Kurt Cobain's Downward Spiral
Wai Cheng
Um...as most of you might of heard, Kurt Cobain of Nirvana died today. I
found out while eating dinner at my dorm. I know many of you might dislike
Nirvana because of how big they've become...or the type of music they played.
But I for one admit that Nirvana and NIN are two of my favorite bands...
because they had much in common.. Both are hard "alternative" bands that
broke out from the "underground" and spoke to a generation.
Indeed, both Kurt Cobain and Trent Reznor have much in common... both
where somewhat fucked-up personalties that lead (or should I say Dictated?)
bands that have very similar messages. Both are around the same age, 28 and
both bands started around the same time, 1989. Of course, both bands have
become very popular, though neither Trent or Kurt wanted them to.. I have read
several interviews where trent mentions and compares himself to Kurt Cobain an
Nirvana's situation(both A.P. interviews). The recent book "Manic Pop Thrill",
which covers the history of "alternative" music goes into a lengthy comparison
of the two bands and individuals. The obvious difference between the bands
are the so-called "industrial" and "grunge" titles that the press has labeled
them. Interestingly, while both bands are said to be the "leaders" of their
music catagories, both deny and dislike their "classification". Indeed, both
bands have been "raped" by record labels and the press and have lost much of
their "underground" fandom. Yet both individuals have reached the level
of icons and idols of the 1990's youth.
It almost is shockingly appropriate that the NIN title Track "the Downward
Spiral" describes exactly how Kurt Cobain commited suicide...
"he couldn't believe how easy it was
he put a gun into his face
Bang!
(so much blood for such a tiny litle hole)
problems have solutions
a lifetime of fucking things up fixed in one determined flash..."
just my thoughts,
-Wai
"lose me....hate me....smash me...erase me..."
-Trent Reznor
"rape me....hate me....waste me...taste me..."
-Kurt Cobain, R.I.P.- 1994
c. spencer yeh
--"Francis Farmer..."
Both are and were good songwriters, which set themselves up above the rest of
their peers. Good lyricists, too.
--
"...promise me there'll be no ending..."
c.s.y.
Susan Roston
I find myself wondering if cobain did this for other reasons than just
depression.
first of all, ever since I realized which label nirvana was on, I always got
to thinking "FROM THE PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT YOU TIFFANY, DGC PRESENTS NIRVANA!!!"
well, I wonder if this guy got so fed up with himself for turning punk rock
into what he did, that he did it for that reason. hell, if I were trent I
would feel the same way when so many people listen to PHM and Broken and are
deluded into thinking they are into industrial.
this guy had to see his face and hear his name all over the place. he played
that one song at the end of the unplugged session and they booed him becuase
it wasn't the usual nirvana style.
I don't like nirvana much, I bought nevermind about 2 weeks before mtv raped
it. but it only stuck with me for about amonth before I got bored with it and
gave it to a friend. as is, I wonder if cobain hated how his music, while
trying in some way to express openness of the mind created, or facilitated so
many close-minded people.
eddie vedder would probably feel the same way.
as one friend of mine likes to say, all these little suburan girls and such
are in love with there guys who they think are so wonderful when they turn out
to be drug addicts, etc.
don't you get to wondering about how many people all over this blight of a
country are going to be mourning this??
a popular music star??
they will actually in some way mourn him.
if I sold off punk rock to the MTV generation(who even came up with grunge as
their new word to form fit it), I would probably hate myself.
I would not be surprised if reznor and vedder and all of these others felt
like this.
when was the last time you saw a drunk on the cover of Time magazine who
WASN'T a politician or a movie star??
these people are what they don't want to be, and they know they can't get out
of it, except by letting themselves go broke.
I would hate myself too.
I think cobain was a brave guy for what he did really. a martyr for punk
really, not "alternative" or whatever the hell it has become, and certainly
not for his following.
as jello biafra said, and this is a paraphrase
"record companies gave pearl jam, nirvana and the like all of this money to
get white suburbanite kids away from rap."
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mike roston
MegaZone
> It almost is shockingly appropriate that the NIN title Track "the Downward
>Spiral" describes exactly how Kurt Cobain commited suicide...
>
>"he couldn't believe how easy it was
>he put a gun into his face
>Bang!
>(so much blood for such a tiny litle hole)
Other than the fact that Kurt used a 12-gauge shotgun. I have a feeling it
wasn't a 'tiny hole'. Depends on whether it was shot or a slug... But it
would still be messy.
Hey, suicide is harsh reality.
I'm waiting to see what the note said, if the police ever release it.
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geoffrey elliott
: wasn't a 'tiny hole'. Depends on whether it was shot or a slug... But it
: would still be messy.
: Hey, suicide is harsh reality.
: I'm waiting to see what the note said, if the police ever release it.
this isn't exactly directed to megazone, but rather to the
original poster:
i'm sorry, but i feel no sorrow at cobain's suicide. what
respect i had for nirvana is gone. i can not and will not
respect somebody killing themself. i don't have half the
things to live for that cobain did (a beautiful wife and
child, amazing talent, etc.) life has it's problems.
and people need to deal with that. many times, it seems
like it would be easier to just give up and die, but it
doesn't work that way. death is just a way of running
away - it doesn't solve the problems, it just passes them
on to the people you care about. tommorrow i sell my
nirvana cds to the used record store and collect my $4.00
each.
And if Trent Reznor ever killed himself, i would destroy
everybit of NIN stuff that i have. i respect trent because
he deals with his pain honestly. he gets it out. he lives
his life. and even when things seem like shit to him he
still has himself. trent at least has some respect for
himself as a person - and he knows that his life is valuable
even if it is only to himself.
if cobain didn't respect himself, and obviously he didn't,
i can not respect him.
suicide is NOT the answer.
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And I thought this newsgroup might be spared the mentioning of
Kurt's death....I've been in sensory overload - MtV has been
showing Unplugged all day the radio stations are playing Nirvana
and mainstream news programs are too depressing to sit through it
and find out if they mention it....
Now I'm off to alt.music.nirvana to see how many millions of posts
there are about this................
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Wai Cheng
: : Other than the fact that Kurt used a 12-gauge shotgun. I have a feeling it
:hhhmmm...I respect you comments... I do not believe in suicide, and don't like
the fact that he commited suicide. It is obviously not the answer. He let me
and many fans down. But I still respect him. Imean, do you respect Ian Curtis?
