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wEas3L

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Nov 10, 2002, 12:37:33 AM11/10/02
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i know i'm a bit older than most of you guys, but Jello was a *huge*
influence on my life and my beliefs. Some of you may know him from Lard.
Anyh00 - i got to interview him a few weeks ago and here it is if anyone is
a fan.

http://webpages.charter.net/cworkmfdm/jello.htm


Philip Hawthorne

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Nov 10, 2002, 1:01:08 AM11/10/02
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> i know i'm a bit older than most of you guys, but Jello was a *huge*
> influence on my life and my beliefs. Some of you may know him from Lard.

Who?

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Jerrrrrrrrrrrrrrad

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Nov 10, 2002, 1:07:54 AM11/10/02
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>> i know i'm a bit older than most of you guys, but Jello was a *huge*
>> influence on my life and my beliefs. Some of you may know him from Lard.
>
>Who?
>
>--
>Phil

::::::::DUNCE::::::::::::::::::::::::

damnit phil.
take a break from usenet for just one month and go and CULTURE YOURSELF. and
avoid african parades.


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Paul Y. and his... wait, no one cares.

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Nov 10, 2002, 1:15:23 AM11/10/02
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> >> i know i'm a bit older than most of you guys, but Jello was a *huge*
> >> influence on my life and my beliefs. Some of you may know him from
Lard.
> >
> >Who?
> >
> >--
> >Phil
>
> ::::::::DUNCE::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
> damnit phil.
> take a break from usenet for just one month and go and CULTURE YOURSELF.
and
> avoid african parades.

jello is amazingly funny. he is also one of the most important people ever.
phil needs to get out from under his rock (i.e., out of downstate NY) adn
LIVE.. or at least enjoy things that normal people care about.
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np: nothin'

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Josh Hammonds

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Nov 10, 2002, 1:23:23 AM11/10/02
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"Philip Hawthorne" <hawthorn...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > i know i'm a bit older than most of you guys, but Jello was a *huge*
> > influence on my life and my beliefs. Some of you may know him from
Lard.
>
> Who?

Singer for The Dead Kennedies, a very influential punk band of the early
80s. Also worked with Al Jourgenson of Ministry in a project called Lard.
Was a very vocal defender of free speech and the first amendment. Currently
does mostly spoken word tours and political stuff, though I heard he might
tour with Ministry next time around.

Josh Hammonds
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Philip Hawthorne

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Nov 10, 2002, 2:36:29 AM11/10/02
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> Singer for The Dead Kennedies, a very influential punk band of the early
> 80s. Also worked with Al Jourgenson of Ministry in a project called Lard.
> Was a very vocal defender of free speech and the first amendment.
Currently
> does mostly spoken word tours and political stuff, though I heard he might
> tour with Ministry next time around.

I always thought it was a type of Jello similar to Flan.

Jerrrrrrrrrrrrrrad

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Nov 10, 2002, 2:43:08 AM11/10/02
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>I always thought it was a type of Jello similar to Flan.
>

i have never partaken in this jolly flan of which you speak.
though, it does have my knickers in a twist, wanting some and not being able to
find it.

Jenn

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Nov 10, 2002, 3:01:18 AM11/10/02
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"wEas3L" <cwor...@SPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
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Thanks for posting this WEas3L! I loooooved DK in Jr. High and HS but I was
always so sad I'd never see them perform live. I went to one of Jello's
spoken words like 4 years ago, but I thought that was it. Luckily I heard
about Jello performing a show in Seattle in celebration of the WTO protests
a couple years ago. It wasn't promoted at all. I just had a friend who
worked at the club. It was one of the best shows ever. Jello, Krist
Novoselic, Kim Thayil and some chick I don't really know (Gina Mainwal?). I
was in heaven. =) I was rather dissappointed the rest of the band went on
tour last year w/o Jello. I do think that they were intentionally deceitful
about Jello not performing w/ them. Even though I would've loved to see
them since I love the music so much, I did my own little protest of not
going and telling everyone I knew that Jello wouldn't be there. =( Anyway,
enough reminiscing. Thanks!

-Jenn


Colin Baker XVII

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Nov 10, 2002, 11:41:07 PM11/10/02
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Damn, I didn't know he ran for president. I should have voted in the
primaries.


wEas3L

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Nov 11, 2002, 12:42:22 AM11/11/02
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Yeah i watched him and Nader speak on CSPAN. It was surreal. :)


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wEas3L

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Nov 11, 2002, 12:45:14 AM11/11/02
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:)

The best thing about it was i taped it and now have my own personalized
Jello spoken word tape.

i also asked him about Lard - it was a total non-sequitter so i didn't
transcribe it - but he said Al and Paul are too busy w/ the new Ministry
right now. He also said they almost toured once but had diffferent views
on ticket prices and lifestyles.


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Josh Hammonds

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Nov 11, 2002, 12:50:39 AM11/11/02
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"wEas3L" <cwor...@SPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
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> i also asked him about Lard - it was a total non-sequitter so i didn't
> transcribe it - but he said Al and Paul are too busy w/ the new Ministry
> right now. He also said they almost toured once but had diffferent views
> on ticket prices and lifestyles.

I'm hoping this'll maybe change now that Al & co. are (more or less) clean
and sober.

Colin Baker XVII

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Nov 11, 2002, 4:32:53 AM11/11/02
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"Josh Hammonds" <jos...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Currently
> does mostly spoken word tours and political stuff, though I heard he might
> tour with Ministry next time around.

If he does, then they MUST play LORAH. \m/ And Al needs to steal his fence
back from Fred Durst.

Of course, this tour probably won't happen for awhile. But when it does I
will be looking forward to seeing Chris Connelly in a dreadlock wig come out
to sing So What and Crackin' Up. Bill Rieflin and/or Marty Atkins need to
be there as well. Maybe Ogre too. This needs to be a repeat of the 1990
tour. And because of that, Sascha has to be the opening act, where he will
sing Murder all by himself. Well, Bill can help if he wants, so he can warm
up for his kick-snares to come later, and Morgan Adjei, if he really exists.
It needs to be 1990 again, or Psykosonik needs to make a comeback, because
they have to be there too.

Huh huh, that'd be cool. huh huh. huh huh.

I'll shut up now.


plussteveplus

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Nov 11, 2002, 5:44:40 AM11/11/02
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Colin Baker XVII <ba...@opendivx.cx> wrote in message
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>
> It needs to be 1990 again, or Psykosonik needs to make a comeback, because
> they have to be there too.
>
>

YES.. Psyksonik needs to make a comeback for sure.. but unfortunately, i
don't think that will ever happen. I actually emailed Daniel Lenz about 2
1/2 years ago (my senior year of high school.. i remember this, because i
had to ask him about using a song on a school project/contest) asking him
about the next Psyksonik album.. and he said that it was either a)being
worked on, or b)soon to be released.. i can't exactly remember which one..
but i'm pretty sure it was b. Anyway, not long after, Psykosonik "disbanded"
and Hednoize came out about a year later. (wasn't that Hednoize CD the last
release from WaxTrax!?) Now it seems Hednoize is done for, and Daniel has
another project titled "PsykoHed" at MP3.com (www.mp3.com/psykohed). I'd
really like to hear what that 3rd Psyksonik album would have sounded like
given the direction they seemed to be taking (the last released Psykosonik
song was "Panik Control" on the Mortal Kombat Annihilation soundtrack.. i
like it very much). As far as the other Psykosonik members, I have no idea
what they are up to.
I kinda hope some of the stuff from Daniel's PsykoHed gets released on CD.

-steve


jermaine dupris and/or papos

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Nov 11, 2002, 2:47:37 PM11/11/02
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<snip>

hey thanks for the link, jello biafra's a good man. I've seen him speak a few
times around here, it's quite a hoot...if you don't have time to keep up on
politics, just go see him speak for two hours and you've got enough good
points to win arguments against opposing views for the next eight
months...Once again people, please don't buy the re-releases of DK albums,
download or steal them instead.

