Phil Anselmo apologizes to MetallicA
Stephen Marshall
Did anyone else read the interview with Phil Anselmo in the current
Metal Edge? He is asked about the nasty things he has said about
Metallica and their "Load" album. His reply was that he was drunk and
shouldn't have said any of it. He went on to say something like he
wasn't a rock critic and didn't have a right to judge them and that he
was sorry and had no hard feelings. I like Metallica and Pantera and
I'm glad to see Phil can admit when he's wrong.
--
Stephen A. Marshall
zzmar...@winthrop.edu
mars...@cs.winthrop.edu
http://www.winthrop.edu/~marshals
Brian Shrader
What a "Load" Phil was totally correct... I saw them this summer and he
shouldn't apologize for anything! Metallica has wimpped out and sold out.
Some record exec must have told Phil to shut his trap... too bad, he was
the only one I've seen have the guts enough to get up in front of people
and say what we have all been feeling. Metallica = SoldOutIca.
Stephen Marshall <zzmar...@winthrop.edu> wrote in article
<32DD1E8E...@winthrop.edu>...
Andrew Ariens
On 16 Jan 1997 02:07:45 GMT, "Brian Shrader"
<bshr...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>What a "Load" Phil was totally correct... I saw them this summer and he
>shouldn't apologize for anything! Metallica has wimpped out and sold out.
>Some record exec must have told Phil to shut his trap... too bad, he was
>the only one I've seen have the guts enough to get up in front of people
>and say what we have all been feeling. Metallica = SoldOutIca.
What a pity. What looked like could have been a mature thread, turned
into THIS. Sad.
--
Andrew Ariens
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J. Bial
Well, I'm not sure you could really classify Pantera as a glam
band ever. Cowboys from Hell still had some pretty raw shit like Primal
Concrete Slede and CG. I'm not sure that Metallica sold out, I think that
after 20 some-odd years of playing the same stuff, they just gelt like
trying something new. Even with TBA you could just feel the blues
influence, so if anyone was surprised that this shift was coming you
weren't paying attention to the groups direction.
John
>
> So Metallica are sell outs, but Pantera, who used to be a glam band and
> completely and predictably changed their image in 1990 to become a
> "serious" thrash band have *any* integrity? Give me a break. Pantera may
> be a good band (though their last good album came out five years ago) but
> they are bigger sellouts than Metallica will ever be. Except unlike
> Metallica they aren't even smart enough to make a lot of money at their
> dishonest approach to music.
>
> MG
>
>
Stephen Marshall
But Phil still had no right to say those things, even he admitted that.
Load is a good album, all of Pantera's albums are good albums. You
don;t hear James up on stage ridiculing pantera for their image back in
the 80s do you? So what if Phil hates load, despite the fact that I do
like load I am disappointed with it as far as my expectations were of
their new album, but it is a good album. I respect Phil for saying he
was sorry for all of that, shows he's a bigger man than you obviously
are.
Stephen
Brian Shrader wrote:
>
> What a "Load" Phil was totally correct... I saw them this summer and he
> shouldn't apologize for anything! Metallica has wimpped out and sold out.
> Some record exec must have told Phil to shut his trap... too bad, he was
> the only one I've seen have the guts enough to get up in front of people
> and say what we have all been feeling. Metallica = SoldOutIca.
>
Stephen Marshall
Andrew Ariens wrote:
>
> On 16 Jan 1997 02:07:45 GMT, "Brian Shrader"
>
> >What a "Load" Phil was totally correct... I saw them this summer and he
> >shouldn't apologize for anything! Metallica has wimpped out and sold out.
> >Some record exec must have told Phil to shut his trap... too bad, he was
> >the only one I've seen have the guts enough to get up in front of people
> >and say what we have all been feeling. Metallica = SoldOutIca.
>
> into THIS. Sad.
>
> --
> Andrew Ariens
> ari...@aiinc.com
> http://www.trailerpark.com/phase1/ariens/index.html
> http://www.ce2k.com/metal1/index.html
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/6797/metal.html
>
> Nominated for MetallicA site of the month:
> http://www.ce2k.com/metal1/metallica/index.html
> Vote! (Sorry for the shameless plug. ;-])
It is sad isn't it. Phil, or anyone for that matter can hate the Load
album, but to use his standing and being on stage as a forum to bash
them, he had no right, and I'm glad he admitted that and kind of made
amends. Pantera and Metallica are both Kick ass bands. Load, while not
being the album that I necessarily wanted from Metallica is still a
great album.
DrifterUSA
I don't know if Phil should apologize or not, but it wouldn't surprise me
if he did get record company pressure. EastWest (Pantera's label) is now
part of Elektra (Metallica's label). As you may recall, Elektra paid a
huge amount of money to hold onto Metallica. Who do you think they're
gonna back?
PS Good post, 'Ben.
WrestleBen
<<So Metallica are sell outs, but Pantera, who used to be a glam band and
completely and predictably changed their image in 1990 to become a
"serious" thrash band have *any* integrity? Give me a break. Pantera may
be a good band (though their last good album came out five years ago) but
they are bigger sellouts than Metallica will ever be. Except unlike
Metallica they aren't even smart enough to make a lot of money at their
dishonest approach to music.>>
I apologize for even responding to such an assanine post. What the fuck
are you reading this newsgroup if you don't like Pantera's music?? Let me
tell you about progression. Pantera's first three albums were done with
Terrence Lee on vocals. They were glam in the era of glam. That's the
music they liked, and was the music they played. When Phil joined the
group, they got harder. Cowboys from Hell was the first album that Phil
wrote on. It fuckin shredded. Every album since has gotten progressively
harder, as that is the music they like to play. It obviously isn't just
to sell records.
Metallica, OTOH, put current breed of heavy metal on the map. With Master
of Puppets, and Justice, they were hard as shit, and unanimously the best
out there. Now they didn' just decide to change direction, they decided
to change their style so that more of the alterno-pop audience would like
them. They wear make-up, get face piercings, and their music is much more
melodic and slow. In other words, they are trying to loosen up their
hardcore image to sell more records. That, my friends, is selling out.
They let the power of the dollar get to their heads. Fronting
lollapalooza proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Basically i just want to finish by saying to all you Pantera bashers to
get the hell off this newsgroup. You got a lot of thinking to do in
between you high school shop class and gym to decide who really is selling
out.
Load is weak. I don't care what Phil or James or anybody says. Forget
about this topic. It is old. Pantera are the new kings of metal.
STRONGER THAN ALL!!!!!
Stay fucking hostile shredding vulgar,
---Ben---
http://members.aol.com/WrestleBen/pantera/main.html
Charlie Broussard x1525
Stephen Marshall (zzmar...@winthrop.edu) wrote:
: But Phil still had no right to say those things, even he admitted that.
: all of Pantera's albums are good albums.
again, that's your opinion, probably phil's, but not mine.
:You
: don;t hear James up on stage ridiculing pantera for their image back in
: the 80s do you? So what if Phil hates load, despite the fact that I do
: like load I am disappointed with it as far as my expectations were of
: their new album, but it is a good album. I respect Phil for saying he
: was sorry for all of that, shows he's a bigger man than you obviously
: are.
so, does this mean that all of us who have bashed load and metallica on
the net have to issue some sort of apology to metallica for saying that
load sucks? yeah, right. do you think what phil said hurt metallica's
feelings? boo hoo. do they even know what he said? do you care what
he said? do i care what he said? i damn sure don't.
--
charlie, author of this totally meaningless post
all opinions expressed herein are subject to change
Mr. Edward Macak
ass-kissers.
Evil Incarnate
"J. Bial" <ice...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> Well, I'm not sure you could really classify Pantera as a glam
>band ever. Cowboys from Hell still had some pretty raw shit like Primal
>Concrete Slede and CG.
pantera had 4 glam albums before cowboys from hell.
-Daemonic
LORDETH7
>
> so, does this mean that all of us who have bashed load and metallica on
> the net have to issue some sort of apology to metallica for saying that
> load sucks? yeah, right. do you think what phil said hurt metallica's
Whats he doing talking bout Metallica at a Pantera concert. He sure has
a lot of time to waste. He can have that opinion about load and if some
interviewer or anything asks him what he thinks of it he could say it
sucks but hes just a dumbass. He basically is saying that cuz hes
jealous of metallica being more popular than pantera otherwise hed just
shut the hell up. James Hetfield isn't up there insulting all the bands
he hates in concerts and neither should phil anselmo.
DamnijInk
Excuse my ignorance . . . but what exactly classifies a band as a "glam"
band. Spandex and teased hair - like Poison and Crue etc.? Or ?? Which
Pantera albums were "glam"? Just wondering. And Daemonic - if ya answer
to me on this one could you please refrain from hissing, growling or
snickering at me, as in the past? Much appreciated, dude.
Evil Incarnate
DamnijInk <damn...@datadepot.com> wrote:
but...i CANT HELP MYSELF! :)
glam isnt really the image...its the sound...like...cowboys from hell
is a little glammy.
the image just seems to go along with it. i think the image scares us
all more then the music. :)
and i dont know the names of the albums...one had something to do with
power metal and i think one was self-titled...
-Daemonic
PS when the fuck did i hiss, growl or snicker at you? you're just
confusing me.
*snicker snicker*
rais...@infogo.com
DamnijInk <damn...@datadepot.com> wrote:
>Excuse my ignorance . . . but what exactly classifies a band as a "glam"
>band. Spandex and teased hair - like Poison and Crue etc.? Or ?? Which
>Pantera albums were "glam"? Just wondering. And Daemonic - if ya answer
>to me on this one could you please refrain from hissing, growling or
>snickering at me, as in the past? Much appreciated, dude.
He's right about this one......they have four glam albums....Metal
Magic, Projects in the Jungle, I am the Night and Power Metal.
I am the Night and Power Metal I don't think I would really classify
the music as glam, there are some decent songs on those....the image
is glam, though. As for the first two......let's just say, they were
kind of sad...pure 80s pop-metal on a level with Poison......
Alexander Avduevsky
Brian Shrader wrote:
>
> What a "Load" Phil was totally correct... I saw them this summer and he
> shouldn't apologize for anything!
Yes, man! And no-one of Pantera changed his opinion on Load! Just read
the interview with Dimebag and White Zombie's guitarist in GuitarWorld
(Dec'96) where Dimebag says tht Phil expresses the opinion of the whole
band (and also a big part of Pantera fans who obviously used to be
Metallica fans also).
Brian Shrader
god damn, thank you so much!! That's exactly what I wanted to say, I just
wanted to add...
How can anyone claim that Pantera are the ones that are selling out and
then turn around and say that they aren't making any money at it????
Wouldn't that NOT be sellling out then??? Pantera didn't change their style
cuz they wanted to make more money or sell more records, they changed their
style cuz they WANTED TO!!!!! Metallica on the other hand decided that
they wanted to make money at any cost and wet the panties of Jr High girls
instead of playing music they loved... I'm not saying making money is bad,
everyone wants money, and everyone always wants more, but for that to be
your pure motivation for writing music is sad and weak... anyway, L8r
Thanks WrestleBen for putting that asshole in his place.
