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Yossarian

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Apr 2, 2001, 2:06:31 PM4/2/01
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Featured in this month’s Uncut magazine: The 10 best Manics websites….


Of “Stay Beautiful” (www.manicshop.co.uk)

“which takes its names from the group’s first single”

Of “Bored out of My Mind” (www.endorphin.demon.co.uk/amm )

“Billed as ‘the alt.music.manics homepage’ BOOMY seems mostly obsessed with
Richey sightings. That said the architects do, indeed, seem to be suffering
from ennui- the site hasn’t been updated for months. Perhaps Richey’s
hibernating for the winter”

Richey sightings? So a load of bollocks then.


--
Steve.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The difference between love and comfort
is that comfort's more reliable and true.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Michael Shillitoe

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Apr 2, 2001, 2:51:16 PM4/2/01
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Yossarian wrote:

> Of “Bored out of My Mind” (www.endorphin.demon.co.uk/amm )
>
> “Billed as ‘the alt.music.manics homepage’ BOOMY seems mostly obsessed with
> Richey sightings. That said the architects do, indeed, seem to be suffering
> from ennui- the site hasn’t been updated for months. Perhaps Richey’s
> hibernating for the winter”

Blimey. We got in a magazine. It does raise a pertinent question though,
which is what do people want to happen to the homepage? Neither Carla or
myself read the newsgroup that much at all these days, and if I go away
for a few days I never bother trying to catch up. Many of the people
featured on the page have left, and many of the people who post these
days aren't on it. I had high hopes and aspirations for a community site
with far more than just profiles and the occasional article someone had
typed up when I started helping Carla out, but frankly I've lost all
that now, and don't see myself getting it back. It seems a shame,
because there used to be a real community spirit here, and I have made
several good friends because of amm. The chats, especially, were really
good fun, but I just don't care anymore. If anyone has any ideas, post
them. Otherwise, it may be time to shut the site down before it becomes
a sad relic of what it used to be. Let's learn from our idols and not
let that happen.
--
Michael

"There is no true love,
Just a finely tuned jealousy"
- Life Becoming a Landslide, MSP

Offensive Ben

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Apr 2, 2001, 3:55:18 PM4/2/01
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One of the sites linked from www.manics.co.uk has a game of snake on it with
Nicky's face as the backdrop. Howsabout lobbing up a game of Pong with Sean
in the background, or a ninja fighting game featuring James?

I trust this is taken in the spirit in which it is intended ;)

Ben

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Michael Shillitoe

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Apr 2, 2001, 6:40:42 PM4/2/01
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Offensive Ben wrote:
>
> One of the sites linked from www.manics.co.uk has a game of snake on it with
> Nicky's face as the backdrop. Howsabout lobbing up a game of Pong with Sean
> in the background, or a ninja fighting game featuring James?
>
> I trust this is taken in the spirit in which it is intended ;)

:P

Someone once suggested a fighting game with Richey using razor blades.

I'm fucked...goodnight.

--
Mike

Eire2000

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Apr 2, 2001, 9:50:27 PM4/2/01
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that's the shittest list of manics sites yet, the Maker listed better ones a
year or so ago...

Michael Anazapela

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Apr 3, 2001, 5:52:55 PM4/3/01
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Michael Shillitoe <strang...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Offensive Ben wrote:
> >
> > One of the sites linked from www.manics.co.uk has a game of snake on it
with
> > Nicky's face as the backdrop. Howsabout lobbing up a game of Pong with
Sean
> > in the background, or a ninja fighting game featuring James?
> >
> > I trust this is taken in the spirit in which it is intended ;)
>
> :P
>
> Someone once suggested a fighting game with Richey using razor blades.

Cutting all the bastards who the manics depised to pieces I hope.

I saw someone at the barrowlands last night with scars on their
arm...Horrible.....It never really hit home how horrible it was to cut
yourself till I saw that..

Mr Ben Glasgow

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Apr 4, 2001, 6:46:13 AM4/4/01
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Wasn't a blonde girl by any chance was it?

