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= MARILLION FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS =
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Version 5.7
Compiled by
Jeroen Schipper


Part 1 of 2

INTRODUCTION

Welcome to the Marillion FAQ! The purpose of this FAQ is to
provide some basic background information about the band and their music.
This will (hopefully) prevent these questions from being asked over and
over again by new subscribers to the list, which can be irritating for
other readers who have seen the answers before. Many of the given answers
to the questions are taken from back issues of the Freaks digests. I'm
sorry, but I can't credit everyone whose explanations I used to put this
list together. It's teamwork!

Special thanks go to Brian Vogelsang for writing the first section and
proofreading this FAQ list, to Ken Bibb for proofreading and correcting
the second version and for setting up the automatic posting of the list.
To Geoff Parks who helped a lot with Garden Party / Fifteen Stone First
Footer / Geezabun and other questions! Thanks to Tim Glasswell for
providing the discography for the Europeans and How We Live.

Other thank-you's go to Jason Giles, Jose Garcia, John Nash, Kristine
Kuss, Micheal J. Loux, Jr., Steve Chew, David Halm, Steve Smoot, Magne
Bergland, Andrew Brooks, Jeremy Lawrence, Lorna Banks, Dan Newcombe, Ben
Jos Walbeehm, Kenneth Drew, Frans P. de Vries, Duncan J. Batey, Erwin
Gavic, John McCartney, Mikko Hanninen, Fraser Charlton, Tim Kirby, Tim
Hudson, Mike Collins, Tim Glasswell, Bert ter Steege, Angus Mair, Dave
Robbins, Per-Karsten A. Nordhaug, Julie Wynne and Tony Wood for their
feedback on the faq list. Thanks all!

Mention to Graham Orndorff for starting the original Freaks list. You are
remembered :). And mention to Ken Bibb who started fre...@bnf.com, when
Graham had to give up "his" list, and later moved it to arastar.com and
assisted in the move to ax.com. Also a big thank-you to Pierre-Yves Lochou
for converting this FAQ into hypertext format.

If you have any questions or comments, feel free to contact me via
electronic mail.

Freak on!

Jeroen Schipper (jer...@marillion.com)


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Subject: CONTENTS

0. General information on this FAQ list
0.1 What has changed since last time?
0.2 Where can I find the latest version of this list?
0.3 Copyright issues

1. E-mail server and anonymous ftp questions
1.1 What is fre...@ax.com?
1.2 How do I subscribe to the Freaks list?
1.3 What addresses do I need to know to use the listserver?
1.4 How do I receive the Freaks list in digest mode/bounce mode?
1.5 How do I unsubscribe to the Freaks list?
1.6 How do I post a message to the Freaks list?
1.7 Are any files available via an archive server at ax?
1.8 Can I request back issues from the mailinglist?
1.9 What else can I do with the listserver?
1.10 Where can I find Marillion-related files via ftp?
1.11 Where can I read Marillion info on the World Wide Web (WWW)?

2. General freaks-list information
2.1 What is netiquette?
2.2 What's this "old" list someone mentioned?
2.3 When is the new album coming out?
2.4 What do these abbreviations mean?
2.5 This list has T-shirts? Where can I get one?
2.6 Where can I find lyrics to this song?
2.7 Is there a complete discography available?

3. Marillion with Fish
3.1 Who started Marillion and when?
3.2 Where does the name Marillion come from?
3.3 Which band members were/are in Marillion?
3.4 Who's Mark Wilkinson?
3.5 What albums can be found on the cover of "Script" and "Fugazi"?
3.6 What are the spoken words in "Chelsea Monday"?
3.7 Can anyone explain the lyrics of "Garden Party"?
3.8 What does Fugazi mean?
3.9 What's Brixton Chess?
3.10 What is said in "Incubus"?
3.11 What does Slainte Mhath mean?
3.12 What's the story behind Geezabun?
3.13 Who are the people on the cover of "Clutching at Straws"?
3.14 What is the Fidra Lighthouse?
3.15 What's a raincheck?
3.16 Alternative Misplaced Childhood?!?!?! Please elaborate!!!!!!
3.17 What's the Heart of Lothian and the Royal Mile?
3.18 Three boats down from the Candy is where???
3.19 Fish shouts something at the beginning of Margaret, but what?

4. Marillion with Hogarth
4.1 When and why did Fish leave Marillion?
4.2 Who is Steve Hogarth and what did he do before Marillion?
4.3 What is a banquo?
4.4 What is a fifteen stone first-footer?
4.5 Will there be a reunion show with Fish?
4.6 Who is Privet Hedge?
4.7 What's Brave all about?
4.8 Who's John Helmer?
4.9 What is the French bit that's in between CSB and Beautiful?
4.10 I heard something of a Brave movie?
4.11 Isn't The Rakes Progress a painting?

5. CD's, books, videos and bootlegs
5.1 What studio albums and singles were released?
5.2 What books are there on Marillion?
5.3 What videos are there?
5.4 What's a bootleg?
5.5 How many bootlegs are there?
5.6 Where can I buy bootlegs?

6. Fanclubs
6.1 Addresses of Marillion fanclubs
6.2 What about the official bootlegs?

7. Other bands
7.1 I like Marillion. What other bands can you recommend?
7.2 How can I subscribe to another (related) musical mailinglist?


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Subject: 0.1 What has changed since the last version?

Version 4.2 is updated so it has the right information about the new
address for the freaks mailinglist (ax.com).

Version 5 of the FAQ is a long overdue update with the latest info about
the new marillion.com domain and a number of corrections / additions. I
also use a script now to generate the html version of the FAQ, to avoid
maintaining both a TXT and an HTML version.

If you find any incorrect/incomplete/just-not-there information in this list,
drop me a line!

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Subject: 0.2 Where can I find the latest version of this list?

The FAQ can be viewed on the Word Wide Web as:

http://www.marillion.com/faq/

This FAQ list is posted on a regular (monthly) basis to the newsgroup
news.answers and crossposted to some other newsgroups.

It is also available for ftp as

ftp://rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/usenet/news.answers/music/marillion-faq/part1
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/usenet/news.answers/music/marillion-faq/part2

It is also archived on the FAQ webserver at http://www.faqs.org which is
also an excellent location if you're looking for another faq!

You can get the list via e-mail by sending mail to mail-...@rtfm.mit.edu
with in the body:

send /pub/usenet/news.answers/music/marillion-faq/part1
send /pub/usenet/news.answers/music/marillion-faq/part2

Because of the size of this list it is split into two pieces.

You can also get it in one part from the Freaks mailinglist server. E-mail
freaks-...@ax.com with NO subject line, and the first line in the
body of the message left justified reading:

get freaks faq.1
get freaks faq.2

The FAQ should also be available on the CompuServe RockNet forum (GO ROCKNET).
If that version is out-of-date I'd appreciate if you can upload the latest
version there.

Lastly, this FAQ is included on the Wallnut Creek Internet CD Rom and
various other Internet CD roms I've seen, but those are not the latest
version. It is supposedly also printed in some Internet books, but I
haven't seen it yet.

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Subject: 0.3 Copyright issues

This FAQ copyright by Jeroen Schipper. It may be electronically distributed
on an unlimited scale, feel free to upload it to a public news service if
you think it is appropriate. The only condition I put on distributing this
FAQ is that it is complete, no parts should be deleted and/or modified!

Use of this faq for commercial purposes or in any printed form is not allowed
without prior written permission of the author.

What this means in English is that if you want to reprint or quote the FAQ in
a book or on a CD-ROM, I want to know about it, in advance, and reserve the
right to put conditions on such activities.

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Subject: 1.1 What is fre...@ax.com?

fre...@ax.com is a mailing list for the discussion of Marillion, Fish,
related bands and topics.

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Subject: 1.2 How do I subscribe to the Freaks list?

E-mail freaks-...@ax.com with any subject line (the subject is ignored)
and the first line in the body of the message left justified reading:

subscribe freaks `your name here'

In place of `your name here' enter your REAL name, first and last. For
example, if your name was Sharon Stone you would say:

subscribe freaks Sharon Stone

Notice: you do NOT need to include your internet address in the message,
and please remember to keep the line left justified.

If you have problems, email freaks...@ax.com NOT fre...@ax.com.

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Subject: 1.3 What addresses do I need to know to use the listserver?

There are three addresses you need to know to properly use the listserver:

1. fre...@ax.com When you mail fre...@ax.com your email message is
sent to every person on the list. This is the
account that you email when you want to post a
message.

2. freaks-...@ax.com This is the address that you should use to
subscribe, unsubscribe, get help, or get
information or statistics about the listserver.
freaks-request uses the auto reply feature of
the listserver.

3. freaks...@ax.com This is the address that reaches the mailing
list owner. Use this if you have any questions
that the auto-reply freaks-request address
cannot solve.

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Subject: 1.4 How do I receive the Freaks list in digest mode/bounce mode?

There are two ways of receiving the Freaks mailinglist: bounce mode or
digest mode. Bounce mode means that every message that is sent to the
listserver is bounced back to you. It is easy to send replies this way.
Many people prefer receiving one daily digest that has all message combined.
This usually means it is harder to send replies, unless you have a reader
that can decode the digest (which is RFC1153 compliant).

To receive the list in digest format, email freaks-...@ax.com with
NO subject line, and the first line in the body of the message left justified
reading:

set freaks mail digest

To receive the list in bounce format, email freaks-...@ax.com with
NO subject line, and the first line in the body of the message left justified
reading:

set freaks mail ack

If you have problems, email freaks...@ax.com NOT fre...@ax.com.

