My list of people who I think are musical geniuses would include the
following but not Reznor:
David Bowie
Prince
Peter Gabriel
Cevin Key
Trent Reznor (who else in this era of shitty rock?! 1989-)
David Bowie (1970s-)
Prince (1980s-)
Peter Gabriel (1980s-)
Cevin Key ?
i mean c'mon. Trent is one of a kind.
Asiteapart wrote:
Cevin Key is Skinny Puppy. Show respect for the kings of industrial
music.
The only thing that Trent lacks for the most part is the ability to create
truly unique melodies. Just about every song on the fragile is a variant of
some pentatonic or blues scale. I can sit there with my guitar and play
along very easily to a lot of trent's tune, even jam out new melodic
harmonies that sound just as "genius" as trent's.
That being said, however, he *does* lay out exquisite harmonic and rhythmic
frameworks within which to work, truly unique and inspired bases of music
that very few of us could ever conceive of originally.
> My list would be:
>
> Trent Reznor (who else in this era of shitty rock?! 1989-)
not many. i'd have to say billy corgan (1988-). but that's it.
> David Bowie (1970s-)
ok; just switch 1970-s to 1967-
> Peter Gabriel (1980s-)
his best work was between 69 and 75. i'd ammend that to 69-
> Cevin Key ?
1982-
> i mean c'mon. Trent is one of a kind.
musically, the guy is unparalleled nowadays. very few musicians have the
schooling nowadays needed to do stuff like he does.
my list would be:
gabriel, corgan, reznor, crompton, fripp, philip glass, john lennon, john
paul jones, roger waters, peter christopherson, jimi hendrix and brian eno.
of course this is only considering stuff since about 1960.
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> My list would be:
>
> Trent Reznor (who else in this era of shitty rock?! 1989-)
> David Bowie (1970s-)
> Prince (1980s-)
> Peter Gabriel (1980s-)
> Cevin Key ?
>
unless you're talking about "musical geniuses" that can be seen on mtv,
the above is a rather naïve statement.
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I am a lurker here, but I must interject.....
I think that Reznor is a 'musical genious' because he is testing
unchartered waters......Also, one can tell how respected his music is as
evidenced by the number of bands that imitate his style......
My list of Musical geniouses:
Trent Reznor
Kurt Cobain (more lyrical than musical)
Brian Wilson
Geoff Barrow (Portishead) - as atmospheric as the Fragile is, nothing
comes close to his work....
David Bowie
Beck
Lennon / McCartney
Jim Morrison (like Cobain, more lyrically inclined)
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In a word... marketing.
> My list of people who I think are musical geniuses would include the
> following but not Reznor:
>
> David Bowie
Poseur. Why isn't he dead instead of Freddie Mercury?
> Prince
Used to be awesome, but now just a poseur.
> Peter Gabriel
Poseur. But he did get to fuck "Rosanna" from that Toto song.
> Cevin Key
Needs to learn how to spell his first name correctly.
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>my list would be:
>
>gabriel, corgan, reznor, crompton, fripp, philip glass, john lennon, john
>paul jones, roger waters, peter christopherson, jimi hendrix and brian eno.
>
>
Pretty damn good list. I agree with your assessment about his training ,but you
forgot to add that doing what Trent does takes an incredible amount of work.
The fact that everyone doesn't put out albums as well produced and sound like
his is because of the time/work it involves. Here's a guy who spent 6 months
learning hnow to use his studio before even beginning to write songs. (TDS)
I'm continually amazed how much better his songs sound on the radio. I drive an
Escort with the standard shitty Ford stereo in it,most of the music sound a tad
muddy or tinny when its playing,then a NIN song comes on and the speakers in my
car come totally alive for the first time. The difference between NIN songs and
everyone else's songs on my stereo is amazing.
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>my list would be:
>
>gabriel, corgan, reznor, crompton, fripp, philip glass, john lennon, john
>paul jones, roger waters, peter christopherson, jimi hendrix and brian eno.
>
>of course this is only considering stuff since about 1960.
>
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thanks for adding waters because i was about to :x
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Trauma wrote:
> I have like Nine Inch Nails from the beginning and I certainly think
> Reznor is creative and can write while but I am wondering what reasons
> people give for calling him a musical genius?
>
> My list of people who I think are musical geniuses would include the
> following but not Reznor:
>
> David Bowie
self-indulgent crap created by a pretentious ass and fawned over by NY
society that ate itself in the late 70's and refuses to fall down and
die?
god i wish a hole would open in the earth and swallow phillip glass.
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> self-indulgent crap created by a pretentious ass and fawned over by NY
> society that ate itself in the late 70's and refuses to fall down and
> die?
