Brian Wilson-Kurt Cobain similarities
Johnny Cashmachine
notice the striking similarity (in looks) betwen Brian Wilson (not sure
what years but when he had a beard and had put on some weight) and Kurt
Cobain c.'92-93 (when he also had a beard). It's not always apparent but
from some angles especially side profile they are almost identical. They
both have exactly the same haunted stare. Anyone else noticed this?
Stoney4429
>They<BR>
>both have exactly the same haunted stare. Anyone else noticed this?
No. But they were/are both musical genius.
Stone. 'I live in a free country?'
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Mankatt
>
>I was watching a Beach boys documentary yesterday and couldn't help
>notice the striking similarity (in looks) betwen Brian Wilson (not sure
>what years but when he had a beard and had put on some weight) and Kurt
>Cobain c.'92-93 (when he also had a beard). It's not always apparent but
>from some angles especially side profile they are almost identical. They
wow..when i saw this post i kinda freaked out cause you just happened to hit my
two favorite musicians at the same time.......they are the only two who I read
books on, know all the unreleased songs....go to message boards...etc....
im not sure if they look alike..thats kinda a neat idea though
Dauber
>I was watching a Beach boys documentary yesterday and couldn't help
>notice the striking similarity (in looks) betwen Brian Wilson (not sure
>what years but when he had a beard and had put on some weight) and Kurt
>Cobain c.'92-93 (when he also had a beard). It's not always apparent but
>from some angles especially side profile they are almost identical. They
>both have exactly the same haunted stare. Anyone else noticed this?
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Don't EVER insult Brian Wilson -- or ANYONE -- by telling him -- or ANYONE
-- that he -- or ANYONE -- has ever resembled that piece of shit who blew
his brains out because he couldn't handle being a star...poor baby...could
have everything he could ever want, but instead he has to blow all his
money on smack and then shoot himself in the head.
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--= Dauber =-- | "I thought Brian [Wilson] was a perfect
dau...@megsinet.net | gentleman, apart from buttering his
www.fortunecity.com/ | head and trying to put it between two
meltingpot/seabright/794 | slices of bread." -- Tom Petty * 11 *
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Hey diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle, piggy in the middle...
Mark Lassman
later... hmmm?
Bjorn Magnusson
>
> Fine, but let's see how many "Nirvana" songs we'll all be singing 30 years
> later... hmmm?
It all depends on your age.
I'm 18, I can barely name any Beach Boys song. I can sing along to that
"ba-ba-ba, ba-ba-burray" thing, but that's it.
And I _guess_ that you are over 18, and barely can name any Nirvana
song. You may have heard Smells Like Teen Spirit on the radio.
30 years from now, I think that we, the Nirvana fans, will sing along to
about as many Beach Boys' songs as you guys do now.
--
Bjorn Magnusson
---
bjo...@home.se
http://www.algonet.se/~bara1
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"If you're really a mean person you're going
to come back as a fly and eat poop. You'll
come back as a fly or Matt Lukin."
- Kurt Cobain
Bjorn Magnusson
> Don't EVER insult Brian Wilson -- or ANYONE -- by telling him -- or ANYONE
> -- that he -- or ANYONE -- has ever resembled that piece of shit who blew
> his brains out because he couldn't handle being a star...poor baby...could
> have everything he could ever want, but instead he has to blow all his
> money on smack and then shoot himself in the head.
What's the matter with all you ignorant, respectless dickheads?
Dean
>
> Johnny Cashmachine (mea...@mail2.tcd.ie) dixit:
> >I was watching a Beach boys documentary yesterday and couldn't help
> >notice the striking similarity (in looks) betwen Brian Wilson (not sure
> >what years but when he had a beard and had put on some weight) and Kurt
> >Cobain c.'92-93 (when he also had a beard). It's not always apparent but
> >from some angles especially side profile they are almost identical. They
> >both have exactly the same haunted stare. Anyone else noticed this?
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> -- that he -- or ANYONE -- has ever resembled that piece of shit who blew
> his brains out because he couldn't handle being a star...poor baby...could
> have everything he could ever want, but instead he has to blow all his
> money on smack and then shoot himself in the head.
>
> --= Dauber =-- | "I thought Brian [Wilson] was a perfect
> dau...@megsinet.net | gentleman, apart from buttering his
> www.fortunecity.com/ | head and trying to put it between two
> meltingpot/seabright/794 | slices of bread." -- Tom Petty * 11 *
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>
> Hey diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle, piggy in the middle...
youre an ignorant son of a bitch
Dan Addington
newsgroup to discuss the Beach Boys music, and we get on ANOTHER newsgroup
when we want to discuss Nirvana. maybe you should give that a try. By the
way, if I wanted ANYONE on a Nirvana newsgroup to take anything I said
seriously, I wouldn't start by quoting a line from their most popular song
and getting it wrong, like you did when you quoted "ba ba ba, ba ba buray".
Why would you get on this newsgroup and yell "hey Beach Boy fans...I don't
know anything!!!...please listen to my opinions about your favorite group"?
--
Dan
http://surf.to/brianwilson
http://www.dan.addington.com
Bjorn Magnusson <bjo...@home.se> wrote in article
<36080B0C...@home.se>...
> Dauber wrote:
>
> > Don't EVER insult Brian Wilson -- or ANYONE -- by telling him -- or
ANYONE
> > -- that he -- or ANYONE -- has ever resembled that piece of shit who
blew
> > his brains out because he couldn't handle being a star...poor
baby...could
> > have everything he could ever want, but instead he has to blow all his
> > money on smack and then shoot himself in the head.
>
Gerry Ashley
Bjorn Magnusson wrote in message <36080970...@home.se>...
>It all depends on your age.
>
>I'm 18, I can barely name any Beach Boys song. I can sing along to that
>"ba-ba-ba, ba-ba-burray" thing, but that's it.
Amazing... and here you are wasting your time in the Beach Boys newsgroup.
Wonder why that could be? Could it be that listening to too much Nirvana has
rotted your brain to the point where you can't find your way to their
newsgroup?
>And I _guess_ that you are over 18, and barely can name any Nirvana
>song. You may have heard Smells Like Teen Spirit on the radio.
Heard it? Yes, I have.
Understood a single fucking word of that screeching? Nope.
Cared enough to ask someone what it means? Nope.
Impressed by someone who thinks blowing his head off is the answer to his
problems? Uh-uh (though his daughter is probably better off not growing up
with his influence... now if Courtney would just do the same...)
Will Nirvana even be remembered in the anals of Rock and Roll? Probably as
a footnote about a very short-lived trend called grunge. Face it. Nirvana's
contribution to the entertainment world was little to nothing of value. To
even compare them to the Beach Boys is as laughable as comparing e-coli
infested hamburger to filet mignon. And, just so you'll understand, The
Beach Boys are the filet mignon in that analogy.
>30 years from now, I think that we, the Nirvana fans, will sing along to
>about as many Beach Boys' songs as you guys do now.
Well then, there's some hope for you yet. Then again, 30 years from now,
you won't remember the words (oops... screams) to Nirvana's songs anyway.
Mankatt
>>I was watching a Beach boys documentary yesterday and couldn't help
>>notice the striking similarity (in looks) betwen Brian Wilson (not sure
>>what years but when he had a beard and had put on some weight) and Kurt
>>Cobain c.'92-93 (when he also had a beard). It's not always apparent but
>>from some angles especially side profile they are almost identical. They
>>both have exactly the same haunted stare. Anyone else noticed this?
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>-- that he -- or ANYONE -- has ever resembled that piece of shit who blew
>his brains out because he couldn't handle being a star...poor baby...could
>have everything he could ever want, but instead he has to blow all his
>money on smack and then shoot himself in the head.
>
called (aside from the fact it is NEVER updated)..but WEAK commentary such as
the preceeding public service announcement has basically wiped out all respect
that I may have had, I just love newsgroup "squatters" who lurk and lurk and
yes, lurk, until they find just the right moment to make their self-righteous,
and often, ingonrant, statements.....makes me think that some people need to
GET OUT OF THE HOUSE once in a while
Pete
Cobain AND Wilson fan
(get OVER it)
Mankatt
>
>Fine, but let's see how many "Nirvana" songs we'll all be singing 30 years
>later... hmmm?
>
>
>> I was watching a Beach boys documentary yesterday and couldn't help
>> notice the striking similarity (in looks) betwen Brian Wilson (not sure
>> what years but when he had a beard and had put on some weight) and Kurt
>> Cobain c.'92-93 (when he also had a beard). It's not always apparent but
>> from some angles especially side profile they are almost identical. They
>> both have exactly the same haunted stare. Anyone else noticed this?