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Subject: 1.5 How do I unsubscribe to the Freaks list?

Email freaks-...@ax.com with NO subject line, and the first line in
the body of the message left justified reading:

unsubscribe freaks

Notice: You do not need to include your internet address to unsubscribe.

If you have problems, email freaks...@ax.com NOT fre...@ax.com.

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Subject: 1.6 How do I post a message to the Freaks list?

Email fre...@ax.com with your message included. Your message will echo
to every person on the list. You should see your message included in the
next digest issue (if you are in digest mode) within 24hrs. If you are NOT
in digest mode, you WILL NOT RECEIVE A COPY OF YOUR POST. If you must see
a copy of your post send email to freaks-...@ax.com with NO subject
line, and the first line in the body of a message left justified reading:

set freaks mail ack

Please read section 2.1 for some general guides for posting to the
mailinglist.

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Subject: 1.7 Are any files available via an archive server at ax?

Yes, a large number of files can be requested from the Freaks listserver,
including this FAQ list, the bootleg list, a comprehensive Marillion tour
history file compiled by Bill Frech and the results of a Freaks poll done
in January 1994. There are also lots of lyrics and guitar tabs available.
To get an index of all available files, E-mail freaks-...@ax.com
with NO subject line, and in the body of the message left justified
reading:

index freaks

Getting files is easy:

E-mail freaks-...@ax.com with NO subject line, and in the body of the
message left justified the files you want to get:

get freaks faq
get freaks bootlist
etc...

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Subject: 1.8 Can I request back issues from the mailinglist?

To get a back issue, send Email to freaks-...@ax.com with NO subject
line and the first line in the body of the message left justified reading:

get freaks freaks.90

All back issues are listed in the index, see 1.7

Another way of viewing backissues is on the WWW. The Web Online has
an interface to read backissues at: http://www.marillion.com/freaks/

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Subject: 1.9 What else can I do with the listserver?

For more information on the listservers features, send Email to
freaks-...@ax.com with NO subject line and the first line in
the body of the message left justified reading:

help

For example, this will tell you how to request an overview of who is
subscribed to the mailinglist:

recipients freaks
statistics freaks

The recipients command will list all subscribers including their full name.
Statistics will show you how many messages each subscriber has posted to
the list. To be excluded from the recipients list, you can use the "conceal
no" command on the listserver.

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Subject: 1.10 Where can I find Marillion related files via ftp?

Several Marillion and Fish related files can be found at the ftp site:

ftp://ftp.uwp.edu

This is an anonymous ftp site; this means you use "anonymous" as a
login, and your own email address as the password. The directory to look
for is:

ftp://ftp.uwp.edu/pub/music/lists/marillion/ or
ftp://ftp.uwp.edu/pub/music/artists/m/marillion/

Use dir to see the files available. Many files are compressed with Unix
compress(1), which adds the .Z extension to the files. Use uncompress to
restore the files. uncompress also exists for other operating systems
including OS/2 and DOS.

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Subject: 1.11 Where can I read Marillion info on the World Wide Web (WWW)?

The official Marillion homepage (The Web Online) can be found on the web
as: http://www.marillion.com/.

Marillion's record company, Racket Records, also has a website (The Racket
Club Online) which offers information on both the band and Racket Records,
and sells the Official Bootlegs and other Racket Records releases online
at: http://marillion.co.uk/

These pages are part of the Marillion Web Ring which is a chain of all
registered Marillion websites. Simply follow the chain to visit all the
pages!

An index of all registered sites in the Web Ring can be found
on http://www.webring.org/cgi-bin/webring?ring=marillion;index;id=1

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Subject: 2.1 What is netiquette?

Netiquette is general guidelines on good behavior while using the
Internet. Everybody on the Freaks list is kindly asked to keep this in
mind. A short summary:

Signatures:
4 or 5 lines will suffice. Longer signatures usually bother people,
especially those who read the digest format of Freaks.

Posting personal messages:
Keep in mind that whatever message you post will bounce to everybody
on the list. Posting personal messages is not appreciated and should
be avoided whenever possible.

Posting test messages:
Don't! Messages like "Is this list still running?" are very
irritating to others. If the list is still running and you don't
receive any mail, you're probably not subscribed (anymore). Try
resubscribing or contacting the listowner. You can also request an
overview of who is subscribed to the list by using the freaks-request
auto reply feature. See section 1.3 for more info. Remember, there
is always a chance the list may be temporarily down.

Quoting:
When quoting someone else's message, quote only the part to which you
are responding. Leave out the rest (like the signature of the other
person), as it is a waste of bandwidth and annoys other people.

Flaming:
Sending unfriendly messages to Freaks is called flaming. Flaming is never
appreciated so don't. If you really must send a flame then do it using
private e-mail. A number of flame wars terrorized Freaks in the past,
help us to keep Freaks flame-free!

Please keep these basic guidelines in mind when posting to Fre...@ax.com
(and any other mailing list or UseNet as well).

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Subject: 2.2 What's the "old" list someone mentioned?

Back in October 1990, Graham Orndorff started the Marillion mailing list
Freaks, at andrew.cmu.edu. This list ran successfully for quite a while,
but at some point Graham stopped moderating it when he got a job in the
"real world" which demanded all of his time. Nobody was able to contact
him anymore but the list went on. (Un)subscribing was no longer possible
as it was not automated but done by Graham himself. This runaway list went
on for quite a while, but died a slow death.

Every now and then Graham's Ghost still reappears on the mailinglist... ;)

In September 1992, Ken Bibb started a parallel list at bnf.com. That list
ran good for a while, but it was moved again in August 1994 to arastar.com.
In february 1996 the list was moved to ax.com, Ken no longer had the
time to run the list on his machine. The list is now run by Brian Vogelsang
and Jeroen Schipper.

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Subject: 2.3 When is the new album coming?

To know the answer to this question, subscribe to the Freaks mailinglist
and read it on a regular basis. "The New Album" is always a hot topic
and as soon as it is released somewhere is the world (though usually
first in Europe) you'll read about it.

Up-to-date information about the new album can always be found on
the Web Online pages in the news section: http://www.marillion.com/news/
and directly from Marillion in the News section of The Racket Club Online
at: http://marillion.co.uk/

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Subject: 2.4 What do these abbreviations mean?

Often people do not type the whole title of an album they are referring
to, but use acronyms like CaS, HiY and SftM instead. This can be confusing
for people who have just subscribed, and also for people who 'lost the
thread'. I prefer writing the first word in full and abbreviating the
rest, which makes the acronyms easier to understand.

CaS = Clutching_aS = Clutching at Straws
HiY = Hooks_iY = Hooks in You
SftM = Songs_ftM = Songs from the Mirror
AOS = Afraid of Sunlight

Further, a lot of "regular" net acronyms are used. More comprehensive
lists are available:

IMO = In My Opinion
IMHO = In My Humble/Honest Opinion
FYI = For Your Information
RSN = Real Soon Now

Smileys are also used a lot (turn you head 90 degrees to the left):

:-) Smile! [often means "this was meant humorously"]
;-) Wink [often means you're being sly or that you've
just said an inside joke]
8^) One of the endless variations |*)

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Subject: 2.5 This list has T-shirts? Where can I get one?

At times Jason Giles offers T-shirts for purchase by the members of the
Freaks list and Marillion/Fish fans in general. So far there has been
an "All the Best FREAKS Are Here" shirt, a Fish solo shirt, and also a
Hogarth Marillion shirt. He sometimes carries extras so it never hurts
to ask. When he re-orders the shirts, he will post to the net with all
the pertinent information.

At the moment of the release of this list, Jason is designing no less than
TWO new shirts. You can contact him at: jgi...@crl.com. To see some of the
designs, go to: http://www.crl.com:80/~jgiles/shirts.html.

[Note from the editor: these shirts are great! check'em out if you can!]
[Agreed! Buy the whole set!! Wear them to progfests for easy
identification!--kbibb]

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Subject: 2.6 Where can I find lyrics to this song?

Some time ago Jose Garcia put together a lyrics book that contains every
single lyric available for both Marillion and Fish.

He says: "The idea was to have a high quality document with all the
lyrics, and being these as accurate as possible, not the official versions
that appear on the CD booklets or the LPs."

The lyrics book is available via anonymous ftp. See question 1.8 for more
info on ftp. For more information about the book, see:

ftp://ftp.uwp.edu:/pub/music/lists/marillion/lyrics-book/0_README

The book is in postscript format and has several nice logos included; it
looks really nice! Jose is working on a plain ASCII version of the book,
which he'll upload to the ftp site as soon as it is finished. Before
downloading the lyrics-book, get the above mentioned readme file.

NOTE: Many people have difficulties printing the PS book, because of its
size. Unfortunately Jose Garcia did not leave the sources behind,
we're still trying to get a hold of him (he left the Internet).
However I have paper proof at home that the current ps files *do*
print, if you have a printer with enough memory!

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Subject: 2.7 Is there a complete discography available?

Yes - there is a comprehensive discography available. Is is maintained by
Bert ter Steege (be...@te.xs4all.nl) and can be viewed on the World Wide Web
as:

http://people.zeelandnet.nl/steege/

The documents will also be made available thru the mailserver of Freaks.

At the end of the sections 3 and 4 there's a brief listing of which
albums and singles were released.

