One last word about the IH ticket scream fest
Aye, who's asking whom?
The Iron Horse is a small joint, requiring a roach clip. Many people
posted about the size problem and discussed it in the chat room months ago.
Since many of us wanted to go to the Hallowe'ekend extravaganza in a small
mountain town a la South Park, we put two and two together (or toe and toe,
as in a pas de deux) and ordered tickets as soon as we could convince our
bosses of the value of a Friday off.
Seeing how all of us with tickets are the planning kind (even if we are
reluctantly -- I prefer showing up to things on a whim and bringing my own
chopsticks), why would we go to all the trouble of getting advance tix and
then sell them?
I'm sorry, I had to get this out. I'm tired of seeing people I know and
like post about how they will sell bodily organs for tickets when they were
the very people that convinced me to coalesce my plans before it was too
late. The clock reads "too late" and I'm not selling anything. I bought
train tickets, made hotel reservations, murdered my wife and blamed a
one-armed man; I'm not renegging.
Soon there will be a bevy of "you rat fink" post attached to this, so
I'll end this on a positive note:
Tickets for the December 4th show at the Kirkland Arts Center in Clinton, NY
are avaible NOW. Buy them by calling 315.853.8871 Tuesday through Friday
from 9am to 5pm. Tickets are $12 for the public and many have already been
sold. You have been warned!
--on the chopping block, Dante
Wbsmiles
>Tickets for the December 4th show at the Kirkland Arts Center in Clinton, NY
>are avaible NOW. Buy them by calling 315.853.8871 Tuesday through Friday
>from 9am to 5pm. Tickets are $12 for the public and many have already been
>sold. You have been warned!
>
>--on the chopping block, Dante
>
Exactly where is Clinton, NY? Or a more specific question, how far a drive
from the DC area? Thanks!
Smiles,
Wendy :o)
Thomas Fazzio
Syracuse along the Thruway (I-90).
later,
tom.
Ofer Inbar
> >Tickets for the December 4th show at the Kirkland Arts Center in Clinton, NY
> >are avaible NOW. Buy them by calling 315.853.8871 Tuesday through Friday
> >from 9am to 5pm. Tickets are $12 for the public and many have already been
> >sold. You have been warned!
>
> from the DC area? Thanks!
Clinton is both a town and a township (the town located inside the
township) in the general vicinity of Utica, NY, almost close enough to
be called of suburb of Utica if only Utica were a little bigger and
less boring :-)
To get there from DC, I would take I-95 to the NJTP to the Garden
State Parkway to I-87 north, aka the New York Thruway. Follow the
Thruway all the way to Albany and continue on I-90 west (still the New
York Thruway) to Utica. At the Utica exit, follow signs for 5/8/12
south & west, which should take you to "the arterial". Take the
arterial past Utica until it stops being a divided highway, and you
get to a really weird intersection, like the kind you find in Boston :)
Stay in the left lane on the arterial, and when you reach the weird
intersection get on route 12B, which will take you right into Clinton
town center, a small park with storefront-lined roads on either side.
Clinton's not a one-light town, but it is pretty small. Smaller than
Northampton. Almost everything of interest is right around the town
center.
FDC sez:
> KAC is right in the center of village of Clinton, about 9 miles
> southwest of Utica on Route 12B. The section of Route 12B which passes
> on the east side of the village green is called East Park Row and the
> venue is between nos. 9 and 10 on East Park Row. Look for the church
> that has a tall steeple.
So, just follow my directions, and when you reach Clinton Village,
look for the Church. I've never driven directly from DC to Utica, but
I estimate 8 hours. 9 if you don't speed, maybe worse if it's snowing.
ChrisO: feel free to add this info to FDC.
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Ofer Inbar
> So, just follow my directions, and when you reach Clinton Village,
> look for the Church. I've never driven directly from DC to Utica, but
> I estimate 8 hours. 9 if you don't speed, maybe worse if it's snowing.
I forgot to mention the places I *have* driven directly to Clinton, NY
from. Here are the travel times, from my experience:
Boston, MA: 4 hours (from the 90/95/128/30 interchange)
Toronto, ON: 5 hours (I think it only took me 4 and a half...)
