St. Judy's Comet
Han Roffelsen
Can anyone tell me something about St. Judy's Comet? Is it a real existing
comet? Is it from some kind of fairy tale? Or is it made up by PS?
I love the song.
Han Roffelsen
The Netherlands
Grvrmonstr
comet? Is it from some kind of fairy tale? Or is it made up by PS?
I love the song. >>
Someone in the band was named "St. Judy"
Keren
"Jump up, look around,
find yourself some fun,
no sense in sitting there hating everyone.
No man's an island and his castle isn't home,
the nest is for nothing when the bird has flown.''
-Ian Anderson (Jethro Tull)
Michael Aidulis
grvrm...@aol.com says...
> "Jump up, look around,
> find yourself some fun,
> no sense in sitting there hating everyone.
> No man's an island and his castle isn't home,
> the nest is for nothing when the bird has flown.''
> -Ian Anderson (Jethro Tull)
I find that to have intellectual appeal but scant emotional impact, and
too many words. Perhaps it requires the music to bring out its hidden
depth and beauty?
Michael
BKawalec
>too many words.
'Me & Julio' has too many words also. So what? It's the roots of rock and roll.
Bill
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"i cant tell where his sarcasm ends and reality begins."
Chris Stern
BKawalec wrote:
>
> >I find that to have intellectual appeal but scant emotional impact, and
> >too many words.
>
> 'Me & Julio' has too many words also. So what? It's the roots of rock and roll.
>
> Bill
The words of Me and Julio are used as rhythm as much as anything so
Bill is right.
Chris
To analyse pleasure is to destroy it.
BKawalec
So true. Someone once commented to me that Pau;l Simon and Sting always cram a
lot of words into their songs. Thinking about this, I came to the realization
that this goes to the very roots of rock'n'roll. Remember Chuck Berry's "check
the tires, check the oil, wipe the windows, dollar gas," or Little Richard's
"I'm gonna tell Aunt Mary 'bout Uncle John (then so many words in the next line
i never could understand it)". Taking this a step further, just imagine Chuck
Berry singing "Me & Julio". It could happen, and it could sound just like a
Chuck Berry song...
Bill
Joey Berger
>>The words of Me and Julio are used as rhythm as much as anything
>
>
>So true. Someone once commented to me that Pau;l Simon and Sting always cram a
>lot of words into their songs. Thinking about this, I came to the realization
>that this goes to the very roots of rock'n'roll. Remember Chuck Berry's "check
>the tires, check the oil, wipe the windows, dollar gas," or Little Richard's
>"I'm gonna tell Aunt Mary 'bout Uncle John (then so many words in the next line
>i never could understand it)". Taking this a step further, just imagine Chuck
>Berry singing "Me & Julio". It could happen, and it could sound just like a
>Chuck Berry song...
>
Or the part in Mabelline about the Cadillac on top of the hill. I
never quiet got that part, but it was always (and still is) fun to
sing along!
There's a short, bald Jewish guy who might be able to provide some
insight here. He sang about the roots of rhythm - well *these* are the
roots of rhythm (and they remain!). Also, remember that songwriting is
NOT poetry - it's not meant to be spoken, it's meant to be sung - so
don't judge a song by the amount of words it has. Then again, that
bald guy *did* say that Graceland was 'too wordy' for the Everlys, so
to be honest with you, I have no idea what I'm talking about - not a
first, I'm sure!
>
>
>
>Bill
>
>Join Project Cracker:
>http://www.thecreamwillrise.com/sophie/index.html
>
>"i cant tell where his sarcasm ends and reality begins."
>
>
>
Joey Berger
joeyb...@hotmail.com
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Hey Capeman! The Paul Simon Site:
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Michel Couzijn
>>'Me & Julio' has too many words also.
>
>Reminds me of that "too many notes" line in Amadeus.
Or "too many holes in the crust of the earth". I read it in some pop
musician's lyrics somewhere.
Michel Couzijn
Amsterdam, The Netherlands
BKawalec
>NOT poetry - it's not meant to be spoken, it's meant to be sung -
As a generalization this is true, although the two occassioanlly cross at some
point.
Joey Berger
>>Also, remember that songwriting is
>>NOT poetry - it's not meant to be spoken, it's meant to be sung -
>
>
>As a generalization this is true, although the two occassioanlly cross at some
>point.
>
>
>
>Bill
>
Naturally, as Derek Walcott said, the opening lines to Graceland are
great lines of verse, but, had they sounded bad when sung, Paul
would've ultimately cut them. Songs *can* be poems, but are generally
not, I would imagine.
Michael Aidulis
says...
> On 25 Feb 1999 01:22:18 GMT, bkaw...@aol.comb (BKawalec) wrote:
>
> >>The words of Me and Julio are used as rhythm as much as anything
Yes yes yes, the words can sometimes define the rhythm, as in Me & Julio.
