Prince haters...just let it go...

[Sam4174]

i'm not going to sit here and qualify myself in order to give my posting the
prerequisite credibilty it needs here, by saying that i'm a fan of michael
jackson...i'm not...not since 1984. that said, i don't hate the comparison of
MJ and Prince...i don't care. Prince's reputation as probably the greatest
musician of his generation is rock solid. he has admirers from neil young to
clapton to TLC to trent reznor to billy corgan on and on and on...when VH-1
took a poll of musicians (like clapton.sheryl crow. mic jagger), asking who are
the greatest musicians of the century...prince was #17...MJ? # 40 i think, if
not lower...prince was the youngest in the top 20...TOP 20...it always amazes
how people who KNOW music laugh at this comparison, while "fans" really try to
compare them...it's ridiculous. when MJ hangs out and jams with miles davis
(well, he can't now...and probably couldn't if miles was alive) or
deangelo...or the stones...you tell me he's a better musician than prince.
other than that...please just stop it. as a real fan of MUSIC, i'm telling you,
it's embarrassing for you to do that...you can't find a flaw in his
musicianship... you'd be contracdicting some of the most respected musicians
EVER...and that's just foolish. yeah yeah yeah...MJ sells more records...yeah,
and so does hanson and the spice girls...and MJ sales aren't worth a fart
either...blood on the dance floor...are you serious? that was salmmed by
critics...emancipation wasn't...neither was crystal ball...and that's another
thing...critics...who would they say is that better...i bet you wouldn't dare
ask for fear of being laughed at for being the naive music listener you are.

[Mishra444]

Why don't you let it go!? Your post was twice as long as all of ours. What
started this was the Prince fans who came in here telling us how Prince had
slammed MJ at a concert. Like we care?? But we defended MJ (no suprise
there)... you got a problem with that? Personally, I never said MJ was a better
musician... when it comes to PLAYING ACTUAL INSTRUMENTSs, yes, Prince is
better. We never compared that. That's Prince's specialty. MJ doesn't bother
with that, he makes music differently. Prince is better at some things and
Michael is better at other things.

As for the critics... what they say is crap. They are so biased (Duh)!! Who are
they to judge peoples' art? Blood On The Dance Floor was created to promote
MJ's short film, Ghosts, which was only released overseas. It was only meant to
be released over seas, and it was VERY, VERY successfu!! In the US, it was
practiacally released underground, just for the fans. MJ's last "real" album,
HIStory, has sold over 15 million copies.

ETC, ETC...

[KPACOTA]

Die, thread, die...

[rm...@cam.ac.uk]

In article <199805301647...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

sam...@aol.com (Sam4174) wrote:
>
>
> i'm not going to sit here and qualify myself in order to give my posting the
> prerequisite credibilty it needs here, by saying that i'm a fan of michael
> jackson...i'm not...not since 1984. that said, i don't hate the comparison of
> MJ and Prince...i don't care. Prince's reputation as probably the greatest
> musician of his generation is rock solid. he has admirers from neil young to
> clapton to TLC to trent reznor to billy corgan on and on and on...when VH-1
> took a poll of musicians (like clapton.sheryl crow. mic jagger), asking who are
> the greatest musicians of the century...prince was #17...MJ? # 40 i think, if
> not lower...prince was the youngest in the top 20...TOP 20...it always amazes
> how people who KNOW music laugh at this comparison, while "fans" really try to
> compare them...it's ridiculous. when MJ hangs out and jams with miles davis
> (well, he can't now...and probably couldn't if miles was alive) or
> deangelo...or the stones...you tell me he's a better musician than prince.
> other than that...please just stop it. as a real fan of MUSIC, i'm telling you,
> it's embarrassing for you to do that...you can't find a flaw in his
> musicianship... you'd be contracdicting some of the most respected musicians
> EVER...and that's just foolish. yeah yeah yeah...MJ sells more records...yeah,
> and so does hanson and the spice girls...and MJ sales aren't worth a fart
> either...blood on the dance floor...are you serious? that was salmmed by
> critics...emancipation wasn't...neither was crystal ball...and that's another
> thing...critics...who would they say is that better...i bet you wouldn't dare
> ask for fear of being laughed at for being the naive music listener you are.

Prince is a talented musician - a better musician than Michael Jackson I'm
sure. Michael plays, what, 2 instruments? Prince plays thousands (well,
almost!) But Michael Jackson is a PERFORMER, not just that, he is the
consummate showman, the ultimate professional. He smacks of musical eras as
far back as Bing Crosby and Stills and Nash, through to James Brown and
Jackie Willson. His dancing has been commended by Gene Kelly and Fred
Astaire. Sammy Davis Junior said his talent impressed him in a way that
no-one else's could. So don't start naming people like Miles Davis without
getting your facts straight about the luminaries of entertainment that have
supported Jackson. I would not go into a Prince newsgroup and start shouting
off about Prince as I don't know enough about the guy. But I DO know about
Michael Jackson and you do him wrong.

Michael Jackson is commercial, yes. But he is also a great artist, a true
talent. To be able to compose a song that appeals to a cross-section of
humanity from your limousine seat is a gift God gives to very few people.
Usually, by that stage, you have lost it musically. Whatever you say about
Blood On The Dance Floor (which I think was a mistake - releasing a remix
album was not my idea of a good Michael Jackson decision), the new songs on
that album are as special as any Billie Jean or Man In The Mirror. The song
Is It Scary for example - it's awesome how someone can externalise their
feelings in a way Michael Jackson does and receive such little credit for
being a songwriter.

It's like Eric said in a post on this newsgroup. Michael Jackson is not a
name; it's a standard. Prince is a living legend too, but he's not my taste
and I don't know enough about him to post something as arrogant as you posted
about Michael Jackson. But I can see that he's something special. I ask you
in return to stop underplaying the magnificence of Jackson - apart from
anything else, you embarass yourself. In 100 years time, when the tabloids
are buried and forgotten and this man's music lives on in people's music
collections, it's going to be considered one of life's ultimate experiences
to have a relative who has seen that man live.

He is a level; he represents a standard that has never, in his solo career,
faltered. He is the artist without peers. He deserves some respect.

Rob

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[Default]

The ARTIST ASSHOLES are the ones who came here trying to pump their hereo up
, NO ONE HERE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT HIM.... And the reason why no critics or
anyone else slammed Emancipation or CrystalBall...BECAUSE NO ONE BUT FANS
HEARD IT!!! OR EVEN GAVE A DAMN ABOUT IT!! And do you think anyone cares if
WHITE ROCK ARTIST ON VH1 put Prince ahead of Michael..ummmmm that really
doesn't matter..its VH1 for godsakes!!!! How many Black Artist were even in
that SHITTY Poll?? Same Poll that put people like Nirvana ahead of many of
the Motown groups and other great artist...PLEASE. If your faith in The
Artist greatness is based on that shitty poll or any other, I feel sorry for
you. No one here is "Hating Prince" This is Michael Jackson Newsgroup..If we
want to talk about The Artist we will go to his newsgroup..But MJ Fans for
the most part don't even bother going to The Artist message boards..Why
would we..WE ALREADY KNOW WHO THE GREATEST IS..that's why we are here. When
you hear MJ fans talking about " PRINCE" we are talking about the one true
PRINCE..PRINCE MICHAEL..

K-Day

Sam4174 wrote in message
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The Artist should use people to sell his stuff..oh yeah he does.. A
WEBSITE...... LMFAO!!!!
Sam4174 wrote in message
<199805310211...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
..same USING of
>the current hot names in pop culture to sell his stuff....r. kelly? teddy
>riley? van halen? little mccauly?LOL
>

[Eric]

Sam4174 wrote a bunch of nonsense...

And now I say...

Let's see where Prince or anyone near the top of that so-called "list"
would be if they were accused of molesting a child. (That's right,
accused completely baselessly)

Most people are jumping on the popular opinion bandwagon because it's no
longer fashionable to be a Michael Jackson fan. These polls fluctuate.
Who do you think would be on the top of the list if it were taken in
1985? Michael Jackson, that's who! And true legends have only been given
their due credit long after they've left us. In 100-200 years from now,
all of the has-beens will have melted away, and the true greats will
settle to the top.
Michael's face will be embossed on shrines, and his entire life
dissected in Michael Jackson 101 classes... I can almost guarantee it.
Again, it's practically universally recognized that Michael Jackson is
like a sponge of any great talent of the past... his entire life is a
showcase of combining traditional art that has withstood the test of
time with contemporary art that appeals to the new era. That, coupled
with his unfathomed personality and universal association, is the
formula which makes him #1. This doesn't try to downplay the greats whom
he's studied under, but he has taken his place in artistic lineage.
And no matter how hard Prince or anyone else of today tries, they will
still simply be... 'musicians'. This isn't an insult, but there can only
be one Michael Jackson a millenium. That place has already been taken.
Sorry, pal. Get in the back of the line.

Eric

[Pamela Russell]

Thanks K-DAY,
I agree with you. You know it always amazes me how
Prince,Madonna,Janet,etc, fans can come on a MICHAEL newsgroup and bash
Michael. I Love how WE MJ fans NEVER stoop to that IMMATURE, IGNORANT
level of going to other entertainers newsgroups and BASH them for no
obvious reason. We ONLY defend Michael if something is said that we
don't agree with. Is this MAN"S i RESPECT and DIGNITY not a powerful
influence on US.

Sam, mentioned that other musicians have spoken of Prince's greatness.
So have many musicians spoken of Michael's greatness. I can not remember
the exact quote of these musicians , unless I go through a VAST
collection of scrapbooks and clippings and tapes.

Wynton Marsalis was asked about Michael and Prince. He said that he
thought that Prince was the better musician , but Michael was the better
entertainer because of his creative mind.
Leonard Bernstein was asked the same question at the Grammys. He said
that Prince was a great artist, BUT Michael was more talented because of
the things that he could do with just 3 or 4 notes.
George Clinton was discussing Michael and Prince in Rolling Stone and he
said that Michael was a genius.He said other
things that were even nicer, but I can't remember the quote. DAMN, it
seems as if I AM going to have to go through my COLLECTION!!!