>
>
>
>
good lord..are you BRAINDEAD..he makes a simple comment..and you go TRASHING
it......GO TO BED
Mankatt
I guess I am the only one here that can claim to be both a Kurt and Brian
fanatic...(proof..I can go into detail about the On the Mountain/You Got No
Right debate..or state opinions on if Token Eastern Song is same as Junkyard.
...reasons why the fecal matter demo is genuinie..just not under the right
title......as well as discuss which parts of songs from Smile were recycled
into Smiley Smile...(including why I belive parts of vegatables are from smile
sessions..)..I can recite the lyrics to "surfs up"...or "this whole
world"....or..good lord.."my diane"...."stevie")....anyways..I can get into
obscure stuff on both sides..and I love both..so why the hell wont everybody
just shut up...its like a parent and kid arguing..one doesnt understand the
other.....and basically cant understand the other.....and...its just kinda
getting me all irriated......so..umm...Im going to stop now
Mark Lassman
Gerry Ashley wrote:
> Bjorn Magnusson wrote in message <36080970...@home.se>...
Dean
what the hell is that asshole doing insulting nirvana here? nirvana's
music changed my life. they will always rock. i have no clue who any
of the beach boys are, and i know none of their songs. their music is
shit to me.
Bjorn Magnusson
>
> I'll tell you what the matter is with us dickheads...we get on THIS
> newsgroup to discuss the Beach Boys music, and we get on ANOTHER newsgroup
> when we want to discuss Nirvana. maybe you should give that a try.
Did you follow the thread from the beginning? If so, you may have
noticed, that the first poster stated that he thought that there were
similarities in the looks of Brian Wilson and Kurt Cobain. Nothing more.
And I can't see what's wrong in posting that to both the Nirvana and the
Beach Boys newsgroups. If it had been posted to, say,
alt.food.sourdough, I would've understand where your madness was coming
from.
The reason why I posted my message to both groups was that someone from
the Beach Boys newsgroup posted a message with extremely ignorant
content, and
I felt the need to answer.
> By the
> way, if I wanted ANYONE on a Nirvana newsgroup to take anything I said
> seriously, I wouldn't start by quoting a line from their most popular song
> and getting it wrong, like you did when you quoted "ba ba ba, ba ba buray".
I'm sorry about that, but I needed to quote it, because it showed that
not
everyone is singing along to the Beach Boys' songs, which the person I
replied to implied.
--
Bjorn Magnusson
Bjorn Magnusson
>
> Bjorn Magnusson wrote in message <36080970...@home.se>...
> >It all depends on your age.
> >
> >I'm 18, I can barely name any Beach Boys song. I can sing along to that
> >"ba-ba-ba, ba-ba-burray" thing, but that's it.
>
> Amazing... and here you are wasting your time in the Beach Boys newsgroup.
> Wonder why that could be? Could it be that listening to too much Nirvana has
> rotted your brain to the point where you can't find your way to their
> newsgroup?
It's called crossposting. Look at the subject. Threads DO evolve into
other topics every once in a while. Now, what was that part about the
rotten brain again?
> >And I _guess_ that you are over 18, and barely can name any Nirvana
> >song. You may have heard Smells Like Teen Spirit on the radio.
>
> Heard it? Yes, I have.
Good for you.
> Understood a single fucking word of that screeching? Nope.
Yet another ignorant statement. And that "screeching" is commonly
refered to as "passion".
> Impressed by someone who thinks blowing his head off is the answer to his
> problems? Uh-uh (though his daughter is probably better off not growing up
> with his influence... now if Courtney would just do the same...)
That's a great argument when we're discussing music, man! I agree that
it was an _extremely_ stupid thing to do, it's not that. Just give it a
rest.
> Will Nirvana even be remembered in the anals of Rock and Roll? Probably as
> a footnote about a very short-lived trend called grunge. Face it. Nirvana's
> contribution to the entertainment world was little to nothing of value.
Little to nothing of value for YOU, perhaps. Believe it or not, I would
say the same thing about the Beach Boys. I'm sure that the Beach Boys
have influenced a lot of artists, but so have Nirvana. "Face it".
> To even compare them to the Beach Boys is as laughable as comparing e-coli
> infested hamburger to filet mignon. And, just so you'll understand, The
> Beach Boys are the filet mignon in that analogy.
FYI, I haven't seen _anyone_ compare those two bands, at least not
musically.
> >30 years from now, I think that we, the Nirvana fans, will sing along to
> >about as many Beach Boys' songs as you guys do now.
>
> Well then, there's some hope for you yet. Then again, 30 years from now,
> you won't remember the words (oops... screams) to Nirvana's songs anyway.
I believe I will.
Gerry Ashley
Dean wrote in message <360914...@sympatico.ca>...
>what the hell is that asshole doing insulting nirvana here? nirvana's
>music changed my life. they will always rock. i have no clue who any
>of the beach boys are, and i know none of their songs. their music is
>shit to me.
Yes, and that would, undoubtedly explain why you are spending so much time
here in the Beach Boy's newsgroup.
Thank you, for reaffirming the Beach Boy's music with your comments.
Doug
analogy by writing:
>> >I was watching a Beach boys documentary yesterday and couldn't help
>> >notice the striking similarity (in looks) betwen Brian Wilson (not sure
>> >what years but when he had a beard and had put on some weight) and Kurt
>> >Cobain c.'92-93 (when he also had a beard). It's not always apparent but
>> >from some angles especially side profile they are almost identical. They
>> >both have exactly the same haunted stare. Anyone else noticed this?
Which Dauber followed with:
>> Don't EVER insult Brian Wilson -- or ANYONE -- by telling him -- or
ANYONE
>> -- that he -- or ANYONE -- has ever resembled that piece of shit who blew
>> his brains out because he couldn't handle being a star...poor
baby...could
>> have everything he could ever want, but instead he has to blow all his
>> money on smack and then shoot himself in the head.
>>
>> Hey diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle, piggy in the middle...
and finally, Dean wrote in message <3607D3...@sympatico.ca>...
>youre an ignorant son of a bitch
... thereby confirming that Beach Boys AND Nirvana fans can be equally
ignorant, since we all know that Brian Wilson NEVER engaged in
self-destructive activities because "...he couldn't handle being a star..."
-Doug
(who likes both bands and wonders why nobody bothered to answer the
original question with anything but Flames)
Carey Y?
similar death to Kurt's two years ago. We used to compare our musical icons,
and we both found good and not so good things in them. We had a rule:
whoever was driving controlled what was in the car stereo, and we had some
pretty fascinating journeys. I would regale him with "Friends" and he would
answer with "Smells like teen spirit" and "Black Sunshine". I miss him real
bad...
Dean
how am i in a beach boys newsgroup? im in a nirvana newsgroup asswipe
Gerry Ashley
Doug wrote in message <6uc1m1$htf$1...@nntp2.ba.best.com>...
> -Doug
> (who likes both bands and wonders why nobody bothered to answer the
>original question with anything but Flames)
>
Well, Doug, nothing stopping you from answering it, is there?
Frankly, it appears to me that nobody in the Beach Boys newsgroup thought it
was worthy of an answer.
In effect, THERE'S your answer.
Brian MacDonald
> -Doug
> (who likes both bands and wonders why nobody bothered to answer the
>original question with anything but Flames)
Well, aside from both Brian and Kurt being highly touted songwriters,
often being misunderstood, and having their fare share of chemical
problems, they don't have too much in common.
I respect both, and if Kurt had the chance to live as long a life
as Brian has so far (amazing enough), surely Kurt would have
been as legendary.
==================================================================
Brian MacDonald <bri...@kuci.org>
KUCI 88.9 fM in Irvine, CA -- Orange County
"I used to think that the brain was the most wonderful organ
in my body. Then I realized who was telling me this."
-- Emo Phillips
==================================================================
Doug
>"Doug" <ceres@*sirius*.com> wrote:
>
>> -Doug
>> (who likes both bands and wonders why nobody bothered to answer the
>>original question with anything but Flames)
>
>Well, aside from both Brian and Kurt being highly touted songwriters,
>often being misunderstood, and having their fare share of chemical
>problems, they don't have too much in common.
I think I could add a few more ... they both had family problems during
childhood (although at least Brian had a loving mother - Kurt had pretty
much no family) ... they both came to embody their respective genres
("surf-pop", "grunge") even though they weren't genre founders (Jan&Dean and
Green River both came earlier, respectively) ... both refused to be shackled
by their respective genres ('Pet Sounds', the cellos & stuff on 'Unplugged'
and 'In Utero'), which may be one reason they became highly touted ... they
both combined images of extreme optimism and extreme fatalism in their
songwriting, which may be one reason why both have been so often
misunderstood ... I'm sure there are more (especially for those who are as
willing as I to grasp at tenuous straws) ...
>I respect both, and if Kurt had the chance to live as long a life
>as Brian has so far (amazing enough), surely Kurt would have
>been as legendary.