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Subject: 3.1 Who started Marillion and when?

The very beginning was a band called 'Electric Gipsy', started in 1979
with Mick Pointer, Doug Irvine and Andy Glass.

In 1979 Steve Rothery (guitars) joined Mick Pointer (drums), Doug Irvine
(bass), and local keyboardist Brian Jelliman in an instrumental band. There
was also a guitar player and a keyboardist, but that didn't last more than
a week. Their names are unknown. There was no singer, but in the winter of
79/80, Doug took up the vocals and they recorded their first demo which
included the songs "Alice" and "Lady Fantasy". These demos, and some
instrumentals can be found on the bootleg "Haunters Having Lots of Fun" (see
the section on bootlegs).

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Subject: 3.2 Where does the name Marillion come from?

When the band needed a name, the book "Silmarillion" by J.R.R. Tolkien
happened to be laying on the table so the band decided to call themselves
"Silmarillion". Later, to avoid legal problems, they dropped the "Sil"
part and "Marillion" was born.

It may be a coincidence, but Tolkien also once gave a speach on Beowulf.
This is the classic story on wich the song Grendel is based. The speach
is considered a landmark in Anglo-Saxon studies.

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Subject: 3.3 Which band members were/are in Marillion?

Here's a short overview of all member changes Marillion have had:

Joined Left
1979: Steve Rothery (guitars) 19 Aug 1979 ---
Mick Pointer (drums) ??? 18 Apr 1983
Doug Irvine (bass + vocals) ??? ?? Nov 1980
Brian Jelliman (keyboards) ?? Oct 79 ???

1981: Diz Minnit on bass 2 Jan 1981 26 Mrt 1982
Derek William Dick (Fish) vocals 2 Jan 1981 12 Sep 1988
Mark Kelly on keyboards 28 Nov 1981 ---

1982: Pete Trewavas on bass 28 Mrt 1982 ---

1983: Andy Ward on drums 12 May 1983 8 Aug 1983
John Martyr was on drums ?? Aug 1983 ?? Aug 1983
Jonathan Mover on drums 25 Sep 1983 12 Oct 1983

1984: Ian Mosley on drums 1 Jan 1984 ---

[...]

1988: Fish leaves Marillion and goes solo in the game... 12 Sep 1988

1989: Steve Hogarth on vocals 2 Feb 1989 ---

This leaves the current line as:

Steve Hogarth (vocals) (born 14 May, 1956 in Kendal)
Pete Trewavas (bass) (born 15th January, 1959 in Middlesbrough)
Ian Mosley (drums) (born 16th June, 1953 in Paddington, London)
Mark Kelly (keyboards) (born 9th April, 1961 in Dublin)
Steve Rothery (guitars) (25th November, 1959, Brampton, S-Yorkshire)

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Subject: 3.4 Who's Mark Wilkinson?

Mark Wilkinson is an artist who has done the cover art of every Marillion
album and single (up to Clutching at Straws). Recently, he has done cover
art for Fish's first 2 solo albums and singles. The concepts for the
paintings always come from Fish, and usually contain many symbols that are
somehow related to the lyrics.

The album covers are extremely detailed, and only come to their right on
LP's (the CD booklets are just too small). The covers of the singles are
usually much simpler and less detailed.

Mark Wilkinson has also done album covers for other bands. Recently he
did the cover for Judas Priest's albums "Ram It Down", "Painkiller" and the
single "A Touch of Evil".

Fish's cover album "Songs from the Mirror" was not done by Wilkinson. He
and Fish decided they "needed a break" from each other. Rumors say that
Wilkinson _will_ do the cover of the forthcoming album "Suits".

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Subject: 3.5 What albums can be found on the cover of "Script" and "Fugazi"?

On the back of the album "Script for a Jester's Tear" you will see the
following albums lying on the floor (from left to right):

"Do You Dream in Color?" - Bill Nelson
"Saucerful of Secrets" - Pink Floyd
"He Knows You Know" - Marillion
"Market Square Heroes" - Marillion

On "Fugazi" there are also some albums on the floor (left to right):

"Punch and Judy" - Marillion
"The Wall" - Pink Floyd
"Fool's Mate" - Peter Hammill
"Over" - Peter Hammill

The paintings that are hanging on the wall on Fugazi are real paintings
that were painted by Mark Wilkinson's wife.

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Subject: 3.6 What are the spoken words in Chelsea Monday?

In the beginning of the song you hear a man selling newspapers. What
exactly is said is not clear. According to Fish it is:

"Evening Standard: final one!"

This may not be correct. More accurate is:

"Evening Standard: late one!"

or:

"News or Standard: late one!"

The speaker of the words is a Newspaper seller who, in London, stands
outside the subway stations selling evening papers to commuters on their
way home. The Evening Standard is a well known London newspaper published
in two editions. The Evening News was around for many years; it met it's
end when the London Area could no longer support two multiple-edition
evening newspapers (both the *Evening* Standard and Evening News were just
that - newspapers published during the afternoon for people to read in the
evening; there would be at least three editions of each published...)

For quite a while the Standard had "Evening News" in small type at the top
of the paper on the front page; it may well be that the Standard actually
"bought out" the News.

Halfway through the song, the following text is spoken, it describes what
was in the newspaper:


VOICE: "Hello John, did you see The Standard about four hours ago?
Fished a young chick out of the Old Father
Blonde hair, Blue eyes
She said she wanted to be an actress or something
Nobody knows where she came from, where she was going
Funny thing was she had a smile on her face
She was smiling
What a waste!"

The Old Father is the river Thames, which runs through London, including
the Chelsea Area.

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Subject: 3.7 Can anyone explain the lyrics of Garden Party?

Garden Party seems to raise many questions, therefore I have included
a long -but good- explanation of this song. I have included the full
message that was posted to the (old) Freaks list on March 13, 1991, by
Geoff Parks. Later he made some modifications to the original message:

[=== Start of included message ===]

> Anyway, on with today's song : 'Garden Party' [insert kermit's "yeeee-
> aaah" here].

Having spent 8 years of my life at Cambridge University I am in a good
position to pontificate about this one!

> I won't offend your intelligence by stating what the subject of this
> song is supposed to be :-) .

> invites call the debs to play : this is an idiom I am totally unfami-
> liar with. Anybody ?

`Deb' is short for debutant. By tradition, the daughters of the `ruling
class' in Britain are presented at court (i.e., introduced to the king or
queen) when they reach the age of 18 - they make their debut in social
circles, hence the term `debutant'. Over the summer which following this
these debutants attend all the `essential' social events and each host a
`coming out' party. The object of all this is to find a husband. It is all
a very elaborate mating ritual!

By extrapolation the term deb is applied to any girl from the upper
classes whose main purpose in life seems to be to find a rich (or
potentially rich) husband. There are lots of these at Cambridge!

> edgy eggs ??? Cumbers : in Latin 'cumbere' means 'to lie down'. Is
> this too far-fetched ? It would fit in nicely with the slumber.
> Or does 'cumber' exist in English ? If so, what does it mean ?

`Cumber' is short for cucumber (the salad vegetable). Two of the most
common delicacies at garden parties are cucumber sandwiches and egg
sandwiches. In Britain the construction of a sandwich is much simpler than
here in the US - it is: slice of bread, butter, filling, butter, slice of
bread. At the `best' garden parties such sandwiches will have had the
crusts removed and be cut into little triangles. Many hundreds of these
will be consumed hence `The Great Cucumber Massacre' sub-title.

> The 'Cam' waters. I don't get this one.

The river which flows through Cambridge is the River Cam.

> The first verse clearly pictured the preparations. But you all knew
> that.

> Straafed, eaves : anyone can give the meaning (my guess at straafed is
> that it means 'tortured'. eaves, like in eavesdropping ??)

Straaf is originally a German word I believe. I've always understood it
to mean `to bomb to bits' or something similarly destructive.

During WWII, Stukas were known for their straafing runs. Think back to
the old WWII movie footage of the fighter swooping down and firing bullets
down a road, across a field, etc. That is strafing.

Eaves are the part of the roof that hangs over the wall. The area
underneath the eaves is called the eavesdrop.

> Punting on the Cam : Is Cam a game of sorts ? played in water ?
> Beagling ? Rugger is the tops ?

`Punting' is a leisure pursuit. A punt is long shallow rectangular boat.
This is propelled along the river by standing at one end with a long pole
which one pushes against the river bed. It takes quite a bit of practice
to get the thing to go in a straight line. Usually a bunch of friends go
punting. Each takes a turn doing the `driving'. The others sit in the punt
talking, drinking, trying to catch ducks etc. On a nice day and in the
right company it is actually quite a pleasant way to while away the hours.

`Beagling' is a low budget version of foxhunting. A beagle is a type of
dog similar to a fox hound. To go beagling one assembles a pack of these
dogs and a bunch of hunters (on foot) and sets off across the fields in
search of a hare, rabbit or some similarly inoffensive creature. I knew
someone who used to go beagling at Cambridge and, as far as I know, they
never actually managed to catch anything. They did however get lots of
exercise and large cleaning bills out of it!

Rugger is another name for rugby (the game). The two most important sports
played in Cambridge are rowing and rugby. University sport in Britain has
nowhere near the status it does in the US but the annual rowing and rugby
contests between Oxford and Cambridge (the Boat Race and the Varsity
Match) are televised nationally. `Rugger is the tops' simply means `rugby
is the most enjoyable sport'. Incidentally, the term `rucking' which
appears in the song is a technical term from rugby.

