MJ drops Co$
Podkayne Fries
--You can thank this column for the following news. Michael Jackson
has dropped Scientology as a beneficiary of his charity fundraising.
At least publicly. I told you exclusively that Jackson had included
HELP, a Scientology literacy group, as one of the organizations which
would get "some" of the proceeds from the $2 download of "What More
Can I Give?" Yesterday all reference to HELP was dropped from the
download website, www.musicforgiving.com. Of course, this doesn't mean
that Jackson himself won't be donating funds to Scientology. But
that's his business. Still, though, there remains no accounting for
recent Jackson charity efforts. That should make anyone wary
about 'buying' "What More Can I Give?" over the internet. My advice:
if you want to, send a charitable donation directly to International
Child Art Foundation or Mr. Holland's Opus Foundation. They're each
worthwhile, and you don't need a middle man to help you support them.
--
Regards, Podkayne Fries
There's nothing that can go wrong in a day that a pound of explosives can't fix.
caryrjr
> if you want to, send a charitable donation directly to International
> Child Art Foundation or Mr. Holland's Opus Foundation. They're each
> worthwhile, and you don't need a middle man to help you support them.
You can download the song for free using Kazaalite.
"Podkayne Fries" <fr...@fairfieldi.com> wrote in message
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alan jones
with the rich, i know of a few celebrity associations to the 'sect', and also
that it is popular to deride this organization philosophy (whatever it be)
as just another sect, but what exactly do they stand for? Why would this
group attract so many intelligent people (assuming rich equates to
intelligence;0)
One mention of Scientology seems enough to illicit derision, why? The
reason aren't clear. Is it just a learnt response, a response which says
they (the group) doesn't carry favour with the powers that be? I ask
because there are more contentious groups which seem to get a easier
ride. For example there is greater tolerance of the Mormons.... So
what gives? I sense a raw deal without knowing for sure?
"Podkayne Fries" <fr...@fairfieldi.com> wrote in message news:3fa1a6c2...@news.cis.dfn.de...
MJInsider
<< Can anyone in the group explain Scientology to me. >>
Take it to the Scientology news group, and while you are there lay some of your
MJ conspiracy theories on them. They will just love that. >:-)
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alan jones
which change and demand we change with it. You may mock, its after all the
way you are required to respond. Pushing that button looking for the predictable
responce.
Ha the many faces of duty.... I continue with this individual duty to reason.
"MJInsider" <mjins...@aol.com> wrote in message news:20031031000849...@mb-m01.aol.com...
MJInsider
<< "alan jones" o...@freeukFromSPAM.com wrote:>>
<<
Words and meaning, words have meaning, meaning we agree upon, meaning
which change and demand we change with it. You may mock, its after all the
way you are required to respond. Pushing that button looking for the
predictable
responce.
Ha the many faces of duty.... I continue with this individual duty to reason.
>>
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Ben!
charaties. Downloading through Kazaa will not benefit anyone.
Ben!
"caryrjr" <car...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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BBoop
> Can anyone in the group explain Scientology to me. I know its associated
> with the rich,
It's not for just the rich. They'll take anybody. Read some of L. Ron
Hubbard's books.
caryrjr
> charaties. Downloading through Kazaa will not benefit anyone.
You missed the point- read it below.......
alan jones
"BBoop" <noMJbu...@rationalfans.org> wrote in message news:1g3ol4w.14vbzsk2honqkN%noMJbu...@rationalfans.org...
Can you summurise your understanding. Is it any worst than the Mormons,
which seems better recieved in the States?
BBoop
> Can you summurise your understanding. Is it any worst than the Mormons,
> which seems better recieved in the States?
I don't know enough about it to summarize it. It's really different
than the Mormon church. I don't know what you mean by worse. Here is a
page that gives a decent summary of their doctrine, etc.:
http://www.lifeway.com/lwc/article_main_page/0,1703,A%253D153682%2526M%2
53D200167,00.html
Podkayne Fries
>I think you are missing the point. The song will generate income for some
>charaties. Downloading through Kazaa will not benefit anyone.
I'd like to know what percentage of the money generated will actually
go to a charity.