WrestleBen <wrest...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970117053...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
Brian Shrader
yeah he can shred on the guitar, only when I saw them last summer he was
playing SLAYER! ;)
Pantera played Reign In Blood when I saw 'em with Phil on guitar and
Dimebag doin' the vocals, it was awesome.
if they play Metallica riffs when I see them in Feb, it better be older
than Justice, or I'm gonna be pissed.
Kim <KimR...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<01bc05d2$52c451c0$48db92cf@default>...
> WrestleBen <wrest...@aol.com> wrote in article
> <19970117053...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
>
> Amen bro! Phil didn't say anything about Metallica on the show they
played
> on Jan 9th 1997. I feel like I am watching Professional Wrestling. "Now
> coming down the aisle weighing in at 750 lb.. From Texas,
> PANTERA!" (crowed cheer and CFH playing). Then a couple seconds later.
> "Here comes Metallica weighing in at 800 lbs." (crowed boo's). Ding Ding.
> "Phil gets Kirk in a head lock and starts punching him in the head."
> Anyways you get the idea. At least the Pantera VS. Metallica thing is
over.
> And if Phil didn't like Metallica then why did he start playing a old
> Metallica guitar riffs (For those who don't know this, Phil can play the
> guitar.) Well time to go...
> Later,
> Bob
>
>
> --------------------------------------
> "Drag the waters some more, like never before." Pantera- TGSTK
>
Kim
Brian Shrader
so you are gonna rip on Phil for rippin' on James, then turn around and rip
on me too... I've got a word for ya: HYPOCRITE.
Don't tell me how stupid it is to get up and bash someone then turn around
and call me a lesser man, I can have any opinion I want, just like you can,
but you callin' me a lesser man for it just shows you don't even believe
your own words. Why don't you eat them and tell me how they taste?
Stephen Marshall <zzmar...@winthrop.edu> wrote in article
> But Phil still had no right to say those things, even he admitted that.
> Load is a good album, all of Pantera's albums are good albums. You
> don;t hear James up on stage ridiculing pantera for their image back in
> the 80s do you? So what if Phil hates load, despite the fact that I do
> like load I am disappointed with it as far as my expectations were of
> their new album, but it is a good album. I respect Phil for saying he
> was sorry for all of that, shows he's a bigger man than you obviously
> are.
>
> Stephen
>
> Brian Shrader wrote:
> >
> > What a "Load" Phil was totally correct... I saw them this summer and he
> > shouldn't apologize for anything! Metallica has wimpped out and sold
out.
> > Some record exec must have told Phil to shut his trap... too bad, he
was
> > the only one I've seen have the guts enough to get up in front of
people
> > and say what we have all been feeling. Metallica = SoldOutIca.
> >
> > Stephen Marshall <zzmar...@winthrop.edu> wrote in article
> > <32DD1E8E...@winthrop.edu>...
> > > Did anyone else read the interview with Phil Anselmo in the current
> > > Metal Edge? He is asked about the nasty things he has said about
> > > Metallica and their "Load" album. His reply was that he was drunk and
> > > shouldn't have said any of it. He went on to say something like he
> > > wasn't a rock critic and didn't have a right to judge them and that
he
> > > was sorry and had no hard feelings. I like Metallica and Pantera and
> > > I'm glad to see Phil can admit when he's wrong.
> > >
Christian 'Kali' Naumann
Brian Shrader <bshr...@u.washington.edu> wrote in article
<01bc0351$fe9149a0$edaa...@u.washington.edu.u.washington.edu>...
> What a "Load" Phil was totally correct... I saw them this summer and he
> shouldn't apologize for anything! Metallica has wimpped out and sold out.
> Some record exec must have told Phil to shut his trap... too bad, he was
> the only one I've seen have the guts enough to get up in front of people
> and say what we have all been feeling. Metallica = SoldOutIca.
Phil was not the only Metallica-Fan playing in a famous Band who
bitched "the LOAD". Even Anvil said, they don´t want to be stated by
Hetfield as his influence (and Anvil was a main influence on
Metallica). Exploited also complained about the softness of teh new
album. And Warrel Dane of NEVERMORE seems to be really disappointed
about LOAD, too. I read a lot of other statements about LOAD.
I hope MetallicA come down again and fuck the smack.
-Kali
Gary McMillen II
Jorge Ruiz wrote:
>
> > Besides...Metallica is always trashing other bands on stage.....now that
> > they suck...they should learn to take what they dished out
>
> What's wrong with ya people... "Now that they suck" what the hell is
> that, ok ok, I must agree, the thrashing and riffs are not as metal anda
> as cool, but they do not suck... Metallica will never suck, I mean...
> You make em sound like LIVE or CRANBERRIEs...
> If you are a real MEtallica fan, stick with the old stuff, LOAD is still
> good, but MASTER and RIDe are always there, who cares about now, you all
> heard Devil's Dance... They're back... Jeez... give the guys a break...
> As KIRK said in, Guitar Legend: MEtallica, "I had long hair for 15
> years, I cut it off..." or "We felt like changing a bit, I didn't feel
> like showing off, just getting the job done!!!"
>
> Just give em a chance guyz... Damn... You ain't no metallica fans...
> Go listen to SOrrow, Sepultura, MEgadeth!!!! Yeah listen to the dropout
> of MEtallica, Dave Mustaine...
>
> Fuck that... I'm putting LOAD on... after MOP finishes...
>
> Ruggz
The problem with Metallica is that they shit on alot of their fans by
selling out to MTV and everyone else...they're hypocrites...they went
against everything metallica originally stood for....I still like
metallica's old stuff...but I lost respect for them when they tried to
turn into alternative wannabes.....lets face it metallica is burnt
out....Load reflects that fact....
Gary McMillen II
J.D. Stoner wrote:
>
> > Besides...Metallica is always trashing other bands on stage.....now that
> > they suck...they should learn to take what they dished out
> >
>
> it just fine. They laughed in interviews when it was brought up. Get your
> facts straight.
my facts???...how many metallica concerts have you been to?? All of the
ones I went to, Metallica trashed quite a few
bands...slayer,megadeth,alice in chains....and on a show on the canadian
music station Muchmusic...they trashed AC/DC pretty badly....someone
asked Lars why the change in music...and he said "because we wanted
something different.....we didnt want to sound like AC/DC...the same
stuff over and over for the last 20 years....actually..ive never heard
them pick on pantera yet...probably because pantera would kick their ass
anyday....and they know it...
jhj
what's wrong with cutting down another band on stage? it's not like
he's saying anything personal against James or whatever. and i'm sure
they are quite of y'all out there who felt just a little bit betrayed
Load. some of you who lived and died by Metallica, who were horrified
by "Mama Said"? the bond in metal, like punk, between band and fan is
tribal. bands like Pantera and Metallica get the undying devotion of
their fans, that trends, MTV, and their parents cannot break. it is,
in fact, a code of honor to wear their emblems and blare the noise.
albums become initiation rites and the lyrics the way of Hummarabi.
so, is it so hard to understand Anselmo's anger against Metallica.
like 1000 other bands, Pantera was greatly influenced by Metallica.
and as a former fan, Anselmo has the right to voice his opinions, and
not be bullshit positive as others have. it's his right and a
understandable one too.
EvilSmurf
Hmmmm... if he apologized, why did he rip on them again two days ago at
Asbury Park?
John
so you are gonna rip on Phil for rippin' on James, then turn around and rip
on me too... I've got a word for ya: HYPOCRITE.
Don't tell me how stupid it is to get up and bash someone then turn around
and call me a lesser man, I can have any opinion I want, just like you can,
but you callin' me a lesser man for it just shows you don't even believe
your own words. Why don't you eat them and tell me how they taste?
Stephen Marshall <zzmar...@winthrop.edu> wrote in article
<32DE644D...@winthrop.edu>...
> But Phil still had no right to say those things, even he admitted that.
> Load is a good album, all of Pantera's albums are good albums. You
> don;t hear James up on stage ridiculing pantera for their image back in
> the 80s do you? So what if Phil hates load, despite the fact that I do
> like load I am disappointed with it as far as my expectations were of
> their new album, but it is a good album. I respect Phil for saying he
> was sorry for all of that, shows he's a bigger man than you obviously
> are.
>
> Stephen
>
> Brian Shrader wrote:
> >
> > What a "Load" Phil was totally correct... I saw them this summer and he
> > shouldn't apologize for anything! Metallica has wimpped out and sold
out.
> > Some record exec must have told Phil to shut his trap... too bad, he
was
> > the only one I've seen have the guts enough to get up in front of
people
> > and say what we have all been feeling. Metallica = SoldOutIca.
> >
> > Stephen Marshall <zzmar...@winthrop.edu> wrote in article
> > <32DD1E8E...@winthrop.edu>...
> > > Did anyone else read the interview with Phil Anselmo in the current
> > > Metal Edge? He is asked about the nasty things he has said about
> > > Metallica and their "Load" album. His reply was that he was drunk and
> > > shouldn't have said any of it. He went on to say something like he
> > > wasn't a rock critic and didn't have a right to judge them and that
he
> > > was sorry and had no hard feelings. I like Metallica and Pantera and
> > > I'm glad to see Phil can admit when he's wrong.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Stephen A. Marshall
> > > zzmar...@winthrop.edu
> > > mars...@cs.winthrop.edu
> > > http://www.winthrop.edu/~marshals
> > >
>
>>> Phil shuld have never apologized. MetallicraP sold out all the old
>>> fans who listened to the since 1984. They are not worthy of the respect
>>> those of us that grew up listening to them. Music without heart and soul is not good music at
>>> all. Pantera's music is the best metal out there, cuz they believe in metal still,
>>> so who the fuck cares if they used to be a glam band, at least they aren't alternacrap.
>>> What the Metallicunts did was fucked up. Cliff would hate them for what they've become.
>>> So all I have to say is two words:FUCK THEM!!!!!!
>>> -----John <du...@nuaticom.net>
>>> "So now I've seen it all, Hell's Wrath
>>> No man has greater glory, So now You're living through me"
Gary McMillen II
Alexander Avduevsky wrote:
>
> Brian Shrader wrote:
> >
> > What a "Load" Phil was totally correct... I saw them this summer and he
> > shouldn't apologize for anything!
>
> the interview with Dimebag and White Zombie's guitarist in GuitarWorld
> (Dec'96) where Dimebag says tht Phil expresses the opinion of the whole
> band (and also a big part of Pantera fans who obviously used to be
> Metallica fans also).
Wood
No shit! They deserve to be bashed! They're stuck up little buisness men
now!
Ministry00
Look man, Phil has always been someone I looked up to and I'd be lying if
I said it didn't disappoint me that he went back on what he was saying.
From what it sounds like, though, maybe he really didn't take back as much
as it sounded like in MetalEdge, which I'm glad for.
Steven, remember me? There you go again, Marshall, acting like you're the
big fucking peacemaker, then putting people down who don't like Load.
You're so big on voicing opinions, let THEM voice THEIRS, fucknut. You
call people mature when they change their minds to YOUR side, but if they
stick with their opinion, what are they, according to you? "One-sided
morons", I believe. Eat shit.