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j.nevins

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Apr 4, 2001, 1:16:58 PM4/4/01
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Yossarian wrote:

> Featured in this month’s Uncut magazine: The 10 best Manics websites….
>
> Of “Stay Beautiful” (www.manicshop.co.uk)
>
> “which takes its names from the group’s first single”
>
> Of “Bored out of My Mind” (www.endorphin.demon.co.uk/amm )
>
> “Billed as ‘the alt.music.manics homepage’ BOOMY seems mostly obsessed with
> Richey sightings. That said the architects do, indeed, seem to be suffering
> from ennui- the site hasn’t been updated for months. Perhaps Richey’s
> hibernating for the winter”

how did a newsgroup site end up on this list? the site isn't really about the
manics so it seems a poor choice.

>
>
> Richey sightings? So a load of bollocks then.

where are the richey sightings the site is obsessed with?
the site does need to be updated.
not that i have any right to talk. i never gave a bio and i haven't even been
in the newsgroup or gone to the chat for about a year.

~amy~

Bruise Pristine

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Apr 4, 2001, 4:00:42 PM4/4/01
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Yossarian <s...@zen.co.uk> wrote ...

> Of "Bored out of My Mind" (www.endorphin.demon.co.uk/amm )
>
> "Billed as 'the alt.music.manics homepage' BOOMY seems mostly obsessed
with
> Richey sightings. That said the architects do, indeed, seem to be
suffering
> from ennui- the site hasn't been updated for months. Perhaps Richey's
> hibernating for the winter"

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

uncut mag can suck me.

Carla

Michael Anazapela

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Apr 5, 2001, 11:02:15 AM4/5/01
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Nope, some girl that had short green hair and pure white makeup...and a
t-shirt with a picture of richey on the back..

she was standing beside the first aid bit the whole night i think

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Yossarian

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Apr 5, 2001, 1:49:32 PM4/5/01
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Bruise Pristine wrote in message <04Ly6.147$NM5....@eagle.america.net>...

>uncut mag can suck me.

Can I too?

Bruise Pristine

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Apr 5, 2001, 2:39:43 PM4/5/01
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Yossarian <s...@zen.co.uk> wrote ...

> Bruise Pristine wrote ...


>
> >uncut mag can suck me.
>
> Can I too?

LOL!

You naughty, you!

Carla


Sicko Word Hugger Anglophile

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Apr 5, 2001, 3:28:06 PM4/5/01
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Yossarian wrote:
>
> Bruise Pristine wrote in message <04Ly6.147$NM5....@eagle.america.net>...
>
> >uncut mag can suck me.
>
> Can I too?

<whips out webcam>

Can I tape it? Maybe we can turn the site into a porn palace in the name
of Manics.

Amanda

Yossarian

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Apr 5, 2001, 3:46:56 PM4/5/01
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>> >uncut mag can suck me.
>>
>> Can I too?
>
><whips out webcam>
>
>Can I tape it? Maybe we can turn the site into a porn palace in the name
>of Manics.

ObManics: "Ain't Going Down", "Comfort Comes", "Yes" ( as in 'yes...yes!
YES!)

Sorry folks....

Mash and Burn

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Apr 5, 2001, 6:12:18 PM4/5/01
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In article <9aib4r$552$1...@soap.pipex.net>, Yossarian <s...@zen.co.uk>
writes

>Bruise Pristine wrote in message <04Ly6.147$NM5....@eagle.america.net>...
>
>>uncut mag can suck me.
>
>Can I too?

Hahahahahahhahaa

You fucking fast bastard!

love
Mash

hate is art

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Apr 4, 2001, 7:30:14 PM4/4/01
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Could sopmeone print the top 10 list?
Rohan


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KrazyCat

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"Yossarian" <s...@zen.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Bruise Pristine wrote in message <04Ly6.147$NM5....@eagle.america.net>...
>
> >uncut mag can suck me.
>
> Can I too?

and can I join?

--
~ Tori ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You said you felt weak
I hope its got nothing to do
With the things you told me
http://www.krazycat.com


Sicko Word Hugger Anglophile

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Apr 5, 2001, 10:33:56 PM4/5/01
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KrazyCat wrote:
>
> "Yossarian" <s...@zen.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:9aib4r$552$1...@soap.pipex.net...
> > Bruise Pristine wrote in message <04Ly6.147$NM5....@eagle.america.net>...
> >
> > >uncut mag can suck me.
> >
> > Can I too?
>
> and can I join?

