Can anybody tell me who sings the demo "Beans". is it Kurt or just a
computer-generated-studio voice overdub or something?
Just Wondering
David
my guess would be that the kc's vocals were made to sound like that by
taking
advantage of the pitch control knob on most four tracks. everything was
recorded at a slow speed and sped up as it was being placed onto another
tape from the four track..
leo
but who fucking knows
Stoney.
so it wasn't helium? i thought this was what he did to get his voice
this high and why the songs breaks long enuf to take in more
Yeah, I slowed it down as well and it does sound a lot like Chris
singing. Hes got a real "unique" voice. It sorta sounded like his
singing in "Do You Love Me" or "The Landlord Is A Piece Of Shit From
Hell" in Montage of Heck 1. Anyway, Thats just my opinion. Who knows
whos singing in it!
Tim.
>Xmrcrowley wrote:
>>
>> Can anybody tell me who sings the demo "Beans". is it Kurt or just a
>> computer-generated-studio voice overdub or something?
>>
>> Just Wondering
>>
>> David
>YES, Kurt is the one who sings Beans...how??? Simple...he breathed some
>helium. Helium has the property to lighten the voice...which means,
>that if Kurt was singing at a high pitched tone...and had breathed some
>helium...IT WOULD HAVE MADE it weider...like at a higher pitch...If you
>don't believe me, try breathing some helium yourself...you'll see what I
>mean...but not TOO MUCH....it could kill ya....
>Nirvana Freak
HELIUM??? HYUK, HYUK, HYUK!!
Are you really *that* stupid???
Almost all 4-tracks - even bottom range ones - have a tape speed
controll, enabling you to speedup/slowdown your recording..
It's a fake anyway, I thought someone proved that ages ago!!
.
>Nirvana Freak wrote:
>>
>> Xmrcrowley wrote:
>> >
>> > Can anybody tell me who sings the demo "Beans". is it Kurt or just a
>> > computer-generated-studio voice overdub or something?
>> >
>> > Just Wondering
>> >
>> > David
>>
>> Didn't any of you have physics courses at school or somethin??? THINK
>> HELIUM....helium makes your voice lighter...therefor...at a high pitched
>> tone...Therefor...if Kurt was already singing at a high tone and had
>> taken some breathes of helium while singing...it would have given such a
>> sound....try it for yourself...you'll see what I mean...so YES IT IS
>> KURT SINGING ON BEANS!
>>
>> Nirvana Freak
>Look, you super-cool, ultra-rad Nirvana freak...helium isn't the
>only possibility. In fact, it's quite obvious by the guitar sound that
>the effect was achieved by using the pitch control on a 4-track, which
>has already been stated and is true. So, quit with this helium crap.
>Chris
THANK YOU CHRIS!!! For the record, everyone listen up.....Leo & Chris
are telling you guys how Kurt made his voice sound the way it did on
Beans. Believe me, I know that this is right.
Marc
>Xmrcrowley wrote:
>>
>> Can anybody tell me who sings the demo "Beans". is it Kurt or just a
>> computer-generated-studio voice overdub or something?
>>
>> Just Wondering
>>
>> David
>YES, Kurt is the one who sings Beans...how??? Simple...he breathed some
>helium. Helium has the property to lighten the voice...which means,
>that if Kurt was singing at a high pitched tone...and had breathed some
>helium...IT WOULD HAVE MADE it weider...like at a higher pitch...If you
>don't believe me, try breathing some helium yourself...you'll see what I
>mean...but not TOO MUCH....it could kill ya....
>Nirvana Freak
NOPE, no helium, just read LEO'S explaination. He is right & what he
says was how it was done.
Maybe BUT....think about it this way....YOU try to do such a high pitch
voice JUST by using the pitch control....believe me, it's also part of
it....not my fault if you're closed-minded....I have accepted that pitch
control thing but I also believe helium was part of it...ADMIT IT it
could be a possiblity!
Nirvana Freak
And by the way....I'M FEMALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did you ever think I could have had some problems with my puter and that
it had said for the 2 1st ones that it didn't get through so I tried
sending it again but forgot EXACTLY what I wrote in them??? Have you
ever thought that was a possiblity cause that's what happened!
>*Beans* is NOT faked it IS Nirvana. I don't know how any faked bs got
>started but it is just that BS.
Well, I do remember someone posting something a while back, some
quote about the song (maybe even from Come As You Are), where some
lyrics from the song were quoted, and none of them are in the song.
BUT, and I just thought about this after I hit 'f' to respond...I have
a version of Beans with a little bit of other vocals before the "beans
beans beans...jackie ate some beans..." part. It's something about
how "I'm gonna beat you up." Does anyone else know about these
"mysterious other lyrics" that made the authenticity of what we know
as Beans questionable?
