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Jackson may have personal reason to be in court Monday: Sneddon

8/14/04

By DAWN HOBBS

NEWS-PRESS STAFF WRITER

Michael Jackson doesn't have to be in a Santa Maria courtroom on Monday,
but he's not passing up an opportunity to watch his defense lawyers
grill the man who is trying for a second time to put him behind bars for
alleged child molestation.

The entertainer's thinly veiled distaste for Santa Barbara County
District Attorney Tom Sneddon became evident on the "HIStory" album 10
years ago when Mr. Jackson wrote a song about a prosecutor called
"D.S.," accusing him of being a "cold man" out to get him.

The name "Dom S. Sheldon" was used in the lyrics instead of "Thomas
Sneddon," in what was widely interpreted as an attack on Mr. Sneddon,
who investigated Mr. Jackson in connection with allegations of sexual
molestation in 1993. The case crumbled, however, when the accuser
refused to testify after a reported multimillion-dollar settlement.

Mr. Jackson's presence in court Monday is likely motivated by more than
just legal interest in the rare questioning of a prosecutor as a witness
in his own case, legal observers say.

"He has a very personal interest in this questioning," said Laurie
Levenson, professor at Loyola University School of Law. "I think Jackson
wants to look Sneddon in the eye. I think he wants to see his lawyer
beat up a little bit on the prosecutor who wants to put him away. . . .
I don't know if it's to show Sneddon he's not afraid of him or show him
'I'm going to take you on if you destroy my life.' "

A key defense strategy has been to question Mr. Sneddon's conduct,
accusing him of having a vendetta against Mr. Jackson stemming from the
failure of the 1993 case. As evidence of this strategy, the defense team
-- led by Thomas Mesereau -- has accused Mr. Sneddon of prosecutorial
misconduct during grand jury proceedings in April, claiming he
"bullied," "threatened," and "intimidated" witnesses. Defense lawyers
also assert Mr. Sneddon stepped over the line by surveilling and taking
photographs of a private investigator's office in preparation for a raid
in November.

"I suppose he (Mr. Jackson) wants to see the gentleman on the stand who
may have well nursed a vendetta against him since 1993," said Robert
Pugsley, professor at Southwestern University School of Law.

A gag order in the case prevents prosecutors and defense lawyers from
commenting. But the prosecution team has adamantly maintained in court
that it has done nothing wrong since the investigation of this case
began. And Mr. Sneddon has previously said that he carries no vendetta
against Mr. Jackson.

At issue in Monday's hearing is whether Mr. Sneddon knew, or reasonably
should have known, that private investigator Bradley Miller was working
for Mr. Jackson's lawyer at the time, Mark Geragos, when he obtained an
affidavit to raid the investigator's office Nov. 18, the same day he led
a raid at Mr. Jackson's Neverland Valley Ranch. If so, defense lawyers
contend attorney-client privilege was violated and the evidence seized
from the private investigator's office, including videos, audiotapes and
computers, should be thrown out.

Prosecutors insist they did not know about Mr. Miller's working
relationship with Mr. Geragos before the raid. At a hearing in July, Mr.
Sneddon indicated he "had nothing to hide" and was prepared to testify
then.

The last hearing Mr. Jackson attended was April 30, when he pleaded not
guilty to molestation and conspiracy charges. Mr. Jackson has waived his
right to attend other hearings although his presence will be required at
trial.

"By being there (Monday), Michael Jackson is showing he's taking the
case seriously," Mr. Pugsley said. "He's also showing up to demonstrate
he's not intimidated as a defendant in this case by the tactics Mr.
Sneddon's law enforcement agents used in executing the warrant -- like
sledgehammering their way into the private investigator's office."

There may be legal justification for why Mr. Jackson will be present
Monday, but there's another rationale that may speak to a more subtle
aspect of the defense strategy. His presence could give the defense
lawyers an opportunity to put the most powerful force in the prosecution
of Mr. Jackson off balance.

"Having Jackson there, in a way, also may be that they're trying to
provoke Sneddon," Ms. Levenson said. "It may be a little more unnerving
for Sneddon to testify with Jackson sitting right there."

And regardless of whether they can shake the veteran prosecutor, the
defense lawyers "will have Sneddon on the stand and be accusing him of
being unprofessional," she said. "It's probably a moment Jackson doesn't
want to miss."

