So the new single's playing, and . . .
Matthew M. Nordan
. . . and it's weird.
From the advance word i'd read on this newsgroup, i expected "March of the
Pigs" to be a carbon copy of "Wish"--it's not. The odd time signature
took a few listenings to get used to (is it 7/4?) but i expected that
after _Broken_. The piano breaks at first seemed cheesy, and still do to
some extent--i think they would be more relevant to me if i understood the
lyrics enough to know what the song was really about.
"Reptilian" is ridiculously long but not at all boring. If i understand
it right, track 1 is the original "March of the Pigs", 3 is a remix of
said song, and 2, 4, and 5 are all reconstructions of "Reptile", which i
am now dying to hear the original of.
BTW, did anybody else get any nifty promo items from their local record
store? There was a nice stack of postcards (no lie) with the _DS_ NiN
logo and the words "nin inch nails: the downward spiral" on the front,
which i judiciously grabbed a couple of.
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> .. . . and it's weird.
Agreed.
> From the advance word i'd read on this newsgroup, i expected "March of the
> Pigs" to be a carbon copy of "Wish"--it's not.
Agreed, again. People, "Wish" is a heckuvalot more structured and, in my opinion, a
bit harder.
> The odd time signature
> took a few listenings to get used to (is it 7/4?) but i expected that
> after _Broken_. The piano breaks at first seemed cheesy, and still do to
> some extent--i think they would be more relevant to me if i understood the
> lyrics enough to know what the song was really about.
I think the piano breaks are quite refreshing. I couldn't hear the song ending in any
other way, except the way it has been recorded.
> "Reptilian" is ridiculously long but not at all boring. If i understand
> it right, track 1 is the original "March of the Pigs", 3 is a remix of
> said song, and 2, 4, and 5 are all reconstructions of "Reptile", which i
> am now dying to hear the original of.
I have your back completely on this. The 8 minute, some-odd second "Reptilian" is
nothing but an auditory assault; this is not a bad thing, but rather a very pleasantly
enjoyable experience. I tried counting the number of different sounds Trent uses in
this particular track, and couldn't. . .Still, the man has a tremendous sense for
what I like to call "sound movement" (I guess they call that rhythm, right?). . .
> BTW, did anybody else get any nifty promo items from their local record
> store? There was a nice stack of postcards (no lie) with the _DS_ NiN
> logo and the words "nin inch nails: the downward spiral" on the front,
> which i judiciously grabbed a couple of.
So, write me a letter already and send me one. Sound Familiar is having some kind of
"Midnight Madness" type deal on March 7th for DS. . .Giving away wall-size posters,
etc. If I don't win one, I'm going to buy one.
The single has restored my faith in Trent, though. You guys spread too many rumors. Cut it out.
Patiently awaiting _The_Downward_Spiral_ and any paraphanelia (you spell it your way,
I'll spell it mine) that may accompany it's release. . .
Ha.
Nathaniel D. Daw
Matthew M. Nordan <mno...@minerva.cis.yale.edu> wrote:
>From the advance word i'd read on this newsgroup, i expected "March of the
>Pigs" to be a carbon copy of "Wish"--it's not. The odd time signature
>took a few listenings to get used to (is it 7/4?)
7/8. 7/8 ... 7/8? There hasn't been a pop song in 7/8 since ... since ...
since ... Pink Floyd's "Money." The conspiracy continues...
I think it's in 7/8 anyway; it's so fast that it's hard to count. The remix is
definitely in 4/4 though, even though they pull the "Shore-Lined Poison" trick
of dropping the snare at the end of the measure to make it sound like a beat
skips.
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Flipper The Dolphin
of Rush's "Subdivisions"... it counts as follows (I'm a drummer)
1234 1234 1234 12
1234 1234 1234 12
Etc... normal 4/4 songs go
1234 1234 1234 1234
1234 1234 1234 1234
It makes it a bit of a bitch, but oh well. Money, I believe is in 7/4.