> I guess ye can all see I haven't experienced one of these parties yet.
> Lucky me !

> To chalk another blue ?
> Come on guys, enlighten me !

A `blue' is a sporting honour. To obtain a blue you have to represent
Cambridge University against Oxford in a major sport. You could be in the
team all year but if you miss the Oxford game due to injury you don't get
your blue. The major sports are rowing, rugby, football (aka soccer),
cricket, (field) hockey, boxing + perhaps one or two others. If you
represent the university in a minor sport (eg. tennis, squash, badminton,
ice hockey, basketball...) you get a `half-blue'. Receiving a blue
entitles you to numerous privileges, such wearing a hideous light blue
blazer (dark blue at Oxford), and gives you considerable status amongst
those who consider athletics more important than academics.

[=== End of included message ===]

Further comments added later:

Thus `Angie chalks another blue' can on one level be interpreted as
meaning that Angie is a sort of sports groupie, who is perhaps trying to
sleep with all the members of the university rugby team and has just
succeeded in bedding another player - and chalked up (tallied) this
conquest on her personal score sheet.

In addition, this line can also be taken as a reference to snooker (a game
with some basic similarities to pool which is popular among the upper
classes in Britain). One of the balls used in snooker is blue. Also the
chalk rubbed on the tips of the cues used in snooker is blue - so
conceivably this line contains all sorts of phallic imagery!

Furthermore:

[actually, I've heard that it's slang for taking uppers, ie blues.
there are other references to blues in Quadraphenia.--kbibb]

[There is a simpler explanation. Here in England someone who is somehow
connected with the royal family, or a Lord, Peer, etc., is said to be "blue
blooded". Hence "blue" from the song.--Paul Irvine]

So, in conclusion, this one line (four words) manages to make allusions to
three different aspects of upper class decadence - a fine example of
Fish's lyrical brilliance.

All lyrics were written by Fish. He says on the subject: "The Garden Party
lyric was actually written in Ettrickbridge in Scotland before I joined the
band.It came from my experiences in Cambridge with Diz Minnitt."

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Subject: 3.8 What does Fugazi mean?

Fugazi is a word that was used by Americans in Vietnam, and is slang
concerning those who died in ambush (something like that), so the acronmym
is Fucked Up, Got Ambushed, Zipped In.

This explains pretty well what Fish is trying to say with the album: "This
world is totally fugazi". Fugazi is close to a popular net-acronym, Foobar,
which is derived from Fubar and means "Fucked up beyond all recognition"
(sorry for the language...)

Fugazi is definately _not_ a vietnamese word as there is no Z in the
vietnamese alphabet.

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Subject: 3.9 What's Brixton Chess?

Brixton is a suburb of London where there were major riots in April 1981.
(These events coincided with the first Space Shuttle flight, which may
explain a lack of coverage in the US media.)

"Chess" has several levels of meaning. The chess game is used as a
metaphor for conflict in general. The riots were partly race riots (for
want of a better term), and "Chess" implicity refers to black and white in
opposition. It also suggests a larger game beyond the knowledge of the
pawns - this refers to the political power play in the background. An
inquiry into the riots partially blamed them on the economic policies of
Margaret Thatcher's Conservative government, which seemed to inflict the
poor with the economic cost of restructuring while leaving the more
affluent (the Conservatives' major supporters) relatively unscathed.

Which is all consistent with the themes of Fugazi.

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Subject: 3.10 What is said in "Incubus"?

The correct line is:

"An irritating speck of dirt that came from absolutely nowhere..."

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Subject: 3.11 What does "Slainte Mhath" mean?

Slainte Mhath means literally "Good Health" - slainte translates
vaguely as health, "mhath" is the feminine form of "math" (pron.
"maa"). In Scots Gaelic, we aspirate to make an adjective feminine.
Thus the name "Mairi" (Marie) is given extra feminine emphasis by
aspiration - "Mhairi" (pron. "Varry").

It is a gaelic word, too, which is where Fish picked it up. Irish, gaelic
(scottish), and welsh are all related languages.

Pronounce "slainte mhath" as Fish does - "Slanzh'va", and utter it
when someone buys you a drink!


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Subject: 3.12 What's the story behind Geezabun?

This is ancient Marillion history. It seems that once during a break
between songs (possibly while some technical problem was being fixed) Fish
entertained the audience at a gig with the following "joke":

Q: How does an elephant tell you it's hungry?

While impersonating an elephant, using his arm as a trunk, Fish gave
the answer:

A: It says "Geezabun".

[Explanatory notes for non-Brits:

1. "Geezabun" = "Give us a bun" said very fast by a Scotsman.

2. Many years ago children used to be allowed to feed buns to elephants
at British zoos, so buns are widely held to be part of the standard
elephant diet.

3. A bun is a fairly simple form of cake. There are two standard
varieties: the currant bun (slightly sweetened dough mixed with dried
currants) and the iced bun (slightly sweetened dough covered with
icing [frosting]). There are also specialist buns, eg. the
hot-crossed bun (traditionally eaten on Good Friday), Bath buns,
Chelsea buns etc.]

Anyway, the telling of this joke became standard procedure at Marillion
gigs and members of the audience would bombard the stage with buns at the
appropriate moment.

Note that the choir on Fish' version of "Fearless" is called Geezabun!
Also the bootleg "The Mask" contains a disc that has Geezabun on it (which
is the only recording available on bootleg). It's also on the "Live At
Sheffield City Hall" boot listed as "Anthem". This boot is the last date of
the Clutching_aS tour.

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Subject: 3.13 Who are the people on the cover of "Clutching at Straws"?

The people you see on the cover are all famous people that died of
drugs/alcohol. Fish was influenced by most of these people.

On the front from left to right:

Robert Burns, Dylan Thomas, Truman Capote and Lenny Bruce

On the back from left to right:

John Lennon, James Dean and Jack Kerouac

Here's the story behind those people:

James Dean died in a car crash, but was probably drunk when it happened.
He was an alcoholic and also used drugs. Jack Kerouac died of alcohol
poisoning, but also used drugs. Dylan Thomas also died of alcohol
poisoning. Truman Capote died of a combination of alcohol, drugs, and
whatever pills (probably suicide). Robert Burns died of alcohol poisoning,
Lenny Bruce died of an overdoses heroine... John Lennon does not exactly
fit in this (pleasant) group of people, he was not an alcoholic, nor a
heavy drugs user. But, as someone put it: he probably died of an overdose
of fame...

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Subject: 3.14 What is the Fidra Lighthouse?

From Warm Wet Circles:

"She nervously undressed in the dancing beams of the Fidra Lighthouse"

Fidra is a small rocky island just off the coast of East Lothian (East
of Edinburgh, Scotland). There is a nature reserve on this part of the
coast and is the type of place that people go "to be together" and
alone. It's a beautiful area. There is a small automatic lighthouse on
the island.

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Subject: 3.15 What's a raincheck?

In the song Sugar Mice, Fish explains that "daddy took a raincheck". A
raincheck is something that is given out:

- At events when it rains, like a baseball game. Usually it means the
game is being cancelled at the current time, and the raincheck will
allow you into the rescheduled game.

- When you go to buy something at a store and it is on sale. If
something is supposed to be on sale, but it's sold out, they can
give you a raincheck to pick the item up later at the sale price.

- When talking about social occasions, as in "Would you like to come
over for a drink?" "No thanks, I'll take a raincheck"
meaning either a) Can't do it right now, how about later. or b) a
polite way of saying bugger off.

Fish's use of the term "raincheck" goes even further. "Your daddy took a
raincheck", implies that "daddy" has no intentions of fulfilling his duties
and living up to his responsibilities (as a father?) at this time. (And
perhaps never will in the future either...) This is a key point. Daddy
is bowing out to his real or perceived pressures and leaving without any
excuses or other reasons. He just can't cope with his responsibilities, so
he takes a raincheck. So mom is left to raise the kids on her own, and
left to explain to the kids why dad left. Dad at this point, has lots of
problems of his own, and is a victim of society. He lost his job and spends
all of his time at the bar ("I'm number one at the end of the bar")... He
took a raincheck... Quite the powerful imagery, really...

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Subject: 3.16 Alternative Misplaced Childhood?!?!?! Please elaborate!!!!!!

The alternative part 1 to Misplaced Childhood is a non definite version of
Misplaced Childhood. It has other lyrics and slightly different music. It
was tried out on public in the beginning of 1985, as to check out how the
public's attitude was towards the new album. The different lyrics are mostly
Kayleigh, which sounds very different (and refreshing!). 'Lavender' was
missing in the early versions of MC.

The alternative MC is only available on bootlegs, like Garden Party UK 84
and Childhood Rehearsels.

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Subject: 3.17 What's the Heart of Lothian and the Royal Mile?

