Spice girls claim to be bigger than Oasis
MooseMonkey
On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:00:42 +0100, Gordon Hodgson
<gor...@hodgson.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>I read this on ceefax today, and I find it very funny.
>
>Gordon Hodgson -- gor...@hodgson.nospam.demon.co.uk
>Remove the nospam bit to reply
>
>"Maybe the songs that you sing are wrong
>Maybe the dreams that we dream are gone
>Bring it on home and it won't be long
>It's getting better man"
> -- Noel Gallagher [oh please]
Ah. Its funny cos it's true.
Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds
In article <5t7lrv$7jl$1...@nuacht.iol.ie>, dar...@iol.ie (Dara O'Kearney) wrote:
>In article <TAypkAAK...@hodgson.demon.co.uk>,
> Gordon Hodgson <gor...@hodgson.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>I read this on ceefax today, and I find it very funny.
>It all depends on what one means by bigger. If one is going by album sales,
>for example, then the Spice Girls are bigger. According to the latest Q
>magazine, the Spice Girls album has already sold 15 million copies worldwide,
>almost as much as the two Oasis albums put together (16.5 million).
This actually isn't true. Your two albums together figure, that is. The
two together have sold about 20 million (could be more now -- America is
picking up on WTSMG? again, and might be picking up on DM). And this is
not including the singles.
Spice Girls are just nasty little tarts who like to talk crap. They said
similar things when I met them, and no one takes what they say seriously.
You can ignore their interviews :)
Cheers,
Lulu
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In article <TAypkAAK...@hodgson.demon.co.uk>,
Gordon Hodgson <gor...@hodgson.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>I read this on ceefax today, and I find it very funny.
It all depends on what one means by bigger. If one is going by album sales,
for example, then the Spice Girls are bigger. According to the latest Q
magazine, the Spice Girls album has already sold 15 million copies worldwide,
almost as much as the two Oasis albums put together (16.5 million).
Slan leat,
Dara.
A.Miller
Dara O'Kearney wrote:
>
> It all depends on what one means by bigger. If one is going by album sales,
> for example, then the Spice Girls are bigger. According to the latest Q
> magazine, the Spice Girls album has already sold 15 million copies
>worldwide,
> almost as much as the two Oasis albums put together (16.5 million).
Bigger in album sales perhaps, but they obviously don't compare with
respect to talent. The fact that "Spice" could outsell DM and (WTS)MG? is an
indication of how musically stupid the general public is. The Spice Girls
are a laugh, but Oasis is a band.
Oh well, I guess we'll have to live with it...
A.Miller
Michael Browne
I don't like Spice Girls... But, I was on a 10 hour road trip (with my
PARENTS!) and I had the Rolling Stone with Spice girls, Spin with A.
Difranco, and a YM with Spice Girls. I read each one front to back and I
even read that Africa thing (although I'm not really sure what it was
about). I didn't read the Spice Girl articles but at the end I caved and
read them all. YM made them out to be these sweet little Girl Power people.
Then I read Rolling Stones --- wow! They are really ronchy (for girls) I
can't believe that they wear underwear on there heads. They sound like my
friends. But there music sucks!! Again, this message is going nowhere.
Love,
Katie
Gordon Hodgson <gor...@hodgson.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<TAypkAAK...@hodgson.demon.co.uk>...
> I read this on ceefax today, and I find it very funny.
>
Tony Marshall
"A.Miller" <xer...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Dara O'Kearney wrote:
>>
>> It all depends on what one means by bigger. If one is going by album sales,
>> for example, then the Spice Girls are bigger. According to the latest Q
>> magazine, the Spice Girls album has already sold 15 million copies
>>worldwide,
>> almost as much as the two Oasis albums put together (16.5 million).
>
> Bigger in album sales perhaps, but they obviously don't compare with
>respect to talent. The fact that "Spice" could outsell DM and (WTS)MG? is an
>indication of how musically stupid the general public is.
..but not in good old Blighty though. WTSMG is still *miles* ahead of
SPICE in terms of sales. (I wonder what position it is in the all-time
UK albums chart now..)
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Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds wrote:
>
> In article <5t7lrv$7jl$1...@nuacht.iol.ie>, dar...@iol.ie (Dara O'Kearney) wrote:
>
> > Gordon Hodgson <gor...@hodgson.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >for example, then the Spice Girls are bigger. According to the latest Q
> >magazine, the Spice Girls album has already sold 15 million copies worldwide,
> >almost as much as the two Oasis albums put together (16.5 million).
