Damon Albarn's theory of Liam's evolution: from apes to gorillaz?
Molly M
Thu 24 May 2001 11:50
DAMON RECRUITS LIAM?
Blur's Damon Albarn has attempted to bury the hatchet (well, sort of!)
between him and Oasis frontman Liam Gallagher by revealing he wants to work
with him, reports a UK tabloid
The fued between the two Britpop bands kicked off in 1995 when they both
released singles on the same day. Blur's 'Country House' and Oasis' 'Roll
With It' went head to head for the Number One spot.
Since then the media has grabbed every opportunity to continue the war of
words. But now the 'Daily Star' has stated that Albarn recently praised the
youngest Gallagher's voice and wants him to contribute vocals to the next
Gorillaz long-player.
Damon said: "I want Liam to be on the next album. He's got a fantastic voice.
I'd like to write him a decent song for once, because he hasn't had any for
years. He's wasted being this big pop star with celebrity girlfriends."
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stupid. just for the record, i bought both singles.
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> Damon said: "I want Liam to be on the next album. He's got a fantastic voice.
hahaha.. damon definitely didnt hear any of the live stuff from the 'brotherly
love' tour :-)
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Headshrinker
> too right, i hope Liam goes along with that, the whole feud thing was
> stupid. just for the record, i bought both singles.
too right... I like em both no matter what people say. the difference as for
now is... oasis sold off, blur didnt.
jamiec˛š
i really wanted country house to beat roll with it in '95. obviously i
wasn't an oasis fan then!
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Molly M
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> too right... I like em both no matter what people say. the difference as for
> now is... oasis sold off, blur didnt.
Too right what? The whole Gorillaz thing has nothing to do with Blur, and
with that old silly story! So, after you realize that, do you seriously think
that Liam could sing vocals for one of those tracks and then be cartoonized
on a video? Come on people!! And what about "Oasis sold off, Blur didn't?"
Why? What's the difference? Selling off is implicit the very moment you sign
any contract, no one is pure and intact in the business, thats not the point,
the main thing is who is good, who makes good music, not who 'sold off'.
Franly I don't admire Albarn's new stuff at all, and I care even less for his
pathetic cultural justifications for his new "revolutionary" marketing move.
Tryin to pass that off as counterculture, how sad. I don't get this.
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Czako
> I can't imagine Liam ever going along with that, no way !
>
Exacly...he would probobly just say fuck off and that would be the end of
story
oh..and doesn't this : " I'd like to write him a decent song for once,
because he hasn't had any for
years " make you a bit angry .
What does he mean Liam hasnt had any decent songs for years ?? He
underrates Noels songwriting . Whoel this thing doesnt sound like burrying
the huchet at all .
Czako
Mean Mr. Mustard
jamiec˛š wrote:
> jamie's embarassing confession #21244546
>
> i really wanted country house to beat roll with it in '95. obviously i
> wasn't an oasis fan then!
oh dear oh dear...country house??!!
Mr.Psychosis
Molly M wrote...
>Damon said: "I want Liam to be on the next album. He's got a fantastic
voice.
>I'd like to write him a decent song for once, because he hasn't had any for
>years. He's wasted being this big pop star with celebrity girlfriends."
Says MC Damo, the pimp daddy of Colchester Grammer School.
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> stupid. just for the record, i bought both singles.
>
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Headshrinker
> On Fri, 25 May 2001 14:11:29 +0200, Headshrinker wrote
> (in message <3B0E4BF1...@KISSINGARSEFORFREEacquiesce.nl>):
>
> > too right... I like em both no matter what people say. the difference as for
> > now is... oasis sold off, blur didnt.
>
> Too right what? The whole Gorillaz thing has nothing to do with Blur, and
> with that old silly story! So, after you realize that, do you seriously think
> that Liam could sing vocals for one of those tracks and then be cartoonized
> on a video?
nah, not like that but they might do something together.. sometime ...
> Come on people!! And what about "Oasis sold off, Blur didn't?"
> Why? What's the difference? Selling off is implicit the very moment you sign
> any contract, no one is pure and intact in the business, thats not the point,
> the main thing is who is good, who makes good music, not who 'sold off'.
alright.... so at the moment it is definitely blur who are 'better'. Oasis did a
couple of good songs, fair enough, but most of their new stuff is crap, lets face
it. On top of that, Oasis seems to have turned in a couple of glam-rock fuckers,
blur didnt.
