Curt Cobain was nothing special
iamnotafool
If you look at the back of "Bleach" you will see that his name is spelled
Kurdt Kobain.
It was probably decided to make the name sound more English by changing
it to
Kurt Cobain
(yes, record-companies have that big influences on the artists)
S'pnky!
K.V. Quinn <pha...@leeds.ac.uk> wrote:
>In article <19950310140...@sp0367.kub.nl> wand...@nlnet.nl (iamnotafool) writes:
>>From: wand...@nlnet.nl (iamnotafool)
>>Subject: Re: Curt Cobain was nothing special
>>Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 14:07 MET
>
>> Curt (am I spelling his name right?
>>
>>If you look at the back of "Bleach" you will see that his name is spelled
>>
>>Kurdt Kobain.
>
>alt.music.nirvana?
>I think you'll find he was called Kurt Donald Cobain.
>Not Curt, Kurdt, Curdt or any "hilarious" variation on Cobain (such as
>Nobrain, ha ha, no, stop, please)
actually..i too had thought that it was a misprint or his original name..however if you read Azzerad's "Come as you are" you'll see that Kurt himself spelled
his name Kurdt .. just toying around I guess ..trying on different personas.
It's not only only spelt that way on the Bleach album either. Read the art credits for many of the artwork on the singles and you 'll see 'Kurdt Cobain' even as other credits on the same disc say 'Kurt' ..I think this shows that it was a deliberate act.
u
S
S
as>
>********************************************************
> O O Quinnybunny, the irritable.
> U pha...@south-02.novell.leeds.ac.uk
> '\_/' A song, a smile, and a sig too big
> *
Kurdt
You're wrong; he was something special. And if you look at the
back of the Bleach cover, he spelled his name, "Kurdt Kobain". The
correct spelling of his name (from his death certificate, which gets it
from his birth certificate) is "Kurt (Donald) Cobain." He spelled it
that way because he wanted to confuse people as to how to spell his name,
and thereby piss them off. Also, if you look on the back of the Bleach
cover, Jason Everman played on the album. He didn't have anything to do
with it. They included him to make him feel welcome, even though they
later got rid of him. Don't believe everything you read.
nis...@albnyvms.bitnet
you are wrong. Kurt never really wanted his identity to be really known. He
wanted to be like Black Francis, whom not many people know his correct name. It
had nothing to do with sounding more english. Hes not even english. Uninformed
guesses/generalazations are stupid. (i know i just made a gereralazation, but
thats okay just this once.)
stay after, stay before, Look for me as:
this is no good, go do more. Curmudgeon, Doolittle, Trickster
(if you care)
nis...@uacsc1.albany.edu
___ ___ ____ _____ ____ ___ __ ___ ___ __
I\\ I ll II ~\\ \\ / //\ I\\ l //\
l \\ l ll ll // \\ / // \ l \\ l // \
l \\ l ll lll\\ \\ / //____\ l \\ l //____\
I \\I II ll \\ | \\/ // \ I \\I // \
~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~' ~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~
"Amazes me the will of instinct"
- Kurt Cobain
Robert Vesalga
Excuse? If you're gonna dis one of the most influincial, most important
people who lived in this generation, you should at least have the
decency to spell his goddamn name right. And I think you are truly over the edgeif you honestly think that Kurt Cobain was nothing special. Because he was.
He was VERY special. And he influinced many people who were great enough to see
his true worth, as a person, as a musician, as a writer, as everything he was
And I think that if you really think that what you have posted is true, then
I can only say to you that you are truly wrong. And I think that you should
re-evaluate what you have said....I'm not saying that you have to like his
music, or that you have to like anything about him....I'm just saying maybe
you should think about what you said....because his music, his words, his
poetry, his life, and his being has affected the world alot more than you
realize. And I hope that someday that changes.
--
Bob
.
.
/\ "The Guide To Home Building
/ \ For The Owner/Builder"
_____/ \\______ email____ r...@compumedia.com
=-=-=-=-=-
Eu-Ming Lee
>Kev <lhuc...@reading.ac.uk>:
>| ... play three chords ....
>Hey, another one! Damn, these guys are not only _witty_,
>but _original_.
I wish they'd tell me *which* three chords. I have no talent. I could
be rich and famous, too!
Ming
--
Eu-Ming Lee eum...@netcom.com mi...@interaccess.com
Ming is dumber than his computer, but also smarter.
David Lohmeyer
>
>In article <19950310140...@sp0367.kub.nl>, wand...@nlnet.nl
(iamnotafool) writes:
>> Curt (am I spelling his name right?
>>
>>If you look at the back of "Bleach" you will see that his name is
spelled
>>
>>Kurdt Kobain.
>>
>>It was probably decided to make the name sound more English by
changing
>>it to
>>
>>Kurt Cobain
>>
>>(yes, record-companies have that big influences on the artists)
Damn, that is wrong. Kurt thought it was humorous to change the
spelling of his name around from album to album.
...Dave
PDA PhilT
On the 10" vinyl the "Priest" they called him, it has his signature
pressed (along with Burroughs) and it says Kurtis Donald Cohbaine, and
it's in his arty handwriting, maybe if I saw my name plastered about the
world, I'd sign it different too, jus for kicks
_Phil Torrone
Feel Time Roam<--see I did it too
Kev
On 17 Mar 1995, Gordon Fitch wrote:
> Kev <lhuc...@reading.ac.uk>:
> | ... play three chords ....
>
> Hey, another one! Damn, these guys are not only _witty_,
> but _original_.
>
It's just such a same that it is true though, and all of you who try to
defend Captain Talentless are not only _sad_, but have _no_ lives.
Kev.
Gordon Fitch
gcf:
| > Hey, another one! Damn, these guys are not only _witty_,
| > but _original_.
Kev <lhuc...@reading.ac.uk>:
| It's just such a same that it is true though, and all of you who try to
| defend Captain Talentless are not only _sad_, but have _no_ lives.
Wow! _Another_ astonishingly original gibe! Want to go for
_three_, Kev? How about running a variation of "get a clue"?
After all, if Captain Talentless could play three chords,
you ought to be able to come up with three astonishingly
original gibes!
--
>< Gordon Fitch >< g...@panix.com ><
Delilah Alexander
If that's what you mean, then at least have the decency to spell his name
right. K-U-R-T.
-Delilah
Draxx the Master
Why don't YOU learn to spell it right ? He spelled it K-U-R-D-T.
DRAXX @;-{
=========================================================================
== "Don't you snarl at me,===============================================
==== you diesel dyke ! ======== Some people call me "Mike", ======
====== It's not my fuckin' fault ====== and some call me "Draxx"....====
======== men run the world !" ====== But you can call me "Master".=
========== Tesco Vee (of the MEATMEN) =================================
=========================================================================
Jeff Davis
Master <mas...@char.vnet.net> writes:
>
>On 19 Mar 1995, Delilah Alexander wrote:
>> If that's what you mean, then at least have the decency to spell his
name
>> right. K-U-R-T.
>> -Delilah
>
> Why don't YOU learn to spell it right ? He spelled it K-U-R-D-T.
>
> DRAXX @;-{
It is officially Kurt. He spelled it Kurdt just for fun after an inside
joke from a compilation they were on. The company didn't know how to
spell his name so they asked someone who "thought" they knew. His name
was printed in the album as "Kurdt".
>
>=======================================================================
kgu...@aed.org
: Kev <lhuc...@reading.ac.uk>:
: | ... play three chords ....
: Hey, another one! Damn, these guys are not only _witty_,
: but _original_.
Uhh....perhaps"_witty_" and/or "_original_" isn't what we are going for.
Try accurate.
geneyus
Sad is when people cling to the past so rigidly. Lennon died years
and years ago and there have been a wealth of writers since the
Beatles. Cobain picked up the ball and ran. Whether or not you
believe he wrote as well is your opinion. What Cobain may have lacked
in talent (?) he more than made up for with heart and integrity. Oh,
and please spare me the "Where's the integrity in suicide" post. I
read that one already.
Rape me...Geneyus.
