American Tune - Matthew Passion by J.S.Bach
Dietmar Bart
the German composer Johann Sebastian Bach in St. Matthew Passion in the 18th century ?
Philipp Boerker
: Does anybody know if Paul Simon was ever asked in an interview if
: the German composer Johann Sebastian Bach in St. Matthew Passion in the 18th century ?
There was no need to ask as Paul Simon never claimed to have written it.
He has a copyright on the music since he adapted it. I have
an album of sheet music of Paul Simon's work with a preface by PS
where he says that the melody was derived from a Bach tune.
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Richard Bos
> Dietmar Bart <Bar...@gmx.de> wrote:
> : Does anybody know if Paul Simon was ever asked in an interview if
> : he ever realized that the tune of *American Tune* was written by
> : the German composer Johann Sebastian Bach in St. Matthew Passion in the 18th century ?
>
> There was no need to ask as Paul Simon never claimed to have written it.
> He has a copyright on the music since he adapted it. I have
> an album of sheet music of Paul Simon's work with a preface by PS
> where he says that the melody was derived from a Bach tune.
And, note, the tune wasn't actually written by Bach. The man was just as
much a thief as Paul <g>. It was already a well-known tune when Der Alte
Bach used it, or rather an embellished version of it, in his Passion. It
isn't even the best part of the work, if you ask me.
Richard
Philipp Boerker
: It isn't even the best part of the work, if you ask me.
But only because the work is so great, right?
Kapeman
in the 70's. His response was something like, everyone owes a debt to Bach,
everyone steals from Bach.
That is scary to me that i remember that ( and have no clue where I put the
book i just bought and planned to start reading)
Barbara
ARNAL Anouk
and it was St. Matthew Passion :
as i don't have any musical ear,
i was glad to recognize quite clearly, at least twice,
"american tune" melody, which was used as a whole by Paul.
one of the few pure harmonic moments for the choir to sing together,
as it is usely solo or recitative (beautiful) singing...
but knowing it from Paul as a bedside melody,
i can't say it is better or worse than the rest of this marvellous music.
Anouk
Avignon, France
Richard Bos a *crit :
> > Dietmar Bart <Bar...@gmx.de> wrote:
> > : Does anybody know if Paul Simon was ever asked in an interview if
he ever realized that the tune of *American Tune* was written by
the German composer Johann Sebastian Bach in St. Matthew Passion in the
18th century ?
(...)
Gerard Eastwood
to the thread this time I seem to recall Paul Simon mentioning that the
thought of using this melody was with him for a few years before American
Tune and I think was introduced to him by Art Garfunkel.
Gerard
ARNAL Anouk <a.a...@free.fr> wrote in message
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>
No. That was the melody that turned up on Art's first solo album as "Do
Spacemen pass Dead Souls On Their Way to the Moon." (and those who are not
familiar with that album will think I made that up...)
Bill
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Joey Berger
Joey Berger
Are you sure - Art mentioned introducing the AT melody to Paul in a
1990s interview in Q, I think. I'll look it up.
Who Me
>1990s interview in Q, I think. I'll look it up.
hmmmmmm...
I think, if I remember anything anymore, that the "Spacemen" melody was the one
that Art wanted on the BOTW album, while Paul want "Cuba Si." From there,
perhaps I am leaping. Perhaps both scenarios are true.
Richard Bos
> Richard Bos <in...@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl> wrote:
>
> : It isn't even the best part of the work, if you ask me.
>
> But only because the work is so great, right?
Right, mostly. Take the final chorus... now _that's_ impressive.
I probably prefer the Johannes, though.
Richard
Han Roffelsen
Who Me heeft geschreven in bericht
<20010119022324...@ng-cs1.aol.com>...
>I think, if I remember anything anymore, that the "Spacemen" melody
> was the onethat Art wanted on the BOTW album, while Paul want
> "Cuba Si." From there,
On Angel Clare 'Spacemen' is combined with 'Feuilles-Oh', which has also
been sung by S&G (appeard on Old Friends). So maybe 'Spacemen' was meant to
be sung by the duo on BOTW.
Han Roffelsen
The Netherlands
Daniel Henderson
>been sung by S&G (appeard on Old Friends). So maybe 'Spacemen' was meant to
>be sung by the duo on BOTW.
>
>Han Roffelsen
I believe that Art wanted Feuilles-Oh on BOTW and Paul wanted CS,NN. They
decided to call it a draw and include neither one. I did read somewhere that
Art suggested to Paul that he use the tune that later became AT.
Daniel
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Dietmar Bart schrieb:
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do a Bach fuge for BOTW while Paul wanted to have Cuba Si, Nixon No...
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Daniel Henderson schrieb:
Dietmar Bart
"Seven" <SMR-S...@t-online.de> wrote the message news:3A685185...@t-online.de...
> Oh, it was the Matthew Passion?! Thanks a lot, I always wondered which piece of Bach music Paul used!!
The piece is called: *Oh Haupt voll Blut und Wunden* in which the Lord is praised, worshipped and honored.
But anyway, I think Paul's interpretation of the tune is one of the best in the world.
Dietmar Bart
"Richard Bos" <in...@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl> wrote the message news:3a66d155....@news.worldonline.nl...
> And, note, the tune wasn't actually written by Bach.
> It was already a well-known tune when Der Alte
> Bach used it, or rather an embellished version of it, in his Passion.
You could be right. If you have any further information, please let me know.
But here it would be off topic.
--
follow up to poster.
Joey Berger
<han.ro...@ou.nl> wrote:
I think Artie wanted Feuilles-O on BOTW. Paul wanted Cuba Si Nixon No,
and so the album came out with 11 tracks.
Richard Bos
Web search? Altavista, +Haupt +Blut +Wunden, 1st hit: Hans Leo Hassler,
composed in 1601.
Richard
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> On 19 Jan 2001 05:15:03 GMT, bkaw...@aol.comBITEME ( Who Me) wrote:
>
> Are you sure - Art mentioned introducing the AT melody to Paul in a
> 1990s interview in Q, I think. I'll look it up.
>
> >>and I think was introduced to him by Art Garfunkel.
> >No. That was the melody that turned up on Art's first solo album
as "Do
> >Spacemen pass Dead Souls On Their Way to the Moon." (and those who
are not
> >familiar with that album will think I made that up...)
I know that I have heard a tape from the Sixties with Paul playing the
American Tune chords on guitar but no words. I can't remember anything
else about this right now but perhaps somebody else also recalls this.
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Simon Murgatroyd
in 1975. Paul had just played AT, and Parkinson said to PS 'pity Bach isn't
around to collect the royalties', and Paul responded 'a lot of people owe
him money'
Simon M
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Joey Berger
wrote:
Here ya go: (from
http://www.medialab.chalmers.se/guitar/garfunkel.interview.html)
ST: I thought it was interesting in the 1981 Simon & Garfunkel tour
the way you added new harmonies
to some of Simon's solo work. I especially loved your part for
"American Tune. "
AG: Me, too. Well, I had a great feeling for that song. I had
shown Paul the Bach chorale that is the basis of that
song. Then we split up. Then Paul wrote "American Tune. " And I
knew that was the kind of song that was very
Simon & Garfunkel. Had we not split up, that would have been a
"Bridge Over Troubled Water." I had a lot of
fun writing that part because it had so much feel. I felt like I
was partially the midwife that gave birth to that song.