As to Phil playing Metallica, like us all, he likes their OLD shit. Gimme
a ring the day he starts playing a LOADofshit song.
He has the right to say whatever he wants about another band, especially
the one he grew up with. Now, all you supposed Load fans can talk to me in
a few years or so and then see how popular Metallica is with the crowd. Or
with their REAL fans, for that matter.
Ben, once again, great post.
Todd
Live High, Stay Hostile, Smoke weed.
CFHSTA
------------------------------------------------------------
"Don't regret the rules I broke,
when I die bury me in smoke."
-Down
------------------------------------------------------------
Jorge Ruiz
> Besides...Metallica is always trashing other bands on stage.....now that
> they suck...they should learn to take what they dished out
What's wrong with ya people... "Now that they suck" what the hell is
Noss
On Sat, 25 Jan 1997 02:22:14 -0800, Jorge Ruiz <j.r...@codetelnet.do>
wrote:
>Fuck that... I'm putting LOAD on... after MOP finishes...
>
>Ruggz
Hell ya!!!!!!!! I'm gonna pump up LOAD, right now!!!!!!!
J.D. Stoner
> Besides...Metallica is always trashing other bands on stage.....now that
> they suck...they should learn to take what they dished out
>
Who have they trashed. And nobody made Phil apologize. MetallicA was taking
LORDETH7
>
> my facts???...how many metallica concerts have you been to?? All of the
> ones I went to, Metallica trashed quite a few
> bands...slayer,megadeth,alice in chains....and on a show on the canadian
I'd like to know what they've said bout these bands...metallica likes
AiC so that doesn't make much sense.
> music station Muchmusic...they
trashed AC/DC pretty badly....someone
> asked Lars why the change in music...and he said "because we wanted
> something different.....we didnt want to sound like AC/DC...the same
thats completely diffferent than insulting a band at every single one of
your concersts.
> stuff over and over for the last 20
years....actually..ive never heard
> them pick on pantera yet...probably because pantera would kick their ass
> anyday....and they know it...
>
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha>
J.D. Stoner
> Look man, Phil has always been someone I looked up to and I'd be lying if
> I said it didn't disappoint me that he went back on what he was saying.
Why does everybody care about this. Phil doesn't like load, so he bags on
it for awhile. Then he realizes that what he was doing is kinda messed up,
so he apologizes. I think it was messed up. It's not like he changed his
opinion on Load. He just decided that it was wrong to slam them for it on a
nightly basis. He didn't really go back on it, just said that he shouldn't
have said it.
Evil Incarnate
LORDETH7 <Lord...@cris.com> wrote:
phil would just od again.
slayer might kick their ass. seriously. they're the kind of people to
do it. max cavelera (sp? i cant fucking spell this) said he didnt like
to tour with slayer cuz they attract skinheads and i think kerry said
he didnt like to tour with sepultura cuz they attract cocksucking
pussies (or something like that).
-Daemonic
JMFDICE
The problem with Metallica is that they shit on alot of their fans by
selling out to MTV and everyone else
--------------------------------
Um, I guess that we aren't looking at the same band. Metallica has been
nothing but good to me. every show I have been to has kicked major ass.
Every album they have made is very satisfying, I'm in the fan club, and I
can get so much cool shit about the band, rare recordings, etc, from them.
i even got 7th row seats for their show. I haven't gotten so much from a
band since Megadeth's last record.
...they're hypocrites...they went
against everything metallica originally stood for...
===================
How so? metallica is about metallica, its about what they want to do, not
what the fans want them to do. They've stated that for years, and they
would not have spent so much time and recorded so many songs in a style
that they did not like. That isn't them at all, and it isn't them on this
record. They tried some new things, the music is slower, more melodic,
James sings instead of grunting and barking, and the album has more
emotion in it than any other album. Also, it has more of a 70's hard rock
feel to it, I hear alot of nazareth in the last few songs. Hell, Hammet
went to college, studied jazz as well as more theory behind music, and you
can see some of the changees in his style, and in the soloing. They are
doing what they want to do, they are being true to themselves.
still like
metallica's old stuff...but I lost respect for them when they tried to
turn into alternative wannabes.....lets face it metallica is burnt
out....Load reflects that fact....
===================================================
Personally, I think Load is the best album that they have ever made. what
it did, in my opinion, it created a new style of metal, and while it is
not the hardcore metal that has been put out by them, Megadeth, Anthrax,
etc. inthe past. Its still pretty heavy, but it has given a new feel to
metal.
Metallica still does not sound like anyone on the radio. No other band
out there has put out an album like Load. And right now, no other band
compares to metallica. They have showed that they are not one dimensional
as a band, that they can be diverse in their sound, while still making
good, quality and entertaining music. I have heard bits and pieces of
some of the songs for the new album that should be out at the end of this
year, (Devil's Dance is one) and all were pretty heavy, and a few sounded
more like The thing That Should Not Be or harvester Of Sorrow. Hell,
Jason and lars said the stuff that didn't make Load was more mid tempo and
more like the "metal" that everyone is used to, that there wasn't as much
experimenting as on the songs like Until it Sleeps or Bleeding Me. On an
album of 14 songs, hero of the day and Momma said were the only two that
seem to be geared toward the radio, but both of them are good songs. I've
liked the album from day one, and I will always like it.
Oh yeah, I just saw metallica in san diego a week or so ago, and it was
one of the best shows I have ever seen. Only the KISS show of last summer
was better. For a burnt out band, they sure still kick ass
The thing with Pantera, though, is that they are getting stale, or burnt
out as someone else said. It seems that they have gone as far as they
could go. The Great Southern Trendkill is a cool album, it kicks alot of
ass, but there is nothing special about it. I would love to hear them
experiment a bit, play some different styles, and open it up a bit.
Gary McMillen II
Evil Incarnate wrote:
>
> Gary McMillen II <gamcm...@pahrump.com> wrote:
> >ones I went to, Metallica trashed quite a few
> >bands...slayer,megadeth,alice in chains....and on a show on the canadian
> >asked Lars why the change in music...and he said "because we wanted
> >something different.....we didnt want to sound like AC/DC...the same
> >them pick on pantera yet...probably because pantera would kick their ass
> >anyday....and they know it...
>
> in each album and rips off their own riffs. they just tell it as it
> is.
Yeah...but they meant it in an insulting way....Metallica shouldnt go
around busting on bands that could out sell them anyday...
> as for AiC, slayer, megadeth etc. i dont know, i havent heard anything
> about it.
Ahh...Then have havent been to a metallica concert have you??
>
Gary
Evil Incarnate
Gary McMillen II <gamcm...@pahrump.com> wrote:
>Evil Incarnate wrote:
>>
>> Gary McMillen II <gamcm...@pahrump.com> wrote:
>>
>> >J.D. Stoner wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Besides...Metallica is always trashing other bands on stage.....now that
>> >> > they suck...they should learn to take what they dished out
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Who have they trashed. And nobody made Phil apologize. MetallicA was taking
>> >> it just fine. They laughed in interviews when it was brought up. Get your
>> >> facts straight.
>>
>> >my facts???...how many metallica concerts have you been to?? All of the
>> >ones I went to, Metallica trashed quite a few
>> >bands...slayer,megadeth,alice in chains....and on a show on the canadian
>> >music station Muchmusic...they trashed AC/DC pretty badly....someone
>> >asked Lars why the change in music...and he said "because we wanted
>> >something different.....we didnt want to sound like AC/DC...the same
>> >stuff over and over for the last 20 years....actually..ive never heard
>> >them pick on pantera yet...probably because pantera would kick their ass
>> >anyday....and they know it...
>>
>> see...they werent trashing ac/dc...cuz ac/dc sounds exactly the same
>> in each album and rips off their own riffs. they just tell it as it
>> is.
>Yeah...but they meant it in an insulting way....Metallica shouldnt go
>around busting on bands that could out sell them anyday...
ahh, so they should only talk shit about bands less popular then?
>> as for AiC, slayer, megadeth etc. i dont know, i havent heard anything
>> about it.
>Ahh...Then have havent been to a metallica concert have you??
nope...and i dont plan to go see metallica anytime soon either. but
looking at all the live shit videos i didnt hear them say anything
either...
-Daemonic
Gary McMillen II
JMFDICE wrote:
>
> The problem with Metallica is that they shit on alot of their fans by
> selling out to MTV and everyone else
> --------------------------------
> Um, I guess that we aren't looking at the same band. Metallica has been
> nothing but good to me. every show I have been to has kicked major ass.
> Every album they have made is very satisfying, I'm in the fan club, and I
> can get so much cool shit about the band, rare recordings, etc, from them.
> i even got 7th row seats for their show. I haven't gotten so much from a
> band since Megadeth's last record.
and how long have you been a metallica fan???since the black
album???when metallica first started wussing out....all the fans I know
who have been Metallica fans for a long time hate what theyve come up
with...
>
> ...they're hypocrites...they went
> against everything metallica originally stood for...
> ===================
> How so? metallica is about metallica, its about what they want to do, not
> what the fans want them to do. They've stated that for years, and they
> would not have spent so much time and recorded so many songs in a style
> that they did not like. That isn't them at all, and it isn't them on this
> record.
Thats bullshit....theres only one reason metallica writes songs
now....money.....the saw that they could make so much more money
becomming a "radio-rock" band than a metal band.......lets face
it....the black album sold more copies than any other metallica
album....it went to thier heads...that is why they are hypocrites...they
said they would never change because of anyone else...and they
have.....they arnt doing what they want to...they are doing what makes
the most bucks....thats all...selling out....
They tried some new things, the music is slower, more melodic,
> James sings instead of grunting and barking, and the album has more
> emotion in it than any other album. Also, it has more of a 70's hard rock
> feel to it, I hear alot of nazareth in the last few songs. Hell, Hammet
> went to college, studied jazz as well as more theory behind music, and you
> can see some of the changees in his style, and in the soloing. They are
> doing what they want to do, they are being true to themselves.
>
fine...change the music......its true...you have to have change or the
music sounds monotonous after a while.....but the problem I find with
load is that...sure its slower...I dont mind that...but the music has
lost its punch....when I heard load ...the music sounded tired to
me...like they were running out of ideas.....and hammets leads truely
sucked.....I though most of his leads on load were to simple and
chezzy...compared to the old metallica days....plus I found hetfields
vocals annoying....he sings in a tired sounding monotone throughout the
album......
> still like
> metallica's old stuff...but I lost respect for them when they tried to
> turn into alternative wannabes.....lets face it metallica is burnt
> out....Load reflects that fact....
> ===================================================
> Personally, I think Load is the best album that they have ever made. what
> it did, in my opinion, it created a new style of metal, and while it is
> not the hardcore metal that has been put out by them, Megadeth, Anthrax,
> etc. inthe past. Its still pretty heavy, but it has given a new feel to
> metal.
Hell that album doesnt even desrve to be called metal.....because its
not.....