He offed himself, also. Yet Trent obviously respects Ian... "Dead Souls" is an
honest and respectful cover of Ian Curtis. Do you have any Joy Division CDs?
Do you respect Jeff Ward, who commited suicide? Trent does- last words in DS
booklet- "we miss you Jeff Ward"
Listen to the lyrics...Trent seems to deal with suicide a lot:
"Head like a hole, I'd rather die than give you control"
"26 years on my way to hell"
"smashed up all that was true...gonna smash myself"
"i drag you down I use you up...Mr. Self Destruct"
"and so sick I am...and maybe i don't have a choice... and maybe that is all
I have...and maybe this is a cry for help... I do not want this."
"problems have solutions...a lifetime of fucking things up fixed in one
determined flash"
indeed, you are right in that though trent's lyrics are rather 'deathly' they
have a strange sense of hope too. But just don't think that Trent is
completely non-suicidal... he would agree with me, I bet. Suicide does suck..
consider everything...
later.
Ian Muir Duckles
If one will recall it took them some time to identify the body which leads me
to believe that they body they found was not in pretty shape.
Ian
Daniel Stuart Peters
think that living is easy. You can always say that there's going to be a
tomorrow. No matter how bad things are, there is the opportunity for them to
get better. Cobain had the courage to say that he couldn't wait until
tomorrow. He lived for today, and did his best to end the pain of day to day
living. He's hardly a her for killing himself. He leaves his daughter
fatherless, and his bandmates out in the cold. Nevertheless, the man was
genuine, and obviously felt what he wrote. I don't think he killed himself
because he ruined punk. He'd gotten used to being a rock star. The LA Times
reported on Wed. that Nirvana was breaking up and Cobain was going into drug
rehab. After that, someone close to the band said that the story was wrong,
but it was better than what was really going on. Five months ago, Cobain said
he'd never been happier. I think he killed himself because what was the
source of his happiness, his daughter and Courtney Love, became the source of
his pain. It will be interesting to see what the note said. His suicide
doesn't invalidate what Nirvana said. You might think of him as weak for doing
it, but he wouldn't care what any of us think. You'd think we'd be sadder
after the Beatles of our generation died.
Let's all be happy that NIN isn't as popular as Nirvana, and that Trent seems
to like living in his hell rather than taking Cobain's way out of it.
"Where do bad folks go when they die
They don't go to heaven where the angels fly
They go to a lake of fire in the sky"
Dan
geoffrey elliott
: You'd think we'd be sadder after the Beatles of our generation died.
Hardly! Nirvana most certainly is not the Beatles of our
generation. Nirvana has done far less for music then the
Beatles. Nirvana hasn't inspired nearly as many people
as the Beatles. Nirvana hasn't got one tenth of the combined
talent of the Beatles. If Nirvana is the Beatles of this
generation then I don't want to be a part of this generation.
Nirvana is a band with 4 albums, a few big hits, and
that's about it.
: Let's all be happy that NIN isn't as popular as Nirvana, and that Trent seems
: to like living in his hell rather than taking Cobain's way out of it.
who cares about popularity? what makes you think that
Nirvana was selling music for any reason other then to
make money? what makes you think that trent is selling
music for any reason other then to make money? about
the only honest band (with respect to money) is KMFDM.
if trent didn't want to be known for his music, he
wouldn't be selling it. It kurt cobain didn't want to
be know for his music, he wouldn't be selling it. i
guess kurt got what he wished for and regretted it!
NOWIMNOTHING
>w...@bu.edu (Wai Cheng) shaped the electrons to say:
>> It almost is shockingly appropriate that the NIN title Track "the Downward
>>Spiral" describes exactly how Kurt Cobain commited suicide...
>>
>>"he couldn't believe how easy it was
>>he put a gun into his face
>>Bang!
>>(so much blood for such a tiny litle hole)
>
>Other than the fact that Kurt used a 12-gauge shotgun. I have a feeling it
>wasn't a 'tiny hole'. Depends on whether it was shot or a slug... But it
>would still be messy.
Put it this way.... it took them half a day to identify the body as Kurts...
This would lead one to beleive that there wasn't much left of his head to
identify him by. Boom. Millions of dollars worth of brains splattered against
an unused plaster wall. Pretty sad really... I'm sure there are many out there
who would have loved to be in his position, finacially and musically. He could
have just retired. As for me, I have no pity for him. It seems like a very
cowardly thing to do, esp. when leaving a wife and a 2 year old girl behind.
>Hey, suicide is harsh reality.
It doesn't have to be.
Kurt Cobain, martyr of the x-generation. *snicker*
>I'm waiting to see what the note said, if the police ever release it.
>
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NOWIMNOTHING
one day before the electrician discovered it.
I always thought Nirvana's music was shit but Kurt's writing was very godd.
(whoops good) Anyway... I hope they bury him in a heart-shaped box.
Ian Muir Duckles
That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. To say that Suicide is more
courageous than living is absoluteley ridiculous. I honestly cannot believe you
said trhat. When things are bad it takes balls to wait for tommorow, and work
for a better life. Only losers end it. Any one who commits suicide is a loser
and deserves absolutely no respect for their actions. If Cobain had been a real
man he would have dealt with his problems and worked through them. The voice of
our generation??? I think not. My generation is not made up of herion addict,
suicidalmegamillionaire rock stars. This *guy is a fool.
My $99.95 worth,
Ian
Daniel Stuart Peters
geoffrey elliott <ed...@wpi.edu> wrote:
> what makes you think that Nirvana was selling music
> for any reason other then to make money?
Listen to Bleach. It was recorded for $606. Cobain wrote most of the songs
on it in less than one week. He was so excited to have an excuse to make
music that he trashed most of the stuff he was originally going to put on it.
When a guy had been making tapes since 1985 and only get pocket change for
an album in 1989, you'd think he'd have learned that it's not worth the money.
It's not like Nevermind even made that much money when it was first release in
1991. When he became a millionare rock star he killed himself. I think that
it might be logical to assume that Cobain at least was not in it for the money
and no other reason.
> what makes you think that trent is selling music for
> any reason other then to make money?
I think Trent uses his music as a form of therapy. It seems to be his reason
for existence. My basis for these assumptions has more to do with what I've
read than wih actual instances in his life, so they may not be on as sound
ground as my assumptions about Cobain.