>
> two together have sold about 20 million (could be more now -- America is
> picking up on WTSMG? again, and might be picking up on DM). And this is
> not including the singles.
>
> Spice Girls are just nasty little tarts who like to talk crap. They said
> similar things when I met them, and no one takes what they say seriously.
> You can ignore their interviews :)
>
> Cheers,
> Lulu
>
> --
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> 1. Exist.
> 2. Observe
> 3. Contemplate steps 1 and 2.
> 4. Continue to exist.
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Gar
Tony Marshall wrote:
>
> ..but not in good old Blighty though. WTSMG is still *miles* ahead of
> SPICE in terms of sales. (I wonder what position it is in the all-time
> UK albums chart now..)
According to some article posted onto the Live Forever mailing list,
WTSMG is the best selling album of all time in the UK.. not sure if it's
right though. I think worldwide Pink Floyd's "Dark Side Of The Moon" and
The Beatle's "Sgt Pepper" are the top 2.
Gar
Richard Lee
Oasis & the Spice Girls shouldn't even be compared, Oasis are a talented
genuine band, Spice Girls are a bunch of formulated, marketed slappers
from England that just got a lucky break, end of story.
Rich
Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds
>the spice girls have bigger TITS than Oasis!!!
Tell that to Sporty Spice.
Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds
In article <5tic5h$gf4$5...@nuacht.iol.ie>, dar...@iol.ie (Dara O'Kearney) wrote:
[snipping of sales figures for Spice and Oasis]
>Well, I'm just reporting the figures directly from Q Magazine, which is
>normally a reliable source. What's the source for your 20 million plus figure?
Um, just about every single bloody music magazine in all of Britain, and a
few US ones that I read? Q *is* known to be off on figures -- you've got
to remember that monthlies mightn't be as up-to-date as the weeklies
because they have to write their feature articles ages in advance in order
to get it printed and set on time.
Cheers,
Lulu, wondering about Q anyhow. Greatest Music Magazine in the World, my
arse. Most incredibly dull and suffering from Damon Albarn Syndrome, most
likely.
Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds
In article <5tic6a$gf4$6...@nuacht.iol.ie>, dar...@iol.ie (Dara O'Kearney) wrote:
>According to the latest official UK chart figures, Spice is now 9 times
>platinum, and WTS(MG) 12 times platinum, suggesting that the gap is now less
>than a million between the two. And with Spice still regularly in the top 5,
>and still the 'current' album, so to speak, chances are it'll close further,
>and perhaps eventually overtake WTS(MG).
You forget that Oasis are still in the charts too, not to mention the
convienient forgetting of the largest market, the US, in this figure
(Oasis are several times more platinum -- 1,000,000 sales for each
platinum -- above Spice Girls). Spice Girls' sales have been declining
with each single release. This is an incredibly silly debate,
incidentally. Oasis have still sold far more than Spice Girls and will
sell far more than Spice Girls ever will.
Cheers,
Lulu
Mark Coughlan
Just fucking suck? They ain't that good.
Lisa *aka* Mrs. Liam Gallagher <time...@globalserve.net> wrote in article
<33FD36...@globalserve.net>...
> Katie Browne wrote:
> >
> > > According to the latest Q
> > > magazine, the Spice Girls album has already sold 15 million copies
> > > worldwide,
> >
> > That's only 'cause people thaught that they were going to be good but
they
> > they went home and listen to the LP and said "This is crap". I,
however,
> > listened to it at the store 'cause I saw them on CrapTV and they said
that
> > they were good. 'In there eyes there something lacking, what they
need's a
> > damn good wacking'... Oasis on the other hand say 'It's just rock 'n'
> > roll.' Spice Girls -I FEEL- are feuled by something other that music
and
> > Oasis are feuled by music, music, not the money, they want people to
like
> > them for thir music. MUSIC.
> > Love,
> > Katie
> >
> > SPICE GIRLS JUST FUCKING SUCK
>
Elle
Dara wrote:
According to the latest official UK chart figures, Spice is now 9 times
>platinum, and WTS(MG) 12 times platinum, suggesting that the gap is now
less
>than a million between the two. And with Spice still regularly in the
top 5,
>and still the 'current' album, so to speak, chances are it'll close
further,
>and perhaps eventually overtake WTS(MG).
>
>
>Dara.
It doesn't matter how big The Spice Girls get , Oasis will always be
better.