> Franly I don't admire Albarn's new stuff at all, and I care even less for his
> pathetic cultural justifications for his new "revolutionary" marketing move.
> Tryin to pass that off as counterculture, how sad. I don't get this.
I don't admire it but I dont admire Noel's either...
Molly M
(in message <3B0F7A29...@KISSINGARSEFORFREEacquiesce.nl>):
>> Come on people!! And what about "Oasis sold off, Blur didn't?"
>> Why? What's the difference? Selling off is implicit the very moment you
>> sign any contract, no one is pure and intact in the business, thats not the
>> point, the main thing is who is good, who makes good music, not who 'sold
off'.
>
> alright.... so at the moment it is definitely blur who are 'better'.
I wouldn't know much about that cos I haven't heard much of their recent
stuff. To me they sounded more forceful when still doing the pop stuff.
Though I kinda liked a song like Coffee and TV (well the vid was in fact
great).
I really refuse to compare the two though, they're making such different
stuff, they are such different bands, there was never any link except
"popularity at the same time" and the press-created britpop label.
> Oasis did a couple of good songs, fair enough, but most of their new stuff is
crap, lets
> face it.
Hmm, I don't know, I'm not really expecting much from Oasis now, I was into
the last album when it came out but haven't listened to it in ages, nor to
the previous ones, while DM will live forever indeed. I still think they as a
band have achieved something really special, and they still rock live, but
musically I can't see any way of going down the road of simple r'n'r without
turning into some kind of huge cliché. It's not so much a fault, it's that
it's impossible to take that kind of r'n'r any further without some
contamination or radical changes... I dunno, I don't think that kind of
straight r'n'r is the one and only kind of music today..
> On top of that, Oasis seems to have turned in a couple of glam-rock
> fuckers, blur didnt.
He he, come on, nah they're not glam-rock, they're just touring with BC cos
they need the cash. It strikes me that Noel said in one of the very recent
interviews that the secret for touring is "go along with what everyone says
and always smile at bad jokes" or something like that. It's just an
impression, you know but... BC are hot now cos of the movie Almost Famous and
Chris R. being married to Kate Hudson... big promotional machines at work
there. Pity Oasis had to do that, I still can't see the affinity with BC to
justify a tour together, in US they'd have more in common with, I dunno, even
Offspring!
>
>> Franly I don't admire Albarn's new stuff at all, and I care even less for
>> his pathetic cultural justifications for his new "revolutionary" marketing
>> move.
>> Tryin to pass that off as counterculture, how sad. I don't get this.
>
> I don't admire it but I dont admire Noel's either...
Well, it's hard to keep rockin in the free world. Hard to go on writing stuff
with the constant obsession of comparisons to the gems on your debut album.
JC
> it's impossible to take that kind of r'n'r any further without some
> contamination or radical changes... I dunno, I don't think that kind of
> straight r'n'r is the one and only kind of music today..
I wonder how many people said that after Nevermind and before Def Maybe. And
no, I'm not saying Nirvana were the same as Oasis. But there are definate
similarities.... I can see Kurt doing C & A.... as for Teen Spirit, well,
if only Noel could REALLY shout! And both bands were responsible mostly for
the return of R'n'R to British shores. But that's largely irrelevant to the
point I want to make.
I've heard people say that The Beates today wouldn't be nearly so popular.
But that's not necessarily true. In these days of style over content and
image before talent, it's the band themselves, the personality, image and
charisma that make the music cool. The fact the music might be half way
decent is just an added bonus to the record buying public, most of whom are
incapable of thinking for themselves and rely on tabloids, t.v. and music
mags to tell them what to buy.
Was WTS(MG) really that good? Or was it the contoversy and excitement Oasis
were generating at the time that made the album what it became?
Headshrinker
> > alright.... so at the moment it is definitely blur who are 'better'.
>
> Though I kinda liked a song like Coffee and TV (well the vid was in fact
> great).
he he... thats what everyone says . the video is one of the best around imo. the
song's not bad either though.
