I got a bootleg where Kurt says he is smoking Benson and hedges but I think he
is just taking the piss out of B&H, hey i smoke them anyway.
KDC DLS <kdc...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19980128173...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
**the incoherant , politically incorrect , unwitty ,
ungrammaticly correct , disoriented , senseless ,
moronic , untalented , idiotic dolt**
I believe he smoked Winstons,but why should that matter?? Are u gonna
smoke the same too?
dseven
Out of sheer, sick, curiousity, what the hell does being a fan have to do with
what brand of cigs he smoked? I suppose you'd also like to know the caliber of
the bullet that went through his head huh?
-Daved (who's getting sick of questions from the obsessed)
>
>I believe he smoked Winstons,but why should that matter?? Are u gonna
>smoke the same too?
>
>dseven
>
Yes because I wannbe kewl like the skateboarders in my school!
CCCCCChaka <ccccc...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19980129003...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
Wolfgang wrote in message <34D11DAF...@ns.sympatico.ca>...
> Wasn't it 12 gauge?
>
>RaSPuTeN wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 05:11:28 GMT, moon...@cybercomm.net (diane)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >I believe he smoked Winstons,but why should that matter?? Are u gonna
>> >smoke the same too?
>> >
>> >dseven
>> >
>> Yes because I wannbe kewl like the skateboarders in my school!
>
>
>
FUCKING A
ALT.KILL.DEATH.WANK.GUNS.NIRVANA
Tosser...
...Cyber Demon,
george
KDC DLS <kdc...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19980129040...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
Ok, I don't know WHAT the hell that has to do with the brand of
cigarettes Kurt smoked, but I believe he smoked Pall Mall unfiltered
cigs.
phirebug
You know the drill...remove the x from my email address to reply.
cyber wrote:
> In article <34D250...@swbell.net>, Joe <hppy...@swbell.net> writes
> >HAHAHA. you stupid fuck. how long did it take to think of that? About as
> >long as it did to read the other 50 messeges that said the same. Good
> >job dick. Mommy would be proud.
> Fuck off ! You "AAAH - death, wank wank, KILL, wank, wank, SAD TOSSER !"
> This is a hacking NG (newsgroup - loser !), so go back to
in case you can't read this thread is posted across 4 different NG's ya
fucking genius. so THIS isn't a hacking NG ya little 2600 freak...get a
clue.
-porter
The NG you're looking at might not be a hacking one, but alt.2600 is.
Maybe it'd be a good idea not to cross-post to NGs that have nothing
to do with your subject matter.
H.
> On Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:37:02 +0000, cyber
> <cy...@I.hate.spammers.and.lamers> wrote:
>
> >In article <34D250...@swbell.net>, Joe <hppy...@swbell.net>
> writes
> >>HAHAHA. you stupid fuck. how long did it take to think of that?
> About as
> >>long as it did to read the other 50 messeges that said the same.
> Good
> >>job dick. Mommy would be proud.
> >Fuck off ! You "AAAH - death, wank wank, KILL, wank, wank, SAD TOSSER
> !"
> >This is a hacking NG (newsgroup - loser !), so go back to
> >
Mean Mr. Mustard wrote in message
<34D5BA0F...@smallbusiness.net.au>...
>Kurt was just a big wanker and the biggest toss in the
>world any way.
Don't you have anything better to do than troll?
>He was the crappyest muso to walk the earth and i don't
>care what anyone else thinks.
Nirvana sold over 20 million records WW. He also brought his genre to the
fore.
>He wrote sad, crappy songs and killed himself.
Most people are happy when they listen to Nirvana's music. Kurt killed
himself because of assholes like you.
>looser
It's spelled "loser". If you can't remember how to spell it, go find your
report card. It's the word written in big red letters.
>Lot's of people looked up to him and followed what he said.
Kurt wrote pop songs. He didn't preach anything to anyone. If someone killed
themselves because Kurt Cobain did, then they were fucked up to begin with.
You should be criticizing their parents, not KC.
>He caused LOTS of deaths and other wankerish things.
You are fucking nuts.
>Well, thats what I think Anyway.
Now you can go away you squirty little troll. God, what a putz.
Amen to that.
-NK
That's a terrible, disgusting thing to say about someone who was a
wonderful human being. God bless him forevermore.
> Don't you have anything better to do than troll?
>
> >He was the crappyest muso to walk the earth and i don't
> >care what anyone else thinks.
Projection. Look inside yourself and figure out what's missing in your
*own* soul.
> Nirvana sold over 20 million records WW. He also brought his genre to the
> fore.