Well, dying young is one of the best ways to become a legend!
-Doug
Dan Addington
for the words "dickhead" and "asswipe" to pop up on this here lil'
newsgroup...and nothing!...until now, and it took a Nirvana thread and
Nirvana fans to do it! Good going, boys!
--
Dan
http://surf.to/brianwilson
http://www.dan.addington.com
Dean <dean.sch...@sympatico.ca> wrote in article
<360959...@sympatico.ca>...
Bjorn Magnusson
>
> See...now THIS is why I love Nirvana fans so much. I've waited a long time
> for the words "dickhead" and "asswipe" to pop up on this here lil'
> newsgroup...and nothing!...until now, and it took a Nirvana thread and
> Nirvana fans to do it! Good going, boys!
I also waited for someone to remind me of that junkie that blew his head
off.
Dan Addington
--
Dan
http://surf.to/brianwilson
http://www.dan.addington.com
blerk <bsp...@nospamfl.com.au> wrote in article
<MPG.10765734b...@news.fl.net.au>...
> In article <6ubn7h$oph$2...@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> g_as...@earthlink.net says...
> >
> > Dean wrote in message <360914...@sympatico.ca>...
> >
> > >what the hell is that asshole doing insulting nirvana here? nirvana's
> > >music changed my life. they will always rock. i have no clue who any
> > >of the beach boys are, and i know none of their songs. their music is
> > >shit to me.
> >
> > Yes, and that would, undoubtedly explain why you are spending so much
time
> > here in the Beach Boy's newsgroup.
> >
> > Thank you, for reaffirming the Beach Boy's music with your comments.
>
> If you had a clue sir, maybe you would realise that the original post has
> both newsgroups, and unfortunately EVERYONE has failed to change the
> newsgroups to which they post. While it is a mistake, you have no right
> to critisise the taste of other people probably of a different
> generation. A post asking for those in alt.music.nirvana to remove the
> alt.music.beach-boys from the postings would have been more appropriate.
>
> Ridiculing the people who are accidentally posting into your newsgroup
> will not be useful for you. Now I don't know whether I (or we) should
> even try and stop people from stop cross-posting (internet ettiquette)
> now into your newsgroup. If we're that brainless, why are you following
> suit and doing everything in your power to provoke replies?
>
> I could quote a lyric from Faith No More (who I assume you think are
> Clostridium botulinum infested canned manure for all I care) in regards
> to how you think Nirvana will not be significant (while the Beach Boys
> have been after 30 years). "Shit lives forever". But of course I won't
> continue to post my negative opinions towards a band which holds a lot of
> meaning (everyone has different tastes), because it would merely continue
> the cross posts back with all the cliched comebacks. Besides, there isn't
> anything seriously wrong with the Beach Boys compared to some other
> "artists", but next time AT LEAST be aware that people are not
> deliberately crossposting (and try to stop irrelevant replies going into
> your newsgroup) instead of having to post "hey shit for brains, what are
> you doing posting in the wrong newsgroup!!!!" and then start flaming for
> the wrong reasons. What scares me is the fact that although our brains
> have "rotted" beyond us posting to the "correct newsgroup" (which they
> actually did, just they also crossposted), this guy lacked the negative
> feedback systems to even refrain from replying from it practically (and
> while some people obviously have trouble utilising this component of the
> brain, you'd expect someone who obviously has more brain matter and
> better taste to refrain from torching every misdirected post which he
> discovers..
>
> By the way, I am SURE the fans of Nirvana will remember the lyrics
> thereof in 20 years time, provided they knew what they were in the first
> place. :)
>
> My apologies to everyone else in the alt.music.beach-boys newsgroup. I
> hope I didn't insult you with my flame towards Gerry Ashley (and that
> other guy who has contributed such intelligent conversation), but
> unfortunately, when someone thinks they have the right to put down other
> people's tastes (no matter how little the person can comprehend such a
> complex concept), they must be ostracised. I hope the thread dies.
>
blerk
C,TFM
> Dean wrote in message <360914...@sympatico.ca>...
>
> >what the hell is that asshole doing insulting nirvana here? nirvana's
> >music changed my life. they will always rock. i have no clue who any
> >of the beach boys are, and i know none of their songs. their music is
> >shit to me.
>
> Yes, and that would, undoubtedly explain why you are spending so much time
> here in the Beach Boy's newsgroup.
Or maybe you just haven't realised that this thread is crossposted to
the Nirvana AND the Beach Boys newsgroup. Look at the Newsgroups: line,
genius.
HrtShpdBox
>> Fine, but let's see how many "Nirvana" songs we'll all be singing 30 years
later... hmmm?<
>It all depends on your age.
I'm 18, I can barely name any Beach Boys song. I can sing along to that
"ba-ba-ba, ba-ba-burray" thing, but that's it.
And I _guess_ that you are over 18, and barely can name any Nirvana
song. You may have heard Smells Like Teen Spirit on the radio.<<
Being way, way over 18, and able to name most songs by either band, I'd like to
suggest that Beach Boys songs are far more "sing-along-able" than Nirvana
songs, so it's not really an apt comparison. I think, though, that there are
some comparisons to be made between Kurt's and Brian Wilson's state of fragile
personal isolation, among other things. Thirty years from now, I'm guessing
that Nevermind will be much bigger than Pet Sounds (or Smile..hmmm), but that's
just my opinion.
HrtShpdBox
<<Will Nirvana even be remembered in the anals of Rock and Roll? Probably as a
footnote about a very short-lived trend called grunge. Face it. Nirvana's
even compare them to the Beach Boys is as laughable as comparing e-coli
infested hamburger to filet mignon. And, just so you'll understand, The Beach
Boys are the filet mignon in that analogy.
>>
What a short-sighted analysis. I can imagine that someone who likes the Beach
Boys in the same way they like, say, Jan and Dean, might be dim-witted enough
to dismiss any music that doesn't dwell on surfboards or GTOs. But a Beach
Boys fan who admires Brain Wilson's musical innovation, where he stretched the
envelope, would have to be extremely close-minded not to give Kurt Cobain his
due. Truly, Nirvana is about "grunge" as much as the Beach Boys are about
"surfer tunes". Nevermind is a very complex record...perhaps you should
suspend your biases a little and give it a listen.
HrtShpdBox
<<Yes, and that would, undoubtedly explain why you are spending so much time
here in the Beach Boy's newsgroup.>>
Gosh, it sure looks to me like you are the guys spending time here, in the
Nirvana newsgroup.
HrtShpdBox
<<. I've waited a long time
for the words "dickhead" and "asswipe" to pop up on this here lil'
newsgroup...and nothing!...until now, and it took a Nirvana thread and
Nirvana fans to do it! Good going, boys!>>
And I, myself, had been chomping at the bit, just hoping that someone would
comapre Nirvana with e coli hamburger...and it took a Beach Boys fan to finally
let me live my dream.
Dauber
>... thereby confirming that Beach Boys AND Nirvana fans can be equally
>ignorant, since we all know that Brian Wilson NEVER engaged in
>self-destructive activities because "...he couldn't handle being a star..."
Well, lessee...when Brian Wilson started self-destructing, it was in the
late '60s, when not much was known about the drugs he was stuffing his face
with. Hell, LSD was legal until 1967! But now this is the '90's...people
KNOW BETTER KNOW...except for those Seattlites...
PLUS...Brian Wilson had the brains to get HELP. I'm sure Mr. Cobain did,
but it's kinda hard to USE your brains when they're spilling on to the
floor...
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Daisy
<1163.573T2...@megsinet.net>...
> PLUS...Brian Wilson had the brains to get HELP. I'm sure Mr. Cobain
did,
> but it's kinda hard to USE your brains when they're spilling on to the
> floor...
'beach-boys-is-better-than-nirvana'-postings, but this is too much:
FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!
-daisy
--
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Bjorn Magnusson
> PLUS...Brian Wilson had the brains to get HELP. I'm sure Mr. Cobain did,
> but it's kinda hard to USE your brains when they're spilling on to the
> floor...
So, what you are saying is that when Kurt had shot himself, he should
get some help for his heroin addiction?
WHiTe VaMPiRe
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>Well, lessee...when Brian Wilson started self-destructing, it was in
the
>late '60s, when not much was known about the drugs he was stuffing
his face
>with. Hell, LSD was legal until 1967! But now this is the
'90's...people
>KNOW BETTER KNOW...except for those Seattlites...
Whatever, that's somewhat true. Yet not, I mean come on. It's
like someone who started smoking years ago before the "Surgeons
General Warning" saying that they didn't know any better. I mean come
on, wtf? You're inhaling smoke into your lungs, I'm sure there's
benifical effects.
>PLUS...Brian Wilson had the brains to get HELP. I'm sure Mr. Cobain
did,
>but it's kinda hard to USE your brains when they're spilling on to
the
>floor...