>
> Metallica still does not sound like anyone on the radio. No other band
> out there has put out an album like Load. And right now, no other band
> compares to metallica. They have showed that they are not one dimensional
> as a band, that they can be diverse in their sound, while still making
> good, quality and entertaining music. I have heard bits and pieces of
> some of the songs for the new album that should be out at the end of this
> year, (Devil's Dance is one) and all were pretty heavy, and a few sounded
> more like The thing That Should Not Be or harvester Of Sorrow. Hell,
> Jason and lars said the stuff that didn't make Load was more mid tempo and
> more like the "metal" that everyone is used to, that there wasn't as much
> experimenting as on the songs like Until it Sleeps or Bleeding Me. On an
> album of 14 songs, hero of the day and Momma said were the only two that
> seem to be geared toward the radio, but both of them are good songs. I've
> liked the album from day one, and I will always like it.
hmm...well they all sound geared to radio if you ask me.....obviously
you have a different opinion of load than I do....
>
> Oh yeah, I just saw metallica in san diego a week or so ago, and it was
> one of the best shows I have ever seen. Only the KISS show of last summer
> was better. For a burnt out band, they sure still kick ass
>
> The thing with Pantera, though, is that they are getting stale, or burnt
> out as someone else said. It seems that they have gone as far as they
> could go. The Great Southern Trendkill is a cool album, it kicks alot of
> ass, but there is nothing special about it. I would love to hear them
> experiment a bit, play some different styles, and open it up a bit.
>
>
I will give you that...Ive been to 2 metallica shows...they do put on a
pretty good show.....of course..they play mostly old stuff too...
As far as Pantera goes...I agree..they need to experiment a little
more...but at least they are still heavy and Dime can still rip the hell
out of a guitar....
Gary
Evil Incarnate
Gary McMillen II <gamcm...@pahrump.com> wrote:
>J.D. Stoner wrote:
>>
>> > Besides...Metallica is always trashing other bands on stage.....now that
>> > they suck...they should learn to take what they dished out
>> >
>>
>> Who have they trashed. And nobody made Phil apologize. MetallicA was taking
>> it just fine. They laughed in interviews when it was brought up. Get your
>> facts straight.
>my facts???...how many metallica concerts have you been to?? All of the
>ones I went to, Metallica trashed quite a few
>bands...slayer,megadeth,alice in chains....and on a show on the canadian
>music station Muchmusic...they trashed AC/DC pretty badly....someone
>asked Lars why the change in music...and he said "because we wanted
>something different.....we didnt want to sound like AC/DC...the same
>stuff over and over for the last 20 years....actually..ive never heard
>them pick on pantera yet...probably because pantera would kick their ass
>anyday....and they know it...
see...they werent trashing ac/dc...cuz ac/dc sounds exactly the same
in each album and rips off their own riffs. they just tell it as it
is.
as for AiC, slayer, megadeth etc. i dont know, i havent heard anything
about it.
-Daemonic
Gary McMillen II
LORDETH7 wrote:
>
> >
> > my facts???...how many metallica concerts have you been to?? All of the
> > ones I went to, Metallica trashed quite a few
> > bands...slayer,megadeth,alice in chains....and on a show on the canadian
>
> AiC so that doesn't make much sense.
>
vegas,NV....AiC...cancelled apparently due Layne Staleys heroin
problems....When Metallica can on stage...James said " ok guys we're
gonna do some new shit for you"....they started playing a parody of
Aic's "Man in the Box"...and James hetfield was making a gesture like he
was sticking a needle in his arm......if thats not picking on I dont
know what is...then the first show I went to in Binghamton,NY...James
gets on Lar's drum set and James and Lars were making fun of drummers
from bands such as Slayer, megadeth and Anthrax....
Gary McMillen II
> nope...and i dont plan to go see metallica anytime soon either. but
> looking at all the live shit videos i didnt hear them say anything
> either...
>
> -Daemonic
they prbably figure that it might be bad for business to slack on other
bands in thier videos because it might affect sales.....Ill admit...Ive
only been to 2 metallica shows...but each show....they picked on some
band....
Gary
Stephen Marshall
Ministry00 wrote:
>
> Look man, Phil has always been someone I looked up to and I'd be lying if
> I said it didn't disappoint me that he went back on what he was saying.
> as it sounded like in MetalEdge, which I'm glad for.
> Steven, remember me? There you go again, Marshall, acting like you're the
> big fucking peacemaker, then putting people down who don't like Load.
> You're so big on voicing opinions, let THEM voice THEIRS, fucknut. You
> call people mature when they change their minds to YOUR side, but if they
> stick with their opinion, what are they, according to you? "One-sided
> morons", I believe. Eat shit.
> As to Phil playing Metallica, like us all, he likes their OLD shit. Gimme
> a ring the day he starts playing a LOADofshit song.
> He has the right to say whatever he wants about another band, especially
> the one he grew up with. Now, all you supposed Load fans can talk to me in
> a few years or so and then see how popular Metallica is with the crowd. Or
> with their REAL fans, for that matter.
> Ben, once again, great post.
> Todd
> Live High, Stay Hostile, Smoke weed.
> CFHSTA
I did let them voice there's smart man. I merely posted what I read in
the interview, Phil's own words. I didn't make it up, read the damned
article. You should read theses usenet posts before you go downing me
and everyone else. I never said Phil didn't have the right to voice his
opinion on load, but I think on stage before thousands of people is not
the right forum for it. Fuck you for infering things in my posts that
aren't there, you illiterate fuck.
Stephen
Stephen Marshall
J.D. Stoner wrote:
>
> > Look man, Phil has always been someone I looked up to and I'd be lying if
> > I said it didn't disappoint me that he went back on what he was saying.
>
> it for awhile. Then he realizes that what he was doing is kinda messed up,
> so he apologizes. I think it was messed up. It's not like he changed his
> opinion on Load. He just decided that it was wrong to slam them for it on a
> nightly basis. He didn't really go back on it, just said that he shouldn't
> have said it.
Exactly.
Stephen
Gary McMillen II
>they prbably figure that it might be bad for business to slack on
other
>bands in thier videos because it might affect sales.....Ill
admit...Ive
>only been to 2 metallica shows...but each show....they picked on some
>band....
>
>Gary
>==============================
>
>I have seen Metallica three times, and the only thing was at the
beginning
>of the show with Danzig and Suicidal tendencies, an announcer said
that
>metallica had to cancel because of an "illness in the band" then a
loud
>FUCK YOU, BREADFAN was yelled and metallica came out. It was a rip on
>AIC's drug problems, but more a rip on how they handled it, with the
>"illness" line. Big deal, all bands seem to rip on other bands. It
adds
>to the fun
That wasnt the original point to the conversation. I said that Phil
Anselmo shouldnt have to apologize for hacking on Metallica...when they
do some pretty good hacking on other bands themselves...I got tons of
post back from people who didnt believe that metallica hacks on other
bands on stage...Personally I think its rather funny....and it does
spice up the show..
Gary
JMFDICE
JMFDICE wrote:
>
> The problem with Metallica is that they shit on alot of their fans by
> selling out to MTV and everyone else
> --------------------------------
> Um, I guess that we aren't looking at the same band. Metallica has been
> nothing but good to me. every show I have been to has kicked major ass.
> Every album they have made is very satisfying, I'm in the fan club, and
I
> can get so much cool shit about the band, rare recordings, etc, from
them.
> i even got 7th row seats for their show. I haven't gotten so much from
a
> band since Megadeth's last record.
and how long have you been a metallica fan???since the black
album???when metallica first started wussing out....all the fans I know
who have been Metallica fans for a long time hate what theyve come up
with...
============================================
since around master of puppets. thats about ten years or so.
>
> ...they're hypocrites...they went
> against everything metallica originally stood for...
> ===================
> How so? metallica is about metallica, its about what they want to do,
not
> what the fans want them to do. They've stated that for years, and they
> would not have spent so much time and recorded so many songs in a style
> that they did not like. That isn't them at all, and it isn't them on
this
> record.
Thats bullshit....theres only one reason metallica writes songs
now....money.....the saw that they could make so much more money
becomming a "radio-rock" band than a metal band.......lets face
it....the black album sold more copies than any other metallica
album....it went to thier heads...that is why they are hypocrites...they
said they would never change because of anyone else...and they
have.....they arnt doing what they want to...they are doing what makes
the most bucks....thats all...selling out....
=========================
I disagree. From what I have seen, and what I have read, I conclude they
didn't sell out. they changed because they changed. Whatever the
reasons, i don't care, because I still like the music a whole lot. I just
disagree that they changed for the money. But I guess thats bullshit, eh?
They tried some new things, the music is slower, more melodic,
> James sings instead of grunting and barking, and the album has more
> emotion in it than any other album. Also, it has more of a 70's hard
rock
> feel to it, I hear alot of nazareth in the last few songs. Hell, Hammet
> went to college, studied jazz as well as more theory behind music, and
you
> can see some of the changees in his style, and in the soloing. They are
> doing what they want to do, they are being true to themselves.
>
fine...change the music......its true...you have to have change or the
music sounds monotonous after a while.....but the problem I find with
load is that...sure its slower...I dont mind that...but the music has
lost its punch....when I heard load ...the music sounded tired to
me...like they were running out of ideas.....and hammets leads truely
sucked.....I though most of his leads on load were to simple and
chezzy...compared to the old metallica days....plus I found hetfields
vocals annoying....he sings in a tired sounding monotone throughout the
album......
=============================
I agree that the intensity is not the same, but I find LOAD full of more
emotion than the other albums. The feel is a feel I have been looking for
in an album for a long time. I don't think that his singing is
monotonous, I just think that he doesn't have a huge rage with his voice.
At least he sings better than Dave Mustaine, the king of the
vacuum-cleaner enema
> still like
> metallica's old stuff...but I lost respect for them when they tried to
> turn into alternative wannabes.....lets face it metallica is burnt
> out....Load reflects that fact....
> ===================================================
> Personally, I think Load is the best album that they have ever made.
what
> it did, in my opinion, it created a new style of metal, and while it is
> not the hardcore metal that has been put out by them, Megadeth, Anthrax,
> etc. inthe past. Its still pretty heavy, but it has given a new feel to
> metal.
Hell that album doesnt even desrve to be called metal.....because its
not.....
=======================
I disagree, I think its metal. Its just a different kind of metal, a new
style of metal
>
> Metallica still does not sound like anyone on the radio. No other band
> out there has put out an album like Load. And right now, no other band
> compares to metallica. They have showed that they are not one
dimensional
> as a band, that they can be diverse in their sound, while still making
> good, quality and entertaining music. I have heard bits and pieces of
> some of the songs for the new album that should be out at the end of
this
> year, (Devil's Dance is one) and all were pretty heavy, and a few
sounded
> more like The thing That Should Not Be or harvester Of Sorrow. Hell,
> Jason and lars said the stuff that didn't make Load was more mid tempo
and
> more like the "metal" that everyone is used to, that there wasn't as
much
> experimenting as on the songs like Until it Sleeps or Bleeding Me. On
an
> album of 14 songs, hero of the day and Momma said were the only two that
> seem to be geared toward the radio, but both of them are good songs.