> I really refuse to compare the two though, they're making such different
> stuff, they are such different bands, there was never any link except
> "popularity at the same time" and the press-created britpop label.
you're right about that. you cant compare the two of them....
> > Oasis did a couple of good songs, fair enough, but most of their new stuff is
> crap, lets
> > face it.
>
> Hmm, I don't know, I'm not really expecting much from Oasis now, I was into
> the last album when it came out but haven't listened to it in ages, nor to
> the previous ones, while DM will live forever indeed.
same here :-) we have so much in common.
> I still think they as a
> band have achieved something really special, and they still rock live, but
> musically I can't see any way of going down the road of simple r'n'r without
> turning into some kind of huge cliché. It's not so much a fault, it's that
> it's impossible to take that kind of r'n'r any further without some
> contamination or radical changes... I dunno, I don't think that kind of
> straight r'n'r is the one and only kind of music today..
I agree with you, changes are needed but changes can be made in several ways.
> > On top of that, Oasis seems to have turned in a couple of glam-rock
> > fuckers, blur didnt.
>
> He he, come on, nah they're not glam-rock, they're just touring with BC cos
> they need the cash. It strikes me that Noel said in one of the very recent
> interviews that the secret for touring is "go along with what everyone says
> and always smile at bad jokes" or something like that. It's just an
> impression, you know but... BC are hot now cos of the movie Almost Famous and
> Chris R. being married to Kate Hudson... big promotional machines at work
> there. Pity Oasis had to do that, I still can't see the affinity with BC to
> justify a tour together, in US they'd have more in common with, I dunno, even
> Offspring!
*lol* you're right... wanna know why i think they did it? they can't sell out big
venues when touring on their own so this was a good chance. they're sure that a lot
of people will show up when touring with 2 great acts like this. If the next album
will not do good in the states I doubt they will tour a lot in the us on the next
tour.
> >> Franly I don't admire Albarn's new stuff at all, and I care even less for
> >> his pathetic cultural justifications for his new "revolutionary" marketing
> >> move.
> >> Tryin to pass that off as counterculture, how sad. I don't get this.
> >
> > I don't admire it but I dont admire Noel's either...
>
> Well, it's hard to keep rockin in the free world. Hard to go on writing stuff
> with the constant obsession of comparisons to the gems on your debut album.
thats true... I dont want another DM. DM alone is enough for me. I just wish noel
showed some more balls, told the record companies or whatever to fuck of, get his
band sorted and write some good songs. thei're just... dunno... got lost amongst
all other bands. they're nothing outstanding no more.
Molly M
(in message <9eo9hi$9ik$1...@neptunium.btinternet.com>):
>> It's not so much a fault, it's that
>> it's impossible to take that kind of r'n'r any further without some
>> contamination or radical changes... I dunno, I don't think that kind of
>> straight r'n'r is the one and only kind of music today..
>
> I wonder how many people said that after Nevermind and before Def Maybe.
But those weren't properly "straight r'n'r" albums, were they? Oasis started
in one direction that seems now quite at odds with touring with the BC for
instance, or with some of the songs on Standing on the shoulders of giants.
> And
> no, I'm not saying Nirvana were the same as Oasis. But there are definate
> similarities.... I can see Kurt doing C & A.... as for Teen Spirit, well,
> if only Noel could REALLY shout!
Hmm, I can't see any similarity really, and can't picture either singing
those songs...
> And both bands were responsible mostly for
> the return of R'n'R to British shores.
I think Nirvana can't really be labelled as r'n'r, in fact they can't be
labelled at all. And even DM is not that easily boxed.
I was just saying that Oasis *now* don't look to me as if they have many
possibilities to go on on that same kind of r'n'r they're doing now, you
know? Recent stuff is good in many ways but it's not as mind-blowing and it's
getting repetitive, and it's drawing more on r'n'r clichés... and the ballads
have taken over... just an impression, that there's no big future ahead. Not
an unusual feeling when talking about Oasis split-no-split.
...
> In these days of style over content and
> image before talent, it's the band themselves, the personality, image and
> charisma that make the music cool.
Nah it's always been like that in some ways, it's just that today there are
global promotional machines that are incredibly more powerful and sometimes
you get all image and no music, but it's still not the case with Oasis!