Mr. Cobain did seek help at one point, but regardless I belive it
to be his choice to commit suicide. I'm kinda rusty on my Beach Boys
'facts' but to my knowledge Brian Wilson isn't alive at this point
either.
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Abort Me
> Mr. Cobain did seek help at one point, but regardless I belive it
> to be his choice to commit suicide. I'm kinda rusty on my Beach Boys
> 'facts' but to my knowledge Brian Wilson isn't alive at this point
> either.
Although he may as well not be alive, he is......his last solo record is
god-awful though
,tym, the man with the golden foot
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Mutantmoose
<36080970...@home.se>...
> Mark Lassman wrote:
> >
> > Fine, but let's see how many "Nirvana" songs we'll all be singing 30
years
> > later... hmmm?
>
> It all depends on your age.
>
> I'm 18, I can barely name any Beach Boys song. I can sing along to that
> "ba-ba-ba, ba-ba-burray" thing, but that's it.
>
> And I _guess_ that you are over 18, and barely can name any Nirvana
> song. You may have heard Smells Like Teen Spirit on the radio.
>
> about as many Beach Boys' songs as you guys do now.
No, sheer numbers make this impossible. There are far more Beach Boys songs
out there than Nirvana songs. It's an almost impossible comparison anyways.
I will tell you, though, given the choice of "All Apologies" and "Good
Vibrations", both of which I love, I would go with "Good VIbrations". I
just like to hear positive stuff, what can I say!
I will note one other similarity though - both were used and worked over by
record companies and people who acted like friends.
Mark
Bjorn Magnusson
> > 30 years from now, I think that we, the Nirvana fans, will sing along to
> > about as many Beach Boys' songs as you guys do now.
>
> No, sheer numbers make this impossible. There are far more Beach Boys songs
> out there than Nirvana songs. It's an almost impossible comparison anyways.
There's a point that I missed, I guess :o)
> I will tell you, though, given the choice of "All Apologies" and "Good
> Vibrations", both of which I love, I would go with "Good VIbrations". I
> just like to hear positive stuff, what can I say!
Now that you mention it...I would much rather sing along to a song by
the Beatles than Nirvana. Mostly because it's "happier".
> I will note one other similarity though - both were used and worked over by
> record companies and people who acted like friends.
True (I don't know about the Beach Boys, but for Nirvana I guess it is
:o))
Abort Me
>> I will tell you, though, given the choice of "All Apologies" and "Good
>> Vibrations", both of which I love, I would go with "Good VIbrations". I
>> just like to hear positive stuff, what can I say!
>
> Now that you mention it...I would much rather sing along to a song by
> the Beatles than Nirvana. Mostly because it's "happier".
I'd rather take something that has genuine emotion to it.....although the Beach
Boys had amazing harmonizing skills, most of what I heard was just bad
bubblegum pop.......and alot of the bigger hits were very
samey......"Surfer Girl" is about the only one I can recall that can't be
mistaken for every other bloody song they've done
lisa...@att.com
"Daisy" <pia.s...@pp.inet.fi> wrote:
> at first i desided not to answer any of these
> 'beach-boys-is-better-than-nirvana'-postings, but this is too much:
> FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!
You know, I wasn't going to respond to this thread either, but I couldn't
resist...your response was so eloquent, so intelligent, so full of reasoning
that I was stunned.
Maybe if the Nirvana fans would cough up some facts and figures to defend
their heroes, this argument would've ended long ago. Yet all I ever read are
responses full of bile and petty-name calling. Comparing Brian Wilson and
Kurt Cobain are comparing apples and oranges.
And I'm not too old for Nirvana's appeal--I'm 26--but I never liked their
music, or much of what the grunge movement had to offer. And since I know
little about that genre of music, I'm in no position to insult the preferences
of those fans...just like I wouldn't want them insulting my love for Brian
Wilson's music.
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<A pile of tosh insulting two fairly good bands and/or people>
blerk <bsp...@nospamfl.com.au> wrote:
> If you had a clue sir, maybe you would realise that the original post has
> both newsgroups, and unfortunately EVERYONE has failed to change the
< Reasoned, friendly and polite clarification SNIPped >
Point taken
> My apologies to everyone else in the alt.music.beach-boys newsgroup.
Accepted, but not needed.
>I hope the thread dies.
Fair enough. Thanks.
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Mjoann
ANYONE
> -- that he -- or ANYONE -- has ever resembled that piece of shit who blew
> his brains out because he couldn't handle being a star...poor baby...could
> have everything he could ever want, but instead he has to blow all his
> money on smack and then shoot himself in the head.
>
> --= Dauber =-- | "I thought Brian [Wilson] was a perfect
> dau...@megsinet.net | gentleman, apart from buttering his
> www.fortunecity.com/ | head and trying to put it between two
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
> Hey diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle, piggy in the middle...
<<youre an ignorant son of a bitch>>
Nothing can convince me that Cobain was special. He most certainly
wasn't a musician, just a f*cked up druggie who appealed to his peers.
I just don't understand this "respect" for a guy who refused to wash his
hair. If that is his way of making a statement, I guess he didn't have
much to say.
Mjoann
>
> Mark Lassman wrote:
> >
> > Fine, but let's see how many "Nirvana" songs we'll all be singing 30 years
> > later... hmmm?
>
> It all depends on your age.
>
> I'm 18, I can barely name any Beach Boys song. I can sing along to that
> "ba-ba-ba, ba-ba-burray" thing, but that's it.
>
> And I _guess_ that you are over 18, and barely can name any Nirvana
> song. You may have heard Smells Like Teen Spirit on the radio.
>
> about as many Beach Boys' songs as you guys do now.
Nirvana's relatively small catalogue of meaningless shouting comes
nowhere near the Beach Boys' large amount of albums and hit songs.
Most young people have heard a lot of Beach Boys songs... they appeal to
a HUGE range of people. But Nirvana, is definitely for the
disillusioned drug crowd only.
Before you accuse me of being old... I am 20.
Mjoann
> The reason why I posted my message to both groups was that someone from
>
> the Beach Boys newsgroup posted a message with extremely ignorant
> content, and
> I felt the need to answer.
And your comments about the Beach Boys were not ignorant?
Oh well what can you expect from a guy who worships Kurt Cobain?....
Mjoann
>
> Dauber wrote:
>
> > Don't EVER insult Brian Wilson -- or ANYONE -- by telling him -- or ANYONE
> > -- that he -- or ANYONE -- has ever resembled that piece of shit who blew
> > his brains out because he couldn't handle being a star...poor baby...could
> > have everything he could ever want, but instead he has to blow all his
> > money on smack and then shoot himself in the head.
>
> --
> Bjorn Magnusson
Umm... what is there to respect? If you are fascinated by that worthless
loser, you are the one who is ignorant and in need of a musical
education.
= )
HrtShpdBox
<< Nothing can convince me that Cobain was special. He most certainly
wasn't a musician, just a f*cked up druggie who appealed to his peers.
I just don't understand this "respect" for a guy who refused to wash his
hair. If that is his way of making a statement, I guess he didn't have
much to say.>>
Yeah, that's not half the statement that Brian Wilson made for all those years
he sat in a sandbox in his living room, wiggling his toes.
Mjoann
> did,
> > but it's kinda hard to USE your brains when they're spilling on to the
> > floor...
> 'beach-boys-is-better-than-nirvana'-postings, but this is too much:
> FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!
> --
> "i'm a loser" -me
You kids need to grow up!
Mjoann
to be his choice to commit suicide. I'm kinda rusty on my Beach Boys
'facts' but to my knowledge Brian Wilson isn't alive at this point
either.>>
Well, I met Brian in June and he was alive.
JWB
>> > later... hmmm?
>>
>> It all depends on your age.
>>
>> I'm 18, I can barely name any Beach Boys song. I can sing along to that
>> "ba-ba-ba, ba-ba-burray" thing, but that's it.
What a stupid thing to say. First of all, it's BARBARA ANN. Second, I'm 19 and I know
plenty of Beach Boys songs because I was raised on good music. I have tons of their
albums, "Pet Sounds" is one my top 10 favorite records of all time. Perhaps MTV
should start playing Beach Boys videos.
>I'm kinda rusty on my Beach Boys
>'facts' but to my knowledge Brian Wilson isn't alive at this point
>either.
That's right, you're kinda rusty. Learn the facts before you state them.
But then this mojoann guy comes along and says stupid shit like this:
>> > Fine, but let's see how many "Nirvana" songs we'll all be singing 30 years
>> > later... hmmm?
Let's think. DUUUUHHHHHH.
>Nirvana's relatively small catalogue of meaningless shouting comes
>nowhere near the Beach Boys' large amount of albums and hit songs.
>
>But Nirvana, is definitely for the
>disillusioned drug crowd only.