Slash called Michael a FUCKING genius.
Teddy Riley called him a genius. Babyface and Stevie Wonder have called
him a genius. BET did a Quincy Jones special and they asked Jones about
EVERY artist that he has worked with.He said great things about each one
them. The interviewer asked about Michael last and Quincy said
'brillant,genius,words can't describe him.The BEST".
Terry Lewis was asked about working with Michael on "Scream" and he
said that hegot goose bumps working with him in the studio. He said that
Michael was amazing and a genius.

So you see Sam, Michael has those musicians that I listed above PLUS
Little Richard, James Brown, mostly ALL of the young and old R&B stars
give Michael his well-deserved PROPS. Prince is NOT the only one who has
the repect of OTHER musicians. By the way, I DON"T consider Smashing
Pumpkins' Billy Corrigan and other ROCK musicians who respect Prnce,
anymore VALID in their belief than I do the R&B and classical and pop
musicians who RESPECT Michael..
The entire VH-1 poll was VERY rock influenced. Frankly, I was surprised
that they included Michael in the HIGH position that he was in-knowing
the BIAS of rock musicians against anyone who doesn't play a guitar.

I used this VH-1 poll with individuals that I work with -55 to be exact_
and asked them to CHOOSE/RATE the musician or group that they would
have in their TOP TEN. Prince was only mentioned in TWO
of the lists and Michael in almost every list. This does NOT include
MIchael and the J5. The J5 was on almost every list, also. A lot of the
individuals said that they
could not understand why Michael was NOT higher on the list. My point
being that a poll means only those individuals'
OPINION. Nothing less, nothing more.

Pam

[Pamela Russell]

I have NEVER heard Miichael say that he doesn't want to be black. He has
always said that he was PROUD to be a black man, FIND me the QUOTE where
he said that he wanted to be WHITE, and Not black.
I sincerely hope that you are not IGNORANT enough to believe that having
the skin whitening disease VITILIGO, is an indication that he wants to
be white,
WHO would want to DELIBERATELY be
THAT white? I think it is a CURSE for a black man to turn white. That's
NOT playing the race card, Mister.

Do you actually think it is to Michael's ADVANTAGE to have vitiligo and
turn WHITE? Some of you in your ingnorance
seem to FORGET that Michael achieved his greatess CROSSOVER (God, how I
hate that word) success when he was DARKER.
It really PISSES me off for you and others to think that Michael wants
to be white, because this will HELP his career. This man has been famous
and successful for almost 30 years. It's STUPID to think that he would
want to be WHITE to achieve MORE success.Get your FACTS straight
BEFORE you make DUMB statements about Michael not wanting to be black..

This is a COP OUT statement and has no validity.

Pam

[Sam4174]

i know about the website...thanx.
industry professionals? who? clapton...wonder...gallagher brothers? who? you
mean execs,,,LOL!!!
why do jackson-backers always mangae to avoid the MUSIC...did i say anything
about mike's personal "stuff" (being polite)?

talk about the music...prince is a musician...on the level of miles and
hendrix...not my words...eric clapton's...mike's an entertainer...period.

>VH1 as a musical authority? Spare me before my heart goes crack! If you
>knew what industry professionals were really saying about the Artist
>Sam4174, you would be surprised. Or would you?
>
>I point everybody to the link below:
>http://www2.bitstream.net/~crucial/index.html
>
>Its a site created by Prince fans for Prince fans. Its called, Prince:
>The Artist Currently Known As An Asshole.
>
>Recently, Prince directed his lawyers to "shut down" web-sites devoted
>to him. Let me use an example, Michael Jackson gives an order to John
>Branca to contact the publishers of HISteria online. Branca does so.
>The publishers of HISteria get a long e-mail letter stating that all
>pictures of Michael Jackson, lyrics, midis, waves, be removed from the
>site or else be sued by Mr. Jackson. Michael didn't do this. He would
>be insane to do so because it would alienate his fan base. The Artist
>no longer cares about his fans its seems. The Crystal Ball fiasco and
>this stunt with his websites leads me to believe that that the Artist
>only cares about the bottom line these days.
>
>Don't come in here slamming Michael Jackson.
>His musical legacy is secured. It is the Artist that is endangering
>Prince's musical legacy by releasing CRAP like his last effort .
>
>BTW, Blood on the Dance Floor was not slammed by the critics.
>

penrose and hawking don't have a damned clue....they should just admit it.

[Sam4174]

yeah he gets some credit...but, he's not even in the top 20 of his
generation...hell, madonna writes a good song here and there...and she has NO
talent...how about writing a whole album...producing...arranging...engineering?
huh? huh? huh?

[Sam4174]

1. hendrix was top 5...stevie was there...james brown....aretha....lots of
black people.
2. ironic that you defend a guy who doesn't want to be black with the RACE
card...very funny indeed...face it, he's just not a great musician....same
uptempo beats...same guitar licks to grab the white listeners...same USING of

the current hot names in pop culture to sell his stuff....r. kelly? teddy
riley? van halen? little mccauly?LOL

>The ARTIST ASSHOLES are the ones who came here trying to pump their hereo up

[Sam4174]

the sad thing is...you really think that was funny...and i'm not even
joking...i mean you really think it's funny...like...damn...really you do. not
funnier than using mccauly culkin...that's for sure

>The Artist should use people to sell his stuff..oh yeah he does.. A
>WEBSITE...... LMFAO!!!!
>Sam4174 wrote in message
><199805310211...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>..same USING of
>>the current hot names in pop culture to sell his stuff....r. kelly? teddy
>>riley? van halen? little mccauly?LOL
>>

[Sam4174]

prince's music is already being dissected in colleges...you're a little late.

as for a 100 years from now...mike will be in the same class as elvis...an
enteratiner...so will madonna...prince will be with miles, hendrix, beatles,
janis...musicians...innovators...that's how they both will be remembered

[Sam4174]

teddy riley? what's he play?
g. clinton? i bet he did say mike was talented...cause he is...what i know he
didn't say was that he is as talented as prince.
bernstein? probably said it in the early eighties at the height of the jackson
hype, before sign o' the times and parade were released
young r&b stars? who? TLC (prince)...maxwell (prince) deangelo (oh
please...he'd laugh about it)...who are you talking about...michelle
ndegeochello (prince)...who? tell me? i need to know? hell, dr. dre? he's even
said prince was the man...RZA of wu-tang...prince...public
enemy...prince...prince has the young rappers on lock down...they know.
babyface? i know who he would say is the better musician...that's for sure.
quincy jones? he doesn't like prince anyway, cause prince wouldn't go along
with that lame publicity stunt we are the world crap, which a decade looks
really dumb.

and

[Sam4174]

whatever..and who said anything about skin...how about bone structure and
lips...lol...too easy

[Chris Schanding]

Yo Sam,

Fuck Off! You know Prince respects MJ, and MJ respects Prince!
So, go fuck right off back to yer Artist NG! If there is one!

Later,
Tre

[Pamela Russell]

sam,
You are in that MAJORITY of ignorant buffons who believe tabloids. What
about his bone structure? Are you saying only white people can have high
cheek bones. His bone structure is the same NOW as the 80's when he was
darker. Your weak,limpid arguments show your immaturity. You are a
TABLOID JUNKIE, You bashers are so pathetic. You have no life, except to
come on an MJ board and TRY to get your obsessive points across. I
cannot imagine even going to a Prince NG and wasting the time to bash
him. Why would I ,if I didn't care about him?

You people are so stupid that you can't even fathom how DUMB you are.
You can't sense how foolish YOU look coming to a board of a person that
you SUPPOSEDLY hate. Look in the mirror and you will see
WEAKNESS, JEALOUSLY, OBSESSIVENESS, and COWARDLY behavior .
I feel extremely sorry for YOU and others like you. It must be
miserable to be obsessed with a person who continues with his life ,
even though the VULTURES and COWARDS (my favorite word) are TRYING to
bring him down.

Your entire thread on whether prince is greater than Michael is mute.
In the final analysis-WHO GIVES A FUCK?

Michael is considered an ENTERTAINER. Prince is considered a MUSICIAN.
That's the way it has always been. Your coming to this board proved
once again, how desperate you all are. You have changed
NOTHING. Your and my opinion remain the SAME.

One of these days you people will realize how SAD you are. Nothing
gained. Nothing lost. Crawl back into your HOLE.

Pam

[rm...@cam.ac.uk]

Sam, how DARE you come into this newsgroup and proudly display your ignorance
in front of people who have bothered to look PAST the tabloids, PAST VH-1,
whatever. If you want me to tell you why Michael Jackson is not ashamed to be
Black, I can do a repost of something I've already written, but I doubt you'd
care. Why don't you just go away back to your Artist newsgroup and come back
when you can structure an argument based around something other than a VH-1
poll and comments about his racial identity based on completely illegitmate
evidence.

If you (or anyone else) wants me to post that thing, let me know.

Rob

"I am a Black American, I am PROUD to be a Black American. I am PROUD of my
race. I am PROUD of how I am. I have a lot of PRIDE and DIGNITY. When people
make up stories that I don't want to be who I am, it hurts me." - Michael
Jackson, Feb 1993.

In article <199805310211...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,

sam...@aol.com (Sam4174) wrote:
>
> 1. hendrix was top 5...stevie was there...james brown....aretha....lots of
> black people.
> 2. ironic that you defend a guy who doesn't want to be black with the RACE
> card...very funny indeed...face it, he's just not a great musician....same

> uptempo beats...same guitar licks to grab the white listeners...same USING of

> the current hot names in pop culture to sell his stuff....r. kelly? teddy
> riley? van halen? little mccauly?LOL
>

> penrose and hawking don't have a damned clue....they should just admit it.
>
>

[rm...@cam.ac.uk]

In article <199805310204...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
sam...@aol.com (Sam4174) wrote:
>

>
> talk about the music...prince is a musician...on the level of miles and
> hendrix...not my words...eric clapton's...mike's an entertainer...period.

Er, isn't that exactly what we have been saying? Now let's have your comments
on Michael as an entertainer. Let's see you accept his brilliance. Read my
previous on Prince and MJ.

Rob

[rm...@cam.ac.uk]

In article <199805310207...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

sam...@aol.com (Sam4174) wrote:
>
> yeah he gets some credit...but, he's not even in the top 20 of his
> generation...hell, madonna writes a good song here and there...and she has NO
> talent...how about writing a whole album...producing...arranging...engineering?
> huh? huh? huh?