Goshen, IN: 10 hours (which means about 13 hours from Chicago)
It'll be December, though. Weather is a *big* factor.
All these drive times are for relatively clear weather.
Gee, can you tell I drive around a lot? :) Average 2500 miles/month
since I got this car, even though I work less than two miles from
home. Granted, the fact that I can apparently do 2400 miles in TWO
DAYS may be skewing the statistics a bit...
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Wbsmiles
> "You are a highway with no exits, they say she drove you to extremes
> She couldn't stand the endless freeway, free is never what it seems"
> -- Jennifer Kimball, "A Long Way Home"
Another note from me, :o). Is this Jennifer Kimball the same one that was in
The Story? I haven't heard any of her solo stuff, but have picked up Jonatha
Brooke's solo releases. How is Jennifer Kimball? While I'm talking music
related stuff (when am I not?!?!?) just wanted to mention that over the year or
so I've been watching your posts I've noticed you have the best taste in music!
I can say that because it is quite similar to mine ;o). And thanks for doing
the EFO mailings as well! My McCabe tapes are in the mail!
Smiles,
Wendy :o)
JennCyn
> Another note from me, :o). Is this Jennifer Kimball the same one that was in
> The Story? I haven't heard any of her solo stuff, but have picked up Jonatha
> Brooke's solo releases. How is Jennifer Kimball?
::stepping into the thread:: Yes, it's the same Jennifer Kimball. Although if
you check out her Web site, you'll find out there are two of them. ;) Sort of
an amusing story.... (http://www.jenniferkimball.com)
She's got a demo CD out which I don't own, unfortunately, and a full-length
album called "Veering From the Wave", which I do, and it's great; I especially
like the first few tracks. It's all her own songwriting, too (except for one
Crowded House cover), which is cool to hear since the Story was mostly
Jonatha's writing...... and I _love_ her music, of course..... :)
- jenn
(still happy that I found the "So Much Mine" promo single yesterday at 2nd Time
Around :)
Josh Woodward
found a ticket for my girlfriend for 10/31, but I need another for
myself. $100 goes to the person who is willing to part with one
ticket for a pathetic Ohioan.
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Geenius at Wrok
> >Tickets for the December 4th show at the Kirkland Arts Center in Clinton, NY
> >are avaible NOW. Buy them by calling 315.853.8871 Tuesday through Friday
> >from 9am to 5pm. Tickets are $12 for the public and many have already been
> >sold. You have been warned!
>
> Exactly where is Clinton, NY? Or a more specific question, how far a drive
> from the DC area? Thanks!
Alfred, N.Y., is one and a half hours south of Rochester, via I-390, N.Y.
36, N.Y. 17 and N.Y. 21.
Katonah is in Westchester County, 20 minutes north of White Plains on
I-684.
Ithaca, home of Cornell University, is an hour and change south of
Syracuse via I-81 and N.Y. 13.
Clinton is just southwest of Utica, a little less than an hour east of
Syracuse. It has its own exit off the Thruway (N.Y. 233).
In answer to the specific question asked, Clinton is almost exactly seven
hours' driving from Washington. Take I-83 and I-81 to Syracuse, then go
east on the Thruway.
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However, I'd like to dispute Inbar's recommendation:
On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Ofer Inbar wrote:
> To get there from DC, I would take I-95 to the NJTP to the Garden
> State Parkway to I-87 north, aka the New York Thruway. Follow the
> Thruway all the way to Albany and continue on I-90 west (still the New
> York Thruway) to Utica.
If you go this way, you're adding a whole hour to your trip (more if the
weather is bad). Trust me: Follow I-83 and I-81 to Syracuse, then go
east and take the Clinton exit (N.Y. 233) off the Thruway.
KelKelSL
Keith wrote:
>Trust me: Follow I-83 and I-81 to Syracuse, then go
>east and take the Clinton exit (N.Y. 233) off the Thruway.
Just a little FYI - when on the NYS Thruway there is no sign that actually says
Clinton is an exit. The exits are Rome, Westmoreland, and Utica (in that order
going east from Syracuse). I'm not sure which is NY 233 but I believe it is
the Westmoreland exit.