20 million? Wow! I'm amazed. Well, I knew it was a mega-number, anyway.
> >He wrote sad, crappy songs and killed himself.
His songs are beautiful, insightful, and always right on-target. And I'm
not surprised he chose to kill himself, though I don't think that anyone
should ever "choose" suicide.
From what I understand (and unfortunately I know few specific details
about Mr. Cobain's life), Mr. Cobain had a very difficult life.
> Most people are happy when they listen to Nirvana's music. Kurt killed
> himself because of assholes like you.
It would seem that's the case, yes (on both counts above).
> >looser
>
> It's spelled "loser". If you can't remember how to spell it, go find your
> report card. It's the word written in big red letters.
Snork! You really got 'im there! :)
> >Lot's of people looked up to him and followed what he said.
This is quite true.
> Kurt wrote pop songs. He didn't preach anything to anyone. If someone killed
> themselves because Kurt Cobain did, then they were fucked up to begin with.
> You should be criticizing their parents, not KC.
>
> >He caused LOTS of deaths and other wankerish things.
>
> You are fucking nuts.
>
> >Well, thats what I think Anyway.
>
> Now you can go away you squirty little troll. God, what a putz.
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Belial wrote:
> NK wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:20:32 +1100, Mean Mr. Mustard wrote:
> > >Who cares anyway? Kurt was just a big wanker and the biggest toss in the
> > >world any way. He was the crappyest muso to walk the earth and i don't
> > >care what anyone else thinks. He wrote sad, crappy songs and killed
> > >himself. With the cult following (from other wankers) he had, he was a
> > >looser to do all that stuff. Lot's of people looked up to him and
> > >followed what he said. He caused LOTS of deaths and other wankerish
> > >things.Well, thats what I think Anyway.
> >
> > Amen to that.
> >
> > -NK
> If he caused others people's deaths, who caused his? Surely not himself,
> because noone has self control.
> Curt didn't cause anyone elses death, they caused their own deaths.
>
> Curt Cobain was just a man who married a stupid woman, took too many
> drugs and didn't get enough help.
> --
> "The most August sorceres from Hades
> Darkly seized for me a throne
> And the upraised scythe so terribly scribed
> Vengence on Jesuit blood on stone
> From this ransacked celestial temple
> I hold the prophet's severed head unto all nations"
>
> -Cradle of filth
> --
>
> PEARL JAM IMMORTAL for Pearl Jam Memorabilia
> http://users.net2000.com.au/~trevh/pearl/
A - freakin - MEN
That has to be the most intelligent thing I have ever seen anyone write
about the whole KC scene.
Hobo Bob
JG wrote:
>
> "Mean Mr. Mustard" <wyn...@smallbusiness.net.au> writes: > Who cares anyway? Kurt was just a big wanker and the biggest toss in the
> > world any way. He was the crappyest muso to walk the earth and i don't
> > care what anyone else thinks. He wrote sad, crappy songs and killed
> > himself. With the cult following (from other wankers) he had, he was a
> > looser to do all that stuff. Lot's of people looked up to him and
> > followed what he said. He caused LOTS of deaths and other wankerish
> > things.Well, thats what I think Anyway.
> >
> >
> > > On Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:37:02 +0000, cyber
> > > <cy...@I.hate.spammers.and.lamers> wrote:
> > >
> > > >In article <34D250...@swbell.net>, Joe <hppy...@swbell.net>
> > > writes
> > > >>HAHAHA. you stupid fuck. how long did it take to think of that?
> > > About as
> > > >>long as it did to read the other 50 messeges that said the same.
> > > Good
> > > >>job dick. Mommy would be proud.
> > > >Fuck off ! You "AAAH - death, wank wank, KILL, wank, wank, SAD TOSSER
> > > !"
> > > >This is a hacking NG (newsgroup - loser !), so go back to
> > > >
> > > >ALT.KILL.DEATH.WANK.GUNS.NIRVANA
> > > >
> > > >Tosser...
> > > >...Cyber Demon,
> > > Ok, I don't know WHAT the hell that has to do with the brand of
> > > cigarettes Kurt smoked, but I believe he smoked Pall Mall unfiltered
> > > cigs.
> > > phirebug
> > > You know the drill...remove the x from my email address to reply.
> >you guys suck for even talking about that no-tallent ass-fuck.
> >
> >
Kurt might not have been a good guitrist, but he was an .Awesome. song
writer.
All of their songs are different. Alot of the songs have deep meanings.
Well some at least. And personally I belive that Kurt was murdered. I
doubt he commited suicide from all the things ive read.