That's partly why I didn't condemn the piece outright. I'd need to hear
the music to do that :-) But anyway, Me & Julio doesn't have "too many"
words as someone said. It has the *right* amount of words for the
atmosphere of the song. The rapid-fire consonants contribute to the
humour.
> Or the part in Mabelline about the Cadillac on top of the hill. I
> never quiet got that part, but it was always (and still is) fun to
> sing along!
Mabelline is densely worded (and effectively so), which leads on to my
point. The density of words has an effect on the emotion being conveyed.
It's just one factor when writing the lyrics - deciding how "busy" to
make them. Take "Was A Sunny Day" for example. The lyrics are slow and
lazy; relatively few words. Perfect for a lazy West Indian feel.
Mabelline is a song of exasperation, wondering when his girlfriend will
stop playing games with his heart. When people are exasperated they talk
fast, hence the fast tempo and the quite amazing amount of words in each
line. (I still can't make them all out.)
> There's a short, bald Jewish guy who might be able to provide some
> insight here.
I fail to see how Woody Allen can contribute to this discussion. ;-)
> e sang about the roots of rhythm - well *these* are the
> roots of rhythm (and they remain!). Also, remember that songwriting is
> NOT poetry - it's not meant to be spoken, it's meant to be sung - so
> don't judge a song by the amount of words it has.
I can judge a song however I like, and I think this one has too many
words. :-) Songs, poems, does anybody know what they are or what they are
"supposed" to be? Everyone I've met has a different definition. Perhaps
you are right. It can be very unfair to judge a lyric without the music.
> Then again, that
> bald guy *did* say that Graceland was 'too wordy' for the Everlys, so
> to be honest with you, I have no idea what I'm talking about - not a
> first, I'm sure!
Thanks, you saved me pointing that out. Points to Joey. Of course there
are always exceptions to the word density rule, so don't bother posting
all the ones you are currently thinking up. ;-) I tend to use it in my
songs though.
Michael
Margaret Deering
To answer the question!!....
As far as I know, Paul wrote this song for his son Harper. I don't think
there is actually a St. Judy's comet - it just sounded good in the song.
My favourite line is :
"Well, if I can't sing my boy to sleep
It makes your famous Daddy look so dumb"
Margaret
Han Roffelsen wrote in message
<01be5fc9$66b5ac80$02d2...@W-hrl-A01055.OUH.NL>...
>Hi,
>
>Can anyone tell me something about St. Judy's Comet? Is it a real existing
>comet? Is it from some kind of fairy tale? Or is it made up by PS?
>I love the song.
>
>Han Roffelsen
>The Netherlands
Cathy Friedmann
>Or the part in Mabelline about the Cadillac on top of the hill. I
>never quiet got that part,
Oh, good, so I'm not the only one.
but it was always (and still is) fun to
>sing along!
>There's a short, bald Jewish guy who might be able to provide some
>insight here. He sang about the roots of rhythm - well *these* are the
>roots of rhythm (and they remain!). Also, remember that songwriting is
>NOT poetry - it's not meant to be spoken, it's meant to be sung - so
>don't judge a song by the amount of words it has. Then again, that
>bald guy *did* say that Graceland was 'too wordy' for the Everlys, so
>to be honest with you, I have no idea what I'm talking about - not a
>first, I'm sure!
>Joey Berger
This same guy also said (on TV - Behind the Music, maybe???) that a part of
Graceland is too wordy - too crowded w/ syllables, and that if he were to do
it over, he'd change it: "I'm looking at ghosts and empty sockets, I'm
looking at ghosts and empties." It *is* squished in, but still, I've always
liked that line. Cathy
Cathy Friedmann
Margaret Deering wrote in message <7b4gja$t97$1...@scotty.tinet.ie>...
>Hi,
>To answer the question!!....
>As far as I know, Paul wrote this song for his son Harper. I don't think
>there is actually a St. Judy's comet - it just sounded good in the song.
>My favourite line is :
>"Well, if I can't sing my boy to sleep
>It makes your famous Daddy look so dumb"
>Margaret
He did write it for Harper, and said that he considered striking out that
line of St. Judy's Comet, thinking it would reek of conceit. But decided to
keep it in, for the humor. I'm glad he kept it in! Re: St. Judy's comet -
no such real comet - someone else mentioned earlier that it was named after
another musician Paul admired. I also heard an interview, where Paul was
asked why he didn't write more songs about Harper. He said that it was
because the songs would've been horribly sugar-sweet because all he could
think of was along the lines of, "I love you, I love you so much I can't
stand it!" Cathy
WScott2805
<marg...@tinet.ie> writes:
>To answer the question!!....
>As far as I know, Paul wrote this song for his son Harper. I don't think
>there is actually a St. Judy's comet - it just sounded good in the song.
This is the problem with this song; what is meant by St Judy's comet. I think
it is helpful to think of the song as political in intent. On a superficial
level it is simply a lullaby to his son. However, think of the "little sleepy
boy" representing a society in crisis; one which is "fading fast". A comet was
a common metaphor for revolution from the mid 19th century, if not before. The
comet thus represents the coming revolution. Why St Judy? Saint is, of course,
Christian in origin, while Jude is German for Jew. It is no coincidence that
Karl Marx, the founder of Communism, was from a German Jewish family which had
converted to Christianity.
