Monkees at Wembley Arena 1997
Nick Sherreard
at all.
Was anybody else there?
All 4 monkees together wow!
Micky Dolenz back on Drums with energy and enthusiasm Wow!
( His click track coming in too early on almost every song obscuring all the
between song chatter, "Oh Dear")
Davy Jones playing a bit of rudimentary Guitar Wowish !
Peter Tork playing a Bach toccata "Let's go to the bar"
Followed by Davy singing Valleri Dressed as Superman , "Well that brought
the pretentious assholes back to earth".
In short a bit of a let down, especially when you discover that the three
Yanks still haven't heard of irony, can you imagine Five or Boyzone coming
back in 30 years and taking themselves quite so seriously!
And the musicianship, Well Peter Tork is the only one worth mentioning and
that applies to Keyboard and Bass only as his guitar work is risible and his
singing "OOOOOh Jesus!"
Still Nesmith singing Rio was still sublime, and I enjoyed the night as a
whole.
Anyone care to discuss!
Nick The Smurf
randy
"Nick Sherreard" <nicksh...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
>
> And the musicianship, Well Peter Tork is the only one worth mentioning and
> that applies to Keyboard and Bass only as his guitar work is risible
someone has his thesaurus out
and can you provide a reason for the "three yanks don't undersand irony"
comment?
Nick Sherreard
I stand by what I said, the three yanks took themselves too seriously. As
for a definition of irony go look it up in the dictionary. Davy Jones
understood, didn't he write a book called "They Made a Monkee out of Me".
I don't expect my transatlantic cousins to understand irony, Alanis
Morrisette famously wrote that song "Ironic" in which she fail to name one
ironic event so need I say more.
After all as Mickey said in his book " Pop music is mind candy". You
wouldn't therefore expect the kind of crap torch singing he displayed in his
solo spot at Wembley arena, but there you go.
Work it out for yourselves Monkeefans.
randy wrote in message ...
randy
obviously have confused irony with a pun regarding jones' book.
> After all as Mickey said in his book " Pop music is mind candy". You
> wouldn't therefore expect the kind of crap torch singing he displayed in
his
> solo spot at Wembley arena, but there you go.
exactly how does statement #1 lead to the conclusion you reach in statement
#2? in fact, i think that the two taken together disprove your thesis that
the monkees don't undersand irony-- presenting "mind candy" with pompous
style. when he sings like that -- and i've seen him do so up close -- his
expression usually make it clear that he is doing so tongue firmly in cheek.
Claire Abraham
Nick Sherreard wrote:
> RE the following:
> I stand by what I said, the three yanks took themselves too seriously. As
> for a definition of irony go look it up in the dictionary. Davy Jones
> understood, didn't he write a book called "They Made a Monkee out of Me".
definition: irony: a figure of speech in which the literal meaning is the
opposite of the intended meaning. used in ridicule, contempt or humor. Also:
an outcome which is opposed to that which one has been led to expect. Your
perception of the concert as ironic may indeed be valid. What led you to feel
that way?
>
>
> I don't expect my transatlantic cousins to understand irony, Alanis
> Morrisette famously wrote that song "Ironic" in which she fail to name one
> ironic event so need I say more.
Just because Alanis has bad lyrics does not follow that none of us understand
irony. I didn't see the show. What did you find ironic about it? The one
comment you made that I understood clearly is that the only musician in the
3kess worth a poot is Peter, and primarily on keyboard and bass. Uh, yeah, some
of us knew that. He also rocks on banjo, by the way. It is to your credit that
you even noticed that Peter was rather better than the other two.. The media
perpensity to lump him willy-nilly with Tweedle Drum and Tweedle Davy bugs
me. You say his guitar work is "risible" - "capable of exciting laughter" -
and vocals are not his strength. I'd call his guitar work average and say the
effectiveness of his vocal performance depends *desperately* on what song he is
asked to sing, (a number of songs actually work, a few, like Lucille, are
amazing, and they tend not to be Monkee tunes) but I think I follow you. I'd
say you have a case for what you've said. Now, what was ironic?
>
>
>
> Work it out for yourselves Monkeefans.
What am I working out?