Yeah baby! I want it to be the director and writer though.

Stay tuned for: Carla Does AMM!

Amanda

KrazyCat

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"Sicko Word Hugger Anglophile" <acsa...@home.com> wrote in message
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> Yeah baby! I want it to be the director and writer though.
>
> Stay tuned for: Carla Does AMM!

LOL!!!!!

Tommy

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Apr 6, 2001, 5:58:27 AM4/6/01
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You bunch of sickos. I reporting you all to your ISPs right now ! Just tell
me the address and you'll all be sorry!

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Bruise Pristine

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Apr 6, 2001, 3:18:14 PM4/6/01
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Sicko Word Hugger Anglophile <acsa...@home.com> wrote ...

> Yeah baby! I want it to be the director and writer though.
>
> Stay tuned for: Carla Does AMM!

Woah, turn your back for a minute and suddenly you're the Traci Lords of the
ng! I hope I don't have to break this to my mother today... after all, it is
her 60th birthday. ;)

Let's see, so far the cast is as follows:

Me - the star whore
Steve and Tori - my bitches
Amanda - sleezbag director (c'mon, you gotta admit she's gonna look bitchin'
with the big Burt Reynolds style moustache and dark sunglasses!)

Anybody else?

Carla


Bruise Pristine

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Apr 6, 2001, 3:20:20 PM4/6/01
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Tommy <do...@botheritdoesntwork.com> wrote ...

> You bunch of sickos. I reporting you all to your ISPs right now ! Just
tell
> me the address and you'll all be sorry!

hahaha!

Okay, it's:

http://ohyeahohyesyesyes!ohrightthere!harder!deeper!ohyesssss!moanmoangruntg
runtgruntsquishsplishslappyslapsplurtsquirtohhhhhhhhhhyeah!

And that's just my section of the page! There is *so* much more!

Carla

Yossarian

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Apr 6, 2001, 3:36:14 PM4/6/01
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>Me - the star whore
>Steve and Tori - my bitches
>Amanda - sleezbag director (c'mon, you gotta admit she's gonna look
bitchin'
>with the big Burt Reynolds style moustache and dark sunglasses!)

Well, if he were here, I'm sure Trev'd bring his goats ;-(

KrazyCat

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"Tommy" <do...@botheritdoesntwork.com> wrote in message
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> You bunch of sickos. I reporting you all to your ISPs right now ! Just
tell
> me the address and you'll all be sorry!

hahaha

good luck. "yes, I'd like to report miss krazycat for a) having a sense of
humor
and b) coming on to another girl online".
the isp replies "oh, coming on to another girl? where is it? can we watch?"

KrazyCat

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"Bruise Pristine" <re...@buggs.net> wrote in message
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> Woah, turn your back for a minute and suddenly you're the Traci Lords of
the
> ng! I hope I don't have to break this to my mother today... after all, it
is
> her 60th birthday. ;)
>
> Let's see, so far the cast is as follows:
>
> Me - the star whore
> Steve and Tori - my bitches
> Amanda - sleezbag director (c'mon, you gotta admit she's gonna look
bitchin'
> with the big Burt Reynolds style moustache and dark sunglasses!)

yay, I'm in the film!!!!

and with Carla and Steve, who are both drool-worthy.

*pleased*

Mash and Burn

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Apr 6, 2001, 7:05:45 PM4/6/01
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Turn and face the stranger K-k-k-krazyCat:

>> Woah, turn your back for a minute and suddenly you're the Traci Lords of
>the
>> ng! I hope I don't have to break this to my mother today... after all, it
>is
>> her 60th birthday. ;)
>>
>> Let's see, so far the cast is as follows:
>>
>> Me - the star whore
>> Steve and Tori - my bitches
>> Amanda - sleezbag director (c'mon, you gotta admit she's gonna look
>bitchin'
>> with the big Burt Reynolds style moustache and dark sunglasses!)
>
>yay, I'm in the film!!!!
>
>and with Carla and Steve, who are both drool-worthy.