David
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: Can anybody tell me who sings the demo "Beans". is it Kurt or just a
: computer-generated-studio voice overdub or something?
: Just Wondering
: David
Sounds like Kurt on helium to me.
Darren
>fel...@HDSPAMBLOCKbiosys.net (Phil Oliver) wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 20 May 1997 00:15:06 GMT, mar...@paonline.com (marcob) wrote:
>
>>>stone...@aol.com (Stoney4429) wrote:
>>>
>>>>actually. i took it and slowed it down one time and it sounds like
>>>>krist...
>>>
>>>Gawd, it is NOT krist, it IS Kurt. Read Leo's explaination of how it
>>>was done.
>
>>I heard "Beans" is faked and is not Nirvana.
>
>>-Phil Oliver
>
>*Beans* is NOT faked it IS Nirvana. I don't know how any faked bs got
>started but it is just that BS.
How can you be certain that it IS Nirvana? The voice is so screwed up
that it wouldn't be that surprising if it weren't them, there have
been plenty of "normal" sounding songs that were supposedly
Nirvana but really weren't (not to mention "Kurt's Home Guitar
rehearsals"). I'm not claiming it's not Nirvana, but I'm also not
claiming it definitely IS them.
-Phil Oliver
>Didn't any of you have physics courses at school or somethin??? THINK
>HELIUM....helium makes your voice lighter...therefor...at a high pitched
>tone...Therefor...if Kurt was already singing at a high tone and had
>taken some breathes of helium while singing...it would have given such a
>sound....try it for yourself...you'll see what I mean...so YES IT IS
>KURT SINGING ON BEANS!
And I suppose he gave the guitar some helium as well?
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>Just cuz, CAYA says it was a "Vaselines-influenced" song, but I'm
>pretty sure that was in the lyrics, not the specific guitar line
>(though,
>slowed down, it probably does bear a resemblance to Frances and Eugene's
>writing style.
>Chris
Really? Other than the obvious son of a gun, jesus, and molly's lips I
dare you to name another sont that the Vaselines did that remotely
resembles it. In fact those 3 songs Nirvana covered barely resemble
it. Face it, it's a fake!!!!!! Somebody constructed it from the
description in CAYA.. why else did it 'appear' from thin air, and
without the other songs it was reputed to have been with... and don't
give that bs about them being those acoustic versions, coz they were
from a radio broadcast..
>But yeah, that is possible, if you record with the pitch control all the
>way down and play it back with it all the way up.
>Chris
Yeah, but if you listen the pich is wavering.. this is a classic cover
up move when faking vocals because it destorts the voice in such a way
as to make it almost impossible to get back to normal speed - and
therefore difficult to prove a fake - like it is..
It's on Dressed for Success
>-Phil Oliver
Look, Beans IS Kurt singing & playing. Kurt's Home Guitar Rehearsals
is FAKE. These two facts are widely know among serious Nirvana
collectors. I have no idea how to convince you of these two facts.
If you pass up *Beans* it is your loss.
Its not a fake!!!!
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>fel...@JISPAMBLOCKbiosys.net (Phil Oliver) wrote:
>>How can you be certain that it IS Nirvana? The voice is so screwed up
>>that it wouldn't be that surprising if it weren't them, there have
>>been plenty of "normal" sounding songs that were supposedly
>>Nirvana but really weren't (not to mention "Kurt's Home Guitar
>>rehearsals"). I'm not claiming it's not Nirvana, but I'm also not
>>claiming it definitely IS them.
>
>
>Look, Beans IS Kurt singing & playing. Kurt's Home Guitar Rehearsals
>is FAKE. These two facts are widely know among serious Nirvana
>collectors. I have no idea how to convince you of these two facts.
I would be convinced that it's them if someone explained HOW
these "serious collectors" know it's real.
-Phil Oliver
>Have you even heard anything by the REAL Vaselines, or just Nirvana's
>covers? I'm not saying it's a direct copy of the Vaselines style, but
>the resemblance is there.
Yes I have. Your poin is?
I also have the Devo original (which I had well before Incesticide or
the radio 1 session).
Like I said, your point is?
>Face it, Beans was a joke. Whether or not the existing Beans is real
>or not, I'm not at liberty to say.
The joke is on anybody who believes it is real, esp. those who favour
the helium thing.
Ger.
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>-Phil Oliver
OK, have you listened to the " Home Rehearsals"? If you are seriously
into Kurt & Nirvana you know that there is NO WAY that that is Kurt's
guitar playing or singing. That's how "serious collector's" know, if
you listen to enough of Kurt's guitar playing & singing you can hear
that it NOT him.
Hey Phil, I am not selling these things so don't keep coming at me
with your wise ass questions. Maybe you can go play in traffic
instead! : )
>fel...@KESPAMBLOCKbiosys.net (Phil Oliver) wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 24 May 1997 00:59:06 GMT, mar...@paonline.com (marcob) wrote:
>
>>>Look, Beans IS Kurt singing & playing. Kurt's Home Guitar Rehearsals
>>>is FAKE. These two facts are widely know among serious Nirvana
>>>collectors. I have no idea how to convince you of these two facts.
