Zim Zum.. the name
Doris D. Dahmer
In Hebrew Kabbalah the word 'sim''sum'e is the word they use for the big
bang.. I believe this is where Zim Zum's name came from.. they just
switched the s with a z instead.. dunno.. just a thought
--Doris D. Dahmer..
Manson's Daughter
b00...@aol.com wrote:
>
> In<32A749...@geocities.com> "Doris D. Dahmer"
> <ginge...@geocities.com>writes:
> did gods "dirty work". That is where he got the name.
>
> -B00NE
I've got this book on the Kabbalah and in English Zim Zum was writen
tzim tzum the t's mean "the" and also I've heard 2 things about this
name,1. Zim ZUm was an Angel that did god's dirty work and 2. When god
created the world he needed to make a place where he wasn't and that
place was called Zim Zum.
Manson's Daughter
Doris D. Dahmer
In Donald Tyson's YVHV he says zimzum is the void of god kinda..
b00...@aol.com
Aaron Stroot
b00...@aol.com wrote:
: In<32A749...@geocities.com> "Doris D. Dahmer"
: <ginge...@geocities.com>writes:
: >--Doris D. Dahmer.
: -B00NE
Quoting the Manson FAQ, "Zim Zum literally means extraction."
revkano@irc
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Dr.Faust
Manson's Daughter wrote:
>
> b00...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > In<32A749...@geocities.com> "Doris D. Dahmer"
> > <ginge...@geocities.com>writes:
> >
> > >In Hebrew Kabbalah the word 'sim''sum'e is the word they use for the big
> > >bang.. I believe this is where Zim Zum's name came from.. they just
> > >switched the s with a z instead.. dunno.. just a thought
> >
> > >--Doris D. Dahmer.
> >
> > Not quite. Zim Zum refers to two angels in the christian religion that
> > did gods "dirty work". That is where he got the name.
> >
> > -B00NE
> tzim tzum the t's mean "the" and also I've heard 2 things about this
> name,1. Zim ZUm was an Angel that did god's dirty work and 2. When god
> created the world he needed to make a place where he wasn't and that
> place was called Zim Zum.
>
> Manson's Daughter
Quote from Kabalah Time Zones:
pg 34:
By reenacting the Tsimtsum, the original act of creation, on a personal
level, the illusion of randomness, uncertainty, pain, suffering and evil
disappears.
pg 176:
The lord craeted one against the other, declares King Solomon. The
Tsimtsum, the first restriction, created a situation such that the
predictive laws of the cosmos and free will could exist side by side.
Hope this helps.....
Dr.Faust
(Contributing to the World's Largest Ball Of Pubic Hair)
RaNCiD
>In Hebrew Kabbalah the word 'sim''sum'e is the word they use for the big
>bang.. I believe this is where Zim Zum's name came from.. they just
>switched the s with a z instead.. dunno.. just a thought
>
>--Doris D. Dahmer..
I thought Zim Zum came from Zim Kramer and Richard Zum...oh well...
tumBLEweED
sco0...@aol.com wrote:
> Zim Zum
> 1940's pin-up girl Zim Kramer, and 1970's serial killer Raymond Zum.
that's shit.
Zim Zum - Breaking the mold of previous names, this one derives from the
Cabala, an ancient Hebrew mystical work. It literally means "extraction"
and refers to the action of God in withdrawing his presence from an area
of primordial space to as to make room for the Creation.
this is from coyote's faq. where did you find the faq you read??--
because the rest of the info was word for word from coyote...except the
zimmy stuff. zim zum's name was NOT derived from a pin-up girl and
serial killer...anglo started that rumor as a joke.
--
{tumBLEweED}
sco0...@aol.com
Check this out people! In case you didn't know that is. I got this from a
Marilyn Manson FAQ.
Marilyn Manson
Marilyn Monroe (well known actress from the 60's) and Charles Manson
(leader of a cult who's members went on a killing spree in 1969).
[picture]
Daisy Berkowitz
Daisy Duke ("Dukes of Hazzard" TV series) and David Berkowitz
(the "Son of Sam" killer, a/k/a "Mr. 44" and "Mister Monster").
[picture]
Gidget Gein
Gidget (surfer girl heroine of 60's TV/movie series) and Ed Gein (famed
Wisconsin cannibal psycho).
[picture]
Madonna Wayne Gacy
Madonna (the singer/actress, not the Virgin Mary) and John Wayne Gacy
(executed murderer of 33 boys, a/k/a kids' party entertainer "Pogo the
Clown")
[picture]
Sara Lee Lucas
Sara Lee (of baked goods fame)and accused mass-murderer Henry Lee Lucas.
[picture]
Twiggy Ramirez
Twiggy ('60's Mod model) and Richard Ramirez (the "Night
Stalker").