>
>Nothing can convince me that Cobain was special. He most certainly
>wasn't a musician, just a f*cked up druggie who appealed to his peers.
>I just don't understand this "respect" for a guy who refused to wash his
>hair. If that is his way of making a statement, I guess he didn't have
>much to say.
I'm a Nirvana fan AND a Beach Boys fan. Kurt single handedly changed the face of rock
music, steered it into another direction like Brian Wilson did. If you're too stupid
to see that, then it's your problem. I'm not disillusioned nor am I in the drug
crowd. I don't consider Cobain a peer nor a poor musician. As for him being a fucked
up druggie, you're quite the hypocrite. Brian Wilson certainly falls into that
category, and someone who allows himself to be manipulated and controlled, drooling
all over himself in a locked room for so many years certainly does not stand up as
even being remotely the opposite of Kurt Cobain. He was in fact much worse!
They both had an ear for catchy music and clever songwriting, and they both had clear
visions of what they wanted to hear on tape before a note was recorded. Kurt only
began to scratch the surface of what he could do musically before his mental disease
got the best of him.
Don't be ignorant. And get a life.
--
JWB
JWB
sadly proves that you really know nothing about the argument you put forth. To say
such a thing is not only ludicrous, but is a stereotypical comment that would come
from someone who is uninformed.
--
JWB
Sven Agardh
Mjoann wrote:
> Nirvana's relatively small catalogue of meaningless shouting comes
> nowhere near the Beach Boys' large amount of albums and hit songs.
> Most young people have heard a lot of Beach Boys songs... they appeal to
> a HUGE range of people. But Nirvana, is definitely for the
> disillusioned drug crowd only.
> Before you accuse me of being old... I am 20.
For some people that is old. Maybe you're 5 or 10 years too old to listen to
Nirvana
Brian MacDonald
>I'd rather take something that has genuine emotion to it.....although the Beach
>Boys had amazing harmonizing skills, most of what I heard was just bad
>bubblegum pop.......and alot of the bigger hits were very
>samey......"Surfer Girl" is about the only one I can recall that can't be
>mistaken for every other bloody song they've done
Then obviously you haven't listened to enough Beach Boys...
"Pet Sounds", "Smiley Smile", "20/20", all great stuff that isn't
just music about girls, the beach, and cars.
It's weird. The Beatles aren't always remembered as the band
who hopped up and down like little puppies to "I Want To Hold
You Hand"... why do the Beach Boys always get slagged for being
a stupid surf band, when they put out material as original and great
as the Beatles did in their heydays as well?
Certainly, you Nirvana fans wouldn't want everybody to remember
Nirvana as "that band who did that Teen Spirit song who liked
to use heroin and smash his guitar amp and stuff", right?
(Why all the bad vibes? I like both Beach Boys and Nirvana and
don't feel a need to insult anybody... seeing this thread is
quite sad for Beach Boys and Nirvana fans alike, even for usenet).
==================================================================
Brian MacDonald <bri...@kuci.org>
KUCI 88.9 fM in Irvine, CA -- Orange County
"I used to think that the brain was the most wonderful organ
in my body. Then I realized who was telling me this."
-- Emo Phillips
==================================================================
Brian MacDonald
>Nirvana's relatively small catalogue of meaningless shouting comes
>nowhere near the Beach Boys' large amount of albums and hit songs.
>Most young people have heard a lot of Beach Boys songs... they appeal to
>a HUGE range of people. But Nirvana, is definitely for the
>disillusioned drug crowd only.
>Before you accuse me of being old... I am 20.
Comments like this make me ashamed to be a Beach Boys fan.
Bjorn Magnusson
>
> Bjorn Magnusson wrote:
>
> > The reason why I posted my message to both groups was that someone from
> >
> > the Beach Boys newsgroup posted a message with extremely ignorant
> > content, and
> > I felt the need to answer.
>
> And your comments about the Beach Boys were not ignorant?
Please re-post those statements. I don't seem to recall.
--
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Bjorn Magnusson
> Nirvana's relatively small catalogue of meaningless shouting comes
> nowhere near the Beach Boys' large amount of albums and hit songs.
The small amount of Nirvana songs can easily be explained...
> Most young people have heard a lot of Beach Boys songs... they appeal to
> a HUGE range of people. But Nirvana, is definitely for the
> disillusioned drug crowd only.
Oh yeah? Most young people have, believe it or not, heard Nirvana songs
as well! And, guess what, they obviously LIKE it! And "disillusioned
drug crowd"? Would you care to ellaborate?
> Before you accuse me of being old... I am 20.
Before you accuse me of being part of the "drug crowd"... the
'strongest' drug I've ever used is CAFFEINE.
There ya go.
Abort Me
>Certainly, you Nirvana fans wouldn't want everybody to remember
>Nirvana as "that band who did that Teen Spirit song who liked
>to use heroin and smash his guitar amp and stuff", right?
Why not? If it's the truth, who cares what other people think
Bjorn Magnusson
>
> Bjorn Magnusson wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Don't EVER insult Brian Wilson -- or ANYONE -- by telling him -- or ANYONE
> > > -- that he -- or ANYONE -- has ever resembled that piece of shit who blew
> > > his brains out because he couldn't handle being a star...poor baby...could
> > > have everything he could ever want, but instead he has to blow all his
> > > money on smack and then shoot himself in the head.
> >
> > What's the matter with all you ignorant, respectless dickheads?
> > --
> > Bjorn Magnusson
>
> Umm... what is there to respect? If you are fascinated by that worthless
> loser
I like the music his band played, I don't worship Kurt at all. Get over
it.
And "worthless" my ass...ask Geffen/DGC about that...
> you are the one who is ignorant and in need of a musical
> education.
> = )
I'm not even touching that one...
Bjorn Magnusson
>
> >> > Fine, but let's see how many "Nirvana" songs we'll all be singing 30 years
> >> > later... hmmm?
> >>
> >> It all depends on your age.
> >>
> >> I'm 18, I can barely name any Beach Boys song. I can sing along to that
> >> "ba-ba-ba, ba-ba-burray" thing, but that's it.
>
> What a stupid thing to say. First of all, it's BARBARA ANN.
Did you read the whole sentence? Did you see the "I can barely name any
Beach Boys song" part?
> Second, I'm 19 and I know
> plenty of Beach Boys songs because I was raised on good music.
Don't blame me, blame my parents. :o)
Bjorn Magnusson
> Nothing can convince me that Cobain was special. He most certainly
> wasn't a musician
Oh yes he was.
> just a f*cked up druggie who appealed to his peers.
> I just don't understand this "respect" for a guy who refused to wash his
> hair.
So you like the Beach Boys because of their clean hair, and not their
music? Strange, because I feel the opposite way about Nirvana's music...
Abort Me
>Nirvana's relatively small catalogue of meaningless shouting comes
>nowhere near the Beach Boys' large amount of albums and hit songs.
>a HUGE range of people. But Nirvana, is definitely for the
>disillusioned drug crowd only.
>
If you think commercial success is the equivalent of good music, you are sadly
misguided.........Maybe if you weren't a stereotypical fuckhead you might
notice that.....
Kurt Cobain's talent has been praised by far more established songwriters and
musicians ranging from Paul McCartney to David Bowie to Teg Nugent.......
Abort Me
Why is anybody bothering with this thread? Someone just pointed out that KC and
BW kindof looked alike and had a few similiarities and now it's an all out
bloody war between two bands which can almost be considered exact musical
opposites...................
Bjorn Magnusson
> Certainly, you Nirvana fans wouldn't want everybody to remember
> Nirvana as "that band who did that Teen Spirit song who liked
> to use heroin and smash his guitar amp and stuff", right?
You sir, are correct.
> (Why all the bad vibes? I like both Beach Boys and Nirvana and
> don't feel a need to insult anybody... seeing this thread is
> quite sad for Beach Boys and Nirvana fans alike, even for usenet).
My bad vibes are only pointed towards the persons who posted the
ignorant comments...
Justin Slade
> why do the Beach Boys always get slagged for being a stupid surf band
just a hunch, but perhaps because they have the word "beach" in their name.
"=)"
--
Justin (http://members.tripod.com/~justin_slade/)
when you see me coming, try to be kind.
Suicide Samurai
sounds the same and all is about superficial subjects like girls and
surfing and how Nirvana had an original sound and had songs about things
BESIDES love (imagine that!) and were true artists. the fact that Kurt
killed himself shows that he was genuine and that he wasn't acting out
the role of a rock star which he hated so much.
Dauber wrote:
>
> Doug (ceres@*sirius*.com) dixit:
>
> >... thereby confirming that Beach Boys AND Nirvana fans can be equally
> >ignorant, since we all know that Brian Wilson NEVER engaged in
> >self-destructive activities because "...he couldn't handle being a star..."