I've
> liked the album from day one, and I will always like it.
hmm...well they all sound geared to radio if you ask me.....obviously
you have a different opinion of load than I do....
====================
the new songs sounded really cool, and I cannot wait for the album
>
> Oh yeah, I just saw metallica in san diego a week or so ago, and it was
> one of the best shows I have ever seen. Only the KISS show of last
summer
> was better. For a burnt out band, they sure still kick ass
>
> The thing with Pantera, though, is that they are getting stale, or burnt
> out as someone else said. It seems that they have gone as far as they
> could go. The Great Southern Trendkill is a cool album, it kicks alot
of
> ass, but there is nothing special about it. I would love to hear them
> experiment a bit, play some different styles, and open it up a bit.
>
>
I will give you that...Ive been to 2 metallica shows...they do put on a
pretty good show.....of course..they play mostly old stuff too...
As far as Pantera goes...I agree..they need to experiment a little
more...but at least they are still heavy and Dime can still rip the hell
out of a guitar....
Gary
==================
I agree, but they seem to be heavy just to be heavy, and to see how heavy
they can get. I think they should try and expand on Floods, that was a
great song, one of their best.
J.D. Stoner
>ive never heard
> >> them pick on pantera yet...probably because pantera would kick their
ass
> >> anyday....and they know it...
Actually, when asked about the whole phil thing, they responded with
something along the lines of "you can never take those heroin addicts too
seriously".
Gary McMillen II
> >>
> >> Gary McMillen II <gamcm...@pahrump.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >J.D. Stoner wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Besides...Metallica is always trashing other bands on stage.....now that
> >> >> > they suck...they should learn to take what they dished out
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Who have they trashed. And nobody made Phil apologize. MetallicA was taking
> >> >> it just fine. They laughed in interviews when it was brought up. Get your
> >> >> facts straight.
> >>
> >> >ones I went to, Metallica trashed quite a few
> >> >bands...slayer,megadeth,alice in chains....and on a show on the canadian
> >> >asked Lars why the change in music...and he said "because we wanted
> >> >something different.....we didnt want to sound like AC/DC...the same
> >> >them pick on pantera yet...probably because pantera would kick their ass
> >> >anyday....and they know it...
> >>
> >> in each album and rips off their own riffs. they just tell it as it
> >> is.
>
> >around busting on bands that could out sell them anyday...
>
No...they can talk shit about anyone they want to...I just think they
look stupid when they hack on bands that have a bigger reputation than
they do. They just better learn take what they dish out...as in the case
of pantera's Phil Anselmo..
Gary
JMFDICE
> nope...and i dont plan to go see metallica anytime soon either. but
> looking at all the live shit videos i didnt hear them say anything
> either...
>
> -Daemonic
Evil Incarnate
Gary McMillen II <gamcm...@pahrump.com> wrote:
>> nope...and i dont plan to go see metallica anytime soon either. but
>> looking at all the live shit videos i didnt hear them say anything
>> either...
>>
>> -Daemonic
>they prbably figure that it might be bad for business to slack on other
>bands in thier videos because it might affect sales.....Ill admit...Ive
>only been to 2 metallica shows...but each show....they picked on some
>band....
wonder why everyone talks about pantera and says shit about metallica.
really. its a big coverup, if you ask me.
-Daemonic
Gary McMillen II
> and how long have you been a metallica fan???since the black
> album???when metallica first started wussing out....all the fans I know
> who have been Metallica fans for a long time hate what theyve come up
> with...
> ============================================
> since around master of puppets. thats about ten years or so.
hmm...that is a suprize...as I said above....most of the people I know
who have been die hard metallica fans fo a long time do not like the new
album or the new image...you are definately one of the few...
>
>
> I disagree. From what I have seen, and what I have read, I conclude they
> didn't sell out. they changed because they changed. Whatever the
> reasons, i don't care, because I still like the music a whole lot. I just
> disagree that they changed for the money. But I guess thats bullshit, eh?
Obviously theres no point in arguing about it.....you have your opinions
and I have mine....Enuff said....Besides Im getting tired about talking
about metallica...I'd rather talk about something else....Besides this
is a pantera news group.....
>
> Hell that album doesnt even desrve to be called metal.....because its
> not.....
> =======================
> I disagree, I think its metal. Its just a different kind of metal, a new
> style of metal
Well then if its metal, its wimpy metal.....Real metal is supposed to be
heavy, agressive, in your face...not tired, burnt out, and monotonous
> I will give you that...Ive been to 2 metallica shows...they do put on a
> pretty good show.....of course..they play mostly old stuff too...
> As far as Pantera goes...I agree..they need to experiment a little
> more...but at least they are still heavy and Dime can still rip the hell
> out of a guitar....
>
> I agree, but they seem to be heavy just to be heavy, and to see how heavy
> they can get. I think they should try and expand on Floods, that was a
> great song, one of their best.
Well...I still think Pantera is good......I just wish Phil Anselmo would
attempt to sing a little like he did on "cowboys from hell"...his voice
was great on that album...... he just screams now...and that can get a
little stale......but I still like Pantera.
Gary
Gary
WrestleBen
<<I agree, but they seem to be heavy just to be heavy, and to see how
heavy
they can get. I think they should try and expand on Floods, that was a
great song, one of their best.>>
That is a great song, but don't count on Pantera selling out so you can
hear your slow new breed of puss metal. Go buy a fucking Bush album and
wack off.
---Ben---
http://members.aol.com/WrestleBen/pantera/main.html
RIGGS
LORDETH7 wrote:
>
> >
> > my facts???...how many metallica concerts have you been to?? All of the
> > ones I went to, Metallica trashed quite a few
> > bands...slayer,megadeth,alice in chains....and on a show on the canadian
>
> AiC so that doesn't make much sense.
>
> trashed AC/DC pretty badly....someone
> > asked Lars why the change in music...and he said "because we wanted
> > something different.....we didnt want to sound like AC/DC...the same
>
> your concersts.
>
> years....actually..ive never heard
> > them pick on pantera yet...probably because pantera would kick their ass
> > anyday....and they know it...
> >
WHY DO YOU LAUGH,BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW IT'S TRUE THAT PHIL CAN KICK THIER
DUMB HEAVY METAL WANNA BE ASSES.YOU BETTER SHUT YOUR MOUTH OR I'LL SHUT
IT WITH MY FIST.LOSER.
Kevin Murphy
>LORDETH7 wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > my facts???...how many metallica concerts have you been to?? All of the
>> > ones I went to, Metallica trashed quite a few
>> > bands...slayer,megadeth,alice in chains....and on a show on the canadian
>>
>> I'd like to know what they've said bout these bands...metallica likes
>> AiC so that doesn't make much sense.
>>
>ok....I went to a concert at the Sam Boyd Silver Bowl in Las
>vegas,NV....AiC...cancelled apparently due Layne Staleys heroin
>problems....When Metallica can on stage...James said " ok guys we're
>gonna do some new shit for you"....they started playing a parody of
>Aic's "Man in the Box"...and James hetfield was making a gesture like he
>was sticking a needle in his arm......if thats not picking on I dont
>know what is...then the first show I went to in Binghamton,NY...James
>gets on Lar's drum set and James and Lars were making fun of drummers
>from bands such as Slayer, megadeth and Anthrax....
I've been a fan since RTL, and with the exception of 2X4, Ain't my
Bitch, and King Nothing, Load does absolutely nothing for me, I
wouldn't even call it a Heavy Metal album. It sounds like Metallica
trying to be Soundgarden(that's not meant to be a slam on Soundgarden,
they're one of my favorite bands, but when I put on a Metallica CD, I
want to hear hard, agressive music.) I really think the band has got
to get rid of Bob Rock and get a producer who can bring the heaviness
back to the band. My choices would be Dave Jerden(sp), Flemming(come
back man!!), or maybe John Custer, who's done some great work with CoC
in the past. I'm sad to say, Metallica have definately lost their
edge. If I want to hear a great agressive heavy band, I reach for my
Pantera or Machine Head CD's these days.
As for the slamming other bands, I fuckin' hate that!! I didn't like
the pissing matches between Mustaine and the rest of the band 10 years
ago and it really pisses me off when you have to resort to slamming
other bands. Mike Muir was one for doing that and it really soured me
on Suicidal's music because of his piss poor attitude. Making fun of
someone who's fighting a loosing battle with herion makes James look
like an asshole. I think that he should stick to playing those killer
riffs he's so good at.
Just my humble opinion. Flame if you must.
kevin.
Gary McMillen II
Kevin Murphy wrote:
> I've been a fan since RTL, and with the exception of 2X4, Ain't my
> Bitch, and King Nothing, Load does absolutely nothing for me, I
> wouldn't even call it a Heavy Metal album. It sounds like Metallica
> trying to be Soundgarden(that's not meant to be a slam on Soundgarden,
> they're one of my favorite bands, but when I put on a Metallica CD, I
> want to hear hard, agressive music.) I really think the band has got
> to get rid of Bob Rock and get a producer who can bring the heaviness
> back to the band. My choices would be Dave Jerden(sp), Flemming(come
> back man!!), or maybe John Custer, who's done some great work with CoC
> in the past. I'm sad to say, Metallica have definately lost their
> edge. If I want to hear a great agressive heavy band, I reach for my
> Pantera or Machine Head CD's these days.
I agree. I think Bob Rock is one big reason why Metallica's music has
gone soft. The day Metallica fired Flemming and brought Bob into the
picture I knew the music was going to go soft because all of the albums
that have Bob Rock's name on them as producer are either wuss metal or
glam. I think they should bring back Flemming. I think it was a mistake
firing him in the first place.
>
> As for the slamming other bands, I fuckin' hate that!! I didn't like
> the pissing matches between Mustaine and the rest of the band 10 years
> ago and it really pisses me off when you have to resort to slamming
> other bands. Mike Muir was one for doing that and it really soured me
> on Suicidal's music because of his piss poor attitude. Making fun of
> someone who's fighting a loosing battle with herion makes James look
> like an asshole. I think that he should stick to playing those killer
> riffs he's so good at.
I dont understand it really. I think it does more harm than good to a
band's reputation to slack on other bands. Bands like metallica piss off
thier own fans by slacking on other bands becuase a lot of the fans also
listen to and are fans of the bands they are picking on. As far as James
picking on people with heroin addictions. He and the rest of Metallica
have nothing to talk about. They have had their own bouts with drugs and
alcohol.
Gary
EvilSmurf
Maybe they fired Flemming because of the HORRIBLE sound quality on And
Justice For All.
Wood
WrestleBen wrote:
>
> <<I agree, but they seem to be heavy just to be heavy, and to see how
> heavy
> they can get. I think they should try and expand on Floods, that was a
> great song, one of their best.>>
>
> hear your slow new breed of puss metal. Go buy a fucking Bush album and
> wack off.
>
> ---Ben---
> http://members.aol.com/WrestleBen/pantera/main.html
I fucking agree with you Ben! All the way...PanterA will never be
another AlternicA! Rock on, Man!
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Actually...I dont think Flemming was responsible for mixing the
album...anyway....I think the big problem with the mix on Justice was
the bass....there is absolutely no bass guitar on And Justice for
All...
