She needs a 'wooden' oboe I'm told ..
T i m
Our 13 year old daughter has =taken some of her oboe tests and there
are 'noises' that she 'could do with' / 'might enjoy' a 'better'
wooden (?) oboe.
She currently has a B&H Regent and I wondered if there was a
particular 'student' instrument that would be a natural progression
for her?
There is the *possibility* that we might be able to get some support
funding through her music centre.
Ok, thanks for your time ..
T i m (UK)
We will of course also discuss this with her recorder / oboe teacher
;-)
Stephen Howard
>Hi all,
>
>Our 13 year old daughter has =taken some of her oboe tests and there
>are 'noises' that she 'could do with' / 'might enjoy' a 'better'
>wooden (?) oboe.
>
>She currently has a B&H Regent and I wondered if there was a
>particular 'student' instrument that would be a natural progression
>for her?
>
>There is the *possibility* that we might be able to get some support
>funding through her music centre.
>
There's not much choice to be had at that sort of level - and unless
anyone knows better I think you're stuck with either the Buffet Artist
or the Ward & Winterbourne TW1 - both at a tad under Ł900.
Howarth do a student model at about Ł1100.
I'd be inclined to contact either Myatts or Howarths - both places
would give you excellent advice, and offer the best choice ( such as
it is ).
Secondhand is an option, and again I'd highly recommend those two
dealers. You might pay a bit more in the end, but oboes are
notoriously fiddly creatures and it pays to buy from a reputable
source.
Regards,
--
Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations
www.shwoodwind.co.uk
Emails to: showard{who is at}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk
T i m
<sees...@email.uk> wrote:
>>
>>Our 13 year old daughter has =taken some of her oboe tests and there
>>are 'noises' that she 'could do with' / 'might enjoy' a 'better'
>>wooden (?) oboe.
>>
>>She currently has a B&H Regent and I wondered if there was a
>>particular 'student' instrument that would be a natural progression
>>for her?
>>
>>There is the *possibility* that we might be able to get some support
>>funding through her music centre.
Hi Stephen
>>
>There's not much choice to be had at that sort of level
So one would need to spend a lot more for a better choice then? What
would we talking about here (roughly) please?
- and unless
>anyone knows better I think you're stuck with either the Buffet Artist
>or the Ward & Winterbourne TW1 - both at a tad under £900.
Ok, well that gives me a guide.
>
>Howarth do a student model at about £1100.
Would the extra couple of hundred be well spent to you think?
>
>I'd be inclined to contact either Myatts or Howarths - both places
>would give you excellent advice, and offer the best choice ( such as
>it is ).
I believe we contacted both when we were looking for her first oboe.
We ended up getting this Regent from eBay for £150 and the nice man at
Myatts 'sorted' it for us for £75.
>
>Secondhand is an option, and again I'd highly recommend those two
>dealers. You might pay a bit more in the end, but oboes are
>notoriously fiddly creatures and it pays to buy from a reputable
>source.
So it would seem Stephen ;-)
So, is the 'feeling' I've been getting here (from my Mum who is
'encouraging' our daughter re the oboe path and my Daughter herself)
is that the B&H Regent is preventing her from going further (she's
only on grade 2/3 on the oboe (grade 5 recorder / piano) and just
passed a theory test) and specifically a 'wooden' oboe is 'needed'
(more features / better tone)?
Or is she trying to run before she can walk?
All the best .. and thanks again ..
T i m
Stephen Howard
>On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:53:25 +0100, Stephen Howard
><sees...@email.uk> wrote:
>
>Hi Stephen
>>>
>>There's not much choice to be had at that sort of level
>
>So one would need to spend a lot more for a better choice then? What
>would we talking about here (roughly) please?
Well, after the four figure price barrier the next step up is around
the £1700 mark - which puts the Yamaha YOB421, and the Howarth S20
within reach. Buffet do a model at a tad under £1500.
All of these will be quite a bit better than the bog-standard student
models.
>
>- and unless
>>anyone knows better I think you're stuck with either the Buffet Artist
>>or the Ward & Winterbourne TW1 - both at a tad under £900.
>
>Ok, well that gives me a guide.
>>
>>Howarth do a student model at about £1100.
>
>Would the extra couple of hundred be well spent to you think?
I reckon so, I've seen quite a few of them, they're nice instruments.
>>
>>I'd be inclined to contact either Myatts or Howarths - both places
>>would give you excellent advice, and offer the best choice ( such as
>>it is ).
>
>I believe we contacted both when we were looking for her first oboe.
>We ended up getting this Regent from eBay for £150 and the nice man at
>Myatts 'sorted' it for us for £75.
>>
>>Secondhand is an option, and again I'd highly recommend those two
>>dealers. You might pay a bit more in the end, but oboes are
>>notoriously fiddly creatures and it pays to buy from a reputable
>>source.