Did you actually bother to read what I wrote to you? My entire point was that
Michael Jackson is not a musician, not a songwriter, not this, not that, he
is MICHAEL JACKSON, the CONSUMATE professional entertainer. He is a PACKAGE
of talent, an all-rounder. Writing a whole album is not the marker of a
greater talent. Incidentally, he did write or co-write 80% of most of each
of his albums since 1987 but that's besides the point. Michael prides himself
on his collaborations. He is not arrogant enought to think that he has
nothing to learn. His entire phenomenen is about learning. He's learned from
the greats, and he pays homage to them. As for arranging, he's done this
singlehandedly since 1987 on most tracks. Engineering - he's never claimed to
be into this. He has a loyal engineer, Bill Bottrell, who is the top of the
tree and has worked with MJ since Off The Wall in 1979.

I can't actually BELIEVE the response you gave to that posting. Is that all
you have to say? Doesn't seem you like you have much of an argument to me.

Think about this too. Being prolific is NOT a commendation, it just means you
have a lot of time on your hands. Being SELECTIVE is far more important.

[rm...@cam.ac.uk]

In article <199805310240...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

sam...@aol.com (Sam4174) wrote:
>
> the sad thing is...you really think that was funny...and i'm not even
> joking...i mean you really think it's funny...like...damn...really you do. not
> funnier than using mccauly culkin...that's for sure
>

Using him? Could you specify exactly what you mean here? Are you referring to
his appearance in the Black Or White video? Perhaps I can remind you than
Macauley Culkin is now 17 years old, and is the godfather to Michael's first
child. A little-reported fact.

[rm...@cam.ac.uk]

Sam, I had the following published in a Michael Jackson publication. As you
seem to feel authorised to make comments about Michael's desire to be white,
perhaps you would take the time to read the following extract, from my
article, "When You're Only A Fan" from Issue 15 of KING magazine. See
<http://mjni.com> for the full article, which covers the allegations of child
abuse as well as other things. ***

The average person in the street (and, worryingly, an increasing number of
journalists) would look at a photograph of Michael Jackson today, all white
skin and small nose, and a photograph of Michael Jackson 15 years ago, with
dark skin and large nose, and conclude, "He wants to be white."

"Why did he turn himself white" is the question that seems to spring to the
lips of anyone whenever they think about the change in Michael Jackson’s skin
colour, immediately assuming that this is down to some deep-seated wish
within Michael to abandon everything he came from, to forget that before
Michael Jackson, MTV played no black artists, to make a mockery of his
collaborations with almost exclusively black producers and songwriters, to go
against the fact that Michael has consistently supported black causes.

The sad truth is that Michael Jackson suffers from vitiligo, and possibly
other skin disorders. Vitiligo destroys the pigmentation of the skin, not
only taking with it the colour of the skin but also the protection against
skin cancer. Michael Jackson, like any other severe vitiligo sufferer, is
forbidden to allow the sun to reach his face, which is the primary reason
that he wears a face mask. "I’m afraid to say," he said in 1996, "that my
disorder is getting worse." This mask prevents the sun getting to the lower
half of his face; the hat he wears prevents it getting to the upper half. He
simply must not let sunlight get to his face. Whilst filming in Brazil, he
walked around without a mask or hat, but with a huge umbrella to protect him
from the strong sun. Obviously, the mask also serves other purposes -
protecting him from the press, the fans, and also creating a symbolic barrier
between him and the outside world.

When vitiligo begins, it makes blotches on the skin, which can be easily
covered up by dark make-up. However, prolonged exposure to sunlight amongst
other medical factors private to himself, caused Michael to become an acute
sufferer. Most of his body is now pale, and any dark blotches left over have
to be covered over with pale make-up. The idea that he should paint himself
black every morning is ludicrous.

It is important to remember that Michael’s vitiligo make-up is nothing to do
with the fact that he also wears heavy eye-make-up, lipstick, and even false
eyelashes. This Michael attributes to him being an artist, and being on show.
He has always worn make-up to enhance his eyes and lips, long before his skin
turned white. That is therefore a completely separate issue. He doesn’t even
pretend that his glamorous image is down to his vitiligo. "I’m an artist," he
said in 1995 when asked about it.

This widespread myth, that Michael is in some way ashamed of his race is
actually sick, if you stop for one moment to think about it. What it proves
is that the majority of people are still so inherently shocked by the fact
that this little poor black boy came from nothing and became one of the most
famous people on the planet that they use the idea of Michael turning himself
white to justify the fact that Michael is black. When are these people going
to wake up and smell the Maxwell House? Michael has already said, "I am a
black American. I am proud to be a black American. I am proud of my race. I
am proud of who I am. I have a lot of pride and dignity in who I am. When
people make up stories that I don’t want to be who I am, it hurts me." What
more can he possibly say... what more do these people want him to say...
"Piss off white people, I’m a nigga and I’m proud"?

Now, ok, that last bit was silly. But there is a serious point to be made
here. The media, although usually knowing the situation with Michael’s skin
(they, after all, have access to the same material that I do), often
perpetuate the rumour that Michael is attempting to shed his blackness.
People ignore the fact that most of the HIStory album is clearly written from
the point of view of a persecuted black man. Take the lyrics to They Don’t
Care About Us. He says, "Black man, black mail. Throw the brother in jail."
People try and draw links between his face being altered by surgery and the
disease. This is nonsense because his nose was made thinner long before his
skin turned pale. To say that a black man who has his nose made thinner is
wanting to look like a white man assumes two things. Firstly, that all white
men have tiny thin noses. Secondly that, assuming a thin nose is symbolic of
being a white man, Michael sees being black as something to walk away from.

This simply does not tally with the enormous contributions made by Michael to
black inner-city charities, all over the world, especially those carried out
away from the public eye. It ignores the fact that Michael Jackson’s artistic
collaborations are, 99% of the time, with fellow black artists. But most of
all, it ignores the fact that when Michael Jackson’s world fell apart in
1993, who did he turn to? The National Association for the Advancement of
Coloured People. This is a black rights group, who embraced him, and accepted
him. These are people who fight for equality, whose ancestors have actually
died in that fight, welcoming a man who hates being black?! If you believe
that, there’s no hope for you.

(c) Robin Meltzer, 1997; MJ News International 1997

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rm...@cam.ac.uk wrote:

>Black, I can do a repost of something I've already written, but I doubt you'd

Robin, please don't post that again

>If you (or anyone else) wants me to post that thing, let me know.

Please don't, I implore you.

Me.

[^=^]

Geez Robin.... lighten up (oops, bad choice of words). Sam clearly stated he
was just here to do a little trolling, although he did make a few good
points. Don't be so sensitive.

rm...@cam.ac.uk wrote:

>Sam, how DARE you come into this newsgroup and proudly display your ignorance
>in front of people who have bothered to look PAST the tabloids, PAST VH-1,
>whatever. If you want me to tell you why Michael Jackson is not ashamed to be

>Black, I can do a repost of something I've already written, but I doubt you'd

>care. Why don't you just go away back to your Artist newsgroup and come back
>when you can structure an argument based around something other than a VH-1
>poll and comments about his racial identity based on completely illegitmate
>evidence.
>

>If you (or anyone else) wants me to post that thing, let me know.
>

[^=^]

Damn...... too late.

^=^ wrote:

>rm...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
>
>>Black, I can do a repost of something I've already written, but I doubt you'd
>

>Robin, please don't post that again
>

>>If you (or anyone else) wants me to post that thing, let me know.
>

[^=^]

"Default" <MAJI...@prodigy.net> IS a piece of work isn't he/she/it?

sam...@aol.com (Sam4174) wrote:

>the sad thing is...you really think that was funny...and i'm not even
>joking...i mean you really think it's funny...like...damn...really you do. not
>funnier than using mccauly culkin...that's for sure
>

>>The Artist should use people to sell his stuff..oh yeah he does.. A
>>WEBSITE...... LMFAO!!!!
>>Sam4174 wrote in message
>><199805310211...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

[Default]

AND you are pedo asshole!!! Aren't you???
^=^ <^=^> wrote in message <357e4519...@news.mindspring.com>...

[Default]

Thank you Pam!!

You are so right about the VH1 poll and the fact that MJ has had artist from
all walks compliment his work. The word genius always comes up. And I still
can't believe someone would put so much faith in and obvious bias
poll..thats like if they asked all the R&B artist who is the top 100 artist.
NO WAY in hell would Smashing Pumpkins, Nirvana or any of those group would
list in that poll. Like always they asked about 6 blacks, then all the rest
were Rock artist asked to rank top 100. And the thing with the guitar is so
true..lol, how shallow!! I could go on and on, but why bother!! Almost every
new artist R&B and even RAP artist that are topping the charts now, have and
would list MICHAEL..not PRINCE as their reason or a positive influence on
them becoming artist.

K-Day
Pamela Russell wrote in message
<6kqgmo$c29$1...@newsd-163.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

Sam, mentioned that other musicians have spoken of Prince's greatness.
So have many musicians spoken of Michael's greatness. I can not remember
the exact quote of these musicians , unless I go through a VAST
collection of scrapbooks and clippings and tapes.

[Default]

Don't go there Sam....When people say MJ, doesn't want to be black, those
are their views..Michael has always said exactly who he is, and always given
props to the black artist before him, he has said many times how proud he is
to be black, etc...now Prince on the other hand has had trouble in the past
with his "blackness" and his said so...He has even said his dislike of BLACK
WOMEN!! and so forth...so shut the fuck up SAM...Speaking of color, I bet
you are as white as snow..and have the nerve to tell or talk about who wants
to be black ...Black isn't just a skin color, its a state of mind, its who
you are..and NOTHING CAN CHANGE THAT!! And don't pull that bone structure
and lip shit.. obviously you are white..You think black people are known to
be black because of bone structure and lips?? How completely
IGNORANT...Black women throughout history have BEEN RAPED, MOLESTED AND
TAKING ADVANTAGE OF BY THE WHITE MAN...So as you can see BLACK people come
in all shades, textures, bone structures, sizes, etc......

[Default]

PLEASE POST IT ROB..SO I CAN COPY IT AND SEND IT TO SHITTY FACE A MILLION
TIMES!! Thanks Robin!!
^=^ <^=^> wrote in message <35753466...@news.mindspring.com>...