Wes
The post office has been stolen
and the mailbox is locked
Chris Stern
St Judy's Comet was written for his son. End of story. Do you see
political content in the Tales of Beatrix Potter?
Maybe you think to much
Chris
Kid Loops
>it is helpful to think of the song as political in intent. On a superficial
>level it is simply a lullaby to his son. However, think of the "little sleepy
>boy" representing a society in crisis; one which is "fading fast". A comet
>was
>a common metaphor for revolution from the mid 19th century, if not before.
>The
>comet thus represents the coming revolution. Why St Judy? Saint is, of
>course,
>Christian in origin, while Jude is German for Jew. It is no coincidence that
>Karl Marx, the founder of Communism, was from a German Jewish family which
>had
>converted to Christianity.
Have you by any chance ever seen an old British gameshow called "3 2 1"?
Kid Loops
>Graceland is too wordy - too crowded w/ syllables, and that if he were to do
>it over, he'd change it: "I'm looking at ghosts and empty sockets, I'm
>looking at ghosts and empties." It *is* squished in, but still, I've always
>liked that line.
As I remember it Paul said there were too many words for the Everly Brothers to
sing, as its not their style to rattle off words machine gun-like.
BKawalec
>
>St Judy's Comet was written for his son. End of story. Do you see
>political content in the Tales of Beatrix Potter?
Don't encourage him!
;-)
Gergo Barany
You think WAY too much. "St. Judy's Comet" is a lullaby. It looks like
you're the communist, not Paul.
Gergo
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> another musician Paul admired.
Chienier, who is also mentioned in That was your mother
I also heard an interview, where Paul was
> asked why he didn't write more songs about Harper. He said that it was
> because the songs would've been horribly sugar-sweet because all he could
> think of was along the lines of, "I love you, I love you so much I can't
> stand it!" Cathy
>
>How SWEET!!!
BTW, 50 Ways came from a rhyming game that harper used to play with his
dad (is it any wonder the man is called Rhymin' Simon?? :)
Mel Pearce
>
>BTW, 50 Ways came from a rhyming game that harper used to play with his
>dad (is it any wonder the man is called Rhymin' Simon?? :)
Right. On Storytellers Paul told the audience that he wrote it to try
to teach Harper simple rhyming:
You just slip out the back, Jack
Make a new plan, Stan
You don't need to be coy, Roy
Just get yourself free
Hop on the bus, Gus
You don't need to discuss much
Just drop off the key, Lee
And get yourself free
Mel
Thou shalt smile and have a nice day -
it frustrates those who have other plans for thee.
Mel Pearce
>
>Have you by any chance ever seen an old British gameshow called "3 2 1"?
PLEASE - let's not into that banality.
Cathy Friedmann
WScott2805 wrote in message
<19990226021713...@ngol02.aol.com>...
>In article <7b4gja$t97$1...@scotty.tinet.ie>, "Margaret Deering"
><marg...@tinet.ie> writes:
>
>>To answer the question!!....
>>As far as I know, Paul wrote this song for his son Harper. I don't think
>>there is actually a St. Judy's comet - it just sounded good in the song.
>
think
>it is helpful to think of the song as political in intent. On a superficial
>level it is simply a lullaby to his son. However, think of the "little
sleepy
>boy" representing a society in crisis; one which is "fading fast". A comet
was
>a common metaphor for revolution from the mid 19th century, if not before.
The
>comet thus represents the coming revolution. Why St Judy? Saint is, of
course,
>Christian in origin, while Jude is German for Jew. It is no coincidence
that
>Karl Marx, the founder of Communism, was from a German Jewish family which
had
>converted to Christianity.
You've done a lot of thinking about this one, but...sorry, it really was
just a lullaby for his son Harper, pure & simple - no deep meanings to this
one. "Maybe I think too much for my own good, some people say so..." Cathy
Joey Berger
>In article <7b4gja$t97$1...@scotty.tinet.ie>, "Margaret Deering"
><marg...@tinet.ie> writes:
>
>>To answer the question!!....
>>As far as I know, Paul wrote this song for his son Harper. I don't think
>>there is actually a St. Judy's comet - it just sounded good in the song.
>
>This is the problem with this song; what is meant by St Judy's comet. I think
From the horse's mouth (Paul Simon 1964/1993 book, p.23):
"I wrote it [St. Judy's Comet] as a lullaby for my son, Harper....
There's no real St. Judy's Comet. I took the title from the drummer
for Clifton Chenier who's name is Robert St. Judy."
Thus, it can be stated that St. Judy is not some messed reference to
Karl Marx, who I'm sure would have been none-too-pleased by being
referred to as a Saint. Then again, there are those say that Marxism
is a millenarian religion, so maybe Karl Marx is the first woman saint
of Marxism.