--
Scra...@Erols.com
http://www.erols.com/scratchy/
remove .no.spam from email to mail me.
Dude, Kurdt was like, you know, so deep. You know he was, like,
alternative, and I had someone tell me on, you know, like MTV that alternative
music has like, hiddn meanings sometimes, like you know? And, dude, I read
this website, like it was on the Internet, tha, like, showed how impossible it
was for him to, you know, do it, you know, like kill himself. It was a
conspiracy, dude, because someone told me so.
Kurt Cobain wrote great songs, with the help of three or four other
people. He had problems, and like many people, he killed himself. He wasn;t a
great person when he lived and he isn't a great person now. He was a good
songwriter and musician and he appealed to many people. Some are jealous and
others live vicariously through other poeple's lives. C'est la vie...Steve
Good idea. Let's start by ending this thread (or at least taking it
out of alt.2600).
H.
hey man whats up kurt was a good guitarist but not a very good one
untill about "NEVERMIND" there was good guitarism
and you are right about that he was murdered
Scratch Acid <Scra...@erols.com> wrote in article
<34D886...@erols.com>...
> brwr...@erols.com wrote:
> >
> > In article <34d60...@news.pacifier.com>,
> > "Jackson" <ptr...@pacifier.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Mean Mr. Mustard wrote in message
> > > <34D5BA0F...@smallbusiness.net.au>...
> > >
> > > >Kurt was just a big wanker and the biggest toss in the
> > > >world any way.
> >
Belial <tr...@net2000.com.au> wrote in article
<34D691...@net2000.com.au>...
> NK wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:20:32 +1100, Mean Mr. Mustard wrote:
> > >Who cares anyway? Kurt was just a big wanker and the biggest toss in
the
> > >world any way. He was the crappyest muso to walk the earth and i don't
> > >care what anyone else thinks. He wrote sad, crappy songs and killed
> > >himself. With the cult following (from other wankers) he had, he was a
> > >looser to do all that stuff. Lot's of people looked up to him and
> > >followed what he said. He caused LOTS of deaths and other wankerish
> > >things.Well, thats what I think Anyway.
> >
> > Amen to that.
> >
> > -NK
> If he caused others people's deaths, who caused his? Surely not himself,
> because noone has self control.
> Kurt Cobain wrote great songs, with the help of three or four other
> people.
I didn't really want to get involved in this stupid cross-post, but Kurt wrote most
of his songs by himself.
--
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On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Chris Potter wrote:
> He's dead for God's sake, let him rest in peace!
>
> Belial wrote:
>
g.jaramillo <g.jar...@MCI2000.com> wrote in article
<01bd3131$68d092e0$911337a6@default>...
>
> hey man whats up kurt was a good guitarist but not a very good one
> untill about "NEVERMIND" there was good guitarism
>
> and you are right about that he was murdered
> Scratch Acid <Scra...@erols.com> wrote in article
> <34D886...@erols.com>...
> > brwr...@erols.com wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <34d60...@news.pacifier.com>,
> > > "Jackson" <ptr...@pacifier.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mean Mr. Mustard wrote in message
> > > > <34D5BA0F...@smallbusiness.net.au>...
> > > >
> > > > >Kurt was just a big wanker and the biggest toss in the
> > > > >world any way.
> > >
> > > That's a terrible, disgusting thing to say about someone who was a
> > > wonderful human being. God bless him forevermore.
> > >
> > > > Don't you have anything better to do than troll?
> > > >
> > > > >He was the crappyest muso to walk the earth and i don't
> > > > >care what anyone else thinks.
> > >
> > > Projection. Look inside yourself and figure out what's missing in
your
> > > *own* soul.
> > >
> > > > Nirvana sold over 20 million records WW. He also brought his genre
to
> the
> > > > fore.
> > >
> > > 20 million? Wow! I'm amazed. Well, I knew it was a mega-number,
anyway.
> > >
> > > > >He wrote sad, crappy songs and killed himself.
> > >
> > > His songs are beautiful, insightful, and always right on-target. And
> I'm
> > > not surprised he chose to kill himself, though I don't think that
> anyone
> > > should ever "choose" suicide.
> > >
> > > From what I understand (and unfortunately I know few specific details
> > > about Mr. Cobain's life), Mr. Cobain had a very difficult life.
> > >
> > > > Most people are happy when they listen to Nirvana's music. Kurt
> killed
> > > > himself because of assholes like you.
> > >
> > > It would seem that's the case, yes (on both counts above).
> > >
> > > > >looser
> > > >
> > > > It's spelled "loser". If you can't remember how to spell it, go
find
> your
> > > > report card. It's the word written in big red letters.