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goatleg2

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Nov 11, 2002, 6:36:02 PM11/11/02
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In article <3DD0096E...@shoospamshoohotmail.com>, jermaine dupris and/or papos wrote:
>
><snip>
>
> hey thanks for the link, jello biafra's a good man. I've seen him speak a few
> times around here, it's quite a hoot...if you don't have time to keep up on
> politics, just go see him speak for two hours and you've got enough good
> points to win arguments against opposing views for the next eight
> months...Once again people, please don't buy the re-releases of DK albums,
> download or steal them instead.
>

i love DK fans, espically the ones who spraypaint "NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF"
on churches and carve "DK" into their hands

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Josh Hammonds

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Nov 11, 2002, 7:45:07 PM11/11/02
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"Colin Baker XVII" <ba...@opendivx.cx> wrote in message
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> If he does, then they MUST play LORAH. \m/ And Al needs to steal his
fence
> back from Fred Durst.

And stop producing albums for the guy.

> And because of that, Sascha has to be the opening act, where he will
> sing Murder all by himself.

And apparently make up half the lyrics on the spot.

> It needs to be 1990 again, or Psykosonik needs to make a comeback, because
> they have to be there too.

Yessssss!

wEas3L

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Nov 11, 2002, 8:04:41 PM11/11/02
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They are? Maybe the new Ministry won't suck then! w00t!


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jermaine dupris and/or papos

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Nov 12, 2002, 11:33:10 AM11/12/02
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goatleg2 wrote:

>
> i love DK fans, espically the ones who spraypaint "NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF"
> on churches and carve "DK" into their hand

i find it stupid that you make sideways comments and rash generalizations based on difference
of political views, tim.

there's stupid people everywhere, even on the internet. Dead Kennedys (well, Jello Biafra
anyway) has nothing to do with this shit.

Crudbreeder

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Nov 12, 2002, 2:14:54 PM11/12/02
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jermaine dupris and/or papos wrote:
>
> goatleg2 wrote:
>
> >
> > i love DK fans, espically the ones who spraypaint "NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF"
> > on churches and carve "DK" into their hand
>
> i find it stupid that you make sideways comments and rash generalizations based on difference
> of political views, tim.
>
> there's stupid people everywhere, even on the internet. Dead Kennedys (well, Jello Biafra
> anyway) has nothing to do with this shit.

Where did your sense of humor go?

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goatleg2

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Nov 12, 2002, 3:33:00 PM11/12/02
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In article <3DD1532E...@psynet.net>, Crudbreeder wrote:
> jermaine dupris and/or papos wrote:
>>
>> goatleg2 wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > i love DK fans, espically the ones who spraypaint "NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF"
>> > on churches and carve "DK" into their hand
>>
>> i find it stupid that you make sideways comments and rash generalizations based on difference
>> of political views, tim.
>>
>> there's stupid people everywhere, even on the internet. Dead Kennedys (well, Jello Biafra
>> anyway) has nothing to do with this shit.
>
> Where did your sense of humor go?
>

yeah, totally...

*historical note*
The first usenet "me too!" post was by someone known only as "Leroy"

Jim Nihil

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Nov 18, 2002, 12:12:30 AM11/18/02
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>Paul Y. and his... wait, no one cares. said:

>jello is amazingly funny. he is also one of the most important people ever.

....um.....he preaches pretty much what you would define as "LEFT WING RAGE
AGAINST THE MACHINE ANARCHY!!!!!
THINK FOR YOURSELF!!!" type stuff...alond the lines of Howard Zinn and Noam
Chompsky......but with a total hilarious edge.

Paul....How could you like someone like Jello ?????

I'm not mocking you....it just seriously doesnt make sense to me.
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And the angels wouldn't help you...
because they've all gone away- Laura Palmer...Twin Peaks:Fire Walk With Me

Paul Y.

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Nov 18, 2002, 12:28:27 AM11/18/02
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>>jello is amazingly funny. he is also one of the most important people ever.
>
>
> ....um.....he preaches pretty much what you would define as "LEFT WING RAGE
> AGAINST THE MACHINE ANARCHY!!!!!
> THINK FOR YOURSELF!!!" type stuff...alond the lines of Howard Zinn and Noam
> Chompsky......but with a total hilarious edge.
>
> Paul....How could you like someone like Jello ?????
>
> I'm not mocking you....it just seriously doesnt make sense to me.

it's because you're a presumptuous idiot, and jello is cool.

Jim Nihil

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Nov 18, 2002, 12:34:28 AM11/18/02
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>it's because you're a presumptuous idiot, and jello is cool.

You so blatantly speak out against everything that Jello stands for(ie.stuff
you would refer to as anti-corporate conspiracy theories and fighting "the
man"), so you are the obvious idiot here.
Either that...or you have never even heard the man speak.

....but yes...Jello is cool =)

Paul Y.

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Nov 18, 2002, 12:52:40 AM11/18/02
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Jim Nihil wrote:
>>it's because you're a presumptuous idiot, and jello is cool.
>
>
> You so blatantly speak out against everything that Jello stands for(ie.stuff
> you would refer to as anti-corporate conspiracy theories and fighting "the
> man"), so you are the obvious idiot here.
> Either that...or you have never even heard the man speak.
>
> ....but yes...Jello is cool =)

i stick by my previous assertion that you are an idiot. i think you're
grossly misinterpreting jello to fit your ultraleft conspiracy bullshit.

you are wasting my bandwidth. GET IN MY KILLFILE. again.

Paul Y.

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Nov 18, 2002, 1:29:59 AM11/18/02
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Jim Nihil wrote:
>>i stick by my previous assertion that you are an idiot. i think you're
>>grossly misinterpreting jello to fit your ultraleft conspiracy bullshit.
>>
>>you are wasting my bandwidth. GET IN MY KILLFILE. again.
>
>
> I win
>
> i love when you look like the fucking idiot and have nothing to back up
> anything you say.....
>
> you have to put me on killfile so i dont make you look like an ass
>
> ^^SLAP^^SLAP^^SLAP^^

ok, assclown,

havent backed up anything you've said or refuted anything i have. are
you fucking brain damaged? oh wait, you're a professional AOl user.

so, jello is in the green party. whoop-de-shit. at least he isnt as much
of a crackpot as any given libertarian.

you really suck at teh arguing. i mean, generally, if you try to argue a
point, you cite anything at all. you ahve not done that, or even
attempted to. how do you win?

i = win, you = troll.
--

np: Kool Keith - Operation Extortion

Jim Nihil

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Nov 18, 2002, 1:12:29 AM11/18/02
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>i stick by my previous assertion that you are an idiot. i think you're
>grossly misinterpreting jello to fit your ultraleft conspiracy bullshit.
>
>you are wasting my bandwidth. GET IN MY KILLFILE. again.

I win

i love when you look like the fucking idiot and have nothing to back up
anything you say.....

you have to put me on killfile so i dont make you look like an ass

^^SLAP^^SLAP^^SLAP^^

Royce

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Nov 18, 2002, 1:14:07 PM11/18/02
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On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 01:29:59 -0500, "Paul Y." <e23...@yahoo.com> bla,
bla, bla:

<Snip>


>oh wait, you're a professional AOl user.

<Snip>

:-D

Royce
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Jerrrrrrrrrrrrrrad

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Nov 18, 2002, 1:50:18 PM11/18/02
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<snip>

it's true.

Paul Y.

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Nov 18, 2002, 2:49:17 PM11/18/02
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> <Snip>
>
>>oh wait, you're a professional AOl user.
>
> <Snip>
>
> :-D

hahaha i love me
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np: nothin'

Paul Y.