Ben!
happen to agree with what Podkayne Fries is saying, not what YOU are saying.
Ben!
"caryrjr" <car...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Podkayne Fries
<o...@freeukFromSPAM.com> wrote:
>Can anyone in the group explain Scientology to me.
Check out http://www.xenu.net . You can also Google for "Co$",
"Engrams", "Lisa McPherson", and "E-meter", for starters. It's a
scary cult that's not allied with any religion.
When MJ married Lisa Marie, it was rumored that she and Priscilla were
actively trying to get him to join. The Co$, under the guise of
"counseling" its members, subjects them to "audits" in which the
subject is coerced into revelaing his innermost secrets. it's said
that these audits are recorded and transcribed and used to control the
subject. The Co$ also requires its members to pay for all these
audits, which become progressively more expensive as the subject
strives towards enlightenement.
Several years ago, before most news servers started refusing cancel
messages, member of the Co$ would routinely grep newsspools for any
mention of their cult and issue cancels for other people's Usenet
posts.
As for the Mormons, they're nominally Christian.
MYopinion
money generated will actually go to charity."
Do you obsess, analyze and wonder that same thing about ALL charities,
or do you only do that because MJ is involved and generating money for
these charities?
pdI
Bill
I think anyone who gives to a charity should research just how much
money goes to the people it should. This is especially true when I
heard that he was taking $4000 out of every $5000 ticket for "expenses"
for that Neverland bash a couple of weeks ago.
Bill
Podkayne Fries
All of them. I've already mentioned that I refuse to give to United
Way, which is one of the biggest charities in this country. I'm not
going to part with my money unless I know where it's going.
I often purchase items and donate them, rather than pass on cash. One
of my favorite charities is Toys For Tots. The local one is run by
the city firefighters, and I know for a fact that they use 100% of the
money for kids. My family and I watch sales all year round and buy
toys and clothes for kids.
I also support the local small Lutheran homeless shelter, rather than
the larger one because I don't approve of the man who runs the large
shelter. A group my daughter was in toured the shelter he runs, and
he told the children that his clients were mostly worthless people who
were not deserving of anyone's pity or sympathy. He said, in so many
words, that they'd made their beds and deserved to lie in them.
Christmas will be here before you know it, and here's an idea for you
all. See if any of the stores in your area double coupons *and*
price-match other store's sales. Our local Meijer's does this, and
I've saved a bundle and gotten a lot of things to donate. On a recent
trip, I got around $100 worth of stuff and paid only the sales tax,
for a total cost of about $5.00. This isn't hard to do if you save
coupons and check ads carefully before you shop.
Does that answer your question?
Podkayne Fries
wrote:
>
>I think anyone who gives to a charity should research just how much
>money goes to the people it should. This is especially true when I
>heard that he was taking $4000 out of every $5000 ticket for "expenses"
>for that Neverland bash a couple of weeks ago.
>
I have no problem with MJ deducting all or part of his expenses.
After all, it costs a lot to hold an event like this. OTOH, a
fundraising event shouldn't be used as an opportunity to line one's
pockets. Keeping 80% of the gate is way out of line.
MYopinion
Yes, part of it. Now, do you question,analyze, obsess when Bruce, Sting,
Janet, Madonna,et. al, give a "portion" their earnings to charities?
pki
Bill
If the above took $4000 out of every $5000 ticket for "expenses" then
yes, I'd question it. Now, do you question why MJ did that?
Bill
MJInsider
Bill
>>
::Loon Silence::
Makes note to add this to Pam's record of questions she ducks.
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MJInsider
<< I often purchase items and donate them, rather than pass on cash. One
of my favorite charities is Toys For Tots. The local one is run by
the city firefighters, and I know for a fact that they use 100% of the
money for kids. My family and I watch sales all year round and buy
toys and clothes for kids. >>
Wonderful! :)
<< Christmas will be here before you know it, and here's an idea for you
all. See if any of the stores in your area double coupons *and*
price-match other store's sales. Our local Meijer's does this, and
I've saved a bundle and gotten a lot of things to donate. On a recent
trip, I got around $100 worth of stuff and paid only the sales tax,
for a total cost of about $5.00. This isn't hard to do if you save
coupons and check ads carefully before you shop. >>
These are great ideas. Thanks Podkane.