Gary
Evil Incarnate
yeah...also i think back then he was one of the BIG metal
producers...or something...
meer...@rock.helsinki.fi
On Wed, 29 Jan 1997 14:56:11 -0800, RIGGS <RI...@COMPULINK.COM> wrote:
>LORDETH7 wrote:
>> hahahahahahahahahahahahaha>
>WHY DO YOU LAUGH,BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW IT'S TRUE THAT PHIL CAN KICK THIER
>DUMB HEAVY METAL WANNA BE ASSES.YOU BETTER SHUT YOUR MOUTH OR I'LL SHUT
>IT WITH MY FIST.LOSER.
>
>
Are you for real? I mean who cares about ass kicking anyway. It's the
music that matters. Both bands have made some great albums in the
past, Metallica a few more though.
stigim
Gary McMillen II wrote:
> The problem with Metallica is that they shit on alot of their fans by
> selling out to MTV and everyone else...they're hypocrites...they went
> against everything metallica originally stood for....
What do YOU think Metallica originally stood for? They stand for the
same things today that they stood for back then. Listen to the old
interviews with cliff where he says he wants to try new things. Yeah I
think Cliff would dig the album, He was a big fan of the EAgles, and
Blue Oyster Cult.
I have interviews with Lars from Master, Justice, TBA, and Load where
he says the same thing in each interview. "We are an inward looking
band. We worry about pleasing ourselves first and the fans second."
So they are still holding on to their original stand. Load is a NEW
direction for Metallica, I believe it was Motorbreath where Jaymz sings:
"Those people who tell you not to take chances,
They are all missing on what life's about,
You only live once so take hold of the chance,
Don't end up like others the same song and dance"
I can't think of one alternative band that Metallica sounds like. Name a
band that they sound like, I know they've lifted a riff here or there,
But Danzig isn't alternative either. Load doesn't sound stripped down
like Nirvana, or pussy like Pearl Jam. Jaymz doesn't sing the monotone
vocals.
I still like
> metallica's old stuff...but I lost respect for them when they tried to
> turn into alternative wannabes.....lets face it metallica is burnt
> out....Load reflects that fact....
They'd only be burnt out if this was Master part 4.
YOu can't say a totally new sounding album is being burnt out. Maybe
they're hunger for speed, thrash or whatever you choose to call it has,
but they certainly haven't.
st.
stigim
Gary McMillen II wrote:
>
> No...they can talk shit about anyone they want to...I just think they
> look stupid when they hack on bands that have a bigger reputation than
> they do. They just better learn take what they dish out...as in the case
> of pantera's Phil Anselmo..
>
OK so you're saying Pantera is bigger than Metallica. NOt you've got me
laughing. Let's see Pntera and Metallica played the same venue in
Mansfield in 95 Metallica sold it out. Pantera didn't even sell out the
seating area in fact they were selling tickets 2 for 1 for the last
three days before the show.
Now in 97 Metallica hvae just sold out two nights in the area in one day
The Fleet Center and Providence Civic Center. They have added a second
night at the Fleet center. Pantera just played here. A club. They
barely sold that out. I got tickets for it three days before the show.
st.
> Gary
Alfie
On Thu, 6 Feb 1997, stigim wrote:
>
> OK so you're saying Pantera is bigger than Metallica. NOt you've got me
> laughing. Let's see Pntera and Metallica played the same venue in
> Mansfield in 95 Metallica sold it out. Pantera didn't even sell out the
> seating area in fact they were selling tickets 2 for 1 for the last
> three days before the show.
> Now in 97 Metallica hvae just sold out two nights in the area in one day
> The Fleet Center and Providence Civic Center. They have added a second
> night at the Fleet center. Pantera just played here. A club. They
> barely sold that out. I got tickets for it three days before the show.
yeah well with all the new frat boy and soroity girle fans of course
there going to sell out faster. Pantera has a hard core base of fans more
concentrated in some areas than others. In detroit a pantera show will
sell out in a day, in Tennessee it may not sell out. So yeah go see a
metallica show with all the people wearing their Tommy hillfiger crap,
i'll go to a real hard core show.
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Yes, finally, you admit that Metallica "SOLD OUT". So what if they sell
out a show in a day if everyone buying the tickets is a damned poser?????
I've seen Metallica and Pantera both in the last 6 months (Pantera twice)
and the Pantera shows were both better then the Metallica show by far. I
saw Pantera two days before Metallica last summer and there were 15,000
people at the Pantera show. I don't know if that venue was completely sold
out, but 15,000 people is a hell of a lot of people, and the place looked
completely packed. The best thing was that EVERYbody at the Pantera show
was totally cool. The pit was awesome, you couldn't fall down the whole
time cuz people were watchin' out for ya. It wasn't lovey and cuddly, but
people knew what the fuck was going on and everyone enjoyed the show. The
Metallica show was at Lollapalooza and it SUCKED!!!!!!! I was there to see
Soundgarden and even that was dissapointing cuz the crowd was so lousy (I
loved SG though). There were a whole bunch of fucking poser 12 year olds
there who were wearing offspring t-shirts and bush t-shirts who were also
there to see Metallica. The pit was weak and there were a whole bunch of
kids just hitting eachother cuz they didn't know what they were doing. It
was so stupid. Besides that Metallia gave such a weak performance. Yeah,
they SOLD OUT the place, but they had to SELL OUT to do it. Weak.
stigim <sti...@ici.net> wrote in article <32F985...@ici.net>...
> Gary McMillen II wrote:
>
> >
> > No...they can talk shit about anyone they want to...I just think they
> > look stupid when they hack on bands that have a bigger reputation than
> > they do. They just better learn take what they dish out...as in the
case
> > of pantera's Phil Anselmo..
> >
>
>
> OK so you're saying Pantera is bigger than Metallica. NOt you've got me
> laughing. Let's see Pntera and Metallica played the same venue in
> Mansfield in 95 Metallica sold it out. Pantera didn't even sell out the
> seating area in fact they were selling tickets 2 for 1 for the last
> three days before the show.
> Now in 97 Metallica hvae just sold out two nights in the area in one day
> The Fleet Center and Providence Civic Center. They have added a second
> night at the Fleet center. Pantera just played here. A club. They
> barely sold that out. I got tickets for it three days before the show.
>
> st.
> > Gary
>
Brian Shrader
stigim <sti...@ici.net> wrote in article <32F983...@ici.net>...
> I can't think of one alternative band that Metallica sounds like. Name a
> band that they sound like, I know they've lifted a riff here or there,
> But Danzig isn't alternative either. Load doesn't sound stripped down
> like Nirvana, or pussy like Pearl Jam. Jaymz doesn't sing the monotone
> vocals.
>
Did you see them play at the MTV Europe music awards???????? They sounded
like Green Day!!!!! The guitar riffs were Green Day riffs, and James'
voice WAS "monotone vocals". The only thing that made his voice different
than the guy from GD was that stupid "I'm an american trying to sound like
a brit impersonating an american" accent that pisses me off so much. Met
just got up and did some weak GD riffs and James was saying "fuck" every
other word like he couldn't come up with something more original to say.
For a minute I thought he was taking lyrical lessons from Gangsta rap.
JMFDICE
Alfie said:
yeah well with all the new frat boy and soroity girle fans of course
there going to sell out faster. Pantera has a hard core base of fans more
concentrated in some areas than others. In detroit a pantera show will
sell out in a day, in Tennessee it may not sell out. So yeah go see a
metallica show with all the people wearing their Tommy hillfiger crap,
i'll go to a real hard core show.
========================================================
Well, far beit from me to disagree with my esteemed almost alumn and
friend Alfie,
By the way, how's A2 holding up? Still suck?
But I went to see Metallica here in San Diego, and the show was one of the
best shows I have seen. The stage presence was awesome, they looked like
they were having a good time, and they were running up to thecrowd, and
interacting alot. The music was awesome, and their playing was awesome,
too. Yes, James got the crowd chanting "We don't give a shit" but you
didn't tell the whole story. It was the intro to "Ain't My Bitch" which
is basically about the same mentality. That is the only time they
mentioned anything about anything that has been floating around,
particularly the sell out debate. And there weren't too many of these
sell out fans that are assumed to have popped up. Most of it was the
20-30 crowd, and the high schoolers (Korn, the shit band was opening for
them) And, oh my God, it looked identical to a Pantera show. The same
age groups were there, and the same look, the same styles. And they were
having fun.
Whats wrong with smiling and having fun on stage? For the most part,
metal songs deal with more distubing and more sobering song themes, but
that doesn't mean that the bands have to come out to a show all pissed off
and all. I'm there to have fun, why shouldn't the band.
But the metallica show and the Pantera show have different energies, and
different emotions. When I think of Pantera, its more hardcore than
metallica is, and I can only think of metallica back in early 1980's,
around Kill Em All and even before with Dave Mustaine in the band.
Pantera's shows are more geared toward the club venue, while metallica's
have been arena shows since thee Master of Puppets tour.
I know I usually come away alot more sore at a Pantera show (five to date)
but I also go into them expecting something different from each. But I
cannot complain about any of the shows I have seen with any band, there
hasn't been a bad show yet.
John, aka JMFDICE
stigim
Actually I DID see them at the Eurpe music awards and their riffs
sounded more like MISFITS and Anti-Nowhere League riffs than Green DAy.
(who owe a lot to the MISFITS) They were playing punk songs, so you are
in effect saying that Green Day has ripped off the MISFITS. And no i
didn't hear his Brit accent. Yeah Jaymz was saying fuck and twat and
cunt and cock every other word, and I thought it was great. I could just
picture all those tight ass MTV execs shitting themselves. Besides those
were the words to So What which Jaymz didn't right. Sounds to me like
you only know Metallica, Pantera and Green Day.
charlie
Alfie wrote:
>
>
> So yeah go see a
> metallica show with all the people wearing their Tommy hillfiger crap,
> i'll go to a real hard core show.
>
right now.
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J.D. Stoner
> yeah well with all the new frat boy and soroity girle fans of course
> there going to sell out faster. Pantera has a hard core base of fans more
> concentrated in some areas than others. In detroit a pantera show will
> metallica show with all the people wearing their Tommy hillfiger crap,
> i'll go to a real hard core show.
Luckily, where I live, it isn't cool to like MetallicA. Therefor there most
recent concert here was filled with true fans that know that they have more
than 2 albums.
J.D. Stoner
>i saw them last
> sunday...they all had the biggest goofiest >grins youve ever seen
..james gets
> the whole crowd to chant in unison (brace >yourself) 'we dont give a
shit' whoop
> whoop!
They used to chant "Metal up your ass". that sounds goofy to me as well.
but it still is cool (that was 83-84)
>they have totally lost the seriousness they >had on justice tour...they
> were just fucking around the whole >concert...
While playing, I found that they maintained their seriousness. They only
screwed around inbetween songs. That is the way that they have always been.