William R Herndon
Robert Vesalga <r...@compumedia.com> wrote:
>
>Excuse? If you're gonna dis one of the most influincial, most important
>people who lived in this generation, you should at least have the
>decency to spell his goddamn name right. And I think you are truly over the edgeif you honestly think that Kurt Cobain was nothing special. Because he was.
>He was VERY special. And he influinced many people who were great enough to see
Hmmm...Well, I've finally got to weigh in on this debate. I *do* think
that Cobain and Nirvana will stand the test of time, but compared to
many of their contemporaries (other so called "grunge" bands), I don't
think that Kurt and his bandmates were great musicians. Yes, they had
excellent, insightful songs, but many bands make better *music*. Kurt
Cobain's great strength was that he was a masterful lyricist. Nobody
could skewer a subject like Cobain, and this from a person who usually
pays more attention the music. Cobain made me sit up and take notice.
- Bill
| William Herndon \ MITRE, Secure Information Technology Dept. |
| wher...@mitre.org \ MS-Z231, 703.883.6393 |
| |
| "We have entered the era of trickle-down compassion" - Rev. F.Chruch |
| Me? Speak for MITRE? Bwahahahahaahahahahah!!!! |
Doug Horne
Well, if you're going to claim accuracy, I can point out many places
where Nirvana used more than 3 chords.... now, using the "three chords"
argument to impy that Nirvana's songs were simple would be pretty valid,
but saying that they actually used three chords would be incorrect. So, I
tried "accurate" (as you suggested), and it don't fit. Of course, if
we're going to evaluate music by the number of chords, that puts Glenn
Branca and Rhys Chatham right at the bottom of the barrel, and that's
nowhere near right, either. It's also worth pointing out that this whole
argument is incredibly boring (or did you notice).
By the way, by the sheer volume of posts on the subject it has become
clear that Mr. Cobain was, indeed, something special (or at least
something worthy of incessant droning).
Draxx the Master
> Draxx the Master <mas...@char.vnet.net> writes:
> >On 19 Mar 1995, Delilah Alexander wrote:
> >> If that's what you mean, then at least have the decency to spell his
> name
> >> right. K-U-R-T.
> >> -Delilah
> >
> > Why don't YOU learn to spell it right ? He spelled it K-U-R-D-T.
> >
> > DRAXX @;-{
>
> It is officially Kurt. He spelled it Kurdt just for fun after an inside
> joke from a compilation they were on. The company didn't know how to
> spell his name so they asked someone who "thought" they knew. His name
> was printed in the album as "Kurdt".
Who the hell cares anyway ? He's dead. Get a sense of humor.
DRAXX @;-{
=========================================================================
an...@in.net
FTP sites or special newsgroups about Nails tell me.
Thanks,
an...@in.net
John
>
SNIP SNIP SNIP SNIP SNIP
> Who the hell cares anyway ? He's dead. Get a sense of humor.
>
> DRAXX @;-{
>
Most of these nirvana nuts are Humor-Impaired. This is the politically
correct term for idiot.
John
madisonmadisonmadison
they become so great. suddenly kurt cobain has heart and integrity. come
on, he sat on a stage and moaned for millions of dollars then blew his
brains out, leaving behind a poor baby that's gonna be raised by a trashy
blond widow. i can't find the heart and integrity in there, sorry -maddy
madisonmadisonmadison
"he's the one who likes all our pretty songs and he likes to sing
along..." yes your right, this is what comes to my mind when i think
_insightful_ get a life, with a role model like kurt "bang my brains out"
cobain, yo obviously need one
Gordon Fitch
| : | ... play three chords ....
Gordon Fitch (g...@panix.com) wrote:
| : Hey, another one! Damn, these guys are not only _witty_,
| : but _original_.
kgu...@aed.org ():
| Uhh....perhaps"_witty_" and/or "_original_" isn't what we are going for.
| Try accurate.
How about irrelevant, if true? Or are you another one of
the believers in the number-of-chords theory of musical
quality?
--
>< Gordon Fitch >< g...@panix.com ><
Gordon Fitch
| Well, if you're going to claim accuracy, I can point out many places
| where Nirvana used more than 3 chords....
Hey, don't confuse them with the facts. They're having
enough trouble already.
--
>< Gordon Fitch >< g...@panix.com ><
Jeff Davis
madisonmadisonmadison <bla...@gladstone.uoregon.edu> writes:
>
>"polly wanna cracker, think i should get off her first" no, how bout
>"he's the one who likes all our pretty songs and he likes to sing
>along..." yes your right, this is what comes to my mind when i think
>_insightful_ get a life, with a role model like kurt "bang my brains
out"
>cobain, yo obviously need one
>
Hey, if you're not smart enough to understand the Lyrics, don't blame
Kurt by any means.
David Lohmeyer
>>
>It's just such a same that it is true though, and all of you who try to
>defend Captain Talentless are not only _sad_, but have _no_ lives.
>
> Kev.
Uh, excuse me...let me get this straight. Okay, we're on
"alt.music.nirvana". Right? And the Nirvana fans who post here have no
life. Right? Yet YOUR the one who is posting insults, babble,
whatever you want to call it to a newsgroup of a band you don't like.
Okay, now I understand...
...Dave
David Lohmeyer
Master <mas...@char.vnet.net> writes:
>
>On 19 Mar 1995, Delilah Alexander wrote:
>> If that's what you mean, then at least have the decency to spell his
name
>> right. K-U-R-T.
>> -Delilah
>
> Why don't YOU learn to spell it right ? He spelled it K-U-R-D-T.
>
> DRAXX @;-{
Draxx, it's KURT.
...Dave
David Lohmeyer
writes:
Or John, did you ever think that maybe YOUR just humorless?
...Dave
David Lohmeyer
madisonmadisonmadison <bla...@gladstone.uoregon.edu> writes:
>
>some one please clue me in... why is it that as soon as somebody dies,
>they become so great. suddenly kurt cobain has heart and integrity.
come
>on, he sat on a stage and moaned for millions of dollars then blew his
>brains out, leaving behind a poor baby that's gonna be raised by a
trashy
>blond widow. i can't find the heart and integrity in there, sorry
-maddy
You don't know how people feel about Kurt, or when they began
feeling it. I've always felt Kurt had "heart and integrity". Your
obviously pretty ignorant not to mention closed minded, so why even try
to explain that Kurt was clinically depressed. And who the fuck are you
to call Courtney a trashy blond widow. Fuck you.
...Dave
chickey monkey
>never heard of John Lennon!.
"I wanna hold your hand...I wanna hold your hand...I wanna hold your
hand..." What's that? I'm being unfair? That was only one small quote
from one song? Well it looks like I'm some kind of motherfucker who doesn't
know what he's talking about...
David
Lysergic
value because there have been and still are bands that can play music
better than Nirvana. but Nirvana was able to send a message through
their music that everyone in society could find something in.
Ppl have mentioned their heart and integrity and you can
definetly see that if you have gone to see them live of seen a tape of them.
Then again that is only my opinion I may be wrong.
madisonmadisonmadison
On 20 Mar 1995, Jeff Davis wrote:
OK if I'm so darn stupid, why don't you enlighten me, read between the
lines for me, and if you find something beautiful and meaningful about
it, tell me, I'm willing to listen...
PAUL CHAHAL
There is alt.music nin
Jason
monkey 100
blah, blah, integrity, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blew his brains out, blah, blah, blah, blah, talentless, blah, blah, blah,
blah, stupid, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, baby, blah, blah, blah,
blah, whore, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, eat shit, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, fuck you, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, get a life, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, moron, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
songwriter, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, Green Day sucks!, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, can't play guitar, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, eat shit, blah, blah blah, blah, blah,
blah, fuck you, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...
life? heck yeah--I'll have one please! where do I sign? oh, and could I get
some fries with that?
Thank You
ted
Draxx the Master
> Draxx the Master <mas...@char.vnet.net> writes:
> >
> > Why don't YOU learn to spell it right ? He spelled it K-U-R-D-T.
>
That's not the way he spelled it.
David Lohmeyer
Master <mas...@char.vnet.net> writes:
>
>On 20 Mar 1995, David Lohmeyer wrote:
>> Draxx the Master <mas...@char.vnet.net> writes:
>> >
>> > Why don't YOU learn to spell it right ? He spelled it K-U-R-D-T.