Lothian is the county/district in which Edinburgh is. Lothian is divided
in three parts: East, West and Mid. Dalkeith and Edinburgh are in MidLothian.
Saying you have a heart of Lothian is just saying where you come from.
However, there is also a 'real' Heart of Lothian:

The 'Heart of Lothian', full name 'Heart of Midlothian', is a mozaic heart
inlaid into the pavement (i.e. sidewalk) halfway up the Royal Mile in
Edinburgh, the nearest city to Fish's hometown of Dalkeith. The heart is
traditionally spat into when you walk past it, and is a symbol of local
pride. One of the Edinburgh football (i.e. soccer) teams was named 'Heart
of Midlothian' after it and Sir Walter Scott wrote a novel of the same
name last century. The Royal Mile, which is also referred to in the song
and is otherwise known as the High Street, is an, unsurprisingly, mile
long road that leads from Edinburgh Castle to Holyrood Palace in
Edinburgh. Holyrood House/Palace is the monarch's residence when he/she
visits, and the site of the annual Edinburgh Royal Garden Party. The Royal
Mile is no longer the main shopping street (that's Princes' Street), but
it is the heart of the city during the Edinburgh Festival, and is lined
with singularly picturesque buildings.

Also: Heart of Midlothian is a professional football team (soccer for you
yanks!) in Edinburgh, commonly known as Hearts. Fish is a fan of one of
Edinburgh's other teams, Hibernian, as you may have heard on the Electric
Bear CD where he refers to one of their very rare successes.

Even more: "The Heart of Midlothian" is a novel by Sir Walter Scott. He
also wrote "Ivanhoe." Maybe you've seen the movie of that? It's very good,
and the book is very good as well. In the book, Midlothian is the name of
a prison. I don't know if this is or was an actual prison in Scotland. I
think it's possible Fish was referring to the book when he wrote the song
"Heart of Lothian," but more likely he was only thinking of the heart of
Lothian that was mentioned here earlier, which is some kind of heart
embedded in the royal mile in Scotland.

And more info on the Heart of Lothian, added later:

1. The Heart of Midlothian was a real prison, pre-dating the book, heart in
the street, football club and song. It is this prison that Walter Scott
writes about, those as far as I know the events are fictious.

2. Given the wide number of uses of the phrase (book, football, etc)
(especially in that area of Scotland) I suspect Fish is merely using it as a
form of joke - using a familiar phrase twisted to his own meaning.

3. The Scots in general are very proud of their country and their home-town.
"I was born with a Heart of Lothian" is very much an echo of this pride, and
the nationalism that Fish has supported and encouraged since going solo.

4. Finally the phrase fits in well with the albums general theme (especially
side one) of "Happy Childhood, Unhappy Adulthood". Fish spent most of his
adult life (until quitting Marillion) outside Lothian, and the song is a
reference to a more happy time. Perhaps in retrospect we can see it as the
first signs of an unhappiness with Marillion?

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Subject: 3.18 Three Boats from the Candy is WHERE?

An explanation of the B'Sides track title "Three Boats Down from the Candy":

The song is about one-night stands, and in particular making love on
Brighton beach. The title refers to the girl in the story wanting a
memory of the night, however the boat next to them doesn't have a
name, the nearest one is named "The Candy" which is three boats away.

There is another explanation, maybe it's just a viewpoint at another level.
Fish once introduced the song during a concert with this explanation (not
the litteral transcription though):

"It's about those corporate Christmas party-type things where
opposite-sex coworkers often become drunk and, er, "sexually active"?
It's about friendships that get lost though stuff like that. I believe
"candy" is a reference to total happiness in a relationship, and "3
Boats Down" (besides being a metaphor for being
'so-close-and-yet-so-far' from "the candy") is a reference to the idea
that this particular party is supposed to be held on a beach, or
someone's ocean-front estate or something. So, this particular
incident between these two people is assumed to have occured in a boat."

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Subject: 3.19 Fish shouts something at the beginning of Margaret, but what?

What he says is "Moira Anderson eat your heart out". Moira Anderson is
a Scottish middle-of-the-road singer, who sings, among other things,
cloyingly sweet versions of Scottish traditional songs. "Loch Lomond" is
exactly the sort of thing she would sing - hence Fish's comment.

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Subject: 4.1 When and why did Fish leave Marillion?

Friday September 16, 1988 was a black day for Marillion fans. Fish
announced that he had left Marillion to start a solo career. It was
explained in a letter to the fanclub:

"During the process of writing the new album it became apparent
that differences, both musically and lyrically, between Fish and
the rest of the band were irreconcilable"

Fish said:

"I've had a brilliant 7 years with Marillion; however, recently the
musical directions of the band have diversified to such an extent
I realised the time had come to embark on a solo career"

The Fish-era was ended with the release of "The Thieving Magpie" which was
a double live album with tracks from 1982-1988, a thank-you to the fans.

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Subject: 4.2 Who is Steve Hogarth and what did he do before Marillion?

After Fish left Marillion, the band started auditioning new singers to
fill the empty place. Not much luck until Steve Hogarth showed up. He got
the job, but asked for a week to think it over. He agreed and 'Hogy'
became the new singer of Marillion. He also plays some keyboards, even at
live concerts, but singing is more important. Mark Kelly still does most
of the keyboards.

Before Marillion, Hogarth sang in several bands including 'The Europeans'
(which was firsty called 'Motion Pictures') and 'How we Live'. He also
played all the keyboards on the Australian avante-pop band Do Re Mi's first
album.

Here's a (pretty complete) discography of his pre-Marillion material:

DO RE MI
19?? Domestic Harmony CD Catalog CDV2367, Virgin UK

THE EUROPEANS

Line up: Ferg Harper : Bass, Lead and Backing Vocals
Steve Hogarth : Keys, Lead and Backing Vocals
Colin Woore : Guitar, Backing Vocals
Geoff Dugmore : Drums, Backing Vocals

Discography:

7" 1982 The Animal Song/ Someone's Changing A&M AMS 9239
12" 1982 A.E.I.O.U (extended "Animal Soup")
Voice on the Telephone/
A.E.I.O.U (album version) A&M AMX 113
LP 1983 VOCABULARY A&M AMLX 68 558
12" 1983 American People/ Going to Work(long
version)/Someone's Changing/ New
Industry A&M AMX 158
7" 1983 American People/ Going to Work A&M AMS ???
?? 1983 A Side recognition (US Remix) AMX 138A
?? 1983 AA Side recognition (European Remix) AMX 138A

7" 1984 Recognition/ New Industry A&M AMS 9714
LP 1984 LIVE (Limited Edition) A&M SCOT 1
7" 1984 Acid Rain/ edits from Recurring
Dreams A&M FREE 1 (promo)
LP 1984 RECURRING DREAMS A&M AMA 5034
7" 1984 Listen/ Climb The Wall A&M 201
12" 1984 Listen/ Climb The Wall (Clear Vinyl) A&M 201

HOW WE LIVE

7" 1986 Working Girl/ In The City Portrait HWL1
MC 1986 Working Girl/ & Interview (promo) Portrait XPC 650088
12" 1986 All the Time In the World/ All the
Time (7" vers.)/ Lost At Sea Portrait PRT 650088 6
7" 1986 All the Time In the World/ Lost at Sea Portrait PRT 650088 7
LP 1987 DRY LAND Portrait PRT 450618 1
12" 1987 Games In Germany/ Lost At Sea/ India Portrait PRT ????????


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Subject: 4.3 What is a banquo?

In the song Uninvited Guest Hogarth sings: "I'm the Banquo at your
banquet".

In Shakespeare's Macbeth, Banquo is one of Macbeth's friends. Eventually
(you'll have to read the whole thing to find out the details) Macbeth has
him killed. Later, Banquo's ghost (or many say just a 'mad vision' of a
ghost that Macbeth has) shows up at a banquet he is holding in honor of
Macbeth's ascension to the Scottish throne. Macbeth goes crazy, because he
thought he had had Banquo killed. It's a great play (plug) as is just
about anything by Shakespeare (plug plug). A must-read for anyone who just
LOVES Hogarth's (or John Helmer's) lyrics. :)

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Subject: 4.4 What is a fifteen stone first-footer?

Also from Uninvited guest: "I'm your fifteen stone first-footer".

First-footer is a Scottish term relating to the New Year (Hogmanay). A
first-footer is a person who is the first person to enter your house on
January 1st. That persons would be about 15 stone (which is 15 * 14 = 210
pounds). When this person comes into your house, you must give him all the
food he/she wants! In other words, after The Bells (midnight on 31
December) you have to ensure that your "first footer" is a tall person who
should be carrying a small lump of coal, which would traditionally go onto
your fire (remember it's cold and dark at New Year in Scotland!). The
early hours of 1 January are traditionally spent going from house to house
in your neighbourhood visiting people and welcoming in the New Year
(drinking!).

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Subject: 4.5 Will there be a reunion show with Fish?

There has been a rumor that EMI once suggested a reunion show. Rothery and
Kelly were vehemently against it, Hogarth and Trewavas were for it, and
Mosley was ambivalent, so they decided to can the idea. It's not totally
impossible there'll be a reunion show, but don't wait up...

The closest thing to a reunion was a charity single that both Fish and
Marillion took part in. The single "Sailing" (by Rock Against
Repatriation) was recorded on two days, many British bands and singers
took part. Marillion and Fish were invited to come on different days,
Marillion was not informed that Fish also took part, and Fish wasn't
informed about Marillion as well...

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Subject: 4.6 Who is Privet Hedge?

Cristopher Hedge (which is his real name) has been with the band for many
years and he takes care of the sound at concerts (at the mixing table) and
also in the studio. There is an interview in Fanzine 2 of the Dutch Marillion
Fanclub (spring '92). It is mainly about the kind of equipment he uses.

Privet is an actual word and it is a small shrub or bush that is used for
hedges around yards. Not surprisingly it's mainly a british word.