> > >
> > > Snork! You really got 'im there! :)
> > >
> > > > >Lot's of people looked up to him and followed what he said.
> > >
> > > This is quite true.
> > >
> > > > Kurt wrote pop songs. He didn't preach anything to anyone. If
someone
> killed
> > > > themselves because Kurt Cobain did, then they were fucked up to
begin
> with.
> > > > You should be criticizing their parents, not KC.
> > > >
> > > > >He caused LOTS of deaths and other wankerish things.
> > > >
> > > > You are fucking nuts.
> > > >
> > > > >Well, thats what I think Anyway.
> > > >
ross <fe...@dircon.coo.uuk> wrote in article
<01bd328e$69b730c0$993570c2@default>...
> Hi,
> My names Ross and I'm the lead singer of an alternative band from london
> called FUSE.
> GO see fuse's homepage at
> http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~spccook/
> thanks.!!!!
And that has to do WHAT with Kurt's guitar skills?
-Artemy Kalinovsky'
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6511
A page about nothing, Nirvana bootlegs, and Happy Hour
> > Hi,
> > My names Ross and I'm the lead singer of an alternative band from london
> > called FUSE.
> > GO see fuse's homepage at
> >-snip-
> > thanks.!!!!
> And that has to do WHAT with Kurt's guitar skills?
It was just some shameless self promotion by "Ross." To learn more about shameless
self promotion, head to my .sig, and follow all the links.
...Now go listen to your HAPPY SONGS about FUN and FESTIVE things
punctuated by perfectly executed 64th notes and the JOYOUS 'bang!' of
you all blowing your own little minds away...
.A.
> The problem with all you you noodling gearheaded geeks is that you don't
> seem to realize that you are all dime-a-million shills whose only joys
> come from copy-copy-copying others whose speed-fueled pentatonic
> pyrotechnics are virtually devoid of any real talent themselves, let
> alone ONE FUCKING IOTA of ARTISTRY. The only widely-distributed medium
> that 99.99999999999 percent of you socially demented bedroom axe jockeys
> will ever be associated with is the milk carton you will be plastered on
> if you ever deign to venture into the outside world of reality... If
> mommy lets you, that is...
>
> ...Now go listen to your HAPPY SONGS about FUN and FESTIVE things
> punctuated by perfectly executed 64th notes and the JOYOUS 'bang!' of
> you all blowing your own little minds away...
Speaking of mindless, off-topic rambling....
>The problem with all you you noodling gearheaded geeks is that you don't
>seem to realize that you are all dime-a-million shills whose only joys
>come from copy-copy-copying others whose speed-fueled pentatonic
>pyrotechnics are virtually devoid of any real talent themselves, let
>alone ONE FUCKING IOTA of ARTISTRY. The only widely-distributed medium
>that 99.99999999999 percent of you socially demented bedroom axe jockeys
>will ever be associated with is the milk carton you will be plastered on
>if you ever deign to venture into the outside world of reality... If
>mommy lets you, that is...
>
>...Now go listen to your HAPPY SONGS about FUN and FESTIVE things
>punctuated by perfectly executed 64th notes and the JOYOUS 'bang!' of
>you all blowing your own little minds away...
TROLL! :-)
Ciao, Chris.
== Chris "veni vidi vixie" Wilson (the.jackal) cm...@cam.ac.uk ==
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Microsoft is the question.
NO (or Linux) is the answer.
(Taken from a .signature from someone from the UK, source unknown)
ftp://ftp.icce.rug.nl/pub/unix/linuxcookie.data
Whoever wrote this, I am ashamed that you would call yourself a
musician. Being a musician is not just playing music, it's an entire
way of life.. and one thing, above all, is support of others. You know,
do unto others as you would have them do unto you? I'm not saying you
have to like others music, but always be supportive.. in life, and in
death.
You wouldn't want someone saying stuff like that about you after you had
died, would you?
Todd
Are you serious ??
Kurt was the best thing to happen to music since hendrix.
Kurt Cobain was a beautiful person and a great song-writer, and
the world is a shittier place without him.
>Kurt smoked unflitered Camels. Now let's end this freakin stupid
>thread!!!!!!
I thought he smoked the end of a shotgun....unfiltered as well.
And he smoked dick too.
flapper...@thecore.com
(Take the "NO-SPAM" part off to e-mail me.)
lucky bitch. where'd he get dick? I cant find those anywhere anymore.
--
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Yes, he had a wonderful, quaint way of taking drugs, don't you agree?