They don't go up and give the "I don't have to be here, I am just getting
money" attitude that the alternative shit groups made so popular. (and the
stupid ass sex pistols). I don't think the stage presence has changed that
much
>and it was SO loud that 3 days
> later my right ear is still not able to >hear someone sitting next to me,
and i
> have been to at least 12 metallica shows >and an equal number of
pantera...one
> show on FBD tour was loud enough to really >really hurt, but this one was
louder
> past taht point
They do definately keep it loud. My ears rang pretty loud for 3 days. But I
didn't mind. I just thought of why they are ringing, and that cheered me
up. I am not a regular concert goer though. If I saw them on a regular
basis, I would surely wear earplugs. It's not worth fuckin your ears up for
life.
Evil Incarnate
"J.D. Stoner" <kt...@ocsnet.net> wrote:
yeah. they know about the first album. they know about justice. :)
-Daemonic
James S. Kang
I didn't catch the beginning...Phil apologized?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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We shall arise!"
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MKozlowV22
I love Metallica as well as PANTERA ! ! ! I have a lot more respect
for PANTERA because they aren't sellouts like Metallica .
I will be FOREVER a PANTTERA FAN
WrestleBen
<<PANTTERA>>
That is about the dumbest thing i have ever heard. Don't you think this
thread is dead??? The trend is dead, but now the thread is dead...
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Kimmy Samuelsson
Yeah, but when it comes to Metallica the emphasis is really on the past.
Merix
Maybe that's how you feel but I'll take LOAD over TGSTK anytime. Let's
say RtL vs. VDoP, that is a close one.
Wood
NO CONTEST! VDOP!!! (I do like RTL though)
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gl...@gnofn.org
On Tue, 18 Feb 1997, Kimmy Samuelsson wrote:
> meer...@rock.helsinki.fi wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 29 Jan 1997 14:56:11 -0800, RIGGS <RI...@COMPULINK.COM> wrote:
> >
> > >LORDETH7 wrote:
> > >> hahahahahahahahahahahahaha>
> > >WHY DO YOU LAUGH,BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW IT'S TRUE THAT PHIL CAN KICK THIER
> > >DUMB HEAVY METAL WANNA BE ASSES.YOU BETTER SHUT YOUR MOUTH OR I'LL SHUT
> > >IT WITH MY FIST.LOSER.
> > >
> > >
> > Are you for real? I mean who cares about ass kicking anyway. It's the
> > music that matters. Both bands have made some great albums in the
> > past, Metallica a few more though.
>
> Yeah, but when it comes to Metallica the emphasis is really on the past.
>
I missed this thread. Did anyone post the article? I'd like to read it.
Greg L.Stassi
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<gl...@gnofn.org> wrote:
>On Tue, 18 Feb 1997, Kimmy Samuelsson wrote:
>> meer...@rock.helsinki.fi wrote:
>> >
>> > On Wed, 29 Jan 1997 14:56:11 -0800, RIGGS <RI...@COMPULINK.COM> wrote:
>> >
>> > >LORDETH7 wrote:
>> > >> hahahahahahahahahahahahaha>
>> > >WHY DO YOU LAUGH,BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW IT'S TRUE THAT PHIL CAN KICK THIER
>> > >DUMB HEAVY METAL WANNA BE ASSES.YOU BETTER SHUT YOUR MOUTH OR I'LL SHUT
>> > >IT WITH MY FIST.LOSER.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > Are you for real? I mean who cares about ass kicking anyway. It's the
>> > music that matters. Both bands have made some great albums in the
>> > past, Metallica a few more though.
>>
>> Yeah, but when it comes to Metallica the emphasis is really on the past.
>>
>I missed this thread. Did anyone post the article? I'd like to read it.
i dunno... but i have another article, from my local newspaper of all
places, that i'm gonna post... its a pretty good article... good
enough for me to take my time to type up...i even typed up the
"[expletive]" parts...heheheh..
OVERDOSE PUT PANTERA'S PHIL ANSELMO ON A STRAIGHTER PATH
by thor christensen
You cant be a headbanger if you're losing your head. But Phil Alselmo
didnt learn that lesson until he was halfway to the morgue.
"I died and came back to life, to be quite honest with you, and it
really opened my eyes," says Mr. Anselmo, lead growler for the Dallas
metal band Pantera. "I'm through with the deluded path, the blinded
path, the narcotic path."
The 29-year-old singer was strolling down that path July 13th, 1996,
when he overdosed on heroin backstage after a Pantera show at
Coca-Cola Starplex. Paramedics revived him, and the singer issued a
press release four days later saying, "I, Philip H. Anselmo ...
injected a lethal dose of heroin into my arm, and died for four to
five minutes," the statement said. "...I have recovered completely and
the Pantera tour continues uninterrupted."
But Mr. Anselmo didnt walk away from the overdose unfazed.
"I took it as a sign that I cant be irresponsible anymore... I cant
regress into some infantile stage where people have to take care of
me. I've got too much work to do to be wasted all the time," says Mr.
Anselmo, who performs Saturday night with Pantera at Fair Park
Coliseum.
Formed in Arlington in the early '80s as a glam-metal band, Pantera
grew into a word-of-mouth sensation after Mr. Anselmo joined in 1987
and the band released its punk-influenced major-label debut album,
Cowboys From Hell (1990). Instead of steering toward a mass audience,
Pantera went the opposite direction.
Their songs -- about psychotic people living in a world headed for
destruction -- grew increasingly raw and foreboding. And the mass
audience came to them.
The group's 1994 album, Far Beyond Driven, debuted at No. 1 on the
Billboard pop albums chart and sold 2 million copies worldwide -- a
startling number for music that gets almost no airplay on radio or
MTV. Pantera's fourth and latest album, The Great Southern Trendkill,
has sold more than 500,000 copies in the United States and earned a
Grammy nomination for best metal performance (for the song Suicide
Note Part 1).
But while Pantera was cementing its status as one of the heaviest
bands in metal, Mr. Anselmo was turning into the same brain-impaired
stoner he mocked in songs like "Good Friends and a Bottle Of Pills".
After abusing downers and other pills for years, he turned to heroin
-- being careful to hide his addiction from his bandmates Vinnie Paul
Abbott (drums), "Dimebag" Darrell Abbott (guitar) and Rex Brown
(bass).
The overdose was inevitable, Mr. Anselmo says, but surviving it was
pure luck.
"Had I been on the bus or on the road somewhere where there werent
paramedics right there, I'd be dead today," he says. "I was just in
the right place at the right time."
Mr. Anselmo hasnt exactly turned into a choirboy since his near
death experience.
"I still smoke a little of the green bud and have a beer after a
show," he says.
And he still speaks in the same surly, expletive-laced manner of a
guy with an 80-pound chip on his shoulder.
But the days of thinking he was invincible are over, he says.
"I used to figure nothing could beat me, but after years of abuse,
your mind stops working well, and I'm sick of being in the dark," he
says. "Its nice having my head back on straight because I'm tired of
meeting people I've met before, or hearing about these things I did or
said and not remembering any of them."
One thing he'd rather not remember are his public attacks on
Metallica last year. Mr. Anselmo repeatedly ripped into his colleages
onstage for experimenting with nonmetal styles on their Load album:
"Metallica has wimped out! Their new album [expletive]! I know it,
you know it," he told the crowd at Starplex in July.
"It started as me ribbing them, but I'd be so high onstage that I
didnt even know what I was saying," he says. "I've got nothing
against Metallica ... They could put out an album of [expletive]
spoons and harps and I'd still be a fan. I've definitely tried to come
out in the press and apologize to them."
But the singer refuses to apologize for Pantera's purist approach to
heavy metal.
"I could never [expletive] expiriment like Metallica did, and it
aint out of fear. Its just out of loyalty to our fans," he says.
"When I meet the fans backstage, they say 'god bless you for not
changing', and 'thank you, thank you, thank you for not selling out'.
I just couldnt bear to see the looks on their faces if we tried to
branch out and add industrial sounds or something. It wouldnt be fair
to the fans."
Some critics describe Pantera's young, mostly male fans as Beavis
and Butthead incarnate.
"Even the good reviews all say things like 'Pantera's [expletive]
fans are the ugliest, stupidest [expletive] people in the [expletive]
world,'" the singer says.
But for Mr. Anselmo, those [expletive] fans are a constant source of
amazement.
"They dont come to our shows because they saw us on MTV for four
seconds, and now they're curious... These are diehards who show up
totally rabid. They're as pumped up as we are, and they give
[expletive] 210 percent, and its beautiful, man," he says.
"One reason I'm so happy to be awake again and alive is just to see
these fans go ape [expletive] at our shows every night... It makes me
feel like I'm 15 again, jumping up and down in front of a mirror with
Kiss' Alive playing. Its like finding the fountain of youth -- you see
the fans, and there's no way you're ready to pack it in and go listen
to the new Pat Boone record."
Rob Morris
> Maybe that's how you feel but I'll take LOAD over TGSTK anytime. Let's
> say RtL vs. VDoP, that is a close one.
YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING!!!! LOAD BLOWS! TRENDKILL IS A MASTERPEICE!!
Rob
Jonas Ohlsson
TGSTK sucks compared to Cowboys From Hell and VDoP. Load is much better
than Trendkill. There are only two really rocking songs on Trendkill.
/Jonas Ohlsson
Brian Shrader
Jonas Ohlsson <jzt...@algonet.se> wrote in article
<331731...@algonet.se>...
> TGSTK sucks compared to Cowboys From Hell and VDoP. Load is much better
> than Trendkill. There are only two really rocking songs on Trendkill.
>
> /Jonas Ohlsson
>
That would be exactly two more rocking songs than are on Load. All the
songs on Metallica's latest SUCK. What a dissapointment.
Link
Disclaimer: The post below is simply my opinion, I am not accusing of anybody of a traiterous act for having a
opinion different than mine.
Jonas Ohlsson wrote:
>
> Rob Morris wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe that's how you feel but I'll take LOAD over TGSTK anytime. Let's
> > > say RtL vs. VDoP, that is a close one.
> >
> > YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING!!!! LOAD BLOWS! TRENDKILL IS A MASTERPEICE!!
> > Rob
>
> TGSTK sucks compared to Cowboys From Hell and VDoP. Load is much better
> than Trendkill. There are only two really rocking songs on Trendkill.
>
> /Jonas Ohlsson
As opposed to a bunch of crap on Load?!!! When I read the lyrics to "ain't my bitch" I just about shit myself
laughing so hard. And I thought King NOthing was Tripping Daisy the first time I heard it. I also thought I
was watching a R.E.M. or Smashing Pumpkins video for until it sleeps. I have lost all faith in Metallica.
--
"WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT????!!!! _FUCK YOU!!!!!!_"
Brian Johnston
EvilSmurf
Jonas Ohlsson wrote:
> TGSTK sucks compared to Cowboys From Hell and VDoP. Load is much better
> than Trendkill. There are only two really rocking songs on Trendkill.
>
> /Jonas Ohlsson
And how many really rocking songs are on Load?