[Default]

I totally agree with you Pam...and you know you will never get any kind of
quote from MJ saying anything close to that. The ignorance some people
display regarding MJ and Vitiligo is beyond any reasonable
comprehension.....What sense would it make to spend 30 years making it in
this business at the TOP of your Game, at the TOP of the WORLD as a Black
MAN, then want to be White. That tired ass arguement about Michael wanting
to get ahead so he "became" white. And in this VERY RACIST society who in
the HELL thinks that a Black person can just go to a doctor and ask to
become "white" ? "he bleached his skin!" ...Another stupid response...Even
more STUPID when you look at MJ and can clearly see dark patches of
skin..check out the TDCAU -Rio Version.. you clearly see where he hasn't
"bleached" his skin. And there is no product on the market or ANYWHERE that
can take dark skin to MILK white!!! And if there was, they sure in hell
wouldnt let the POPULATION know about it. But the true problem with some
people, is common sense!! and their LACK of it. What we have seen happen
with Michael Jackson is classic...Too Much Power, Too much Influence, Too
much Money. Too much Talent, and Too many Followers..Destroy it: hit on the
masculinity, image(bizarre), sexuality( is he gay?), Split, Divide,
onquer( he has followers of all races , plus his own!..take the "not
proud"to be black angle..want to be white!) Friendships( animals, children,
"old" stars) Jump on allegation with no PROOF, ..And Damn look here, not
only didn't MJ blow his head off, he came back and MARRIED the "King's"
little girl. Destroy that call it fake!! Divorce- aww so happy! But look at
this MJ still going, all over the world selling out concerts....Child on the
way, marrying again. Destroy this--- same angle fake marriage..even a fake
child...THAT Didn't work!!! And he has the nerve to meet with heads of
states, presidents, mayors, kings, etc all over the world.. HOW CAN WE
DESTROY this man..Now he wants to invest more money, become even more
richer?? Can't let him do that..let the investors know what a "bad" man he
is..ohhh guess they don't buy it..well hit them in their pockets..Michael
Jackson is BROKE...if he is broke, then who would invest in his
deals..awwwwww Thats how we can destroy him. Well damn he has gone and got
a Black Investor!!! Another Black millionare...hmmmmmm still trying to
decide how to DESTROY this...any suggestions?

P.S. This isn't the race card, it's REALITY.

K-Day
Pamela Russell wrote in message

<6kqk04$coh$1...@newsd-162.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

[Pamela Russell]

K-Day,
It's amazing how WE can see the TRUTH, but others are either TOO stupid
or refuse to see IT. My guess is that they are BOTH.

Pam

[Charlie Botero]

Damn, you girls are ripping it up! I'm proud of you both.

Charlie

[^=^]

"Default" <MAJI...@prodigy.net> wrote:

>And there is no product on the market or ANYWHERE that
>can take dark skin to MILK white!!! And if there was, they sure in hell
>wouldnt let the POPULATION know about it.

See, you are learning.

[^=^]

"Default" <MAJI...@prodigy.net> wrote:

>I totally agree with you Pam...and you know you will never get any kind of
>quote from MJ saying anything close to that. The ignorance some people
>display regarding MJ and Vitiligo is beyond any reasonable
>comprehension.....What sense would it make to spend 30 years making it in
>this business at the TOP of your Game, at the TOP of the WORLD as a Black
>MAN, then want to be White. That tired ass arguement about Michael wanting
>to get ahead so he "became" white. And in this VERY RACIST society who in
>the HELL thinks that a Black person can just go to a doctor and ask to
>become "white" ? "he bleached his skin!" ...Another stupid response...Even
>more STUPID when you look at MJ and can clearly see dark patches of
>skin..check out the TDCAU -Rio Version.. you clearly see where he hasn't

>"bleached" his skin. And there is no product on the market or ANYWHERE that

>can take dark skin to MILK white!!! And if there was, they sure in hell

>wouldnt let the POPULATION know about it. But the true problem with some
>people, is common sense!! and their LACK of it. What we have seen happen
>with Michael Jackson is classic...Too Much Power, Too much Influence, Too
>much Money. Too much Talent, and Too many Followers..Destroy it: hit on the
>masculinity, image(bizarre), sexuality( is he gay?), Split, Divide,
>onquer( he has followers of all races , plus his own!..take the "not
>proud"to be black angle..want to be white!) Friendships( animals, children,
>"old" stars) Jump on allegation with no PROOF, ..And Damn look here, not
>only didn't MJ blow his head off, he came back and MARRIED the "King's"
>little girl. Destroy that call it fake!! Divorce- aww so happy! But look at
>this MJ still going, all over the world selling out concerts....Child on the
>way, marrying again. Destroy this--- same angle fake marriage..even a fake
>child...THAT Didn't work!!! And he has the nerve to meet with heads of
>states, presidents, mayors, kings, etc all over the world.. HOW CAN WE
>DESTROY this man..Now he wants to invest more money, become even more
>richer?? Can't let him do that..let the investors know what a "bad" man he
>is..ohhh guess they don't buy it..well hit them in their pockets..Michael
>Jackson is BROKE...if he is broke, then who would invest in his
>deals..awwwwww Thats how we can destroy him. Well damn he has gone and got
>a Black Investor!!! Another Black millionare...hmmmmmm still trying to
>decide how to DESTROY this...any suggestions?
>
>P.S. This isn't the race card, it's REALITY.
>
>K-Day

God damn K-Day... you are consumed with hatred. Tell me this... is it only
non-black people that try to tear him down?

[rm...@cam.ac.uk]

K-Day, I think you're basically right, sad as it is to say that, as it's such
a pessimistic viewpoint. But you made me think and sometimes it's time to
face reality and your comments help those of us slightly removed from the
sphere of action to understand what it's like.

It's hard for me to be taken seriously sometimes when I express similar
sentiments to those because I am a) white and b) English, and so AM just
about as far away from the American racism victim as you can imagine! But the
colour of my skin is irrelevant as I am intelligent enough to realise that
all is not well. Flippant remarks from Mr Squiggle about whether only
non-black people are set to bring MJ down are even more irrelevant. Of course
the answer is no, but it IS *generally* (and not exclusively) fellow black
people in the USA who support him the most, from what I have witnessed. When
I think of famous MJ supporters, I think of Liz Taylor and Steven Spielburg
and then a host of black entertainers and luminaries.

Thought you might find this interesting: In today's (Monday June 1) NEW YORK
TIMES was an article about Frank Sinatra called SINATRA, NOT A MYTH BUT A
MAN, AND ONE AMONG MANY BY MARGO JEFFERSON.

The article begins praising Sinatra's schievements. His ability as a song
stylist - his sexual charisma. And then it continues:

"It has been very unpleasant reading these eulogies to see how segregated,
racially and sexually, views of popular music remain. And wearying to have
to note that nearly all of the pre-Sinatra innovators who are left out of
this musical hagiography are blacks and women...

"It makes one remember that preferential treatment based on race and gender
has always been the norm in American life; if is only the beneficiaries who
have changed in the last few decades. For all lof his talent and drive,
Sinatra benefited greatly from the preferential treatment given his race
and gender, as if by natural right in those days. ( So for all of his
greatness as a dancer, did Fred Astaire.) Not only did Sinatra have
unparelled power in the music industry, he got to act out a lavish drama of
masculinity that thrilled the entire culture.

"What black man could have gotten away with such cocky brashness and become a
star of that magnitude? ( Witness the unusually passive public demeanor of
Cole.) What woman of either race could have? They simply could not have
seized the imagination and approval of a mass audience with such open
displays of power and nose-thumbing.

"Sinatra was a great performer because he joined kinetic musical force to
what looked and sounded like pure naturalism. It was also his great good
fortune to come of age in a time when the world still considered whiteness
and maleness the best and most natural of states."

-

An American friend of mine sent that to me with the following endword from
her: "And here you have a piece of American culture - that still exists
today."

That's very sad. Notice how MJ has been left out of the TIME 20 Greatest
Entertainers. That's ridiculous. The Black people in that chart were amazing
entertainers but only within their own fields (Aretha, Louis). Michael
Jackson is the ultimate crossover artist, who brought Black music to the
mainstream, who opened MTV up to Black artists (who are still played today
even when their lyrics incite violence yet Michael Jackson's lyrics of love
and harmony are not played - sick), who became a role model for millions of
children OF ALL COLOURS. How much more influential can you GET? TIME are
BLIND. But they are sadly not colour-blind, in my humble opinion.

Rob

[Sam4174]

with all due respect...plenty of people were left off that time 100
list...hendrix...cosby...pryor...MJ wasn't the only one.

[rm...@cam.ac.uk]

In article <199806011700...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,

sam...@aol.com (Sam4174) wrote:
>
> with all due respect...plenty of people were left off that time 100
> list...hendrix...cosby...pryor...MJ wasn't the only one.
>

Thank you for so spectacularly missing the point. I thought you'd gone now,
anyway? Can't get enough?

[Default]

Thanks Rob!

As far as The Time Poll goes..well Time magazine is getting more and more
like a glossy tabloid. They are using many of the same tactics..and are
being called on it, every once in a while. So I don't give them much
thought. They left alot of truely great people off...and Yes Frank was great
but I don't know where he would have been ranked had he not died!! They have
polls before and I don't recall seeing his name mentioned! But when you see
they put Bart Simpson as one of the 20..well so goes that!!

K-Day
rm...@cam.ac.uk wrote in message <6kue8f$r7t$1...@nnrp2.dejanews.com>...

[^=^]

"Default" <MAJI...@prodigy.net> wrote:

TICK..... TICK..... TICK..............

[Default]

STUPID STUPID STUPID.....don't even try to get in on this conversation,,YOUR
NOT WORTHY! Nor are you wanted.

K-Day
^=^ <^=^> wrote in message <35765465....@news.mindspring.com>...

>TICK..... TICK..... TICK..............
>
>
>

[Eric]

Default wrote:
>
> Thanks Rob!
>
> As far as The Time Poll goes..well Time magazine is getting more and more
> like a glossy tabloid. They are using many of the same tactics..and are
> being called on it, every once in a while. So I don't give them much
> thought. They left alot of truely great people off...and Yes Frank was
great
> but I don't know where he would have been ranked had he not died!! They
have
> polls before and I don't recall seeing his name mentioned! But when you
see
> they put Bart Simpson as one of the 20..well so goes that!!

