Why is Reznor a "Musical Genius"?

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Trauma

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Sep 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM9/23/99
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I have like Nine Inch Nails from the beginning and I certainly think
Reznor is creative and can write while but I am wondering what reasons
people give for calling him a musical genius?

My list of people who I think are musical geniuses would include the
following but not Reznor:

David Bowie
Prince
Peter Gabriel
Cevin Key

Asiteapart

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My list would be:

Trent Reznor (who else in this era of shitty rock?! 1989-)
David Bowie (1970s-)
Prince (1980s-)
Peter Gabriel (1980s-)
Cevin Key ?

i mean c'mon. Trent is one of a kind.

Omen of Death

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Asiteapart wrote:

Cevin Key is Skinny Puppy. Show respect for the kings of industrial
music.


dopefiend

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Because as far as musical awareness is concerned, he's a genius. I'd imagine
that regardless of what your music sounds like, composing songs on the scale
that Trent does is difficult. We're talking serious studio time here. He's
just as conceptual as those others you listed.

The only thing that Trent lacks for the most part is the ability to create
truly unique melodies. Just about every song on the fragile is a variant of
some pentatonic or blues scale. I can sit there with my guitar and play
along very easily to a lot of trent's tune, even jam out new melodic
harmonies that sound just as "genius" as trent's.

That being said, however, he *does* lay out exquisite harmonic and rhythmic
frameworks within which to work, truly unique and inspired bases of music
that very few of us could ever conceive of originally.

inri

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the lowly Asiteapart <asite...@aol.com> wrote:

> My list would be:
>
> Trent Reznor (who else in this era of shitty rock?! 1989-)

not many. i'd have to say billy corgan (1988-). but that's it.

> David Bowie (1970s-)

ok; just switch 1970-s to 1967-

> Peter Gabriel (1980s-)

his best work was between 69 and 75. i'd ammend that to 69-

> Cevin Key ?

1982-

> i mean c'mon. Trent is one of a kind.

musically, the guy is unparalleled nowadays. very few musicians have the
schooling nowadays needed to do stuff like he does.

my list would be:

gabriel, corgan, reznor, crompton, fripp, philip glass, john lennon, john
paul jones, roger waters, peter christopherson, jimi hendrix and brian eno.

of course this is only considering stuff since about 1960.

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> My list would be:
>
> Trent Reznor (who else in this era of shitty rock?! 1989-)

> David Bowie (1970s-)
> Prince (1980s-)
> Peter Gabriel (1980s-)
> Cevin Key ?
>

tak

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> fb1.aol.com...
> > My list would be:
> >
> > Trent Reznor (who else in this era of shitty rock?! 1989-)

unless you're talking about "musical geniuses" that can be seen on mtv,
the above is a rather naïve statement.

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Daryl Keleher

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I am a lurker here, but I must interject.....

I think that Reznor is a 'musical genious' because he is testing
unchartered waters......Also, one can tell how respected his music is as
evidenced by the number of bands that imitate his style......

My list of Musical geniouses:

Trent Reznor
Kurt Cobain (more lyrical than musical)
Brian Wilson
Geoff Barrow (Portishead) - as atmospheric as the Fragile is, nothing
comes close to his work....
David Bowie
Beck
Lennon / McCartney
Jim Morrison (like Cobain, more lyrically inclined)

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The Raoul Xemblinosky Experience

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Trauma wrote:
>
> I have like Nine Inch Nails from the beginning and I certainly think
> Reznor is creative and can write while but I am wondering what reasons
> people give for calling him a musical genius?

In a word... marketing.


> My list of people who I think are musical geniuses would include the
> following but not Reznor:
>
> David Bowie

Poseur. Why isn't he dead instead of Freddie Mercury?


> Prince

Used to be awesome, but now just a poseur.


> Peter Gabriel

Poseur. But he did get to fuck "Rosanna" from that Toto song.


> Cevin Key

Needs to learn how to spell his first name correctly.

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CMSpurple

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>musically, the guy is unparalleled nowadays. very few musicians have the
>schooling nowadays needed to do stuff like he does.

>my list would be:
>
>gabriel, corgan, reznor, crompton, fripp, philip glass, john lennon, john
>paul jones, roger waters, peter christopherson, jimi hendrix and brian eno.
>
>

Pretty damn good list. I agree with your assessment about his training ,but you
forgot to add that doing what Trent does takes an incredible amount of work.
The fact that everyone doesn't put out albums as well produced and sound like
his is because of the time/work it involves. Here's a guy who spent 6 months
learning hnow to use his studio before even beginning to write songs. (TDS)
I'm continually amazed how much better his songs sound on the radio. I drive an
Escort with the standard shitty Ford stereo in it,most of the music sound a tad
muddy or tinny when its playing,then a NIN song comes on and the speakers in my
car come totally alive for the first time. The difference between NIN songs and
everyone else's songs on my stereo is amazing.

