Interpretation for "Blue Monday" and Bizarre Love Triangle"?
Hoov Driver
>his suicide. There's that beach verse in the song. And does Blue Monday
refer
>to the date of his suicide? He was found dead on a Monday midafternoon.
>
>Maybe I'm reading too much into this.....
>
Got me dude, but thanks for all that info. I didn't know that's when Ian
died.
BLT came out so many years after Joy Division's demise, I would be surprised
if the song referred to Ian, but who knows?
Anyone else?
MedGato
Anyone know how these songs should be interpreted? I always thought they had
to do with Ian Curtis. Does the bizarre love triangle refer to the
relationship between Ian, his wife Deborah, and the mistress Annick Honore? As
for "Blue Monday", I'm reading Deborah's book Touching from a Distance and she
tells how Ian told her he had a dream of seeing her on the beach...all
alone..which actually came true when she went on a vacation a few months after
Jean Kim
Very interesting stuff, it could very well be, especially the Blue
Monday thing. I also used to think Perfect Kiss was about Ian and
Barney, although it might also just be about an arbitrary gay couple.
And a verse in the Village refers to Ian and Deborah, something about
their love dying 3 years ago, and the album came out in 1983, 3 years
after Ian's death.
a.j.wells
MedGato wrote:
>
> Anyone know how these songs should be interpreted? I always thought they had
> to do with Ian Curtis. Does the bizarre love triangle refer to the
> relationship between Ian, his wife Deborah, and the mistress Annick Honore? As
> for "Blue Monday", I'm reading Deborah's book Touching from a Distance and she
> tells how Ian told her he had a dream of seeing her on the beach...all
> alone..which actually came true when she went on a vacation a few months after
> his suicide. There's that beach verse in the song. And does Blue Monday refer
> to the date of his suicide? He was found dead on a Monday midafternoon.
>
> Maybe I'm reading too much into this.....
As always, the songs could mean something or nothing at all... the Blue
Monday is pretty widely to be accepted to be the Monday you mention...
But as far as BLT goes, I seem to remember something Barney said at one
point about it being about someone who is in love with themselves as
well as the other person... I think there was a snide remark about
Morrisey in the same interview, but it was probably just typical NO
interview tactics...
A.
bruce carle
I heard Steve Morris say that "Blue Monday" was indeed titled from the
Curtis suicide, although I believe he was found in the early hours of
Sunday morning and Morris said that that Monday was expected to be one
of the happiest days of their lives (they were to arrive in the U.S. for
their first American tour). Of course, things didn't turn out that way.
I think it's quite easy to say most of the first two New Order albums
are responses to the suicide, after all it was one of the major event of
their lives. Titles like "ICB" (Ian Curtis Buried -- technically, he was
cremated) bear this out. But I think it's perhaps too easy to say
everything relates to it. I do know "Procession"'s lyrics were written
by Steve Morris about his feelings about Ian's death ("I can see your
face, but I don't recognize all these things you must have kept behind"
etc.). I consider "Temptation" to be the first release that didn't have
an overt Curtis theme.
BC
webm...@jr-ent.com
Where's your Bizarre Love Triangle thoughts? It's my favourite track of
theirs.
Jeff
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bruce carle
I always considered "BLT" a straightforward love song. Although after
having heard what Bernard allegedly wrote "1963" about I might give up
guessing -- he's got his facts quite screwed up on that (why would JFK
arrange to have Jackie killed so he can be with Marilyn Monroe when MM
had been dead for months by the time of the assassination?) JFK also
hated the nickname "Johnny" which is how he is referred to throughout
that song. Since I know very little about New Order's private lives
(expect Steve and Gillian are married and Peter Hook is on at least his
second wife) I really can't conjecture as to what it might be about
specifically. As far as the title goes, we all know they pick the titles
at the last moment, often using film and book titles, perhaps they saw
this on the cover of a tabloid waiting in line at the grocery store.
I once saw an interview with Bernard on MTV promoting the first
Electronic CD and he was talking about his current girlfriend being the
subject of "Get the Message" (she apparently liked to spend his money).
Ever since then I've noticed there are an awful lot of songs where he
mentions money. For instance, "Round & Round": "you waste your time like
my money." Can anyone start a thread and name any other instances?
Pankow
bruce carle wrote:
> Ever since then I've noticed there are an awful lot of songs where he
> mentions money. For instance, "Round & Round": "you waste your time like
> my money." Can anyone start a thread and name any other instances?
I've forgotten the song title, but at one point on Republic there are
the lines "you've got your finger on my pulse/and in my pocket, yes of
course"
This could imply something, er, more sexual too :-) but the money thing
might fit the previous pattern better...
Pankow
bruce carle
Good one. That was from "Liar," which is about Factory Records
majordommo Anthony Wilson and the financial problems they were going
through at the time of the recording (eventually bankruptcy). Any more?
bruce carle
And here's another one from "Republic":
"World" -- "That's the price of love / can you feel it? / If we could
buy it now / how long will it last?"