>
>>I would be convinced that it's them if someone explained HOW
>>these "serious collectors" know it's real.
>
>>-Phil Oliver
>
>OK, have you listened to the " Home Rehearsals"? If you are seriously
>into Kurt & Nirvana you know that there is NO WAY that that is Kurt's
>guitar playing or singing. That's how "serious collector's" know, if
>you listen to enough of Kurt's guitar playing & singing you can hear
>that it NOT him.
When did I ever say that the "Home Rehearsals" were real? I've
already said that I knew those were faked, the person who's
supposedly "Kurt" isn't even playing the right chords! What I
keep asking is "How do you know it's him playing 'Beans'? "
There's nothing distinctive about the playing in "Beans" to
indicate Kurt, it's just a simple strum of a couple chords.
>Hey Phil, I am not selling these things so don't keep coming at me
>with your wise ass questions. Maybe you can go play in traffic
>instead! : )
"Wise ass questions"??? You keep insisting that "All serious
collectors know that 'Beans' is real", all I've asked is "How do
you know that?" My sincerest apologies, from now on whenever
people in this newsgroup make a claim like that, I won't be a
"wise ass" and ask them to prove it...
-Phil Oliver
>I would be convinced that it's them if someone explained HOW
>these "serious collectors" know it's real.
>-Phil Oliver
The problem is that most *serious* nirvana collectors feel quite
worried when put on the spot about Beans. They want to believe it's
real, but they know it's fake. Plain and simple. It's fake, faker than
Bill Clintons smile..
G
>All you've been saying is "it's fake", "it's fake", "it's fake!". How
>about giving us some PROOF as to why you believe it to be a fake? It
>could make this whole thread a little more interesting.
>Chris
Proof?
!: Lyrics don't match those in CAYA.. Why should this be so if Azerad
*heard* the actual song.
2: Vaselines influence. Neither the lyrics nor the music sounds like
the sort of stuff the vaselines did. It does however sound like what
someone might imagine they sound from Azerads description of their
music, and also from the impression Nirvana gabve via their style of
covering other peoples material (see Devo, Shocking Blue 'My Sharona'
(by whoever), etc.)
3: If you slow down the vocals it does *not* sound even remotly like
Cobain. Before you try the old 'but it was speeded up so his voice is
destorted'.. even if you speed up someones vocals/voice and then dub
that onto a tape. Make a 5th generation dub of that recording (ie,
record it onto another tape, record that onto another tape, etc) and
then if you restore the 5th gen copy to the correct speed it still
*sounds* like the person it is. Beans does *not*. Further proof of
this is a demo my band made. We recorded backwards messages for our
demo. We used a 4-track, recorded the tape at normal (mid speed) pitch
then flipped the cassette over and played it backwards, dubbing it to
tape, and varying the speed of palyback. My sister came home for
christmas and listened to our demo, liked it but wanted to know what
we said backwards so I re-dubbed the message onto my 4-track (lost the
original recording) and played it at 'normal' pitch and the right way
round. I could *clearly* hear my voice (even though the pitch was
wavering) and also I could *clearly* hear the voices of my band mates,
and we *all* sounded like ourselves (with wavering pitched voices). We
didn't sound like someone else entirely - like Beans does.
Beans is just too conveniant. It fits in with an ideal rather than
fact - the ideal that the song *was* recorded, and that it's likely
that Kurt would have tried to disguise his voice to such an extent
that is is impossible to tell if it is really him, and sounds more
likely to be someone else entirely. I can't do it for a while coz my
sound card is screwed, but if you all want I will send out a WAV file
via email to anyone who thinks I am wrong.
Kurt has a very distinctive voice and anyone who is fooled by the fake
is pretty dumb. If I wanted to get some cash from gullible people I
would have done this type of thing because you all seem to have fallen
for it. For gods sake, why would the song be described as vaseline
like and not 'smurf' like.. Don't you think Azerrad would have
included that small fact??
Ger.
>>-Phil Oliver
It is not fake. BTW, I am NOT *quite worried*. What makes YOU think
it is fake?
and while this may true, until proved by a completely reliable
source, like perhaps michael azzerad, krist noveselic, or anyone
of that sort, i think we basically have to believe 'beans' is legit
because it is possible that it could be kurt.
leo
>and while this may true, until proved by a completely reliable
>source, like perhaps michael azzerad, krist noveselic, or anyone
>of that sort, i think we basically have to believe 'beans' is legit
>because it is possible that it could be kurt.