>it is helpful to think of the song as political in intent. On a superficial
>level it is simply a lullaby to his son. However, think of the "little sleepy
>boy" representing a society in crisis; one which is "fading fast". A comet was
Or maybe, just maybe, it's symbolic of a little kid, who's got to go
to bed, because he's fadin fast (asleep, d-uh).
>a common metaphor for revolution from the mid 19th century, if not before. The
>comet thus represents the coming revolution. Why St Judy? Saint is, of course,
>Christian in origin, while Jude is German for Jew. It is no coincidence that
>Karl Marx, the founder of Communism, was from a German Jewish family which had
>converted to Christianity.
Didn't Marx's family convert to Christianity for political reasons? I
thought that they still maintained their Jewish beliefs and practices
in private.
>
>Wes
>
>The post office has been stolen
>and the mailbox is locked
Joey Berger
AFox
WScott2805 wrote:
> In article <7b4gja$t97$1...@scotty.tinet.ie>, "Margaret Deering"
> <marg...@tinet.ie> writes:
>
> >To answer the question!!....
> >As far as I know, Paul wrote this song for his son Harper. I don't think
> >there is actually a St. Judy's comet - it just sounded good in the song.
>
> This is the problem with this song; what is meant by St Judy's comet. I think
> it is helpful to think of the song as political in intent. On a superficial
> level it is simply a lullaby to his son. However, think of the "little sleepy
> boy" representing a society in crisis; one which is "fading fast". A comet was
> a common metaphor for revolution from the mid 19th century, if not before. The
> comet thus represents the coming revolution. Why St Judy? Saint is, of course,
> Christian in origin, while Jude is German for Jew. It is no coincidence that
> Karl Marx, the founder of Communism, was from a German Jewish family which had
> converted to Christianity.
>
Mel Pearce
JB0074MI6
>> >As far as I know, Paul wrote this song for his son Harper. I don't think
>> >there is actually a St. Judy's comet - it just sounded good in the song.
>>
>> This is the problem with this song; what is meant by St Judy's comet. I
>think
>> it is helpful to think of the song as political in intent. On a superficial
>> level it is simply a lullaby to his son. However, think of the "little
>sleepy
>> boy" representing a society in crisis; one which is "fading fast". A comet
>was
>> a common metaphor for revolution from the mid 19th century, if not before.
>The
>> comet thus represents the coming revolution. Why St Judy? Saint is, of
>course,
>> Christian in origin, while Jude is German for Jew. It is no coincidence
>that
>> Karl Marx, the founder of Communism, was from a German Jewish family which
>had
>> converted to Christianity.
>>
>> Wes
Wes,
I think Paul wrote a song just for you...."Think To Much".
With that sort of logic you might think the song BINGO would represent the
loss of the small family farm ("Wingo was its name") by corporations ("Was a
farmer") with each verse there is less and less Bingo and by the end of the
song the dog and the small family farmer have been erased.
Now Bingo could be a commentary on agribusiness in the 20th century or it could
be a song kids like to sing. I think the second one is true.
Ken from Illinois who has seen a lot of people forced out of small time
farming.
Michael Aidulis
says...
When it's 3am and you have a sudden desire for a McChicken Sandwich.
Michael
Mel Pearce
In that case, I have been!
Mel
Stress: A psychologically damaging condition
resulting from the conscious suppression of
the biological need to choke the living shit
out of some arsehole who really deserves it.
WScott2805
>
>Are you completely fucked?????
>
Dear Mr Fox
You inquired whether or not I was completely exhausted. Thanks for your
interest. I find it gratifying in these days of miracles and wonder that some
peole can still show concern for others. I must admit that at the moment I am
quite tired having come home at the end of the working day but I am not
completely exhausted. It has also crossed my mind that you, yourself, may be
completely fucked and wish advice from someone who sympathises with your
political views. I am a doctor of philosophy, not of medicine, but could I
suggest to you that some vitamins might help your condition. Sorry I have not
got back to you sooner, but this is the first time I have read the Newsgroup
since I posted last week.
Thanks again for your interest and concern
Wes
-
BKawalec
>
>You inquired whether or not I was completely exhausted.
Wow. That's not what came up on my screen...
WScott2805
(BKawalec) writes:
>
>>Dear Mr Fox
>>
>>You inquired whether or not I was completely exhausted.
>
>
>Wow. That's not what came up on my screen...
>
>
>
>
>Bill
Bill, you are obviously confused. This will take some explaining so if you have
a short little span of attention please move on to the next post. It's not what
came up on my screen either but as Mr Fox was concerned enough to ask me a
question I felt it was only proper to answer him. However, he asked, "are you
completely fucked?" The use of the word 'fuck' ,as you know, indicates that the
questioner is an uneducated person with a limited vocabulary. Consequently I
was obliged to translate his words into proper English.