Claire Abraham
Nick Sherreard wrote:
And I just realized something even more shocking.
You reviewed a performance at which Lord God Nesmith, the only Monkee ever
credited with talent, was present, and still thought only PT's work on two
instruments was worth mentioning. I'm confused. Isn't Mike kind of good on
lead guitar? (His strength is songwriting, but this was not discussed here._)
pacjoy
Claire Abraham <abra...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Work it out for yourselves Monkeefans.
>
> What am I working out?
>
The fact that he's a smurf, er troll? <shrug>
The majority of us Yanks haven't seen The Monkees
in concert in '97, so it's kind of amazing that
we are supposed to know exactly how "serious" all
four Monkees looked on stage. Davy dressing as
Superman on stage and taking himself seriously,
now that's ironic (or oxymoronic?).
Estrella
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pacjoy
pacjoy <pac...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>Davy dressing as Superman on stage...
Er, that's supposed to be "dressed as Superman",
that would be an interesting show seeing him "dressing"
as Superman. ;-)
Erica
snipparino
> Nick Sherreard wrote:
>
> > Work it out for yourselves Monkeefans.
>
> What am I working out?
Your abs? Buns of Steel anyone?
Erica
Claire Abraham
pacjoy wrote:
> In article <39DFFD19...@earthlink.net>,
> Claire Abraham <abra...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > Work it out for yourselves Monkeefans.
> >
> > What am I working out?
> >
>
> The fact that he's a smurf, er troll? <shrug>
Oh, I don't know. Some of his criticisms might have been warranted. He
didn't just make a blanket statement that they sucked; he listed
particular weaknesses (like PT's vocals) which might be legitimate. He
also liked Mike's song, though it took me a minute to realize he'd said
*Nez* couldn't play. I thought he might have been giving a genuine
review.
> The majority of us Yanks haven't seen The Monkees
> in concert in '97, so it's kind of amazing that
> we are supposed to know exactly how "serious" all
> four Monkees looked on stage.
I only saw them in 1987. They certainly didn't seem too serious then.
> Davy dressing as
> Superman on stage and taking himself seriously,
> now that's ironic (or oxymoronic?).
Well, he said the Yanks took themselves seriously. Last time I checked,
Davy was English. I have a hard time believing Dolenz took anything
onstage over seriously. (Of course, as a good Texas belle I could argue
that the only real "yankee" in the Monkees was that Village street
hippie, PT.)
Michele
Hey don't insult the smurfs : ) Unless there is another
meaning there. I liked the smurfs when I was younger.
Michele
Michele
I think that is the first review where i read he dressed
like that. They do a lot of comedy skits when on stage. ( of
course you all know that, you all probably have gone to more
then 2 concerts in your lifetime. Do i sound jealous? : ) )
From all the reviews I have read they sound like 3 guys who
like to entertain fans and know how to have fun.
MIchele
Michele
>
>
> Well, he said the Yanks took themselves seriously. Last time I checked,
> Davy was English. I have a hard time believing Dolenz took anything
> onstage over seriously. (Of course, as a good Texas belle I could argue
> that the only real "yankee" in the Monkees was that Village street
> hippie, PT.)
>
> >
> >
> > Estrella
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
Well he is from the north. : ) I have never noticed them ever taking
themselves too seriously.
roo
Okay, I saw them there.
On that particular date I didn't notice anyone on stage taking
things "too seriously". Off-stage maybe (myself included ;).
And sorry, I cannot give an objective account/criticism of what the
concert was like. I had waited for 6 years and Nez was there...I
bloody loved it! <g>
Davy dressing up is funny? Hmmm...I guess I was just looking at the
reaction of that man in the cap and sunglasses. Hehe.
roo
**have a shpadoinkle day anyway!**
so says the regular lama of the LMTA
pacjoy
> He didn't just make a blanket statement that they sucked; he listed
> particular weaknesses (like PT's vocals) which might be legitimate
I didn't mind his review overall (it's his opinion,
he's entitled to it), just that I don't understand
this snippy, blanket "I don't expect my
transatlantic cousins to understand irony" reply
to Randy's post.
If he expected The Monkees to be fun instead
of "serious" performers, then wouldn't that
mean that the three Yanks did indeed understand irony?