>>
>> Draxx, it's KURT.
>
> That's not the way he spelled it.
>
> DRAXX @;-{
>
I didn't want to say this again, as this would be about the 10th
time. But anyway, Kurt thought it was humorous to change the spelling
of his name from album to album.
...Dave
>
>
>
>
Joseph Betz
>dho...@uoguelph.ca (Doug Horne):
>| Well, if you're going to claim accuracy, I can point out many places
>| where Nirvana used more than 3 chords....
>Hey, don't confuse them with the facts. They're having
>enough trouble already.
As the time-honored expression goes: "An interesting fantasy. Got any
others?"
--
| Josep...@mixcom.com | "I have lots of sympathy for the male mink. |
| | They are big, they are mean, they fuck alot. |
| Wisconsin: Behind the | If they could ride Harleys they would have |
| Cheese Curtain | it made." - Julian Macassey |
John
Don't forget your employee discount.
John
John
>
BIG SNIP
>
And who the fuck are you
> to call Courtney a trashy blond widow. Fuck you.
>
> ...Dave
Yeah stop calling her a trash blond widow. She also a scuz ball dyke.
Next time get it correct.
John
>
>SNIP
> > Why don't YOU learn to spell it right ? He spelled it K-U-R-D-T.
> >
> > DRAXX @;-{
>
>
> Draxx, it's KURT.
>
> ...Dave
>
>
Let just call him that DEAD guy. I think we all can agree on that.
I was nice this time. I did not say let us call him Drug boy or loser, or
Mr. Marksman and all his other names.
Kurt, Kurdt, Curt, you are now that DEAD guy.
John
Tonny Mortensen
> On 17 Mar 1995, Gordon Fitch wrote:
> > Kev <lhuc...@reading.ac.uk>:
> > | ... play three chords ....
> >
> > Hey, another one! Damn, these guys are not only _witty_,
> > but _original_.
> >
> It's just such a same that it is true though, and all of you who try to
ehhh...show me/tell me about ONE song....just one song by Nirvana
with just 3 chords in it....anyway the number of chords are
irrelevant, it's how you play them and put them together that
counts. Do you play guitar? No, I didn't think so.
> defend Captain Talentless are not only _sad_, but have _no_ lives.
I feel rather happy right now as a matter of fact, and I haven't
noticed until I saw your post that I was dead...hmm I must
be getting myself to the doctor.
best wishes
Tonny/Woodoo
Doug Horne
bunch of people who have no lives? Looks like you've devoted more effort
to this than anyone else.....
monkey 100 (tm...@mailserv.mta.ca) wrote:
: blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
: Thank You
: ted
--
==========================================================================
Doug Horne Vladimir: Well, shall we go?
McLaughlin Library Estragon: Yes, let's go.
University of Guelph [They do not move]
Guelph, Ontario
==========================================================================
Aaron Mandel
Distribution:
an...@in.net (an...@in.net) wrote:
: If anyone is in to Nine Inch Nails, e-mail me. If there are any
: FTP sites or special newsgroups about Nails tell me.
Nine Inch Nails? Who the hell is that? If there's one thing I'm sick of,
it's all these alternative geeks who make up bands that nobody has ever
heard of just so they can seem cool. Even if this 'Nine Inch Nails' band
does exist, I bet they're some awful local bar band. You sure aren't
going to find anybody who likes them here.
Green Day rocks!
Aaron
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
In the stereo: The Fall, "Cerebral Caustic"; Guided By Voices, "Bee
Thousand"; Archers of Loaf, "Vee Vee"; The Caulfields, "whirligig";
Magnetic Fields, "Distant Plastic Trees/The Wayward Bus". --;--;-@
Doug Horne
: >dho...@uoguelph.ca (Doug Horne):
: >| Well, if you're going to claim accuracy, I can point out many places
: >| where Nirvana used more than 3 chords....
: >Hey, don't confuse them with the facts. They're having
: >enough trouble already.
: As the time-honored expression goes: "An interesting fantasy. Got any
: others?"
Now, Joe, if you don't have time to respond with something really good,
we'll understand if there's a bit of a delay... don't rush your answers,
sit back and think, and then come up with something really rude... we
have come to expect better from you, and hope that you will live up to
those expectations in the future.
Now, try again.
madisonmadisonmadison
On 20 Mar 1995, David Lohmeyer wrote:
gee, i love you too, calm down it really is ok. ya know i used to think
that nirvana was pretty cool. i really liked nevermind. but, i just don't
think that kurt is soem great hero who defined our generation or
something. if he is, i'm in the wrong generation. i can say two good
things about kurt: 1-he proved that money does not make you happy and
2-he played pretty decent music. but, i lost all respect for the guy when
he killed himself, that's just not cool, whether you're clinically
depressed or not. it's cool if you like nirvana, but how can anyone think
that kurt cobain was all that special, if you wanna find someone special
look in a history book and find someone who really made a difference. and
come on, do you know these people? who the fuck are you to call courtney _not_ a trashy blond widow? if you saw her on the
street, you'd probably think the same thing, just cuz she was married to
the allmighty doesn't make her anything but stupid. - maddy
Gordon Fitch
| : >| Well, if you're going to claim accuracy, I can point out many places
| : >| where Nirvana used more than 3 chords....
gcf:
| : >Hey, don't confuse them with the facts. They're having
| : >enough trouble already.
Joseph Betz (Josep...@mixcom.com) wrote:
| : As the time-honored expression goes: "An interesting fantasy. Got any
| : others?"
What's this, the echolalia? Already?
--
>< Gordon Fitch >< g...@panix.com ><
David W. Perle
David W. Perle
David W. Perle
message posted to a newsgroup....that happened twice tonight, and this time
I was able to catch where they are, so following are two notes under this
subject that didn't get posted originally for one reason or another:
>"polly wanna cracker, think i should get off her first" no, how bout
>"he's the one who likes all our pretty songs and he likes to sing
>along..." yes your right, this is what comes to my mind when i think
>_insightful_ get a life, with a role model like kurt "bang my brains out"
>cobain, yo obviously need one
Silly me, and those are included in what I believe to be some of his
better lyrics! For the first one, do you have any idea what the song
represents??? It's about the rape of a real girl named Polly. "Polly wants
a cracker; I think I should get off her first. Maybe she wants some water;
to put out the blow torch." It's metaphoric. It gives the impression, sort
of, being about a bird, but it goes much further than that.
And the second lyric that you said....one of my fuckin' favorites! It
totally represents the man's music and what he stood for! "He's the one who
likes all the pretty songs, and he likes to sing along, and he likes to
shoot his gun, but he knows not what it means." Brilliant! It's like all
of the racist & homophobic Nirvana fans out there, who make up a great part
of those fans who Kurt hated! At least when stupid people constantly bring
up the line, "I wish I could eat your cancer when it turns black," I can
somewhat understand they're trouble. Guess they failed the part of their
English classes where they were supposed to have been taught about
metaphors.
Hey; if you want lyrics that are easy to understand, go listen to Michael
Bolton! His lyrics are VERY easy to understand! VERY straight-forward!
David
David W. Perle
other people want to post on that day. It WOULD be cool, in my opinion, if
people would keep the newsgroup silent on that day, but a lot of readers
have different things in mind, so I think the best thing is to just do
whatever you want in your own way. For most of us, we all mourned his death
alone anyway. I did. I watched MTV from 5-9 in the evening on that Friday,
April 8th. I ran across the hall to type people about the news that I had
just learned, but other than that I was basically in my room the whole time.
Perhaps I also went to the bathroom once or twice as well...All I know is
that at 9 o'clock I left my room to go to the kitchen and make my cheff
boyaredee raviolli in the microwave, and I put on the X-Files. By that time
MTV had been repeating things over and over again anyway...yep. Twas about
5 o'clock in the evening, my mom was getting dinner ready, and I put on MTV
to check out whatever was on the daily call-in countdown, and I see the end
of of Smells Like Teen Spirit instead. (A denial...a denial...a denial...)