--
Elle
Dara O'Kearney
In article <33FBAF...@silo.com>,>> In article <5t7lrv$7jl$1...@nuacht.iol.ie>, dar...@iol.ie (Dara O'Kearney)
wrote:
>>
>> > Gordon Hodgson <gor...@hodgson.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>I read this on ceefax today, and I find it very funny.
>> >It all depends on what one means by bigger. If one is going by album
sales,
>> >magazine, the Spice Girls album has already sold 15 million copies
worldwide,
>>
>> This actually isn't true. Your two albums together figure, that is. The
>> two together have sold about 20 million (could be more now -- America is
>> picking up on WTSMG? again, and might be picking up on DM). And this is
>> not including the singles.
Well, I'm just reporting the figures directly from Q Magazine, which is
normally a reliable source. What's the source for your 20 million plus figure?
Slan leat,
Dara.
Dara O'Kearney
In article <bitchyspice-21...@d174-mfs.dancris.com>,
bitch...@removethis.geocities.com (Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds) wrote:
>In article <5tic6a$gf4$6...@nuacht.iol.ie>, dar...@iol.ie (Dara O'Kearney)
wrote:
>
>>According to the latest official UK chart figures, Spice is now 9 times
>>platinum, and WTS(MG) 12 times platinum, suggesting that the gap is now less
>>than a million between the two. And with Spice still regularly in the top 5,
>>and still the 'current' album, so to speak, chances are it'll close further,
>>and perhaps eventually overtake WTS(MG).
>
No, I don't. But the fact is that Spice is much higher in the UK charts
currently than either of the first two Oasis albums, and hence is closing the
gap.
>not to mention the
>convienient forgetting of the largest market, the US, in this figure
No, I didn't conveniently forget this either. Spice is still top 5 in the US,
and has been there for the last 6 months or so. Neither Oasis aalbum is
currently in the US top 100, so Spice would be closing the gap there too, if
in fact there still is a gap.
>(Oasis are several times more platinum -- 1,000,000 sales for each
>platinum -- above Spice Girls).
This isn't correct. Spice has certified sales of more than 4 million in the
US, comfortably ahead of either DM or WTS(MG).
>Spice Girls' sales have been declining
>with each single release. This is an incredibly silly debate,
>incidentally. Oasis have still sold far more than Spice Girls and will
>sell far more than Spice Girls ever will.
I don't know. Even if I accept your 20 million figure for Oasis, that still
only puts them 5 million ahead of the Spice Girls, who of course have released
just one album, and that just over 7 months ago.
Slan leat,
Dara.
Tony Marshall
dar...@iol.ie (Dara O'Kearney) wrote:
>In article <bitchyspice-21...@d174-mfs.dancris.com>,
> bitch...@removethis.geocities.com (Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds) wrote:
>>In article <5tic6a$gf4$6...@nuacht.iol.ie>, dar...@iol.ie (Dara O'Kearney)
>wrote:
>>
>>>According to the latest official UK chart figures, Spice is now 9 times
>>>platinum, and WTS(MG) 12 times platinum, suggesting that the gap is now less
>>>than a million between the two. And with Spice still regularly in the top 5,
>>>and still the 'current' album, so to speak, chances are it'll close further,
>>>and perhaps eventually overtake WTS(MG).
>>
>>You forget that Oasis are still in the charts too,
>
>No, I don't. But the fact is that Spice is much higher in the UK charts
>currently than either of the first two Oasis albums, and hence is closing the
>gap.
>
For the time being maybe. I suspect the first two Oasis albums will be
ever present in the lower reaches of the chart for a few years to
come, whereas I doubt Spice will be..
deng xioliu
The reason the Spice Girls are becoming so popular is because almost every littel girl for age 5-12 owns
their album. It's up beat and girly, and they love it, just like they love their Barney Cd's. Most of
the, this is the only CD they own, cept maybe Hanson too. Little kids like that kind of music. It just
apeals to them.
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Lulu Spice
In article <5u1ng2$s3a$2...@nuacht.iol.ie>, dar...@iol.ie (Dara O'Kearney) wrote:
>In article <bitchyspice-23...@d102-mfs.dancris.com>,
> bitch...@removethis.geocities.com (Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds) wrote:
>>>That's nice, but I'd prefer a simple reference source like "The NME from two
>>>weeks ago" that I could check. Until then, I'm still inclined to accept the
>>>figure from the latest Q as the most reliable.
>>*rolls eyes* Right, let me just go look through every magazine I own.
>>Okay, try Billboard. That's probably got it.