[picture]
Ginger Fish
Ginger Rogers--Ginger himself has suggested famed drummer Ginger Baker,
but that would miss the point, Baker being male. Fish = cannibal
child-killer Albert Fish.
[ No Picture, yet !]
Zim Zum
1940's pin-up girl Zim Kramer, and 1970's serial killer Raymond Zum.
[ No Picture ]
Zsa Zsa Speck
Zsa Zsa Gabor (known for simply being Zsa Zsa) and Richard Speck (killer
of student nurses).
[ No Picture ]
Olivia Newton Bundy
Olivia Newton John, Australian pretty-girl singer, and Ted Bundy
(arrested in FL, and finally executed in that state in Feb. of 1989).
They're they are! All TEN!
Mandolyn
No,Actually the name Zim Zum has to do with
the bible.At least thats what his mom said.
and I read some where,I think FAQ.read that it'll say.
BChisum685
No actually Zim Zum is a Angle of god who did the dirty work for god like
killing people i read it in an artcile.
SCO0BY D0O
bchis...@aol.com (BChisum685) wrote:
>No actually Zim Zum is a Angle of god who did the dirty work for >god
like killing people i read it in an artcile.
WRONG! I TOLD YOU!! Zim Zum is just like the other 9 people who were ever
in Marilyn Manson. A model and a killer. Zim Kramer who was a 40's model
and Raymond Zum, a 70's killer. You are full of shit if you think it is
anything else.
mike roehr a.k.a rainmkr
Not according to him, a few ppl I was with talked to him before a
concert in St Pete back in nov. Which btw he's the only one who would
talk. He said something along the lines of the void without god or
someshit along that line...
mike
greets to:
#warez5, #amnin, #tampa
"The monkey that spread the ebola virus
to people also started the Macarena"
-- Conan O'Brien
Mandolyn
NO!scooby doo,YOU'RE the one whos wrong!
I personally asked Zim Zum and his mother
what the origin of his name was
and they both told me it was a biblical name.
I'm not the only one who was there that night that
was told the same thing.SO YOU'RE the one whos wrong!So stop coming on
here and insulting others because you don't have your facts straight.
Lydia Warner had it right on the button about the whole
Zsa ZSa and Olivia-Newton thing.So do some research before
you make a fool of yourself AGAIN.
Dr.Faust
SCO0BY D0O wrote:
>
> bchis...@aol.com (BChisum685) wrote:
>
> >No actually Zim Zum is a Angle of god who did the dirty work for >god
> like killing people i read it in an artcile.
>
> WRONG! I TOLD YOU!! Zim Zum is just like the other 9 people who were ever
> in Marilyn Manson. A model and a killer. Zim Kramer who was a 40's model
> and Raymond Zum, a 70's killer. You are full of shit if you think it is
> anything else.
And did Zimmy tell you this personally little girl/boy??? If he
didn't then I have a tough time believing you... Have you ever heard of
the concept of evolution and change??? Maybe Dualism??? These are all
subjects you may wish to investigate... Trust me, it would be in your
best interest
Dr.Faust
(still coughing up those pubies from Hootie)
SCO0BY D0O
Fine! He is named after some angel (yeah right. That's a load of bullshit)
Dude, I got my info from a FAQ. Now if the FAQ is wrong than I and
EVERYONE else with the FAQ is wrong. And there are MANY people who have
this FAQ according to the writer. And why the hell would it be some angel
guy? ALL of the other members have a model for a first name and a killer
for a last name. Why would he be different? And how did any of you know
that he wasn't bullshitting you? I mean, he could have said he was Danny
from Full House. If some dork came up to me and said "What's the origin of
your name?" I would probably make up some bullshit story and see how far I
could go with it. I think you got suckered dude.
tumBLEweED
SCO0BY D0O wrote:
> Fine! He is named after some angel (yeah right. That's a load of > bullshit)
> Dude, I got my info from a FAQ.
it has NOTHING to do with serial killers/famous chicks/angels.
that was a rumor started by anglo waste <see bottom of post>
here is the faq:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/4813/MM10.HTM#2
this is what it says:
Zim Zum - Breaking the mold of previous names, this one derives from the
Cabala, an ancient Hebrew mystical work. It literally means "extraction"
and refers to the action of God in withdrawing his presence from an area
of primordial space to as to make room for the Creation.
see, it's an analogy. compare the definition above with zimmy's
introduction into the band.