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Nov 18, 2002, 7:18:53 PM11/18/02
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Jim Nihil is a tool:
> fucking hypocritical fuck

uh, yeah, ok. faggot.

i was like you once - angry and stupid... then, i finished high school
and stopped using aol. grow the fuck up.

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np: nothin'

Paul Y.

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Nov 18, 2002, 7:26:06 PM11/18/02
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Jim Nihil wrote:
>>i was like you once - angry and stupid... then, i finished high school
>>and stopped using aol. grow the fuck up.
>
>
> all you have is the AOL shit....

why? because you typify high school aol users?

> how about Jello?
>
> Jello is left and you still like him face it....

i'm plenty left... i am literally a card carrying libertarian. i am just
more realistic than you.
all you keep saying is that im not good enough to like jello because i
grew up, moved out of my parents basement and have sensible beliefs.

> been out of highschool since 96 you fuck

fucking act like it, asshat

Jim Nihil

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>so, jello is in the green party. whoop-de-shit. at least he isnt as much
> of a crackpot as any given libertarian.
>
>you really suck at teh arguing. i mean, generally, if you try to argue a
>point, you cite anything at all. you ahve not done that, or even
>attempted to. how do you win?

Read this whole fucking quote all the way to the last line.....


"They all think that they have the truth, they'll set you free... they want
money to set you free, free for fee! They all think they have the answers, they
don't even know the questions...they're just a bunch of liars, they just want
your money, they just want your conciousness!"
--Jello Biafra

Ever try reading the bill of rights to a cop?-Jello Biafra


I don't see why people are so upset about cloning sheep. American television
networks have been doing that to their audiences for years. -Jello Biafra

If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal anyway.
-Jello Biafra, Dead Kennedys

Overthrowing the rich is not only necissary, its also a hell of a lot of fun.
-Jello Biafra, Dead Kennedys

If you love god, burn a church
[Jello Biafra]

JELLO BIAFRA:"......I think punk is moving away from causes, except for two
things: the punk scene as a cocoon where you hide from reality, and making
money. I think they could stand to move much closer to things like
environmental causes. I don't think it's too hippie to want to clean up the
planet so you don't wind up dying of some kind of cancer when you're 45 years
old. It enrages me that these big cancer-research organizations can't be
bothered to man the front lines of environmental protest. If you clean up the
pollution that causes the cancer, maybe you won't need some magic cure after
all. Of course, the corporations would much prefer to pour millions into trying
to find a magic cure so they can then force their workers into even worse
conditions than they already have, and not worry about making them all sick.
There's even been open pipe-dreaming among corporate executives allowing
themselves to be quoted in commercial pulp-fiction like Newsweek, saying that
they're almost to the point where they think they can require some kind of
genetic alteration or DNA work to be done on prospective workers so they don't
have to clean up the damn factories. First the lie detector, then the drug
test, now this. My latest spoken-word thing, Beyond The Valley Of The Gift
Police, breaks some new ground for me in that I'm trying to offer some
solutions to the stuff I complain about, as well as looking under rocks to show
people why they should really be worried. Forget O.J. and whether Green Day
sold out when they signed on to Reprise; this stuff is really important, and
it's affecting your lives. Arguing about what is and is not punk is not gonna
feed the homeless person starving outside your front door. Get a hold of that
one. There are two solution pieces in there. Both of them at times borrow
liberally from my mayoral campaign platform, but again, there's the wiseass
solutions and others that are dead serious. For example, the California Green
Party had a great idea about enacting a maximum wage. You have a minimum wage;
why not a maximum wage? Once a person starts getting really, really rich, it's
like a narcotic. The most dangerous drug in America, much worse than crack, is
money. Once people have it, they start getting obsessed with making more and
more and more money, and they become much more predatory and uncaring toward
all those people they're screwing by accumulating so much wealth and property
while other people go homeless. People whine about balancing the budget. Why
not just cut everybody off after a hundred grand? There'd probably be enough
money left over to bring all the poor up to the level of having a hundred grand
just to see what they'd do with it. Unlike right-wing pop culture today, I'm
all in favor of more taxes, especially on rich people, and also in favor of
more welfare. I've been to enough other countries in the world to know what
happens when you have socialized single-payer health care. It works. People
don't get sick as much. They don't lose their life savings with a catastrophic
illness like cancer or AIDS. But here, some people are scared to see a doctor
'cause they'll either lose their shirt or they'll lose their home 'cause
they'll get deported back to Mexico 'cause their skin's the wrong color or
something. Now there's actually cholera in this country again. There's reports
of cholera all up and down the Texas/Mexico borders, especially in El Paso and
Brownsville. There's tuberculosis sprouting up again in San Francisco, Los
Angeles, New York and other places. You'd expect this sort of thing to happen
in Calcutta, but corporations and rich people are all too eager to let America
turn into Calcutta if they can squeeze a few more dollars out of it to go blow
on Wall Street. I think one thing people need to start working on is a
self-help organization called Democrats Anonymous for people who still think
there really is an alternative in a Mexico-style one-party state, which in
America's case masquerades as a two-party state. People could all go to meeting
halls and get up sheepishly before a podium and say, "Hi, I'm so-and-so, I'm a
Democrat. But now I've learned, and I've weaned myself from being lied to again
and again and again by Nixonian corporate puppets like the Hill-Billarys and
their religious-right trojan-horse friends the Gores." What puts the
spinelessness of Clinton in its place is, here he is getting bashed up and down
over a non-scandal like Whitewater when the Hill-Billarys losing 60 grand is a
drop in the bucket compared to George Bush's own kids making off with over a
hundred million bucks and not going to jail. If you really want to turn the
tables on Whitewater, why not start prosecuting all those savings-and-loan
crips who got away with murder in the Reagan-Bush era? We're still paying
thousands of dollars apiece in taxes to bail out those assholes, when they
should be locked up. You sure have to dig deep to find the good guys in this
day and age, don't you? Umm... It was interesting that Ralph Nader ran for
president, but I think he should have openly campaigned more, or at least run
some op-ed pieces and some ads. I'm sure they could have raised the money to do
that. What good are a bunch of decent new ideas when you don't really tell
anybody about them? I like Michael Moore, and believe it or not, this long
after "California Uber Alles," I think there's some good ideas that have come
out of Jerry Brown. I have very mixed feelings about Jesse Jackson. He's very
good about labor, and human and civil rights issues, but not so good on
cultural issues. He's been as anti-rock music as any of the Tipper Gore types.
He characterized it as child abuse in his 1988 campaign, all because he took
his kids to see Funkadelic and the singer told the audience to light up joints.
That was a reactionary response, but keep in mind that for the many good things
Jackson says, he's also a reactionary preacher. I think Noam Chomsky is a
national treasure—make that an international treasure. Did I mention Michael
Moore already? Resistance should be fun. Resistance isn't some pain in the ass;
it's great fun. It's not just good for the soul, and uplifting spiritually; it
can also be a great kick in the ass. Remember how much fun you had shooting
spitwads at the teacher in seventh grade? Imagine applying that kind of
attitude to actually fucking with Mitsubishi! A more mature, sophisticated
version of that spirit was probably the driving force of my campaign for mayor,
and now several other people's too. One friend of mine, Richard Hunter, who
played in Killbilly and Trial By Jury, ran for mayor of Fort Worth, Texas, and
for several weeks up until the actual voting, he was running second in the
polls. The powers that be began to get a little alarmed. Ultimately, a
family-values stealth candidate who used the Pat Robertson tactic of only
speaking in churches, etc., finished ahead of him, as did a veteran black woman
activist who had offered to endorse Richard if he came in second and there was
a run-off. He's got enough of a name for himself now that he might get on the
Fort Worth city council should he choose to use his newfound clout and
momentum. I'd recommend running for office, or something on some level. You can
[hear] a lot more about this by listening to the story of my San Francisco
mayoral campaign off my album [I Blow Minds For A Living]. I tend to get
absorbed in wherever I am. I didn't get much of it in Chicago 'cause I was
mostly in the studio working on Lard, but I got out a lot more in Austin when I
was working on the album with Mojo [Nixon]. For about a year, Vancouver was a
second home—there's always been a big Alternative Tentacles/Vancouver
connection, cause of DOA, Subhumans, NoMeansNo and Facepuller. I just tend to
pick up on wherever I'm at. I start reading local publications, asking people
what's up and making my own observations, bouncing 'em off other people, having
fun. Sometimes the result is a pretty warped album. With that Mojo Nixon thing,
the problem was that Mojo's fans fled in horror when my name was on the record,
and my people fled in horror when Mojo's name was on the record. Especially
after people like Maximumrocknroll caught wind of my attacks on conservative
punks on that album in "Nostalgia For An Age That Never Existed" and "Buy My
Snake Oil," among others. It was extreme ignorance and lack of curiosity. I
love torpedoing the illusions of people who think punk should be some cocoon of
a scene where you can argue over bullshit and non-issues like Green Day and
Rancid as a way of avoiding the real world. You can argue about whether
Offspring sold out when they signed to Sony until you're blue in the face, but
that ain't gonna feed the homeless person outside your front door. Or did I
already say that?."