PRIVET n. any of a genus of shrubs or trees of the olive family, with
bluish-black berries and spikes of white flowers, often grown for
hedges. Also called Lingustrum vulgare (the common privet).

So the name Privet is a nickname given jokingly because of the guy's
surname.

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Subject: 4.7 What's Brave all about?

Here are some fragments from an on-stage interview with Hogarth and Pete
Trewavas, that was done before the album was released:

(To Pete:) "Can you describe the new album?". Pete starts talking about the
music: "Brave" is gonna be a concept album like Misplaced_CH, one long
piece of music. Quite specific, he said it was gonna be 64 minutes (yeah!).
It has 19 tracks, some of which are just bridges between the real songs.
And there are no hitsingles on it, they're pretty much doing what they
want.

(To Hogarth:) "What's the album lyrically about?". Hogy tells a long story:
He lived in Bath (I think it was) for a while and one day he heard a police
message on the radio. The police had found a young girl wandering on a
highway bridge (which is illegal). The girl was in some kind of shock
and wouldn't talk at all, so the police didn't know her name. That's why
they were asking on the radio if anybody knew that girl. This what the
album is about, Hogy said he was very touched by this. And before he gave
back the microphone he said "and may I add that this is just gonna be
he best piece of music we've ever made!".

Initially the title of the album was "Severn", as the highway bridge
mentioned above was a bridge over the river Severn.

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Subject: 4.8 Who's John Helmer?

John Helmer has written several lyrics for Marillion since Fish left. He
already write some lyrics before Hogarth joined the band. Hogarth writes
many lyrics as well, but John Helmer is always around to help out (which
is why Hogy has referred to him as "John Helper" ;). Most of the lyrics
to Seasons End were written by John Helmer.

The following info is supplied by Jonathan, a friend of John Helmer:

John Helmer did his degree (in English I think) at Sussex University at the
same time he played in a band in Brighton the "Piranhas" - he was a
guitarist/vocalist/songwriter. They had a hit with "Tom Hark" then JH left
to form 'Pookiesnackenburger' with Nick Dwyer, who was from another
Brighton band "Nicky and the dots". This band had a sort of rock comedy TV
series and did a Heineken ad for tv, playing the trashcans (as you would
say in the US, dustbins over here). Nick is now in Stomp and John, of
course writes lyrics. I was introducing John to the Internet after
watching 'The Lambrettas' and thought, having had a few beers, that I ought
to add something. I have no news of future lyrics or Marillion events but
John is trying to get his first novel published.

- Jonathan

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Subject: 4.9 What is the French bit that's in between CSB and Beautiful?

The French bit:

"Le soleil emergea de la montagne, les vagues se deroulerent sur la
baie, de fabuleux oiseaux de couleurs flamboyantes s'envolerent. Et
bien, nous sommes tous de jolis anges ensemble au paradis. Couche-toi
mon cheri tu vas bien apprecier cela."

The litteral English translation:

"And the sun rises over the mountain, and the waves crash on the bay,
and marvellous birds of bright colours fly away from the forest. And
she says we are all pretty angels together in paradise. Lie down my
dear you will enjoy this."

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Subject: 4.10 I heard something of a Brave movie?

Yes, there is a movie that was made after the release of Brave. The backcover
of the box says:

"Brave... The Movie is a fifty minute concept film directed by cult movie
director Richard Stanley. It is Stanley's stark vision of young life in
the 90's inspired by Marillion's album of the same name, which centres
around a teenage girl (Josie Ayers) who is found wandering in a state of
amnesia on the Severn Bridge, and her consequent search for her past.

Although this story bears similarities to actual recorded incidents in the
history of the Severn Bridge we wish to stress that this is a work of
fiction. In addition to the film, this programme includes a thirty minute
documentary on the making of Brave along with behind the scenes footage.

WATCH IT LOUD WITH THE LIGHTS OFF"

It was broadcast by a German television channel (RTL+), which has some
German subtitles, but has all the original soundrecordings.

It has also aired (at least) once in the UK, on a program called "Cue
the Music" which was a late night music show on ITV (or HTV).

Tony Wood: 'I remember there being adverts in it) and I think they had cut
some of it. IIRC it was not explicitly listed as "Brave - the movie" but
it was shown in a series of music programs along the lines of "In
Concert" and it was only when you read further in the listing it told
you what it was.'.

The released version is censored, some scenes were rather shocking. In one
scene Steve Hogarth is raping the girl, in another scene a drugs needle is
inserted in her arm. These scenes are cut in the commercial version that is
in the stores, but these scenes still existed in the version that was on
RTL+.

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Subject: 4.11 Isn't The Rakes Progress a painting?

There was an article in one of the Sunday papers last week about the
artist William Hogarth, who - many freaks point out - was the man behind The
Rakes Progress. The Rakes P is actually a series of 9 paintings (ok, I thought
it was a book). A rake is a 'debauchee or immoral man', as my dictionary
would have it, and the paintings tell the story of the young man who is
heir to his father's estate, but who squanders all the money and gambles to
repay his creditors, whilst getting even further in debt. Eventually he
ends up in a debtors prison with a fainting mistress and her illegitimate
child, with more people demanding their money from him.
(Paul Walmsley)

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Subject: 5.1 What studio albums and singles were released?

Not even close to a discography, but a head start anyway. This list is not
in exact chronological order, but pretty close. All albums are in
CAPITALS, singles are not.

MARILLION WITH FISH:

1982 Market Square Heroes/Three Boats Down From the Candy/Grendel
1983 SCRIPT FOR A JESTER'S TEAR
Side 1: Script for a Jester's Tear/He Knows You Know/The Web
Side 2: Garden Party/Chelsea Monday/Forgotten Sons
1983 He Knows You Know/Charting the Single
1983 Garden Party/Margaret

1984 FUGAZI
Side 1: Assassing/Punch and Judy/Jigsaw/Emerald Lies
Side 2: She Chameleon/Incubus/Fugazi
1984 Punch and Judy/Market Square Heroes/Three Boats down from the Candy(*)
1984 Assassing/Cinderella Search

1984 REAL TO REEL (live)
Side 1: Assassing/Incubus/Cinderella Search/Emerald Lies (**)
Side 2: Forgotten Sons/Garden Party/Market Square Heroes

1985 MISPLACED CHILDHOOD
Side 1: Pseudo Silk Kimono/Kayleigh/Lavender/Bitter Suite
i) Brief Encounter ii) Lost Weekend iii) Blue Angel
iv) Misplaced Rendezvous V) Windswept Thumb/
Heart of Lothian i) Wide Boy ii) Curtain Call
Side 2: Waterhole (Expresso Bongo)/Lords of the Backstage/
Blind Curve i) Vocal Under A Bloodlight ii) Passing
Strangers iii) Mylo iv) Perimeter Walk v) Threshold
Childhood's End?/White Feather
1985 Kayleigh/Lady Nina (the 12" also featured a remix of Kayleigh)
The single version of Kayleigh is a little different from the
album version, with a shorter guitar solo.
1985 Lavender/Freaks/Lavender Blue(12" only) (Lavender is a little different
than the album version (longer guitar solo))
1985 Heart of Lothian/Chelsea Monday (live) (the 12" has an instrumental
version of Windswept Thumb as intro)
1986 Lady Nina/Heart of Lothian (rerelease only in USA)

1986 BRIEF ENCOUNTER (live) (LP only)
Side 1: Lady Nina/Freaks/Kayleigh (Live)
Side 2: Fugazi (Live)/Script For A Jester's Tear (Live)

1987 CLUTCHING AT STRAWS
Side 1: Hotel Hobbies/Warm Wet Circles/That Time of the Night
(The Short Straw)/Going Under(**)/Just For The Record/
White Russian
Side 2: Incommunicado/Torch Song/Slainte Mhath/Sugar Mice
The Last Straw/(Happy Ending)
1987 Incommunicado/Going Under/Alternative Incommunicado (12" only)
1987 Sugar Mice/Tux On
1987 Warm Wet Circles(***)/White Russian (live)

1988 B'SIDES THEMSELVES
Side 1: Grendel/Charting the Single/Market Square Heroes
Three Boats Down From the Candy
Side 2: Cinderella Search/Lady Nina/Freaks/Tux On/Margaret(Live)

1988 THE THIEVING MAGPIE (LA GAZZA LADRA) (live)
Side 1: Intro (La Gazza Ladra)/Slainte Mhath/He Knows You Know
Chelsea Monday
Side 2: Misplaced Childhood Part 1 and 2 (part 2 only on the CD)
Side 3: Jigsaw/Punch & Judy/Sugar Mice/Fugazi
Side 4: Script For A Jester's Tear/Incommunicado/White Russian

(*) The versions of Market Square Heroes and Three_BdftC on this B-Side
differ from the 'original' single release. These are the versions
that ended up on B-Sides themselves.

(**) Only on the CD and tape.