I had no idea what was going on. Next thing I know I see Kurt Loder come
on, not looking very happy, saying how they're dedicating the hour (what
turned out to be more than just an hour...) "to the late Kurt Cobain", who
was found dead earlier the day...holy shit. I went to my room after that.
My mom always thought that he was pretty stupid to have mixed those
narcotics with champaigne the month before. Now we know that he wasn't
exactly so stupid...well, I've babbled enough. Told the story a number of
times...
David
"I'd rather be dead than cool." KURT D COBAIN 1967-1994
Alexandra R. Tipei
I think in some interview Kurt said Polly was about the
kiddnaping and beating/rape of a fourteen year old girl.
Friends with KOOLAID GIRL
--
PeácecPeáce¬ Ìoöe¬ Åíðátèù¬ Gõíâi
×èeî É çet wèát É wáît¬ É îeöer wáît it áçáiî.-Ã. Ìoöe-Ãoâáiî
×èo elóe coõlä loöe õó îowiîç õó áó we ëîow eácè otèer?-Aîî Òice
Ìife will ço oî to ço îowere- Kiróteî P.S. ðõt óoíe floweró oî Alçerîoîó
Joseph Betz
>Joseph Betz (Josep...@mixcom.com) wrote:
>: >dho...@uoguelph.ca (Doug Horne):
>: >| Well, if you're going to claim accuracy, I can point out many places
>: >| where Nirvana used more than 3 chords....
>: >Hey, don't confuse them with the facts. They're having
>: >enough trouble already.
>: As the time-honored expression goes: "An interesting fantasy. Got any
>: others?"
>Now, Joe, if you don't have time to respond with something really good,
>we'll understand if there's a bit of a delay... don't rush your answers,
>sit back and think, and then come up with something really rude... we
>have come to expect better from you, and hope that you will live up to
>those expectations in the future.
Sorry, but the quote was a bit of an inside thing between Gordon and
alt.music.nirvana. He uses that line about thirty or forty times a week,
when he can't think of anything better. I decided that his little
projection trip about how bloody illogical Nirvana-bashers were just wasn't
worth much, but I *did* manage to get in a little dig. Hell, not EVERY post
has to be a thermonuclear flame, does it?
>Now, try again.
<Saluting> Suh, yes Suh!
Joseph Betz
[mucho yadda]
> Hey; if you want lyrics that are easy to understand, go listen to Michael
>Bolton! His lyrics are VERY easy to understand! VERY straight-forward!
The LAST person on the face of the earth that I want to defend musically is
Michael Bolton. However, since most of his shit is covers of some fairly
decent old tunes, you can't rightly blame any songwriting simplicity on him.
Personally, I hope he gets a malignant tumor in his brain, and his head
explodes onstage, showering his fans (who are fanatical droolers on an
almost Cobainian level) with what passes for his grey matter, as the
increased intracranial pressure causes his skull-cap to explode.
PERSONAL NOTE: Is that better, Doug?
David Lohmeyer
>look in a history book and find someone who really made a difference.
and
>come on, do you know these people? who the fuck are you to call
courtney _not_ a trashy blond widow? if you saw her on the
>street, you'd probably think the same thing, just cuz she was married
to
>the allmighty doesn't make her anything but stupid. - maddy
To many people, Kurt "really made a difference". Just because
he didn't do so for you, doesn't mean he didn't for others. Calling
someone a "trashy blond widow" is a pretty harsh judgement to make when
you don't even know someone, and probably feel that way for ignorant
reasons. Because, unlike you I do not think of Courtney as just the
widow of Kurt Cobain, she is a talented artist in her own right.
...Dave
Kev
God that makes me laugh.
Buy Sgt. Pepper, listern and learn.
Kev.
Stewart King
David Perle (dpe...@delphi.com) wrote:
: > "I wanna hold your hand...I wanna hold your hand...I wanna hold your
: > hand..." What's that? I'm being unfair? That was only one small quote
: > from one song? Well it looks like I'm some kind of motherfucker who
: > doesn't know what he's talking about...
Kev (lhuc...@reading.ac.uk) spake:
: God that makes me laugh.
: Buy Sgt. Pepper, listern and learn.
: Kev.
And here I thought it was the Nirvana fans who were supposed to be stupid.
Wheee. <bark>
-Stewart King
isn't stupid
PS: The Hidden Meaning of David's Post Unveiled:
<sound of thousands of breaths saying to their lovers "sometimes I just
want to be held">
<sound of thousands of breaths being held>
Buy Nevermind. Or at least Unplugged. Listen and learn.
GOLLY, that sounds familiar.
<sound of thousands of breaths having passionate sex>
CAWhelchel
<Josep...@mixcom.com> writes:
>
>In <9503212101591...@delphi.com> dpe...@delphi.com (David W.
Perle) writes:
>
>[mucho yadda]
[snipped for reasons of brevity]
[stuff about Michael Bolton's music]
>
>Personally, I hope he gets a malignant tumor in his brain, and his head
>explodes onstage, showering his fans (who are fanatical droolers on an
>almost Cobainian level) with what passes for his grey matter, as the
>increased intracranial pressure causes his skull-cap to explode.
>
Whoa. If that *really* did happen, there'd be a bunch of old chicks up
on the stage trying to get a piece of Michaels grey matter as a
souvenir. Then it would be (written) on tee-shirts everywhere:
"I Saw Michael's Head Explode and all I Got Was This Stupid T-Shirt"
Cheryl
--
Reality's the only obstacle to happiness.
euph...@ix.netcom.com
Upgraded to Super Etch-A-Sketch Technology
geneyus
want to jump in the deep end. You go so far as to criticize Courtney's
ability to raise her kid and chastise this other guy for defending her.
Then you say the classic "you don't know her line" as a means of
backing up your defence. Well, you're making the exact same judgement
calls based on her appearance. I'm all for opinion, but pick one and go
with it. Don't fan the flames just to try and blow them out when it
gets too hot.
Now as for your comments, previous or otherwise, on Cobain's lifestyle
remember, he's the only one who knows what it was like to live his life
(no shit). "Oh, he did too many drugs. He's a loser...he killed
himself", cried the l'il miss sweet-teen in the nevermind t-shirt. Who
cares? He made choices based on what he saw. His suicide note should
have shown you that. He was confused, but that in no way makes him
a drugged out loser. I hope noone in your family or, God help them,
your friends have problems like this. I'm sure they won't find
compassion or a sympathetic ear with you.
Cobain wrote music based solely on experiences and I would much rather
have had the heroin-juiced junky who wrote classics like "Smells like
teen spirit" ("Gasp...he thinks that's a cool song. It's, like, so
UNcool now!), "On a plain", and "Frances Farmer will have her revenge
on Seattle", than the cookies-and-milk songs the likes of Hootie and
the Blowfish. So please spare all the rest of us free thinkers the
D.A.R.E speeches and Nancy Reagan-sloganisms.
I'm on a plain...I can't complain...Geneyus.
geneyus
God not another flagship under the command of Sgt. Pepper. Why not
suggest something outside of the blatantly obvious? An artist can't
be called great on the basis of one album. I would suggest listening
to Abbey Road or The Magical Mystery Tour if you want to turn people
on to his brilliance. My disclaimer, though: It's great to honour
the past, but there is a future to music that lies beyond John Lennon
and Kurt Cobain ("did I spell it right, dear"). They're both gone, but
they sure left us something to listen to.
Hey, Hey, My, My...Geneyus...will never die.
Nature Boy
> some one please clue me in... why is it that as soon as somebody dies,
> they become so great.
Two words: The Media
--
He's a product of his culture even as he rejects its values ...
Nature Boy
In article <9503201802591...@delphi.com>, dpe...@delphi.com (chickey monkey) writes:
> >I guess all you people that think he is the best songwriter ever have
> >never heard of John Lennon!.
>
> "I wanna hold your hand...I wanna hold your hand...I wanna hold your
> hand..." What's that? I'm being unfair? That was only one small quote
> from one song? Well it looks like I'm some kind of motherfucker who doesn't
> know what he's talking about...
I haven't followed this one at all really (since most of it is inane chatter anyways...) but I have to respond to this one..