Tell me i didn't just back up the fact that Jello is a pretty fucking left
wing?

You probably agree with all the shit he said....just for the fact that he IS
Jello Biafra.....and "it's cool" to like Jello.
If someone else said these things you'd bash them and call them idiots.

fucking hypocritical fuck

^^SLAP^^SLAP^^SLAP^^
===================================
Jim Nihil
[http://www.syrynge.8m.com]

------------------------------------------------------
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day; Give him a religion, and
he'll starve to death while praying for a fish

Jim Nihil

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Nov 18, 2002, 7:21:37 PM11/18/02
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>i was like you once - angry and stupid... then, i finished high school
>and stopped using aol. grow the fuck up.

all you have is the AOL shit....

how about Jello?

Jello is left and you still like him face it....

been out of highschool since 96 you fuck

Jim Nihil

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Nov 18, 2002, 7:22:44 PM11/18/02
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>i was like you once - angry and stupid... then, i finished high school
>and stopped using aol. grow the fuck up.

I'm glad i've never been like you-narrow minded and unable to back up an
argument without one liners....grow the fuck up and shut the fuck up asshole

goatleg2

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Nov 18, 2002, 8:33:14 PM11/18/02
to
In article <20021118192137...@mb-fy.aol.com>, Jim Nihil wrote:
>
> been out of highschool since 96 you fuck
>===================================

did you drop out becuase you couldn't pass Remedial Science 101A?

hurhur

Jim Nihil

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Nov 18, 2002, 8:45:55 PM11/18/02
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>> Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day; Give him a religion, and
>> he'll starve to death while praying for a fish
>
>this is the most retarded quote i've ever seen

Thought you'd probably say that ......

goatleg2

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Nov 18, 2002, 8:28:28 PM11/18/02
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In article <20021118191454...@mb-fy.aol.com>, Jim Nihil wrote:
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day; Give him a religion, and
> he'll starve to death while praying for a fish

this is the most retarded quote i've ever seen

--

Jim Nihil

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Nov 18, 2002, 7:37:10 PM11/18/02
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>i'm plenty left... i am literally a card carrying libertarian. i am just
>more realistic than you.
>all you keep saying is that im not good enough to like jello because i
>grew up, moved out of my parents basement and have sensible beliefs.

well than act like it asshole......
fucking stupid 133t15t b1tch

how the fuck are you "more realistic than me"?......

^^SLAP^^SLAP^^SLAP^^

>why? because you typify high school aol users?

You talk about growing up and not acting like you're in highschool....but yet
you are the one who is always trying to start immature shit with
people......without backing yourself up....and then tell me i'm not backing
myself up...and then etc....stupid shit.
Can't fight with the retarded.
just boring rhetorical bullshit circles....non productive(unless you consider
looking like a wannabe 133t15t m0Žon productive?)

^^SLAP^^SLAP^^SLAP^^

fuck you i'm done


===================================
Jim Nihil
[http://www.syrynge.8m.com]

amaro jackhammer

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Nov 18, 2002, 10:22:11 PM11/18/02
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In article <slrnatj5kt.1e9.x23x...@g0atbook.attbi.com>,
how...@browncow.com wrote:

> libratarians want:
>
> drugs = legal (all accessable)
> private arms = illegal (totally illegal in all ways)

Give http://www.lp.org/issues/gun-rights.html a good read before
speaking out of your anus.

> Although, while growing up in Communist Germany, I believe there was a
> law that an adult must serve at least a month of required military duty.
> (note that this is work for the military, not grunt work, which is
> optional). I don't know if this is still current, although my brother
> Kimra did do some work for the service for a month when he was 18, i'm
> not sure if this was required.

You should read up on dead countries you've never visited before
speaking out of your anus.

--
- scott.
"i had half of a slinky... but i straightened it."
http://www.mile329.org/

goatleg2

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Nov 18, 2002, 10:31:39 PM11/18/02
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In article <clarence-A9BFE1...@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com>, amaro jackhammer wrote:
> In article <slrnatj5kt.1e9.x23x...@g0atbook.attbi.com>,
> how...@browncow.com wrote:
>
>> libratarians want:
>>
>> drugs = legal (all accessable)
>> private arms = illegal (totally illegal in all ways)
>
> Give http://www.lp.org/issues/gun-rights.html a good read before
> speaking out of your anus.
>

taken for ESR's faq
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/libertarianism.html


>> Although, while growing up in Communist Germany, I believe there was a
>> law that an adult must serve at least a month of required military duty.
>> (note that this is work for the military, not grunt work, which is
>> optional). I don't know if this is still current, although my brother
>> Kimra did do some work for the service for a month when he was 18, i'm
>> not sure if this was required.
>
> You should read up on dead countries you've never visited before
> speaking out of your anus.
>

I think you should lay the fuck off me with this bullshit before you speak out
of your rectum

goatleg2

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Nov 18, 2002, 8:41:01 PM11/18/02
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In article <arc0eu$gkple$3...@ID-59433.news.dfncis.de>, Paul Y. wrote:
>
> i'm plenty left... i am literally a card carrying libertarian. i am just
> more realistic than you.

libratarianism is lame. Legalizing drugs and banning all guns is NOT
going to make a better country.

Consider:

Drugs now = illegal (with some permitted by order)
Private arms = legal (with permit)


libratarians want:

drugs = legal (all accessable)
private arms = illegal (totally illegal in all ways)


Hmm... currently the US has alot of problems with illegal smuggling of
drugs, drug user, drug dealing, etc.

Who says the same won't happen with firearms?


Libratarians also argue that the draft law is "slavery" some how to.

Although, while growing up in Communist Germany, I believe there was a
law that an adult must serve at least a month of required military duty.
(note that this is work for the military, not grunt work, which is
optional). I don't know if this is still current, although my brother Kimra did do some work for the service for a month when he was 18, i'm not sure if this was required.

--

amaro jackhammer

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Nov 18, 2002, 10:49:45 PM11/18/02
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"B3. What is the libertarian position on gun control? Consistently
opposed. "

"Opposition to gun control" sort of sounds like the opposite of
"criminalization of private arms ownership" to me... maybe you're
reading it incorrectly? Oh yeah, that's right, you're ESL. HEHEH.

> > In article <slrnatj5kt.1e9.x23x...@g0atbook.attbi.com>,
> > how...@browncow.com wrote:
> >
> >> libratarians want:
> >>
> >> drugs = legal (all accessable)
> >> private arms = illegal (totally illegal in all ways)

--

Jim Nihil

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Nov 18, 2002, 8:45:00 PM11/18/02
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>did you drop out becuase you couldn't pass Remedial Science 101A?

no....i dropped out because i was GOTHIC and i was to mopey to attend....hahaha

Jerrrrrrrrrrrrrrad

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Nov 18, 2002, 10:48:53 PM11/18/02
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>I think you should lay the fuck off me with this bullshit before you speak
>out
>of your rectum
>

loki, scott is much more believable than you. and i NEVER speak with him. mr.
mysterious assfaggot.