I want to be in it. I shall be um. I know I could be rollerboy. I want a
massive cocaine habit and a bad education please!

love
Mash

I don't know. I was there, on the cusp of reality.
And I stepped back into it. Because, you know, reality is underrated. It has
real power. I went home, I made a graph of everybody's moods and feelings and it
came out like an angry face with chickens for eyes. So I got sad again. But I
decided I would write some words in pink on red paper with blue stars and
everything turned out beautiful.

Gareth Flynn

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"Mash and Burn" <ch...@psychcons.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I want to be in it. I shall be um. I know I could be rollerboy. I want a
> massive cocaine habit and a bad education please!

Can I be your drug dealer? I've got some awesome mix tapes!

"...cos she's watching him with those eyes..."

--
John Holmes
g...@staybeautiful.net
http://www.staybeautiful.net - a Manic Street Preachers website

Yossarian

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Apr 7, 2001, 7:07:20 AM4/7/01
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Gareth Flynn wrote in message <6Osz6.24780$PF4....@news.iol.ie>...

>John Holmes
>g...@staybeautiful.net

*LOL!!*

--
Troy Mclure. (You might have seen me in such porn films as .....)

Sicko Word Hugger Anglophile

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Apr 9, 2001, 3:20:57 AM4/9/01
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Ooh! I get to look like a 70s porn pimp!

You need some snazzy porn names though. To make it Manics related, you
can be Little Baby Nothing although that is kinda lame. We can have an
S&M porn called She is Suffering. Tori, are you masochistic or sadistic?

Amanda

Sicko Word Hugger Anglophile

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Apr 9, 2001, 3:21:01 AM4/9/01
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Mash and Burn wrote:
>
> Turn and face the stranger K-k-k-krazyCat:
>
> >> Woah, turn your back for a minute and suddenly you're the Traci Lords of
> >the
> >> ng! I hope I don't have to break this to my mother today... after all, it
> >is
> >> her 60th birthday. ;)
> >>
> >> Let's see, so far the cast is as follows:
> >>
> >> Me - the star whore
> >> Steve and Tori - my bitches
> >> Amanda - sleezbag director (c'mon, you gotta admit she's gonna look
> >bitchin'
> >> with the big Burt Reynolds style moustache and dark sunglasses!)
> >
> >yay, I'm in the film!!!!
> >
> >and with Carla and Steve, who are both drool-worthy.
>
> I want to be in it. I shall be um. I know I could be rollerboy. I want a
> massive cocaine habit and a bad education please!

You don't need to be in porn for that! Just go to an elite college in
the US. You will get laid more than a porn star too ;)

Amanda

Yossarian

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Apr 9, 2001, 8:34:45 AM4/9/01
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Sicko Word Hugger Anglophile wrote

>You need some snazzy porn names though.

Somebody once told me how to work out your 'porn name'...you take the name
of your first pet, and your mother's maiden name for your surname...which
makes mine "Fred Skipton", which doesn't sound very porn, unfortunately....

KrazyCat

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"Sicko Word Hugger Anglophile" <acsa...@home.com> wrote in message
news:3AD162D4...@home.com...

>
> You need some snazzy porn names though. To make it Manics related, you
> can be Little Baby Nothing although that is kinda lame. We can have an
> S&M porn called She is Suffering. Tori, are you masochistic or sadistic?

*cough*sadist*cough*

--
~ Tori ~ I hurt ppl.

Bradley Knowles

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"Yossarian" <s...@zen.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Sicko Word Hugger Anglophile wrote
> >You need some snazzy porn names though.
>
> Somebody once told me how to work out your 'porn name'...you take the name
> of your first pet, and your mother's maiden name for your surname...which
> makes mine "Fred Skipton", which doesn't sound very porn,
unfortunately....

Well, I'm Fidget Gold, which I think is classic!

Bradley


Avel

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Apr 9, 2001, 5:09:19 PM4/9/01
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"Bradley Knowles" <brad...@talk21.com> wrote:

> Well, I'm Fidget Gold, which I think is classic!