>
> Well, lessee...when Brian Wilson started self-destructing, it was in the
> late '60s, when not much was known about the drugs he was stuffing his face
> with. Hell, LSD was legal until 1967! But now this is the '90's...people
> KNOW BETTER KNOW...except for those Seattlites...
>
> PLUS...Brian Wilson had the brains to get HELP. I'm sure Mr. Cobain did,
> but it's kinda hard to USE your brains when they're spilling on to the
> floor...
>
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> --= Dauber =-- | "I thought Brian [Wilson] was a perfect
> dau...@megsinet.net | gentleman, apart from buttering his
> www.fortunecity.com/ | head and trying to put it between two
> meltingpot/seabright/794 | slices of bread." -- Tom Petty * 5 *
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
> "Nature's calling and I must go." --The Rutles
Dean
are we done insulting both of these groups yet? im sick of reading all
of these ignorant comments from both sides. im a huge nirvana fan, and
the beach boys were way before my time, but i respect them nonetheless.
please, lets just respect each others musical interests and stop with
the insulting and ignorant comments
Mjoann
>
> Anyone ever notice that the Beach Boys music all really blows and all
> sounds the same and all is about superficial subjects like girls and
> surfing
Maybe for the first few albums. I assume you aren't smart enough to get
past the commercialism and listen to Pet Sounds or Surf's Up.
Justin Slade
> > > why do the Beach Boys always get slagged for being a stupid surf band
> >
> > just a hunch, but perhaps because they have the word "beach" in their name.
> >
> > "=)"
> >
> are we done insulting both of these groups yet? im sick of reading all
> of these ignorant comments from both sides.
I certainly hope you weren't talking to me. If you took notice, I posted only to
AMN, and included a "=)". Even without that, it's not an ignorant comment, or an
insult, but an attempted joke. I thought canucks were good with humour...?
--
Justin (http://members.tripod.com/~justin_slade/)
Save the baby, kill the doctor.
Dauber
>Anyone ever notice that the Beach Boys music all really blows and all
>sounds the same and all is about superficial subjects like girls and
>surfing
Let's take a look at some Beach Boys songs and see how accurate you are...
Little Deuce Coupe -- hot rods
The Girls On The Beach -- self-explanatory
Surfin' USA -- again, self-explanatory
Pet Sounds -- an instrumental that was originally supposed to be the theme
for a James Bond movie
Feel Flows -- orgasm [seriously]
All This Is That -- transcendental meditation
Everybody Wants To Live -- flushing a cigarette down the toilet
Wild Honey -- r'n'b
Heroes And Villains -- nobody knows for sure, but most likely a Tex-Mex acid
trip
Susie Cincinnati -- either a cab driver or a prostitute. Al Jardine says
it's a cab driver, but I strongly believe the lyrics are full of double
entendres meaning that she's a prostitute.
Everyone's In Love With You -- a tribute to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
At My Window -- about a sparrow
Johnny Carson -- self-explanatory
Here Comes The Night -- either an R'n'B song or a disco song, depending on
which version you hear
Disney Girls -- a subtle reference to the loss of religion, virginity and
innocence
Wonderful -- a not-so-subtle reference to the loss of innocence and
virginity
Vegetables -- self-explanatory
California Saga -- a tribute to Northern California and the part of Mother
Nature in California that people seem to forget
Funky Pretty -- a song about an astrologer
Marcella -- a song about a masseuse
Student Demonstration Time -- self-explanatory, albeit a bad remake of
"Riot In Cell Block #9"
Back Home -- a song about living down-home in Ohio
Mrs. O'Leary's Cow -- a really frightening instrumental that represents a
destructive fire
She's Goin' Bald -- no question about it, this IS an acid trip!
Don't Go Near The Water -- anti-pollution
H.E.L.P. Is On The Way -- a musical plug for a health food store
It's Trying To Say -- a song about baseball and other things American
Loop De Loop -- a tribute to airplane stunt pilots
Lookin' At Tomorrow (A Welfare Song) -- a fresh, mellow, slightly
psychedelic song about blue-collar work
Take A Load Off Your Feet -- a weird song about foot care
All I Want To Do -- a hard rocker with the sounds of an orgy at the end
Never Learn Not To Love -- a song written by Charles Manson
Fall Breaks And Back To Winter -- an instrumental tribute to Woody
Woodpecker
Oh, you're right! The Beach Boys did songs about nothing but surfing and
girls! We're all wrong! I'm SO sorry!!!
>Kurt
>killed himself shows that he was genuine and that he wasn't acting out
>the role of a rock star which he hated so much.
If he didn't want to act the role of a rock star, why couldn't he change
professions?
[Oh..and for the record, Brian Wilson IS alive, and just released his
fourth solo album....]
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dau...@megsinet.net | gentleman, apart from buttering his
www.fortunecity.com/ | head and trying to put it between two
meltingpot/seabright/794 | slices of bread." -- Tom Petty * 2 *
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David Averbeck
Suicide Samurai <mgood...@fuse.net> wrote in article
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> Anyone ever notice that the Beach Boys music all really blows and all
> sounds the same and all is about superficial subjects like girls and
> surfing and how Nirvana had an original sound and had songs about things
> BESIDES love (imagine that!) and were true artists. the fact that Kurt
> killed himself shows that he was genuine and that he wasn't acting out
> the role of a rock star which he hated so much.
Oh come on, no one's sound is original! Nirvana just took the sound of
everyone they liked (pixies, mudhoney, melvins, etc.) and combined it.
Sure, some of it was original, but no one has a purely original sound that
no one else has come up with before.
Dan Addington
goofball, but Mjoann...listen...your starting to make the thoughtful fans
on this newsgroup (I, of course, do not refer to myself) look bad. This is
an unwinnable arguement being tossed back and forth with deft,
twelve-year-old flair. please...take a break and post something about how
greedy Mike Love is, or how Pet Sounds is a really cool album, or
something...anything...
--
Dan
http://surf.to/brianwilson
http://www.dan.addington.com
Mjoann <mjo...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
<360FF783...@earthlink.net>...
> <<> Don't EVER insult Brian Wilson -- or ANYONE -- by telling him -- or
> ANYONE
> > -- that he -- or ANYONE -- has ever resembled that piece of shit who
blew
> > his brains out because he couldn't handle being a star...poor
baby...could
> > have everything he could ever want, but instead he has to blow all his
> > money on smack and then shoot himself in the head.
> >
> >
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> > --= Dauber =-- | "I thought Brian [Wilson] was a
perfect
> > dau...@megsinet.net | gentleman, apart from buttering his
> > www.fortunecity.com/ | head and trying to put it between two
> > meltingpot/seabright/794 | slices of bread." -- Tom Petty *
11 *
> >
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> >
> > Hey diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle, piggy in the middle...
>
>
>
> <<youre an ignorant son of a bitch>>
>
> Nothing can convince me that Cobain was special. He most certainly
> wasn't a musician, just a f*cked up druggie who appealed to his peers.
> I just don't understand this "respect" for a guy who refused to wash his
Dan Addington
> 'facts' but to my knowledge Brian Wilson isn't alive at this point
> either.
>
I ...errr.. Um....blblbnppd...erbblbnmgggfrp.
--
Dan
http://surf.to/brianwilson
http://www.dan.addington.com
WHiTe VaMPiRe <whitev...@NOSPAM.mindless.com> wrote in article
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> Dauber wrote in message <1163.573T2...@megsinet.net>...
> >Well, lessee...when Brian Wilson started self-destructing, it was in
> the
> >late '60s, when not much was known about the drugs he was stuffing
> his face
> >with. Hell, LSD was legal until 1967! But now this is the
> '90's...people
> >KNOW BETTER KNOW...except for those Seattlites...
>
>
> Whatever, that's somewhat true. Yet not, I mean come on. It's
> like someone who started smoking years ago before the "Surgeons
> General Warning" saying that they didn't know any better. I mean come
> on, wtf? You're inhaling smoke into your lungs, I'm sure there's
> benifical effects.
>
> >PLUS...Brian Wilson had the brains to get HELP. I'm sure Mr. Cobain
> did,
> >but it's kinda hard to USE your brains when they're spilling on to
> the
> >floor...
>
>
> Mr. Cobain did seek help at one point, but regardless I belive it
> to be his choice to commit suicide. I'm kinda rusty on my Beach Boys
> 'facts' but to my knowledge Brian Wilson isn't alive at this point
> either.
>
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Dan Addington
> killed himself shows that he was genuine and that he wasn't acting out
> the role of a rock star which he hated so much.
>
hmm...or does it show, in fact, JUST THE OPPOSITE. !!!!???!!
> Dauber wrote:
> >
> > Doug (ceres@*sirius*.com) dixit:
> >
> > >... thereby confirming that Beach Boys AND Nirvana fans can be equally
> > >ignorant, since we all know that Brian Wilson NEVER engaged in
> > >self-destructive activities because "...he couldn't handle being a
star..."