And his fashion was beyond reproach...what with his second hand clothes,
and his technique of not washing his hair for a week at a time. And it
was even more wonderful when he blew his useless brains out (I'm not
kidding about this), and left his child fatherless, even though she's
much better off for it.
The sun still rises, the seasons still change, Rosanne is still fat, and
Billy Bob Clinton still gets blowjobs, even though Kurt's gone. He
wasn't the first loser to fear life and kill himself, and he won't be
the last. Get over it, and get a job.
Bullshit. What's so good about playing 4 chords? Tons of other bands
do the same thing, and they suck also.
Anyway, who cares what brand he smoked?
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the.jackal <cmw32 @ NOSPAM.cam.ac.uk> wrote in article
<34dc6c5d...@news.cl.cam.ac.uk>...
> Aaron <saa...@gte.net> wrote:
>
> >The problem with all you you noodling gearheaded geeks is that you don't
> >seem to realize that you are all dime-a-million shills whose only joys
> >come from copy-copy-copying others whose speed-fueled pentatonic
> >pyrotechnics are virtually devoid of any real talent themselves, let
<snip rambling tirade>
Is this guy saying Cobain played "speed-fuelled pentatonic
pyrotechnics"?????
Its GOTTA be a troll..............
>I dont think that was what whoever started the thread wanted to know *grins*
>fuck sometimes people crack me up
shit me.. this thread was running about a year ago when I last looked
at this group... GET A LIFE!!!
Granted, there are people out there who are mindless followers.
Granted, wanting to know what brand Kurdt smoked is a LITTLE
OBSESSIVE.
Granted, there ARE too many non-artists in the music industry.
BUT...
I, am not one of these people, and there are LOTS of people who are
not 'one of these people'.
Do you think you're the only one who thinks?
Do you think you're the only one who hates what 'pop' has
become?
And what is you're criticism of happy music?
Do you think the artist should limit his pallete to Sad colors?
Do you think it is impossible to both be a happy and a thinking
creature?
Do you think that the fundamental nature of the world is sadness
and to be happy is to be ignorant of that nature?
I DON'T
Evan
Aaron wrote:
>
> JG wrote:
> >
> > n...@digitalin.prestel.nospam.co.uk (NK) writes: > On Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:20:32 +1100, Mean Mr. Mustard wrote:
> > > >Who cares anyway? Kurt was just a big wanker and the biggest toss in the
> > > >world any way. He was the crappyest muso to walk the earth and i don't
> > > >care what anyone else thinks. He wrote sad, crappy songs and killed
> > > >himself. With the cult following (from other wankers) he had, he was a
> > > >looser to do all that stuff. Lot's of people looked up to him and
> > > >followed what he said. He caused LOTS of deaths and other wankerish
> > > >things.Well, thats what I think Anyway.
> > >
> > > Amen to that.
> > >
> > > -NK
> > right on brother!
> The problem with all you you noodling gearheaded geeks is that you don't
> seem to realize that you are all dime-a-million shills whose only joys
> come from copy-copy-copying others whose speed-fueled pentatonic
> pyrotechnics are virtually devoid of any real talent themselves, let
> alone ONE FUCKING IOTA of ARTISTRY. The only widely-distributed medium
> that 99.99999999999 percent of you socially demented bedroom axe jockeys
> will ever be associated with is the milk carton you will be plastered on
> if you ever deign to venture into the outside world of reality... If
> mommy lets you, that is...
>
> ...Now go listen to your HAPPY SONGS about FUN and FESTIVE things
> punctuated by perfectly executed 64th notes and the JOYOUS 'bang!' of
> you all blowing your own little minds away...
>
> .A.
******User Name Here******
Haywood_Jablowme <Haywood_...@mail.com> wrote in article
<34DF18...@mail.com>...
> brwr...@erols.com wrote:
> >
> > In article <34d60...@news.pacifier.com>,
> > "Jackson" <ptr...@pacifier.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Mean Mr. Mustard wrote in message
> > > <34D5BA0F...@smallbusiness.net.au>...
> > >
> > > >Kurt was just a big wanker and the biggest toss in the
> > > >world any way.
> >
Evan wrote:
The only thing that I think he did wrong was.......
He didn't get all the other wankers who play this type of shit, take those types of drugs, take them all out to a
big farm somewhere and invite the FBI to come and blow the place up.
IF he had we wouldn't have to put up with all those other morons that can only play 3 chords and call themselves
musicians!
> The only thing that I think he did wrong was.......
> He didn't get all the other wankers who play this type of shit, take those
> types of drugs, take them all out to a big farm somewhere and invite the
> FBI to come and blow the place up.