Snowy Meadows! :/

avel
--
too sweet and pointless
complete and somewhere else

Michael Anazapela

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Apr 9, 2001, 5:33:15 PM4/9/01
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KrazyCat <lill...@NOSPAM.speedroad.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Tommy" <do...@botheritdoesntwork.com> wrote in message
> news:CCgz6.321$cF4....@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> > You bunch of sickos. I reporting you all to your ISPs right now ! Just
> tell
> > me the address and you'll all be sorry!
>
> hahaha
>
> good luck. "yes, I'd like to report miss krazycat for a) having a sense of
> humor
> and b) coming on to another girl online".
> the isp replies "oh, coming on to another girl? where is it? can we
watch?"

LOL :o)

Michael Anazapela

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Apr 9, 2001, 5:36:52 PM4/9/01
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Yossarian <s...@zen.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Sicko Word Hugger Anglophile wrote
> >You need some snazzy porn names though.
>
> Somebody once told me how to work out your 'porn name'...you take the name
> of your first pet, and your mother's maiden name for your surname...which
> makes mine "Fred Skipton", which doesn't sound very porn,
unfortunately....

Maybe you could be a bin man in the movie. Or something :o)

Sicko Word Hugger Anglophile

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Apr 9, 2001, 10:53:38 PM4/9/01
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Yossarian wrote:
>
> Sicko Word Hugger Anglophile wrote
> >You need some snazzy porn names though.
>
> Somebody once told me how to work out your 'porn name'...you take the name
> of your first pet, and your mother's maiden name for your surname...which
> makes mine "Fred Skipton", which doesn't sound very porn, unfortunately....

Mine is Tweety Stubblefield which just doesn't sound very porn, imo. I
know someone that has the porn name of Ziggy Cox. Works better.
Especially if you change the spelling of Cox.

Amanda

Yossarian

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Apr 10, 2001, 5:11:42 AM4/10/01
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>Mine is Tweety Stubblefield which just doesn't sound very porn,

Oh, I think so....and Snowy Meadows and Fidget Gold are brilliant too! It's
only mine that sounds crap. I'll have to go with Michael's binman
suggestion...as long as I get to have a big moustache...you can put it in my
dumptruck anytime....Look at the size of that wheelie-bin...No hot
ashes...etc.

--
Steve.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The difference between love and comfort
is that comfort's more reliable and true.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sicko Word Hugger Anglophile wrote in message
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>
>
>Yossarian wrote:
>>
>> Sicko Word Hugger Anglophile wrote
>> >You need some snazzy porn names though.
>>
>> Somebody once told me how to work out your 'porn name'...you take the
name
>> of your first pet, and your mother's maiden name for your surname...which
>> makes mine "Fred Skipton", which doesn't sound very porn,
unfortunately....
>

Sicko Word Hugger Anglophile

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Apr 11, 2001, 5:53:48 PM4/11/01
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Yossarian wrote:
>
> >Mine is Tweety Stubblefield which just doesn't sound very porn,
>
> Oh, I think so....and Snowy Meadows and Fidget Gold are brilliant too! It's
> only mine that sounds crap. I'll have to go with Michael's binman
> suggestion...as long as I get to have a big moustache...you can put it in my
> dumptruck anytime....Look at the size of that wheelie-bin...No hot
> ashes...etc.

lol - great...

I still prefer being the director. I was watching a show on various jobs
and there is this woman in the porn industry who is paid to pick who
sleeps with each other. All she does is organize who has sex in which
scenes in the film. She was old and prolly an ex-porn star. Easy money
though.

Amanda

Yossarian

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Apr 11, 2001, 6:14:26 PM4/11/01
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Amanda said:
>I still prefer being the director. I was watching a show on various jobs
>and there is this woman in the porn industry who is paid to pick who
>sleeps with each other. All she does is organize who has sex in which
>scenes in the film. She was old and prolly an ex-porn star. Easy money
>though.