> i guess kurt got what he wished for and regretted it.
What did he wish for? To be rich and famous? I don't think so. The guy is
dead and he wouldn't be if he could walk on the streets without getting
recognized. He said that himself. I don't want to make a martyr out of him,
but I think you're being a little harsh on the guy just because he committed
suicide, and you think that's some sign of weakness and a bad example.
As for Nirvana being like the Beatles, I don't know where you live, but here
on the West Coast they have enormous respect. They changed popular music
forever. The campus seemed to be in mourning today. Just like the Beatles,
they were the right band at the right time to change the face of music.
"Smells Like Teen Spirit" is the anthem of our generation, and is one of the
few things that brings us together...at least on the West Coast. Now, let's
get back to what this newsgroup is about, and discuss NIN.
Dan
Susan Roston
Neil Holger Eklund <ekl...@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu> wrote:
>w...@bu.edu (Wai Cheng) writes:
>> Indeed, both Kurt Cobain and Trent Reznor have much in common... both
>>where somewhat fucked-up personalties that lead (or should I say Dictated?)
>>bands that have very similar messages. Both are around the same age, 28 and
>>both bands started around the same time, 1989. Of course, both bands have
>
>at least making demo tapes (not with Novoselic) in 1985.
>
>-neil
>ekl...@rpi.edu
and trent was under NIN since at least '88, and was in at least 3 other bands
before then, so what is the point you are trying to make here??
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mike roston
Susan Roston
yeah, someone or other on RMI said
"I wonder if trent is moving into the range of these non-capitalist
musicians."
to which someone replied
"there are non-capitialist musicians?"
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mike roston
Susan Roston
I said that I thought cobain was courageous.
and the fact of the matter is, I didn't say suicide was more courageous that
living.
what I was saying is, you know that there are so many people out there whose
hearts just shattered. all of these teenagers who had lumped cobain into this
big leader cult, and basically worshipped him.
by killing himself, he takes away their dependency on him in some ways.
I think he was breaking away from that, and that is what I find courageous
and yes, I feel bad for his daughter in that courtney love isn't exactly the
most stable of people, but at least she will be able to live quite comforably
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mike roston
Aiken
: who cares about popularity? what makes you think that
: Nirvana was selling music for any reason other then to
: make money? what makes you think that trent is selling
: music for any reason other then to make money? about
: the only honest band (with respect to money) is KMFDM.
: if trent didn't want to be known for his music, he
: wouldn't be selling it. It kurt cobain didn't want to
: be know for his music, he wouldn't be selling it. i
: guess kurt got what he wished for and regretted it!
if trent were in it for the money, do you really think he'd have held
back "product" when he was fighting with TVT? If he were in it for the
money, would he pepper his songs with obscenity the way he does? I'm
sure trent doesn't _mind_ the money, but if that's all the music meant
to him he could retire comfortably off of PHM alone. And yes, KMFDM
is honest about thir attitude towards music/money -- but that doesn't
mean _everyone_ is thinking of their checkbook when they sit down at
a synth.
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Gargravarr
(Daniel Stuart Peters) wrote:
> As for Nirvana being like the Beatles, I don't know where you live, but here
> on the West Coast they have enormous respect. They changed popular music
> forever. The campus seemed to be in mourning today. Just like the Beatles,
> they were the right band at the right time to change the face of music.
> "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is the anthem of our generation, and is one of the
> few things that brings us together...at least on the West Coast. Now, let's
> get back to what this newsgroup is about, and discuss NIN.
Boy, it's a bunch of pathetic people who think "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is
an anthem of any sort. Don't you realize that song is making fun of people
just like you? And as for bringing us together, I would say "Head Like A
Hole" is more an anthem for MY generation than anything Nirvana ever wrote.
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The song of our generation is definitely the one I heard in my head when they
told me "7 minutes..."
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Brad Grossman
...welp, Cobain is dead. Is it just me or does the tune "All Apologies"
seem like a suicide note (or at least a cry for help) to me? Other than
that (and the attempt last month) this sorta surprised me. In every
interview, he seems mellow, not down on the world. But, that doesn't say
much...if the appearance of hating the world was a prelude to suicide, I
would've expected Trent Reznor or Eddie Vedder to go a long way before
him.
As for his place in musical history...not more than a mere footnote. I'm
sick of the Beatles and Jimi Hendrix comparisons. Just remember, 2.5
years and 3 (welp, 2.5) albums ago, nobody ever heard of the guy.
"Smells Like Teen Spirit" may be an anthem for this generation...but only
because it seems, at 1st listen, to hold meaning and insight...but if you
actyually understand the lyrics, you see that they make no sense at all.
Catchy tune, though.
matthew s krawitz
>
> Um...as most of you might of heard, Kurt Cobain of Nirvana died
> today. I found out while eating dinner at my dorm. I know many of you
> might dislike Nirvana because of how big they've become...or the type of
> music they played.
>
No, I don't dislike thier music... nor do I like it. It's crappy pop
with a ctachy guitar... I wouldn't mourn Neil Diomand... I don't
mourn Curt Kobain.
>
> Indeed, both Kurt Cobain and Trent Reznor have much in common...
> both where somewhat fucked-up personalties that lead (or should I say
> Dictated?) bands that have very similar messages. Both are around the
> same age, 28 and both bands started around the same time, 1989.
>
What a fucking insulting thing to say! TR does not shoot herion,
knock up girlfriends... or blow his head off (so far). Everything
I have seen/heard in reagards to Nine inch Nails, is well thought
out and meticulously planned... well, let's say the boys in Nirvana
aren't brain surgeons... ok let's say they couldn't figure out how
much the sales tax is on the guitar they throw around on stage...
Trent seems smart... I would wager he _IS_ smart... Curt was
a fucking idiot... and this latest "stunt" proves that even more.
>
> Of course, both bands have become very popular, though neither Trent or
> Kurt wanted them to.. I have read several interviews where trent
> mentions and compares himself to Kurt Cobain an Nirvana's situation
> (both A.P. interviews).
>
um, well, I think the articles you are referring to, have Trent painting
a not-so-pleasant picture of Nirvana... he doesn't respect them, if
interviews can be believed...
quick question... are you making this up as you go along?
>
> It almost is shockingly appropriate that the NIN title Track "the
> Downward Spiral" describes exactly how Kurt Cobain commited suicide...