Keep in mind that when John and co. wrote that stuff, the music industry was a
hell of a lot different than it is today... without all of that poppy catchy
stuff, the Beatles wouldn't have been giving the free reign they needed to
produce Sgt Pepper ... they were the first group to really write their own
material ...
I personally think it's a waste of time trying to decide who the best writer
was or is.... just enjoy!
Doug Horne
: alt.music.nirvana.
Hold on, just a minute..... you actually read alt.music.nirvana?
You're sicker than I thought.
--
ROCKRGRL
>
> I'm all for the no-posting thing on April 8th, but it's no big deal if
> other people want to post on that day. It WOULD be cool, in my opinion, if
> people would keep the newsgroup silent on that day, but a lot of readers
> have different things in mind, so I think the best thing is to just do
> whatever you want in your own way. For most of us, we all mourned his death
> alone anyway. I did. I watched MTV from 5-9 in the evening on that Friday,
> April 8th.
etc.
>
not to split hairs here, but the actual date of his death was April 5.
His body was discovered on the 8th.
ROCKRGRL
> other people want to post on that day. It WOULD be cool, in my opinion, if
> people would keep the newsgroup silent on that day, but a lot of readers
> have different things in mind, so I think the best thing is to just do
> whatever you want in your own way. For most of us, we all mourned his death
> alone anyway. I did. I watched MTV from 5-9 in the evening on that Friday,
> April 8th.
etc.
Gordon Fitch
| >: >| Well, if you're going to claim accuracy, I can point out many places
| >: >| where Nirvana used more than 3 chords....
gcf:
| >: >Hey, don't confuse them with the facts. They're having
| >: >enough trouble already.
Joseph Betz (Josep...@mixcom.com) wrote:
| >: As the time-honored expression goes: "An interesting fantasy. Got any
| >: others?"
dho...@uoguelph.ca (Doug Horne) writes:
| >Now, Joe, if you don't have time to respond with something really good,
| >we'll understand if there's a bit of a delay... don't rush your answers,
| >sit back and think, and then come up with something really rude... we
| >have come to expect better from you, and hope that you will live up to
| >those expectations in the future.
Joseph Betz <Josep...@mixcom.com>:
| Sorry, but the quote was a bit of an inside thing between Gordon and
| alt.music.nirvana. He uses that line about thirty or forty times a week,
| when he can't think of anything better. ...
Wow, you do have some kind of problem. Thirty or forty? I
used the word "fantasy" twice, on March 5 and March 16, if
you don't count March 20 where I make fun of _your_
echolalic use of the phrase.
The inside of your skull must have remarkable reflective
qualities if everything you hear and read bounces thirty or
forty times.
--
>< Gordon Fitch >< g...@panix.com ><
Gordon Fitch
| > >... he sat on a stage and moaned for millions of dollars then blew his
| > trashy
| > >blond widow. i can't find the heart and integrity in there, sorry
???:
| > ... And who the fuck are you
| > to call Courtney a trashy blond widow. ...
madisonmadisonmadison <bla...@gladstone.uoregon.edu>:
| come on, do you know these people? who the fuck are you to call
| courtney _not_ a trashy blond widow? if you saw her on the
| street, you'd probably think the same thing, just cuz she was married to
| the allmighty doesn't make her anything but stupid.
What exactly is a "trashy blond widow" and why is it bad?
Also, what do you know about this particular one's
intellectual accomplishments?
--
>< Gordon Fitch >< g...@panix.com ><
Joseph Betz
>>Personally, I hope he gets a malignant tumor in his brain, and his head
>>explodes onstage, showering his fans (who are fanatical droolers on an
>>almost Cobainian level) with what passes for his grey matter, as the
>>increased intracranial pressure causes his skull-cap to explode.
>Whoa. If that *really* did happen, there'd be a bunch of old chicks up
>on the stage trying to get a piece of Michaels grey matter as a
>souvenir. Then it would be (written) on tee-shirts everywhere:
They could scoop it up with the panties they were gonna throw at him.
Imagine what the screen printing on THOSE would read.
>"I Saw Michael's Head Explode and all I Got Was This Stupid T-Shirt"
And the best laugh of my life.
Joseph Betz
>: Sorry, but the quote was a bit of an inside thing between Gordon and
>: alt.music.nirvana.
>Hold on, just a minute..... you actually read alt.music.nirvana?
I have to. Do you realize how much fucking garbage there is alt
alt.music.alternative that has NOTHING to do with flaming?
It's too collossal a waste of time to read that group, so I scan it for
Courtney or Cobain posts to play with. Here, I have a much wider variety.
>You're sicker than I thought.
You never *have* given me the credit I deserve, you know.
Denise Angeloni
: In article <19950310140...@sp0367.kub.nl>, wand...@nlnet.nl
: > (i am not a fool) writes:
: > Curt (am I spelling his name right?
: >If you look at the back of "Bleach" you will see that his name is spelled
: >Kurdt Kobain.
: >It was probably decided to make the name sound more English by changing
: >it to Kurt Cobain
: you are wrong. Kurt never really wanted his identity to be really known. He
: wanted to be like Black Francis, [... much clipped]
Actually, it was mispelled on a compilation to which they had
contributed (sorry if i'm bursting your bubble). The people
putting together the compilation couldn't remember his name,
so they spelled it like that. These people never bothered to
get a contract made up for the song -- (i can't remember which
one it was-either Mexican Seafood or Hairspray Queen) and thus
abandoned their royalty rights for it -- they never thought
Nirvana would get anywhere.
denise.
--
__________________________________________________________________________
denise angeloni <> as soon as i think of something worth
bb...@freenet.toronto.on.ca <> putting in this space, i will.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
David W. Perle
>> >never heard of John Lennon!.
>>
>> "I wanna hold your hand...I wanna hold your hand...I wanna hold your
>> hand..." What's that? I'm being unfair? That was only one small quote
>> from one song? Well it looks like I'm some kind of motherfucker who
>> doesn't know what he's talking about...
>
>Buy Sgt. Pepper, listern and learn.
Kev, read over my last sentence. Obviously the Beatles were a great
group (still are...depending on how you look at it), and they were very good
song-writers. I used one example from one song, to "prove" that John Lennon
(really, I don't even know how much of the song he wrote, if any of it)
couldn't write music. I like the Beatles. Heck, who doesn't???? That
original note was not to show any disrespect to any of the Beatles, but to
show that not everything someone writes has to be a brillaint literary work
to make the person a great musician.
David
Elissa Feit
madisonmadisonmadison <bla...@gladstone.uoregon.edu> wrote:
>
>On 20 Mar 1995, Jeff Davis wrote:
>
>> In <Pine.SOL.3.91.95032...@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
>>
>> >
>> >"polly wanna cracker, think i should get off her first" no, how bout
>> >"he's the one who likes all our pretty songs and he likes to sing
>> >along..." yes your right, this is what comes to my mind when i think
>> >_insightful_ get a life, with a role model like kurt "bang my brains
>> out"
>> >cobain, yo obviously need one
>> >
>> Kurt by any means.
>>
>>
>OK if I'm so darn stupid, why don't you enlighten me, read between the
>lines for me, and if you find something beautiful and meaningful about
>it, tell me, I'm willing to listen...
Polly wants a cracker
About a rape victim named Polly. The line might mean that her abuser
(the song's protagonist) initially sees her as a mere pet, a parrot
without a consciousness. Perhaps Cobain's pointing out a belief that
if an abuser really thought of his/her target as a conscious being,
abuse would cease to exist.
I think I should get off her first.
The abuser feels some pang of remorse, an awareness of his victim's
needs.
The chords: Em, G, D, C, create a sense of despair and alienation, by
starting with the relative minor (creating a bleak mood), and moving from G
to D back down to C. The movement through the tonic (Em and G) to the
dominant (D) could give a very positive and powerful sense to the song,
except the D is reached on the top of the second measure, which is a very
weak spot. Cobain chose instead to move to the much weaker subdominant C in
the end of the (strong) 2nd measure, leaving us with a feeling of
unfulfillment (which is the song's theme).