I'm a little confused on the points he's trying
to clear up for Randy.
>Well, he said the Yanks took themselves seriously. Last time I
>checked, Davy was English.
Oops, you're right. :) Shows how confused I am.
Michele
> In article <39E07B80...@earthlink.net>,
> Claire Abraham <abra...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > The fact that he's a smurf, er troll? <shrug>
> >
> > Oh, I don't know. Some of his criticisms might have been warranted.
> > He didn't just make a blanket statement that they sucked; he listed
> > particular weaknesses (like PT's vocals) which might be legitimate
>
> I didn't mind his review overall (it's his opinion,
> he's entitled to it), just that I don't understand
> this snippy, blanket "I don't expect my
> transatlantic cousins to understand irony" reply
> to Randy's post.
>
> If he expected The Monkees to be fun instead
> of "serious" performers, then wouldn't that
> mean that the three Yanks did indeed understand irony?
> I'm a little confused on the points he's trying
> to clear up for Randy.
>
> >Well, he said the Yanks took themselves seriously. Last time I
> >checked, Davy was English.
>
> Oops, you're right. :) Shows how confused I am.
>
> Estrella
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
You understand the original poster better then I did. Actually Peter is
probably the only Yankee ( northern right ).
Leisa
Michele <bel...@uswest.net> wrote in message
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> pacjoy wrote:
>
>
> You understand the original poster better then I did. Actually Peter is
> probably the only Yankee ( northern right ).
>
>
That depends on where you live. To Brits, all Americans are Yanks. To a
Texan, anyone not from Texas is a Yankee. "Yanks" and "Yankee" aren't really
the same thing. A Texan would always say "Yankee" (or the more popular
"Damnyankee" <g>).
So from my perspective, the Monkees contains two Yankees, 1 Texan, and one
foreigner, or 3 Yanks and a Brit.
Leisa
Daye
>That depends on where you live. To Brits, all Americans are Yanks.
To a
>Texan, anyone not from Texas is a Yankee. "Yanks" and "Yankee"
aren't really
>the same thing. A Texan would always say "Yankee" (or the more
popular
>"Damnyankee" <g>).
Being from both Alabama and Texas, I now live in Australia. I
*hate* being called a Yankee by Aussies. I may be a Yank (I am from
the US), but I am not a Yankee. Yankees are from north of the
Mason-Dixon line. I personally think anyone north of the
Mason-Dixon is a Yankee.
>So from my perspective, the Monkees contains two Yankees, 1 Texan,
and one
>foreigner, or 3 Yanks and a Brit.
From my perspective, it is 1 Yankee, 1 Texan, 1 Englishman and 1
from California. Maybe I am looking too closely at this issue.
Daye
pacjoy
bel...@uswest.net wrote:
>
> You understand the original poster better then I did. Actually Peter
>is probably the only Yankee ( northern right ).
>
Well, actually in this case, Micky, Mike, and Peter are "Yanks" (Brit
slang for Americans). :) "Yankee" could refer to Peter (sometimes it
means a person in/from Connecticut or New England, and other times it
means someone in/from the northern United States).
Throbred72
Donna
Bartender, LMTA
Erica
wrote:
> Hey don't insult the smurfs : ) Unless there is another
> meaning there. I liked the smurfs when I was younger.
>
> Michele
Davy as Superman? Sounds more like something Freddie Mercury used to do
on stage.
Erica
Andrew Facherty
> Okay, I saw them there.
Me too!
> On that particular date I didn't notice anyone on stage taking
> things "too seriously".
Agreed - but there were no comedy skits (as others have seen at other
shows), but they did show some video segments. The four of them seemed
serious about making good music.
> And sorry, I cannot give an objective account/criticism of what the
> concert was like.
I did post my review here on the night of the concert, but I wouldn't
claim it was objective.
> I had waited for 6 years
Just 6? I had waited thirty years for the four Monkees to play together
in England!
> and Nez was there...I
> bloody loved it!
He was the only one I had seen before, and he was far better with a
small audience at the University of Sussex in 1975.
> Davy dressing up is funny?
Nope - it was crap.
> **have a shpadoinkle day anyway!**
Alright... I _will_.
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