(***) This version differs than the version on Clutching_aS

MARILLION WITH HOGARTH:

1989 SEASONS END
Side 1: The King Of Sunset Town/Easter/The Uninvited Guest
Seasons End
Side 2: Holloway Girl/Berlin/After Me(*)/Hooks In You/The Space
1989 Hooks in You/After Me
1989 Uninvited Guest/The Bell in the Sea
1990 Easter/The Release

1991 HOLIDAYS IN EDEN
Side 1: Splintering Heart/Cover My Eyes (Pain And Heaven)
The Party/No One Can
Side 2: Holidays In Eden/Dry Land/Waiting To Happen/This Town
The Rakes Progress/100 Nights
1991 Cover My Eyes (Pain and Heaven)/How Can it Hurt
1991 No One Can/A Collection
1991 Dry Land/Holloway Girl
1992 Sympathy/Kayleigh (live w/Hogarth)

1992 A SINGLES COLLECTION
Side 1: Cover my Eyes (Pain and Heaven)/Kayleigh/Easter
Warm Wet Circles/Uninvited Guest/Assassing/Hooks in You
Side 2: Garden Party/No One Can/Incommunicado/Dry Land/Lavender
I Will Walk on Water/Sympathy

1992 LIVE AT THE BORDERLINE (fanclub bootleg, see question 7.3)
Splintering Heart/Easter/King of Sunset Town/Waiting to Happen/
Sympathy/Kayleigh/Lavender/Heart of Lothian/Uninvited Guest/
Slainte Mhath/The Release/Hooks in You/Garden Party

1992 LIVE AT CARACAS (fanclub bootleg, see question 7.3)
Splintering Heart/Holidays In Eden/Script For A Jester's Tear
Easter/Hotel Hobbies/Warm Wet Circles/That Time Of The Night
Kayleigh/Lavender/Heart Of Lothian/Cover My Eyes/Slainte Mhath
The Space/Waiting To Happen/Hooks In You

1993 LIVE AT GLASGOW BARROWLANDS (fanclub bootleg, see question 7.3)
King of Sunset Town/Slainte Mhath/Uninvited Guest/Easter/
Warm Wet Circles/That Time of the Night/Holloway Girl/
(Emanuel)/Seasons End/Berlin/The Space

1994 The Great Escape/Made Again/Marouatte Jam (**)
1994 BRAVE
Bridge/Living with the big Lie/Runaway/Goodbye to all That/
Hard as Love/The Hollow Man/Alone Again in the Lap of Luxury/
Paper Lies/Brave/The Great Escape/Made Again
1994 Hollow Men/Made Again/Marouatte Jam
1994 Hollow Men/The Great Escape (orchestral version)/
Winter Trees (solo by Steve Rothery)

1995 Beautiful / Live Forever / Great Escape (demo) / Hard as Love (demo)
1995 Beautiful / Afraid of Sunrise /Icon
1995 AFRAID OF SUNLIGHT
Gazpacho/Cannibal Surf Babe/Beautiful/Afraid of Sunrise/
Out of this World/Afraid of Sunlight/Beyond You/King
(*) Only on the CD.
(**) Only released in Holland

1996 MADE AGAIN
Side 1:
Splintering Heart / Easter / No one can / Waiting to happen /
Cover my eyes / The Space / Hook in You / Beautiful / Kayleigh /
Lavender / Afraid of sunlight / King

Side2:
Brave (complete)

1997 BEST OF BOTH WORLDS

Side 1: (The Fish Years)
Script for a Jester's tear / Market Square Heroes /
He knows, you know / Forgotten Sons / Garden Party / Assassing /
Punch & Judy / Kayleigh / Lavender / Heart Of Lothian /
Incommunicado / Warm Wet Circles / That time of the night / Sugar Mice

Side 2: (The Hogarth Years)
Uninvited Guest / Easter / Hooks in You / The Space / Cover my Eyes /
No One Can / Dry Land / Waiting to Happen / Great Escape / Alone
Again in the Lap of Luxury / Made Again / King / Afraid of Sunlight /
Beautiful / Cannibal Surfer Babe

1997 THIS STRANGE ENGINE
Man of a Thousand Faces / One Fine Day / 80 Days / Estonia / Memory of Water
Accidental Man / Hope for the Future / This Strange Engine
Bonus on Japanese version: Beautiful (live) / Made Again (live)

1997 Man of a Thousand Faces / Beatiful / Made Again / Man of a Thousand Faces (Ext)


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Subject: 5.2 What books are there on Marillion/Fish?

This listing contains some information on the 3 books that are available
on Marillion and Fish (currently nothing on Fish solo).

Title : Marillion in Words and Pictures
Author : Carol Clerk
Published by : Bobcat Books: London, 1985
ISBN : 0.7119.0768
Order No : OP 43512
Other : Softcover, 47 pages
Approx. price: US$5.95

Exclusive distributors:
Book sales Limited
8/9 Frith St.
London W1V 5TZ, UK

This book is mostly color and black and white photos of the band,
especially Fish, in concert and just hanging out. But it also gives
a good overview of the band's history from the early days through
the release of Misplaced Childhood. Some of its highlights are
the recipe for Grendels, an explanation of the Fish/Derek conflict,
and some insights into "The Web" and Misplaced Childhood.


Title : The Script: An illustrated biography
Author : Clive Gifford
Publisher : Omnibus Press, London, 1987
ISBN : 0.7119.1113.4
Order No : OP 44304
Other : Softcover 96 pages
Price : Approx. US$10.95

Exclusive distributors:
Book Sale Limited
8/9 Frith St.
London W1V 5TZ, UK

The Script is an illustrated bio of the group by Clive Gifford.
It's only 96 pages (with a lot of pictures), so it is not as
extensive as "Market Square Heroes". This book was written after
the release of "Misplaced Childhood," but before "Clutching at
Straws." It has a complete discography of all of Marillion's
singles, albums, videos, demos, bootlegs, promos, etc. with
descriptions of distinctive features of the work (i.e. picture
disk).

Title : Market Square Heroes: The Authorized Story of Marillion
Author : Mick Wall (foreword by Fish)
Publisher : Sidgwick and Jackson Limited
ISBN : 0-283-99426-6
Other : 310 pages

Address:
1 Tavistock Chambers, Bloomsbury Way
London WC1A 2SG
Great Britain

Market Square Heroes: The Authorized Story of Marillion is probably
the most informative of the Marillion books I've seen. It has the
least amount of pictures, but those they have are of a historical
nature. I'd say it is the most honest of the various books -- it's
a real biography, not just a cheap attempt to raise money off of
the fans. After reading the book, I felt I knew Fish, Steve
Rothery, Pete, Ian, and Mark. The book is tailored for the fan
however -- Mick Wall's appreciation of the band and the songs are
quite in evidence.

It has on the back cover that "The main reason the band and I
[Fish] wanted this book to be written, was because there's never
been anything published that truly got to grips with the real story
of Marillion." I'd agree.

If you are looking for facts on Marillion through the release of
Clutching at Straws, I'd recommend Market Square Heroes -- if you
want pictures of Fish and the band, go somewhere else . . .

Title : Marillion: `The Thieving Magpie' (La Gazza Ladra)
Author : Roger Day
Publisher : Wise Pulications, London 1989
ISBN : 0.7119.1837.6
Other : Order No. AM74758.


This book contains scores for everything on The Thieving Magpie,
including Freaks and the whole of Misplaced Childhood.

Title : Marillion - Misplaced Childhood
Author : ? anyone know ?
Publisher : Chapell Music Ltd. 129 Park Strees, London, W1Y 3FA, UK
ISBN : 0 86359 288 0

Exclusive Distributors:
Internationa Music Publications
Southend Road
Woodford Green
Essex IG8 8HN, England

This book contains the scores and the lyrics of the whole Mispaced
Childhood album. First published in 1985.

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Subject: 5.3 What videos are there?

Currently 7 videos exist, all of Marillion. Here's the listing:

Title : Recital of the Script
Time : 55:00

Script for a Jester's Tear / Garden Party / Chelsea Monday /
He Know You Know / Forgotten Sons / Market Square Heroes

Very good live video from a concert at the Hammersmith Odeon. It
says on the back:

"It was the night a dream came through - when two years of motorway
madness, greasy spoon meals, and interminable club gigs suddenly
all seemed worthwhile. Hammersmith Odeon - the oft-sought but
seldom attained aim of every rock band. A capacity audience
hanging on to every note and a massive stage for Marillion to
present their stunning visual theatrics in spectacular style.
Powerful, dramatic music; provocative lyrics and superlative
musicianship. A night to remember - for Marillion to savour with
understandable relish as a major milestone in their career"

Title : Grendel/The Web (EP)
Time : 29:00

Contains: Grendel/The Web (live)

This video has two live tracks; both were encores at the Hammersmith
Odeon concert of "Recital of the Script". It says on the back:

"'Grendel' was originally released on vinyl in October 1982 - our
first ever release on EMI - and an unplanned third encore at the
Hammersmith Odeon show in April 1983. 'The Web' has not been per-
formed live since this show....."

Title : 1982-86 The Videos
Time : 35:00

Market Square Heroes/He Knows You Know/Garden Party/Assassing/
Kayleigh/Lavender/Heart of Lothian/Lady Nina

All the videoclips up to 1986. Some are very good, especially Garden
Party is very funny.

Title : Incommunicado C/W Sugar Mice
Time : 8:46

Contains: Incommunicado/Sugar Mice (videoclips)

Title : Live from Loreley
Time : 87:00

Slainte Mhath / Assassing / Script for a Jester's Tear / Incubus / Sugar Mice
Hotel Hobbies / Warm Wet Circles / That Time of the Night / Kayleigh /
Lavender / Heart of Lothian / The Last Straw / Incommunicado

Good live video, recorded in St. Goarshausen (Germany) on July 18,
1987. It starts with "La Gazza Ladra" as intro and some backstage
shots.