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PaiN

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inri wrote in message ...

>my list would be:
>
>gabriel, corgan, reznor, crompton, fripp, philip glass, john lennon, john
>paul jones, roger waters, peter christopherson, jimi hendrix and brian eno.
>

>of course this is only considering stuff since about 1960.
>
>--
>inri


thanks for adding waters because i was about to :x
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Mr. Poopybutt

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Nice list. Those four are in the same realm. One person who can do it
all, and still express himself well. Artistically sound and interesting,
yet catchy and listenable (with the exception of some of cEvin's work...
Brilliant in its harshness.... but I digress). I think Trent fits into
that list quite well.


Trauma wrote:

> I have like Nine Inch Nails from the beginning and I certainly think
> Reznor is creative and can write while but I am wondering what reasons
> people give for calling him a musical genius?
>

> My list of people who I think are musical geniuses would include the
> following but not Reznor:
>
> David Bowie

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> philip glass


self-indulgent crap created by a pretentious ass and fawned over by NY
society that ate itself in the late 70's and refuses to fall down and
die?

god i wish a hole would open in the earth and swallow phillip glass.

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-stark- wrote:

> self-indulgent crap created by a pretentious ass and fawned over by NY
> society that ate itself in the late 70's and refuses to fall down and
> die?
>
> god i wish a hole would open in the earth and swallow phillip glass.

here here.

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> > philip glass

>
>
> self-indulgent crap created by a pretentious ass and fawned over by NY
> society that ate itself in the late 70's and refuses to fall down and
> die?
>
> god i wish a hole would open in the earth and swallow phillip glass.

bah!

people hate what they don't understand. philip glass is the mozart of the
20th century.

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Aaron Cypher

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>
>I have like Nine Inch Nails from the beginning and I certainly think
>Reznor is creative and can write while but I am wondering what reasons
>people give for calling him a musical genius?
>
>My list of people who I think are musical geniuses would include the
>following but not Reznor:
>
>David Bowie
>Prince
>Peter Gabriel
>Cevin Key
>
>

You forgot to add Richard D. James, aka Aphex Twin. He's basically the Czar of
Electronic...some of his stuff is off-beat, but when its on its really on. He's
worked with NiN by the way, but of course I bet a lot of you people know that.
Most of his music doesn't sound exactly like At the Heart of It All, but its
got that same kind of gritty industrial feel. But of course this is only on his
industrial songs(Ventolin, for example). He tends to do a variety of songs,
usually "drill and bass" or ambient, but he does really good pieces with
strings. Well, that's my two cents anyways...if you want to start off with a
good Aphex CD, I'd suggest picking up the Richard D. James album. Its probably
the easiest to find at your local record store. Also, the Come to Daddy single
may be to your likeing, as the title track is very harsh-metal-ish. Good stuff.
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Todd Clark

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A list of North American Twentieth Century composers/lyricists who in
my opinion qualify as musical geniuses would include the following:

Laurie Anderson
Adrian Belew
Peter Buffett
Joseph Byrd
John Cage
Leonard Cohen
Ornette Coleman
Consolidated
Chuck D
Miles Davis
Bob Dylan
Roky Erickson
Jimi Hendrix
Charles Ives
Al Jourgensen
Cevin Key
Jim Morrison
R. Carlos Nakai
Prince Nelson
Harry Partch
Sun Ra
Lou Reed
Residents
Silvestre Revueltas
Trent Reznor
Buffy Sainte-Marie
Grace Slick
Patti Smith
Phil Spector
Douglas Spotted Eagle
Michael Stearns
Don Van Vliet
Brian Wilson
Frank Zappa

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Mr. Poopybutt

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I would say "I care because you do..." would be more to the NIN area, but that's
just me. Richard D. James is good, but he's no genius.... not yet anyway. Doesn't
expand outside of electroica enough, and it's really the same drumloop/funny noise
music as everyone else, just well done. Think of all the ground the people in the
list of 'commonly accepted' genii have covered. Of course I only have 8 of his CDs
(I think there are like 40) what I have heard is remarkably the same thing redone.

Andy Bullock

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>>who else in this era of shitty rock?!<<

Like him or hate him...Billy Corgan. More so than Reznor even, if for
no other reason than his versatility.

Asiteapart wrote:

> My list would be:
>
> Trent Reznor (who else in this era of shitty rock?! 1989-)

Jeremiah

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>>>who else in this era of shitty rock?!<<
>
>Like him or hate him...Billy Corgan. More so than Reznor even, if for
>no other reason than his versatility.

i can't stand the smashing pumpkins. there music is, to me, uninspired and
pretentious. his voice is like fingernails on a blackboard. i'm happy they've
faded away.