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BBoop
> If the above took $4000 out of every $5000 ticket for "expenses" then
> yes, I'd question it. Now, do you question why MJ did that?
>
> Bill
>
> >>
>
> ::Loon Silence::
>
> Makes note to add this to Pam's record of questions she ducks.
Well, maybe she'll answer and it will also answer the other question,
does she believe everything MJ says.
Podkayne Fries
Based on the news reports that I've read over in the gossip groups,
Bruce, Sting and Madonna have made cash donations to many charities.
I can't recall reading anything about Janet Jackson's charitable
works. I have no recollection of any of the people you've named going
to birthday parties their fans clubs have thrown for them and keeping
80% of the money generated by ticket sales. Feel free to post URLs to
show that any other famous people have done something like that.
Angelina Jolie has been quoted as saying that she now has more money
than she can ever possible spend, and she plans to give one-third of
her future earnings to children's charities. IMO, she's as nutty as a
fruitcake, but she's concerned with the plight of children and is
actually doing something rather than playing silly games.
Tom Cruise is currently being lambasted in the press for using the
annual NYC Bash for New York's Bravest to promote Co$. Some snippets
from this article - go read the entire thing yourself:
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From: li...@aol.com (Lili2)
Newsgroups: alt.showbiz.gossip
Date: 02 Nov 2003 09:29:19 GMT
Subject: Leary denies that Cruise is using him to spread Scientology
Message-ID: <20031102042919...@mb-m13.aol.com>
Leary said recently that Cruise wants to build the smoke-eaters "a
steam and sauna place on Long Island ... [to help] their condition" -
which, he said, Cruise is funding privately.
"I think Denis Leary is well-meaning," says Rick Ross, executive
director of the New Jersey-based Ross Institute, which monitors what
it sees as cults. "But he's savvy enough about the Hollywood scene to
know that if Tom Cruise does charity work, it's almost always related
to Scientology."
Ross suspects that Cruise's "steam and sauna place" is based upon what
Scientologists call the "purification rundown," a ritual based on the
teachings of science-fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard.
Ross says the same rundown is touted by Downtown Medical, a
controversial Manhattan clinic whose staff includes some
Scientologists. The clinic has offered more than 140 New York
firefighters a detoxification program consisting of exercise, saunas
and vitamin therapy.
FDNY officials are worried by the clinic's requirement that
firefighters abandon their inhalers and medication. FDNY Deputy
Commissioner Francis X. Gribbon told us that Downtown Medical "is not
a bona-fide detox program. It should not be a substitute for the
medical treatment that our doctors have advised. We don't endorse it."
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As hard as it might be for the loons to imagine, people *do* speak up
about the stars' questionable charities. Cruise should be ashamed.
Here's a question for you, Pam - do you think it's acceptable for any
person or group to run a charitable event and keep 80% of the money
for expenses?
Podkayne Fries
><< fr...@fairfieldi.com (Podkayne Fries) wrote: >>
>
><< I often purchase items and donate them, rather than pass on cash. One
>of my favorite charities is Toys For Tots. The local one is run by
>the city firefighters, and I know for a fact that they use 100% of the
>money for kids. My family and I watch sales all year round and buy
>toys and clothes for kids. >>
>
>Wonderful! :)
This is a lot of fun. We have sort of a 'contest' in the family to
see who can get the most stuff for the least amount of money. The
easiest and most cost-effective way to do this is to choose a gender
and age and shop accordingly - for example, you might decided to buy
for a girl who wears size 5 and a boy who wears size 7, which would
make the kids around 5 and 6. If you shop the end-of-season sales,
you can get *fabulous* bargains - I just bought a bunch of nice kids'
T-shirts in JC Penney's for 77 cents each!
alan jones
"BBoop" <noMJbu...@rationalfans.org> wrote in message news:1g3p9an.hq0vo6dvb3e3N%noMJbu...@rationalfans.org...