Melissa

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Nov 19, 2002, 1:15:25 AM11/19/02
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"Jim Nihil" <nihili...@aol.communism> wrote in message
news:20021118204500...@mb-fy.aol.com...

I didn't think that was funny. :)


--
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silly name papos

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Nov 19, 2002, 1:42:27 AM11/19/02
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goatleg2 wrote:

>
>
> drugs = legal (all accessable)
> private arms = illegal (totally illegal in all ways)

this is not true. libertarians believe in the right to bear arms. this is one of the reasons I'm not registered libertarian. I believe in strict gun control.

>
>
> Hmm... currently the US has alot of problems with illegal smuggling of
> drugs, drug user, drug dealing, etc.

drugs, drug users and drug dealers are all over the world. The US has a bigger problem with funding third world dictators in south america, killing peasants in Columbia with
their drug war certified agent orange anti-coca pesticides and locking up people (not to mention wasting tax money) for victimless drug offenses. these are the real drug
problems.

>
> Libratarians also argue that the draft law is "slavery" some how to.

it may not be slavery, but forcing someone to fight your war is not a definition of freedom.

--
"I have an opinion. I used to work at Wax Trax." - josh laverne


Paul Y.

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Nov 19, 2002, 1:48:01 AM11/19/02
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>>drugs = legal (all accessable)
>>private arms = illegal (totally illegal in all ways)
>
> this is not true. libertarians believe in the right to bear arms. this is one of the reasons I'm not registered libertarian. I believe in strict gun control.

libertarians also tend to be crackpots. i have a card, but like i've
said before in this thread, i prefer to keep a realistic view of things.
not everyone needs a gun, or free access to smack.

>>Hmm... currently the US has alot of problems with illegal smuggling of
>>drugs, drug user, drug dealing, etc.
>
> drugs, drug users and drug dealers are all over the world. The US has a bigger problem with funding third world dictators in south america, killing peasants in Columbia with
> their drug war certified agent orange anti-coca pesticides and locking up people (not to mention wasting tax money) for victimless drug offenses. these are the real drug
> problems.

i wrote a paper for school about how in(s)ane the "war on drugs" is
(btw, republicans, drugs won years ago). that money could be better spent.

>>Libratarians also argue that the draft law is "slavery" some how to.
>
> it may not be slavery, but forcing someone to fight your war is not a definition of freedom.

damn straight
--

np: Frank Zappa - Willie the Pimp

silly name papos

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Nov 19, 2002, 2:01:38 AM11/19/02
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Jerrrrrrrrrrrrrrad wrote:

>
> loki, scott is much more believable than you.

agreed. I'm sick of goatleg's opinions-as-facts techniques, especially when
99.5% is downright idiotic. Phil Hawthorne's philosophies and mysogynism or
goatleg's mythomanic drivel are two of the reasons I hardly post anymore to
amm/k. I mean, Erik Pemberton may have been an asshole, but at least his posts
were thought out and stimulated discussion. Remember the proverb "arguing on the
internet is like running in the special olympics...even if you win, you're still
retarded." This applies here.

Jerrrrrrrrrrrrrrad

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Nov 19, 2002, 3:23:40 AM11/19/02
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>(not to mention wasting tax money) for victimless drug offenses. these are
>the real drug
>problems.

there is no victimless drug offense, you FUCKING MORON. drugs kill the good in
people, and tear apart families and peoples' lives. but you're a nihilist. just
because you think it sounds cool. you are the stupidest person alive. i need
your posts like i need a shotgun blast to the face.

Workbreeder

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Nov 19, 2002, 3:41:07 AM11/19/02
to
Melissa wrote:
>
> "Jim Nihil" <nihili...@aol.communism> wrote in message
> news:20021118204500...@mb-fy.aol.com...
> > >did you drop out becuase you couldn't pass Remedial Science 101A?
> >
> > no....i dropped out because i was GOTHIC and i was to mopey to
> attend....hahaha
> > ===================================
> > Jim Nihil
> > [http://www.syrynge.8m.com]
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day; Give him a religion, and
> > he'll starve to death while praying for a fish
>
> I didn't think that was funny. :)

Meh, Goths don't have _any_ humor :p

Workbreeder

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Nov 19, 2002, 3:39:16 AM11/19/02
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"Paul Y." wrote:
>
> Jim Nihil is a tool:
> > fucking hypocritical fuck
>
> uh, yeah, ok. faggot.
>
> i was like you once - angry and stupid... then, i finished high school
> and stopped using aol. grow the fuck up.

And now you're only angry?

drederick tatum

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Nov 19, 2002, 3:39:45 AM11/19/02
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Jerrrrrrrrrrrrrrad wrote:

> >(not to mention wasting tax money) for victimless drug offenses. these are
> >the real drug
> >problems.
>
> there is no victimless drug offense, you FUCKING MORON. drugs kill the good in
> people, and tear apart families and peoples' lives.

yes there are victimless drug offenses, like a group of consenting adults smoking
marijuana in order to relax after work...there are far worse legal drugs, names
which i will not mention.

> but you're a nihilist. just
> because you think it sounds cool.

at least i don't lie about my musical output.

--
----------------------
| space for rent |
----------------------
"the boy is addicted, and can suck the chrome off a tail hitch." - zach weldon
"no matter what Akai does - You'll never be able to look at porn on an MPC" -
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Jerrrrrrrrrrrrrrad

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Nov 19, 2002, 4:04:57 AM11/19/02
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>yes there are victimless drug offenses, like a group of consenting adults
>smoking
>marijuana in order to relax after work...

i retract my statement.
i don't think marijuana should be illegal, still, even after everything i've
gone through with that hideous plant.
i still believe it to be the gateway drug. it led me into harder things, of
which you know.

>at least i don't lie about my musical output.

i loves your music.

plussteveplus

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Nov 19, 2002, 4:10:04 AM11/19/02
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goatleg2 <x23x-1987WT...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:slrnatj569.1e9.x23x...@g0atbook.attbi.com...

>
> did you drop out becuase you couldn't pass Remedial Science 101A?
>
> hurhur
>

your high school had "101" classes?


plussteveplus

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Nov 19, 2002, 4:19:31 AM11/19/02
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Jim Nihil <nihili...@aol.communism> wrote in message
news:20021118193710...@mb-fy.aol.com...

> >i'm plenty left... i am literally a card carrying libertarian. i am just
> >more realistic than you.
> >all you keep saying is that im not good enough to like jello because i
> >grew up, moved out of my parents basement and have sensible beliefs.
>
> well than act like it asshole......
> fucking stupid 133t15t b1tch
>
> how the fuck are you "more realistic than me"?......
>
> ^^SLAP^^SLAP^^SLAP^^
>
> >why? because you typify high school aol users?
>
> You talk about growing up and not acting like you're in highschool....but
yet
> you are the one who is always trying to start immature shit with
> people......without backing yourself up....and then tell me i'm not
backing
> myself up...and then etc....stupid shit.
> Can't fight with the retarded.
> just boring rhetorical bullshit circles....non productive(unless you
consider
> looking like a wannabe 133t15t m0Žon productive?)
>
> ^^SLAP^^SLAP^^SLAP^^
>
> fuck you i'm done


YES, thank you thank you thank you. I'm glad someone else speaks up, too.
Paul is one of the most immature people here, right along with Jerrad and
Joanna. Realistic? Sensible beliefs? I haven't heard so much bullshit in a
long time.