>
>So it would seem Stephen ;-)
>
>So, is the 'feeling' I've been getting here (from my Mum who is
>'encouraging' our daughter re the oboe path and my Daughter herself)
>is that the B&H Regent is preventing her from going further (she's
>only on grade 2/3 on the oboe (grade 5 recorder / piano) and just
>passed a theory test) and specifically a 'wooden' oboe is 'needed'
>(more features / better tone)?
>
>Or is she trying to run before she can walk?
Always a difficult one. I'd be inclined to say that at grade 2/3 she's
barely just begun - and moving up to a posher oboe would be something
of a luxury. I wouldn't expect a student to consider such an upgrade
until around the grade 5 mark.
But then again, if she's dedicated, and you have the spare cash
floating about, you might as well upgrade now.
It's a tricky situation - given that oboes are so hideously expensive.
I believe Myatts have a secondhand price list online ( www.myatt.co.uk
) , might be worth seeing if there's a secondhand S20 going.
T i m
<sees...@email.uk> wrote:
<snip>
>>Or is she trying to run before she can walk?
>
>Always a difficult one. I'd be inclined to say that at grade 2/3 she's
>barely just begun - and moving up to a posher oboe would be something
>of a luxury. I wouldn't expect a student to consider such an upgrade
>until around the grade 5 mark.
Fair enough .. I think the previous owner got to grade 5 with it?
>But then again, if she's dedicated, and you have the spare cash
>floating about,
(em, no ) ;-(
you might as well upgrade now.
>It's a tricky situation - given that oboes are so hideously expensive.
Tell me about it ... why is that do do we know?
>
>I believe Myatts have a secondhand price list online ( www.myatt.co.uk
>) , might be worth seeing if there's a secondhand S20 going.
Thank's for that .. maybe if 'Granny' want's to treat her ... ;-)
All the best ..
T i m
Stephen Howard
>On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:34:00 +0100, Stephen Howard
><sees...@email.uk> wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>>>Or is she trying to run before she can walk?
>>
>>Always a difficult one. I'd be inclined to say that at grade 2/3 she's
>>barely just begun - and moving up to a posher oboe would be something
>>of a luxury. I wouldn't expect a student to consider such an upgrade
>>until around the grade 5 mark.
>
>Fair enough .. I think the previous owner got to grade 5 with it?
There ya go then :)
>
>>But then again, if she's dedicated, and you have the spare cash
>>floating about,
>
>(em, no ) ;-(
That sort of solves one problem then!
>
>you might as well upgrade now.
>>It's a tricky situation - given that oboes are so hideously expensive.
>
>Tell me about it ... why is that do do we know?
It's mostly to do with the precision required when making the body.
The larger the instrument, the more forgiving it will be of the odd
small error. If you consider that the oboe's bore, at the top, tapers
down to a diameter of approx. 5mm then you can see that there's not a
lot of room for error.
Couple this with the relative complexity of the keywork and it all
gets to be rather an expensive instrument to make.
You can see similar price patterns in the higher pitched woodwinds -
such as soprano saxes, piccolos, Eb clarinets etc.
Also, there's less demand for oboes and the like, so the market is
correspondingly small - so there's little chance of the price being
forced down through volume production.
>>
>>I believe Myatts have a secondhand price list online ( www.myatt.co.uk
>>) , might be worth seeing if there's a secondhand S20 going.
>
>Thank's for that .. maybe if 'Granny' want's to treat her ... ;-)
Are you sure you can't press her to a saxophone ( your daughter, that
is - not your granny....although that could be fun! ).
Cheers,
--
Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations
T i m
<sees...@email.uk> wrote:
>
>Also, there's less demand for oboes and the like, so the market is
>correspondingly small - so there's little chance of the price being
>forced down through volume production.
Hi Stephen and thanks again for your time. As you say, our lack of
lack of (spare) cash wouldn't stop 'Granny' buying her one would it!
The fact that her current B&H 'Regent' managed to get the p.o. up to
G5 means it can be done?
>>>
>>>I believe Myatts have a secondhand price list online ( www.myatt.co.uk
>>>) , might be worth seeing if there's a secondhand S20 going.
>>
>>Thank's for that .. maybe if 'Granny' want's to treat her ... ;-)
>
>Are you sure you can't press her to a saxophone ( your daughter, that
>is - not your granny....although that could be fun! ).
"Granny" (my Mum) gave up with trying to get me interesed in the
'dot's and with a descant recorder at the time. Played everything by
ear (once I'd got the tune) and even got high marks for my piece at a
recoder festival <blush>. I just had other things to do at the 12
years old .. like repair cycles etc ;-)
My Daughter loves 'Granny' and likes to please her so has been more
compliant ;-) Granny has also funded some weekly 1/2 hour lessons for
guitar, keyboard, recorder / oboe and is always signing her up for
music concerts. They also take her to musical events whenever
possible.
Funny you should mention the Sax Stephen ... we went to a Yamaha 'open
day' (staged via a local music shop) and were able to try all sorts of
instruments. She fell in love with the top_of_the_range Clavinova
(typical Woman <g>) and was looking forward to trying the Sax. The guy
doing that section wasn't very 'friendly' and after about 2 short goes
at getting a note out of one we were sort of dismissed .. ;-( Shame,
they may of made a sale?
