The Trenchcoat Mafia Was Right
Nomen Nescio
answer is that these are the people who are seen as future leaders and
managers in America when they become adults. It will be their task to
engineer plans and issue orders to those such as they now bully, brutalize
and rape, a practice they will continue in a different guise later.
The answer is to pick up a gun and use it. That is the only way you will
get justice.
July 14, 2001 Talk about it E-mail story Print
IN BRIEF / SAN BERNARDINO
Case Dismissed in Alleged Hazing Incident
From Times Staff and Wire Reports
A judge dismissed the case against a former Yucca Valley High School
football player who allegedly was involved in the sexual battery of a
teammate.
San Bernardino Superior Court Judge John Wade said Thursday that after two
weeks of testimony, prosecutors had failed to prove the charges against the
youth, now 18.
The former student, whose identity wasn't released because he was tried as
a minor, was among a group of football players accused of sexually abusing
a teammate during an alleged hazing incident at the high school last fall.
Five other juveniles charged in the case entered plea bargains.
DemilinX
news:a53d3acdac5bb129...@dizum.com...
> Why do judges identify with thugs who are members of a football team? The
> answer is that these are the people who are seen as future leaders and
> managers in America when they become adults. It will be their task to
> engineer plans and issue orders to those such as they now bully, brutalize
> and rape, a practice they will continue in a different guise later.
>
> The answer is to pick up a gun and use it. That is the only way you will
> get justice.
Guns aren't the way catepillar.
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"I don't know why
Depression it comes and goes
Throughout my whole life,
It's something that I've known;
Familiar to me like a recurring dream
One happy moment
The next I am sad
Because it grips me like I've never felt
I'm sorry if I did anything
Can I be of any help?
Can I be of any help to you my friend?"
- No Motiv, "Sunday 6:00PM"
Cuplan
<nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
>Why do judges identify with thugs who are members of a football team? The
>answer is that these are the people who are seen as future leaders and
>managers in America when they become adults. It will be their task to
>engineer plans and issue orders to those such as they now bully, brutalize
>and rape, a practice they will continue in a different guise later.
>
>The answer is to pick up a gun and use it. That is the only way you will
>get justice.
Vengeance is only justice in the immature minds of those who can't
grasp the nature of justice.
--
Cuplan.
"She's just a drug addiction and a self-reflecting
image of a narcotized mind."
-Swans, "Celebrity Lifestyle"
Fog
> >get justice.
>
> Vengeance is only justice in the immature minds of those who can't
> grasp the nature of justice.
>
> --
> Cuplan.
VENGEANCE IS MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNE!!!!!!!11111
Flip
crosspost in this group unless you have somthing
intelligent to say...
Raydawg
refrain from cross-posting.
Now, as for the fact that "a gun is the answer"...no, it really
isn't...'cause stupid people are only alive because it's illegal to shoot
them...and given the vast amount of evidence against you in that post...it
would be illegal to shoot you.
Ray
"Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
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<BIG FUCKING SNIP>
Ian
Raydawg <pimp...@wannabastud.net> wrote in message
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> Ok, what the fuck does this have to do with music? Nothing...second,
> refrain from cross-posting.
>
> Now, as for the fact that "a gun is the answer"...no, it really
> isn't...'cause stupid people are only alive because it's illegal to shoot
> them...and given the vast amount of evidence against you in that post...it
> would be illegal to shoot you.
No troll spotting badge for you!
Ian
NJSaRcHaSm
>the CEO of the Fortune 500 corporation. A boot on the neck of the majority.
>The only answer is to pull a gun out of your waist band and point it
>upwards at their balls and pull the trigger.
In a way I agree with you. The justice system as a whole is not working. Most
of the people in jail are poor or black or both. But is violence ever an
answer? I don't think so. The sad thing is I don't think there is an answer. If
you kill one, there is always another equally deserving of death. You can never
kill them all.
naylor
Hell Remailer
"Raydawg" <pimp...@wannabastud.net> wrote in message
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>
> isn't...'cause stupid people are only alive because it's illegal to shoot
> them...and given the vast amount of evidence against you in that post...it
> would be illegal to shoot you.
Spoken just like the judge, the prosecutor, the geneticist, the senator,
the CEO of the Fortune 500 corporation. A boot on the neck of the majority.