-steve

plussteveplus

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Nov 19, 2002, 4:21:33 AM11/19/02
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Workbreeder <crudbree...@psynet.net> wrote in message
news:3DD9F8B4...@psynet.net...

well, he never said he stopped being angry and stupid. just because he "was"
doesn't mean he isn't still.


Workbreeder

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Nov 19, 2002, 4:30:59 AM11/19/02
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Just like you still are an annoying whiner?

plussteveplus

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Nov 19, 2002, 6:17:47 AM11/19/02
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Workbreeder <crudbree...@psynet.net> wrote in message
news:3DDA04D3...@psynet.net...

>
> Just like you still are an annoying whiner?

uh, ok... am i really? what have i whined about?


Workbreeder

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Nov 19, 2002, 6:19:05 AM11/19/02
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just about anything?

goatleg2

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Nov 19, 2002, 8:52:29 AM11/19/02
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that was a Simpson's quote, well, sort of

The Ur-Vile

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Nov 19, 2002, 10:08:54 AM11/19/02
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silly name papos <pap...@BIGhotBULGINGmail.com> wrote in message news:<3DD9CEF8...@BIGhotBULGINGmail.com>...

> goatleg2 wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > drugs = legal (all accessable)
> > private arms = illegal (totally illegal in all ways)
>
> this is not true. libertarians believe in the right to bear arms. this is one of the reasons I'm not registered libertarian. I believe in strict gun control.
>

What is your definition of strict?

Paul Y.

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Nov 19, 2002, 10:27:33 AM11/19/02
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>>>did you drop out becuase you couldn't pass Remedial Science 101A?
>>>
>>>hurhur
>>
>>your high school had "101" classes?
>>
> that was a Simpson's quote, well, sort of

obviously, steve is a better person because he doesn't "get it"
--

np: nothin'

Paul Y.

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Nov 19, 2002, 10:29:38 AM11/19/02
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>>>Just like you still are an annoying whiner?
>>
>>uh, ok... am i really? what have i whined about?
>
>
> just about anything?

i <3 crudbreeder

steve, all you fucking do is complain about how everyone picks on you.
if its that fucking bad, go away.

i dont think i'm angry so much as bitter. there was a day, before jim
and steve and phil started posting, that i actually found these groups
entertaining in a good way.

Paul Y.

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Nov 19, 2002, 10:35:47 AM11/19/02
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wait until you grow up and have to find a Real Job and actually function
in society, if you ever plan on doing that. before you ask if i have,
in 6 months, i am going ot have a BS in biology. if anyone else had been
elected president 2 years ago, i wouldnt worry about this so much, but
frankly, im scared shitless about whether or not i can actually use my
degree when im done. i could go on right to grad school and get my phd,
but i dont feel like writing a book yet... in the meantime, i'm more
concerned about relevant things, like paying my bills and whether i'll
have health insurance next summer. its funny how your beliefs change
when you get to this point.

i suggest you all stop trying to sound like idealistic 15 year old
hippies, or just stop fucking posting here.

Jerrrrrrrrrrrrrrad

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Nov 19, 2002, 11:43:32 AM11/19/02
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>> Paul is one of the most immature people here, right along with Jerrad and
>> Joanna. Realistic? Sensible beliefs? I haven't heard so much bullshit in a
>> long time.

yuo = 0 basis
you don't know us beyond what we write in this newsgroup. i hope your period
comes soon.

Skoooter's snowplow

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Nov 19, 2002, 12:40:57 PM11/19/02
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>
>
> YES, thank you thank you thank you. I'm glad someone else speaks up, too.
> Paul is one of the most immature people here, right along with Jerrad and
> Joanna. Realistic? Sensible beliefs? I haven't heard so much bullshit in a
> long time.
>

welcome to amm, the bs ng!

-----
Skooter's Snowplow


Josh Hammonds

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Nov 19, 2002, 12:08:01 PM11/19/02
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"silly name papos" <pap...@BIGhotBULGINGmail.com> wrote in message
news:3DD9D376...@BIGhotBULGINGmail.com...

> Erik Pemberton may have been an asshole, but at least his posts
> were thought out and stimulated discussion

...about how he was stalking that one girl.

Josh Hammonds
---
jos...@aol.com
><]]]*>
Rivethead Extraordinaire
"When I grow up, I want to be a Transformer."


Paul Y.

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Nov 19, 2002, 1:26:51 PM11/19/02
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>>Erik Pemberton may have been an asshole, but at least his posts
>>were thought out and stimulated discussion
>
> ...about how he was stalking that one girl.

yeah, that never helped his claim to being the superior human being he
claimed to be. erik was low on dignitude.

Paul Y.

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Nov 19, 2002, 1:28:13 PM11/19/02
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well, thank god you're back. maybe you can teach us how to all be the
great KMFDM fan you are!

Josh Hammonds

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Nov 19, 2002, 3:07:20 PM11/19/02
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"Paul Y." <e23...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ardvpb$hvgjn$4...@ID-59433.news.dfncis.de...

> >>Erik Pemberton may have been an asshole, but at least his posts
> >>were thought out and stimulated discussion
> >
> > ...about how he was stalking that one girl.
>
> yeah, that never helped his claim to being the superior human being he
> claimed to be. erik was low on dignitude.

He always struck me as the type of guy who thinks that being an obnoxious
jackass is "wacky".

plussteveplus

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Nov 19, 2002, 4:33:37 PM11/19/02
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Workbreeder <crudbree...@psynet.net> wrote in message
news:3DDA1E29...@psynet.net...


ok...


se7en veils

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Nov 19, 2002, 8:07:28 PM11/19/02
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On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:29:38 -0500, "Paul Y." <e23...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>i dont think i'm angry so much as bitter. there was a day, before jim
>and steve and phil started posting, that i actually found these groups
>entertaining in a good way.

no. you're angry. bitch.


coolio is on tv, bwahahahaha.


so step right up and ride the rubber road to freedom......

Joanna the whale penis

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Nov 19, 2002, 9:08:31 PM11/19/02
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>
>no. you're angry. bitch.

paul's so angry, he could pass for a Michigan resident.
Paul, cmon over. I'll get the labatts.

.joanna *EXCUSE ANY TYPING ERRORS. I HAVE POTATO HANDS. THX*
[Ministress of unrelated stories.]
(honk if you <3 whale penis)
http://www.livejournal.com/users/whalepenis
--
"Damn, Joanna needs to live in Taxachusetts." - Josh Hammonds

Jim Nihil

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Nov 20, 2002, 3:48:51 PM11/20/02
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>>(not to mention wasting tax money) for victimless drug offenses. these are
>>the real drug
>>problems.

> but you're a nihilist. just


>because you think it sounds cool.

Jerrad.....I'm not the one who posted this shit......

BTW....i'm a nihilist because one day i found out that's the term that sums up
my non-belief better than anything.

Jim Nihil

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Nov 20, 2002, 4:17:25 PM11/20/02
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>wait until you grow up and have to find a Real Job and actually function
>in society, if you ever plan on doing that. before you ask if i have,
>in 6 months, i am going ot have a BS in biology....blah blah blah ...self
congratulatory bullshit etc.....</SNIP>

You don't know me. You don't know anything about me or what i do or what i'm
going to school for.....and i'm not going to sink to your fucking idiotic "i
take THIS in school so im BETTER AND MORE REALISTIC THAN YOU!" type
psuedo-macho bullshit.

You want to know realistic?......
The situation we are placed in from birth sucks and there's nothing we can do
about it because the rest of humanity is too selfish and stupid to ever make
any REAL progress to the quality of life...(think about it....Bush DID get
elected...there is NO hope for the masses....especially with the "homeland
security bill" having just passed)
But does that stop me from TRYING to achieve what i personally want to achieve
and trying to be happy.
....of course not.

That is the reality i live in.


>i suggest you all stop trying to sound like idealistic 15 year old
>hippies, or just stop fucking posting here.