Next: (In Bloom)
He's the one who likes all our pretty songs
And he likes to sing along,
and he likes to shoot his gun
But he don't know what it means
I'm not sure what you don't get about this. Cobain talked about a
number of heavy topics: abuse, angst. He was politically motivated and
aware. I think "In Bloom" has several meanings. First, it seems to refer to
the fanboy mentality which worships a musician without knowing what the
musician's about. (Last year I went to see Smashing Pumkins at the height
of their fandom, and there were people yelling at Corgan to shut up. If one
respect a man for his music, why would one disrespect him as a person? I
think this is one defn. of "poseur".)
I think the second meaning might be as follows: "likes to shoot his
gun, but he don't know what it means" might be saying that Cobain has
some concept of the spiritual nature of sex/love, and the fanboy is
oblivious to this (and likes sex, but abuses it). If this is so, then
he's referring to your fanboy who goes to Hole concerts and sticks his
finger where Courtney didn't invite it.
The chords to the chorus are Bb Gm repeated a number of times under "he's
the one...likes to shoot his gun". Very catchy, straight-ahead rock'n'roll
ballad, there. The tonic to the relative minor. Underneath "don't know
what it means", they play C to Eb which starts with a very open sound (the
V of V) into the Eb, creating quite a dissonance under the word "means".
Krist plays a high Eb followed by the Db and Bb in the Eb7 chord, adding to
the dissonance in contrast with the C we've been hearing. Under this, Dave
moves from the previous swing rhythm (again, catchy, rocky) into a choppy
rhythm followed by a set of 8th note triplets on the toms. This adds to the
"confusion" in this measure, further stressing the meaning of this chorus.
"Don't know what it means" is repeated twice, in case it wasn't stressed
enough the first time.
You know, the more I really analyze this stuff, the more I really really
think Nirvana had a bit of genius.
However, whether or not I'm right or wrong, you claimed a particular
lack of insightfulness. I hope I've been able to point out a bit.
Elissa (fe...@cs.buffalo.edu)
Eu-Ming Lee
>blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
>blah, blah, integrity, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
>blew his brains out, blah, blah, blah, blah, talentless, blah, blah, blah,
>blah, stupid, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, baby, blah, blah, blah,
>blah, whore, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, eat shit, blah, blah, blah,
>blah, blah, blah, fuck you, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, get a life, blah,
>blah, blah, blah, blah, moron, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
>songwriter, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, Green Day sucks!, blah, blah,
>blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
>blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, can't play guitar, blah, blah, blah, blah,
>blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, eat shit, blah, blah blah, blah, blah,
>blah, fuck you, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...
>life? heck yeah--I'll have one please! where do I sign? oh, and could I get
>some fries with that?
>Thank You
>ted
On the internet, no one knows you're a hundred monkeys typing on a hundred
computers...
Ming
--
Eu-Ming Lee eum...@netcom.com mi...@interaccess.com
Eu-Ming Lee
>In <3kkto1$l...@panix.com> g...@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes:
>>dho...@uoguelph.ca (Doug Horne):
>>| Well, if you're going to claim accuracy, I can point out many places
>>| where Nirvana used more than 3 chords....
>>Hey, don't confuse them with the facts. They're having
>>enough trouble already.
>As the time-honored expression goes: "An interesting fantasy. Got any
>others?"
Not until you've paid for the time-honored expressions you have stolen
from Gordon.
David Lohmeyer
<lhuc...@reading.ac.uk> writes:
Kev, you don't get it. My good friend David here was showing
how just as it is wrong to judge all of John Lennon's songs by the
lyrics "I wanna hold your hand" it is wrong to judge all of Kurt
Cobain's songs by "I wish I could eat your cancer when you turn
black"...
...Dave
Eu-Ming Lee
madisonmadisonmadison <bla...@gladstone.uoregon.edu> writes:
>some one please clue me in...
Internet Cluebook:
#192 Walkthrough of the alt.fan.courtney-love area:
>why is it that as soon as somebody dies,
>they become so great. suddenly kurt cobain has heart and integrity.
#192a)
Simple answer: He had heart and integrity before he died, but you didn't
hear about it until the media storm after he died.
>come on, he sat on a stage and moaned for millions of dollars then blew his
>brains out, leaving behind a poor baby that's gonna be raised by a trashy
>blond widow.
#192b)
That he did (except the trashy blonde widow part--- Courtney's not blonde
dammit!).
>i can't find the heart and integrity in there, sorry -maddy
see #192a.
When I was ten,
I had a friend.
She broke her head
and fell down dead.
Every now and
then and again,
I remember her
and feel ten again.
Suicide is suicide.
Kurt will always be
Twenty-seven
Crystalline time.
Elissa Feit
John < joc...@mit.edu> wrote:
[snip]
>Yeah stop calling her a trash blond widow. She also a scuz ball dyke.
>Next time get it correct.
John, this is your third post in 2 weeks that you called Courtney a
dyke. Whether or not it's true (how can a woman who loves men be a dyke?),
you appear to have a problem with it. Could you explain what bothers
you about female homosexuality?
Elissa (fe...@cs.buffalo.edu)
Florian Weidhase
> : If anyone is in to Nine Inch Nails, e-mail me. If there are any
> : FTP sites or special newsgroups about Nails tell me.
>
> Nine Inch Nails? Who the hell is that? If there's one thing I'm sick of,
> it's all these alternative geeks who make up bands that nobody has ever
> heard of just so they can seem cool. Even if this 'Nine Inch Nails' band
> does exist, I bet they're some awful local bar band. You sure aren't
> going to find anybody who likes them here.
>
> Green Day rocks!
>
Hey Mister Attitude ! How are we today ?? Being cooperative again ?? Being
tolerant, nice to other people ?? I just feel like telling you, that you
are an arrogant son of a bitch ! By the way, there are more bands besides
Nirvana and Green Day, e.g. NINE INCH NAILS. Please, asshole, listen to
music before you flame someone for liking it !! Nine inch nails do exist,
and IMHO kick ass ! And by the way, don't you think it's kinda arrogant to
say that andy isn't going to find anyone here who likes them. _ARE YOU
ALT.MUSIC.NIRVANA ????_. One thing, just one thing, I like about you is
that you like Green Day, but you're still an A..... !!!
MAIL ME, I'LL BE BACK AND DON'T POST SHIT !!!
RABBIT
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Florian "RABBIT" Weidhase
- He who dies with the most toys, _still dies_ ! -
e-mail : rab...@toppoint.de
voice : INT ACC + 49 (0)431-548336
## CrossPoint v3.02 ##
Newt
>
SNIP SNIP -----------------------------------SNIP
>
> John, this is your third post in 2 weeks that you called Courtney a
> dyke. Whether or not it's true (how can a woman who loves men be a dyke?),
> you appear to have a problem with it. Could you explain what bothers
> you about female homosexuality?
>
> Elissa (fe...@cs.buffalo.edu)
Who is counting? I have nothing against it female homosexuality.
They make great movies(:
John
behave yourself
Newt
> dyke. Whether or not it's true (how can a woman who loves men be a dyke?),
> you appear to have a problem with it. Could you explain what bothers
> you about female homosexuality?
>
> Elissa (fe...@cs.buffalo.edu)
madisonmadisonmadison
-trash, n. rubbish...waste or worhtless matter...a worthless person
(ok... now that i look at the definition in the dictionary, i see that i
was being a little harsh...does slutty bimbo suit you better? (before you
have a heart attack, check out all the posts titled "I fucked co(i)urtny
love" and "would you have sex with courtny love", etc. and think about
how she must be behaving to get that rep, then you can throw a shit fit
and get really mad at me)
-blond, blonde, a. a person fair color or complexion...with light hair
widow, n. a woman who has lost her husband by death, and who remains
still unmarried...
- i probably have her intelectual acomplishements down in my basement in
some magazine, but i've wasted enough time with this shit, and let's face
it she's not a rocket scientist, or she would probably do something other
than take her clothes off for millions of dollars.
Cuteness
: <3kkgh0$l...@su2.in.net>
: Distribution:
: an...@in.net (an...@in.net) wrote:
: : If anyone is in to Nine Inch Nails, e-mail me. If there are any
: : FTP sites or special newsgroups about Nails tell me.
