In the Village ....
I am not a number ... I am a free man !!!!
2nd time around? not familiar with that one...
and, are you saying the Beatles plagaized Dylan? or the other way around?
"Now, too much of nothing
Can make a man feel ill at ease.
One man's temper might rise
While another man's temper might freeze."
-- Bob Dylan
forgive my dodgy typing.
>2nd time around? not familiar with that one...
sorry 4th Time Around ... the brain gets dyslexic as one gets older ... :-)
>and, are you saying the Beatles plagaized Dylan? or the other way around?
It is hard to say since Blonde on Blonde (the album it is on) came out about
the same time as the Beatles tune ... sort of a simultaneous orchestration :-)
I just heard 4th Time Around again from a 1966 Austalian concert tape and then
heard Norwegian Wood shortly thereafter and felt there was a similarity ...
As some here may remember, I have a bad ear for voices ... but I found myself
mouthing the words to 4th Time Around while Norwegian Wood was playing ...
>Doesn't jump out at me the way the similarity of My Sweet Lord and He's So
It's funny how different people hear things different ... It took me following
the sheet music to see that one ... of course I'm the one who asked who the guy
was singing with Simon on a MP3 I had ... turns out most said Duh .. Garfunkel
... So my credibility is low ... :-)
In the UK, Rubber Soul was released in December 1965. Blonde on Blonde in
They do sound similiar, both in content and in style. But i've always
considered it to be a "sound of the sixties" so to speak. Don't think there
was any intentional ripping off going on.
Hey, if you played it off as a "I was testing you," I wouldn't have been so
"Hey, I've got nothing to do today, but smile."
>Hey, if you played it off as a "I was testing you," I wouldn't have been so
That was not my worst faux pas ... I was led there by co-workers who said
...well it's not Garfunkel ... but lately, while watching the movie Mystery,
Alaska ... I told my wife that one of the actors I thought was Sean Connery did
not sound like him at all ... It was Burt Reynolds ... Recognizing voices and
faces is NOT my forte as you can easily see ...
You know, I always felt some sort of a familiarity when listening to 4th
Time Around, but never associated it with Norwegian Wood. You're right! They
do sound familiar. But I have to say, it could be unconcious plagiarism,
just as I truly belive My Sweet Lord was.
I say this because I occasionally write myself. My spurts of inspiration
come to me usually at around 5:00AM when I'm lying in bed. Suddnly, a great
tune pops into my head, and I start writing a song then and there. After I
wake up, I invariably discover that the tune I've "written" is curiously
similar to some song I'd been listening to fr the past few weeks.
I guess real songwriters get truly orignal tunes sent to them by whatever
songwriting spirit exists. I, unfortunately, don't.
That's not say, however, that some "real" songwriters don't are not inspired
by pre-existing tunes lurking in their subconcious mind. For example, listen
to these songs and tell me if they don't sound like....:
Say You, Say Me (Lionel Ritchie) sounds like A Day in the Life (The Beatles)
You Sang to Me (Mark Anthony) sounds like The Greatest Discovery (Elton
Healing Hands (Elton John) sounds like Philadelphia Freedom (Elton John)
(can you plagiarise yourself?)
Also, 80% of country songs have the exact same chord structure, as do blues
songs, and sound almost identical, except for the lyrics.
So, who you gonna sue?
>That's 4th Time Around. I've heard this mentioned before. I really don't se it.
>Doesn't jump out at me the way the similarity of My Sweet Lord and He's So Fine
How about during Paul's solo central park show - the falsetto during
Diamonds sounds *exactly* like Blue Moon.
>"Now, too much of nothing
>Can make a man feel ill at ease.
>One man's temper might rise
>While another man's temper might freeze."
>-- Bob Dylan
Well, here's a test for you then. Get the movie "Conspiracy Theory," and name
all the people who get in the cab in the opening sequence...
No, thats called "running out of ideas".
Fantasy Records sued John Fogerty for that very thing. Thought that his solo
work was hurting sales of CCR albums...
(I'm pretty sure that one was thrown out)
"SNUMBER6" <snum...@aol.com> wrote in message
> Although this is the PS newsgroup ... and in a couple of months I am sure
> will be bombarded with critiques of the long awaited new album ... I'd
> get off topic just once again regarding Bob Dylan ...
> Query : Listen to 2nd Time Around then listen to the Beatles Norwegian
> then tell me if there is not some unintentional plagarism in Norwegian
> both in melody and some phrasing ...
Wow. There's something to aspire to as a songwriter...