You're the one who just bitched about the president and being scared about
finding a position to use your degree........
and bitching about bills and health insurance.......
Arent you aware that pretty much all of my dissenting opinions have to do with
the fact that we are FORCED to pay an unreasonable portion of our taxes to
assholes who do nothing at all.......if we had that money.....it'd be easier to
pay our bills and get health insurance.
It's funny how you claim to be "leftist" and all that bullshit when it seems
everytime someone has ANY kind of dissenting opinion toward the current
system.....
you sound pretty damn republican to me......

Whenever you post i smell some hypocritical bullshit.

Jerrrrrrrrrrrrrrad

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Nov 20, 2002, 5:32:16 PM11/20/02
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>Jerrad.....I'm not the one who posted this shit......

i'm sorry then, mr. n.
i'm riding a drug wave and it fucking sucks.
sorry.

silly name papos

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Nov 20, 2002, 6:07:56 PM11/20/02
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Jim Nihil wrote:

> think about it....Bush DID get
> elected...

that is, if elected is synonymous to "instituted by a small group of people
sharing his interests", then yes...

>
>
> we are FORCED to pay an unreasonable portion of our taxes to
> assholes who do nothing at all.......

When put to good use, taxes help out the community and build all the things you
take for granted. The public library I go to to use the net when my cable modem is
down is funded by taxes. The college education I'm getting is partially brought by
taxes. if my family were to suddenly go bankrupt and need third party monetary
support, I'd like to be assured that tax money and programs such as welfare could
provide the basic necessities of life for a certain amount of time.

what would it be like if everything was funded privately? The libraries could
charge fees for internet use and book checkout, school systems would not only
teach *only* what is of interest to the parent companies which own them, but would
charge exorbitant fees for this, and upon financial mishaps, we would resort to
being in debt to banks through gargantuan loans...

the problem with taxes is not the taxes themselves, it's how they're administered.
It's no secret that bush co. uses "tax breaks for every american" to gain
popularity, because in essence, it's a bribe...people like money, they're thinking
"this guy's giving us something we need!" of course, this happens *every* year to
big corporations who could generate a healthy sum for community help...

I'm all for more taxes, especially for those with more to spare. The only problem
is finding someone who can budget them correctly.

> if we had that money.....it'd be easier to
> pay our bills and get health insurance.

if we did not have privatized health insurance like the rest of the civilized
world, we wouldn't have to worry about it.

--
"I have an opinion. I used to work at Wax Trax." - josh laverne


Paul Y. and his... wait, no one cares.

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Nov 20, 2002, 6:24:18 PM11/20/02
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> > think about it....Bush DID get
> > elected...
>
> that is, if elected is synonymous to "instituted by a small group of
people
> sharing his interests", then yes...
>
> >
> >
> > we are FORCED to pay an unreasonable portion of our taxes to
> > assholes who do nothing at all.......
>
> When put to good use, taxes help out the community and build all the
things you
> take for granted.

i like pierre lately.

this is what i meant by, and was shouted down for, having realistic beliefs.
god help everyone who likes the fact that the gov't really does take care of
us more than we realize, because insufferable idiots like jim & steve think
its all a plot by the world goverment to control us more or some shit liek
that.

even though i go to a private (corporate) college, NY state and the federal
government give me money for it. i like that alot. i go to school half
price, actually. even better, the corporations that run my school (kodak,
xerox, & bausch & lomb, mostly) tend not to meddle in my department
(biotech) much. its a good system.

i want to slap everyone who is against everything they fuckign take for
granted.

btw, pierre, dont you mean to make light of the fact that we have privatized
health care *unlike* the rest of the civilized world? granted, most people
who do have health care here have good care, but if you're poor or cant get
a job with good benefits, you're fucked. good ol' socialist western europe
means well, at least, even if its an imperfect system.

Josh Hammonds

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Nov 20, 2002, 7:54:12 PM11/20/02
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"Paul Y. and his... wait, no one cares." <dukn...@kmfdm.com> wrote in
message news:arh5l4$i0b4k$1...@ID-59433.news.dfncis.de...
> i like pierre lately.

Me too. Now that he's all laid back and shit, he's rad.

Paul Y. and his... wait, no one cares.

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Nov 20, 2002, 8:05:28 PM11/20/02
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> > i like pierre lately.
>
> Me too. Now that he's all laid back and shit, he's rad.

yeah, hes no longer the pompous arse he used to come off as

hooray!

Skoooter's snowplow

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Nov 20, 2002, 8:17:45 PM11/20/02
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> When put to good use, taxes help out the community and build all the
things you
> take for granted. The public library I go to to use the net when my cable
modem is
> down is funded by taxes. The college education I'm getting is partially
brought by
> taxes. if my family were to suddenly go bankrupt and need third party
monetary
> support, I'd like to be assured that tax money and programs such as
welfare could
> provide the basic necessities of life for a certain amount of time.
>
> what would it be like if everything was funded privately? The libraries
could
> charge fees for internet use and book checkout, school systems would not
only
> teach *only* what is of interest to the parent companies which own them,
but would
> charge exorbitant fees for this, and upon financial mishaps, we would
resort to
> being in debt to banks through gargantuan loans...
>

agreed, taxes are a part of any responsible government..

I hate when people bitch excessively about economy/taxes, when they don't
contribute to the well being of this country's economy

taxes CAN do great things when applied correctly, its when people
(millionaires and deadbeats alike) abuse it

this may sound strange, but there are some people worse off in the world, so
if anyone wants to bitch, it should be those greatly affected, not a
networker with a large bank account who thought technology was always going
to be the same...

I don't like paying taxes, but I will because, aside from the obvious reason
(arrest), it has and may help me (and others in need) in return in the
future. I will also be carrying someone on my back who thought they were too
good to pay taxes

-----
Skooter's snowplow
-----


Jerrrrrrrrrrrrrrad

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Nov 20, 2002, 10:46:22 PM11/20/02
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>> > i like pierre lately.
>>
>> Me too. Now that he's all laid back and shit, he's rad.
>
>yeah, hes no longer the pompous arse he used to come off as
>
>hooray!

you wouldn't even speak with him over the phone, assbucket. you said "pierre is
subhuman", to which we all agreed with. but our agreeance was with love, not
jealousy.

Paul Y. and his... wait, no one cares.

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Nov 21, 2002, 1:31:45 AM11/21/02
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> >> > i like pierre lately.
> >>
> >> Me too. Now that he's all laid back and shit, he's rad.
> >
> >yeah, hes no longer the pompous arse he used to come off as
> >
> >hooray!
>
> you wouldn't even speak with him over the phone, assbucket. you said
"pierre is
> subhuman", to which we all agreed with. but our agreeance was with love,
not
> jealousy.

no, pierre said i was subhuman. i responded by drunkenly (probably) calling
him an asshole about 400 times.

Jerrrrrrrrrrrrrrad

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Nov 21, 2002, 2:03:18 AM11/21/02
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>
>no, pierre said i was subhuman. i responded by drunkenly (probably) calling
>him an asshole about 400 times.
>--

more like 410.

Paul Y. and his... wait, no one cares.

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Nov 21, 2002, 2:15:27 AM11/21/02
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> >no, pierre said i was subhuman. i responded by drunkenly (probably)
calling
> >him an asshole about 400 times.
> >--
>
> more like 410.

well, wahtever. the key point is that i was probably drunk anyway, so it
doesnt matter. that was a wonderful week of alcohol abuse. i thought my
liver was going to mutiny.
--

np: Tino - Mambothon

Jerrrrrrrrrrrrrrad

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Nov 21, 2002, 2:47:13 AM11/21/02
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>well, wahtever. the key point is that i was probably drunk anyway, so it
>doesnt matter. that was a wonderful week of alcohol abuse. i thought my
>liver was going to mutiny.

those three weeks gave me a lifetime of health problems.
just...absolutely...wonderful.
except drew being there.

