Americana - what a sell-out and why it sucks
Caffeine
the minute their first video off of smash played on MTV, but do i hold that
against them? fuck no! that doesnt make them less of a band....and americana
was awesome, have you ever? staring at the sun, she's got issues, the kids
arent alright, the end of the line, americana are all damn good songs. get
over this sell out bullshut frame of mind, listen to the album and true fans
will actually like it.
Badfish
I guess you've already had some discussion on this topic here, but I
want to say that Americana just sucks. Prior to it's release I liked
Offspring (especially the self titled album and some ixnay) but this
teenie boppin' album made me change my mind. When I first picked up the
CD I noticed they are now on Sony Music(wtf?), and I feared there music
would be all commercial now. Put the CD into the player...and right,
sounds like shit. After listening to it a few times I have to admit
maybe two or three songs are OK, but the rest is a pain in my ears.
And it's kind of funny like they make fun of boy groups in their song
Pretty Fly, and it seems they now tend to point themselves in that
direction? Self irony? Also their audience has changed alot. All the
suckers are running and buying Americana cause they've seen the pretty
fly video(yeah, of course alot of girls shakin' their asses - that
sells!) on eMpTyV. And worst of all these people are singing this damned
song all the time. The same kids who are listening to Britney Spears.
Another thing: the local radio stations where I live would never play a
real punk rock song, but they're playing Pretty Fly all the time. What i
want to say is that their latest album is not punk at all. Neither its
music nor attitude. Kind of sad how quick a band can become a sell-out.
Snuffy
Smash & Ignitionwas on Epitaph
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Badfish
I agree that Smash was already a sell out, but Americana is even worse.
Back then their music was considered punk(even if they were a sell
out), but now
their music is bad _and_ it's a sell out.
And don't tell me true fans like it, I have this friend who listend to
Offspring
all day prior to Americana, and even he says this album sucks. Everyone
I know who's into punk rock says Americana is a piece of shit.
RRaLeX SEPTiC
neither are any other alleged 'punk' bands that i listen to: NOFX,
wildhearts, etc..., and i like it that way. the music however is still, for
the most part, fast energetic and still rox. so what if they've sold out,
they have to make a living somehow. just remember some of the better songs
on smash/americana:
self esteem, come out and play, bad habit etc... (gotta get away sucked)
she's got issues, walla walla, feelings cover... (ok, the singles pretty
much suck.)
also, i doubt anybody saying that offspring have sold out have been to any
of their gigs recently. i went to a gig in manchester, england about 2
months ago and they were f*kin unbelievable.
keep the faith.
LemurLad
and ...Job) sold even more than previous ones (Come Out and Play, ie). Heaven
forbid a band have a couple songs that might be a little positive! I'll grant,
they're not my favorites, but Pretty Fly is really a joke. It's there to make
fun of the trendies. Do you not realize the intense irony? By making a kind
of obnoxious song, they've made the ultimate social commentary about music and
pop-culture. Not the best song, makes fun of trendies and wanna-bes, they rush
to get it. Honestly, the way to enjoy Pretty Fly is not by listening to it but
by looking at the hordes of fools who are paying $12 or more to have Dexter
Holland insult them! Sheer fuckin' genius. As to there not being any punk,
the genre's been around so long that it's hard to define. But Have you Ever,
Staring at the Sun, The Kids Aren't Alright, Feelings, Walla Walla, End of the
Line, No Brakes, Americana. Hmmm, those are ALL punk. It seems you're all
just mad because now your fandom is being invaded by the trendies. Yes, I
kinda dislike it too, but your anger is misdirected. Besides, they'll get over
the trend eventually
Green Hell, THE source for Metallica, at http://come.to/GreenHell
gree...@yahoo.com
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YoshiQueen
do think that the Offspring did somewhat "sell-out", but it's not a sin to have
a few videos on MTV or to have a few trendie, poser-friendly songs. And I
definatly agree w/ Lemur Lad...damn, you know how to say it...and w/ power!