The only answer is to pull a gun out of your waist band and point it
upwards at their balls and pull the trigger.
>
> Ray
>
> "Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
> news:a53d3acdac5bb129...@dizum.com...
>
Ian
news:20010724171553...@ng-cs1.aol.com...
>
> Most
> of the people in jail are poor or black or both.
This doesn't mean the justice system isn't working. Forgive me for saying
this in a PC climate, but do you think it may indicate a pattern in
offending, or should I say a pattern in offending AND getting caught for it?
Ian
Brad McBad
control and a greater sense of responsibility infused into americans with
regard to firearms, then children would not be given weapons, designed
primarily to kill human beings.
Guns can be bought as easily as a computer, a cd player, or any other medium
sized household purchase, And I hate to point it out, but there is a flaw in
this. If people had to go to a gun runner, someone whom most conservative
Americans a la Charlton Heston would consider to be a lowlife, or white
trash scum, then there would be a massive drop in
1. Accidents involving weapons kept loaded.
2. Unbalanced individuals being able to purchase weapons
3. Second hand weapons falling through the thin mesh of firearm registration
and into the hands of real criminals
After the columbine shooting it was the alternative subcultures who got the
railing. As a trenchcoat wearing, dyed black haired gothic male I had to
deal with backlash from peers, my parents and concerned geriatrics . I broke
the noses of three drunked teenagers who attacked me with glass bottles and
bricks. I did not take out a personal vendetta against them and "cap" them.
If attitudes to firearms were tighter then perhaps it would be the NRA who
would be called into question, not marilyn manson, not rammstein.
I know I'm whining, but nobody listens to anyone.
If you have any wish to speak to me, I'm on alt.music.nin, my msn username
is midnig...@softhome.net and my Aol username is currently gothicbrad666.
Thanx
"Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
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Patrick Alexander
: Guns can be bought as easily as a computer, a cd player, or any other medium
: sized household purchase, And I hate to point it out, but there is a flaw in
: this.
Um. Guns can't be `bought as easily as a computer, a cd player, or
any other medium-sized household purchase', here in the US. Many guns can't
be bought at all! And... I could just go downtown with some money and come
home with a cd player. I can't just go downtown with some money and come
home with a gun.
Patrick Alexander
`God is a conjecture; but I desire that your conjectures be
limited by what is thinkable.'
--Friedrich Nietzsche
JAMES A BERRY
you can do about that which has already occured - being made fun of - and
avenging it is denying one's right to move on in life. Blowing the shit out
of innocent people isn't going to do shit to help you out. Furthermore, I
guarentee you that those two idiots talked just as much shit about the
"jocks" as the "jocks" did them. Do me a favor and lock yourself in your
cellar so your idiocracy will never grace my presence again.
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[p.a.]Kane's Jihad
[another] highschool shotting, an investigation into the availability of
guns and rifles. They managed to get an M16 sold to a 17 year old at a gun
fare and from a shop in a city (forgot name sorry). This guy had an older
man with him, and neither vendor ever stopped to ask age, ID etc...If you
can buy military weapons this easy, I'm thinking pistols and handguns are
like traded for baseball cards in the playground...
I dont approve of the english system of gun control where like almost
everything is banned. This makes illegal gun running pay better. No, just
far tighter controls are in order, full ID and mental health checks so ppl
who like shooting as a sport can get on with it.
Also we all have the right to defend ourselves on our own ground..i.e.
at home. When tony martin, and english farmer shot dead a burglar at his
farm (like the 15th guy that had attacked his property that year), he was
sent to prison. Why the fuck?? The kid was breaking the law, he deserves to
die, he was like 150miles from home!! Criminals like him deserve what they
get. I hope Martin gets out soon as this is a disgrace and I would like to
say I applaude the US death penalty, for as long as the conviction is sound
and proved so, criminals should be made to pay, not allowed to use OUR tax
money to live off, after a crime.
/rant over
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JAMES A BERRY
period!!! That's the whole point! Our society has a major flaw in that we
feel restrictions are the answer. Restricting the actions of the dumb only
goes so far. Education is the answer (I don't mean to sound like a public
service announcement, but...). It is through education that one's mind
developes to a point of understanding that is currently thought of as smart.