> The fact the music might be half way
> decent is just an added bonus to the record buying public, most of whom are
> incapable of thinking for themselves and rely on tabloids, t.v. and music
> mags to tell them what to buy.
Yeah well but it's hard to tell where the laziness starts, is it lack of
offer or lack of demand? Is is just the public that's responsible? What
responsibility can you attribute to a buying market that determines the
charts, when the average age of the consumers is getting lower and lower?
It's a market like anything else. You got to look a bit harder than the top
ten usually to find more decent stuff.
> Was WTS(MG) really that good? Or was it the contoversy and excitement Oasis
> were generating at the time that made the album what it became?
Both. :)
Molly M
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>> it's impossible to take that kind of r'n'r any further without some
>> contamination or radical changes... I dunno, I don't think that kind of
>> straight r'n'r is the one and only kind of music today..
>
> I agree with you, changes are needed but changes can be made in several ways.
Yeah, though I'm not a musician so wouldn't know how to do that, but I think
a clue or even a path that Noel abandoned too soon was his work in the
electronic or dance aread, with the Chemicals, Beck, with his tune for the
X-files movie... I dunno if Oasis music can ever be contaminated in that
sense in a good way, but when dance beats and rock meet there's often really
great tunes coming out. Block Rocking Beats! or stuff like Apollo 440.. stop
the rock... that's not to say Oasis should make that kind of music, but you
know, since Noel has made stuff with the Chem Brothers, then maybe... or even
with Primal Scream... you know, just some contamination that could spice up
their music. The songs on SOTSOG that go back to the Zep sound are no good to
me. It's stuff like Fuckin in the Bushes that can open a new door into
something a bit fresher.
> wanna know why i think they did it? they can't sell
> out big > venues when touring on their own so this was a good chance. they're
sure
> that a lot > of people will show up when touring with 2 great acts like this.
If the next
> album > will not do good in the states I doubt they will tour a lot in the us
on the
> next > tour.
Yeah I know, that's ok, I don't mind that, I just don't get the choice of the
BC, on a musical level that is. I can understand the marketing reason, you
can't avoid that, but for fucksake wasn't there some other band that was a
bit worthier? (foo fighters, was it too much to ask?) Or even touring with
Beck! Of course neither the foos or beck have a *new* album to promote now so
they're not huge at the moment... but I don't like the association with the
BC, it's like giving in to the idea that even oasis are just another r'n'r
tribute band.
> thats true... I dont want another DM. DM alone is enough for me.
Yeah exactly, it can't be repeated so Noel should stop thinking he can
replicate its impact or success and should stop writing stuff with that in
mind and talking about the new album like it's gonna be the next DM! That
"good, sounds like all the rest" is kind of crap to hear from Noel.
> I just wish noel showed some more balls, told the record companies or
whatever to fuck of,
> get his band sorted and write some good songs.
Yeah it's probably more his own problem than the record company.
> thei're just... dunno... got lost
> amongst all other bands. they're nothing outstanding no more.
Yeah, you know, on one hand I take them for what they are, they're not
experimenting, they're not profound or whatever, Noel is neither Yorke nor
Stipe, for better and for worse; but on the other hand, I think he has more
talent than he showed recently. It's there but he can't use it cos DM is
standing in its way. And I understand and resent that at the same time. Cos
if at the debut you're driven by ambition to be big, then you gotta tap into
the ambition to make music and focus on the music and not just get bigger and
get the critics applause. You're right, he should show some more balls now.
theseeker (elderberries mode)
just because damon's roughly accepted he can't be black, and now can find
credibility between people who because they've got straight edges it's a bit
fuckin 'urban' and rebellious, it's fuckin rubbish! also, heard new single
which was verr poppy
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> gorillaz: spot the credibility excercise ... bah, horrible music, but it's
> just because damon's roughly accepted he can't be black, and now can find
> credibility between people who because they've got straight edges it's a
bit
> fuckin 'urban' and rebellious, it's fuckin rubbish! also, heard new
single
> which was verr poppy
You give him too much credit. I just assumed he'd realized (young and
not-so-young) adults saw him for what he is...... a pseudo blah blah blah
add nausia...... who pretends to be working class and they now refuse to buy
his records. Which I assume is why he's now using cartoons to sell records
to children!