If coming from the actual city limits of Utica, Clinton is about 15-20 minutes
Southeast.
Just didn't want anyone to get lost (grew up in Utica so I drive it quite often
to see the Parents).
KAC is a great venue but very small. Getting tix soon is advised (150-200
max).
Kelly SL
Geenius at Wrok
> Keith wrote:
>
> >Trust me: Follow I-83 and I-81 to Syracuse, then go
> >east and take the Clinton exit (N.Y. 233) off the Thruway.
>
> Just a little FYI - when on the NYS Thruway there is no sign that actually says
> Clinton is an exit. The exits are Rome, Westmoreland, and Utica (in that order
> going east from Syracuse). I'm not sure which is NY 233 but I believe it is
> the Westmoreland exit.
You're correct. N.Y. 233 is the Westmoreland exit. Clinton is about five
miles south of the Thruway on N.Y. 233, past Kirkland.
Aye, who's asking whom?
>Clinton is both a town and a township (the town located inside the
>township) in the general vicinity of Utica, NY, almost close enough to
>be called of suburb of Utica if only Utica were a little bigger and
>less boring :-)
1) The town of Clinton and the village of Clinton are over 100 miles from
each other (there's a town of Clinton somewhere on the Hudson). The village
of Clinton is in the town of Kirkland, south of Westmoreland (NOT W.
Moreland, but like the general from Vietnam).
2) Clinton is a suburb of Utica, although I think the technical term is
exburb (a town once its own entity but now close enough to a city that it is
assumed into an orbital position). While Clinton is definitely distinct from
Utica (the median income is higher, the houses are older, the residents
resent Uticans moving out from my Utica neighborhood to the village), it's
only five minutes from the Village Green to the main mall within forty miles
(Sangertown Square).
3) Utica isn't boring! We have a manic-depressive mayor with delusions of
being human, an art gallery designed by the greatest American architect
alive, Philip Johnson (he also designed the AT&T Building in Manhattan,
which looks like a tombstone with a scroll-hole on the top, and the Lipstick
Building), and we have some of the finest almond paste cookies in the world
(at the Florentine on Bleecker, which we misspell). Oh, and the enitre city
has this delusion that economic recoveries happen magically... okay, Utica
died in 1960 and no one has gotten an idea how to revive it. Please give me
a job! I have a bachelor's degree from a major university! I'll move
anywhere! I'll cook! I'll clean! Come back!
(I straighten my tie, wipe off the tears, and continue)
>To get there from DC, I would take I-95 to the NJTP to the Garden
>State Parkway to I-87 north, aka the New York Thruway. Follow the
>Thruway all the way to Albany and continue on I-90 west (still the New
>York Thruway) to Utica. At the Utica exit, follow signs for 5/8/12
>south & west, which should take you to "the arterial". Take the
I wouldn't want to stick anyone on the Arterial just because it has no logic
to it. We named an expressway with an adjective, not a noun (artery, a la
Boston), we put stops lights on it to please a meat market that moved across
town after it was built, and it's easier to get off at the exit past Utica
(exit 32, Westmoreland) and go south until you see a sign for Hamilton
College. While I enjoy driving the Arterial and it's an easy navigation, it
subjects visitors to a boring part of Utica and a part filled with bad
drivers (people from the country scared to drive over 50 on a four-laner,
and such. However, it's thrity-five cents less when you take exit 31
(Utica)...
>arterial past Utica until it stops being a divided highway, and you
>get to a really weird intersection, like the kind you find in Boston :)
Route 5 splits to the mall, 12 goes south to Binghamton, and 12B heads to
Clinton. It's only twisted because a local insurance firm and country club
purposely bought land in the intersection right-of-way. I am assuming the
Boston bit would be where route 2 hits Alewife Station and half a ghetto
pops up from nowhere.
>Stay in the left lane on the arterial, and when you reach the weird
>intersection get on route 12B, which will take you right into Clinton
>town center, a small park with storefront-lined roads on either side.
>Clinton's not a one-light town, but it is pretty small. Smaller than
>Northampton. Almost everything of interest is right around the town
>center.