Thanks for the link. Reading between the lines it seems Scientology has much to
do with the science of psychological cohersion. The date of its foundation is
revealing, early 50's. Maybe it started as a means to see the truth which might
otherwise be clouded by the practice of that science. A way to be less affected.
Maybe this 'religion' and the advantageous knowledge it tries to hold with its
invented jargon, has become rolled into one. Exploiting the Science, instead of
being less exploited by it.
In spite of the mumbo jumbo, in spite of the invented mysticism there seems to be
something at its core. Call it an advantage to those in the know. A religion based
upon this modern understanding of cohersion, perhaps even knowledge our betters
might prefer we were blind to. I am still no wiser on what Scientology now is. It
might be as we are told, a cult corrupted by power and money. On the other hand
this might just be the impression the great majority are suppose to have of this is
'challenging' idea. If one knows of a thing does it make one less affected? If
enough people knew of this thing would they still have an advantage? Reminds
me of.....
Truth in this area seems illusive, belonging to those with the loudest voices.
MYopinion
Has it ever been published in the media how much or what portion of
money raised goes to charity and what goes to expenses? You say you
would question it, but it has never been speculated of anyone else to
even question it.
I never believed that $4,000 was used for expenses. Was that a
confirmation from an MJ spokesperson, or a rumor from the gossip mill?
Btw, I didn't question MJ and I have never questioned Bruce, Janet,
Paul, Elton or any of the others when they gave money to charities. I
never questioned, worried, or analyzed it. It was never in my interest
to analyze how much these people gave, or how much they used for
expenses.
I always think that it is commendable when anyone gives to charities.
Of course, we know that the rules are different ONLY for MJ.
pk
FreeThinker
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Alan, please adjust you computer's time zone.
FreeThinker
>I never believed that $4,000 was used for expenses.
Wow. We're in agreement. So where did the money go?
>Btw, I didn't question MJ
That's a shocker. When have you ever had the presence of mind to
question him?
FreeThinker
Pam, if you've never thought about where the money goes when a charity
gets hold of it, you're either stupid or you've never donated. Which is
it?
Where did the $4,000 go for each Neverland ticket go, finger sandwiches,
stuffed animals and a T-shit?
Bill
MYopinion wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> Has it ever been published in the media how much or what portion of
> money raised goes to charity and what goes to expenses? You say you
> would question it, but it has never been speculated of anyone else to
> even question it.
Yes, it was published in the media and spoken of in this group. Out of
a $5000 ticket, $1000 would be split between three charities and the
rest went for "expenses".
>
> I never believed that $4,000 was used for expenses. Was that a
> confirmation from an MJ spokesperson, or a rumor from the gossip mill?
It was on the invite and also was part of the press release given out by
MJ's spokesman.
>
> Btw, I didn't question MJ and I have never questioned Bruce, Janet,
> Paul, Elton or any of the others when they gave money to charities. I
> never questioned, worried, or analyzed it. It was never in my interest
> to analyze how much these people gave, or how much they used for
> expenses.
> I always think that it is commendable when anyone gives to charities.
>
> Of course, we know that the rules are different ONLY for MJ.
>
> pk
Not, the rules aren't different. If say, Springsteen gave a concert and
took $4000 out of every $5000 for "expenses", that should be questioned
as well. Sure, it's commendable to give to charity, but don't you think
that ALL the money should have gone to the charities. I mean, if MJ is
this mega-millionaire that you believe he is, he could cover the
"expenses" without blinking an eye.
Bill
Podkayne Fries
<o...@freeukFromSpam.com> wrote:
>
>Thanks for the link. Reading between the lines it seems Scientology has
>much to do with the science of psychological cohersion.
You need to read some more. Co$ has nothing to do with science. It
was started because L. Ron Hubbard wanted to part fools from their
money and knew that religion was an easy way to do it.
Alan, you would be welcomed into the bosom of Scientology. You're
exactly the kind of parishioner^H^H^H^H^Hsucker that they love. the
Co$ will be more than happy to take all your money and let you spend
the rest of your life doing scutwork to advance their cause.