--
{tumBLEweED}
this is a post from anglo waste:
Subject: Re: Article in RIP mag
From: ang...@cyberspace.org (Anglo Waste)
Date: 1996/11/20
Message-Id: <56v0qq$5...@Usenet.Logical.NET>
References: <19961119232...@ladder01.news.aol.com>
<329270...@norfolk.infi.net>
Organization: Cyberspace Communications
Newsgroups: alt.music.marilyn-Manson
In article <329270...@norfolk.infi.net>, peg...@norfolk.infi.net
wrote:
>Especially if you have seen the new Circus magazine with Manson on the
>cover. It claims to have exclusive interviews with Pogo, Ginger, Manson,
>and Zim Zum. But after reading the interviews, they all seem to be
>recycled crap or lies fabricated by what has been said either in rumors
>or Manson himself. An example is in the interview with Zim Zum he claims
>that after naming him the band discovred that, through coincidence, his
>name does fit in the formula. He says in surfing through the Internet
>they discovered a model in the 40's with the first name Zim and two
>serial killers, one in Japan and another in the States with the last
>name Zum. I must say that that sounds alot like the joke that ran on in
>this newsgroup after Zim Zum became a group member.
WoooHooo! Anglo Waste makes it into Circus magazine and they don't even
give
him credit for the quote! In case you missed it, here it is, and YES it
was a
joke!!!:
>Subject: Re: zim zum
>From: ang...@cyberspace.org (Anglo Waste)
>Date: 1996/09/13
>Organization: Cyberspace Communications
>Newsgroups: alt.music.marilyn-Manson
>
>In article <323962...@ix.netcom.com>, greg stallard <greg...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>how does zim zum fit into their formula for personal titles?
>
>You don't know the 1940's pinup girl Zim Kramer? Or the 1970's serial killer
>Raymond Zum? Boy, people just don't do their homework anymore...
>
> Anglo Waste
>(like I was built in one day)
Anglo Waste
(wonder if I could sue for them not giving me credit???)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Magenta & Prue
sco0...@aol.com (SCO0BY D0O) wrote:
>Fine! He is named after some angel (yeah right. That's a load of bullshit)
>Dude, I got my info from a FAQ. Now if the FAQ is wrong than I and
>EVERYONE else with the FAQ is wrong. And there are MANY people who have
>this FAQ according to the writer. And why the hell would it be some angel
>guy? ALL of the other members have a model for a first name and a killer
>for a last name. Why would he be different? And how did any of you know
>that he wasn't bullshitting you? I mean, he could have said he was Danny
>from Full House. If some dork came up to me and said "What's the origin of
>your name?" I would probably make up some bullshit story and see how far I
>could go with it. I think you got suckered dude.
Countless of interviews I read with Zimmy states that his namdcomes
from biblical times. Before God created anything the *space* was
referred to as zim zum. I have yet to read the angel theory. And the
serial killer/model thing was a ca-winkie-dink. So believe what you
wanna believe.
Magenta
Legion
>
>
> Countless of interviews I read with Zimmy states that his namdcomes
> from biblical times. Before God created anything the *space* was
> referred to as zim zum. I have yet to read the angel theory. And the
> serial killer/model thing was a ca-winkie-dink. So believe what you
> wanna believe.
>
There's an interview with Zim Zum, who goes on to say the above
written. Definately find and buy the magazine strictly for the
interview with Madonna Wayne. If you have never heard him speak or read
an interview with him you will most likely be surprised. He, like
Manson, is extremely intelligent and articulate. I met a guy who knew
him a couple of years ago, and he said that he dropped out of college,
where he was studying chemical engineering, to be in the band. I'm
certain he dropped college, but I may not be remembering his correct
major.
Mick Ronson
SCO0BY D0O wrote:
>
> Fine! He is named after some angel (yeah right. That's a load of bullshit)
> Dude, I got my info from a FAQ. Now if the FAQ is wrong than I and
> EVERYONE else with the FAQ is wrong. And there are MANY people who have
> this FAQ according to the writer. And why the hell would it be some angel
> guy? ALL of the other members have a model for a first name and a killer
> for a last name. Why would he be different? And how did any of you know
> that he wasn't bullshitting you? I mean, he could have said he was Danny
> from Full House. If some dork came up to me and said "What's the origin of
> your name?" I would probably make up some bullshit story and see how far I
> could go with it. I think you got suckered dude.
Bottom line... you're wrong.
-Mick-
Mandolyn
Why don't you read FAQ again before you make yourself
look even more like a retard.Read Tumbleweeds post.
Richard J. Lockney
Mandolyn
Some of these people are showing such signs of ignorence.
Well,Hell I get entertainment from them
(I guess thats good).This is getting quite old they're
wrong,wrong,wrong!<period>But I'm no better than them for posting
this..Shit!Contradiction is my contribution to the world.