Anyway, I sum it up like this: if you liked the Offspring in 94' and you had
the "they-are-the-best-band-in-the-world-i'll-be-a-devoted
fan-for-the-rest-of-my-life" attitude, then you owe it them to stick by them,
through the bad and good, till death do you part...I mean, they helped bring
punk into mainstream, which I might add had it's good sides....l8er all
-TheUnDoubted1-
oce
Badfish wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I guess you've already had some discussion on this topic here, but I
> want to say that Americana just sucks. Prior to it's release I liked
> Offspring (especially the self titled album and some ixnay) but this
> teenie boppin' album made me change my mind. When I first picked up the
> CD I noticed they are now on Sony Music(wtf?), and I feared there music
> would be all commercial now. Put the CD into the player...and right,
> sounds like shit. After listening to it a few times I have to admit
> maybe two or three songs are OK, but the rest is a pain in my ears.
>
> And it's kind of funny like they make fun of boy groups in their song
> Pretty Fly, and it seems they now tend to point themselves in that
> direction? Self irony? Also their audience has changed alot. All the
> suckers are running and buying Americana cause they've seen the pretty
> fly video(yeah, of course alot of girls shakin' their asses - that
> sells!) on eMpTyV. And worst of all these people are singing this damned
> song all the time. The same kids who are listening to Britney Spears.
> Another thing: the local radio stations where I live would never play a
> real punk rock song, but they're playing Pretty Fly all the time. What i
> want to say is that their latest album is not punk at all. Neither its
> music nor attitude. Kind of sad how quick a band can become a sell-out.
ixnay was a load of shit and failed, so they had to make a pop album that
would get played and sell.
--
god loves each and everyone of you pricks.
wanted by the u.s. government: god for the cultivation and distribution of
marijuana.
Badfish
fan-for-the-rest-of-my-life" attitude, but I thought they were a great
band. You remember they sing "I hate the trendies!" in Cool To Hate...I
wonder if they ask themselves now if they've become trendies with
Americana. But who knows, maybe after they had their big sell out 15
minutes, they'll step back and make good music again.
I agree they helped bringing punk into mainstream, but I doubt that's a
good think. It's a contradiction in my eyes. Punk rock groups with
mainstream audience aren't really punk rock anymore, their music
dissolves more and more into a pop thing.
Another issue I wonder about: There's a poll for the best offsrping
album and song at
http://www.offspring.com/ , and guess what: Americana is first with 46%.
The Offspring and Ignition get each 6%, Ixnay 14% and Smash 28%. Best
song is Pretty Fly(surprise surprise), followed by Self Esteem(only half
the votes of Pretty Fly) and then some more Americana Songs. I assume
that only the real Offspring fans go to the site and actually vote,
right? So the majority of Offspring fans like Americanca and Pretty fly
best? How can that be?
Badfish
LemurLad wrote:
>
> So they sold a few more albums. So this time their novelty songs (Pretty Fly
> and ...Job) sold even more than previous ones (Come Out and Play, ie). Heaven
> forbid a band have a couple songs that might be a little positive! I'll grant,
> they're not my favorites, but Pretty Fly is really a joke. It's there to make
> fun of the trendies. Do you not realize the intense irony? By making a kind
> of obnoxious song, they've made the ultimate social commentary about music and
> pop-culture. Not the best song, makes fun of trendies and wanna-bes, they rush
> to get it. Honestly, the way to enjoy Pretty Fly is not by listening to it but
> by looking at the hordes of fools who are paying $12 or more to have Dexter
> Holland insult them! Sheer fuckin' genius.
What a joke. So they sacrificed themselves to make fun of the trendies
and wanna-bes instead of making good music which appeals to their fans.
I'd rather have an album with songs I could enjoy listening. Okay there
are some novelty songs on it(I could live with that), but why does the
rest also suck?
> As to there not being any punk,
> the genre's been around so long that it's hard to define. But Have you Ever,
> Staring at the Sun, The Kids Aren't Alright, Feelings, Walla Walla, End of the
> Line, No Brakes, Americana. Hmmm, those are ALL punk. It seems you're all
> just mad because now your fandom is being invaded by the trendies. Yes, I
> kinda dislike it too, but your anger is misdirected. Besides, they'll get over
> the trend eventually
Hmm, so you think it's punk, but I think it's very lame punk, and others
too... And no, I'm not really mad cause my fandom is being invaded,
because it's not my fandom(anymore). I have many other bands to listen
to, so screw them if their music isn't what I like. But I share your
hope that they'll get over the trend.
