fanclub has 75,000 members, hell four of my friends joined
> the fanclub since the last tour, which brings the number of people
> i know who have a membership up to five. t
crap! and if you know five that means everyone knows five. and there are
400 million people in canada and the US (all of them knowing five fan club
members), that must mean that there are 2 billion fan club members in north
america!!!
eddie
JohnG
>
> crap! and if you know five that means everyone knows five. and there are
> 400 million people in canada and the US (all of them knowing five fan club
> members), that must mean that there are 2 billion fan club members in
north
> america!!!
>
Vin's shoes are hurting him too much and it's clogging his head.
John
Eddie Hill
"JohnG" <john...@NOSPAMix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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i'm not bitter! easier for me to get seats! and there are some great songs
on binaural!
eddie
> John
>
>
Vin
>400 million people in canada and the US (all of them knowing five fan club
>members), that must mean that there are 2 billion fan club members in north
>america!!!
hehe fuck you man, it was an example thats there's still new interest
in pearl jam, i know less and less people who buy the albums, but
more and more people who go to the shows because one of their friends
went and said what a great time it was etc..
Vin
>> when do scalpers generally sell most of their tickets? between 3:00
>> and 7:30 assuming the show starts at 7:30.
>
>No, they don't and you have no basis to make such a claim. Big time
>scalpers run brokerage business from offices in states where scalping is
>legal so they can not only do their business way before the show is played
>to maximize profits,(and minimize the number of tickets not sold) but they
>also avoid any legal complications, too.
Heh.. hey john, *hint* maybe you should have read more than my first
paragraph. first paragraph = about scalpers. second paragraph = about brokers.
>However, if a person in the club orders 12 seats to 6 shows, that's 10 less
>tickets that can get into a scalper's hand than last tour.
Or john, it's 10 more tickets that get into a scalpers hand. Call a broker
and ask them what they think about this new policy, do it. They LOVE it,
and they'll sell ALL THEIR TICKETS will call or not. CALL
You've absolutely lost it, that is retarded logic you've got going
in this post.
>My fan clubs seats from the 1998 and especially the 2000 tour were not
>anything special but they got me in the door for face value!
My fanclubs got me third row in 1998 and first row in 2000, people
with senority (and there's a lot of us), don't give a damn about
"getting into the building", thats not terribly hard to do through
ticketmaster, whats difficult is getting tickets in the first 5-10
rows.
>> And for brokers, they routinely sell
>> tickets without even knowing the row or seat numbers. Look up tickets
>> for dmb at rcmh, you can already buy tickets, $3,900 for a random pair
>> in the first 15 rows.
>1) Dave Matthews isn't Pearl Jam and, no offense to anyone in here, has
>MUCH fewer fans.
John the point was that scalpers don't need to have a ticket to sell it,
if they sell "Pearl Jam - First 10 rows, floor $500 - pick up on day of show"
they'll still sell every ticket.
>2) I have never purchased a ticket through a broker unless I've seen a fax
>of the ticket beforehand
Thats you
>
>3) For a person to drop $3,900 for tickets that don't have the seat numbers
>listed is an idiot.
Happens everyday
>> The only way to put a dent in the scalpers business is to set up
>> a system for fanclub tickets where when you order your tickets you
>> have to provide your name and address and the person who's using
>> the other tickets name and address. Then when you pick up the tickets
>> at will call there's a number on the ticket or they give you a bracelet
>> with a number on it so when you enter the venue at the fanclub only
>> entrance they can punch in the number and pull up both names and
>> addresses for the tickets, show ID to confirm and in you go.
>>
>
>Do you really think that's more convenient than how they currently are doing
>it? Nice Vin, great idea!
no john, thats the only way to eliminate scalpers, OTHERWISE scalpers
will buy tickets to EVERY FUCKING SHOW POSSIBLE. They did it last tour,
I know a broker with 7 fan club memberships, guess what john? he
sold all his tickets last tour. This year he'll be able to get what?
70? 100 tickets? instead of only 14? awesome!!!!! He'll sell them all too.
>It will take a lot of work for them to do that. First off, if the scalper
>isn't in the club, they can't get tickets. If they are in the club, they
>will get two tickets to a show, which isn't exactly how they make their
>money. On top of that, for those two tickets they would need to go to the
>show, wait in line to pick up the seats, and then sell them. That's a pain
>in the ass and will deter scalpers.
>
>Scalpers like to have tickets in their hands months before a show, not the
>day of a show.
JOHN, have you lost your FUCKING MIND? I'm serious, I don't think a
post has frustrated me this much since a pre-bet Laurie post.
its like you're braindead today.
CALL ANY BROKER AND ASK THEM WHAT THEY THINK OF THE NEW POLICY,
WHETHER THEY'LL HAVE A HARD TIME MOVING THEIR TICKETS AND WHETHER
THEY SOLD ALL THEIR TICKETS LAST TOUR before you continue this
stupidity.
>This changes everything. If they don't go will call, this is a HUGE bonus
>to scalpers.
Yes, the bonus is its more convenient by mail, but that doesn't change
the fact that they can sell every single ticket they get from the fanclub
for far more than face value. Therefore the end result is that it changes
nothing.
>If they do go will call, which they certainly are going to do,
>the scalpers are going to have a hard time getting their hands on tickets
>and have less of a supply on top of that.