There was a documentary on C4 the other day about this 25yr old mum from
Essex who went to Los Angeles to try and become a successful porn star...it
was quite depressing....I wasn't sure if she was a strong woman, or a weak
woman, but the documentary maker seemed to want to give the impression that
the reason that she had turned to porn was because of some unresolved issues
she had with a father who basically abandoned her and whom she barely knew.
I wonder if anyone else here saw it?

What amazes me more, are porn stars and starlets who apparently happily
married! "Have a nice day at work , dear?"....These people must be very
strong, or else very thick-skinned.

Obmanics: The Select Porn issue and RJE's reasons for not wishing to star
in porn....

Sicko Word Hugger Anglophile

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Apr 11, 2001, 6:28:44 PM4/11/01
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Yossarian wrote:

> There was a documentary on C4 the other day about this 25yr old mum from
> Essex who went to Los Angeles to try and become a successful porn star...it
> was quite depressing....I wasn't sure if she was a strong woman, or a weak
> woman, but the documentary maker seemed to want to give the impression that
> the reason that she had turned to porn was because of some unresolved issues
> she had with a father who basically abandoned her and whom she barely knew.
> I wonder if anyone else here saw it?

I heard about it. What kind of porn did she get into btw? Every porn
thing I've seen on TV (documentaries, not actual porn) shows the
prepping for becoming a porn star which psychologically evaluates them
(they don't decide for you though) and gives them an orientation on what
exactly happens. They are told that this is for life and and it is
permanent. They also have to 'audition' with the producer usually and
have sex on tape with him. These are just for the hardcore companies. I
am sure when you get to the seedier part, it is not as stable. Was the
documentary anti-porn in general or just showing some people with
problems turning to this sort of work? Because I am not into the
anti-porn movement and I think it would be worse for those with problems
if it was banned or censored. Kind of how prostitution is in LA compared
to prostitution in Nevada, you will see a 'life in the brothel' special
on women in Nevada and although some have problems, they are better off
than the girls in the streets that get beat up and abused by pimps and
are totally drug addicted.

> What amazes me more, are porn stars and starlets who apparently happily
> married! "Have a nice day at work , dear?"....These people must be very
> strong, or else very thick-skinned.

Very much so! Some of them are both in the business and I guess some are
just very secure, or really messed-up. Now I think as a person I am
probably more secure with myself than most people but no way could I
handle my significant other being in porn. Maybe I am the oddity though.
I was listening to a radio show and the guest was a porn star that was
married and she was only allowed to do lesbian porn. It probably turned
him on.

Btw, I am not a porn freak! This post probably makes me look like
someone that just watches porn all the time.

> Obmanics: The Select Porn issue and RJE's reasons for not wishing to star
> in porn....

I haven't read that. Is that posted anywhere online?

Amanda

Gareth Flynn

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"Yossarian" <s...@zen.co.uk> wrote in message
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> There was a documentary on C4 the other day about this 25yr old mum from
> Essex who went to Los Angeles to try and become a successful porn
star...it
> was quite depressing....I wasn't sure if she was a strong woman, or a weak
> woman, but the documentary maker seemed to want to give the impression
that
> the reason that she had turned to porn was because of some unresolved
issues
> she had with a father who basically abandoned her and whom she barely
knew.
> I wonder if anyone else here saw it?

I saw it. I'd reply myself, but Nick Cooper over on uk.media.tv.misc already
summed up what I thought of it perfectly:

It's more the case that vulnerable and emotionally-damaged women make
for better tabloid TV. The modern reinvention of the Victorian
morality of women as saints or sinners is that "radical feminist" myth
that all sex is defined by a power dynamic of women subjugated by men.
Though watered-down for the mainstream, it is reflected in the media
cliche that _all_ women in the porn industry are being exploited. The
old morality that leads to us having a single praising term for
promiscuous men, but many and only condemnatory words to desribe
promiscuous women manifests itself as an unspoken "agreement" that no
female could possibly enjoy such a way of making a living that she
must, "have problems to do with confidence, sexuality, self image."
If she's not a whore, then she must be ill. Strange that scant
attention seems to be paid the men in front of the camera; the media
is only interesting in making victims of all of them women and demons
of the men on the other side of the lens.