>
>"he couldn't believe how easy it was
>he put a gun into his face
>Bang!
>(so much blood for such a tiny litle hole)
>
>problems have solutions
>a lifetime of fucking things up fixed in one determined flash..."
>
I think you answered your own question there... Kobain blew his
head clean off... he was identified by _fingerprints_... no little
hole... and it's not all that creative. Kurt didn't listen to tDS,
and decide he would honor Trent be killing himself... he's a selfish
bastard who "got what he deserved".
How dare you idolize this twit. He left a daughter behind, for gods
sake. This little girl will grow up with no father... and a really
poor excuse for a mother.
KC was a selfish ass. His actions were neither justified nor worthy
of praise, or understanding. Give it a rest. Idolize those who deserve
it, for good reasons. Many, many people in this world are more deserving
of discussion and bandwidth, than Kurt Cobain.... he's dead.
I didn't care for him before he died... and I don't care for him now.
Just because he's dead is no reason to cannonise the man.
>
> -Kurt Cobain, R.I.P.- 1994
>
Get a grip.
Matthew K.
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Adrian Fernandes
>
> if trent were in it for the money, do you really think he'd have held
>back "product" when he was fighting with TVT? If he were in it for the
>money, would he pepper his songs with obscenity the way he does? I'm
>sure trent doesn't _mind_ the money, but if that's all the music meant
>to him he could retire comfortably off of PHM alone. And yes, KMFDM
>is honest about thir attitude towards music/money -- but that doesn't
>mean _everyone_ is thinking of their checkbook when they sit down at
>a synth.
Are you for real? If Trent wasn't in it for the money, then why does he own
the rights to everything? His shirts, stickers, posters, etc., instead of
doing what most bands do by licensing it off!
Why not hold back product? If you think about it, it creates demand. Fine,
TVT makes didly over squat while he's fighting with them but it's FREE
publicity for both the company and TRENT. Besides, as you said, he could have
lived off of money made on PHM.
Why does he "pepper his songs with obscenity the way he does"? Simple. He
doesn't want to be another Robert Smith with _Friday I'm In Love_ for
chrissake! Only certain people will listen to NIN (about one in nine of my
friends do) and Trent wants to keep it that way -- he'll sell enough records
to live more than comfortably.
Are you kidding me when you say that not "_everyone_ is thinking of their
checkbook when they sit down at a synth"? Sure. As soon as you start work on
an album -- you think of $$$$$$. If he wasn't thinking about the money,
wouldn't he donate ALL profit to some charity besides himself?
I'm a big music Fan, and I like NIN very much but about 99% of all musicians
who have a record contract are in it for the money. Even those who aren't
signed to a label want money -- or at least fame -- and the two are almost
inseperable.
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>
>...welp, Cobain is dead. Is it just me or does the tune "All Apologies"
>seem like a suicide note (or at least a cry for help) to me? Other than
>that (and the attempt last month) this sorta surprised me. In every
>interview, he seems mellow, not down on the world. But, that doesn't say
>much...if the appearance of hating the world was a prelude to suicide, I
>would've expected Trent Reznor or Eddie Vedder to go a long way before
>him.
Actually, I would have thought the 'joke' that he made about what the
next album would be called was more than a call for help: "I hate myself
and I want to die." In Every interview he looked like he no longer
wanted to be part of this world.
>As for his place in musical history...not more than a mere footnote. I'm
>sick of the Beatles and Jimi Hendrix comparisons. Just remember, 2.5
>years and 3 (welp, 2.5) albums ago, nobody ever heard of the guy.
>"Smells Like Teen Spirit" may be an anthem for this generation...but only
>because it seems, at 1st listen, to hold meaning and insight...but if you
>actyually understand the lyrics, you see that they make no sense at all.
>Catchy tune, though.
I dunno... I'm just glad that I don't have to hear about Nirvana anymore
after the next six months. Nirvana were never any real importance to me
-- nor did they mean anything to me. Kurt is probably happier now that's
he's dead. Like I said after last month's suicide attempt, I said he'd
be dead in three months time. Nobody around me here in Toronto believed
me. It just makes me laugh in a perverted way...
Jason Patterson
Beavis and Butt-Head Experience, and was titled "I Hate Myself and Want to Die",
which kind of sorta sums it all up. latre..
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geoffrey elliott
: say that old Kurt was a real headbanger...
yeah, he shot himself right into number one...
Wai Cheng
: In article <2o7jbn$c...@agate.berkeley.edu>,
MIKE/SUSAN, and you criticize Chris Sobzcek? Gee, you should read all the posts first instead of writing 3 strait reply's you hipocrite!
Aiken
: In article <aikenCo...@netcom.com>, Aiken <ai...@netcom.com> wrote:
: >
: > if trent were in it for the money, do you really think he'd have held
: >back "product" when he was fighting with TVT? If he were in it for the
: >money, would he pepper his songs with obscenity the way he does? I'm
: >sure trent doesn't _mind_ the money, but if that's all the music meant
: >to him he could retire comfortably off of PHM alone. And yes, KMFDM
: >is honest about thir attitude towards music/money -- but that doesn't
: >mean _everyone_ is thinking of their checkbook when they sit down at
: >a synth.
: Are you for real? If Trent wasn't in it for the money, then why does he own
: the rights to everything? His shirts, stickers, posters, etc., instead of
: doing what most bands do by licensing it off!
[more blather like this deleted]
: Why does he "pepper his songs with obscenity the way he does"? Simple. He
: doesn't want to be another Robert Smith with _Friday I'm In Love_ for
: chrissake! Only certain people will listen to NIN (about one in nine of my
: friends do) and Trent wants to keep it that way -- he'll sell enough records
: to live more than comfortably.
: Are you kidding me when you say that not "_everyone_ is thinking of their
: checkbook when they sit down at a synth"? Sure. As soon as you start work on
: an album -- you think of $$$$$$. If he wasn't thinking about the money,
: wouldn't he donate ALL profit to some charity besides himself?
: -adrian.
I think you've kinda missed the point here. There's not some great
black/white issue, where either the artist is only writing music for the $
and popularity it brinds (New Kids on the Block, let's say), or the artist
hates money and will not accept it. It's a question of what the driving
force is. I believe (an opinion based solely on interviews, which could
be very calculated) that even if Reznor hadn't been signed, and ended up
working as a busboy somewhere, he'd still write the music.