> IF he had we wouldn't have to put up with all those other morons that can
> only play 3 chords and call themselves musicians!
Music isn't about being the fastest or the best guitarplayer in the
world... Some of the best songs have only three or four simple chords,
but they're far better than anything that Vai, Satriani or Van Halen can
play...
--
Greets,
Lennaert
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no you're seeing things =)
I think I saw him smoked Marlboro lights (100's). Don't flame me for
this though.
It is just ironic that some people in this ng behaves. When there's
a player like Yngwie, who can play really fast, and is quite
popular/successful, they say that speed isn't everything, and shredding
is like guitar masturbation.
However, when a guy comes along with 3 chords and start getting #1
hits, these people bash him in that he is not a musician.
So, does being a musician require you to be omniscient about the
instrument, or is it enough if you can muster enough passion and emotion
(in your audience and urself) with your music? I think Kurt Cobain and
Nirvana achieved that, and lots of people were/are inspired by the music.
You can flame for the 3 paragraphs above, though.
Nik
Sure Nirvana was cool in their own right, and made that damn boston-style
four chord jam thing huge, but lets face it as a guitarist, not a musician,
he was nothing incredible. A musician, sure he was that. Wrote some mind
bending lyrics. But as a guitarist he really did lack in a lot of places.
As for Yngwie...he is a guiatarist. Through and through. Musician yes, but
you have to be into his style. He's not mere speed. He knows the neck,
inside out and round the sides.
Later
>
>I think I saw him smoked Marlboro lights (100's). Don't flame me for
>this though.
>
>
>
> It is just ironic that some people in this ng behaves. When there's
>a player like Yngwie, who can play really fast, and is quite
>popular/successful, they say that speed isn't everything, and shredding
>is like guitar masturbation.
>
> However, when a guy comes along with 3 chords and start getting #1
>hits, these people bash him in that he is not a musician.
>
> So, does being a musician require you to be omniscient about the
>instrument, or is it enough if you can muster enough passion and emotion
>(in your audience and urself) with your music? I think Kurt Cobain and
>Nirvana achieved that, and lots of people were/are inspired by the music.
>
> You can flame for the 3 paragraphs above, though.
>
>Nik
>
bravo. musicanship isn't about how many clapton and b.b. king (nothing
unagainst them, actually i've only heard 2 clapton and no bb so i
don't have any room to say anything on them) licks you can play or how
many chords you have memorized. it's about what comes from your heart
(or head).
"don't let anyone tell you what to do, never loosen up, and don't accept
plastic enemas from backstreet doctors. BE UPTIGHT."
Czar Casm
Mike
Grom_Helscream <sl...@nospam.ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in article
<34e69...@131.162.2.91>...
> > So, does being a musician require you to be omniscient about the
> >instrument, or is it enough if you can muster enough passion and emotion
> >(in your audience and urself) with your music? I think Kurt Cobain and
> >Nirvana achieved that, and lots of people were/are inspired by the
music.
>
> Sure Nirvana was cool in their own right, and made that damn boston-style
> four chord jam thing huge, but lets face it as a guitarist, not a
musician,
> he was nothing incredible. A musician, sure he was that. Wrote some
mind
> bending lyrics. But as a guitarist he really did lack in a lot of
places.
Agreed, but your missing a vital point to music. Arrangement. His solos
were nothing special but the songs as a whole were very good.
>
> As for Yngwie...he is a guiatarist. Through and through. Musician yes,
but
> you have to be into his style. He's not mere speed. He knows the neck,
> inside out and round the sides.
>
But in the end, who gives a fuck about Yngwie? Sure he is technically
brilliant, but as a performer and on CD's he bored the shit out of me. Only
another guitarist can appreciate Yngwie, but anyone can get into Nirvana's
catchy riffs.
Blaz
> Sure Nirvana was cool in their own right, and made that damn boston-style
> four chord jam thing huge, but lets face it as a guitarist, not a musician,
> he was nothing incredible. A musician, sure he was that. Wrote some mind
> bending lyrics. But as a guitarist he really did lack in a lot of places.
>
> As for Yngwie...he is a guiatarist. Through and through. Musician yes, but
> you have to be into his style. He's not mere speed. He knows the neck,
> inside out and round the sides.
Ygnwie is lame because his attitude sucks. Yes... his technical skills as a
giutar player are awesome. But even as a writer he does little more than string
together some very fast classical riffs from his upbringing. When I read Guitar
Player interviews where he claimed Eddie Van Halen ripped him off (lets see that
would have been when Eddie was in his 20's and Wingnut was a sperm cell...), I
really lost a lot of respect for him.