Judy Gerber
Trendkill? Oh, you must mean Trendjumper... Give me a break -- you can't
compare Pantera to Metallica, including or excluding Load. Metallica has been
the premier metal band for years now. Pantera was good on Cowboys From Hell
and Vulgar Display of Power and Far Beyond Driven was okay, but they can't
compare to any of Metallica's releases. Unlike Phil Anselmo (who has a big
mouth, is jealous and is a complete idiot), Metallica never pretended to be
something they weren't. (let's not forget the pre-Cowboys releases, now).
Renee
IGAP
EvilSmurf <hack...@mail.netlabs.net> wrote:
>Jonas Ohlsson wrote:
>> TGSTK sucks compared to Cowboys From Hell and VDoP. Load is much better
>> than Trendkill. There are only two really rocking songs on Trendkill.
>And how many really rocking songs are on Load?
11. (all except Mama Said, Until it Sleeps & Thorn Within)
EvilSmurf
Well, Drag the Waters makes Ain't My Bitch sound like something by
Boys II Men.
Sabino
Bottom line is pantera and metallica both suck and have sucked for years
now, metallica since '90 and panters since 'tgstk. get over it. find new
idols. they are dead (except for Dime...he still rips anyone out there)
Zombie666
If both Metallica and Pantera sucks.... who doesn't???? I personally
think Metallica went down the shithole, but Pantera still fucking rocks.
Just my
$0.02
Zombie666
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http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/3667/
Evil Incarnate
zombi...@geocities.com (Zombie666) wrote:
>In article <331D2A...@sprintmail.com>, sab...@sprintmail.com wrote:
>> EvilSmurf wrote:
>> >
>> > IGAP wrote:
>> > >
>> > > EvilSmurf <hack...@mail.netlabs.net> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >Jonas Ohlsson wrote:
>> > > >> TGSTK sucks compared to Cowboys From Hell and VDoP. Load is much better
>> > > >> than Trendkill. There are only two really rocking songs on Trendkill.
>> > >
>> > > >And how many really rocking songs are on Load?
>> > >
>> > > 11. (all except Mama Said, Until it Sleeps & Thorn Within)
>> >
>> > Well, Drag the Waters makes Ain't My Bitch sound like something by
>> > Boys II Men.
>>
>> Bottom line is pantera and metallica both suck and have sucked for years
>> now, metallica since '90 and panters since 'tgstk. get over it. find new
>> idols. they are dead (except for Dime...he still rips anyone out there)
>If both Metallica and Pantera sucks.... who doesn't????
are pantera and metallica the only metal bands out there?
WrestleBen
<< Metallica never pretended to be something they weren't>>
So they don't pretend to wear make up now?? And i think you make an
interesting point when you say to forget about Load. I think Metallica
should forget about Load, and write some real music again. I also think
this topic has been dead for about 6 months now.
---Ben---
http://members.aol.com/WrestleBen/pantera/main.html
Christian 'Kali' Naumann
xy...@mindspring.com (Evil Incarnate) wrote:
>zombi...@geocities.com (Zombie666) wrote:
Most people seem to think that here, ehhmm maybe they Megadeth too,
but that“s it. Both Metallica and Pantera were better and there are
now so many really good bands many guys here will ever recognise,
because they are stuck to those two maybe 3 bands.
Get a live and look out for some good stuff ou there, especially in
the US, where maybe 80 percent of the newsgroupers here come from
there are such good underground-metal bands again. I“d even say forget
Metallica and Pantera, there are better bands out there, both in terms
of technical skill and songwriting skill. You just have to get off the
trendwagon and look out for it!!!!!
Like Warrel Dane said: "Don“t follow the bandwagon, metal is going
nowhere!"
That sums it up pretty well.
-Kali
J.D. Stoner
>I´d even say forget
>Metallica and Pantera, there are better bands out > >there, both in terms
>of technical skill and songwriting skill. You just >have to get off the
>trendwagon and look out for it!!!!!
I listen to a lot of other bands, and enjoy them immensely (Machine Head,
Fear Factory, Cannibal Corpse, Sepultura, Crowbar...) but I know that
MetallicA and Pantera will most likely always remain 1,2. They introduced
me to metal, and I got into them before I even heard of other bands. They
have a special place in my heart, and I can't help but like their music. I
listen to it objectively, but I always end up liking it. Maybe it's just my
subconcious, but I have yet to hear a metallica or pantera song that I
don't like.
Antonis Loizou
On Wed, 05 Mar 1997 20:20:22 GMT, xy...@mindspring.com (Evil
Incarnate) wrote:
>zombi...@geocities.com (Zombie666) wrote:
>
>>In article <331D2A...@sprintmail.com>, sab...@sprintmail.com wrote:
>
>>> EvilSmurf wrote:
>>> >
>>> > IGAP wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > EvilSmurf <hack...@mail.netlabs.net> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > >Jonas Ohlsson wrote:
>>> > > >> TGSTK sucks compared to Cowboys From Hell and VDoP. Load is much better
>>> > > >> than Trendkill. There are only two really rocking songs on Trendkill.
>>> > >
>>> > > >And how many really rocking songs are on Load?
>>> > >
>>> > > 11. (all except Mama Said, Until it Sleeps & Thorn Within)
>>> >
>>> > Well, Drag the Waters makes Ain't My Bitch sound like something by
>>> > Boys II Men.
>>>
>>> Bottom line is pantera and metallica both suck and have sucked for years
>>> now, metallica since '90 and panters since 'tgstk. get over it. find new
>>> idols. they are dead (except for Dime...he still rips anyone out there)
>
>>If both Metallica and Pantera sucks.... who doesn't????
>
>are pantera and metallica the only metal bands out there?
>
Look man, load sucks and so does TGST, but this doesn't mean the bands
are dead and shit like. I don't know about pantera for shure, BUT as
any real metallihead would know , load was published just so metallica
would see how far their fans would go with them and the outcome was
extermely positive. An other important piece of info and serious
metallihead would have is that the new album was promises faster and
heavier.
PsychosisV
>are pantera and metallica the only metal bands out there?
Nope. Try Overkill, Megadeth, Deicide, Carcass, Cannibal Corpse,
Cancer, Anthrax, Grip Inc., Death, Venom, Slayer, Testament,
Sacred Reich, Morbid Angel, Possessed, King Diamond, Exodus,
Kreator, Iced Earth, Dismember, Winter, Hypocrisy, Voivod,
Obituary, Bathory, Corpse Vomit, Mercyful Fate, Judeca, Candle
Mass, Misfits, Denial, Black Sabbath, Down... shall I go on?
Tim Gibson
Sorry dude. Load wasn't a test for the fans, as you state. It is an album
that satifies the bands need to reach beyond the boundries of metal and do
what ever the fuck they want to do.
--
Please cc me via e-mail at tgi...@hotmail.com
Antonis Loizou wrote in article <335dd497...@news.spidernet.net>...
>On Wed, 05 Mar 1997 20:20:22 GMT, xy...@mindspring.com (Evil
>Incarnate) wrote:
>
>>zombi...@geocities.com (Zombie666) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <331D2A...@sprintmail.com>, sab...@sprintmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>> EvilSmurf wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > IGAP wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > EvilSmurf <hack...@mail.netlabs.net> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > >Jonas Ohlsson wrote:
>>>> > > >> TGSTK sucks compared to Cowboys From Hell and VDoP. Load is
much better
>>>> > > >> than Trendkill. There are only two really rocking songs on
Trendkill.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > >And how many really rocking songs are on Load?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 11. (all except Mama Said, Until it Sleeps & Thorn Within)
>>>> >
>>>> > Well, Drag the Waters makes Ain't My Bitch sound like something by
>>>> > Boys II Men.
>>>>
>>>> Bottom line is pantera and metallica both suck and have sucked for
years
>>>> now, metallica since '90 and panters since 'tgstk. get over it. find
new
>>>> idols. they are dead (except for Dime...he still rips anyone out
there)
>>
>>>If both Metallica and Pantera sucks.... who doesn't????
>>
>>
SET TREND'S, DON'T FOLLOW EM'
eeman are you stupid! pantera kill's eveything! trst rip's the shit out of
everything that your weak mind listens to! only thing you said i agree with
is that dime rules! so get with it man .
Evil Incarnate
jhol...@jupitr.enet.qntm.com (SET TREND'S, DON'T FOLLOW EM') wrote:
>eeman are you stupid! pantera kill's eveything! trst rip's the shit out of
>everything that your weak mind listens to! only thing you said i agree with
>is that dime rules! so get with it man .
TGSTK sounds like it was suppossed to sound like noise. and, just like
the concept, it fuckin sucks.
-Daemonic
King Mike
Evil Incarnate wrote:
>
>
> TGSTK sounds like it was suppossed to sound like noise. and, just like
> the concept, it fuckin sucks.
>
>
So, what's Load supposed to sound like? Is Floods noise? Is 10's
noise? Drag the Waters? Now, SN Pt II or the beginning of Sandblasted
Skin might sound like noise, but it doesn't suck. TGST is not as good
an album as say, VDOP, but it still rules. This sounds like they tried
new things, new sounds, and still sounded like good old Pantera. Now,
as for Load. . . Don't get me wrong, I like Load. You can actually
hear Jason, and I like the strength of Jaymz's vocals, but some of the
lyrics suck. Metallica tried a new sound, and it is distinguishable as
Metallica, but the album doesn't "fit" with the other albums like TGST
does. Poor Twisted Me, Ronnie, Outlaw Torn, Mama Said, Cure; do these
really sound like Metallica songs? So then, what is Load supposed to
sound like?
King
Mike
--
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Evil Incarnate
King Mike <aqui...@epix.net> wrote:
>Evil Incarnate wrote:
>>
>>
>> TGSTK sounds like it was suppossed to sound like noise. and, just like
>> the concept, it fuckin sucks.
>>
>>
>> -Daemonic
> So, what's Load supposed to sound like? Is Floods noise? Is 10's
>noise? Drag the Waters? Now, SN Pt II or the beginning of Sandblasted
>Skin might sound like noise, but it doesn't suck. TGST is not as good
>an album as say, VDOP, but it still rules. This sounds like they tried
>new things, new sounds, and still sounded like good old Pantera. Now,
>as for Load. . . Don't get me wrong, I like Load. You can actually
>hear Jason, and I like the strength of Jaymz's vocals, but some of the
>lyrics suck. Metallica tried a new sound, and it is distinguishable as
>Metallica, but the album doesn't "fit" with the other albums like TGST
>does. Poor Twisted Me, Ronnie, Outlaw Torn, Mama Said, Cure; do these
>really sound like Metallica songs? So then, what is Load supposed to
>sound like?
well, first off, i dont think it matters at all if an album sounds
like its by or not by a certain band, that never made any sense to me.
second of all, when i said noise, i meant the equivalent of it with
vox/guitars/etc. for instance, take a listen to the first track; it
starts out with phil screaming and the guitars simply making noise.
now, i dont have a problem with either, but either whoever produced
the album was even more incompetant then the guy that produced
"Reek..." by carcass, or it was meant to sound like loud noise.
granted, there are songs that are obviously not, but its the
production (which i think is intentional) that pisses me off. as does
the guitar tone. musically its still decent (i dont like pantera all
that much), but the general sound of the album is shit.
-Daemonic