- Flip
Jon Anhold
Nathaniel D. Daw <nd...@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>7/8. 7/8 ... 7/8? There hasn't been a pop song in 7/8 since ... since ...
>since ... Pink Floyd's "Money." The conspiracy continues...
Well, on Yes' album 90125, the song _Changes_ goes from 2 bars of 7/8
to a bar of 10/8... pretty cool.
-j
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Jon Anhold
Flipper The Dolphin <tal...@ccat.sas.upenn.edu> wrote:
>Pink Floyd's Money isn't in 7/8 - A demo of 7/8 would be the beginning
>of Rush's "Subdivisions"... it counts as follows (I'm a drummer)
>
>1234 1234 1234 12
>1234 1234 1234 12
1234 123 would be 7/8..
>
>Etc... normal 4/4 songs go
>
>1234 1234 1234 1234
>1234 1234 1234 1234
>
>It makes it a bit of a bitch, but oh well. Money, I believe is in 7/4.
7/4... hmm. it would count the same, just be written differently... i
can't even think why anyone would want to write something in 7/4 as
opposed to 7/8...
-j
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Jon Anhold
Jon Anhold <jgan...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
Hmm.. let me correct some of this...
>1234 123 would be 7/8..
Actually, 7/8 would be 12 12 123 or 123 12 12...i guess that could be
what I originally said too... :)
>7/4... hmm. it would count the same, just be written differently... i
>can't even think why anyone would want to write something in 7/4 as
>opposed to 7/8...
I guess that's not totally true... it would just be written with the
quarter note getting the beat... still, I don't think I've ever
seen/heard music written in 7/4... 5/4 yes, 7/4.. don't think so...
(9/8 is cool too.. 12 12 12 123 or a few variations..
like 12 123 12 12 etc..)
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well, as a sort of aside, Primus's song _Eleven_ is written in 11/4.
bot that that answeres questions about _7/4_, but you know.
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: since ... Pink Floyd's "Money." The conspiracy continues...
: I think it's in 7/8 anyway; it's so fast that it's hard to count. The remix is
: definitely in 4/4 though, even though they pull the "Shore-Lined Poison" trick
: of dropping the snare at the end of the measure to make it sound like a beat
: skips.
If you can count fast enough, and apparently my drummer can, the song is
in 15/8 or 15/16. We're not sure which. Anyway, there are 15 beats to
some number of counts.
Re: 7/4 - Yes there are songs written in this meter. Check out some of
Rush's earlier stuff. They did a complete song in 7/4, I just can't
remember which one.
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Flipper The Dolphin
>In article <2ktggi$o...@netnews.upenn.edu>,
Ah, the subtleties of being a drummer - count the 16th notes, that's how
drummers usually count - the hi hat hits. Listen to Rush's subdivisions,
and follow the chart I wrote below.
- Flip
Daniel Takeo Arai
>I guess that's not totally true... it would just be written with the
>quarter note getting the beat... still, I don't think I've ever
>seen/heard music written in 7/4... 5/4 yes, 7/4.. don't think so...
>(9/8 is cool too.. 12 12 12 123 or a few variations..
>like 12 123 12 12 etc..)
I've played stuff in 7/4 (I'm a cellist, so this is classical/full orchestra
stuff, not rock guitar/drums/bass/keyboard stuff.) Greensleves, I think
it was so it does happen.
Wouldn't 9/8 normally be 123 123 123? Like 6/8? Hmm...
Dan.
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Jon Anhold
Daniel Takeo Arai <dan...@leland.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
>I've played stuff in 7/4 (I'm a cellist, so this is classical/full orchestra
>stuff, not rock guitar/drums/bass/keyboard stuff.) Greensleves, I think
>it was so it does happen.
>
>Wouldn't 9/8 normally be 123 123 123? Like 6/8? Hmm...
well, if you played it straight it would be 123 123 123, but most
stuff I've seen in 9/8 is funky jazz stuff that counts:
12 12 12 123 or 12 123 12 12, etc..
there are endless variations... :)
-j
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