That makes no sense
smarten up, you're really talking out of your ass on this one
Laurie Hester
tickets to multiple shows via TM! This is great for the hard-core
fans. I do hope, though, that they reserve the first few rows and offer
each member one opportunity to see the band up close, maybe limit it to
those who live in the area... that way, it will please all fans, casual
and hard-core alike.
Laurie
--
Laurie
"Enough is enough... lay off her."
...On2Legs 12-10-2001
Vin
>shows in my part of the country). are there enough fan club members to
>really overload the shows like you're saying? i kinda have my doubts.
enough for me to go from first row tickets to 20th row? yes, especially
considering all the scalpers that have memberships on top of it.
Vin
says...
all i know is the fanclub area got considerably larger from the 1998
tour to the 2000 tour in montreal..im assuming its because there
were more ticket requests.. from 15 rows of the center section on
the floor to 23 rows. how do you explain it if the fan club population
is shrinking?
eh..
Vin
Carl
MUCH fewer fans.>>>
Why would people always assume that's offensive. DMB attracts so many non
music fans and people just showing up to be seen... it's terrible.. i have
never heard the roar of conversation during a show louder than at DMB concerts
i have been to... all these frat kids and sorority looking chicks running
around and talking the whole show its almost like being at a cubs game.
--
CjS
"If were all God's children.. then whats so special about Jesus?" Jimmy Carr
::SIGH::
Eddie Hill
"Vin" <m...@shoes.hurt> wrote in message
here, play this. i can't beat it on 'advanced'
Carl
tickets to multiple shows via TM! >>>
I remember steph getting hers at the window for a lot of shows. Credit card
cancelleations and the like... she sat in better seats than me at Alpine and
she just kept checking the window to see what best available was.
Vin
Carl
Eddie Hill
"Vin" <m...@shoes.hurt> wrote in message
> >
> >here, play this. i can't beat it on 'advanced'
> >
> >http://www.mazeworks.com/hex7/index.htm
>
> what is this othello? no thanks
othello? i don't know what that is.
whatever it is, it's HARD!
eddie
>
Carl
im terrible at that game... i didnt even beat beginner in 5 attempts...
Eddie Hill
that drove me to actually work, actually.
i got my report done now. =)
"Carl" <myday...@aol.comChaka> wrote in message
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musicdude
> you're crazy, numbers don't go down, they go up. pearl jams tours
> finding out about how you can get wicked seats to pearl jam,
> some are casual fans, many are scalpers.
>
>
You're simply wrong. We are not at the peak fan club
membership...membership peaked in 1995-1998.
musicdude
tend
to gain a lot of fans and people definitely make sure to not have their fan
club memberships lapse. Ô
Exactly.
musicdude
> for the seattle show lottery someone asked kat on the synergy bbs how many
> tenclub members there were and her response was 40,000. she never
clarified
> if that was worldwide or only north america though. i'm guessing since
> november there haven't been hordes of additional memberships added either.
> so we are a *small* group : )
>
Boolyah VIN.
Vin
eh i have no idea, all i know is that in 98 there were 25,000
members and i know this cos i asked, and everyone is saying
last tour there were anywhere from 40 to 60 thousand members
whatever, we could always just ask i guess
oshuns
Carl <myday...@aol.comChaka> wrote in message
> <<<Well said, John! You can't imagine how difficult it is to try and get
> tickets to multiple shows via TM! >>>
>
> I remember steph getting hers at the window for a lot of shows. Credit
card
> cancelleations and the like... she sat in better seats than me at Alpine
and
> she just kept checking the window to see what best available was.
> --
exactly. i learned a thing or two from 2000 tour. a show is never sold out
at a big venue, never. and dont buy crappy tickets. there is always
something better opening up at will call. some people dont feel secure going
to a show without a ticket, i had a ticket in hand for every show i was
at....but i would go without now, knowing what i know.
s
sheri
"Vin" <m...@shoes.hurt> wrote in message
there is no doubt in my mind that scalpers are totally gonna benefit from
this deal. real scalpers *and* fans who have no problem making a few extra
bucks off their other fan club ticket. we all know they exist.
--
sheri
Melissa
and has seen something like 15 dave shows. He refuses to go to shows anymore
until the teenybopper thing dies down. All of the talking, the constant
going back and forth, the cell phone calls, etc have driven him up a wall.
It prevents him from enjoying the concert experience. I've gone with him,
and I completely see what he means. We've had 4th row for dave before, and
you still get all these obnoxious people with no shame, stepping over seats
to try to get closer to the stage. I thank my lucky stars that PJ doesn't
attract that type of crowd at this point. With the exception of a requisite
"EDDDDDIE" chant for a few seconds, PJ crowds are by and large much more
respectful. With DMB right now, it's the cool thing to do. Ugh.
--Melissa (grateful that PJ isn't "cool")
"Carl" <myday...@aol.comChaka> wrote in message
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Saerah Bennett
>on binaural!
>
>eddie
hahaah that sexactly what i thought :>
Saerah
Mama to Eliana Aurora Ruth (April 30, 2002)
*entitlement hipmoo*
"Are we going to the same place? If so, can i come?"
"No!! Not the Tuesday surprise!!"