Personally I like the sound of a Sax and believe it can be played in
many styles than the oboe?. My daughter likes the Oboe and the fact
that there aren't many oboists (?) also seems to appeal to her?
What sort of fingering does the Sax have and therefore would she
easily cross over from the recorder / oboe do you think please
Stephen? I think she has a hankering to be Lisa Simpson (from "The
Simpsons" cartoon series) ;-)
All the best and thanks for all your help and advice ..
T i m
Ceg
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Xaphoon. I believe it's http://www.xaphoon.com . If not, just bip me
upside the head and I'll check for a valid link.
T i m
>>
>> What sort of fingering does the Sax have and therefore would she
>> easily cross over from the recorder / oboe do you think please
>> Stephen? I think she has a hankering to be Lisa Simpson (from "The
>> Simpsons" cartoon series) ;-)
>>
>> All the best and thanks for all your help and advice ..
>>
>> T i m
>
>Xaphoon. I believe it's http://www.xaphoon.com . If not, just bip me
>upside the head and I'll check for a valid link.
No 'bipping' required Ceg .. the link was spot on ;-)
Intriguing ..
The BIG question is if I can get one in the UK how much more expensive
would it be than buying direct from across the pond (even with the
p&p, duty etc)?
My daughter thinks it sounds more like a claranet than a Sax?
With recorder fingering and a reed ... .. "Reedcorder" maybe? ;-)
All the best and thanks for the lead ..
T i m
>
Ceg
I thought they sounded a bit like a wood kazoo, but what do I know? Check
ebay...you can get them fairly cheap sometimes.
Ceg
in this newsgroup from around the UK? My wife and I operate a private,
invitation-only news server and we have several members from around the UK,
AUS and NZ. One in Greece, and a bunch from here in the US. We had one
Canadian, but she's in California now.
T i m
>Off topic, but I'm picking up that you're from the UK?
I am indeed ;-)
Are most the people
>in this newsgroup from around the UK?
I'm new here so 'pass' ;-)
My wife and I operate a private,
>invitation-only news server and we have several members from around the UK,
>AUS and NZ. One in Greece, and a bunch from here in the US. We had one
>Canadian, but she's in California now.
Cool ;-)
T i m
Ceg
> On Sun, 2 May 2004 07:45:11 -0500, "Ceg" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> >Off topic, but I'm picking up that you're from the UK?
>
> I am indeed ;-)
What part?
T i m
Norf Lundin mate ;-)
T i m
>
Ceg
Heart of the UK. Then you would most likely know of Leeds and Lancashire.
We have a couple friends there as well as a few other places scattered
around the area.
T i m
>
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>> On Sun, 2 May 2004 08:55:14 -0500, "Ceg" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"T i m" <kit...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>> >> On Sun, 2 May 2004 07:45:11 -0500, "Ceg" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Off topic, but I'm picking up that you're from the UK?
>> >>
>> >> I am indeed ;-)
>> >
>> >What part?
>>
>> Norf Lundin mate ;-)
>
>Heart of the UK. Then you would most likely know of Leeds and Lancashire.
>We have a couple friends there as well as a few other places scattered
>around the area.
Well, England isn't that big a place so I 'know' most places!
If you want to chat off list my email is valid ..
Ceg
If you like "other world" things, (supernatural/paranormal) you might like
to join us in our news server.
T i m
>> >> >> >Off topic, but I'm picking up that you're from the UK?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I am indeed ;-)
>> >> >
>> >> >What part?
>> >>
>> >> Norf Lundin mate ;-)
>> >
>> >Heart of the UK. Then you would most likely know of Leeds and
>Lancashire.
>> >We have a couple friends there as well as a few other places scattered
>> >around the area.
>>
>> Well, England isn't that big a place so I 'know' most places!
>>
>> If you want to chat off list my email is valid ..
>
>If you like "other world" things, (supernatural/paranormal) you might like
>to join us in our news server.
Want to take this off list Ceg?
Ceg
Oops...(closing the OT)
The Slow Snail @___o
On Sun, 02 May 2004 13:36:03 +0100, T i m <kit...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>Xaphoon. I believe it's http://www.xaphoon.com . If not, just bip me
>>upside the head and I'll check for a valid link.
>
>No 'bipping' required Ceg .. the link was spot on ;-)
>
>Intriguing ..
>
>The BIG question is if I can get one in the UK how much more expensive
>would it be than buying direct from across the pond (even with the
>p&p, duty etc)?
>
>My daughter thinks it sounds more like a claranet than a Sax?
Now somewhere someone told me about an instrument, Wx5, that allowed
you to play several "instruments" using the one instrument. sax, oboe,
flute etc. All synthed nearly a grand in total, but what a great thing
to have!
Here we go, found a link!
http://www.yamahasynth.com/products/wx5/index.html