>
> god i wish a hole would open in the earth and swallow phillip glass.
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You forgot to add Richard D. James, aka Aphex Twin. He's basically the Czar of
Electronic...some of his stuff is off-beat, but when its on its really on. He's
worked with NiN by the way, but of course I bet a lot of you people know that.
Most of his music doesn't sound exactly like At the Heart of It All, but its
got that same kind of gritty industrial feel. But of course this is only on his
industrial songs(Ventolin, for example). He tends to do a variety of songs,
usually "drill and bass" or ambient, but he does really good pieces with
strings. Well, that's my two cents anyways...if you want to start off with a
good Aphex CD, I'd suggest picking up the Richard D. James album. Its probably
the easiest to find at your local record store. Also, the Come to Daddy single
may be to your likeing, as the title track is very harsh-metal-ish. Good stuff.
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Jim Morrison
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Residents
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Trent Reznor
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Grace Slick
Patti Smith
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Don Van Vliet
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Before you buy.
Like him or hate him...Billy Corgan. More so than Reznor even, if for
no other reason than his versatility.
Asiteapart wrote:
> My list would be:
>
> Trent Reznor (who else in this era of shitty rock?! 1989-)
i can't stand the smashing pumpkins. there music is, to me, uninspired and
pretentious. his voice is like fingernails on a blackboard. i'm happy they've
faded away.
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The Raoul Xemblinosky Experience wrote:
> Trauma wrote:
> >
> > I have like Nine Inch Nails from the beginning and I certainly think
> > Reznor is creative and can write while but I am wondering what reasons
> > people give for calling him a musical genius?
>
> In a word... marketing.
>
> > My list of people who I think are musical geniuses would include the
> > following but not Reznor:
> >
> > David Bowie
>
> Poseur. Why isn't he dead instead of Freddie Mercury?
>
> > Prince
>
> Used to be awesome, but now just a poseur.
>
> > Peter Gabriel
>
> Poseur. But he did get to fuck "Rosanna" from that Toto song.
>
Yes, but it was really just Gilda Radner.
>
> > Cevin Key
>
> Needs to learn how to spell his first name correctly.
>
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Artistically, Kristin Hersh is worth about fifty of Reznor. It says
something hideous about popular musical "tastes" that Reznor could
probably buy Kristin Hersh, her family, and her hometown fifty times
over.
Tom Waits
Mike Patton
Steve Reich
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In article <19990924112034...@ng-fr1.aol.com>,
obsid...@aol.comWockawah (Aaron Cypher) wrote:
>>
>>I have like Nine Inch Nails from the beginning and I certainly think
>>Reznor is creative and can write while but I am wondering what reasons
>>people give for calling him a musical genius?
>>
>>My list of people who I think are musical geniuses would include the
>>following but not Reznor:
>>
>>David Bowie
>> philip glass
> self-indulgent crap created by a pretentious ass and fawned over by NY
> society that ate itself in the late 70's and refuses to fall down and
> die?
> god i wish a hole would open in the earth and swallow phillip glass.
i don't quite get it... are you saying you *LIKE* phillip glass? oh.. ok... i'll be sure to put that on
the christmas list... i didn't know you were such a big fan!
;)
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>self-indulgent crap created by a pretentious ass and fawned over by NY
>society that ate itself in the late 70's and refuses to fall down and
>die?
>
>god i wish a hole would open in the earth and swallow phillip glass.
>
>
Come on Stark, tell us how you really feel!
:)
>My list of people who I think are musical geniuses would include the
>>following but not Reznor:
>>
>>David Bowie
>>Prince
>>Peter Gabriel
>>Cevin Key
>>
>You forgot to add Richard D. James, aka Aphex Twin. He's basically the Czar
>of
>Electronic...some of his stuff is off-beat, but when its on its really on.
>He's
Yeah,but he's not a genius. A genius implies doing things outside the box to a
certain degree. I like him too and he is very very talented ,but he's built
directly on top of the house that Eno built. BTW ,who are the genuine techno
pioneers?? Anybody??
that totally rules.
The thing to realize is that the group that Glass has playing with him never includes pre-programmed
sequences, all the "loops" are live. At least when they play live.
Now that you mention it, I think that Left (or is it RIGHT) sounds like Philip Glass' "1000 Airplanes on
the Roof"
At least the instrumental sections. I play some for you and you'll see or your head will explode.
Michael Nyman is maybe a little easier to listen to the first time out.