To be fucked is the passive form of the verb 'to fuck'. He could therefore have
meant to ask in his primitive way, Have you engaged in the sexual act. However
he did use the term 'completely fucked'. Well, one has either engaged in the
sexual act or one has not, thus the adverb 'completely' would be redundant.
(BTW if I had felt he had meant this, I would have answered that my private
life was none of his business.) The other use of the passive form of fuck is
'to be tired'. As in 'I am completely fucked' = 'I am very tired'. I thus
correctly translated Mr Fox's admittedly imprecise use of English and answered
him accordingly.
I have read with interest people's responses to my original post, some
accurate, some inaccurate but thoughtful, some unintelligent and abusive (you
know who you are). I intend to write a reply when I have considered them all in
more detail as carefully constructed arguments deserve a careful reply.
Wes
BTW, Bill I don't wish to be pedantic but do you realise that you have spelt
'sarcasm' wrongly in your signature.
Joey Berger
>'to be tired'. As in 'I am completely fucked' = 'I am very tired'. I thus
>correctly translated Mr Fox's admittedly imprecise use of English and answered
>him accordingly.
Actually, when *I* say "I'm completely fucked", I usually mean, 'Man,
am I in trouble (or 'screwed', if you will)'. It could also mean
drunk, happy, etc.
>
>I have read with interest people's responses to my original post, some
>accurate, some inaccurate but thoughtful, some unintelligent and abusive (you
>know who you are). I intend to write a reply when I have considered them all in
> more detail as carefully constructed arguments deserve a careful reply.
>
>Wes
>
>BTW, Bill I don't wish to be pedantic but do you realise that you have spelt
>'sarcasm' wrongly in your signature.
I think he knows that - some guy named Trey wrote tha about him, so he
kept it in. I told him to put a [sic] in there, but no dice.
Mastery
WScott2805 wrote:
> In article <19990302180222...@ng-fi1.aol.com>, bkaw...@aol.comb
> (BKawalec) writes:
>
> >
> >>Dear Mr Fox
> >>
> >>You inquired whether or not I was completely exhausted.
> >
> >
> >Wow. That's not what came up on my screen...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Bill
>
> Bill, you are obviously confused. This will take some explaining so if you have
> a short little span of attention please move on to the next post. It's not what
> came up on my screen either but as Mr Fox was concerned enough to ask me a
> question I felt it was only proper to answer him. However, he asked, "are you
> completely fucked?" The use of the word 'fuck' ,as you know, indicates that the
> questioner is an uneducated person with a limited vocabulary. Consequently I
> was obliged to translate his words into proper English.
>
> To be fucked is the passive form of the verb 'to fuck'. He could therefore have
> meant to ask in his primitive way, Have you engaged in the sexual act. However
> he did use the term 'completely fucked'. Well, one has either engaged in the
> sexual act or one has not, thus the adverb 'completely' would be redundant.
> (BTW if I had felt he had meant this, I would have answered that my private
> life was none of his business.) The other use of the passive form of fuck is
> 'to be tired'. As in 'I am completely fucked' = 'I am very tired'. I thus
> correctly translated Mr Fox's admittedly imprecise use of English and answered
> him accordingly.
>
> I have read with interest people's responses to my original post, some
> accurate, some inaccurate but thoughtful, some unintelligent and abusive (you
> know who you are). I intend to write a reply when I have considered them all in
> more detail as carefully constructed arguments deserve a careful reply.
>
> Wes
>
> BTW, Bill I don't wish to be pedantic but do you realise that you have spelt
> 'sarcasm' wrongly in your signature.
Michael Aidulis
says...
> >correctly translated Mr Fox's admittedly imprecise use of English and answered
> >him accordingly.
>
> am I in trouble (or 'screwed', if you will)'. It could also mean
> drunk, happy, etc.
"Completely fucked" can also mean "out of order" as in "This soft drinks
dispenser is completely fucked."
Michael
persig
point...albeit in the vernacular......Are you completely fucked?
Reasonable question as insanity seems to run rampant in your ramblings. In this
case he or she might have meant fucked as in suffering anal-cranial
infarction.....
WScott2805 wrote:
> In article <36dd9c29...@news.total.net>, joeyb...@hotmail.com (Joey
> Berger) writes:
>
> >
> >Actually, when *I* say "I'm completely fucked", I usually mean, 'Man,
> >am I in trouble (or 'screwed', if you will)'. It could also mean
> >drunk, happy, etc.
> >
>
> Good point, Joey. This is the point about such an imprecise word as 'fuck.'
> Although you might know what you mean other people have to put your use of the
> word in context. If he meant any of these usages, I was neither in trouble nor
> drunk although I must admit I was happy enough.
> Another post (again a person of limited intelligence, it seems) has just used
> this word again without explaining his meaning. I don't think he really
> understood my post as he repeats the same mistakes that the unfortunate Mr Fox
> made.
>
> Wes
WScott2805
AA
highly educative on english vocabulary)
WScott2805 a *crit :
> In article <19990302180222...@ng-fi1.aol.com>, bkaw...@aol.comb
> (BKawalec) writes:
> >>Dear Mr Fox
> >>You inquired whether or not I was completely exhausted.