The rock arena is full of second rate guitar players who more than made up for
their lack of technical skills with their ability to wear their sould on their
fretboard. Look at Jimmy page. Creator of the guitar hook, one of the greatest
rock guitarists ever... and he'd be the first to tell you his playing was sloppy
as hell.
Wingnut scores near the bottom with me.
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>Grom_Helscream wrote:
>
>> Sure Nirvana was cool in their own right, and made that damn boston-style
>> four chord jam thing huge, but lets face it as a guitarist, not a musician,
>> he was nothing incredible. A musician, sure he was that. Wrote some mind
>> bending lyrics. But as a guitarist he really did lack in a lot of places.
>>
>> As for Yngwie...he is a guiatarist. Through and through. Musician yes, but
>> you have to be into his style. He's not mere speed. He knows the neck,
>> inside out and round the sides.
>
>Ygnwie is lame because his attitude sucks. Yes... his technical skills as a
>giutar player are awesome. But even as a writer he does little more than string
>together some very fast classical riffs from his upbringing. When I read Guitar
>Player interviews where he claimed Eddie Van Halen ripped him off (lets see that
>would have been when Eddie was in his 20's and Wingnut was a sperm cell...), I
>really lost a lot of respect for him.
You made an interesting point dude, I don't disclaim that Yngwie is
a great guitar player but I just can't deal with the fact he has an
ego the size of the Empire State Building and is totally in love with
himself. For that fact I'm turned off musically to all his stuff no
matter how good it is.
I guess this doesn't bother some people and they still get into his
music which is fine but I believe his ego trip has turned away alot of
people that might otherwise be fans. Just my opinion...
Now for my .02 on why Mr. Cobain after being dead for about 7 years
still drives people nuts on usenet. I think since many players out
there have guitar skills equal to or better than Kurt's they fall into
the classic "why him and not me" mentality. I mean I practice more
than Kurt did and he was on MTV and sold all those albums...oh poor
me...let me whine and cry some more on how much he sucked...
If the music press, media, and record companies are looking for a
certain type of band with a certain type of sound with a certain image
then it doesn't matter if they suck shit as players or not. They are
in like flint...Oh well, maybe your Mommies and Daddies never told you
life is not fair.
(Remember the bloke in the pub in Harry Enfield and Chums)
Oh Yngwie's alright. Id have no objection to him coming round my place and
having a few beers in front of the TV. But if he were to start coming on to
my wife , and monopolising my Ibanez RG to show off with his widdly paganini
riffs I should say OYE YNGWIE NOOOOOW , I admire your technical genius and
hi speed fretboard antics, I also admire your courage in keeping untamed
ferrets around the house. But just because your internationally known doesnt
mean you dont have to act your age.
Leave susie alone , put the guitar down and get out of my house.
(Unless you've watched british TV that paragraph wont make sense , it might
not even if you have watched brit TV)
On a more serious note. As a guitarist I can apreciate yngwies technical
genius. However his music has no feeling behind it and is just a bunch of
notes.
Not only that , but he is also an arrogant fat git and he acted like an arse
with my mates girlfriend.
-NK
Brian
> If the music press, media, and record companies are looking for a
> certain type of band with a certain type of sound with a certain image
> then it doesn't matter if they suck shit as players or not. They are
> in like flint...Oh well, maybe your Mommies and Daddies never told you
> life is not fair.
First of all it didn't happen like that. The fact was the record
companies went to Seattle AFTER most nowadays well-known "Grunge" (god
what an awful word) bands made their first (and more...) albums. So they
already MADE their own succes without the money. it was AFTER the big
Seattle bang that people without talent but with the right look were
picked off the street and got a contract.
Second...
I !DO! hope you don't mean bands like Nirvana / Mudhoney / Soundgarden
by this, since they really WORKED for their succes. Not many bands
nowadays that would take such risks as they did. Until you have gone to
extremes like these people have, don't EVER say it ain't fair they got
succes and you don't. I believe that people that really have talent and
are willing to do all in their power can always make it. Maybe not be a
big rockstar but to be able to live from your own music.
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Could you guys STOP posting this thread to alt.2600, it has NOTHING
to do with music. If you don't we'll crosspost all our flamewars
(of which there are many) to your groups. Thanks.
> Now for my .02 on why Mr. Cobain after being dead for about 7 years
Oh, come on! Everyone knows Kurt died way back in '45.