Michael Jackson will listen to Tom Sneddon testify on Monday.

newspress.com

2nz

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Aug 14, 2004, 8:54:14 AM8/14/04
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>Subject: Jackson may have personal reason to be in court Monday: Sneddon
>From: BettyBoop*begone*to...@hotmail.com (BBoop)

<snip>


>"He has a very personal interest in this questioning," said Laurie
>Levenson, professor at Loyola University School of Law. "I think Jackson
>wants to look Sneddon in the eye. I think he wants to see his lawyer
>beat up a little bit on the prosecutor who wants to put him away. . . .
>I don't know if it's to show Sneddon he's not afraid of him or show him
>'I'm going to take you on if you destroy my life.' "
>

Take him on, how? With a super duper glare that will have Sneddon quaking in
his boots (hee hee)?
Nope.......Wacko's gonna check it out to see if He thinks He can handle what is
yet to come. Will it be palatable to him..or will it be yucky, scary and too
unpleasant?
I think he's gonna be there for the photo op and to decide whether or not he's
gonna be a chickenshit and run. He ain't no Rambo, ya know.


What A Friend We Have In Cheeses.







andy

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Aug 14, 2004, 10:42:43 AM8/14/04
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"2nz" <tun...@aol.compost> wrote in message
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I hope he doesnt run! The amount of weird stories that wil come about wacko
will keep the f"loons embarrassed forever

BBoop

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Aug 14, 2004, 10:02:10 AM8/14/04
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2nz <tun...@aol.compost> wrote:

> Take him on, how? With a super duper glare that will have Sneddon quaking
> in his boots (hee hee)? Nope.......Wacko's gonna check it out to see if He
> thinks He can handle what is yet to come. Will it be palatable to him..or
> will it be yucky, scary and too unpleasant? I think he's gonna be there
> for the photo op and to decide whether or not he's gonna be a chickenshit
> and run. He ain't no Rambo, ya know.

His lawyer has him jacked up. He told MJ that he's going to rake
Sneddon over the coals and MJ is convinced he's going to be entertained.

It would be so great to have a camera in the courtroom, not so much on
Sneddon, but on MJ to see if he makes faces.

alan jones

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Aug 14, 2004, 11:05:19 AM8/14/04
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All very good points, but there's also the issue of press interest.
With Michael there, the world's press is bound to show up for
their money's worth of imagies.

This case is now about the calibre of Sneddon's judgment, his
professionalism now, at the time of the arrest, and of course
back in '93.

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BBoop

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alan jones <o...@freeukFromSpam.com> wrote:

> This case is now about the calibre of Sneddon's judgment, his
> professionalism now, at the time of the arrest, and of course
> back in '93.

Just part of the hearing is about Sneddon. The case maintains its
focus.

Tattoo Vampire

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Aug 14, 2004, 12:14:50 PM8/14/04
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BBoop wrote:

> "Having Jackson there, in a way, also may be that they're trying to
> provoke Sneddon," Ms. Levenson said. "It may be a little more unnerving
> for Sneddon to testify with Jackson sitting right there."

What exactly does Sneddon have to be afraid of? Is Michael going to make
devil horns at him?
--
[tv]

Double agenf of ammj and Controller of John Lucas the fucktard

BBoop

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Aug 14, 2004, 1:01:32 PM8/14/04
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Tattoo Vampire <sit...@this.machine> wrote:

> > "Having Jackson there, in a way, also may be that they're trying to
> > provoke Sneddon," Ms. Levenson said. "It may be a little more unnerving
> > for Sneddon to testify with Jackson sitting right there."
>
> What exactly does Sneddon have to be afraid of? Is Michael going to make
> devil horns at him?

Levenson has been very sympathetic toward Michael. I think she's one
who has already questioned the ethics of the PI's raid.

This is very important to the case because the original tape that
allegedly shows Michael or whoever cajoling or threatening the family to
make wonderful comments about Michael is in the evidence under that
search warrant. If they can make this search warrant illegal, the
evidence obtained under the warrant may be judged as inadmissible.

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alan jones

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"BBoop" <BettyBoop*begone*to...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1gii629.111vcu01ngh8udN%BettyBoop*begone*to...@hotmail.com...

Whether you want to admit it or not, Sneddon's professionalism,
his judgment on all things related to this case, are intrinsic to this
case. His early involvement with the accusing family, prior to there
being any accusation by that family will also be questioned.

> "alan jones" <o...@freeukFromSpam.com> wrote in message news:PSpTc.128$s72...@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...


> > All very good points, but there's also the issue of press interest.
> > With Michael there, the world's press is bound to show up for
> > their money's worth of imagies.
> >

> > This case is now about the calibre of Sneddon's judgment, his
> > professionalism now, at the time of the arrest, and of course
> > back in '93.
> >

BBoop

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Aug 14, 2004, 2:46:23 PM8/14/04
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alan jones <o...@freeukFromSpam.com> wrote:

> Whether you want to admit it or not, Sneddon's professionalism,
> his judgment on all things related to this case, are intrinsic to this
> case. His early involvement with the accusing family, prior to there
> being any accusation by that family will also be questioned.