There you go. Dying is probably the smartest thing for a legend to do. :)
I'm thankful Michael is strong and resiliant enough to survive, but look at
Elvis Presley, James Dean, Jimi Hendrix, etc... if they would have lived to
85 years and died in their sleep, people would currently have *very*
different impressions of them.

Eric

[Student]

Sam4174 wrote:
>
> i'm not going to sit here and qualify myself in order to give my posting the
> prerequisite credibilty it needs here, by saying that i'm a fan of michael
> jackson...i'm not...not since 1984. that said, i don't hate the comparison of
> MJ and Prince...i don't care. Prince's reputation as probably the greatest
> musician of his generation is rock solid. he has admirers from neil young to
> clapton to TLC to trent reznor to billy corgan on and on and on...when VH-1
> took a poll of musicians (like clapton.sheryl crow. mic jagger), asking who are
> the greatest musicians of the century...prince was #17...MJ? # 40 i think, if
> not lower...prince was the youngest in the top 20...TOP 20...it always amazes
> how people who KNOW music laugh at this comparison, while "fans" really try to
> compare them...it's ridiculous. when MJ hangs out and jams with miles davis
> (well, he can't now...and probably couldn't if miles was alive) or
> deangelo...or the stones...you tell me he's a better musician than prince.
> other than that...please just stop it. as a real fan of MUSIC, i'm telling you,
> it's embarrassing for you to do that...you can't find a flaw in his
> musicianship... you'd be contracdicting some of the most respected musicians
> EVER...and that's just foolish. yeah yeah yeah...MJ sells more records...yeah,
> and so does hanson and the spice girls...and MJ sales aren't worth a fart
> either...blood on the dance floor...are you serious? that was salmmed by
> critics...emancipation wasn't...neither was crystal ball...and that's another
> thing...critics...who would they say is that better...i bet you wouldn't dare
> ask for fear of being laughed at for being the naive music listener you are.

who's prince? j.s.s

[BJ...@webtv.net]

Come on people! I'm a huge MJ fan and what Sam says is true. If you talk
to anyone who truely knows music who the better artist is I'm sorry to
say but the answer is Prince. I love Michael with ALL my heart, but he's
not the better artist. Now if someone were to ask who's the better
performer, singer, dancer, and flat out the better person it would be
Michael all the way!!! Maybe Mike is the better artist, but out of all
of you who has ever seen Michael play an instrument live? Personally I
feel Michael holds back a lot. Lyricly and Musicly he doesn't put it all
out there. Michael's music however is getting better. Take Morphine,
Ghost, and Is it Scary meaning in these songs are not just plane as day.
They are songs you have to think about to get the true meaning behind
them. True, Michael is the King of Pop, but pop music is not exactly
music for the mind or the soul. Let me say again I love Michael more
than anything in this world. Sometimes I feel like it's him who keeps me
going day by day. Like Princess Di was the Queen of hearts I feel
Michael is her King!!! To me Michael's the King of Pop hearts
entertaining singing and dancing, but no...Michael is not at the level
of Prince.....yet!

Peace

[donald]

Michael Jackson isn´t as good as Frank Sinatra.

harvey

^=^ <^=^> schrieb in Nachricht <35765465....@news.mindspring.com>...

>"Default" <MAJI...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
>>I totally agree with you Pam...
>>

>>P.S. This isn't the race card, it's REALITY.
>
>
>

>TICK..... TICK..... TICK..............in your head
>
>
>

[MsT...@webtv.net]

[Default]

ROTFPMPLMMFAO!!!!! ohhhhhhhhh this is a good one, thank you for the LAUGH
harvey...LOL Harvey...hardy har har... Are you Donald Harvey the Drake
Hospital Nurse Killer???

K-Day
donald wrote in message <89699224...@raistlin2.carinthia.co.at>...

[M.B. Tighe]

A lot of us truly know music, and a lot of us don't agree with you. Don't
be so arrogant.

Tourniquet

BJ...@webtv.net wrote in article
<6l6jag$or7$1...@newsd-112.bryant.webtv.net>...

[M.B. Tighe]

By the way, I never would be so egotistical as to claim I REALLY know
music, I simply made the statement that a lot of people on the newsgroup
do. Read what I actually write, not what you think I'm sayin'.

Tourniquet

Sam4174 <sam...@aol.com> wrote in article
<199806050002...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>A lot of us truly know music, and a lot of us don't agree with you. Don't
>be so arrogant.
>
>Tourniquet

ok...so you truely KNOW music...who's better?

MJ v. Jimi Hendrix?
MJ v. The Beatles?
MJ v. Pearl Jam?
MJ v. Stevie Wonder?
MJ v. Deangelo

here's a hint...all of them are/were better MUSICIANS than MJ. your
unwillingness to admit even the slightest or CLEAREST inferiority of MJ
compared to other artists is absolutely astonishing.
i give up...i night as well be talking to a buncha teenyboppers who swear
hanson is the greatest to ever live...this is brutally sad. you all
obviously
are in love with the person and not his music...i don't know why i didn't
notice that sooner...well, i know it now...you guys won't hear another peep
outta me...except when MJ teams with puffy, master p or wu-tang (a tried
and
true MJ marketing trick) to resucitate his career...then, i'll have say i
told
you so...add to that list jermaine dupri...i think i have 'em all covered
:)

[M.B. Tighe]

You are still being arrogant.

In the world of music, the type of comparisions you are making are all
based on the opinions of some. I have seen the most musically acclaimed
critics debate topics such as this.

IT ALL DEPENDS ON YOUR PERSONAL PREFERENCE.

Grow up you arrogant snob. :0)

Although, you being a snob is, afte all, just my opinion. . .

[M.B. Tighe]

Rock on, you are a wise one, still just my opinion though. lol

Tourniquet

PAdams4232 <padam...@aol.com> wrote in article
<199806050028...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
*ok...so you truely KNOW music...who's better?

MJ v. Jimi Hendrix?
MJ v. The Beatles?
MJ v. Pearl Jam?
MJ v. Stevie Wonder?

MJ v. Deangelo*

Michael isn't better than anyone on that list. But the artists on this
list-as
well as every other artist in the world- are no better than Michael
either!!!
It is ALL about opinions. Nothing more, Nothing less!!!! Some hate him-some
don't. Some hate Prince/The Artist formally known as-some don't. That's
life.
Are any of these guys losing sleep over who likes me-who hates me?! No, I
doubt
it!!!!

[Pamela Russell]

Sam4174,

WHAT IS YOUR POINT? YOU came to
this MJ board and STARTED the
comparisions!!! WE didn't go to the
TAFKAP board and start this stupid
comparison. You are UPSET because we
don't agree with you. I have stated earlier
that I think that Prince is the BETTER
musician, but I think that Michael is the
better ENTERTAINER. Why do you
continue this CHILDISH tirade about who
is better? I can guarantee you will NOT
sway anyone's opinion.

By the way I am a musician, so I am NOT
some little teeny bopper making a
statement. I have listened to and
analyzed TAFKAP lyrics and melodies
many times. His music is complex and
interesting. BUT, his music does NOT make me
FEEL anything. I have also
analyzed,listened ,sang,played, danced to
and FELT every conceivable EMOTION
when I hear Michael's music.

Your CONTINUED bashing of Michael is only making YOU look foolish. If
your goal was to come and sway opinions , you have FAILED miserably.

I am going to say this again, Who gives a F%#* about who is the
GREATEST? Your opinion means NOTHING to MJ fans, and OUR opinion means
nothing to TAFKAP fans.

Do something useful with your life, instead of trying to PROVE something
that
means CRAP to any intelligent fan.

Pam

[Pamela Russell]

PA ADAMS ,

Well said!!!!!!!!!!

PAM

[Sam4174]

>A lot of us truly know music, and a lot of us don't agree with you. Don't
>be so arrogant.
>
>Tourniquet

ok...so you truely KNOW music...who's better?

MJ v. Jimi Hendrix?
MJ v. The Beatles?
MJ v. Pearl Jam?
MJ v. Stevie Wonder?

[PAdams4232]

*ok...so you truely KNOW music...who's better?

MJ v. Jimi Hendrix?
MJ v. The Beatles?
MJ v. Pearl Jam?
MJ v. Stevie Wonder?

[PAdams4232]

*Come on people! I'm a huge MJ fan and what Sam says is true. If you talk to

anyone who truely knows music who the better artist is I'm sorry to say but the

answer is Prince.*

I think EVERYONE is losing it completely on this subject. No one on this planet
know more about music and one being a better musician then anyone else does!!!!
So I think the above statement was an ignorant one!!! Have you forgotten that
it's opinions?! and ONLY opinions?! You cannot base someone and their music
abilities by someone else's opinions!!! This crap is ridiculous!!!!

*I love Michael with ALL my heart, but he's not the better artist. Now if

someone were to ask who's the better performer, singer, dancer, and flat out
the better person it would be Michael all the way!!! Maybe Mike is the better
artist, but out of all of you who has ever seen Michael play an instrument

live?*

So what? Who gives a rats ass if Michael has or hasn't played an instrument
live-that does NOT mean he can't and/or doesn't play one at all!!!!

*Personally I feel Michael holds back a lot. Lyricly and Musicly he doesn't put

it all out there. Michael's music however is getting better. Take Morphine,
Ghost, and Is it Scary meaning in these songs are not just plane as day. They
are songs you have to think about to get the true meaning behind them. True,
Michael is the King of Pop, but pop music is not exactly music for the mind or

the soul.*

And some would say rap isn't either. I personally say-if it touches your
soul-regardless if it's pop, R&B, Rap, Big Band, Funk, Heavy Metal-this
music-ALL of this music and these categories-touches someone's mind and soul
somewhere in the world-just because one of these (artist and/or category of
music) doesn't touch yours-doesn't mean you are right (Sam and anyone else)!!!!
Tell me-where are the guidelines for which type of music is for the mind & soul
for everyone?!....Tell me where are the guidelines for this artist is better
then that one just because that one plays an instrument live?! There are no
guidelines for any of these things.

[Chris Schanding]

Pam,

You mean Sam's opinion means nothing to anybody on this Planet!