> >Wow. That's not what came up on my screen...
> >Bill
>
> Bill, you are obviously confused. This will take some explaining so if you have
> a short little span of attention please move on to the next post. It's not what
> came up on my screen either but as Mr Fox was concerned enough to ask me a
> question I felt it was only proper to answer him.
> <snip>
> I have read with interest people's responses to my original post, some
> accurate, some inaccurate but thoughtful, some unintelligent and abusive (you
> know who you are). I intend to write a reply when I have considered them all in
> more detail as carefully constructed arguments deserve a careful reply.
>
> Wes
> <snip>
well Wes, please in your answer, don't forget to take in account
that some people allude Paul could be a vulcan, or fond of Tao philliosophy.
That could be interesting too.
Anouk
*SCAATY*
WScott2805
Mic...@Rascasse.freeserve.co.nomorespam.uk (Michael Aidulis) writes:
>
>"Completely fucked" can also mean "out of order" as in "This soft drinks
>dispenser is completely fucked."
>
>
>Michael
Michael, isn't the English (bad) language a real minefield?
WScott2805
>
>Wow ...WILLARD SCOTT!!!!!!!!! Evening Mr. Scott....are YOU fucked?
>
I refer the dishonourable and unlearned member to the reply I gave earlier
Willard
(not really but I don't like to confuse the cerebrally challenged)
Michael Aidulis
says...
> No Willard...it was clearly understood...and Mr. Fox made a very clear and valid
> point...albeit in the vernacular......Are you completely fucked?
> Reasonable question as insanity seems to run rampant in your ramblings.
I am afraid I do not understand the logic that would lead you to believe
that this person is not of sound mind. I can only assume that in the
absence of a rational argument, you are driven for some reason to attempt
to undermine Wes' credibility. In rationalising your motivation for this
tactic, I would postulate that behind it is either a political stance
just right-wing enough to be callous, or else the unthinking remnant of a
parental concept imprinted during the Cold War which has not been fully
addressed in adulthood. This results in what a self-adopted concept of my
own would call poor debating technique.
Michael
Mel Pearce
You've been at the Dictionary pie again!
Michael Aidulis
wscot...@aol.com says...
> In article <MPG.1147c5f36...@news.freeserve.co.uk>,
> Mic...@Rascasse.freeserve.co.nomorespam.uk (Michael Aidulis) writes:
>
> >
> >"Completely fucked" can also mean "out of order" as in "This soft drinks
> >dispenser is completely fucked."
> >
> >
> >Michael
>
> Michael, isn't the English (bad) language a real minefield?
I don't know...ambiguity has always been a source of poetry ;-)
Michael
Turner
dictionary....sound pretty to you....then used improperly.Are you related to Willard
by any chance?
WScott2805
<trave...@motorcycle.com> writes:
>
>No Willard...it was clearly understood...and Mr. Fox made a very clear and
>valid
>point...albeit in the vernacular......Are you completely fucked?
I refer the dishonourable and unlearned member to the reply I gave earlier
Willard
The post office has been stolen
Maybe
But again, twas really a waste of the NG's bandwith Willard.
Question to the group.........Prove that Willard exists.....
Etu?
>
> As a matter of fact they did sound good to me, thanks for asking.
> Transactional Analysis is fairly straightforward once you get the hang of
> it. I find it useful for explaining a range of irrational behaviours; the
> unexplained, sudden harshness shown to Wes, for example. Basically what
> is happening is that your hatred for, in this case, communism/socialism
> is simply your parents' beliefs rehashed. (Either that or you became
> addicted to cruelty later in life.) At best this shows a lack of
> imagination. At worst, well, people get into prejudice in a big way and
> start chaining other people to their truck. Anyway, I'm sorry for using
> big words. I'll try to be more "Usenet" in future.
>
> Michael
In case you didn't "notice"....I didn't ASK...it was a statement of fact.....
At best...your post.....shows that you failed Psych 101.....good try though. Keep at
it...ya might just get the hang of it eventually.....
Michael Aidulis
> Unfortunately your poor usage of "big words" indicates that they are read from a
> dictionary....sound pretty to you....then used improperly.Are you related to Willard
> by any chance?
As a matter of fact they did sound good to me, thanks for asking.
Joey Berger
wrote:
>In case you didn't "notice"....I didn't ASK...it was a statement of fact.....
>At best...your post.....shows that you failed Psych 101.....good try though. Keep at
>it...ya might just get the hang of it eventually.....
Et tu, Etu?
AA
but no, i'm just a clueless foreigner -
but what is a "willard" ?
anyway, looks like an insult...
anouk
ps : isn't it highly tasteless for one person
to hide behind several nicknames ?
Maybe a *crit :
BKawalec
>but no, i'm just a clueless foreigner -
>but what is a "willard" ?