: Nine Inch Nails? Who the hell is that? If there's one thing I'm sick of,
: it's all these alternative geeks who make up bands that nobody has ever
: heard of just so they can seem cool. Even if this 'Nine Inch Nails' band
: does exist, I bet they're some awful local bar band. You sure aren't
: going to find anybody who likes them here.
: Green Day rocks!
Have I smoked too much weed today or did this person who thinks Green Day
rocks just say he is clueless as to who N.I.N. is?
I think he's flamebait... What do you think, Joe?
"Dancer From Hell"
: Aaron
: --------------------------------------------------------------------------
: In the stereo: The Fall, "Cerebral Caustic"; Guided By Voices, "Bee
: Thousand"; Archers of Loaf, "Vee Vee"; The Caulfields, "whirligig";
: Magnetic Fields, "Distant Plastic Trees/The Wayward Bus". --;--;-@
--
cute...@I.am.beautiful.com
Gordon Fitch
| > | > >... he sat on a stage and moaned for millions of dollars then blew his
| > | > >brains out, leaving behind a poor baby that's gonna be raised by a
| > | > trashy
| > | > >blond widow. i can't find the heart and integrity in there, sorry
???:
| > | > ... And who the fuck are you
| > | > to call Courtney a trashy blond widow. ...
madisonmadisonmadison <bla...@gladstone.uoregon.edu>:
| > | come on, do you know these people? who the fuck are you to call
| > | courtney _not_ a trashy blond widow? if you saw her on the
| > | street, you'd probably think the same thing, just cuz she was married to
| > | the allmighty doesn't make her anything but stupid.
gcf:
| > What exactly is a "trashy blond widow" and why is it bad?
| > Also, what do you know about this particular one's
| > intellectual accomplishments?
madisonmadisonmadison <bla...@gladstone.uoregon.edu>:
| -trash, n. rubbish...waste or worhtless matter...a worthless person
| (ok... now that i look at the definition in the dictionary, i see that i
| was being a little harsh...does slutty bimbo suit you better? (before you
| have a heart attack, check out all the posts titled "I fucked co(i)urtny
| love" and "would you have sex with courtny love", etc. and think about
| how she must be behaving to get that rep, then you can throw a shit fit
| and get really mad at me)
Get mad at you? I'm enjoying drawing you out in front of a
large audience, some of whom may include your present or
future associates or employers. Onward....
| -blond, blonde, a. a person fair color or complexion...with light hair
|
| widow, n. a woman who has lost her husband by death, and who remains
| still unmarried...
|
| - i probably have her intelectual acomplishements down in my basement in
| some magazine, but i've wasted enough time with this shit, and let's face
| it she's not a rocket scientist, or she would probably do something other
| than take her clothes off for millions of dollars.
As I expected, you've presented no knowledge and no
arguments. You have a mouthful of bad language, and that's
about it. Want to try again? You've made quite a display
of yourself so far. The world's waiting.
--
>< Gordon Fitch >< g...@panix.com ><
Eu-Ming Lee
>Cobain wrote music based solely on experiences and I would much rather
>have had the heroin-juiced junky who wrote classics like "Smells like
>teen spirit" ("Gasp...he thinks that's a cool song. It's, like, so
>UNcool now!), "On a plain", and "Frances Farmer will have her revenge
>on Seattle", than the cookies-and-milk songs the likes of Hootie and
>the Blowfish. So please spare all the rest of us free thinkers the
>D.A.R.E speeches and Nancy Reagan-sloganisms.
Has anyone heard that Sublime song Date Rape? Ugh. That's the kind of
stuff that makes Nirvana and Hole's even more exceptional.
Ming
--
_The Infocom Internet Cluebook_ is on sale at stores now!
If you've got no clue, we've got one for YOU!
"I solved the Internet in ONE day, and maximized my score!"
- Eu-Ming Lee eum...@netcom.com, proud _Cluebook_ owner
David W. Perle
>> >never heard of John Lennon!.
>>
>> "I wanna hold your hand...I wanna hold your hand...I wanna hold your
>> hand..." What's that? I'm being unfair? That was only one small quote
>> from one song? Well it looks like I'm some kind of motherfucker who
>> doesn't know what he's talking about...
>
>was a hell of a lot different than it is today... without all of that
>poppy catchy stuff, the Beatles wouldn't have been giving the free reign
>they needed to produce Sgt Pepper ... they were the first group to really
>write their own material ...
Please guys, I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough with what I was trying to
say in that note, but please read what I said more carefully. It was in
response to those who just use stupid lines of Cobain's (or those that only
SEEM to be so stupid), and using that to "prove" that he was a terrible
lyricist. And then they bring up Lennon and the other Beatles as being an
example of a 'GOOD' lyricist. So *I* used *one* example of a *Beatles* song
that has no point and is stupid, but still is loved and appreciated, even
though there's nothing really to it. It's nothing against the Beatles,
because obviously they DID turn out to be exquisite musicians past the old
rock n' roll covers & tedious love songs.
By the way, Kev., I got your e-mail...
David
David W. Perle
>>Buy Sgt. Pepper, listern and learn.
> Kev, you don't get it. My good friend David here was showing
>how just as it is wrong to judge all of John Lennon's songs by the
>lyrics "I wanna hold your hand" it is wrong to judge all of Kurt
>Cobain's songs by "I wish I could eat your cancer when you turn
>black"...
Dave, Kev did send me an e-mail, after I explained what I meant here,
that he gets it now.
long live the memory and the music of john lennon,
long live the memory and the music of kurt cobain,
long live the memory and the music of beethoven...
long live t h e m e m o r y o f t h e d e a d
David
i think i'm done with this post
now...have a good night all...
David Lohmeyer
>>
>-trash, n. rubbish...waste or worhtless matter...a worthless person
>(ok... now that i look at the definition in the dictionary, i see that
i
>was being a little harsh...does slutty bimbo suit you better? (before
you
>have a heart attack, check out all the posts titled "I fucked
co(i)urtny
>love" and "would you have sex with courtny love", etc. and think about
>how she must be behaving to get that rep, then you can throw a shit fit
>and get really mad at me)
>
>-blond, blonde, a. a person fair color or complexion...with light hair
>
>widow, n. a woman who has lost her husband by death, and who remains
>still unmarried...
>
>- i probably have her intelectual acomplishements down in my basement
in
>some magazine, but i've wasted enough time with this shit, and let's
face
>it she's not a rocket scientist, or she would probably do something
other
>than take her clothes off for millions of dollars.
I'm always amazed by the ignorance of some people.
...Dave
madisonmadisonmadison
you're right. i read what i've written, and for those who don't know me,
it probably sounds pretty bitchy, so i'm not gonna waste my time with
this any more. i don't want anymore people getting the wrong impression.
i was just having a littlefun, but it's gone a little too far. so forget
it, you can have your opinion and i'll have mine. i don't think you're a
bad person for it, hope you don't judge people on what they say about a
band you like, cuz i'm really not all that bad. i'm sorry if i offended
you with my "mouthful of bad language"....maddy
Eu-Ming Lee
>gee, i love you too, calm down it really is ok. ya know i used to think
>that nirvana was pretty cool.
^^^^
>i really liked nevermind. but, i just don't
>think that kurt is soem great hero who defined our generation or
>something.
Who said he was? Some baby boomer journalists?
>if he is, i'm in the wrong generation. i can say two good
>things about kurt: 1-he proved that money does not make you happy and
>2-he played pretty decent music. but, i lost all respect for the guy when
>he killed himself, that's just not cool, whether you're clinically
^^^^^^^^
>depressed or not.
>it's cool if you like nirvana, but how can anyone think
^^^^
>that kurt cobain was all that special, if you wanna find someone special
>look in a history book and find someone who really made a difference.
Like who? Ernest Hemmingway? Philip K. Dick? Sylvia Plath?