Badfish
> neither are any other alleged 'punk' bands that i listen to: NOFX,
btw...Stating NOFX aren't considered punk is like saying the pope is not
catholic or sth like that
Hate Krezo
like writing something new? Im sure that if I had a band that produced 4
albums of the exact same type of music that i'd want to expand a little bit,
that was ixnay. then possibly the band liked their newer music and the
realized that they can still have fans and not have to do something they
don't like to make a living. so in closing...shut the fuck up.
WHiTe VaMPiRe
Hash: SHA1
Regarding your comments relating "Pretty Fly", touche. Well said.
I agree, totally. There is nothing that I can really add to it
either. This is the first time I have agreed with anything said on
this newsgroup since Americana started getting airplay.
Regards,
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:So they sold a few more albums. So this time their novelty songs
(Pretty Fly
:and ...Job) sold even more than previous ones (Come Out and Play,
ie). Heaven
:forbid a band have a couple songs that might be a little positive!
I'll grant,
:they're not my favorites, but Pretty Fly is really a joke. It's
there to make
:fun of the trendies. Do you not realize the intense irony? By
making a kind
:of obnoxious song, they've made the ultimate social commentary about
music and
:pop-culture. Not the best song, makes fun of trendies and wanna-bes,
they rush
:to get it. Honestly, the way to enjoy Pretty Fly is not by listening
to it but
:by looking at the hordes of fools who are paying $12 or more to have
Dexter
:Holland insult them! Sheer fuckin' genius. As to there not being
any punk,
:the genre's been around so long that it's hard to define. But Have
you Ever,
:Staring at the Sun, The Kids Aren't Alright, Feelings, Walla Walla,
End of the
:Line, No Brakes, Americana. Hmmm, those are ALL punk. It seems
you're all
:just mad because now your fandom is being invaded by the trendies.
Yes, I
:kinda dislike it too, but your anger is misdirected. Besides,
they'll get over
:the trend eventually
:
:Green Hell, THE source for Metallica, at http://come.to/GreenHell
:gree...@yahoo.com
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Lasse Laaksonen
>
>I didn't have the "they-are-the-best-band-in-the-world-i'll-be-a-devoted
>fan-for-the-rest-of-my-life" attitude, but I thought they were a great
>band. You remember they sing "I hate the trendies!" in Cool To Hate...I
>wonder if they ask themselves now if they've become trendies with
>Americana. But who knows, maybe after they had their big sell out 15
>minutes, they'll step back and make good music again.
"Cool to Hate" was a sarcastic song. It was about teen angst
and the "I hate the world" attitude.
>I agree they helped bringing punk into mainstream, but I doubt that's a
>good think. It's a contradiction in my eyes. Punk rock groups with
>mainstream audience aren't really punk rock anymore, their music
>dissolves more and more into a pop thing.
If someone buys a WDYGAJ single and likes Beheaded, it can't
be bad for the scene (is there a scene?). If the person doesn't
like Beheaded, he/she will turn back to the Backdoor Boys, so
what's the problem? One or too songs get old so fast. Trendies
liked Offspring when Smash came out. Now nobody knows what Smash
is. It will happen all over again. And probably will happen again
when the next album is released.
****** Lasse Laaksonen ******
RRaLeX SEPTiC
RRaLeX SEPTiC
my interpretation of 'punk': ramones, pistols, etc... is a load of no-talent
losers assaulting perfectly operational musical instruments. I know that's
not a widely accepted view, but no amount of people replying to this is
gonna change my opinion.
All i'm saying is that the 'spring, the 'hearts and NOFX actually have
talent.
Ian & Katrina Pickering
"opinions are like assholes, everyones got one"
If you don't like The Offspring don't bother commenting in a newsgroup.
Speaking of 'positive' thinking perhaps you should spend your time doing
things you enjoy??
Badfish wrote in message <373B7947...@mail.com>...