> >
> > Well, lessee...when Brian Wilson started self-destructing, it was in
the
> > late '60s, when not much was known about the drugs he was stuffing his
face
> > with. Hell, LSD was legal until 1967! But now this is the
'90's...people
> > KNOW BETTER KNOW...except for those Seattlites...
> >
> > PLUS...Brian Wilson had the brains to get HELP. I'm sure Mr. Cobain
did,
> > but it's kinda hard to USE your brains when they're spilling on to the
> > floor...
> >
> >
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> > --= Dauber =-- | "I thought Brian [Wilson] was a
perfect
> > dau...@megsinet.net | gentleman, apart from buttering his
> > www.fortunecity.com/ | head and trying to put it between two
Bjorn Magnusson
>
> I thought Bjorn was a goofball
You are right, unfortunately. By the way, why?
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Bjorn Magnusson
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Mankatt
ok...something interesting to add...they were (are) both
affiliated/cousin/married to/with people who's last names are "Love", who are
of lesser talent, and seek to capitalize on their talent/wealth
Mankatt
>Why is anybody bothering with this thread? Someone just pointed out that KC
>and
>BW kindof looked alike and had a few similiarities and now it's an all out
>bloody war between two bands which can almost be considered exact musical
>opposites...................
>
name "Love"
im surprised nobody has said it yet
Mankatt
>I will note one other similarity though - both were used and worked over by
>record companies and people who acted like friends.
by people with the last name "Love"
Mankatt
>After loadsapeople wrote:
><A pile of tosh insulting two fairly good bands and/or people>
what does tosh mean...
Mankatt
>Anyone ever notice that the Beach Boys music all really blows and all
>sounds the same and all is about superficial subjects like girls and
>surfing and how Nirvana had an original sound and had songs about things
>killed himself shows that he was genuine and that he wasn't acting out
>the role of a rock star which he hated so much.
>
ok..ive been defending nirvana all week..but you have to listen to pet
sounds..just like all the beach boys people have to listen to in utero
Mankatt
>Maybe for the first few albums. I assume you aren't smart enough to get
>past the commercialism and listen to Pet Sounds or Surf's Up.
(i just want to spout some beach boys knowledge)
my top 5
god only knows
this whole world
til I die
breakaway
umm..and all the rest at number 5...actually they change every week
Mankatt
>Oh, you're right! The Beach Boys did songs about nothing but surfing and
>girls! We're all wrong! I'm SO sorry!!!
you might win some converts if you werent so vindicitve....also..some more
amusing ones would be
Male Ego: self explanitory
Smart Girls: brian raps
Surfs Up: obtuse rococian poetry set to piano in 2 movements (cause Brian didnt
finish the second..also..some of those lyrics sound like Nirvana lyrics....)
Fairy Tale Music: Brian tells stories to really bad synth music
Take a Load off your Feet: ode to foot care
Help is on the Way: I am a slob; I own a health food store
Hey Little Tomboy: (heh heh)
Stevie: Ode to Stevie Wonder
Solar System: learn about the planets with Brian
Cool Cool Water: Ode to water
Wind Chimes: sitting on a summer day..lookin at windchimes
Little Bird: umm..about a bird (sounds like child is father of the man..the
only song which takes a line from poet Mennanger)
thats enough...i should go over Nirvana songs sometime...they are just as
intersting..but I guess all you have heard (DAUBER)...is Teen Spirit......
HOW ABOUT A SPLIT SINGLE
Nirvana Beans/Beach Boys Vegatables
Jarle Brandvold
> as Brian has so far (amazing enough), surely Kurt would have
> been as legendary.
Oh, NOOO WAY! I've listened to Nirvana, and I had a headache for three
weeks afterwards...(kidding). But you know, where's the love in Kurt's
music? He sings about "rape me" and "I wanna eat your cancer when it turns
to black"!?!?! PUKE! The only reason Kurt is legendary is because the poor
guy commited suicide. Rest in peace, Kurt.
Jarle
Jarle Brandvold
beans because we forgot to delete the nirvana newsgroup....man, that is so
out of site...
Jarle
blerk <bsp...@nospamfl.com.au> skrev i artikkelen
<MPG.10765734b...@news.fl.net.au>...
> In article <6ubn7h$oph$2...@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> g_as...@earthlink.net says...
> >
> > Dean wrote in message <360914...@sympatico.ca>...
> >
> > >what the hell is that asshole doing insulting nirvana here? nirvana's
> > >music changed my life. they will always rock. i have no clue who any
> > >of the beach boys are, and i know none of their songs. their music is
> > >shit to me.
> >
> > Yes, and that would, undoubtedly explain why you are spending so much
time
> > here in the Beach Boy's newsgroup.
> >
> > Thank you, for reaffirming the Beach Boy's music with your comments.
>
> If you had a clue sir, maybe you would realise that the original post has
> both newsgroups, and unfortunately EVERYONE has failed to change the
> newsgroups to which they post. While it is a mistake, you have no right
> to critisise the taste of other people probably of a different
> generation. A post asking for those in alt.music.nirvana to remove the
> alt.music.beach-boys from the postings would have been more appropriate.
>
> Ridiculing the people who are accidentally posting into your newsgroup
> will not be useful for you. Now I don't know whether I (or we) should
> even try and stop people from stop cross-posting (internet ettiquette)
> now into your newsgroup. If we're that brainless, why are you following
> suit and doing everything in your power to provoke replies?
>
> I could quote a lyric from Faith No More (who I assume you think are
> Clostridium botulinum infested canned manure for all I care) in regards
> to how you think Nirvana will not be significant (while the Beach Boys
> have been after 30 years). "Shit lives forever". But of course I won't
> continue to post my negative opinions towards a band which holds a lot of
> meaning (everyone has different tastes), because it would merely continue
> the cross posts back with all the cliched comebacks. Besides, there isn't
> anything seriously wrong with the Beach Boys compared to some other
> "artists", but next time AT LEAST be aware that people are not
> deliberately crossposting (and try to stop irrelevant replies going into
> your newsgroup) instead of having to post "hey shit for brains, what are
> you doing posting in the wrong newsgroup!!!!" and then start flaming for
> the wrong reasons. What scares me is the fact that although our brains
> have "rotted" beyond us posting to the "correct newsgroup" (which they
> actually did, just they also crossposted), this guy lacked the negative
> feedback systems to even refrain from replying from it practically (and
> while some people obviously have trouble utilising this component of the
> brain, you'd expect someone who obviously has more brain matter and
> better taste to refrain from torching every misdirected post which he
> discovers..
>
> By the way, I am SURE the fans of Nirvana will remember the lyrics
> thereof in 20 years time, provided they knew what they were in the first
> place. :)
>
> My apologies to everyone else in the alt.music.beach-boys newsgroup. I
> hope I didn't insult you with my flame towards Gerry Ashley (and that
> other guy who has contributed such intelligent conversation), but
> unfortunately, when someone thinks they have the right to put down other
> people's tastes (no matter how little the person can comprehend such a
> complex concept), they must be ostracised. I hope the thread dies.
>
Jarle Brandvold
> nowhere near the Beach Boys' large amount of albums and hit songs.
> Most young people have heard a lot of Beach Boys songs... they appeal to
> a HUGE range of people. But Nirvana, is definitely for the
> disillusioned drug crowd only.
> Before you accuse me of being old... I am 20.
I think this Beach Boys-Nirvana comparing is stupid. Brian Wilson (of the
Beach Boys) is a genius. Poor Kurt Cowbone or whatever his name is, wrote
one or two nice tunes, horrible lyrics (as far as I know, I haven't read
all of it, but I mean, "rape me"? Come on!
And about accusing me of being old: I am 18, and to me there is no music
like Brian's...and back when I was 12-13, yeah, I'll admit it: I was a
Nirvana-fan. so there is hope for you Nirvana fans. I could change to be a
Beach Boys fan, and so can you! One day there will be no Nirvana newsgroup
anymore, it will be replaced by alt.music.brian-wilson. And maybe one day
alt.music.daria-wilson.
Jarle
Bjorn Magnusson
> But you know, where's the love in Kurt's music?
In the songwriting, the guitar playing and the singing (call it
"screeching" if you want, I couldn't care less about it).
> He sings about "rape me"
There is one thing I don't like with Kurt's/Nirvana's music, and that is
that Kurt _always_ sings about him wanting to be raped.
> The only reason Kurt is legendary is because the poor
> guy commited suicide.
Wrong.
Dan Addington
Jarle...you're killing me.
If this post isn't the last word on this subject, I can't imagine what
could be.