The weatherman
Wow
Josie Marie wrote:
> AA wrote in
> >i may seem childish -
> >but no, i'm just a clueless foreigner -
> >but what is a "willard" ?
> >anyway, looks like an insult...
> >
> >anouk
> >
> Anouk (and other non-Americans),
>
> Willard Scott is a buffoon of a weatherman who used to be on the Today show
> (early morning weekday news show on NBC). One of his big gimmicks was to
> wish Happy Birthday to the very elderly, mostly 100 and over. He'd show
> pictures and gush about how beautiful and handsome they were.
>
> It became a sort of cultural joke about living long enough to have Willard
> wish you Happy Birthday.
>
> Josie
> The S&G Online Resource & FAQ
> http://home.att.net/~sandg/
Cathy Friedmann
Joey Berger wrote in message <36df3c4c...@news.total.net>...
>On Thu, 04 Mar 1999 19:30:34 -0500, Etu? <rubhe...@parlophone.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>>In case you didn't "notice"....I didn't ASK...it was a statement of
fact.....
>>At best...your post.....shows that you failed Psych 101.....good try
though. Keep at
>>it...ya might just get the hang of it eventually.....
>
>Et tu, Etu?
A punster in our midst. ;-) There is a puns ng, that has some pretty
amusing posts, too. Cathy
Josie Marie
Chris Stern
I have been active on the political left all my life and know a good
many "socialist" songs. And I enjoy singing them from time to time too.
"Joe Hill" for example and "Unaccompanied" a song by Harvey Andrews, a
much underrated British singer/songwriter. In this song the final words
are "from Jarrow and from Clyde they'll come (famous for militant
workers and marches in the 1930s) with silent heart and muffled drum, We
want the cake and not the crumb, We're mad again!"
Pretty "socialist" don't you think.
However my opinion of the so called "Marxist" message in Paul Simon's
songs is that the whole idea should be filed under LOB. This is the
initials for a fairly strong/rude English expression: LOAD OF BOLLOCKS
Chris
BKawalec
>initials for a fairly strong/rude English expression: LOAD OF BOLLOCKS
I think the American equivalent might be "crock o' shit."
Chris Stern
BKawalec wrote:
>
> >This is the
> >initials for a fairly strong/rude English expression: LOAD OF BOLLOCKS
>
> I think the American equivalent might be "crock o' shit."
>
> Bill
>
That works with Brits too.
Chris
AA
to fill me in general cultural background.
We have also some weatherman clowning on TV
but still not famous enough to have his own idiomatics.
anouk
Josie Marie a *crit :
Mel Pearce
wrote:
>
>However my opinion of the so called "Marxist" message in Paul Simon's
>songs is that the whole idea should be filed under LOB. This is the
>initials for a fairly strong/rude English expression: LOAD OF BOLLOCKS
>
>Chris
At last! You are right about something. And no name-dropping either.
Mel Pearce
>>This is the
>>initials for a fairly strong/rude English expression: LOAD OF BOLLOCKS
>
>
>I think the American equivalent might be "crock o' shit."
>
En francais: Un sac du merde
Mel Pearce
wrote:
>
>
>BKawalec wrote:
>>
>> >This is the
>> >initials for a fairly strong/rude English expression: LOAD OF BOLLOCKS
>>
>> I think the American equivalent might be "crock o' shit."
>>
>> Bill
>>
>
>That works with Brits too.
>
>Chris
Maybe in Yorks. But the rest of use would rarely use the word 'crock'
unless we were saying 'crock of gold' perhaps.
Michael Aidulis
> I have been active on the political left all my life and know a good
> many "socialist" songs. And I enjoy singing them from time to time too.
> "Joe Hill" for example and "Unaccompanied" a song by Harvey Andrews, a
> much underrated British singer/songwriter. In this song the final words
> are "from Jarrow and from Clyde they'll come (famous for militant
> workers and marches in the 1930s) with silent heart and muffled drum, We
> want the cake and not the crumb, We're mad again!"
>
> Pretty "socialist" don't you think.
I on the other hand have never paid much attention to socialist ideas and
dogma. I am simply supporting a person's right to have a different
opinion than me.
> However my opinion of the so called "Marxist" message in Paul Simon's
> songs is that the whole idea should be filed under LOB. This is the
> initials for a fairly strong/rude English expression: LOAD OF BOLLOCKS
Anyone who has researched the life of Paul Simon would know that he is
not a Marxist, and that the interpretation Wes offered was far fetched to
say the least. Wes himself has professed to being centre-left, and in a
sense was trolling but genuinely interested in the response.
Unfortunately much of the response was abusive, when respectful
disagreement would have sufficed.
I can agree with Wes' interpretation in the sense that I think that a
Marxist might see The Boxer as he described, provided they did not know
anything in advance about the political views of the songwriter. I'm not
a Marxist at all, but for a while I enjoyed seeing the song from the
perspective of a poor boy who was deceived by the ruling class who gave
him a pocketful of mumble, sold out to capitalist whores, endured a
bleeding winter of political soul-searching, and ultimately found his
calling. Admittedly The Boxer is too pretty for the voice of Billy Brag,
but wouldn't you say it could rank among the more meaningful protest
songs, even though it was never intended this way?