He does alot of soundtrack work, The Cook, The Thief, the Wife & Her Lover, The Draftman's Contract.
tintin23x
He's always got something to say
jo...@amnin.com wrote:
> -stark- <j...@nospam.kenefick.net> wrote:
>
> >> philip glass
>
> > self-indulgent crap created by a pretentious ass and fawned over by NY
> > society that ate itself in the late 70's and refuses to fall down and
> > die?
>
> > god i wish a hole would open in the earth and swallow phillip glass.
>
NIN was the first band I ever heard use a drum machine in an
acceptable way. NIN was the first to use cool samples of tribal
dance shit in a way that didn't offend the ear.
Those disco cats with the simmons 'Boo boo boo boo!' drums
where the first techno pioneers n shit. Devo sucked so they
don't count. I hate Devo.
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Todd Clark <tama...@helicon.net> wrote in article
<7sgtkh$qc2$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
As I like them both very much, to the point of being near-obsessive
completist, I'd rather have the ability to buy both of them a drink
and to sit down over some good Vietnamese food. Far more entertaining.
;-)
Ned
ned wondering -- what a surprise! -- at kuci.org
To each their own, I guess. I've got just about everything Kristin
Hersh ever released, even the stuff I don't particularly care for,
because I feel called upon to support her work. I particularly
respect the fact that she is enough of a musician to sit up there
on stage - just one woman and just one guitar - and make a crowd
eat out of her hand. Let's see Reznor pull off something like that.
Jeff Wasserman <J_Was...@admin.fandm.edu> wrote in message
news:37ebb...@newsrvr.fandm.edu...
> I want to add some to the list:
>
> Tom Waits
> Mike Patton
> Steve Reich
>
>
>
> ----------
> In article <19990924112034...@ng-fr1.aol.com>,
> obsid...@aol.comWockawah (Aaron Cypher) wrote:
>
>
> >>
> >>I have like Nine Inch Nails from the beginning and I certainly think
> >>Reznor is creative and can write while but I am wondering what reasons
> >>people give for calling him a musical genius?
> >>
> >>My list of people who I think are musical geniuses would include the
> >>following but not Reznor:
> >>
> >>David Bowie
> >>Prince
> >>Peter Gabriel
> >>Cevin Key
> >>
> >>
> >
> > You forgot to add Richard D. James, aka Aphex Twin. He's basically the
Czar of
> > Electronic...some of his stuff is off-beat, but when its on its really
on.
> He's
Kelly wrote:
> Sorry but I think Roger Waters deserves a mention. IMHO no. 1
>
> Todd Clark <tama...@helicon.net> wrote in article
> <7sgtkh$qc2$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> > A list of North American Twentieth Century composers/lyricists who in
> > my opinion qualify as musical geniuses would include the following:
> >
> > Laurie Anderson
> > Adrian Belew
> > Peter Buffett
> > Joseph Byrd
> > John Cage
> > Leonard Cohen
> > Ornette Coleman
> > Consolidated
> > Chuck D
> > Miles Davis
> > Bob Dylan
He has recorded with all of the following: Laurie Anderson, David
Bowie, King Crimson, Nine Inch Nails, Talking Heads, and Frank Zappa,
as well as releasing seven or more solo albums, the best of which were
only on vinyl.
My personal favorite for CD is "THRaKaTTaK" (King Crimson, 1996) and
for DVD is "deja VROOOM" (King Crimson, 1999).
"deja VROOOM" is an incredibly technologically advanced interactive
video disc that pushes its medium to new heights in addition to
containing just about the best and most adventuresome musicianship
available anywhere.
king crimson.
talking heads.
solo work.
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All Trent has to do is go on stage somewhere, and surely there'll
be enough fans willing to eat out of any part of his body... but I
need not go into further detail.
Even his syphlitic anus?
inri wrote in message <7PIH3.55125$aX6....@news20.bellglobal.com>...
>
>> someone please recommend a good Adrian Belew/ whatever prog-rock band he
>was
>> in- album. Thanks!
>
>king crimson.
>talking heads.
>solo work.
>
>
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>
>
He did some great work on Laurie Anderson's "Sharkey's Day"
William S Burroughs is on there too :)
he played guitar.
> Ahh yes, King Crimson... so what is their finest album?
imo...'in the court of the crimson king'.
but that's just my opinion.
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> >> Todd Clark <tama...@helicon.net> wrote in article
> >> <7sgtkh$qc2$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>
> <snip>
>
> >> > Lou Reed
>
> Sorry to quickly bleed off into the off-topic, but I saw this and laughed.
>
> Don't you think John Cale should have made this list before Lou Reed? Ha.
what about Grace Slick??? has she even recorded anything decent while
sober/lucid?
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