It should be questioned. As much as possible should be looked into, on
both sides of the courtroom. Whether Sneddon made some professional
mistakes or not does not change the past. It's all part of the
defense's standard try-anything plans to help their client. Michael
complains to them about Sneddon being after him all these years, they've
found an avenue to pursue. If it doesn't work, they'll change their
main focus back to the family.

mr...@wi.rr.com

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Aug 14, 2004, 3:38:53 PM8/14/04
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Agree, it's MJ's attempt to save face (no pun) and stand up to Sneddon by
appearing. He would not have the balls, I think, to appear at this point
without the support of his family's presence.

Too bad for MJ tho' that the evidence is too strong to make any difference.

I am guessing he will showboat in some way (before or after) to keep up the
image his fans have swallowed (no pun also).

Erick

MYopinion

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Aug 14, 2004, 8:05:51 PM8/14/04
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BettyBOOBOOO,

As usual, you know jackshit. Michael's lawyer doesn't need to tell
Michael what to do. Michael decides what he wants to do and that's the
bottomline. If you weren't so busy straddling the fence, then you could
see that. You can bet your ass that if Michael didn't want to go, then
he wouldn't go whether Messeraeu told him to go or not. Miss Smartass,
surely you know that MJ does not HAVE to go.

I think that he is going just to show that crook Snakedon that he has no
intention of running from this case. From the day of his arrest, Michael
has shown that he is ready to kick some Mad Dog ass. He has never
wavered from that strength and determination. I know that you bashers
are pissing in your panties, hoping that he
"runs" from this case. It just isn't going to happen. Maybe, you people
need to turn your attention to Robert Blake and Phil Spector.

pk

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2nz

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Aug 14, 2004, 8:27:06 PM8/14/04
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>Subject: Re: Jackson may have personal reason to be in court Monday: Sneddon
>From: Pame...@webtv.net (MYopinion)

<snip>


>From the day of his arrest, Michael
>has shown that he is ready to kick some Mad Dog ass. He has never
>wavered from that strength and determination.

Except when it comes to his shoulder....or spiders.....or the sun.....or
girls....or _______ (fill in the blank).

andy

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"MYopinion" <Pame...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> BettyBOOBOOO,
>
> As usual, you know jackshit. Michael's lawyer doesn't need to tell
> Michael what to do. Michael decides what he wants to do and that's the
> bottomline.

Wrong again, i thought Oscar was a lawyer. Wackos lawyer will advise him of
what is best, if he says "Wacko attend" then wacko will attend

If you weren't so busy straddling the fence, then you could
> see that. You can bet your ass that if Michael didn't want to go, then
> he wouldn't go whether Messeraeu told him to go or not. Miss Smartass,
> surely you know that MJ does not HAVE to go.

Actually you are correct!! But to ignore a lawyers advisie would be stupid,
Wacko has bee ordered to attend.

>
> I think that he is going just to show that crook Snakedon that he has no
> intention of running from this case. From the day of his arrest, Michael
> has shown that he is ready to kick some Mad Dog ass.

Nope. He has cried about imaginary damaged shoulders and the infamous dooh
dooh

He has never
> wavered from that strength and determination. I know that you bashers
> are pissing in your panties, hoping that he
> "runs" from this case.

Fvck no!! So much fun and revelations concerning wacko will be revealed that
i can"t wait

It just isn't going to happen. Maybe, you people
> need to turn your attention to Robert Blake and Phil Spector.

I thought we were discussing alleged paedophiles?

>
> pk
>


explorer

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"Tattoo Vampire" <sit...@this.machine> wrote in message
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This could be a chance for Mesereau to see just how badly The Pedophile of
Pop will behave while testimony is going on so he can attempt to correct it
or minimalize the damaging effects of his behavior before they are actually
in front of a jury.

I predict The Pedophile of Pop will alternate his time between being in his
own little world, oblivious to everything else, and giggling at
inappropriate moments.


MYopinion

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Aug 14, 2004, 10:21:00 PM8/14/04
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Tattoo,

Sneakdon SHOULD be afraid of being exposed for the corrupt DA that he
is.

pam

MYopinion

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Aug 14, 2004, 10:29:57 PM8/14/04
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Natboo00,

I don't believe that Michael or anyone else cajoled or threatened the
Grifter family to say nice things.That's the LIE that Snakedon wants
GULLIBLE people to believe. He has to have a REASON for the nice things
that they said without being forced. If you knew what I know about these
tapes, then you would say>"Snakedon is a lying SOB."

pk

MYopinion

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Aug 14, 2004, 10:38:47 PM8/14/04
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Natboooo,

SNAKEdon made much MORE than professional mistakes. That's like saying
this rabid dog dropped his bone. He has made CORRUPT "mistakes."