I'd want all the rights to shirts and the like as well. Money
may not be the driving force behind NIN, but it's silly to throw it away
(or allow some parasite to make the money). Trent works&lives hard, and
deserves the money, but saying that he (and _all_ musicianbs) is/are in
it just for the money tells alot more about your psychology than trent's.
c. spencer yeh
that he wanted *a lot* of control over NIN's overall image, which would, I
imagine, include t-shirts, and of course, album covers. I'm glad that he
didn't just allow someone else to totally create NIN videos for him, and
didn't put up with a straight "literal-visual translation of music/album cover
art," a la "Heart Shaped Box," and assorted other commercial product.
In any case, I'm glad he's sharing the music, but as for second-guessing his
intentions, I'm in no real place or mood to do that. I don't know... it's
just a feeling I can't... shit, what's that lyric?
Oh well.
--
"...drinking, wishing, smoking, hoping..."
c.s.y.
WaiHong Cheng
: Concerning money and music, etc., as I recall in an interview, Trent stated
: Oh well.
Kurt Cobain PHOTOGRAPHED, PAINTED, and DESIGNED most of Nirvana's artwork,
idiot! He also designed several of the t-shirts and posters personally!
He did the cover of both Incesticide, In Utero,
and Heart Shaped box... as well as coming up with most of the concepts
for Nirvana's videos! KURT COBAIN was as much of a CONTROL-FREAK as
TRENT!!! so shut the fuck up.
Daniel Doughty
>>(so much blood for such a tiny litle hole)
M>Other than the fact that Kurt used a 12-gauge shotgun. I have a feeling it
>wasn't a 'tiny hole'. Depends on whether it was shot or a slug... But it
>would still be messy.
Shot doesn't spread for at least 20 feet. It would be an entrance wound
about the size of a quarter either way.
* QMPro 1.51 * You non-conformists are all alike.
geoffrey elliott
: Kurt Cobain PHOTOGRAPHED, PAINTED, and DESIGNED most of Nirvana's artwork,
: idiot! He also designed several of the t-shirts and posters personally!
: He did the cover of both Incesticide, In Utero,
: and Heart Shaped box... as well as coming up with most of the concepts
: for Nirvana's videos! KURT COBAIN was as much of a CONTROL-FREAK as
: TRENT!!! so shut the fuck up.
all this anger over a dead druggy musician? why? so he
had some talent, and a couple of big hits. He's not Trent
Reznor. One can only expect him to get dissed in a group
about nin. chill out and take the discussion to
alt.music.dead-druggies-who-gave-up-cause-they-were-wimps
or something.
L. Ruppenthal
original rumour about how the show *should* be here sometime in the first
half of May. Well, it's a bit more than a rumour anyhow because
apparently the radio station has been in some sort of contact with the
nin PR dept.
Well, so most of the other quality rumours have been confirmed
already (Chicago, Cleveland etc) but not Toronto. What gives? Are we
going to have to wait for after the European leg of the tour?
Leo
--
--> L.D. Ruppenthal <u931...@muss.cis.mcmaster.ca>
--> McMaster University (905) 574+5545
-->
--> Why do you still haunt me?
c. spencer yeh
>Kurt Cobain PHOTOGRAPHED, PAINTED, and DESIGNED most of Nirvana's artwork,
>idiot! He also designed several of the t-shirts and posters personally!
>He did the cover of both Incesticide, In Utero,
>and Heart Shaped box... as well as coming up with most of the concepts
>for Nirvana's videos! KURT COBAIN was as much of a CONTROL-FREAK as
>TRENT!!! so shut the fuck up.
Hmmm... the whining in your personal e-mail to me concerning this was far more
eloquent than "hey fuck you."
Rather than treat you like Mr. Sobczak that one time, I'll say it again:
Hello? I didn't attack or question Cobain and his involvement in Nirvana's
creative control. I only mentioned "Heart-Shaped Box" because of the use of
the album cover's concept (the transparent angel lady). That is a pet peeve
of mine. Perhaps I worded it wrong, but I didn't deny that Kurt didn't paint
the fucking cover to INCESTICIDE (any fuckhead like you could brush back their
pussy-pink mohawk to read the goddamn liner notes). And I didn't say Kurt
wasn't a control freak either. Maybe you should read and think more than
fucking using this place as a corner to masturbate your brain and its huge
amounts of cum-trivia.
Well, it seems a few personal assaults *have* snuck into my reply, but how
could I resist when someone flames me for NO FUCKING REASON AT ALL. I was
talking about Trent. I was not talking about Kurt. I don't care if you lost
your fucking virginity while listening to "In Bloom." I consider myself a
Nirvana fan as well (and perhaps one of the few that doesn't think suicide is
necessarily bad), but obviously you don't. So fuck you too.
Oh, thanks for the info on Kevin Kerslake. You fuckwad. Now I can run around
and reprimand others who don't know.
--
c.s.y.
--==>>NIN<<==--
generation" and nirvana were the "beatles". face it, NO ONE has appeared
with the creative energy and authenticity of lennon. the lennon of our generation is still lennon. the beatles of our generation are the beatles. no one has
appeared that can fill in the blank left by their demise (not even NIN :> )
--
Bo Williams will...@ncssm-server.ncssm.edu
"You could have it all... my empire of dirt." -- "Hurt" NIN
c. spencer yeh
And my opinions on suicide are skewed, because I am tied to this earth. At
least until I see NIN.
--
c.s.y.
Adrian Fernandes
L. Ruppenthal <u931...@muss.cis.mcmaster.ca> wrote:
> Shit ... Haven't heard anything about Toronto yet. Only the
>original rumour about how the show *should* be here sometime in the first
>half of May. Well, it's a bit more than a rumour anyhow because
>apparently the radio station has been in some sort of contact with the
>nin PR dept.
> Well, so most of the other quality rumours have been confirmed
>already (Chicago, Cleveland etc) but not Toronto. What gives? Are we
>going to have to wait for after the European leg of the tour?
They can go on sale a week before the gig, and it will sell out. Don't
worry, I know two people who are filming, and know of several others who
are taping (pro walkmans or DAT).
Cheers,
Jonathan W Newton
From what I heard, they had to use finger prints to
confirm the ID of the body. There was a big hole
somewhere.