Later,
Chris

[Eric]

MsT...@webtv.net wrote:
> That's why it's silly to compare the two. You can't! But I find it odd
> that some people on this NG tears a persons accomplishments away in
> order to build someone else's up. It's unneccessary and unfair. They are
> both LEGENDS, and they will both be REMEMBERED and written about in 100
> years. Like I said before, these guys (Michael, Madonna and Prince) are
> the last of the icons. They can do it better than the rest. Lets stop
> comparing the three and look at their accomplishments.

Yeah, but that's also an opinion of yours, which many will staunchly
disagree with.
What I'm about to write is also a personal opinion, but fortunately, a
much more common opinion, since most people in the world would (I think)
agree.

Wisdom in music is misunderstood as being a diversity in playing
instruments. Anybody with some time and/or money can figure out how a
horn or guitar works.
Someone who may not play many instruments may be more innovative and
creative when it comes to music than someone who does.

The mistake of taking a group of people and calling one "the best", and
"better", etc. is always a mistake. It's like the Time magazine issue on
black musicians that have lasted. True, anyone can paste a picture of
Stevie Wonder or Aretha Franklin or Gladys Knight beside Michael
Jackson's picture. But if you observe any of these people, they maybe
have one or two things going for them. They may excel in a facet of what
they do; for example, Stevie Wonder has a one-of-a-kind voice, etc. But
if you *really* analyze who has taken art and entertainment to an
earth-shattering level... who has really built a temple out of a
mountain of sandstone, and done something completely revolutionary that
*works*, most would agree Michael Jackson is the only person living who
has done it to that degree. What/who Prince Nelson is may be "good" in a
facet or two of music, but as far as being a pioneer and a revolutionary
in such an eclectic art form, as Michael has, simply isn't there.

Something else is, Michael is what you call a "natural". It means that
since he was born, he had this destiny, this ability, and this potential
to do what he has done. The way Prince acts, looks, talks, and makes
decisions just reeks of Michael Jacksonism. It's obvious he's not being
honest to himself or his public, and is trying to in a sense be a
different person than who God made him. I don't blame him for trying,
though. He sees Michael Jackson like this supernatural surreal entity,
who has all the allure of a dark, seductive force yet the forces which
drive him on are pure... he sees the makeup, the voice, the appeal, and
he wants it. But it blows up spectacularly in his face. As I've said
before, there can only be one Michael Jackson a bi-millenium.

As for the music, I decided to do a little research and listened to a
few clips of ()&#&^@ (or whatever his name is), and I don't mean to be
rude but... please. He simply tries too hard. He's not being fair to his
public, to release any garbage that comes to his mind. I usually don't
criticize any piece that I don't understand but, to be honest I think my
cat walking all over my keyboard makes better music. I guess I'm one of
those old-fashioned people who thinks good music is for everybody. I
think good music can be played to a plant to make it healthy. You
shouldn't have to, in my opinion, play the piece backwards and upside
down, with a dictionary close in hand and a syringe of heroine in the
arm.
Michael Jackson's music is for everybody. It has enough depth to
interest music-lyric buffs, while being aesthetically pleasing enough
for the youngest of children or the oldest of men.

Eric

[Sam4174]

i see now...you're in love with the guy. let's see you defend him more...i
have a few qestions:

1. MTV awards...MJ-lisa marie...the kiss...what was that? how could such a
decent man be so gratuitous? what was the purpose of them kissing? no
purpose...trying to convince the world he was straight...hey, it looked
"natural"...yah, right :)

2. ever see "all songs produced, arranged, and composed by MJ" on an MJ CD?
hells noooo

3. look...MJ hasn't revolutionized anything dude..damn, just face it...he's
sold a lotta records...that's it....are you that blind. selling records means
you have mass appeal...did the bee-gees revolutionize music too? good
googly-moogly...you people are in a trance here. hey here's an idea...do a
search in deja news and type in "greatest muscian michael jackson"...i will eat
my damn computer if you get back more than 10 articles from a Ng OTHER than
this joint. BUT...you type in "Bowie, Prince, Clapton Greatest Musicians" and
you get 100s of articles back from various NGs. no one but MJ fans believe he's
had a great impact on the artistry of pop music. he's added no production
value...inspired no new sounds...nothing to do with music... he has sold
records based on his incredible performances and charisma...and no that MTV
hates him and the charisma aspect has been tarnished by the allegation..his
aura has been smashed completely.

. The way Prince acts, looks, talks, and makes
>decisions just reeks of Michael Jacksonism. It's obvious he's not being
>honest to himself or his public, and is trying to in a sense be a
>different person than who God made him. I don't blame him for trying,
>though. He sees Michael Jackson like this supernatural surreal entity,
>who has all the allure of a dark, seductive force yet the forces which
>drive him on are pure... he sees the makeup, the voice, the appeal, and
>he wants it

LOL!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!! you are nuts!!!!! LOL!!!!!! prince doesn't
act like MJ fella. at. the height of their fame...he walked around with
beautiful women (still does...his wife), while MJ walked around with
bubbles...and don't bother denying it, cause we all saw bubbles everytime he
was on TV. damn, you must really hate some prince huh? now, i'm gonna start
talking about how great madonna is to see if you think she tried to act like MJ
too...LOL...hey does nelson mandela try to act like MJ Too? LOL!!!!!!! i dunno
why I'm even laughing...you're disturbed..."dark seductive forces"...so MJ is
now the Vampire Lestat? is that it? yeah right...MJ always wished he could act
like prince from everything i've read...but he never could...he had to be Mr.
disney...well, look where that got him...ahem.

5. prince does release anything that comes to mind...it's called artistic
integrity...he throws it out there and let's people decide what they like...i
think some stuff stinks, but most of it is pure genuis...see, that's why
prince's work is loved by other musicians and the critcs...he doesn't
care...his best songs have never been released as singles and that's cost him
some record sales, but he doesn't care...and there's the difference. while most
release 7 singles off an album...prince realeases 2 or 3 (and not even the best
ones) and that's it...off to the studio to make a new. record...brilliant.

6. i gurantee if MJ played guitar and sat down at a piano and had some really
mezmerizing lyrics, you'd scream to high heaven that that's what good music is
all about....LOL.

"Doubts of our conviction follow where we go. And when the world's compassion
ceases still I know. For your every touch, I thank you so much...for your every
kiss, I wish you love...I wish you heaven...I wish you heaven...I wish you
heaven."

that song was never realeased as a single...it's only 2 and a half minutes long
and that's the only verse. yet, it's lyrically superior to ANYTHING i've ever
heard MJ come up with. and it's also more "chrisitian" than anything MJ has
ever done...and I won't even bring up songs like "the ladder" and "God"...then
you'd really be put to shame. you might hate the fact that someone who talks
about sex could write lyrics that are so religious, but i keep telling
you...that's the honesty you keep talking about...MJ will never have GREAT
lyrics...he's too "safe" to be that honest.

7. "natural" and "michael jackson"...are you serious?

[Pamela Russell]

Eric,
I truly admire you for your STRONG convictions.I like how you don't
allow anyone to sway your opinion. I consider you a strong man.

Pam

[Chris Schanding]

Great post Eric! hahaha Liked the syringe in the arm part! JESUS H! You
do need to be on some good drugs to understand anything of The Artist's
lyrics since he changed his name! hahahaha

[Chris Schanding]

Sam, about number 2. I rarely see ANY cd that has the same person doing
all those things! I guess that's why Prince's couple of last cd's sucked
a fuckin' dick! True? hahahahahaha You moron! Go back to your NG!

[Sam4174]

his last 2 cds were crtically acclaimed :) thank you for partcipating though.

RS review:

blood on the dance floor: *1/2
emancipation: ****

and that about sums it up :)

penrose and hawking don't have a damned clue....they should just admit it.

[Sam4174]

nope...you just need a whole lotta pain killers and a surgical mask :)

[MsT...@webtv.net]

[Charlie Botero]

The King Of Pop vs. Pearl Jam? HAH HAH HAH!!! That was awesome. Eddie
Vedder's band is tired and dated. He doesn't even enjoy his fame(which
he should be thanking God he even got with that awful voice)and as Noel
Gallagher once said, the putz should go work at McDonald's if he doesn't
enjoy fame. MJ FARTS better tunes in his sleep than Pearl Jam can WRITE
as a WHOLE band. Awesome one. Thanks for the laughs. This place was
boring before this.

Charlie

[Eric]

MsT...@webtv.net wrote:

> We know that Michael Jackson is a legend and he has transended all music
> barriers. We know that Michael Jackson is the greatest performer,
> entertainer, and humanitarian. He's even much more than that! But we
> cannot steal Prince' achivements away from him by trivializing his art
> and amazing talent.
>
> MsTenda

We haven't. We have merely made clear the accomplishments of MJ. We
wouldn't be so dumb as to instigate such a stupid comparison.
Personally, I cannot see what there is to like about (*@@%*#. I don't
downplay his music-writing abilities or anything like that. Music is
ultimately about personal taste and opinion and I respect Sammy for
that. But I do have standards and I'm not blind and I *will* make
certain things clear need they be made clear.

Eric

[your mama]

[your mama]

[jim neal]

-prince has no where reached the plateau tha t michael has reached. you
said it in your own words michael is by far a bigger selling artist-
don't get me wrong i am not sayig the reason i think prince is not as
good as good as mj has to do with record sales. i am just proving you
wrong. ok you seem to base your opinion on what you read and hear others
say about prnce
and mj re: so and so said this about prince andthis such tv program said
this- whatever.
it is obvious prince has somewhat of a better standing with the media.
reason for that he is simply of no intrest to people. to most he is a
little 4 foot freak who is nameless. literally.
but that s an opinion not a fact, perse.
my point--can you realy base a balanced opinion on what the media
claims. no i think we all know that. so therefor you cannot be correct
in any aspect of what you are saying. you are not basing your words on
fact. that is the rouble with the world today. could you imagine what mj
would be thought of as if a slanderous word(s) had never been printed
about him. why would he be too famous--- because he can do things and
nobody can help but to watch. or listen whether you like it or not. look
at the beatls, elvis, and ..... michael . similar don't you think?
why because they are pioneers. they made something new happen.prince
does ok but think about it he exists, his style of music exists because
of the change of an era. i think we all know who's responsible for this
era, just look and listen, mj samples in songs, mj style
everywhere--dance, singing, and even dress.
but hey everyone is entitled to there own opinion.