>
>
>LemurLad wrote:
>>
>> So they sold a few more albums. So this time their novelty songs (Pretty
Fly
>> and ...Job) sold even more than previous ones (Come Out and Play, ie).
Heaven
>> forbid a band have a couple songs that might be a little positive! I'll
grant,
>> they're not my favorites, but Pretty Fly is really a joke. It's there to
make
>> fun of the trendies. Do you not realize the intense irony? By making a
kind
>> of obnoxious song, they've made the ultimate social commentary about
music and
>> pop-culture. Not the best song, makes fun of trendies and wanna-bes,
they rush
>> to get it. Honestly, the way to enjoy Pretty Fly is not by listening to
it but
>> by looking at the hordes of fools who are paying $12 or more to have
Dexter
>> Holland insult them! Sheer fuckin' genius.
>
>What a joke. So they sacrificed themselves to make fun of the trendies
>and wanna-bes instead of making good music which appeals to their fans.
>I'd rather have an album with songs I could enjoy listening. Okay there
>are some novelty songs on it(I could live with that), but why does the
>rest also suck?
>
>> As to there not being any punk,
>> the genre's been around so long that it's hard to define. But Have you
Ever,
>> Staring at the Sun, The Kids Aren't Alright, Feelings, Walla Walla, End
of the
>> Line, No Brakes, Americana. Hmmm, those are ALL punk. It seems you're
all
>> just mad because now your fandom is being invaded by the trendies. Yes,
I
>> kinda dislike it too, but your anger is misdirected. Besides, they'll
get over
>> the trend eventually
>
>Hmm, so you think it's punk, but I think it's very lame punk, and others
>too... And no, I'm not really mad cause my fandom is being invaded,
>because it's not my fandom(anymore). I have many other bands to listen
>to, so screw them if their music isn't what I like. But I share your
>hope that they'll get over the trend.
RRaLeX SEPTiC
on and ixnay sucked aswell
- RRaLeX the trendie...
Badfish
style which is copied by hundreds of bands around the world. If your
interpreation is limited to ramones and pistols, then you're stuck in
the seventies. Punk has become a much wider genre since then.
Badfish
different albums(can't compare them), Ixnay was okay imo. So to stay on
your level, in closing ... you know
Badfish
> would get played and sell.
>
> --
> god loves each and everyone of you pricks.
>
> wanted by the u.s. government: god for the cultivation and distribution of
> marijuana.
Well that makes sense to me. Although Ixnay was far better than
Americana, it surely wasn't a big seller.
RRaLeX SEPTiC
anyway, my opinion is rare, so i respect what you're saying...
MotoGoddess
Unfortunately, I missed their concert in Houston (for some reason they have
yet to hit Dallas) and I was pissed that I couldn't make the concert. Not
only that, but it sold out in no time. So who gives a fuck about who's
listening to what music?? I listen to the music and the bands that I like,
period. I could care less what some little teenager is listening to, many
people like all kinds of music, so why is it a big deal if the same kid that
is listening to Britney Spears is also listening to the Offspring?? I think
it's cool that some can be open minded to listening to different kinds of
music. I also don't know what all the hype is about Pretty Fly. I think
it's a great song and Americana kicks ass! Great dirt bike riding music,
all round. I say that because one of my favorite dirt bike videos plays
some Offspring music from Ixnay. All I have to say is, if you don't like
it, don't listen. By no means, do I think the Offspring is a sell out,
except for in concert tickets!!
Love ya!
moto
MotoGoddess
Sparkster
Go and wash u're mouth out with soap and bleech and water and disinfectanct
and glue.
Damn facist (don't take that facist thing seriously - it's just my 'word of
the week')!!!!
oce
Hate Krezo wrote:
> did you ever think that maybe the band is just getting more mature and feels
> like writing something new? Im sure that if I had a band that produced 4
> albums of the exact same type of music that i'd want to expand a little bit,
> that was ixnay. then possibly the band liked their newer music and the
> realized that they can still have fans and not have to do something they
> don't like to make a living. so in closing...shut the fuck up.
maybe they can do a polka album next.
--
"Why can't people get this straight? Flags are for flying; crosses are for
burning."
oce
MotoGoddess wrote:
aye, thanks. mostly tho, they're just things i've picked up from various
places.