You seem to have it all wrong. It is not MJ who is using the "try
anything" tactic, it is the Mad Dog. He changed the timeline, he has
changed the charges to fit his scheme, he is playing the game-"Throw the
Dart" and where it lands that's what they'll go with. He is using 75
search warrants to find ANYTHING to try and get Michael. It's not about
Gavin being molested, because he wasn't. It's about his goal/agenda to
get Michael at any costs. He couldn't do it in 1993 and since he saw the
LWMJ docu he thought>"Here's my chance to get him."
This creature doesn't care if a kid was molested or not. He is after
SELF-SATISFACTION. He doesn't care a damn about whether any real crime
was committed. He wants revenge. This has been eating at him for 10
years and he is using the Grifter family to fulfill his vendetta.

pk

caryrjr

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"MYopinion" <Pame...@webtv.net> wrote

If you knew what I know about these
> tapes, then you would say>"Snakedon is a lying SOB."


More secret information, huh. Well why don't you use it to get the charges
dropped.


MYopinion

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Aug 14, 2004, 10:45:36 PM8/14/04
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Erick,

You haters always have to try and justify why Michael is strong and
fighting this case. Of course, the support of his family is important.
It would be for ANY person, even for a hater such as yourself. The FACT
that his family is showing such support, just as they did in 1993, is a
testament to their solidarity.

You people are so dumb and stupid. Are you wondering why Scott
Peterson's family is standing behind him- an accused murderer? Are you
wondering why Mark Haskell's or whatever his name is( a confessed
murderer) family is standing behind him? You morons only bitch about
Michael and his family. What a fucking hypocrite you are.

pk

2nz

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>Subject: Re: Jackson may have personal reason to be in court Monday: Sneddon
>From: Pame...@webtv.net (MYopinion)
>Date: 8/14/04 8:21 PM Mountain Daylight Time
>Message-id: <21399-411...@storefull-3151.bay.webtv.net>

>
>Tattoo,
>
>Sneakdon SHOULD be afraid of being exposed for the corrupt DA that he
>is.
>
And remember...only YOU can prevent forest fires.

2nz

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Aug 14, 2004, 10:57:43 PM8/14/04
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>Subject: Re: Jackson may have personal reason to be in court Monday: Sneddon
>From: Pame...@webtv.net (MYopinion)

>SNAKEdon made much MORE than professional mistakes. That's like saying


>this rabid dog dropped his bone. He has made CORRUPT "mistakes."

<snip>
Nope....WAY too easy.

Roofshadow "Morphine Drip" Jackson

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explorer wrote:

And his pupils will either look like pinpoints or dinner plates.

Roofshadow "Morphine Drip" Jackson

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MYopinion wrote:

Been listening to those broadcasts on your fillings again huh?

Roofshadow "Morphine Drip" Jackson

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Aug 14, 2004, 11:10:32 PM8/14/04
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caryrjr wrote:

LOL!

She'll never answer!

2nz

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>Subject: Re: Jackson may have personal reason to be in court Monday: Sneddon
>From: "Roofshadow \"Morphine Drip\" Jackson"
>Roofsha...@removespamtrap.yahoo.com
>Date: 8/14/04 9:10 PM Mountain Daylight Time
>Message-id: <KIqdneHwx4u...@comcast.com>
SHE doesn't have to. EVERYBODY knows the TRUTH.
Michael IS such A macho man THAT he doesn't want any help IN proving he is
1000% innocent. THEY could throw beehives AT him and he'd simply put ON his
beekeeper OUTFIT and charge on through. He's ONE tough cupcake. He's willing TO
crawl through Hell in THE name of Shamon.

John Lucas

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Aug 14, 2004, 11:56:18 PM8/14/04
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And it will be that very thing that will be his downfall.

Vendettas are bad karma in action.
That shit tends to bite you in the arsenal.

John Lucas

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John Lucas

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Aug 14, 2004, 11:57:24 PM8/14/04
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There's that word again "gullible"

Remember that post I made a while back Pam?

I think the word "silly" was included in that title as well.

John Lucas

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John Lucas

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Aug 14, 2004, 11:53:58 PM8/14/04
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Yeah speaking of running I wonder if that mutt Volfie & these others still
believe in that line.

Fuckin' Fools.

I'm gonna LOOOOOOOOVE the 16th of August.

This is tape worthy stuff.

John Lucas

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Tattoo Vampire

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Aug 15, 2004, 12:51:29 AM8/15/04
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MYopinion wrote:

> From the day of his arrest, Michael
> has shown that he is ready to kick some Mad Dog ass.

From the day of his arrest, he and his spokespeople have lied time and time
again about what happened while he was in custody.