[PAdams4232]

*1. MTV awards...MJ-lisa marie...the kiss...what was that? how could such a

decent man be so gratuitous? what was the purpose of them kissing? no
purpose...trying to convince the world he was straight...hey, it looked

"natural"...yah, right :)*

What does that have to do with his talents? You are bringing up his PERSONAL
life that has NOTHING to do with his music abilities!!!

*2. ever see "all songs produced, arranged, and composed by MJ" on an MJ CD?
hells noooo*

That doesn't mean Michael cannot do it. Have you ever thought-that Michael
likes to bring other people in for new ideals with music, in new levels that he
has never been to?! You can grow musicwise when you bring in new/different
people to work with, with each album-just as much as you can when you do it
yourself!!

*3. look...MJ hasn't revolutionized anything dude..damn, just face it...he's
sold a lotta records...that's it....are you that blind.*

You must be blind-that's why you see artists like Usher dancing "like" Michael.
That's why you see black artists on MTV. Michael changed MTV!! Michael has
changed the face of music (so did Prince). If that isn't revolutionized
somethings-I don't know what is. You are the one who is blind. You need to open
your eyes and realize that just as many people look "up" to Michael as people
do with Prince. Why?! Because Michael is JUST AS GOOD as Prince (and visa
versa).

*selling records means you have mass appeal...did the bee-gees revolutionize

music too? good googly-moogly...you people are in a trance here. hey here's an
idea...do a search in deja news and type in "greatest muscian michael
jackson"...i will eat my damn computer if you get back more than 10 articles
from a Ng OTHER than this joint. BUT...you type in "Bowie, Prince, Clapton

Greatest Musicians" and you get 100s of articles back from various NGs....*

Oh so now I'm confused-so selling a lot of albums doesn't mean that but the #
of posts/articles on the internet does?!?!?!?! Uhh hello?!?!?!? That doesn't
make sense now does it?! I'd knew you'd agree with me : )

*...........*

*LOL!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!! you are nuts!!!!! LOL!!!!!! prince doesn't

act like MJ fella. at. the height of their fame...he walked around with
beautiful women (still does...his wife), while MJ walked around with
bubbles...and don't bother denying it, cause we all saw bubbles everytime he

was on TV. damn, you must really hate some prince huh?*

Who hates Prince? It looks like you are the one that hates Michael!!! Prince
doesn't act like Michael and Michael doesn't act like Prince-thank God for the
both of them!!

*now, i'm gonna start talking about how great madonna is to see if you think

she tried to act like MJ too...LOL...hey does nelson mandela try to act like MJ

Too?*

I must have deleted a post from this thread (who wouldn't). But whoever says
that Michael copied Prince or that Prince copied Michael. Or that Madonna
copied Michael or Michael copied Madonna, are full of it. All three of these
artists are completely different in their own way (again-thank God for all
because I like individuality).

*LOL!!!!!!! i dunno why I'm even laughing...you're disturbed..."dark seductive

forces"...so MJ is now the Vampire Lestat? is that it? yeah right...MJ always

wished he could act like prince from everything i've read*

What have you read? I've never heard Michael mention or even suggest that he
wants to be/act like Prince. Again this is one of the dumbest threads EVER on
this MJ board. You must have some kind of thing with Michael to keep coming
back here praising Prince and knocking Michael with your pointless tactics!!!

*...but he never could...he had to be Mr. disney...well, look where that got
him...ahem.*

Yep-Michael is Mr. Disney and Prince is Mr. Pussy Control-and your point would
be?!

*5. prince does release anything that comes to mind...it's called artistic

integrity...he throws it out there and let's people decide what they like... i
think some stuff stinks, but most of it is pure genuis...see, that's why

prince's work is loved by other musicians and the critcs*

So is Michael's...

*...he doesn't care...his best songs have never been released as singles and

that's cost him some record sales, but he doesn't care...and there's the
difference. while most release 7 singles off an album...prince realeases 2 or 3
(and not even the best

ones) and that's it...off to the studio to make a new record...brilliant.*

Good for Prince. Prince does what he *thinks* is best with his music. What do
you know-again in the same boat-so does Michael!!

.............

*and it's also more "chrisitian" than anything MJ has ever done...and I won't

even bring up songs like "the ladder" and "God"...then you'd really be put to
shame. you might hate the fact that someone who talks about sex could write
lyrics that are so religious, but i keep telling you...that's the honesty you

keep talking about...MJ will never have GREAT lyrics*

Again your opinion. Ever listen to Stranger in Moscow?! That song is one of the
best I've ever heard. I'm sure there are some Prince songs out there that
Michael probably wouldn't even touch-cause it's just not his thing. But there
are some MJ songs that Prince won't touch either-why?! Because it's just not
his thing either. If everyone walks around on this planet trying to be someone
else and everything being/sounding the same-I'd say shoot me because it would
be boring. I like both of these artists. Both are different-both are far from
boring : )

*...he's too "safe" to be that honest.*

oh goodness help us all, Michael isn't living on the edge-what are we going to
do?!

*7. "natural" and "michael jackson"...are you serious?*

Prince is natural?! Hell no-are you serious?! No actually, again, like I've
pretty much said before-both of these artists are "naturals" -it just all
depends on who YOU like better.

I'm beginning to think that you are the one who is obsessed with Prince the way
you come over here-praise Prince and when you end it- you ALWAYS have something
neg. to say about Michael.

You need to deal with the fact that many people-including other great artists
like/love Michael Jackson. And visa versa with some Michael fans.

Many people are very bias when it comes to defending the artist that they like
better (Sam-you included. I admit-I do it to sometimes-everyone does.) but deep
down we all know that every artist out there-are out there because someone else
thinks highly of them-regardless if you think so or not. It's just a fact-deal
with it. It doesn't look like Michael is going ANYWHERE anytime soon. And to
some MJ fans-it doesn't look like Prince is going ANYWHERE anytime soon either.
So can't we all just get along?!

: )

[PAdams4232]

I agree

*Like I said before, Prince (not The Artist) will be remembered 100 years from
now. He is one of the most prolific artist of our time. No one can compare
Prince to MJ because it should not be done. Michael Jackson is in his own
league of his own. But to say that Prince music is empty with no meaning is
simply wrong.

Sure Prince can play a zillion insturments, but he learned how to play those
insturments at a very young age. He is called by many music critics and artists
a prodigy. He has written some of the most beautiful songs. "Nothing Compares 2
U " (A song written, produced, and composed by Prince and remade by Sinead O'
Conner) is a magnificent piece of work.

[PAdams4232]

I know I commented on this when it was carried over by Sam. But the
statement...

*As I've said before, there can only be one Michael Jackson a bi-millenium.*

this statement really goes for everyone on this planet-not just Michael. There
is only one of us, ever. That goes for people like Michael, Prince, Madonna,
Princess Diana etc-everyone.

I agree-Michael has changed A LOT in the music biz. But you are making him out
to be the highest there ever is and was. Michael is on the same level as
everyone else humanly. Musically he's on the same level as all musicians
because in reality-everyone is right. You ask everyone-yes many would probably
repeat with the same artists (Michael Jackson, etc) but it really doesn't mean
much at all, not to me anyway. ; )

And I'm finally done with this thread!!!

*Something else is, Michael is what you call a "natural". It means that since

he was born, he had this destiny, this ability, and this potential to do what

he has done. The way Prince acts, looks, talks, and makes decisions just reeks

of Michael Jacksonism. It's obvious he's not being honest to himself or his
public, and is trying to in a sense be a different person than who God made
him. I don't blame him for trying, though. He sees Michael Jackson like this
supernatural surreal entity, who has all the allure of a dark, seductive force
yet the forces which drive him on are pure... he sees the makeup, the voice,

the appeal, and he wants it. But it blows up spectacularly in his face. As I've
said before, there can only be one Michael Jackson a bi-millenium.*

[BJ...@webtv.net]

Ms. Tenda, Thank you for your kind words in reference to my opinion on
the whole Prince thing. You are tuely the only person who keeps me
coming back to this NG, which is really only once a month. There was a
time when I came here everyday just because I knew MJ fans are the
kindest people out there. I realize I was wrong. There was a time when I
thought MJ fan were the most open minded people....Once again I was
wrong. It hurts me so bad to see the members of this NG fight. People we
all need to open our minds and our hearts. If Michael was to read the
post in this group how do you think he would react? In MY OPINION I
truely feel he would be hurt to read such close minded post. This
doesn't go for everybody, but some of you, with ALL due respect, need to
grow up. If that statment made you mad then it was likly refering to
you. Give Michael your love! He needs your love, but be sure not to give
him all your love. Save room in your heart for the rest of the world. We
should all love everybody! I leave you with this, which do you think
Mike would want more for this NG to be, a group about the superiority of
Michael Jackson or do you think he would perfer more threads love, not
just for him, but of the human race? Please think about it. I think it's
time for this news group to "Make that change." It's time we took this
group to the next level. Think about it....I love you all.

Peace

[Joe_H...@hotmail.com]

K-Day are yuo a pedo-lovin penis swallowin bich?

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[Pamela Russell]

jim,
wonderful post. any intelligent person will understand. your basic point
is that all of sam's posts are just opinions. thank you for a job well
done.

pam

[Syed]

Sam4174 wrote:
>
> the sad thing is...you really think that was funny...and i'm not even
> joking...i mean you really think it's funny...like...damn...really you do. not
> funnier than using mccauly culkin...that's for sure
>
> >The Artist should use people to sell his stuff..oh yeah he does.. A
> >WEBSITE...... LMFAO!!!!
> >Sam4174 wrote in message
> ><199805310211...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
> >..same USING of
> >>the current hot names in pop culture to sell his stuff....r. kelly? teddy
> >>riley? van halen? little mccauly?LOL

> >>
>
> penrose and hawking don't have a damned clue....they should just admit it.
>
>
>
>

What you mean by using Mccauly Culkin?

[Default]

DUH..You retarted, incest loving pedo!!! And why don't you go ahead and bury
your dead mother instead of using her rottening body for your pleasure..YOU
ARE ONE SICK MOTHER FUCKER.. And stoop letting UseLes take turms on her
rotten snatch!!over flowing with maggots. you nasty sick mother and boy
rapist!!
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[Tourniquet]

So has he recieved a Grammy Living Legend award by now?