Title : From Stoke Row to Ipanema
Time : 90:00

Hooks in You/Uninvited Guest (videoclips)
Eric (live rehearsal)

Hollywood Rock Festival, Brazil 1990
Kayleigh/Lavender/Hooks in You (live)

Easter (video)
The Ultimate Gift (live rehearsal)

De Montfort Hall, Leicester, England, 24th April 1990
The King of Sunset Town/Easter/Holloway Girl/
Berlin/Season's End (live)

This video contains some interview with the band, especially to
introduce Steve Hogarth, who recently joined the band at this time.

Title : A Singles Collection
Time : 52:00

Sympathy / Cover My Eyes / No One Can / Dry Land / Hooks in You /
Uninvited Guest / Easter (with Hogarth)
Warm Wet Circles / Incommunicado / Kayleigh / Lavender / Assassing /
Garden Party (with Fish)

Once again a lot of videos, only the first 4 tracks were not released
on a video before. Accompanies the CD with the same name. In the
USA this video is called "Six of One, Half a Dozen of the Other"

Title : Kerrang! Metal Monsters
Catalog : R0471VH

This is a Kerrang! compilation tape (or video LP actually) that has
various video's, including He Knows You Know. Full tracklisting:

Iron Maiden - "Aces High"
Whitesnake - "Slow An' Easy",
Helix "Gimme Gimme Good Lovin'"
Wendy O. Williams "It's My Life"
MARILLION "He Knows You Know"
Motorhead "Killed By Death"
Scorpions "Rock You Like A Hurricane"
W.A.S.P. "Love Machine"
Queensryche "Queen Of The Reich"
Armored Saint "Can U Deliver"
Alcatrazz "God Blessed Video"
Bon Jovi "Runaway"
Kiss "Heaven's On Fire"

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Subject: 5.4 What's a bootleg?

A bootleg is a record that contains an illegal or unauthorized recording
of the band. They're also called "ROIO's": Recording Of Illegal/
Indeterminate Origin. These recordings are used to make LP's and in the
last few years CD's. Most have a catchy title and a nice photograph on the
front. How about the first Hogarth-Marillion CD bootleg, which is called
"Something Fishy Going On"....

The source of the recordings can vary from someone who taped a concert
with his walkman, to an original DAT recording directly from the equipment
of the band. Sometimes a radio broadcast is used. Quality of the bootleg
can vary from very poor to excellent.

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Subject: 5.5 How many bootlegs are there?

There are many bootlegs on vinyl (LP), but I'm not sure how many exactly,
but it is around 250 boots. Far less bootlegs are available on CD,
currently there are 56 known bootlegs for both Fish and Marillion.

A full listing of these CD-bootlegs is available from the listserver, see
question 1.7 for info how to get it.

This listing contains info on date, time, label and location. It also
contains tracklistings and a short review of the disc.

The list of CD bootlegs is also available on WWW, point your browser
to: http://www.marillion.com/bootlegs/.

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Subject: 5.6 Where can I buy bootlegs?

They're usually hard to get because bootlegs are illegal. But if you're
lucky, you can run into some at a record store. They're generally easier
to buy in Europe than the States.

Another way is to buy bootlegs is via mail-orders. Mail order companies
that carry Marillion and Fish boots are located in Germany and Italy, but
this changes often. Check specialized magazine's for ads, otherwise ask on
the list if anyone has more info. Sometimes bootlegs are even offered for
sale on the list.

The Marillion and Fish fanclubs also offer several 'official' bootlegs for
sale, more on this in question 6.2.


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Subject: 6.1 Addresses of Marillion Fanclubs

The official Marillion fanclub network is called 'The Web'. This does
however not mean that the other fanclubs don't get support from the
band. After all... they are the biggest fans!

*** The Web UK
PO Box 252
PO Box 252
Aylesbury
Bucks
HP18 0YS
United Kingdom

E-Mail: xg...@dial.pipex.com

Note: The Web USA is now incorporated in the Web UK

*** The Web Holland
Postbus 208
2740 AE Waddinxveen
The Netherlands

Phone: +31 (70) 351 42 15 (only Tuesday between 20:00 and 22:00 CET)
Membership: Fl.24,00 (Dutch guilders) or Fl.29,00 if you don't live
in Holland

E-Mail: the...@knoware.nl
WWW: http://utopia.knoware.nl/users/theweb/

*** The Web Europe
Postbus 208
2740 AE Waddinxveen
The Netherlands

Phone: +31 (70) 351 42 15 (only Tuesday between 20:00 and 22:00 CET)
Membership: Fl.29,00 (Dutch guilders)

E-Mail: the...@knoware.nl
WWW: http://utopia.knoware.nl/users/theweb/

*** The Web Germany
C/O J. & A. Backer
Postfach 1148
53581 Bad Honnef
GERMANY

Membership: 37,- DM (Germany) or 45,-DM (outside Germany)

E-mail: mari...@aol.com
WWW: http://members.aol.com/marilclub/start.htm

*** The Bright Light
Club de fans de Marillion
Ap. de Correos 10034
08080 BARCELONA
ESPANA

E-mail: ei461...@est.etseib.upc.es or 1isg...@rigel.deusto.es
WWW: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/6076/menu.htm

Note: membership info is on the website, no translation:
"Si os quereis suscribir, la cuota es de 1.500 Pts por 4 fanzines que
recibireis periódicamente en casa (gastos de envío incluidos)."

*** Brave Hearts Collection
Attn. Annette Williams
19, Lilac Avenue,
Humberstone,
Leicester,
LE5 1FN
ENGLAND

Marillion fanzine/correspondence club, fanzine comes out
every three months.

*** Blue Angel
25.15 Avenue Cachin
59282 Douchy-les-Mines
France

*** Real to Read
c/o Monica Aprea
Via San Dionigi
42/62 - 20139 Milano MI
Italy

*** Jester
UL-Brzozowa 30/22
40-170 Katowice
Poland

*** Forgotten Fans
Attn. Gustavo Castenetto
Brasil 846
Don Torcuato (1611)
Buenos Aires
Argentina

E-Mail: gas...@starnet.net.ar


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Subject: 6.2 What about the official bootlegs?

6.2 What about the official bootlegs?

Marillion have released a number of live CD's on their own label, called
Racket Records. The first one is called "Live at the Borderline" which was
recorded at the Borderline club in London at May 9, 1992. The second disc
is called "Live at Caracas" and was recorded in Caracas Venezuela on
September 30, 1992. The Caracas recording is much cleaner and according to
some better than the Borderline disc. Others prefer the Borderline disc
because it's closer to a 'real' live concert (i.e. it's not perfect). More
info is in the bootleg list (see chapter on bootlegs). The third disc is
called "Live at Glasgow Barrowlands", and is recorded on December 4, during
the Seasons End tour. A fourth double CD "marillionrochester" was issued as
a "thank you" each donator to the Tour Fund, and is a limited pressing not
availble for purchase. A fifth CD is planned from the "This Strange Tour"
and will be a 2-disc set, hopefully available some time in March of 1998.

Originally these were only available to fan club members for a limited
time, but on 23 January 1998 Racket Records set up The Racket Club Online
and re-released all Racket Records releases, available to everyone:
http://marillion.co.uk/

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Subject: 7.1 I like Marillion. What other bands can you recommend?

There are many bands that make the same kind of music (often referred to
as "progressive rock") as Marillion. Here are some suggestions you may
want to check out:

Anglagard Genesis (?)
Aragon Haze
Arrakeen i.Q. (*)
Asgard Pallas
Cathedral (US) Pendragon
Chandelier Pink Floyd (*)
Dream Theater (*) Rush (*)
Peter Gabriel (*) Shadowland
Galahad Twelfth Night

(*) has its own mailinglist.

This is just a small selection of many good bands that make great music.
Every now and then there is a discussion on the Freaks list on different
music than just Marillion/Fish. That's were I got some of the above
mentioned bands. Further you can check out the UseNet newsgroup
rec.music.progressive.

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Subject: 7.2 How can I subscribe to another (related) musical mailinglist?

Here are the addresses of some of the most wanted mailinglists for Marillion
and Fish fans:

- Dream Theater:

Send mail to ytsejam...@ax.com with in the body of the message,
left justified:

subscribe ytsejam your real name

- Genesis:

The Genesis and also Peter Gabriel mailing list is called Paperlate.
To subscribe, just write a message containing 'subscribe paperlate' for
all the messages, or 'subscribe paperlate-digest' for the digest to

paperlat...@ansto.gov.au

- Peter Gabriel:

To subscribe, send email...

To: list...@listserv.acns.nwu.edu
Subject:
Body: subscribe gabriel "your_name"

To post messages, send email...

To: gab...@listserv.acns.nwu.edu

To unsubscribe, send email...

To: list...@listserv.acns.nwu.edu
Subject:
Body: unsubscribe gabriel

- The iQ mailinglist

Send mail to n...@newton.npl.co.uk (Neil Durant) and ask to be included on
the list.

- Pink Floyd:

Send mail to echo...@fawnya.tcs.com with in the body:

add echoes

To subscribe in digest format, use "add-digest" instead of "add".

- Rush:

Send mail to rush-r...@syrinx.umd.edu. The manager is:
rush...@syrinx.umd.edu.

For more info on the addresses of other musical mailinglists, get the Musical
List of Lists, maintained by Myro Wong. Send mail to

lo...@arastar.com

With a subject of "lomml" and in the body of the message:

gimme

and you'll get the latest version in your mailbox.

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