The documentary was very unpleasent, and Felicity as an individually
obviously is very disturbed, but do you think any film-maker would be
interested in the telling the story of someone who wasn't, or a TV
network interesting in screening it? The film-maker in this instances
latched onto a subject that would produce the effect he wanted, which
really makes him no better than the porn-makers who similarly
exploited her.

Staff in MacDonalds get treated like shit and are paid peanuts, but
there are plenty of people working in catering whose experience of the
industry is nothing like that. Think about it, and which would make a
"better" documentary.

--
Gareth Flynn

Sicko Word Hugger Anglophile

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Good post, whoever Nick Cooper is. I know some girls who have done porn
and liked it. Some girls just liked the money but if they didn't care
about the sex bit, who cares? I know a girl who was a prostitute and
that was a different story but if it were legal I am sure things would
have been better for her.

You do get people in all walks of life that aren't happy and have issues
unsorted that go into jobs they don't want to. The way the world flows
pushes all sorts of people into the business world that would prefer to
be beauticians or mechanics but it doesn't have the same status or
please their parents. I have watched shows like Real Sex and G-String
Divas (I am not a faithful watcher or anything and I swear I am not a
porn freak) and some people genuinely seem happy about their choice.
Also there are many other really intelligent women that got into porn if
you watch certain documentaries and that Annabelle Chung chick (dunno
her actual name) had a documentary about her and how she was a feminist
or into women studies actually.

They do talk about how radical feminism and religious fundamentals have
'hopped in bed' together in the US to try and put down porn. Some well
known radical feminists here named Dworkin and Mackinnon (I am sure some
people know who they are) tried to get porn banned in the name of
women's civil rights. That didn't work in the US so they went to Canada
and managed to somehow ban their own writings.

I am a member (not a dues paying but on their lists and will contribute
to their cause if I can) of an individualist feminist group. It is more
along the lines of Wendy McElroy and Camille Paglia. They aren't quite
as popular as Steinem and her ilk, but they do exist.

Amanda

Yossarian

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Sicko Word Hugger Anglophile wrote in message <3AD4DA96...@home.com>...

>
>I heard about it. What kind of porn did she get into btw?

Hardcore, and some really unpleasant stuff, involving asphyxiation...

Every porn
>thing I've seen on TV (documentaries, not actual porn) shows the
>prepping for becoming a porn star which psychologically evaluates them
>(they don't decide for you though) and gives them an orientation on what
>exactly happens. They are told that this is for life and and it is
>permanent. They also have to 'audition' with the producer usually and
>have sex on tape with him.

This girl had to fill in forms saying what she would and wouldn't do.
Despite this, her agent (a Brit) took her to shootings (of stuff she said
she wouldn't do) to 'educate' her, and then basically tried to persuade her
to do the things she said she wouldn't do. In one instance she was taken to
some bloke (the asphyxiation bloke, amongst other things) to meet him, and
she basically got involved in a shoot...things got very unpleasant and the
film crew (Channel 4) actually intervened....


These are just for the hardcore companies. I
>am sure when you get to the seedier part, it is not as stable. Was the
>documentary anti-porn in general or just showing some people with
>problems turning to this sort of work?

I don't think it was necessarily anti-porn, more the latter. It can't be
good for the soul can it?

Because I am not into the
>anti-porn movement and I think it would be worse for those with problems
>if it was banned or censored. Kind of how prostitution is in LA compared
>to prostitution in Nevada, you will see a 'life in the brothel' special
>on women in Nevada and although some have problems, they are better off
>than the girls in the streets that get beat up and abused by pimps and
>are totally drug addicted.

Yes, I know what you're saying. If you prohibit something, it just goes
underground, but involves more criminals. These people generally, make their
choices, for better or worse.

>

>
>Very much so! Some of them are both in the business and I guess some are
>just very secure, or really messed-up. Now I think as a person I am
>probably more secure with myself than most people but no way could I
>handle my significant other being in porn.

Me neither. I'm not particularly the jealous type, but there are limits...It
wouldn't do much for my security that's for sure!

Maybe I am the oddity though.
>I was listening to a radio show and the guest was a porn star that was
>married and she was only allowed to do lesbian porn. It probably turned
>him on.