Tattoo Vampire

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MYopinion wrote:

> If you knew what I know about these
> tapes, then you would say>"Snakedon is a lying SOB."

It's utterly amazing how the hardcore fans all have access to the Sooper
Sekrit Vault of Information.

MYopinion

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Aug 15, 2004, 1:32:49 AM8/15/04
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John,

I remember your "gullible" titled post very well. As usual, you were
right on point. I AM looking forward to Monday, very much. The
anticipation is almost overwhelming. The ironic thing is that the haters
are anticipating seeing MJ even more than the fans are. Now you know
that is some sick bullshit. THEY are going
to be in 7th heaven on Monday.

pam

Tattoo Vampire

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Aug 15, 2004, 1:51:01 AM8/15/04
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MYopinion wrote:

> Sneakdon SHOULD be afraid of being exposed for the corrupt DA that he
> is.

So how is Michael's sitting there going to expose Sneddon as a corrupt DA?
Are we going to have a "Perry Mason" moment on the stand where Sneddon
breaks down and confesses to everything?

2nz

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>Subject: Re: Jackson may have personal reason to be in court Monday: Sneddon
>From: Tattoo Vampire sit...@this.machine
>Date: 8/14/04 11:51 PM Mountain Daylight Time
>Message-id: <1r2jqeet...@ziggy1.local>

>
>MYopinion wrote:
>
>> Sneakdon SHOULD be afraid of being exposed for the corrupt DA that he
>> is.
>
>So how is Michael's sitting there going to expose Sneddon as a corrupt DA?
>Are we going to have a "Perry Mason" moment on the stand where Sneddon
>breaks down and confesses to everything?
>--

Wacko's gonna give him the dreaded devil-eye. He stopped a knife fight in one
of his videos by prancing around like a poncy hairdresser, didn't he?

MYopinion

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Aug 15, 2004, 1:58:44 AM8/15/04
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Tattoo,

There is nothing SUPER SEKRIT about my knowledge of this scam. It only
takes a LOT of common sense and knowledge of the "evidence" on both
sides. A 5th grader could probably figure out that Snakedon is full of
shit with this shakedown.

pam

2nz

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Aug 15, 2004, 2:16:10 AM8/15/04
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>Subject: Re: Jackson may have personal reason to be in court Monday: Sneddon
>From: Pame...@webtv.net (MYopinion)

>There is nothing SUPER SEKRIT about my knowledge of this scam. It only
>takes a LOT of common sense and knowledge of the "evidence" on both
>sides.

A LOT of common sense, huh?
Pambo has proven time after time that common sense is an attribute that sorely
lacks:

From: MYopinion (Pame...@webtv.net)
Subject: Re: Take THAT Deggie!
Newsgroups: alt.music.michael-jackson
Date: 2004-06-13 20:55:02 PST

>There are several teachers at my school with a rolls royce. I have friends who
teach >at other schools who own the same type of car. Thereare several who
drive other >luxury cars.What you don't understand is that ANYONE, including a
teacher, can >buy one of the aforementioned cars if they WANT to. Of course, a
person would >not want to buy one of those luxury cars if he/she could
notafford it.pk

Shadow

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"BBoop" <BettyBoop*begone*to...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> 2nz <tun...@aol.compost> wrote:
>
> > Take him on, how? With a super duper glare that will have Sneddon
quaking
> > in his boots (hee hee)? Nope.......Wacko's gonna check it out to see if
He
> > thinks He can handle what is yet to come. Will it be palatable to
him..or
> > will it be yucky, scary and too unpleasant? I think he's gonna be there
> > for the photo op and to decide whether or not he's gonna be a
chickenshit
> > and run. He ain't no Rambo, ya know.
>
> His lawyer has him jacked up. He told MJ that he's going to rake
> Sneddon over the coals and MJ is convinced he's going to be entertained.
>
> It would be so great to have a camera in the courtroom, not so much on
> Sneddon, but on MJ to see if he makes faces.

With what? That death mask warmed over?


Jack


Shadow

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> Erick,
>
> You haters always have to try and justify why Michael is strong and
> fighting this case.

Pam, he doesn't have a choice in the matter. He ~HAS~ to fight the case.

>Of course, the support of his family is important.
> It would be for ANY person, even for a hater such as yourself. The FACT
> that his family is showing such support, just as they did in 1993, is a
> testament to their solidarity.

Or ingorance/willful stupidity.

> You people are so dumb and stupid. Are you wondering why Scott
> Peterson's family is standing behind him- an accused murderer? Are you
> wondering why Mark Haskell's or whatever his name is( a confessed
> murderer) family is standing behind him? You morons only bitch about
> Michael and his family. What a fucking hypocrite you are.

Let me see if I have this straight. You say that we should be worried about
Peterson's family - or other peoples families standing behind their
respective accused. Ok.