Jim Nihil

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Nov 21, 2002, 7:43:14 AM11/21/02
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>i'm sorry then, mr. n.
>i'm riding a drug wave and it fucking sucks.
>sorry.

so am i.....almost everyone i know(well used to know) is on herione..... Ohio
seems to be a hot spot for that shit....

Jim Nihil

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Nov 21, 2002, 7:46:17 AM11/21/02
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>charge exorbitant fees for this, and upon financial mishaps, we would resort
>to
>being in debt to banks through gargantuan loans...
>
>the problem with taxes is not the taxes themselves, it's how they're
>administered.
>if we did not have privatized health insurance like the rest of the civilized
>world, we wouldn't have to worry about it.</snip intelligent post>

Very well said.....definately.

there might yet be hope........nah fuck it....haha

Jim Nihil

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Nov 21, 2002, 7:56:41 AM11/21/02
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>
>> > think about it....Bush DID get
>> > elected...
>>
>> that is, if elected is synonymous to "instituted by a small group of
>people
>> sharing his interests", then yes...
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > we are FORCED to pay an unreasonable portion of our taxes to
>> > assholes who do nothing at all.......
>>
>> When put to good use, taxes help out the community and build all the
>things you
>> take for granted.
>
>i like pierre lately.
>
>this is what i meant by, and was shouted down for, having realistic beliefs.
>god help everyone who likes the fact that the gov't really does take care of
>us more than we realize, because insufferable idiots like jim & steve think
>its all a plot by the world goverment to control us more or some shit liek
>that.

This is where you prove blatantly that you don't know how i think....let alone
my actual stance on anything.

I know there are things in the system that benefit people......there would have
to be.....if there werent......then it would actually give people a desire to
DRASTICALLY change it........
Of course the goverment isn't EVIL.....
evil does not exist....
However greed does play into how we get screwed....and we do get screwed
alot....
Just because i pick apart the shit i don't like.....doesnt mean i'm some raging
anarchist, blind-rebellion fuckhead.....like you have labeled me.....you
fucking prick.

It's not a plot by some "world government"....it's a foothold by the rich to
keep fucking over the poor so that they can remain rich....an army of minimum
wage slaves unable to do anything to ultimately change the fact that the
classes keep getting farther and farther apart....

there's also the religious angle......the fundementalist christians wanting
certain people in office if they promise to be harsh censors and against
abortion....lots of cash from those ministries....
nothing i have said is hearsay

.....bold backed up facts are available upon request......

fuck off with that weak shit

Joanna the whale penis

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Nov 21, 2002, 12:39:25 PM11/21/02
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>You want to know realistic?......
>The situation we are placed in from birth sucks and there's nothing we can do
>about it because the rest of humanity is too selfish and stupid to ever make
>any REAL progress to the quality of life..

OH MY GOD JUST KILL YOURSELF ALREADY.
Fucking shit.
Your life sucks because you make it suck.
Why rely on anybody else to make YOUR quality of life good? I stopped relying
on other people the second I got off the nipple.

Joanna the whale penis

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Nov 21, 2002, 12:43:17 PM11/21/02
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>evil does not exist..

that has to be the biggest pile of HORSESHIT i have ever seen on usenet.

se7en veils

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Nov 21, 2002, 1:21:34 PM11/21/02
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On 21 Nov 2002 17:39:25 GMT, prpl...@aol.comBadSpam (Joanna the
whale penis) wrote:

>>You want to know realistic?......
>>The situation we are placed in from birth sucks and there's nothing we can do
>>about it because the rest of humanity is too selfish and stupid to ever make
>>any REAL progress to the quality of life..
>
>OH MY GOD JUST KILL YOURSELF ALREADY.
>Fucking shit.
>Your life sucks because you make it suck.
>Why rely on anybody else to make YOUR quality of life good? I stopped relying
>on other people the second I got off the nipple.

i <3 teh nipple.

Paul Y. and his... wait, no one cares.

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Nov 21, 2002, 2:55:58 PM11/21/02
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> >>You want to know realistic?......
> >>The situation we are placed in from birth sucks and there's nothing we
can do
> >>about it because the rest of humanity is too selfish and stupid to ever
make
> >>any REAL progress to the quality of life..

<s>YUO = DUMB</s>

> >OH MY GOD JUST KILL YOURSELF ALREADY.
> >Fucking shit.
> >Your life sucks because you make it suck.
> >Why rely on anybody else to make YOUR quality of life good? I stopped
relying
> >on other people the second I got off the nipple.

<s>YES.</s>

> i <3 teh nipple.

<s>YES.</s>
--

np: nothin'

Jim Nihil

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Nov 22, 2002, 7:36:32 AM11/22/02
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>OH MY GOD JUST KILL YOURSELF ALREADY.
>Fucking shit.
>Your life sucks because you make it suck.
>Why rely on anybody else to make YOUR quality of life good? I stopped relying
>on other people the second I got off the nipple.

Sorry....but if i someone came to your house and burned it down....that
wouldn;t be your fault....but yes.....it would make your life suck.
You have such a flawed outlook.

Alot of things are ones own responsibility....BUT
Alot of things in someones environment can prohibit them from being happy
and/or achieving goals.

I don't rely on OTHER people to make the quality of my life good......i just
don't want other people(Govt,police,etc..) to be able to drastically impede the
quality of my life.......which unlike you stupid cunts think....actually does
happen every so often.

Jim Nihil

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Nov 22, 2002, 7:36:44 AM11/22/02
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>>evil does not exist..
>
>that has to be the biggest pile of HORSESHIT i have ever seen on usenet.

please explain to me how evil could possibly be REAL.

I'll explain why evil does not exist:

The words Evil and GOOD are nothing more than a justification for ones
actions....
"Killing is wrong...but it's ok to kill these people because they are evil"

Nothing is truely EVIL.....Nothing is truely GOOD

It comes down to which side you are on.....
People who are refered to as "EVIL" usually don't claim to be "EVIL".....they
usually claim that THEY are the one who should be refered to as "GOOD".

- The real enemies are the fabricated "demons" in the public consciousness, the
myths and the lies, the foolish ideas and the self-destructive notions and
secondly the people that preach it. The relativistic moral codes of "good" is
this and "bad" is that, they're cynically reinvented by self-righteous
leaderships to achieve misguided, contrived goals.

plussteveplus

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Nov 22, 2002, 9:51:35 AM11/22/02
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Jim Nihil <nihili...@aol.communism> wrote in message
news:20021122073632...@mb-fm.aol.com...

>
> Sorry....but if i someone came to your house and burned it down....that
> wouldn;t be your fault....but yes.....it would make your life suck.
> You have such a flawed outlook.
>


he's got a point there


Josh Hammonds

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Nov 22, 2002, 1:50:05 PM11/22/02
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"Jim Nihil" <nihili...@aol.communism> wrote in message
news:20021122073644...@mb-fm.aol.com...

> >>evil does not exist..
> >
> >that has to be the biggest pile of HORSESHIT i have ever seen on usenet.
>
> please explain to me how evil could possibly be REAL.

People who take pleasure in hurting other people are evil.

Josh Hammonds

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Nov 22, 2002, 1:51:34 PM11/22/02
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"Jim Nihil" <nihili...@aol.communism> wrote in message
news:20021122073632...@mb-fm.aol.com...

> I don't rely on OTHER people to make the quality of my life good......i
just
> don't want other people(Govt,police,etc..) to be able to drastically
impede the
> quality of my life.......which unlike you stupid cunts think....actually
does
> happen every so often.

Name ONCE. Name ONE time where the government has done something that
"drastically impeded your quality of life".

silly name papos

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Nov 22, 2002, 2:21:23 PM11/22/02
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Josh Hammonds wrote:

>
> People who take pleasure in hurting other people are evil.

the blind melon bee girl is evil.

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