Susan Roston
>
fuck off you dim asshole
I don't need to read other's posts to express MY opinions.
first you flame me for an article that wasn't even in response to you, now
this shit, go away
0000000000n0thing
mike roston
Susan Roston
I agree, aside from which, I see nothing wrong with musicians making money as
long as they seriously consider there musicianship a career, not this shit
like Dr.Dre telling mtv he's in it ONLY for the money
>
> I'd want all the rights to shirts and the like as well. Money
>may not be the driving force behind NIN, but it's silly to throw it away
>(or allow some parasite to make the money). Trent works&lives hard, and
>deserves the money, but saying that he (and _all_ musicianbs) is/are in
>it just for the money tells alot more about your psychology than trent's.
aside from which, I doub trent wants anyone making more money off of him than
necessary. this tends to piss people off, ie marvel comics losing their best
artists because they were profiting off of the t shirt sales that the artists
got nothing for.
000000000n0thing
mike roston
John Soltys
--==>>NIN<<==-- <<==--)> wrote:
>i'm so tired of hearing that "kurt cobain was the john lennon of our
>generation" and nirvana were the "beatles". face it, NO ONE has appeared
>with the creative energy and authenticity of lennon. the lennon of our generation is still lennon. the beatles of our generation are the beatles. no one has
>appeared that can fill in the blank left by their demise (not even NIN :> )
You think you're tired of it? Try living in Seattle where nearly every
radio station (including super poppy top-40 stations that almost never
play Nirvana) did a tribute to him. I swear if I see one more interview
with a teeny-bopper saying "it's the end of an era" I'm gonna go balistic.
yksehtnipudogon
: : Other than the fact that Kurt used a 12-gauge shotgun. I have a feeling it
: : wasn't a 'tiny hole'. Depends on whether it was shot or a slug... But it
: : would still be messy.
: : I'm waiting to see what the note said, if the police ever release it.
: this isn't exactly directed to megazone, but rather to the
: original poster:
: i'm sorry, but i feel no sorrow at cobain's suicide. what
: respect i had for nirvana is gone. i can not and will not
: respect somebody killing themself. i don't have half the
: things to live for that cobain did (a beautiful wife and
: child, amazing talent, etc.) life has it's problems.
: and people need to deal with that. many times, it seems
: like it would be easier to just give up and die, but it
: doesn't work that way. death is just a way of running
: away - it doesn't solve the problems, it just passes them
: on to the people you care about. tommorrow i sell my
: nirvana cds to the used record store and collect my $4.00
: each.
: And if Trent Reznor ever killed himself, i would destroy
: everybit of NIN stuff that i have. i respect trent because
: he deals with his pain honestly. he gets it out. he lives
: his life. and even when things seem like shit to him he
: still has himself. trent at least has some respect for
: himself as a person - and he knows that his life is valuable
: even if it is only to himself.
: if cobain didn't respect himself, and obviously he didn't,
: i can not respect him.
: suicide is NOT the answer.
: --
Buck Satan
>MIKE/SUSAN, and you criticize Chris Sobzcek? Gee, you should read all
the
>posts first instead of writing 3 strait reply's you hipocrite!
In article <2oauvs$i...@news.bu.edu> WaiHong Cheng, w...@buphy.bu.edu
writes:
>Kurt Cobain PHOTOGRAPHED, PAINTED, and DESIGNED most of Nirvana's
artwork,
>idiot! He also designed several of the t-shirts and posters personally!
>He did the cover of both Incesticide, In Utero,
>and Heart Shaped box... as well as coming up with most of the concepts
>for Nirvana's videos! KURT COBAIN was as much of a CONTROL-FREAK as
>TRENT!!! so shut the fuck up.
OK. . . I think that should be enough to start with. . .
First, let me apologise to the net for getting off topic here. . .
I read the net for information and opinion, specifically about NIN.
However, I am a Nirvana fan and have enjoyed sifting through the various
thoughts in this thread. I do not read the news to see some
self-righteous asshole complain about others wasting bandwidth when the
core of his (recent) contributions has been flaming people for trivial
things. I realize you started this thread Mr. Cheng, and I appreciate
your earlier commentary. This is not intended as a personal flame, but
rather a kick in the ass to remind you that the majority of us could care
less about those Sobczak flames and would rather read thoughtful
commentary than "Fuck you's."
This whole newsgroup has turned into a big battleground lately to see who
can flame who. Read: "I DON'T GIVE A SHIT." Please refrain from
bringing up that old shit. If you have something to say to everyone on
the net, say it. Otherwise put your keyboard up and leave me out of it.
Anyway, since I'm sending a post out, I think I'll add my own brief views
on Cobain's suicide. I think it sucked. I think we did lose a voice of
our generation. Just because we don't agree with some of the things he
did doesn't mean he didn't make an impact. Hell, I sure as shit don't
condone heroin use, but Cobain never pushed it as far as I can see. It
was part of his own personal hell. The man had nowhere to turn and he
went the way of the gun. I don't see suicide as a sign of weakness. I
see it as an escape. Don't tell me that any of you don't value yourself
above everyone else. The number one person is always "me" no matter how
giving I am. . . Why do people give to charity? There is a good feeling
that comes with helping people. . . Nothing is ever done COMPLETELY
selflessly that I know of. So this is what I am saying: Cobain's
suicide was selfish. Very selfish. We all know about the family and
band members he left behind, so I won't retype all that. But because it
was selfish, does that make it wrong? He felt he had no other options,
nobody to turn to, no way out. If you felt that no matter what you did
the world would never return the favor, would you feel very giving? I
doubt it.
Ethically, perhaps Kurt Cobain could have made a better decision. We
could (and probably will) debate that for quite some time. I'm not going
to say I agree with the ethics of his decision. However, I empathize
with his pain. I know what it's like to feel trapped in a corner with no
way out. I'm sure a lot of you out there do. Killing yourself is always
a last resort. I think the loss of any human life to suicide is a
trajedy.
Anyway, I've rambled long enough. Perhaps another post later. . .
Buck Satan.
"This isn't meant to last; this is for right now."
"I now know the depths I reach are limitless."
"I could try to get away, but I've strapped myself in."
"And maybe that fucked me up much more than you'll ever know."
DEB1919
blow himself away, leaving a wife, a child, his bandmates
and his fans behind, all of whom depended on him? I
wish more grunge rockers would follow suit. So much for
that "I swear I don't have a gun" crap.