THEN you have the audacity to announce (in no uncertain terms, mind you)

"You morons only bitch about Michael and his family. What a fucking

hypocrite you are.", in the froup alt.music.michael-jackson.

Now, tell me once more, please - ~who's~ the moron?

> pk
>


Jack (I can't believe the stupidity)


Shadow

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"MYopinion" <Pame...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Natboo00,
>
> I don't believe that Michael

<rant, blather,sniffle,groan, sycopantic droolings snipped>

Why don't you leave and come back when you have something more
intelligible/intelligent to say, rather than the same tired old crap?

It truly would be a breath of fresh air, Pam.

> pk
>


Jack


Shadow

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"Tattoo Vampire" <sit...@this.machine> wrote in message
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> MYopinion wrote:
>
> > If you knew what I know about these
> > tapes, then you would say>"Snakedon is a lying SOB."
>
> It's utterly amazing how the hardcore fans all have access to the Sooper
> Sekrit Vault of Information.

Yet they don't seem to use it to help the accused to help him get of trouble
immediately.

Funny thing, that.

>
> --
> [tv]
>
> Double agenf of ammj and Controller of John Lucas the fucktard


Jack


Tourniquet

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Pame...@webtv.net (MYopinion) wrote:

Thanks for finally admitting that you have the intelligence of a 5th
grader. I regret having to inform you that you're still giving yourself
far too much credit.

HTH

--


There are several teachers at my school with a rolls royce.

- Pame...@webtv.net (MYopinion) Pamela Russell -

Tourniquet

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"Shadow" <shadowmb...@marian.cox.net> wrote:

>"MYopinion" <Pame...@webtv.net> wrote in message
>news:21398-411...@storefull-3151.bay.webtv.net...
>> Erick,
>>
>> You haters always have to try and justify why Michael is strong and
>> fighting this case.
>
>Pam, he doesn't have a choice in the matter. He ~HAS~ to fight the case.

He could just admit that he did it.

Shadow

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"Tourniquet" <secre...@neverland.ranch> wrote in message
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> "Shadow" <shadowmb...@marian.cox.net> wrote:
>
> >"MYopinion" <Pame...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> >news:21398-411...@storefull-3151.bay.webtv.net...
> >> Erick,
> >>
> >> You haters always have to try and justify why Michael is strong and
> >> fighting this case.
> >
> >Pam, he doesn't have a choice in the matter. He ~HAS~ to fight the case.
>
> He could just admit that he did it.

Not if he wants to keep his sanity, his lifestyle, his freedom and any hope
for a future he can't. Not to mention his dwindling fan base.

No, he doesn't have a choice. He can't buy his way out of this one. :-)

>
> --
> There are several teachers at my school with a rolls royce.
> - Pame...@webtv.net (MYopinion) Pamela Russell -


Jack


CND

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2nz wrote:

> SHE doesn't have to. EVERYBODY knows the TRUTH.
> Michael IS such A macho man THAT he doesn't want any help IN proving he is
> 1000% innocent. THEY could throw beehives AT him and he'd simply put ON his
> beekeeper OUTFIT and charge on through. He's ONE tough cupcake. He's willing TO
> crawl through Hell in THE name of Shamon.

Ah, that Michael. What a superhero!

--
CND

EmmaPeachbuns

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>From: Pame...@webtv.net (MYASSHOLE)

> It only
>takes a LOT of common sense and knowledge of the "evidence"
>

Ok...that leaves you out.

Jilly

Volfie

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"MYopinion" <Pame...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Pamef'loon, sOOper Jenius.

Giselle (Wylie and the f'loon: Jenius Tag Teem)


Volfie

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"MYopinion" <Pame...@webtv.net> trilled between belches:

> That's like saying
> this rabid dog dropped his bone.

You say that a lot, do you?

Giselle (and it means......... ????)


mr...@wi.rr.com

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LOL

Sorry for not keeping up with the posts and defending my position, not that
it needs a defense.

No reply even required here now other than I do not hate, I am just opposed
to pedophiles and those that defend them.

Erick

explorer

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"MYopinion" <Pame...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Yet we can not get you top post links to any of this supposed evidence
despite asking hundreds of times....


Hell Toupee

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Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>
> MYopinion wrote:
>
> > If you knew what I know about these
> > tapes, then you would say>"Snakedon is a lying SOB."

Pam, you and alan and John and the other Wacks here are so
completely out of touch with reality, you probably also _know_ the
sky is actually colored chartreuse, but the CONSPIRACY makes it look
blue.

>
> It's utterly amazing how the hardcore fans all have access to the Sooper
> Sekrit Vault of Information.

I think that came with the Fisher-Price Kiddy Kourtroom box set
they're all playing with.

