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Ross Wm. Rader
Hi all,
Rather than wait for a ton of feedback on this issue etc., I have received a
few responses back from my earlier post suggesting that we setup a moderated
mailing list designed to replace this NG in order to cut back on the SPAM,
crap and everything else we have witnessed over the last few months.
If you are interested in subscribing, send an email to mod...@idirect.com
with the subject "subscribe". You will get a confirmation of request back
which, if you reply to, will automatically add you to the list.
I have decided to do this low budget for now, but I do have a confirmation
from the ISP that I work for that we can get the resources if required. As a
result, I am running this pretty much as an experiment for the time being,
but if it catches on, we do have some pretty big horsepower to fall back on.
I haven't created an AUP for the list yet (it is only 45 minutes old), but I
will this weekend and make it available to all.
I hope that there is utility in this effort because we have seen far to much
hoopla here lately that really shouldn't be happening, after all, it really
is about the music, stupid.
-Freejack
Steve Gilmore
"Ross Wm. Rader" <rwmr...@idirect.com> wrote:
>If you are interested in subscribing, send an email to mod...@idirect.com
>with the subject "subscribe". You will get a confirmation of request back
>which, if you reply to, will automatically add you to the list.
>I hope that there is utility in this effort because we have seen far to much
>hoopla here lately that really shouldn't be happening, after all, it really
>is about the music, stupid.
Hey Freejack
I heartily applaud your effort here, but I need to find out a lot more
about how it's gonna work.
See, from my perspective, the reason these ng's work the way they do
is *because* we wade our way through this *every single day*. I know
I started off this little topic with my OctaMED posting, and I have to
make one thing really clear...
This newsgroups survival is what we are about. I've spent too long
(as indeed have a few others) in trying to sustain that and I won't
give up easily. What we have to do is to maintain the level of
approachability it currently has - not make it harder for new people
to join in.
Unless the system is clearly defined, and easily accessible, I can't
see much future in it.
Take, for example, the current trend towards web-based newsgroups (ie
bulletin boards as UT calls 'em). So far I've tried a few of these
and found that none of them sustained my interest like these
newsgroups do. That's even counting the normally excellent ones from
the aforementioned United Trackers, and the well visited Computer
Music Forum at MODplug Central.
No spam there admittedly, but you'll be looking at that infernal
hourglass a lot. Quick they ain't....
Be more specific. What do you intend to do? Cull the most
interesting threads? Even, should there be such an event, download
posted MODs?
Steve Gilmore
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Hugh
> Hey Freejack
>
> I heartily applaud your effort here, but I need t..blah..blah..
>
> See, from my perspective, the reason these ng's wo..blah..blah..blah
> This newsgroups survival is what we are abo..blah..blah..blah
>
> Unless the system is clearly defined, and e..blah..blah..blah
>
> Take, for example, the current trend towards web-based newsgroups
> So far I've tried a few of these and found that none of them sustained my interest
> like these newsgroups do.
c'mon.. *I*'m in these groups.. (and it seems Ray has gone to his own Mailling
list.. (/me has a party of his own in a secluded corner.. yay!)) ..so no wonder it's
interesting.. <GRIN> (don't tell Mistress i said that or my next post will be done
standing up!)
- Hugh (seeing himself as the top of the world, of course..)
Ross Wm. Rader
>Hey Freejack
>
>I heartily applaud your effort here, but I need to find out a lot more
>about how it's gonna work.
>
>See, from my perspective, the reason these ng's work the way they do
>is *because* we wade our way through this *every single day*. I know
>I started off this little topic with my OctaMED posting, and I have to
>make one thing really clear...
>
>This newsgroups survival is what we are about. I've spent too long
>(as indeed have a few others) in trying to sustain that and I won't
>give up easily. What we have to do is to maintain the level of
>approachability it currently has - not make it harder for new people
>to join in.
>
>Unless the system is clearly defined, and easily accessible, I can't
>see much future in it.
It's pretty simple actually - I have setup a real-time, interactive mailing
list that will allow users to post back and forth with the list management
software as the go between. I made a few mods (not musical - software <g>)
that keep things on an even keel (ie - binary thresholds etc.,).
The software processes all messages every fifteen minutes and sends them to
the people that have subscribed to the list. There are really three main
differences in the way a mailing list works as opposed to newsgroups -
1) posts are replicated, but not stored
2) twit filters can be easily used
3) someone ultimately does have control (which is kind of scary to me, but I
am pretty sure that the trick is to let the subscribers and the software
call the shots, sort of like when I was a BBS sysop.)