How many "smart" people do you hear of killing each other? The answer is
very few. Look at East Asians, who are stereotyped as being super
intelligent. In Japan they have an average of *6* shootings a year. In
America we have sooooooooooo many more than that that it is sickening. The
thing is, what is currently referred to as "smart" direly needs to become
average. If the human race as a whole maintains this level of ignorance and
stupidity, I venture to say we are doomed.
[p.a.]Kane's Jihad
characteristics in ppl, but unless we 'put down' all mentally ill ppl when
they born or lock um up, they will forever be a menace to society, be it
with guns, knives, bricks etc. Education only works if the ppl have the IQ
and ability to recieve it...and a lot dont.
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"JAMES A BERRY" <ber...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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Kevin Talbot
"humankind" in for "society." Humankind should not need to set restrictions
on themselves in order to attain any form of order. Humankind must become
much smarter if we ever wish to achieve Utopia, or even avoid killing
ourselves and going the way of the dinosaurs. You made a good point, but it
is largely in response to my lesser points. I personally don't think America
will be able to achieve a rais in intellect. Atleast not as long as society
is structured the wya it is now. For that we would need to drop everything
and start from scratch, and place philosophers, not politicians in the power
seat. Unfortunately, anyone who attempted that would be sucked under and
become a third world country by way of the consumers of the world.
NJSaRcHaSm
>If attitudes to firearms were tighter then perhaps it would be the NRA who
>would be called into question, not marilyn manson, not rammstein.
Sounds good to me, and I'm American.
naylor
Giggles
>
> THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LIMP BIZKIT!!! don't
> crosspost in this group unless you have somthing
> intelligent to say...
>
--
Ashley
NJSaRcHaSm
>Furthermore, I
>guarentee you that those two idiots talked just as much shit about the
>"jocks" as the "jocks" did them.
Are you a mind reader? Where do I learn your skills? Wait, maybe you used to be
on the football team.
naylor
NJSaRcHaSm
>Education is the answer (I don't mean to sound like a public
>service announcement, but...). It is through education that one's mind
>developes to a point of understanding that is currently thought of as smart.
Oh yea. hehe. No fucking way dude. What does sex education do? Not a whole lot.
How about the DARE program? Not a whole lot. Gun education? It's only going to
make people more interested in guns. And let's face it, many people out there
will stay stupid. Some have learning disabilites or mental problems. Yet they
will still be able to get guns and shoot your fucking head off. Then will you
consider better gun control?!?!
Thanks for your time James,
naylor
NJSaRcHaSm
>This does: Limp Bizkit is seriously awful. A bunch of posers.
Just curious, what are they posing as?
naylor
MaskedFragility
>Ok, what the fuck does this have to do with music? Nothing<
It was a troll, attempting to provoke and incendiate the generalized
type of angst-ridden, bullied, alienated, "jock"-despising, vengeful
teenage mind, underdeveloped in rationality, that tends to be
attracted to any of the bands of the newsgroups it was cross-posted
to. Her or she may have even had the far-out wish of planting the
seed for another school shooting or something of the sort with a
Usenet post.
>....second,
refrain from cross-posting.<
I have continued the cross-posting of this thread. Maybe you'll mind,
maybe you won't.
Ryan, alt.music.marilyn-manson Acting Minister of Sarcasm
-stark-
enlighten us!
> I hate to be a little English spoilsport, but if there was tighter gun
> control and a greater sense of responsibility infused into americans with
> regard to firearms, then children would not be given weapons, designed
> primarily to kill human beings.
>
> Guns can be bought as easily as a computer, a cd player, or any other medium
> sized household purchase, And I hate to point it out, but there is a flaw in
> this. If people had to go to a gun runner, someone whom most conservative
> Americans a la Charlton Heston would consider to be a lowlife, or white
> trash scum, then there would be a massive drop in
>
> 1. Accidents involving weapons kept loaded.
> 2. Unbalanced individuals being able to purchase weapons
> 3. Second hand weapons falling through the thin mesh of firearm registration
> and into the hands of real criminals
>
> After the columbine shooting it was the alternative subcultures who got the
> railing. As a trenchcoat wearing, dyed black haired gothic male I had to
> deal with backlash from peers, my parents and concerned geriatrics . I broke
> the noses of three drunked teenagers who attacked me with glass bottles and
> bricks. I did not take out a personal vendetta against them and "cap" them.