"An idle mind is the devil's playground"
the...@ivory.trentu.ca
noxious fumes).. Multiple people from multiple citeis in seperate countries..
including those with reliable loose relations with the band have been told
first hand by Zimmie that his name is not in standard Manson format... Plus,
when Zim first joined the band there was the whole hurrah in interviews with
Manson as to why they didn't stay with the formula... thirdly... Have you not
been able to get it through your simian skull that every other band member has
an immediately identifiable name? They used FAMOUS women.. I for one have
never heard of a Zim... Just cause one ignorant person posted an FAQ doesn't
make him God.. maybe where he got his information was just as erroneous as you
are claiming everyone elses is.
Now go sit in the corner and think of what you have done
Zarathustra
Satan's Barbie
Ya!!! You tell em Zara!!! uhh... sorry, got carried away in the
moment... I'm gonna go play with Ken now...
Satan's Barbie
(Do I hear $50 for Prof. Faust's soul??? I'll trade for Pogs!!!)
--
ۥ-
Anglo Waste
In article <E2Iu3...@blaze.trentu.ca>, the...@ivory.trentu.ca wrote:
>In article <19961214162...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, sco0...@aol.com
> (SCO0BY D0O) writes:
>>Fine! He is named after some angel (yeah right. That's a load of bullshit)
>>Dude, I got my info from a FAQ. Now if the FAQ is wrong than I and
>>EVERYONE else with the FAQ is wrong. And there are MANY people who have
>>this FAQ according to the writer. And why the hell would it be some angel
>>guy? ALL of the other members have a model for a first name and a killer
>>for a last name. Why would he be different?
*ahem* I will state again, please listen this time. The *joke* I made up
about Zim Zum being part of a serial killer/model's name was just that: A
JOKE. I never expected it to make it into the FAQ or even Circus Magazine.
Here's what I wrote WAY back when:
>Subject: Re: zim zum
>From: ang...@cyberspace.org (Anglo Waste)
>Date: 1996/09/13
>Organization: Cyberspace Communications
>Newsgroups: alt.music.marilyn-Manson
>
>In article <323962...@ix.netcom.com>, greg stallard
<greg...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>how does zim zum fit into their formula for personal titles?
>
>You don't know the 1940's pinup girl Zim Kramer? Or the 1970's serial killer
>Raymond Zum? Boy, people just don't do their homework anymore...
>
> Anglo Waste
>(like I was built in one day)
Go look, dickheads. There was NEVER a "Zim Kramer" (Kramer name "borrowed"
from Seinfeld), or a "Raymond Zum" (made this one up too). Hehe, I love
watching shitheads like you argue over the havoc I wreaked over 4 months
ago!!!
Anglo Waste
('cause I'm a LIAR, a LIAR - Henry Rollins, one of MUNSEN's favorites)
Shawn Deats
On Tue, 17 Dec 96 23:23:46 GMT, ang...@cyberspace.org (Anglo Waste)
wrote:
> Anglo Waste
>('cause I'm a LIAR, a LIAR - Henry Rollins, one of MUNSEN's favorites)
Welcome back :)
Shawn
rogue
WHO CARES!?! It's his name for Christ's sake! I just want to see him get
set on fire like the last one....
SCO0BY D0O
Look people. I am SORRY. I just got my new Guitar School (Which by the way
has Marilyn Manson on the cover (not the whole cover tho)) and they
interview Mariyln, Twiggy, and Zim. And one of the Q's is where did Zim
get his name. And it said all of what you guys have been saying. Again I'm
sorry. Wow. You people like to flame a lot too. And the guy who made that
joke about Zim Kramer and Raymund Zum is a fucking turd. Damn him. But
again I AM SORRY. I AM SORRY. You were right and I am wrong. Now, can't we
all just get along?
P.S. There are a bunch a pics in the new Guitar School. I advise anyone
and everyone to pick it up. And notice how much Zim looks like a girl. He
looks like he'd be better as a girl too.
Satan's Barbie
Actually Zim has indeed been taking female hormones and seeing a very
"special" doctor on a somewhat regular basis...
-
Satan's Barbie
(takes plastic pills)-
ۥ-
Christian Hunter McClain
In article <32B91E...@passport.ca>, her...@passport.ca wrote:
>
> Actually Zim has indeed been taking female hormones and seeing a very
> "special" doctor on a somewhat regular basis...
> -
> Satan's Barbie
> (takes plastic pills)-
> ۥ-
Boy, wouldn't it be cool if Zim Zum actually had a sex change operation?
When I first saw him, i did actually wonder if he was female...
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Jag74
personally, i dont care where the name comes from, i just like saying it,
i like the way it feels on my tongue, it sounds like a piece of candy.
betty
CrazyKulzr
Learn to spell, my fiendish friend.
CrazyKulzr
By the way.. . It's Angel, fuckbrain