RillySillySoxx
> maybe they can do a polka album next.
And tour with Wierd Al? I still like my swing idea; you can't go wrong
with silver zoot suits. In the case of the swing album, McG must, must,
must direct all the vids. Sparkles, stuff that glitters... oh yeah.
Kay
The only line I'm waiting in is for Warped tickets
Chris Cheney is so damn fine. Uh-huh, uh-huh.
> "Why can't people get this straight? Flags are for flying; crosses are for
> burning."
I like the way RATM flys flags; upside down w/stuff spray-painted on them.
Also, we have determined that your sig sucks.
Badfish
Ian & Katrina Pickering wrote:
>
> Hey badfish,
>
> "opinions are like assholes, everyones got one"
>
> If you don't like The Offspring don't bother commenting in a newsgroup.
> Speaking of 'positive' thinking perhaps you should spend your time doing
> things you enjoy??
Opinions and assholes are two different things, don't take them to the
same level.
Perhaps you should stop posting in any newsgroup with such an attitude.
Badfish
I also think it's cool to listen to different kinds of music, as long
the music is not some cheap sell out crap. However, you missed my point
if you think Pretty Fly is a great song.
oce
RillySillySoxx wrote:
> And tour with Wierd Al? I still like my swing idea; you can't go wrong
> with silver zoot suits.
they'd have to be the opening act. weird al is years in ahead of them in polks.
> In the case of the swing album, McG must, must,
> must direct all the vids. Sparkles, stuff that glitters... oh yeah.
>
i dunno. mcg's videos have been getting pretty bad come lately.
> Also, we have determined that your sig sucks.
thank you.
--
RillySillySoxx
> > In the case of the swing album, McG must, must,
> > must direct all the vids. Sparkles, stuff that glitters... oh yeah.
>
> i dunno. mcg's videos have been getting pretty bad come lately.
Hmmm... Spike Jonze? He's done some pretty interesting work.
> > Also, we have determined that your sig sucks.
>
> thank you.
Sorry.
Kay
I was the only one "in line" for Warped tix.
Vote for TLE to get on TRL
YoshiQueen
were going with it. I thought it sucked the first few times I listened to it,
but after last night, I think Ixnay is a misunderstood album...the band was
maturing: musicaly & lyricly. I still think a couple of the songs are
unbearable, but Ixnay is quite a bit like Americana...they went different
directions, they tried something new...they expanded their horizons...and if
you think that they are fucked up for doing that, then leave them be...they're
just doing what they love and making money off it
-TheUnDoubted1-
Jimbeau C.
Badfish <n...@mail.com> wrote in message news:373B7085...@mail.com...
> I agree they helped bringing punk into mainstream, but I doubt that's a
> good think. It's a contradiction in my eyes. Punk rock groups with
> mainstream audience aren't really punk rock anymore, their music
> dissolves more and more into a pop thing.
>
selling records? For the learning experience? Jesus Christ, do you think the
Ramones got onstage back in the '70's because they needed some way to piss
away their extra allowance money? You figure they wanted to remain obscure
all their lives? Of course, the Ramones mostly did remain obscure, but that
wasn't the intent, believe me. When we get into the business of making money
making music, it's because we like to make music, but, in order to spend our
time doing that, we have to make enough money at it so that we don't have to
go running off to some other dumb job in order to eat. It's not that hard to
figure out, folks. It's about money. We all like to eat, right? Some of us
have figured out how to support ourselves doing what we like to do. What I
can't figure out is why some people have to take umbrage at the idea that
commerce is involved in the deal. Anyone who feels we're all above making
money should just spend the rest of ther lives playing shithole clubs for no
money, and see how they like it.
Jimbeau C.
oce <o...@xenglandx.com> wrote in message
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> ixnay was a load of shit and failed, so they had to make a pop album that
> would get played and sell.
RRaLeX SEPTiC
Badfish
Money's good, money's great, money's wonderful. But don't you think you
can make money with music _and_ make a good album and not some sell out
joke? Maybe it's sells only 1/3, but that should be enough. BTW I can't
believe they are poor when I look at that Smash album lying around
everywhere...