It is accesible however - there are no "membership" requirements as such.
The only requisite that I have put in place is that in order to subscribe,
you must understand that "It's about the music, stupid!". In fact, that is
the only rule that the list has.
>Take, for example, the current trend towards web-based newsgroups (ie
>bulletin boards as UT calls 'em). So far I've tried a few of these
>and found that none of them sustained my interest like these
>newsgroups do. That's even counting the normally excellent ones from
>the aforementioned United Trackers, and the well visited Computer
>Music Forum at MODplug Central.
>
>No spam there admittedly, but you'll be looking at that infernal
>hourglass a lot. Quick they ain't....
I agree - web based systems have a long way to go. The fast ones are usually
to difficult to navigate and the easy to navigate ones are usually too slow.
Plus there is something likeable about the simple look and feel of
email/news.
>Be more specific. What do you intend to do? Cull the most
>interesting threads? Even, should there be such an event, download
>posted MODs?
Nope, this list really isn't intended to act as a replacement for a.m.m.,
but rather a haven that serious trackers and interested parties can gather
and get the straight goods without having to worry about crack-weasels or
spam. There is no gateway between a.m.m./a.b.s.m., but I will be posting a
weekly digest back to the ng's from the list when things get rocking.
If you are really interested in seeing how things work, just drop an email
to mod...@idirect.com with the subject "subscribe". Once you are all signed
up, send an email to the list and you'll see *exactly* how the system is
setup - it's pretty neat actually. I am subscribed to about 15 other mailing
lists myself (I get about 400-500 pieces of mail a day), but I've never been
privy to the proceedings on the list management side, it's quite cool
actually.
Let me know if you need some further info...
-Freejack
Hugh
let me ask something...
if newsgroups do such a good job, and quickly, too, why they need replacing
with something buggy, hard to navigate and less reliable?! ("If it ain't broke,
don't fix it" as people keep trying to quote out of context at college)
as for whoever is in control................ ..............i only like 1 person
to be in control of what i do, and only one person has ever been in control of
what i do, so i for one will be sticking around here until it actually dies of
its own accord.
Tobias Reckhard (jester)
SPAM---rjf@abdn.ac.uk RubZ
} few responses back from my earlier post suggesting that we setup a moderated
} mailing list designed to replace this NG in order to cut back on the SPAM,
} crap and everything else we have witnessed over the last few months.
Personally I just navigate around the spam (which is generally pretty
obvious because of its title e.g. "make money" )
And the occasional download of spam I've missed is far less of a
nuisance than having a mailing list thing forced upon my mailbox every
x days. Furthermore, a newsgroup is properly threaded, whereas it
would be horrible to navigate a huge big mail file looking for
followups.
Furthermore...moderated...I like it not. It slows down the speed of
other people being able to read it, and respond, and also I don't want
anything I say to be censored if you believe differently.
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK
Would you have left that in? I think not, and yet it contributed an
enormous point to this particular post.....
Plus this newsgroup exists....the mod scene is already fragmented
enough, we don't need yet *another* method of communication, it would
spread it far to thinly.
So I am firmly boycotting this idea.
--
"wo9ld"
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Steve Gilmore
Hugh <hugh....@virgin.net> wrote:
>let me ask something...
> if newsgroups do such a good job, and quickly, too, why they need replacing
>with something buggy, hard to navigate and less reliable?! ("If it ain't broke,
>don't fix it" as people keep trying to quote out of context at college)
>
>as for whoever is in control................ ..............i only like 1 person
>to be in control of what i do, and only one person has ever been in control of
>what i do, so i for one will be sticking around here until it actually dies of
>its own accord.
>
Hugh, I know this may be a little difficult to understand but you are
*ssssoooo* RIIGHT!!! After all, isn't that the reason most of us
track in the first place?
I've grown old in worse places<g>
Hugh
> I second this motion!
/me gloats
Hugh
> Hugh, I know this may be a little difficult to understand but you are
> *ssssoooo* RIIGHT!!! After all, isn't that the reason most of us
> track in the first place?
>
> I've grown old in worse places<g>
/me grins, and gloats and says "course i'm right!" lol (pls ignore me if u get
offended by me posting stuff... See "Final Warning to Mr Hugh Hulme" from "Mr
Raymond Burt Frost")
hu...@webnet.org.uk
In my defence, this was 14 YEARS ago ;)
The Med Sound Studio website is still shit, though.