The exception is Hamilton College, which is further up the street and up a
steep hill.
>FDC sez:
>> KAC is right in the center of village of Clinton, about 9 miles
>> southwest of Utica on Route 12B. The section of Route 12B which passes
>> on the east side of the village green is called East Park Row and the
>> venue is between nos. 9 and 10 on East Park Row. Look for the church
>> that has a tall steeple.
I can't disagree there. If the church isn't obvious, look for the car
dealership.
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peux lire francais! Dante
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> It's starting to get too close for comfort, so I'm upping the ante. I
> found a ticket for my girlfriend for 10/31, but I need another for
> myself. $100 goes to the person who is willing to part with one
> ticket for a pathetic Ohioan.
aawwWWWWW! Josh, you are a sweetheart. My sister is lucky to have you ;)
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Ofer Inbar
> 1) The town of Clinton and the village of Clinton are over 100 miles from
> each other (there's a town of Clinton somewhere on the Hudson). The village
> of Clinton is in the town of Kirkland, south of Westmoreland (NOT W.
> Moreland, but like the general from Vietnam).
Ahh, I didn't know about the other Clinton 100 miles away. So, is the
town of Kirkland located in a township or county called Clinton?
> assumed into an orbital position). While Clinton is definitely distinct from
> Utica (the median income is higher, the houses are older, the residents
> resent Uticans moving out from my Utica neighborhood to the village), it's
> only five minutes from the Village Green to the main mall within forty miles
> (Sangertown Square).
Well, yeah, but Sangertown's not exactly downtown Utica, either. It's
technically in New Hartford, and it's the other edge of New Hartford
from Utica, if I remember correctly. Not that New Hartford really has
an existence of its own - everyone who lives there says they live in
Utica, anyway :) Still, Clinton seems distant/distinct enough that,
given Utica's small size, I don't think I'd call it a suburb.
I think I bought the shirt I'm wearing now at Sangertown Square Mall :)
> 3) Utica isn't boring! We have a manic-depressive mayor with delusions of
> being human, an art gallery designed by the greatest American architect
> alive, Philip Johnson (he also designed the AT&T Building in Manhattan,
> which looks like a tombstone with a scroll-hole on the top, and the Lipstick
> Building), and we have some of the finest almond paste cookies in the world
> (at the Florentine on Bleecker, which we misspell). Oh, and the enitre city
> has this delusion that economic recoveries happen magically...
You also have the brewery that makes my favorite root beer: Saranac.
And the Boiler Run foot race (is that what it's called?)
> okay, Utica died in 1960 and no one has gotten an idea how to revive
> it. Please give me a job! I have a bachelor's degree from a major
> university! I'll move anywhere! I'll cook! I'll clean! Come back!
But yes, Utica is indeed a rather dead place.
Every Utican I've ever known will admit to this fact.
(That's five, counting you, 'cause you just admitted it too :)
> >Thruway all the way to Albany and continue on I-90 west (still the New
> >York Thruway) to Utica. At the Utica exit, follow signs for 5/8/12
> >south & west, which should take you to "the arterial". Take the
>
> I wouldn't want to stick anyone on the Arterial just because it has no logic
> to it. We named an expressway with an adjective, not a noun (artery, a la
> Boston), we put stops lights on it to please a meat market that moved across
> town after it was built, and it's easier to get off at the exit past Utica
> (exit 32, Westmoreland) and go south until you see a sign for Hamilton
Well, Geenius is probably right about the directions from DC - as I
said, I've never driven that route. Coming from Boston, though, I'd
definitely take the arterial, 'cause it's shorter and faster than
going to the Westmoreland exit (and, as you say, a bit cheaper).
Coming from the west it probably does make sense to go that route.
> College. While I enjoy driving the Arterial and it's an easy navigation, it
> subjects visitors to a boring part of Utica and a part filled with bad
No problem, take Genesee Street instead :-)
> >arterial past Utica until it stops being a divided highway, and you
> >get to a really weird intersection, like the kind you find in Boston :)
>
> Route 5 splits to the mall, 12 goes south to Binghamton, and 12B heads to
> Clinton. It's only twisted because a local insurance firm and country club
> purposely bought land in the intersection right-of-way.