>
> If attitudes to firearms were tighter then perhaps it would be the NRA who
> would be called into question, not marilyn manson, not rammstein.
>
> I know I'm whining, but nobody listens to anyone.
As a gun owner and an American citizen, I say you're full of
shit.
The larger point, however, is that your opinion is irrelevant.
You aren't a US citizen. You have a society that came up very
differently than ours. You hold different things paramount and
almighty.
That's why we left all those years ago. The Colonies simply
didn't agree with the general, and kingly, view on many issues
in Britain, chief among them taxation and gun control, or more
to the point military control of civilian and colonial militia
weapons.
So, when you decide to leave England, come here, naturalize and
contribute to US society by working, living, voting and paying
taxes, I will be more than happy to hear your viewpoints on the
realities of purchasing and using firarms, both legally and
illegally. Until you know specifically what *I* have to do to
legally own a gun in the state of Connecticut (or the 32 other
"right-to-carry" states), you're talking directly out of your
ass. Until you go downtown in any major city in America and buy
a computer, cd player, toaster oven, a stainless Springfield
Armory Fully Loaded model and a Glock 17 (with the ultra-scary
super-huge Mega-Death magazine!) all purchased by simply showing
cash or credit and NO other effort, you come talk to me about
the gun problem in this country. Until then, you're talking out
of your ass.
The only reason I can see for talking out of your ass is that
you're full of shit, and if you open your mouth, you're afraid
the taste will make you gag.
And ladies and gentlemen, we come full circle to my original
point, that "Brad McBad" is full of shit.
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Kevin Talbot
know that going around and shooting anyone and everyone who ever said
anythign about them is not a good idea... Gun education would just make a
larger portion of the population redneck bastards...
Flip
glad u ain't a trendy little bitch... good for you.
you can think for your self... more people should be
like you..
Kevin Talbot
was soccer and that was 6 years ago. Just making a point that there are a
lot of stupid people out their that don't see the hypocrisy in their own
actions... btw, my name is Kevin, but my configuration was messed up
earlier... (james is my dad)
-stark-
> Why do judges identify with thugs who are members of a football team? The
> answer is that these are the people who are seen as future leaders and
> managers in America when they become adults. It will be their task to
> engineer plans and issue orders to those such as they now bully, brutalize
> and rape, a practice they will continue in a different guise later.
>
> The answer is to pick up a gun and use it. That is the only way you will
> get justice.
They're dead.
D E A D.
They aren't alive anymore. They expired. Shuffled off this
mortal coil. Took a dirtnap. Crossed over. Passed the veil.
They're sleeping with the fishes, see?
How in the name of all great Satan's fucksticks did they get
"justice?"
Merriam-Webster defines justice as follows:
Main Entry: jus·tice
Pronunciation: 'j&s-t&s
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English & Old French; Old
English justice, from Old French justice, from Latin justitia,
from justus
Date: 12th century
1 a : the maintenance or administration of what is just
especially by the impartial adjustment of conflicting claims or
the assignment of merited rewards or punishments b : JUDGE c :
the administration of law; especially : the establishment or
determination of rights according to the rules of law or equity
2 a : the quality of being just, impartial, or fair b (1) : the
principle or ideal of just dealing or right action (2) :
conformity to this principle or ideal : RIGHTEOUSNESS c : the
quality of conforming to law
3 : conformity to truth, fact, or reason : CORRECTNESS
Nothing those two did remotely resembles justice. On a
philosophical level, I think one would kinda want to be here to
revel in the justice one dispensed...Otherwise it's a greek
tragedy and no one gets the brass ring.
You know, that's the fucking problem in this country...no one
thinks about what they say or do any more...they just spew their
bile out of spoiled, undisciplined mouths and yell about what
the world owes them.
Got picked on? SO FUCKING WHAT. So did I. I learned to fight.
Got ridiculed? SO FUCKING WHAT. So did I. Do something to
change it. Start a band, write a book, fucking play football if
you have to. I am living proof that it works. I really wasn;t
liking getting pounded week after week on a football field, but
being on the team got my friends talking to the jocks and things
were fucking great after that. We all got along, and *I* was
the lynchpin for a crew of about 40 friends. It can be done,
and 40 people can influence 400. You can turn an entire school
if you really tried. The point is, if you care so much about
what other people say and how they treat you, then do something
to elicit the behavior you want or shut your fucking cry-hole.