>and
>come on, do you know these people? who the fuck are you to call courtney _not_ a trashy blond widow? if you saw her on the
>street, you'd probably think the same thing, just cuz she was married to
>the allmighty doesn't make her anything but stupid. - maddy
Look, Maddy. You may be so very concerned about what appears to be cool
and what not, but some of the rest of us aren't as trendy and 'cool' as
you. Perhaps we respected his talents before his death, and continue
to respect and appreciate them after his death. If you base your judgment
of music on the personal details of the musicians, that's your choice.
But please, don't pass judgment on what's cool and not cool and who's
trashy and who's not trashy. This is not high school, and we're not
going to bow to the head Heather because of her cooler than thou attitude.
And besides, you trivialize the whole issue of suicide saying "it's
not cool." Whatever.
Teenage suicide...
Don't do it!
Marcel...@enap.uquebec.ca
> On 20 Mar 1995, Jeff Davis wrote:
> > In <Pine.SOL.3.91.95032...@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
> > madisonmadisonmadison <bla...@gladstone.uoregon.edu> writes:
> >
> > >
> > >"polly wanna cracker, think i should get off her first" no, how bout
> > >"he's the one who likes all our pretty songs and he likes to sing
> > >along..." yes your right, this is what comes to my mind when i think
> > >_insightful_ get a life, with a role model like kurt "bang my brains
> > out"
> > >cobain, yo obviously need one
> > >
> > Hey, if you're not smart enough to understand the Lyrics, don't blame
> > Kurt by any means.
> >
> >
> OK if I'm so darn stupid, why don't you enlighten me, read between the
> lines for me, and if you find something beautiful and meaningful about
> it, tell me, I'm willing to listen...
> Do you have an idea of what In Bloom is about? Or what any other Nirvana song
> is about? Probably not, because it's already too much subtle for your
> narrow-minded brain. So if you need some help, I'll be generous and open your
> eyes a little bit...
> Lesson 1- Kurt Cobain lyrics are poetic. And that means you have to think a
> little bit about them. They say more than what is written. If you haven't
> realised that yet, you have a real problem...
> Lesson 2- Kurt Cobain lyrics are ironic. So you have to listen to the way he
> sings them if you want to understand what they mean.
> Lesson 3- You don't really have to understand what everything means! I
> thought everybody FELT what Kurt Cobain wanted to express, but it seems
> you're an exception...
>
> Next time, try to find yourself... I'll not be always as kind.
> Catherine
Nature Boy
> Please guys, I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough with what I was trying to
> say in that note, but please read what I said more carefully. It was in
> snip!
Hey, if you would have said that first (actually, to be honest, I'm not sure if I was responding to you or what - whoever I was responding too snipped your bit to such a degree that it changed the context - it was that I was responding to)
I guess I was just excited that a real conversation might be in the making ... sigh...
--
He's a product of his culture even as he rejects its values ...
madisonmadisonmadison
what is ignorant about not liking kurt cobain or courtney love, i don't
call you ignorant because you disagree with me....maddy
madisonmadisonmadison
look, sorry if i use the wrong vocabulary, when i say cool, i mean what i
think is good, or right, or whatever. i'm not talking about what appears
to be cool, i'm talking about what i think is cool. if you want me to put
it another way i think it's a waste of a life, it's sad, whatever. i really
could care less about what is trendy, you don't know me so you can't really decide what's
important to me by the words i use. it's just to bad that you took what
i said the wrong way. it's not how i meant it. it seems like this whole
thread is about passing judgement, it started with someone saying, kurt cobain is
nothing special, then a bunch of people agreed or disagreed, everyone is
passing judgement on him...i'm not saying that i don't still like some of
his music, i'm just saying i don't really respect him or his widow...i'm
not passing judgement on anyone who disagrees with that, everyone is
entitled to thier opinion...but i don't think everyone should be trashing
me because i have a different one... yeah ok, i was a bit harsh on
courtney, sorry...
Eu-Ming Lee
maddy writes with lines beyond 80 columns:
>>- i probably have her intelectual acomplishements down in my basement
>in
>>some magazine, but i've wasted enough time with this shit, and let's
>face
>>it she's not a rocket scientist, or she would probably do something
>other
>>than take her clothes off for millions of dollars.
Dav...@ix.netcom.com (David Lohmeyer) writes:
> I'm always amazed by the ignorance of some people.
> ...Dave
Let's face it. Rocket scientists don't make millions of dollars,
whether or not they take their clothes off. It doesn't take a brain
surgeon to realize that Courtney is faring much better than NASA.
Teresa Ha
maddie instead of with her opinions. frankly, i agree with her. kurt
cobain WAS nothing special. he was just a singer. no, he was an
artist. being a singer denotes having the ability to sing.
the people have picked someone who has been able to adequately express
his anger and sadness at the world and immortalized him. how come people
don't worship writers and artists (the visual kind, that is) with the
same kind of devotion? there are so many people that express themselves
so much better than kurt cobain ever did. yet they aren't recognized.
and they are. huh? i don't get it.
Gordon Fitch
| goodness... seems like you've turned this into a personal battle with
| maddie instead of with her opinions. frankly, i agree with her. kurt
| cobain WAS nothing special. he was just a singer. no, he was an
| artist. being a singer denotes having the ability to sing.
Actually, I was uninterested in Maddy's opinion of Kurt
Cobain as a person or as an artist. I was interested in
her personal attack on Courtney Love, wherein she called
her a "trashy blonde widow", a description which she later
seemed to withdraw. As I pointed out in another thread,
Courtney Love seems to be the object of a great deal of
abuse. Usually, it is obscure because it comes from real
or pretended clowns and fools, so when a person of at least
a moderate degree of visible intelligence shows up with
such opinions, I'm interested in where they come from.
Feel free to participate if you're so inclined; I assume
you're not in the clown or fool category.
| the people have picked someone who has been able to adequately express
| his anger and sadness at the world and immortalized him. how come people
| don't worship writers and artists (the visual kind, that is) with the
| same kind of devotion? there are so many people that express themselves
| so much better than kurt cobain ever did. yet they aren't recognized.
| and they are. huh? i don't get it.
I think the problem is that you're confusing your personal
taste with some kind of universal standard. Assume others
get something out of his work that you don't.
--
>< Gordon Fitch >< g...@panix.com ><
David W. Perle
>and what not, but some of the rest of us aren't as trendy and 'cool' as
>you. Perhaps we respected his talents before his death, and continue
>to respect and appreciate them after his death. If you base your judgment
>of music on the personal details of the musicians, that's your choice.
>But please, don't pass judgment on what's cool and not cool and who's
>trashy and who's not trashy. This is not high school, and we're not
>going to bow to the head Heather because of her cooler than thou attitude.
>And besides, you trivialize the whole issue of suicide saying "it's
>not cool." Whatever.
A quote that I've used (online and offline) ever since I first found out
about Cobain's death: "I'd rather be dead than cool." After I started
using it I really started thinking about what it REALLY means to me. I have
no idea what was in Kurt Cobain's head when he wrote that line. Perhaps it
meant nothing to him at the time, perhaps it meant everything. But since
April '94 I've made it a goal to keep from being "cool", because those who
are "cool" are generally the assholes who look for the weaknesses in people
to make them feel like dirt. I came up with all of this last year when I
was in the 10th grade, and I still stand by it. If I ever become one of the
"cool" jerks, kill me.
David
"I'd rather be dead than cool." KURT D COBAIN 1967-1994
oh, and here's an original line of mine: "Losers are cool and cool people
suck." DAVID W PERLE 1977-
David W. Perle
CAWhelchel
weber) writes:
>
>
>kirk was a great singer and you suck if you don't think so.
>
Kirk? As in Captain James T.??? hehehehe! Yeah, I heard him sing
"Rocket Man" on some sucky album a while back.
Uh, I didn't like Captain Kirk's singing, but my
boyfriend/significant other seems to like me to suck. Does that count?
Cheryl
Take it away....
--
Huh... uh..huh huh... uh.... what was I saying?
euph...@ix.netcom.com
Upgraded to Super Etch-A-Sketch Technology
byron t. weber
Tim Mattison
: kirk was a great singer and you suck if you don't think so.
^^^^
Hmmm... and how long have _you_ been listening to Nirvana?