Hell "Isn't is funny how Mesereau has complained about his lack of
access to this evidence, but the Wacks have had no trouble seeing
it?" Toupee

caryrjr

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"Hell Toupee" <my...@notmine.com> wrote

> Hell "Isn't is funny how Mesereau has complained about his lack of
> access to this evidence, but the Wacks have had no trouble seeing
> it?" Toupee

What's even funnier is how they don't produce that evidence to exonerate the
idol.


Hell Toupee

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By jove, you've just come up with a skit for next weekend's SNL.

HellT

andy

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"caryrjr" <car...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Well doesnt that make them the biggest wacko haters?

>
>


Podkayne Fries

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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 06:52:52 -0500, BettyBoop*begone*to...@hotmail.com
(BBoop) wrote:

>
>Michael Jackson will listen to Tom Sneddon testify on Monday.
>
If he can contain the sideshow antics and dress like a normal person,
this could help his image. Showing up to court and acting the fool,
dancing on SUVs and asking to be taken to the potty every few minutes
will piss of the judge. Hopefully, Messereau will keep Wacko on a
short leash.

--
Regards, Podkayne Fries

"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but cement pays
homage to tradition." - Sophia Petrillo

Hell Toupee

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MYopinion wrote:
>
> BettyBOOBOOO,
>
> As usual, you know jackshit.

Pam, would lurkers on this newsgroup be polled, it's a lead pipe
cinch they'd overwhelmingly find BBoop far, far more credible on any
issue than you. You're infamous.

> Michael's lawyer doesn't need to tell
> Michael what to do.

He does if he wants to win, and MJ has to listen if he wants to have
a prayer of beating the rap.

> Michael decides what he wants to do and that's the
> bottomline.

We're hoping he sticks to that suicidal position and does exactly as
he pleases. He'll so thoroughly discredit himself and it'll be SO
fun to watch.

> I think that he is going just to show that crook Snakedon that he has no
> intention of running from this case. From the day of his arrest, Michael


> has shown that he is ready to kick some Mad Dog ass.

Oh, puh-lease. If he had another $25 million to spare, he'd have
tried to hush this case up, too. He hadn't, so he couldn't, so
instead he tried the get-the-family-out-of-the-country trick which
he'd successfully used with at least one prior accuser.

Now he's trapped. The best he can hope for is to have Mesereau
succeed in getting the evidence found in Miller's office thrown out.
In other words, to use a legal technicality to save his ass.

HellT

Roofshadow "Courthouse Bozopalooza" Jackson

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Aug 15, 2004, 11:19:44 PM8/15/04
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2nz wrote:

>>Subject: Re: Jackson may have personal reason to be in court Monday: Sneddon

>>From: "Roofshadow \"Morphine Drip\" Jackson"
>>Roofsha...@removespamtrap.yahoo.com
>>Date: 8/14/04 9:10 PM Mountain Daylight Time
>>Message-id: <KIqdneHwx4u...@comcast.com>
>>
>>caryrjr wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"MYopinion" <Pame...@webtv.net> wrote


>>>If you knew what I know about these
>>>
>>>
>>>>tapes, then you would say>"Snakedon is a lying SOB."
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>>More secret information, huh. Well why don't you use it to get the charges
>>>dropped.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>LOL!
>>
>>She'll never answer!


>>
>
> SHE doesn't have to. EVERYBODY knows the TRUTH.
> Michael IS such A macho man THAT he doesn't want any help IN proving he is
> 1000% innocent. THEY could throw beehives AT him and he'd simply put ON his
> beekeeper OUTFIT and charge on through. He's ONE tough cupcake. He's willing TO
> crawl through Hell in THE name of Shamon.

Thank YOU for posting this "positivity" - I know MICHAEL appresheiates
"everything" we do FOR him!

KEEP "kicking" ass!

Roofshadow "Courthouse Bozopalooza" Jackson

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Shadow wrote:

> "MYopinion" <Pame...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:21398-411...@storefull-3151.bay.webtv.net...
>
>>Natboo00,
>>
>>I don't believe that Michael
>
>
> <rant, blather,sniffle,groan, sycopantic droolings snipped>
>
> Why don't you leave and come back when you have something more
> intelligible/intelligent to say, rather than the same tired old crap?

So you want her to leave for good huh?

Roofshadow "Courthouse Bozopalooza" Jackson

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Shadow wrote:

> "Tattoo Vampire" <sit...@this.machine> wrote in message
> news:c0hs1bdpwhyo$.dlg@ziggy1.local...
>
>>MYopinion wrote:
>>
>>
>>>If you knew what I know about these
>>>tapes, then you would say>"Snakedon is a lying SOB."
>>
>>It's utterly amazing how the hardcore fans all have access to the Sooper
>>Sekrit Vault of Information.
>
>
> Yet they don't seem to use it to help the accused to help him get of trouble
> immediately.
>
> Funny thing, that.