Ahh, I never understood why that intersection was so weird! Thanks.
For the record, its weirdness doesn't really come into play if you're
coming from the arterial going to Clinton - just stay in the left lane
and watch for the 12B sign. Going the other way is a different matter.
But it shouldn't bother the Bostonians :)
> I am assuming the Boston bit would be where route 2 hits Alewife
> Station and half a ghetto pops up from nowhere.
Nahhh, route 2 by Alewife is actually pretty simple. I'm talking more
about places like Union Square, Somerville; Medford Square; the 28/38
exit off I-93; the route 20 exit of I-95; the soldiers field road &
memorial drive loop/split/merge thingies on either side of the Charles
in Newton and Watertown; the little mess by the Arborway T stop; South
Station; The Jamaicaway meeting Commonwealth Ave & Storrow Drive;
Harvard Square / Brattle Square ...
> --no really, gimme a job! Four years in radio! Office and sales training! Je
> peux lire francais! Dante
Move to Boston ;-)
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Aye, who's asking whom?
>town of Kirkland located in a township or county called Clinton?
Neither. Let me explain: in New York State, villages are incorporated
subsets of towns (or townships, if you will). While each town need not have
any villages, there are no parts of New York State that lack a township or a
city to incorporate the land. The town of Kirkland holds within it Clinton,
Franklin Springs, and I think it may have some other chunk called Hecla.
Counties hold the many towns and cities, with the exception of New York
City (which holds five counties, each of which is a borough. However, if you
ask I can tell you about the exception) The Clinton we will be seeing
Fruvous within is in Oneida County, as is Utica (one of two county seats)
and that casino off exit 33. The city of Oneida is in Madison County, but
the village of Oneida Castle is in Oneida County. Clinton County is at the
top of the state and bordered by Lake Champlain, its county seat being
Plattsburgh. It's this kind of logic that keeps the Empire State on top.
>Well, yeah, but Sangertown's not exactly downtown Utica, either. It's
>technically in New Hartford, and it's the other edge of New Hartford
New Hartford has no edge. It's the suburbs: they can't swing, man...
>from Utica, if I remember correctly. Not that New Hartford really has
>an existence of its own - everyone who lives there says they live in
>Utica, anyway :) Still, Clinton seems distant/distinct enough that,
>given Utica's small size, I don't think I'd call it a suburb.
Utica HAS suburbs, okay? Utica is a city, and suburbs are the towns around a
city holding residents that work in that city or in other towns near the
city. So what if New Hartford's population is now close to Utica's, and
Utica's shrinks 1000 a year (it was 100k in 1960, now it's closer to 65k).
Worcester has suburbs, and even Pittsfield has suburbs. Size, the poorly
hung city proclaims, has nothing to do with it.
>You also have the brewery that makes my favorite root beer: Saranac.
>And the Boiler Run foot race (is that what it's called?)
Boilermaker, like the drink. When I was a kid, brewery tours were free.
>No problem, take Genesee Street instead :-)
While Genesee Street is pretty, is has the most traffic light of any length
of city street in the electrified part of the world. None of these lights
are co-ordinated, so you get to know each one quite well. It takes 15
minutes to get to Utica National (the 5 -12 - 12B split) by Genesee Street,
and six by the Arterial.
By the way, for those of you coming from Philly, I'd take 476 until it
becomes that Penn Pike N.E. Extension, then I-81 north past Binghamton. Get
off exit 6 and turn right (follow signs for Norwich) onto route 12 north.
Take that past Norwich into Sherburne, then 12B north into Clinton. (Right
before Clinton, a sign for 233 north appears with a sign for Hamilton
College. Hint hint.)
>Move to Boston ;-)
I debated moving to Boston once, but your rents are HIGH and while you have
a beautiful mass-transit system, it's only useful if you're going downtown.
--Can't get there from here, Dante
Wbsmiles
question in the first place , ;o). Now I just have to piece 'em all together
and sit down with my handy dandy atlas, but if I call lost, will someone come
get me? :o)
Smiles,
Wendy :o)