Tourniquet

Sam4174 <sam...@aol.com> wrote in article
<199806070048...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

hey, remember you said something something about no one cares what all
those
white people think, in reference to prince being rated ahead of MJ by more
than
20 spots on the VH-1 list...well, here a list from a black source...BET
weekend
magazine...the article is entitled "the state of black music
innovators"...and
here's the list of the 15 people the chose...in order...LOL

1. prince (of course)
2 george clinton (the man)
3. dr. dre (my nigga)
4. george duke
5. missy elliot (he he how)
6. kirk franklin (whatever)
7. fugees (yeah)
8. berry gordy (why?)
9. jimmy and terry
10. quincy jones
11. wybton marsalis (true musician)
12. hugh msaskela
13. meshell ndegeocello
14. public enemy
15. bernice johnson reagon

LOL!!!!!! LOL!!!!!...ok, so what's the excuse now...LOL!!!!!!

maybe they should have a list of dancers...and media
abusers...LOL!!!!....and
hype creators...and marketing schemers.

[Pamela Russell]

sam0000,

Your point being???????When you started this irrelevant thread, I
assumed you had a goal to achieve.I think that you Have succeeded in
showing us that you are in LOVE with TAFKAP. You have NOT succeeded in
SWAYING any MJ fan's OPINION. When will YOU ALL ever learn?

Now that you have dug up another poll,maybe you can die happy with your
findings. I find it so PATHETIC that LOST souls have to come to a
Michael board and show their DESPERATION. I can not
even imagine doing THAT on a TAFKAP board even on my lonliest and most
boring day. I would never WASTE my PRECIOUS time even seeking out a
TAFKAP ng. Why would I when I DON"T care? You are SO sad.
Grow UP. Your time on this NG has been totally without merit.

sam the sham has no clue.....who gives a DAMN!!!

Pam

[Sam4174]

[KPACOTA]

What exactly are you trying to prove? what's your point? Do you want us to stop
being MJ's fans and convert to Prince fans because MJ wasn't on some stupid
list, and Prince was?

[Charlie Botero]

Pam,
The funny thing is-I went to Prince's ng and this "Sam" putz
doesn't even POST there!!! No one has ever HEARD of him!!! HAH HAH HAH!!
Whatta' pathetic loser!!! Just wanted to start trouble(which he
succeeded in).

Charlie

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The problem isn't that people don't recognize Prince worthiness..the problem is this is a MICHAEL JACKSON NEWSGROUP..SO WHO GIVES A FUCK WHAT PRINCE HAS DONE CAN DO WILL DO..SO THE FUCK WHAT!!!! THIS IS ABOUT MICHAEL JACKSON THE ONLY PRINCE THAT COUNTS IN THIS MICHAEL JACKSON NEWSGROUP IS PRINCE MICHAEL...SO BLAH BLAH ABOUT FUCKING TAFKAP THE ARTIST WHATEVA THE FUCK HE WANTS TO BE CALLED..THIS IS ALL ABOUT MICHAEL NOT PRINCE AND SURE AS HELL NOT SAM..WE DO NOT HAVE TO RECOGNIZE SHIT ABOUT PRINCE HERE..WHEN I FEEL LIKE SAYING SHIT ABOUT PRINCE I WILL GO TO HIS FUCKING NEWSGROUP...SOME OF YOU CAN HOLD YOU BREATH AND WAIT FOR THAT DAY...NOW CAN WE PLEASE END THIS SHIT...

 

 

 

K-DAY

 

[Joe_H...@hotmail.com]

Look what this stupid cum suking bitch writes and she
has a nerve to calls other peole sick. K-Gay is sicker
than the Jacko clan

In article <6lc6k2$5elc$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>,
"DefaultLESS" <MAJI...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> retarted, incest loving pedo!!! why don't you go ahead and bury

> your dead mother instead of using her rottening body for your pleasure..YOU
> ARE ONE SICK MOTHER FUCKER.. And stoop letting UseLes take turms on her
> rotten snatch!!over flowing with maggots

-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

[Joe_H...@hotmail.com]

In article <6lago4$j8$1...@newsd-112.bryant.webtv.net>,
invad...@webtv.net (your mama) wrote:
>
>
> That shit made me laugh harder then anything else

HOPE YOU DONT PEE YOUR PANTS BABY

>MJ farting better tunes in his sleep

AND YOU BE RIGH THERE WITH YER NOSE UP HIS ASS
WANTING TO SMELL THEM. YOU LIKE SMELLING JOES DICK?

[GCarras]

><HTML><PRE>Subject: LOL....
>From: sam...@aol.com (Sam4174)
>Date: Sat, Jun 6, 1998 20:48 EDT
>Message-id: <199806070048...@ladder03.news.aol.com>

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[GCarras]

Sorry,.snt the message without
replying!:(

Anyway,waht I wanted to say two black or African-American innovators are the
number one sellers on the charts (white and black) rtihght now Brandy and
Monica the
THE BOY IS MINE..ironcally,Michael jackosn and Pual Cartney hit many moons bakc
with the GIRL IS MINe.
(Of course Monica and Berady';s song SOUDNS like somethingMICHAEL JACKSON today
WISHED he';d have written,instead of the GIRL IS MINE! IMHO,of course.;)

[Charlie Botero]

Joe Allen,
I hope you had a nice wet dream about Joseph Jackson towning yer
fat-ass!!! HAH HAH HAH!!! Loser!!! Give it up!!!

Ya' dipshit assfuck,
Charlie

[Syed]

No matter what he says, he should realise that Michael Jackson is the
most wellknown person in the world compared to others on the list of
VH-1, even people in jugle of borneo will know Michael Jackson, probably
they won't know who is John F K. or Bill Clinton.

Tourniquet wrote:
->
-> So has he recieved a Grammy Living Legend award by now?
->
-> Tourniquet
->
-> Sam4174 <sam...@aol.com> wrote in article
-> <199806070048...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
->
-> hey, remember you said something something about no one cares what
all
-> those
-> white people think, in reference to prince being rated ahead of MJ by
more
-> than
-> 20 spots on the VH-1 list...well, here a list from a black
source...BET
-> weekend
-> magazine...the article is entitled "the state of black music
-> innovators"...and
-> here's the list of the 15 people the chose...in order...LOL
->
-> 1. prince (of course)
-> 2 george clinton (the man)
-> 3. dr. dre (my nigga)
-> 4. george duke
-> 5. missy elliot (he he how)
-> 6. kirk franklin (whatever)
-> 7. fugees (yeah)
-> 8. berry gordy (why?)
-> 9. jimmy and terry
-> 10. quincy jones
-> 11. wybton marsalis (true musician)
-> 12. hugh msaskela
-> 13. meshell ndegeocello
-> 14. public enemy
-> 15. bernice johnson reagon
->
-> LOL!!!!!! LOL!!!!!...ok, so what's the excuse now...LOL!!!!!!
->
-> maybe they should have a list of dancers...and media
-> abusers...LOL!!!!....and
-> hype creators...and marketing schemers.
->
-> penrose and hawking don't have a damned clue....they should just
admit it.
->
->
->
->

[Tourniquet]

By the way, did you know that "The Girl is Mine" actually did quite well?
It went to number five on the pop singles chart.

Tourniquet

GCarras <gca...@aol.com> wrote in article
<199806082237...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

><HTML><PRE>Subject: LOL....
>From: sam...@aol.com (Sam4174)
>Date: Sat, Jun 6, 1998 20:48 EDT
>Message-id: <199806070048...@ladder03.news.aol.com>
>
>

>hey, remember you said something something about no one cares what all

those

>white people think, in reference to prince being rated ahead of MJ by more

>than

>20 spots on the VH-1 list...well, here a list from a black source...BET

>weekend

>magazine...the article is entitled "the state of black music

>innovators"...and

>here's the list of the 15 people the chose...in order...LOL
>

>1. prince (of course)

>2 george clinton (the man)

>3. dr. dre (my nigga)

>4. george duke

>5. missy elliot (he he how)

>6. kirk franklin (whatever)
>7. fugees (yeah)
>8. berry gordy (why?)
>9. jimmy and terry
>10. quincy jones

>11. wybton marsalis (true musician)

>12. hugh msaskela
>13. meshell ndegeocello
>14. public enemy
>15. bernice johnson reagon
>

>LOL!!!!!! LOL!!!!!...ok, so what's the excuse now...LOL!!!!!!
>

>maybe they should have a list of dancers...and media

abusers...LOL!!!!....and
>hype creators...and marketing schemers.
>
>

>penrose and hawking don't have a damned clue....they should just admit it.
>
>
>
>
>
>

Sorry,.snt the message without

[your mama]

Are you retarded? You are saying that "The Boy is Mine" is better than
"The Girl is Mine"? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA AH!!! You go and tell ANYONE
in the music industry that Brandy, and Monica out did MICHAEL JACKSON,
and PAUL McCartney!!! HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
Then watch them laugh so hard they almost die!!
You are a PATHETIC! AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thanks for the laugh,
Mike

[DAninersD]

YOU PRINCE FANS ARE A BUNCH OF LOSERS. PLEASE DON'T COMPARE MJ WITH PRINCE,
BECAUSE THAT CONMPARISON WAS REALLY HYPED UP DURING THE 80'S. SHIT MAN I
REMEMBER THOSE GREAT OLD DAYS. IT KINDA SUCKED THAT MJ TOOK THE EDGE THEN AND
NOW, BECAUSE PRINCE HAD SOME GREAT SHIT BACK THEN. NOW IT SEEMS TO ME AS IF
PRINCE IS NOT CONCENTRATING ANYMORE. PRINCE HAS BEEN BASHING MJ FOR YEARS NOW,
AND ITS NOT WORTH IT BECAUSE NOBODY IS LISTENING. TELL ME WHAT PRINCE HAS THAT
CONROLLED THE MUSIC INDUSTRY THE WAY MJ HAS FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS.
FUCK THAT 2 BALL BUTT LICKER PRINCE FOR CANCELLING THAT CONCERT HERE IN
CALIFORNIA. I WANT MY 45 DOLLARS BACK. THAT FUCKIN ASSHOLE DIDN'T GIVE AN
EXCUSE.