Hmmm. I wouldn't say you were an oddity- I'd be surprised if most people
couldn't handle their partner getting it on with somebody else....Maybe with
lesbian porn her partner felt less threatened somehow...it's probably a
strange area of the male psyche....

>> Obmanics: The Select Porn issue and RJE's reasons for not wishing to
star
>> in porn....
>
>I haven't read that. Is that posted anywhere online?

I don't know. But it was around THB time- the band are charming throughout,
RJE looks fantastic...shirt off, great hair, looking up at the camera all
doe-eyed whilst surrounded by porn mags...Richey's asked if he would star in
a porn film, and his response is essentially 'No way! Penis too small'

Somebody will have it on line somewhere, surely...I've no idea where my copy
is, but there might be a copy on the CD Rom of Manics stuff that Tnt
did....I'll get back to you!


Btw, it's really nice that you are back!

Yossarian

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Amanda,

Ok, I've copied the article ( from Tnt's fantastic Manics CDR) and posted it
to the newsgoup- "Manics and Porn"

KrazyCat

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"Yossarian" <s...@zen.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >
> >I heard about it. What kind of porn did she get into btw?
>
> Hardcore, and some really unpleasant stuff, involving asphyxiation...

what's that?
My english dictionary is at my mum's.


>
> Hmmm. I wouldn't say you were an oddity- I'd be surprised if most people
> couldn't handle their partner getting it on with somebody else....Maybe
with
> lesbian porn her partner felt less threatened somehow...it's probably a
> strange area of the male psyche....

In my experience no guy on earth would get jealous if his gf
snogged or slept with another girl.
He'd want to watch tho.
I don't get it at all.


> I don't know. But it was around THB time- the band are charming
throughout,
> RJE looks fantastic...shirt off, great hair, looking up at the camera all
> doe-eyed whilst surrounded by porn mags...Richey's asked if he would star
in
> a porn film, and his response is essentially 'No way! Penis too small'

lol!

--
~ Tori ~ I could never be in porn.

Mash and Burn

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Ill Verbal-unit Embracer England-lover wrote:

>Also there are many other really intelligent women that got into porn if
>you watch certain documentaries and that Annabelle Chung chick (dunno
>her actual name) had a documentary about her and how she was a feminist
>or into women studies actually.

On the exploitation/disturbed past issue, the documentary (shot by her
then-boyfriend, I believe) included her talking about when she'd been
raped...

However as Gar pointed out with his quotation of that chap from the
other ng, I agree that the reason we are continually told the porn
industry is a horrible thing is that it makes good sensationalist TV.
People just don't want to think that other 'normal' people could want to
do something that 'degrading'. But they must do, the whole porn thing is
just too huge to just be staffed by misfits!

love
Mash

Mash and Burn

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KrazyCat listened to the music of the mariachi:

>> Hardcore, and some really unpleasant stuff, involving asphyxiation...
>
>what's that?
>My english dictionary is at my mum's.

Suffocation. Stopping the air getting in the lungs, like being
strangled.

>In my experience no guy on earth would get jealous if his gf
>snogged or slept with another girl.
>He'd want to watch tho.
>I don't get it at all.

Sorry to be that one guy on earth in your experience, but now you can
say 'in my experience only one guy on earth would get jealous...' ;)

LOVE
Mash

They scattered us like shit on cornflakes

KrazyCat

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"Mash and Burn" <ch...@psychcons.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >> Hardcore, and some really unpleasant stuff, involving asphyxiation...
> >
> >what's that?
> >My english dictionary is at my mum's.
>
> Suffocation. Stopping the air getting in the lungs, like being
> strangled.

that doesn't sound sexy at all!

> >In my experience no guy on earth would get jealous if his gf
> >snogged or slept with another girl.
> >He'd want to watch tho.
> >I don't get it at all.
>
> Sorry to be that one guy on earth in your experience, but now you can
> say 'in my experience only one guy on earth would get jealous...' ;)

lol! that's ok then.
*hugs mash*

--
~ Tori ~

ntp...@googlemail.com

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