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The Raoul Xemblinosky Experience wrote:

> Trauma wrote:
> >
> > I have like Nine Inch Nails from the beginning and I certainly think
> > Reznor is creative and can write while but I am wondering what reasons
> > people give for calling him a musical genius?
>

> In a word... marketing.


>
> > My list of people who I think are musical geniuses would include the
> > following but not Reznor:
> >
> > David Bowie
>

> Poseur. Why isn't he dead instead of Freddie Mercury?
>
> > Prince
>
> Used to be awesome, but now just a poseur.
>
> > Peter Gabriel
>
> Poseur. But he did get to fuck "Rosanna" from that Toto song.
>

Yes, but it was really just Gilda Radner.


>
> > Cevin Key
>
> Needs to learn how to spell his first name correctly.
>
> - J. Raoul Xemblinosky III ------------------- -- . --- .-- ---------
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The Raoul Xemblinosky Experience

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Usenet Performance Anxiety wrote:
>
> The Raoul Xemblinosky Experience wrote:
>
> > Trauma wrote:
> > >
> > > I have like Nine Inch Nails from the beginning and I certainly think
> > > Reznor is creative and can write while but I am wondering what reasons
> > > people give for calling him a musical genius?
> >
> > In a word... marketing.
> >
> > > My list of people who I think are musical geniuses would include the
> > > following but not Reznor:
> > >
> > > David Bowie
> >
> > Poseur. Why isn't he dead instead of Freddie Mercury?
> >
> > > Prince
> >
> > Used to be awesome, but now just a poseur.
> >
> > > Peter Gabriel
> >
> > Poseur. But he did get to fuck "Rosanna" from that Toto song.
> >
>
> Yes, but it was really just Gilda Radner.
>
> >
> > > Cevin Key
> >
> > Needs to learn how to spell his first name correctly.
> >
> > - J. Raoul Xemblinosky III ------------------- -- . --- .-- ---------
> > mhm 15x12 | "I have a gun in my head. I'm invisible. I CAN'T
> > KotAGoR 33 | FIND THE ICE. A slug. I'm TV. I hate." -KH, 1985
> > BELLOWER 13 | VOTE ------> http://www.freevote.com/booth/raoul
> > - http://extra.newsguy.com/~shpxurnq/ --------- a.f.k-m.n -----------
>
> Kirstin is one of my hero schizophrenics.

Artistically, Kristin Hersh is worth about fifty of Reznor. It says
something hideous about popular musical "tastes" that Reznor could
probably buy Kristin Hersh, her family, and her hometown fifty times
over.

Jeff Wasserman

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I want to add some to the list:

Tom Waits
Mike Patton
Steve Reich

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>>
>>I have like Nine Inch Nails from the beginning and I certainly think
>>Reznor is creative and can write while but I am wondering what reasons
>>people give for calling him a musical genius?
>>

>>My list of people who I think are musical geniuses would include the
>>following but not Reznor:
>>
>>David Bowie

jo...@amnin.com

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-stark- <j...@nospam.kenefick.net> wrote:

>> philip glass


> self-indulgent crap created by a pretentious ass and fawned over by NY
> society that ate itself in the late 70's and refuses to fall down and
> die?

> god i wish a hole would open in the earth and swallow phillip glass.

i don't quite get it... are you saying you *LIKE* phillip glass? oh.. ok... i'll be sure to put that on
the christmas list... i didn't know you were such a big fan!

;)

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>> philip glass

>self-indulgent crap created by a pretentious ass and fawned over by NY
>society that ate itself in the late 70's and refuses to fall down and
>die?
>
>god i wish a hole would open in the earth and swallow phillip glass.
>
>

Come on Stark, tell us how you really feel!
:)

CMSpurple

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>>I have like Nine Inch Nails from the beginning and I certainly think
>>Reznor is creative and can write while but I am wondering what reasons
>>people give for calling him a musical genius?

>My list of people who I think are musical geniuses would include the
>>following but not Reznor:
>>
>>David Bowie
>>Prince
>>Peter Gabriel
>>Cevin Key
>>

>You forgot to add Richard D. James, aka Aphex Twin. He's basically the Czar
>of
>Electronic...some of his stuff is off-beat, but when its on its really on.
>He's

Yeah,but he's not a genius. A genius implies doing things outside the box to a
certain degree. I like him too and he is very very talented ,but he's built
directly on top of the house that Eno built. BTW ,who are the genuine techno
pioneers?? Anybody??

tintin23x

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Jim
I am going to make you a tape/cd/whatever from the Philip Glass/Eno/Bowie remake of "Low"

that totally rules.