Burn in Hell, Curt. You asked for it!
Elliot John Patrick Sather
Chris Nappi <xr...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> wrote:
>The only thing that ran through my mind was why he didn't go on a killing
>spree and taking out fucking Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, and Smashing Pupkin while
>he was at it.. I would have celebrated like a motherfucker, and maybe even
>bought a Nirvana album :)
>Chris
What the fuck? It amazes me that anyone would be as stupid as to post a
message like this. If you honestly feel that way, get help. If you don't
and are just trying to make everyone think you are cool, get a life.
Daniel Stuart Peters
All I have to say is you took the words right out of my mouth. Right on
brother!
Dan
Caroline Hadley
> i'm sorry, but i feel no sorrow at cobain's suicide. what
> suicide is NOT the answer.
>--
You're obviously one of these people that has few problems
in life, and so can't understand others that can't deal
with it anymore, and kill themselves.
In my opinion, it took a hell of a lot of guts to give
up on this world, and see what's next. Can't you see,
there must've been something so very very wrong with his
life, that nothing could ever make it worthwhile living.
Forget his wife and his kid, you don't live your life
for other people. I pity them more than I've ever pitied
anyone's situation, but if Cobain was that sick of life,
then he should have done what he did.
To suddenly get rid of music you liked last week, simply
because of the views or actions of one-third of the band,
has to be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
L. Ruppenthal
>
>They can go on sale a week before the gig, and it will sell out. Don't
>worry, I know two people who are filming, and know of several others who
>are taping (pro walkmans or DAT).
>
>Cheers,
>-adrian.
Oh yeah, sorry about threading this message to the cobain't
thing. ;)
Anyhow Adrian - I would really be interested in getting some
boots for this show. Of course nothing would be like the live
performance, but maybe they'd come close. Are your buddies going to do
some sort of production/distribution thing? If so, I'd be really
interested in buying some videos/recordings (more so if I was actually at
the show!)
Thanks ...
geoffrey elliott
: ed...@wpi.edu (geoffrey elliott) writes:
: > i'm sorry, but i feel no sorrow at cobain's suicide. what
: > suicide is NOT the answer.
: >--
: You're obviously one of these people that has few problems
: in life, and so can't understand others that can't deal
: with it anymore, and kill themselves.
go to hell. why don't you shove it up your fat
'i got mental probs' ass. you don't know shit about
me and my problems. so why don't you take your ugly
little face the fuck out of alt.music.nin and go back
to alt.my.life.sucks.so.nobody.else.has.problems.
: In my opinion, it took a hell of a lot of guts to give
: up on this world, and see what's next. Can't you see,
: there must've been something so very very wrong with his
: life, that nothing could ever make it worthwhile living.
: Forget his wife and his kid, you don't live your life
: for other people. I pity them more than I've ever pitied
: anyone's situation, but if Cobain was that sick of life,
: then he should have done what he did.
i am too depressed to commit suicide. the thought of
being found with my head blown off and a load in my
pants just doesn't appeal to me. i guess despite the
shitty life i lead, i have some pride.
: To suddenly get rid of music you liked last week, simply
: because of the views or actions of one-third of the band,
: has to be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
i didn't like 'em last week. i like NIN, and this is
alt.music.NIN not alt.music.worship.dead.druggies.named.cobain.
take this thread someplace else!
Gregory T Misicko
Kurt misinterpreted track one of Pretty Hate Machine
yksehtnipudogon
: > You're obviously one of these people that has few problems
: > in life, and so can't understand others that can't deal
: > with it anymore, and kill themselves.
: > In my opinion, it took a hell of a lot of guts to give
: > up on this world, and see what's next. Can't you see,
: > there must've been something so very very wrong with his
: > life, that nothing could ever make it worthwhile living.
: > Forget his wife and his kid, you don't live your life
: > for other people. I pity them more than I've ever pitied
: > anyone's situation, but if Cobain was that sick of life,
: > then he should have done what he did.
: > To suddenly get rid of music you liked last week, simply
: > because of the views or actions of one-third of the band,
: > has to be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
:
: HAHAHAHA!! Jesus f*cking christ!! Life is a privilage! If you think that 'OH,
: life sucks' I think you are going to be a whole hell of a lot less happy when
: you are buried under six feet of ground... I'm sorry but I just can't
: understand why anyone would give up life for nothingness, pain is a whole hell
: of a lot more interesting than nothingness.. If Kurt was so unhappy he could
: have bought a fucking island and moved there and fished for the rest of his
: life.. As for my post about taking the other grundge bands with him, I wasn't
: serious, and those who were offended need to chill..
: Chris
perhaps if you don't understand the power and hurt of drug adiction buy
skinny puppy's _last rights_ album, maybe you'll be able to identify with
the power of it, and the pain in it...it's and album about drug
addiction...coincidentally heroin addiction.
<yksehtnipudogon>
>no preservative
s <
Roxanne Stenson
: M>Other than the fact that Kurt used a 12-gauge shotgun.
: Shot doesn't spread for at least 20 feet. It would be an entrance wound
: about the size of a quarter either way.
Uh, I hate to get gory here folks, but I'd like to add a bit of information
about intra-oral shotgun blasts. There are some photos of subjects who
recieved intra-oral shotgun blasts from a variety of loads (bird shot,
00-buckshot, slugs) in Massad Ayoob's book _StressFire II: Advanced Combat
Shotgun_, and they are quite demonstrative of the trauma inflicted. Namely,
the cranium was ruptured from the inside, splitting the face in half and
leaving fragments everywhere. It seems that the pressure caused by the
powder combusting, in addition to whatever load was used, is enough to blow
apart the skull without too much effort.
A couple of captions from the photos:
1) Muzzle contact shotgun wounds to the head are litterally explosive. It
takes some people a moment to realize this [the photo] was once a human
head; ... This is the typical injuy patter of execution murder with 12-guage
shotgun muzzle touching vicim's forehead. [The photo was of a head, at
least from the mid-forehead down. The entire top and back of the skull was
missing and bone fragments looked as if they had opened up like a rose...]