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climb a hill
Eat plenty of lasagna 'til you know
that you've had your fill
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MY .SIG
I'd like to fuck, but you're too dumb. Ain't it great being single and
young? - Mayonnaise & Malaise (Local H)
You're so PRETTY when you're unfaithful to me. - Bone Machine
(~Pixies)
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its cool that youd quote a lyric from such a good and obscure album as this (at
least in my area) but you have the track confused. though i cant remember what
song it is, since i only have a tape of the cd, without a track listing. this
quote is not from the local h song, mayonnaise & malaise. its from some other
one off the same album.
Gomer
The cryogenically frozen head of Walt Disney. Why don't you trade those
guitars for shovels? Oh no, they've killed Kenny! Rape the sky and rape the
sea, rape the Earth and eat with me. Check it out, it's hard, but it's not
hard! Spam
Okay, idiot. Gay does not always have to have a sexual conotation. Get
your mind off sex. And thank you for giving me permission to post. I'll
be sure to do so. By the way, you're gay.
> On Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:23:58 +0100, blaine <sp...@spam.spam> wrote:
>
> >Yngwie has written some good songs, sure, but he has also written some
> >really, really gay songs, such as "I Am A Viking." That is the gayest
> >song I have ever heard, and I can't believe any producer let it be
> >recorded.
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I have a lot of respect for Nirvana, and despite many of their
shortcomings, I like their music.
However, the effect they had on the popular music industry seems to be
(at least to me) mostly negative, much like the effect of Lucas's Star
Wars on the motion picture industry.
Now, nobody is satisfied with talent. The industry feels the need to
create "events" and is willing to let the music suffer for that.
It's a shame, really.
darius
FAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Let's all not forget what cigarettes are called in England...
>
> FAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ha ha. Cigarettes in England are called a word that also means
"homosexual". Really funny. Ha ha.
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> The Thinker wrote:
> >
> > Do you expect to be taken seriously? Obviously, songs don't have
> > sexual preferences. Seriously, though, post here more often. I'd like
> > to hear some more about these "gay" songs, if you hate them so much,
> > I'll make sure to get all the records that they're on.
>
> Okay, idiot. Gay does not always have to have a sexual conotation. Get
> your mind off sex. And thank you for giving me permission to post. I'll
> be sure to do so. By the way, you're gay.
Is that "gay" as in "homosexual", or as in "stupid"?
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"Iron helps us play!"
Al_Killeu <AlKi...@mail.com> wrote in article <34EB07...@mail.com>...
Heheheh... I like that idea.
Letsdoitletsdoitletsdoitletsdoit....
H.
Rage Matrix.
>Grom_Helscream wrote:
>>
>> > So, does being a musician require you to be omniscient about the
>> >instrument, or is it enough if you can muster enough passion and emotion
>> >(in your audience and urself) with your music? I think Kurt Cobain and
>> >Nirvana achieved that, and lots of people were/are inspired by the music.
>>
>> Sure Nirvana was cool in their own right, and made that damn boston-style
>> four chord jam thing huge, but lets face it as a guitarist, not a musician,
>> he was nothing incredible. A musician, sure he was that. Wrote some mind
>> bending lyrics. But as a guitarist he really did lack in a lot of places.
>>
>> As for Yngwie...he is a guiatarist. Through and through. Musician yes, but
>> you have to be into his style. He's not mere speed. He knows the neck,
>> inside out and round the sides.
>>
>> Later
>
>Could you guys STOP posting this thread to alt.2600, it has NOTHING
>to do with music. If you don't we'll crosspost all our flamewars
>(of which there are many) to your groups. Thanks.
Or better still, take it to the " I love gay musicians, and i want to shaft
their hairy asses" group.
Oh yeah, i better remember to say "Later", it is just such a cool way to say "
I'll see you tomorrow, my mutual wanking partner, here's all my love till
then...."
Words of love, destruction, and other synthetic delusions of the Electric Head...(White Zombie)
"Electronic information tampers with your soul....." (Babylon Zoo)
Plug and Play is what you do with vibrators.....
Exactly! And remember, Kurt had that line in that song, "I think I'm
just HAPPY..."
So, take into account that song, and the fact that he had no problem
with cigarettes (other wise known as "Fags") being in his mouth, and I'd
say that old Kurt was probably a peter-puffer in the first degree.
> Exactly! And remember, Kurt had that line in that song, "I think I'm
> just HAPPY..."
>
> So, take into account that song, and the fact that he had no problem
> with cigarettes (other wise known as "Fags") being in his mouth, and I'd
> say that old Kurt was probably a peter-puffer in the first degree.
Your problem solving deduction skills amaze me.
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