Michael
Chris Stern
content in PS songs"
I think Wes was actually trying to get the type of response he got.
Chris
Chris Stern
Mel Pearce wrote:
>
> On Sat, 06 Mar 1999 07:55:40 GMT, Chris Stern <cws...@mediaone.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >BKawalec wrote:
> >>
> >> >This is the
> >> >initials for a fairly strong/rude English expression: LOAD OF BOLLOCKS
> >>
> >> I think the American equivalent might be "crock o' shit."
> >>
> >> Bill
> >>
> >
> >That works with Brits too.
> >
> >Chris
>
> Maybe in Yorks. But the rest of use would rarely use the word 'crock'
> unless we were saying 'crock of gold' perhaps.
>
> Mel
>
At least in Yorks we can usually tell when we are being wound up by
people claiming incredible IQ levels or deliberately name dropping. Oh
dear still can't resist it!
On 12 Sept 1986 I became a member of MENSA (sorry)
Chris
Caligari
Mel Pearce wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Mar 1999 16:13:56 GMT, Chris Stern <cws...@mediaone.net>
> You too?
>
> Mel
>
> Stress: A psychologically damaging condition
> resulting from the conscious suppression of
> the biological need to choke the living shit
> out of some arsehole who really deserves it.
--
Lasciate ogni speranza voi ch'entrate
Caligari
Chris Stern wrote:
> > >At last! You are right about something. And no name-dropping either.
> > >
> > Excuse me, but _Chris_ is right about something _at last_?? Not to
> > diminish your contributions to this group, but who of us is right more
> > often than Chris? He da' man!
> >
> > Jon
>
> AT LAST! recognition! :-)) (unfortunately of being comparatively old
> with a very long memory. I must be one of the few here who actually
> bought a 78 record, of Tommy Steel's Tommy the Toreador alas and not
> THAT 78)
Mel Pearce
Chris Stern
Chris Stern
Caligari wrote:
>
> Tommy SteelE
>
> Chris Stern wrote:
>
Chris Stern
Mel Pearce wrote:
>
> On Sat, 06 Mar 1999 16:13:56 GMT, Chris Stern <cws...@mediaone.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Mel Pearce wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 06 Mar 1999 07:55:40 GMT, Chris Stern <cws...@mediaone.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >BKawalec wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >This is the
> >> >> >initials for a fairly strong/rude English expression: LOAD OF BOLLOCKS
> >> >>
> >> >> I think the American equivalent might be "crock o' shit."
> >> >>
> >> >> Bill
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >That works with Brits too.
> >> >
> >> >Chris
> >>
> >> Maybe in Yorks. But the rest of use would rarely use the word 'crock'
> >> unless we were saying 'crock of gold' perhaps.
> >>
> >> Mel
> >>
> >At least in Yorks we can usually tell when we are being wound up by
> >people claiming incredible IQ levels or deliberately name dropping. Oh
> >dear still can't resist it!
> >On 12 Sept 1986 I became a member of MENSA (sorry)
> >
> >Chris
>
> You too?
>
> Mel
>
Boring organisation isn't it!
Chris
Mel Pearce
wrote:
>AT LAST! recognition! :-))
So THAT'S what you've been looking for!
>(unfortunately of being comparatively old
>with a very long memory. I must be one of the few here who actually
>bought a 78 record, of Tommy Steel's Tommy the Toreador alas and not
>THAT 78)
One of the few, maybe. The only one, no.
Mel Pearce
wrote:
>Obviously made less of an impression on me than Paul Simone did.
Is he related to Nina?
BKawalec
>
>Is he related to Nina?
No. Bobby.
Mel Pearce
>Lasciate ogni speranza voi ch'entrate
>
I know what this means (Abandon hope all ye who enter here) but fail
to see the relevance to my post. Perhaps Chris's super duper IQ can
help?
AA
:)
Mel Pearce a *crit :
> On 6 Mar 1999 06:17:05 GMT, bkaw...@aol.comb (BKawalec) wrote:
>
> >>This is the
> >>initials for a fairly strong/rude English expression: LOAD OF BOLLOCKS
> >
> >
> >I think the American equivalent might be "crock o' shit."
> >
> En francais: Un sac du merde
>
Chris Stern
Mel Pearce wrote:
>
>
>
> >Lasciate ogni speranza voi ch'entrate
> >
> I know what this means (Abandon hope all ye who enter here) but fail
> to see the relevance to my post. Perhaps Chris's super duper IQ can
> help?
>
> Mel
>
Load of Bollocks?
or American equivalent perhaps
Michel Couzijn
wrote:
>Load of Bollocks?
I heard it's from a guy called Dante. Must be some dead songwriter, I
guess....
Michel Couzijn
Amsterdam, The Netherlands