I still don't understand it and none of the Wackaloons have stepped
forward to explain it to me even though I've asked a few times.

Oh well.


>

Roofshadow "Courthouse Bozopalooza" Jackson

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Volfie wrote:

Oh come on - Wylie is a LOT smarter than Pam!

Roofshadow "Courthouse Bozopalooza" Jackson

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Podkayne Fries wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 06:52:52 -0500, BettyBoop*begone*to...@hotmail.com
> (BBoop) wrote:
>
>
>>Michael Jackson will listen to Tom Sneddon testify on Monday.
>>
>
> If he can contain the sideshow antics and dress like a normal person,
> this could help his image. Showing up to court and acting the fool,
> dancing on SUVs and asking to be taken to the potty every few minutes
> will piss of the judge. Hopefully, Messereau will keep Wacko on a
> short leash.
>

He'll probably make sure Wacko is doped to the gills - that'll keep him
quiet!

2nz

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>Subject: Re: Jackson may have personal reason to be in court Monday: Sneddon
>From: "Roofshadow \"Courthouse Bozopalooza\" Jackson"
>Roofsha...@removespamtrap.yahoo.com
>Date: 8/15/04 9:19 PM Mountain Daylight Time
>Message-id: <F-OdnY0DP59...@comcast.com>
No, no, no ....Thank YOU.
Now, watch me kick some MORE ass:
"THUMP" "POW" "THWACK"
I sure showed THEM, didn't I?

Shadow

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"Roofshadow "Courthouse Bozopalooza" Jackson"
<Roofsha...@removespamtrap.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Sigh... Sometimes I truly think it would be better for Jackson's fans.
Having a raving lunatic go on and on and on can't be helping matters any.


Jack


Roofshadow "Courthouse Bozopalooza" Jackson

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2nz wrote:

YOU sure "did"!

Roofshadow "Courthouse Bozopalooza" Jackson

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Shadow wrote:

No but it sure is entertaining for us!

Shadow

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"Roofshadow "Courthouse Bozopalooza" Jackson"
<Roofsha...@removespamtrap.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Heh...

Jack


John Lucas

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Foolish. Truly foolish.

What debt does pride create for sense?

John Lucas

<mr...@wi.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Agree, it's MJ's attempt to save face (no pun) and stand up to Sneddon by
> appearing. He would not have the balls, I think, to appear at this point
> without the support of his family's presence.
>
> Too bad for MJ tho' that the evidence is too strong to make any
difference.
>
> I am guessing he will showboat in some way (before or after) to keep up
the
> image his fans have swallowed (no pun also).
>
> Erick


John Lucas

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Unity threatens ANY opposing collection or force.

Unity frightens the sensibilities of the players of the Nintendo classic
Divide And Conquer.

Unity collapses the hopes of manipulators who find themselves at a loss when
their powers seem neutralized.

Unity is power. Unity is strength. Unity is endurance.

Those who discover the traits of this force will achieve great things.

Unity. Remember it.

John Lucas

"MYopinion" <Pame...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Erick,
>
> You haters always have to try and justify why Michael is strong and

> fighting this case. Of course, the support of his family is important.
> It would be for ANY person, even for a hater such as yourself. The FACT
> that his family is showing such support, just as they did in 1993, is a
> testament to their solidarity.
>
> You people are so dumb and stupid. Are you wondering why Scott
> Peterson's family is standing behind him- an accused murderer? Are you
> wondering why Mark Haskell's or whatever his name is( a confessed
> murderer) family is standing behind him? You morons only bitch about
> Michael and his family. What a fucking hypocrite you are.
>
> pk
>


Osama Bin Bush

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In article <ceednYbEbZm...@comcast.com>,
"Roofshadow \"Courthouse Bozopalooza\" Jackson"
<Roofsha...@removespamtrap.yahoo.com> wrote:

> > Sigh... Sometimes I truly think it would be better for Jackson's fans.
> > Having a raving lunatic go on and on and on can't be helping matters any.
>
> No but it sure is entertaining for us!

So you get joy from the mentally ill? Werent you the one that said not
to poke the loons

--
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never
stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and
neither do we,"
George W bush, IQ in the 2 digits.

Osama Bin Bush

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In article <411FB38E...@notmine.com>,
Hell Toupee <my...@notmine.com> wrote:

> Pam, you and alan and John and the other Wacks here are so
> completely out of touch with reality, you probably also _know_ the
> sky is actually colored chartreuse, but the CONSPIRACY makes it look
> blue

The sky really isnt blue.... It only looks blue because of all the
water on planet earth

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