>leo
That's what I meant in the post I did before last in the tread. Cris
retaliated with calls for 'proof', and to be honest I have about as
much *real* evidence against beans as anyone has for it. But the real
problem is that *real* Nirvana collectors *want* to believe beans is
real, but just cant really. As I said it's too conveniant, that
coupled with the audio evedence I presented, what other conclusion can
be drawn? It's a fake until proven real!!
Ger
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>I could always pester Michael Azerrad about it, but I won't. I really
>don't give a damn, and I'm sure he doesn't either. Move on with your
>lives!!
>Chris
Hell! I could pester Azerrad too, it's not like it's hard to find his
email address or anything -but I too don't really care. The thing
that anoys me though is how everyone takes it for granted that it's
real *just* because it is on bootlegs. There are countless fakes out
there that sound more realistic than beans (that instramental version
of Sifting, B&W blues etc.), but people just want to believe it's real
so they have another one over on the people that want to goet into
bootlegs.
Ger
>Well Sub Pop had it on a song list by their artists. I can't remember
>where I saw it, might have been at their site unsure but if it's on a
>Sub Pop song list well then it must be for real!
I never said the song didn't exist.. Just that the 'helium' version is
a fake.. Totally unconvincing.
>Beans however, is a fake. I know, I think I know the guy who made it..
>well claims to have, but sorry I am not revealing sources.. Suck on
>that.
You are SO pathetic. i have something for you: "My favorite inside
source...."
If you like Nirvana and Kurt so much, then how do you feel about that? or
are you just gonna blow it off by saying that it's not from a real nirvana
song?
And all those rumors about Dave Grohl in Pearl Jam ARE true!!
He was never in Nirvana! It was Dave Foster the whole time!
Dave Navarro and David Alan Grier were also in Nirvana for a time.
>mar...@paonline.com (marcob) wrote:
>>It is not fake. BTW, I am NOT *quite worried*. What makes YOU think
>>it is fake?
>Um, it is fake.. I posted a hole bunch about it.. pick up the speed
>boy..
Hey Jerry........you are missing a hell of a lot.
<childish prattle removed>
Look dude, I have been posting to this group since before the Joseph
Betz incident. I choose now to be anonymous due to junk mail, but
basicly I think I know a little more about the general rule of thumb
than you do. Hell I remember when it used to be a damn flame war hell
here.. and I remember a time before Chris Lawrence too (or atleast a
time when he wasn't very vocal)..
ger.
> what ever
>I say means exactly zero to anyone but me.
I can't agree with you more. Are you really that dumb, or is this just an
act? Everything that you say DOES mean nothing to me....and according to
you, the same goes for everyone else. Why not just pack up your bullshit
hypothesis and get out of here! Accept the fact, that until Beans is
proven fake, it will still remain a Nirvana song. As of now, there is no
proof to contradict the validity of that song.
Phil, you really are proving to be quite literally anal retentive...
Wasn't that you who also jumped into the discussion on making poopys?
Heh.
>Phil Oliver wrote:
>>
>> On 10 Jun 1997 07:07:22 GMT, slip...@aol.com (SLIPPYBOY) wrote:
>>
>> >Accept the fact, that until Beans is
>> >proven fake, it will still remain a Nirvana song. As of now, there is no
>> >proof to contradict the validity of that song.
>>
>> That's a bit ass backwards, more appropriately, until it is proven
>> real, it will not remain a Nirvana song. If I take a tape recorder
>> into the bathroom later tonight and record the sounds of me taking a
>> dump, will it remain a Nirvana song until someone proves that it's
>> really me shitting and not Kurt?
>>
>> -Phil Oliver
>
>Phil, you really are proving to be quite literally anal retentive...
More like fecal retentive I suppose, but you're on the right track.
>Wasn't that you who also jumped into the discussion on making poopys?
Um, actually, I started that discussion. If you wish to psychoanalyze
me on the basis of my frequent references to feces, so be it. But I
think I just use it as an analogy to make other things seem more
absurd.
-Phil Oliver
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>On the KoRn mailing list and on this.
I am most certainly not on a Korn mailing list, thank you very much.
What the hell are you talking about?
>All you do is make negative comments.
Well, when people post shit about Korn into the newsgroups I read, I
feel the need to make negative comments. Call me wacky.
-Phil Oliver
You feel a lot of needs, don't you Phil..
You aren't wacky, just a tired ol wanker.
Don't you realize that responding to X-post and off topic material
perpetuates it, and then your needs become out of control?
How would you find his email address?
>So, Grealdo, how would you find Michael Azzerads e-mail address?
The same way the rest of us do, and look for the name "Michael
Azzerad" and see which e-mail address was next to it, perhaps?
Azzerad writes for ATN and does a fair amount of work online, so his
address isn't hard to locate at all. He is rather sick of receiving
Nirvana-related questions, however.
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Why do you think I'd ask Azzerad about Nirvana? Don't you think I'd
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