--
Dan
http://surf.to/brianwilson
http://www.dan.addington.com
Jarle Brandvold <arbr...@online.no> wrote in article
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Jarle Brandvold
>
> In the songwriting, the guitar playing and the singing (call it
> "screeching" if you want, I couldn't care less about it).
Oh, yeah, that's love. Yeah. Have you ever even HEARD of "Pet Sounds"?
I'm sure Kurt was a great guy, but I don't think "I'm gonna eat your cancer
when it turns to black" is love. And the music, those melodies, do you
really call that love? How do you find love in that music? I really would
like to know.
(I like some of the stuff they did on that Unplugged in New York, though.)
Go get "Pet Sounds right away, Bjørn (är du svensk?)
Jarle
John Murren
I feel your pain, "Jarle Brandvold" <arbr...@online.no>
<I'm sure Kurt was a great guy, but I don't think "I'm gonna eat your cancer
<when it turns to black" is love.
Actually, the line is "I wish I could eat your cancer when you turn black".
Kurt wrote after being saddened by a television show with kids that had cancer.
That shows love. Besides, who says every song is supposed to be about love?
I don't think all the Beach Boys songs are about love; it would be pretty
redundant if they all were (or if every song by any band was about the same
thing).
The fact that Kurt and Brian had different ways of expressing love doesn't
make either of them wrong. Nirvana and the Beach Boys are two different
bands, with two different backgrounds, and they were about 30 years apart.
They were both great, now let's drop it.
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If the shit fits, wear it. - Donald "Duck" Dunn
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Bjorn Magnusson
> > > But you know, where's the love in Kurt's music?
> >
> > In the songwriting, the guitar playing and the singing (call it
> > "screeching" if you want, I couldn't care less about it).
>
> Oh, yeah, that's love. Yeah.
I'm glad that we agree! :o)
> Have you ever even HEARD of "Pet Sounds"?
Heard OF it, yes, but I haven't actually heard it. Sorry.
> And the music, those melodies, do you
> really call that love? How do you find love in that music? I really would
> like to know.
Perhaps I don't find love in it, but I love the music. I'm a sucker for
emotions, you know.
> (I like some of the stuff they did on that Unplugged in New York, though.)
Don't tell me - the covers? ;o)
> Go get "Pet Sounds right away, Bjørn (är du svensk?)
I'll check my parents records, they're not as narrow-minded as I am,
musically.
And yes, I hail from Sweden. I really think that you are one of those
Norwegians!
tre...@bellsouth.net
Dauber wrote:
> Johnny Cashmachine (mea...@mail2.tcd.ie) dixit:
> >I was watching a Beach boys documentary yesterday and couldn't help
> >notice the striking similarity (in looks) betwen Brian Wilson (not sure
> >what years but when he had a beard and had put on some weight) and Kurt
> >Cobain c.'92-93 (when he also had a beard). It's not always apparent but
> >from some angles especially side profile they are almost identical. They
> >both have exactly the same haunted stare. Anyone else noticed this?
>
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> Don't EVER insult Brian Wilson -- or ANYONE -- by telling him -- or ANYONE
> -- that he -- or ANYONE -- has ever resembled that piece of shit who blew
> his brains out because he couldn't handle being a star...poor baby...could
> have everything he could ever want, but instead he has to blow all his
> money on smack and then shoot himself in the head.
>
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> --= Dauber =-- | "I thought Brian [Wilson] was a perfect
> dau...@megsinet.net | gentleman, apart from buttering his
> www.fortunecity.com/ | head and trying to put it between two
> meltingpot/seabright/794 | slices of bread." -- Tom Petty * 11 *
cur...@ix.netcom.com
Just for the record, I love both Brian's and Kurt's music. For
different reasons and some of the same reasons.
Curt, Portland, OR
Mankatt
>
>Just for the record, I love both Brian's and Kurt's music. For
>different reasons and some of the same reasons.
me too.....im glad im not the only one
al...@rev.net
>Fuck You asshole if you don't like Kurt Cobain get off the Nirvana newsgroup!
What if you like the rest of the band, but not him?
--Spud DuBoise <http://www.rev.net/~aloe/nirvana>
tre...@bellsouth.net
favorite is Dave anyway!
David Perle, The Fool On the Hill
just respond to these two posts and I won't even read the rest....
On 20 Sep 98 00:29:12 +0500, Dauber <dau...@megsinet.net> wrote:
>Don't EVER insult Brian Wilson -- or ANYONE -- by telling him -- or ANYONE
>-- that he -- or ANYONE -- has ever resembled that piece of shit who blew
>his brains out because he couldn't handle being a star...poor baby...could
So that's why you believe Kurt Cobain killed himself, huh? That's a
shame. You're wrong. But whatever, your mistaken opinions don't hurt
the world any...carry on...
David
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David Perle, The Fool On the Hill
wrote:
>Umm... what is there to respect? If you are fascinated by that worthless
>loser, you are the one who is ignorant and in need of a musical
Yes, Brian Wilson was an astounding father....a real icon for
humanity world-wide.... <sarcasm> Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying
that I think that Wilson's an evil person, I have little opinion about
him either way. He's a great musician, it's not like he had to rip
off every rock n' roll riff that Chuck Berry ever wrote....oh, wait a
second, he did....my mistake....
Gerry Ashley
this tired-ass topic any attention. Bottom line: BOTH artists tapped into
their respectiv generations from a musical standpoint. Cobain's stuff never
appealed to me. Simple reason: I'm in my '40s and don't relate to that
musical style. I think it sucks... So what? Some people my age thought his
stuff was OK. Some people in Cobain's generation appreciated Brian Wilson's
works. Some don't. So what? Each generation, generally speaking, grabs
onto their own "icons." My parents had Sinatra, Nat King Cole, Benny
Goodman, Ella Fitzgerald. Mine had The Beach Boys, The Doors, The Mama's
and Papas, The Rascals etc.
Yet I appreciated many of the older artists of my parent's generations while
they couldn't begin to understand Little Richard and The Troggs.
Get over it folks. Both Cobain and Wilson are Icons to their generations...
which one will be remembered longest seems pretty clear to me, but that's
from the perspective of someone in their '40s.
Cobain's death by suicide is tragic. It has nothing to do with his musical
accomplishments. It had plenty to do with his mental state which was, for
WHATEVER reason, screwed up.
Wilson nearly died himself from self-inflicted drug damage. Luckily, he
survived. Had he died, people would have most likely said the same thing:
"What an idiot! Why should we feel sorry for someone who had everything, yet
threw it all away?"
Folks, the big difference is, Wilson lived, Cobain died. Musically, people
will argue about their accomplishements as long as there are fans of either.
I will always be on the side that thinks Wilson is GOD compared to Cobain
when it comes to musical composition. I think there's sufficient data to
back it up. However, to dismiss Cobain completely is simply rediculous.
Anyone who, like Wilson in the '60s and Cobain in the '90s, can tap into
their respective generations has a unique talent. It should be acknowledged
as such whether you like his personal life or not.
My advice? Let Cobain rest in peace, let those who admired him do so
without further criticism. Let those who admire Brian Wilson's "long
strange trip" do so without further criticism. Find enjoyment in their
music where you can.
This pissing contest is a complete waste of time!
David Perle, The Fool On the Hill wrote in message
<363853a8....@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...
> Yes, I realize that this thread has been dead for weeks....I'll
>just respond to these two posts and I won't even read the rest....
>
>On 20 Sep 98 00:29:12 +0500, Dauber <dau...@megsinet.net> wrote:
>
>>Don't EVER insult Brian Wilson -- or ANYONE -- by telling him -- or ANYONE
>>-- that he -- or ANYONE -- has ever resembled that piece of shit who blew
>>his brains out because he couldn't handle being a star...poor baby...could
>
> So that's why you believe Kurt Cobain killed himself, huh? That's a
>shame. You're wrong. But whatever, your mistaken opinions don't hurt
>the world any...carry on...
>
Mjoann
> Yes, Brian Wilson was an astounding father....a real icon for
> humanity world-wide.... <sarcasm> Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying
> that I think that Wilson's an evil person, I have little opinion about
> him either way. He's a great musician, it's not like he had to rip
> off every rock n' roll riff that Chuck Berry ever wrote....oh, wait a
> second, he did....my mistake....
Two words... Pet Sounds.
If you know anything about music at all, you will get the point when you
hear this album. Get past the early surf crap.
Ian Clarke
Gerry Ashley wrote in message <70ucvc$8kj$1...@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
>I can't believe that people on both sides of this fence are still giving
>this tired-ass topic any attention. Bottom line: BOTH artists tapped into
>their respectiv generations from a musical standpoint
>This pissing contest is a complete waste of time!
Absolutely correct. The myth of Cobain completely passes me by and I don't
know why anyone would waste tim and space pursuing such a ludicrous analogy.
Its the music that counts and the 2 artistes shared no musical territory at
all.