Got slammed up against a locker and called a freak? SO FUCKING
WHAT. Either fly your freak flag and learn to fight, or take it
like a weakling, because if there's one thing I have learned in
my damn near 31 years of life, it's that you cannot EVER rid the
world of the uncouth, the bullies, the football captains of the
world.
The best you will *EVER* do is make sure these people don't fuck
with you or anyone you love. SO get off your pasty white, dead
flower-carrying, black velvet cloak of night, blood is my pain
gothity-goth *ASS* and *do* something to affect a change that
doesn't include ending someone's life.
Since when did high-school bullshit go from ass-kickings to
thinking it's cool to kill? Got your ass kicked? LEARN TO
FIGHT, you fucking pussy. Take self-defense classes. Learn
karate. Box. Learn to fight dirty. Just fucking do something
and stop pissing and moaning. And most of all, realize that you
don't have the right to kill someone unless they are about to
kill you...and some believe not even then. Getting tormented by
football bullies is NOT grounds for killing.
No, I don't feel strongly about this at all.
-stark-
> control and a greater sense of responsibility infused into americans with
> regard to firearms, then children would not be given weapons, designed
> primarily to kill human beings.
>
> Guns can be bought as easily as a computer, a cd player, or any other medium
> sized household purchase, And I hate to point it out, but there is a flaw in
> this. If people had to go to a gun runner, someone whom most conservative
> Americans a la Charlton Heston would consider to be a lowlife, or white
> trash scum, then there would be a massive drop in
>
> 1. Accidents involving weapons kept loaded.
> 2. Unbalanced individuals being able to purchase weapons
> 3. Second hand weapons falling through the thin mesh of firearm registration
> and into the hands of real criminals
>
> After the columbine shooting it was the alternative subcultures who got the
> railing. As a trenchcoat wearing, dyed black haired gothic male I had to
> deal with backlash from peers, my parents and concerned geriatrics . I broke
> the noses of three drunked teenagers who attacked me with glass bottles and
> bricks. I did not take out a personal vendetta against them and "cap" them.
>
> If attitudes to firearms were tighter then perhaps it would be the NRA who
> would be called into question, not marilyn manson, not rammstein.
>
> I know I'm whining, but nobody listens to anyone.
--
Jay Em
imagine what would happen were you to weild a weapon in public
you can't say its a matter of intelligence, cause its really a matter of
what the government is willing to go to prevent crimes
japan's system is basically far too different to compare it to the american
justice system
"JAMES A BERRY" <ber...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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Miska
i have to say i was moved strongly by what you said *applause*
I agree, killing someone because they hassled you is no way fair and just.
if they were about to fire a gun at you then sure i'd feel inclined to wanna
be the one to fire the 1st shot.
good on you for having the strength to get past the BS in your life and good
on you for having the guts to tell it like it is online :-)
PEACE!
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"JAMES A BERRY" <ber...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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Cuplan
>In a way I agree with you. The justice system as a whole is not working. Most
>of the people in jail are poor or black or both.
It's amazing, but most of the people commiting violent crimes are
poor, in a racial minority, or both. Seems to me that they're being
taken to justice just fine.
>But is violence ever an
>answer? I don't think so. The sad thing is I don't think there is an answer. If
>you kill one, there is always another equally deserving of death. You can never
>kill them all.
Initiation of force is never, IMHO, a correct way to resolve anything.
That goes for everyone, including the government.
--
Cuplan.
"She's just a drug addiction and a self-reflecting
image of a narcotized mind."
-Swans, "Celebrity Lifestyle"
Cuplan
<midnig...@softhome.net> wrote:
>I hate to be a little English spoilsport, but if there was tighter gun
>control and a greater sense of responsibility infused into americans with
>regard to firearms, then children would not be given weapons, designed
>primarily to kill human beings.
You're an English spoilsport. IMHO, what's needed is, in fact, a
greater sense of responsibility, but that can't be created through
law. I'd rather deal with the irresponsible than have my freedoms
taken away, though, so I disagree with your point of view.
Also, keep in mind that you already live in a country where firearm
ownership is radically restricted, and I'm willing to suspect that
means you have a distorted view when it comes to firearms.