>Probably?
Yes, probably, as I don't know how extensive their non-online version can
be in terms of actual sales. Right, another source, you can check the
Chicago Tribune, Tribune newspapers (not the Chicago ones, the ones owned
by Thompson Inc. in the US) and the New York Times for some more sources
on this. Being as I saw articles in all three recently with those
statistics.
[Q]
>There's a difference between being 'off' in your figures and being (slightly)
>out of date.
I know what Q magazine you are talking about (incidentally, every single
one of the stats in that article was wrong -- they rounded them severely),
and they've contradicted themselves (earlier editions and all). Q is just
about the most untrustowrthy British magazine I have found on this point.
They like to play with figures to suit the day.
>Are you saying that every other magazine in the world has the 20 million
>figure? Cos I couldn't find even one. Can't you just give me the magazine name
>and date or edition number from one of the many you obviously have in your
>collection?
Why should I? I already pointed out the Melody Maker article about the
Spice Girls, which was full of backed up statistics (as anyone with any
ability to read the chart numbers would figure out anyhow), and you called
it 'rubbish'. I pointed out that several magazines list Oasis's total
sales at 20million, and you call this crap. Why should I even bother at
all? Other than it makes you look more ridiculous.
>>Yeah, and let me go back to my original point about Oasis's sales steadily
>>rising in all markets, and Spice's sales rapidly declining with each
>>subsequent single release (oh, yeah, source for this one is Melody Maker.
>>Go look up the date yourself, I don't feel like it).
>Yes, but that's rubbish, and the charts prove it.
Wrong, dear. First of all, the example that you show below (which I will
get to in a minute) only features to US charts. There are hundreds of
other charts in the world. For instance, on the UK chart, Oasis STILL has
ancient singles in rather high positions. 'Spice', on the other hand, has
taken a dive in sales with every single they release in the UK, and each
single sells less than the one before it. The charts DO prove this, along
with Virgin statistics, Creation statistics, etc etc.
>Simple logic dictates that if the Spice Girls album is currently #4 in the US,
>and that neither of the first two Oasis albums are currently in the US top 250
>(and this is a fact: go check out World Of Music's online site for the latest
>chart), then Spice is comfortably outselling both Oasis albums currently, in
>the US.
Currently being the key. Spice is, as I stated *above* and *before* in
previous entries, constantly losing sales at a very steady rate, as with
most fad cds. Oasis's new album is set to debut at number one in the US in
the next charts with extrodinarily high sales (is this the part where I
point out that Spice didn't manage to even debut top five in the US?), and
has sold 1 million+ copies in the UK on *first week*. Believe me, the lads
are not sweating it. WTSMG? has still outsold Spice by quite a few copies,
and they've got an old album and a new album and singles that constantly
add to sales. 'Simple' logic is a very apt term for what you are using,
simple being the key word. You need to do a little more than graze the
surface before you make asinine comments.
>>One more question: are you actually remotely interested in Oasis at all,
>>or are you just another Spicey troll who keeps popping up in several
>>unrelated groops?
>I fail to see the relevance of this question,
Relevance of the question is that its been done before and, quite frankly,
far more entertainingly, mainly by Spice trolls. Spice Girls fans tend to
be the most misinformed fans out there, who assume current chart position
means everything in sales. Funny how I mistook you for one.
>But I also don't like the type of "our group above all others" fan who make
>unsubstantiated claims about their group. It doesn't really matter who sold
>more - the Spice Girls or Oasis. But the fact remains that Spice has sold more
>copies than any of the three Oasis albums to date, and IMHO none of the three
>Oasis albums will ever sell as much as Spice already has.
You know, this is really amazingly daft. First off, as I have kept
repeating, you are the one making just barely substantiated claims, and
they are 'substantiated' by a dodgy article in a magazine that has
contradicted itself on the matter several times. Secondly, if it doesn't
matter, why did you bring it up? This discussion started with a laugh, me
telling a few people not to mind Spice Girls, as I've met them and they
are more crap in person than on tv. That's where you came in with your
bizarre sales claims, none of which are actually correct. I mean, really,
excuse me, but piss off. No point in getting into an argument only so you
can tell everyone it's irrelevant, when it had nothing to do with the
discussion to begin with.
>But, as Frank Zappa said, the amount of tickets sold or the amount of records
>sold tells us not a jot about the quality of the music.
Yep. And, amazingly, that statement still has absolutely nowt to do with
this discussion at all.
Cheers,
Lulu
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