The thing to realize is that the group that Glass has playing with him never includes pre-programmed
sequences, all the "loops" are live. At least when they play live.
Now that you mention it, I think that Left (or is it RIGHT) sounds like Philip Glass' "1000 Airplanes on
the Roof"
At least the instrumental sections. I play some for you and you'll see or your head will explode.

Michael Nyman is maybe a little easier to listen to the first time out.
He does alot of soundtrack work, The Cook, The Thief, the Wife & Her Lover, The Draftman's Contract.

tintin23x
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jo...@amnin.com wrote:

> -stark- <j...@nospam.kenefick.net> wrote:
>
> >> philip glass
>
> > self-indulgent crap created by a pretentious ass and fawned over by NY
> > society that ate itself in the late 70's and refuses to fall down and
> > die?
>
> > god i wish a hole would open in the earth and swallow phillip glass.
>

BenjaminF

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NIN was the first band I ever heard use a drum machine in an
acceptable way. NIN was the first to use cool samples of tribal
dance shit in a way that didn't offend the ear.
Those disco cats with the simmons 'Boo boo boo boo!' drums
where the first techno pioneers n shit. Devo sucked so they
don't count. I hate Devo.


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Sorry but I think Roger Waters deserves a mention. IMHO no. 1

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Kzbuster

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Corgan is a musical genius

Jeremiah

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>> A list of North American Twentieth Century composers/lyricists who in
>> my opinion qualify as musical geniuses would include the following:
>>
>> Adrian Belew

>> Chuck D
>> Miles Davis
>> Bob Dylan
>> Jimi Hendrix
>> Charles Ives
>> Cevin Key
>> Jim Morrison
>> Lou Reed
>> Trent Reznor
>> Brian Wilson
Eric Clapton
Carlos Santana
Dave Matthews (lyrics, not so much as music)
Tim Reynolds

Ned 'the Nanite' Raggett

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The Raoul Xemblinosky Experience wrote:
>
> Artistically, Kristin Hersh is worth about fifty of Reznor. It says
> something hideous about popular musical "tastes" that Reznor could
> probably buy Kristin Hersh, her family, and her hometown fifty times
> over.

As I like them both very much, to the point of being near-obsessive
completist, I'd rather have the ability to buy both of them a drink
and to sit down over some good Vietnamese food. Far more entertaining.
;-)

Ned
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The Raoul Xemblinosky Experience

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To each their own, I guess. I've got just about everything Kristin
Hersh ever released, even the stuff I don't particularly care for,
because I feel called upon to support her work. I particularly
respect the fact that she is enough of a musician to sit up there
on stage - just one woman and just one guitar - and make a crowd
eat out of her hand. Let's see Reznor pull off something like that.

Humantech

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Trent not only make use of tool must people just make noise with but his
songs suck you in and he expresses his fells through his song like most
musican cannt. Prince does the same thing but I cant relate to him . Trents
feelings got straight to my core. Other dont! Thats why!

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> I want to add some to the list:
>
> Tom Waits
> Mike Patton
> Steve Reich
>
>
>
> ----------
> In article <19990924112034...@ng-fr1.aol.com>,

> obsid...@aol.comWockawah (Aaron Cypher) wrote:
>
>
> >>
> >>I have like Nine Inch Nails from the beginning and I certainly think
> >>Reznor is creative and can write while but I am wondering what reasons
> >>people give for calling him a musical genius?
> >>
> >>My list of people who I think are musical geniuses would include the
> >>following but not Reznor:
> >>
> >>David Bowie
> >>Prince
> >>Peter Gabriel
> >>Cevin Key
> >>
> >>
> >
> > You forgot to add Richard D. James, aka Aphex Twin. He's basically the
Czar of
> > Electronic...some of his stuff is off-beat, but when its on its really
on.
> He's

Mr. Poopybutt

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...and Kurt. Does anyone not know who I'm talking about? exactly.

Kelly wrote:

> Sorry but I think Roger Waters deserves a mention. IMHO no. 1
>
> Todd Clark <tama...@helicon.net> wrote in article
> <7sgtkh$qc2$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...

> > A list of North American Twentieth Century composers/lyricists who in

> > my opinion qualify as musical geniuses would include the following:
> >
> > Laurie Anderson
> > Adrian Belew
> > Peter Buffett
> > Joseph Byrd
> > John Cage
> > Leonard Cohen
> > Ornette Coleman
> > Consolidated

> > Chuck D
> > Miles Davis
> > Bob Dylan

Tim Laushman

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someone please recommend a good Adrian Belew/ whatever prog-rock band he was
in- album. Thanks!
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Todd Clark

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