>Guns can be bought as easily as a computer, a cd player, or any other medium
>sized household purchase, And I hate to point it out, but there is a flaw in
>this.
Sorry, but you're factually wrong. In the US, most firearms cannot be
purchased as easily as a computer, cd player, or any other appliance.
The US government certainly does not track the serial numbers of my cd
player. The US government also doesn't have a waiting period on
buying a toaster. The US government certainly doesn't check to see if
I have a criminal background when I buy a computer.
>If people had to go to a gun runner, someone whom most conservative
>Americans a la Charlton Heston would consider to be a lowlife, or white
>trash scum, then there would be a massive drop in
>
>1. Accidents involving weapons kept loaded.
How is owning a firearm illegally going to improve ownership
responsibility?
>2. Unbalanced individuals being able to purchase weapons
That doesn't follow. Do gun runners administer psych tests to their
customers?
>3. Second hand weapons falling through the thin mesh of firearm registration
>and into the hands of real criminals
Of course not, since the criminals would still be getting their guns
from gun runners or people doing fencing for them, and so we'd just
see clearly that the crooks get the guns illegally.
>If attitudes to firearms were tighter then perhaps it would be the NRA who
>would be called into question, not marilyn manson, not rammstein.
I disagree. If people understood exactly where firearms belonged in
their lives, then the dead kids would be the ones eyes would turn to,
and that's the only place eyes ought to turns.
>I know I'm whining, but nobody listens to anyone.
Yup. You're whining. You also are just picking an alternate
reactionary stance.
>If you have any wish to speak to me, I'm on alt.music.nin, my msn username
>is midnig...@softhome.net and my Aol username is currently gothicbrad666.
Thank you. I've pared down the crossposting accordingly.
Cuplan
<plane...@waphost.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>ok for English readers, I saw on Newsnight about 4 months ago after
>[another] highschool shotting, an investigation into the availability of
>guns and rifles. They managed to get an M16 sold to a 17 year old at a gun
>fare and from a shop in a city (forgot name sorry). This guy had an older
>man with him, and neither vendor ever stopped to ask age, ID etc...If you
>can buy military weapons this easy, I'm thinking pistols and handguns are
>like traded for baseball cards in the playground...
Then you're wrong. Also, you're describing an illegal purchase, which
is essentially that of going to a "gun runner." You probably don't
know this, but Harris and Klebolds broke 25 firearms laws in their
acquisitions. Why were they not caught beforehand? Because gun laws,
by their nature, only restrict LEGAL purchases. Illegal purchases, on
the other hand, continue to be illegal, and people still do it. Since
virtually no money is put into enforcing our existing laws
efficiently, no progress is made. Gun control laws are always "feel
good" laws. The mere passing of them makes people feel good, and
that's enough to get another vote from the constituents.
> I dont approve of the english system of gun control where like almost
>everything is banned. This makes illegal gun running pay better. No, just
>far tighter controls are in order, full ID and mental health checks so ppl
>who like shooting as a sport can get on with it.
US firearm laws regulating the legal purchase of firearms already
require that a background check be run, which checks the purchaser's
history of both criminal acts and outbursts of poor mental health that
have caught the attention of the courts. Again, these laws will only
further regulate legal transactions. Those who do their work
illegally continue to do their work illegally.
> Also we all have the right to defend ourselves on our own ground..i.e.
>at home. When tony martin, and english farmer shot dead a burglar at his
>farm (like the 15th guy that had attacked his property that year), he was
>sent to prison. Why the fuck?? The kid was breaking the law, he deserves to
>die, he was like 150miles from home!! Criminals like him deserve what they
>get. I hope Martin gets out soon as this is a disgrace and I would like to
>say I applaude the US death penalty, for as long as the conviction is sound
>and proved so, criminals should be made to pay, not allowed to use OUR tax
>money to live off, after a crime.
It's actually more expensive to execute a man than to send him to
prison for life. That divergence in costs can be further reduced if
hard labor became a staple in prison. The death penalty is nothing
but a legally sanctioned form of murder, and I consider it a violation
of a man's rights (which I consider to be of divine origin) to the
most extreme degree to be murdered by anyone and for any reason.
Governments deserve no special place in the world of ethics.
Governments are emergent functions of groups of people, and people are
certainly subject to ethical considerations.