2) Intra-oral 12-guage gunshot wound. Normally associated with suicide,
this wound patter also occurs in victims of psychosexually motivated
criminals who make them suck the muzzle of the killer's gun before the
trigger is pulled. Brain and eyes have been blown out, and skull literally
exploded from within. Note multiple tears on resilient lower lip, due to
stretching from massive gas blast creating back pressure in mouth. [photo
doesn't include whole head. Tounge has burn marks, face is split in half
and top of head has split open, almost as if the guy had a mouth full of
explosive.]
The summary here is this: If you put a shotgun in your mouth, it doesn't
freaking matter what the load is: the pressure build up from the powder will
cause the skull to explode and render the face and head unrecognizeable.
Sleep well, my pretties.... ;)
--
# este...@galaxy.csc.calpoly.edu ------------------------ Roxanne Stenson #
Mark Friedman
> Screw Curt Cobain. What kind of selfish bastard would
> blow himself away, leaving a wife, a child, his bandmates
> and his fans behind, all of whom depended on him?
And screw you: what kind of selfish bastard thinks that a person
doesn't have the *right* to take his *own* life?
- m
--
.. Mark "XXXXX XXXXXXX" Friedman is cri...@ihz.compuserve.com ................
"XXXXX XX XXXXXXXX XXXXX "Beat poets, "Bite me, "My jacket! I killed
XXXXX XXXX XXXXXXX." not children." it's fun!" Kennedy in this jacket!"
- XXXXXX XXXXX, X/XX/XX - t-shirt - MST3K - Ron Post
NOWIMNOTHING
>The only thing that ran through my mind was why he didn't go on a killing
>spree and taking out fucking Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, and Smashing Pupkin while
>he was at it.. I would have celebrated like a motherfucker, and maybe even
>bought a Nirvana album :)
>Chris
>
*ducking head to avoid numerous flames*
Andy
--
"This one's for Kurt..." - Eddie Vedder
"Oh, please, don't go on me... don't go on me now..."
April 1, 1994, Atlanta GA
Frederic William Scott Iv
MY ASS!!!
A little note to those who agree with the first line of this posting.
Just remember that actions speak louder than words.
Have a nice day.
NOWIMNOTHING
Paul J Pettit
>Kurt misinterpreted track one of Pretty Hate Machine
Heheheh!! ;)
Chris Nappi
David Friedman
mkra...@helium.tmc.edu
>he's a selfish bastard who "got what he deserved".
>How dare you idolize this twit.
>KC was a selfish ass. His actions were neither justified nor
>worthy of praise, or understanding. Give it a rest.
I heard bleach a long time ago and thought it sucked really
bad..then Smells like teen shit came out and it was "a catchy tune"
but I wrote them off when "Nevermind" went up to #1
Now I actually have _more_ respect for Nirvana and Kurt Cobain...I
wasn't sure if he was a true hardcore/punk type musician or just
another guy who's goal was to be rich (Warrant, Poison, Nelson, etc)
Well, it seems pretty obvious that he was somone who just couldn't
deal with what he had become!
"How did it get so big?...you had to give them all a sign, didn't
you?" Well, he gave ME a sign by deciding a 12 gauge in the mouth
was better than living the pure HELL he had to live as a top 10
artist...
It just seems to me, although suicide is a copout, it was all
he could do, guys...when its just too much to take, ya gotta jump
ship!!
His last words could have been... "I do not want this
don't you tell me how I feel
you don't know just how I feel
...I want to do something that matters
He couldn't do something that matters now that he was top 10, so he
left us...
"I'm not a cool guy anymore" -Fork
LOOCSITOP NIN 44 dfri...@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
David Friedman
down!!!! this is not a discussion on the virtues of suicide, it s
about a guy who couldn't take it!!!
Daniel Doughty
to: yo...@atlantis.ksu.ksu.edu
Y>From what I heard, they had to use finger prints to
>confirm the ID of the body. There was a big hole
>somewhere.
Yeah, well rumors do spread don't they? What I heard on the news was
the electrician or plumber found him. He called the press first, and
one of the journalists ID'd the body.
<<djd.sig
* QMPro 1.51 * Save the Males
Daniel Doughty
to:deb...@delphi.com
D> Screw Curt Cobain. What kind of selfish bastard would
> blow himself away, leaving a wife, a child, his bandmates
That's their fault for trusting him.
* QMPro 1.51 * In this world a man must either be anvil or hammer
Fled Fairlane
| In article <xris.96....@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>,
| Chris Nappi <xr...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> wrote:
| message like this. If you honestly feel that way, get help. If you don't
| and are just trying to make everyone think you are cool, get a life.
|
|
What is it with people named Chris?
=O.| fled
=O
Chris Nappi
> You're obviously one of these people that has few problems
> in life, and so can't understand others that can't deal
> with it anymore, and kill themselves.
> In my opinion, it took a hell of a lot of guts to give
> up on this world, and see what's next. Can't you see,
> there must've been something so very very wrong with his
> life, that nothing could ever make it worthwhile living.
> Forget his wife and his kid, you don't live your life
> for other people. I pity them more than I've ever pitied
> anyone's situation, but if Cobain was that sick of life,
> then he should have done what he did.
> To suddenly get rid of music you liked last week, simply
> because of the views or actions of one-third of the band,
> has to be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
SCHUMACHER RALF
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Hmm, as the electrician found Kurt after three days, he exclaimed in disgust:
"Yuck! Smells like Teen Spirit!"
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... so much blood for such a tiny little hole!
Thomas H. Trauth
>Listen to Bleach. It was recorded for $606. Cobain wrote most of the songs
^^^^
>on it in less than one week. He was so excited to have an excuse to make
^^^^^^^^
No wonder that album was so bad! With the exception of "About a Girl",
Bleach is comprised of one lousy song after another. However, since
Nevermind was a great album, I guess Bleach was just a warm-up that
shouldn't be held against them. One the whole, they were still a great
band.
RIP Kurt,
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* Tom Trauth
* tra...@rpi.edu
* King of the Russians (in Civ)
*
NOWIMNOTHING
>
>>Listen to Bleach. It was recorded for $606. Cobain wrote most of the songs
> ^^^^
>>on it in less than one week. He was so excited to have an excuse to make
> ^^^^^^^^
>
>No wonder that album was so bad! With the exception of "About a Girl",
What!!!???? This thread is still drawing breath?
Die! Die! Die! *beating imaginary kcthed.s. thread to death with large
heavy object*
There.
I think its seen it's last.
Hmmm. It's still twitching.
A.
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