Real-gigs.com breaks the 20,000 post barrier!!
Essonto
The real-gigs forum for working musicians (http://www.real-gigs.com)
blasted through the 20,000 post plateau yesterday. Since launching in
April of 2007 as a safe haven from the shenanigans going on in here
(you know who you are ;-) ) - the site has become a valuable resource
for gigging musicians on 5 continents.
To put that into perspective, the AMMS usenet group - a public group
available to everyone (including lot's of spammers) has less than
14,000 posts over that same period.
Besides general discussion topics, real-gigs has dedicated forums for
Hardware, Software, Variax users, Loopers, BOSE PAS, and the only
dedicated Showplay forum on the web.
So, the members of real-gigs would like to thank those regulars and
semi-regulars from AMMS that inadvertently motivated several longtime
AMMS contributors into creating what has become such an healthy
thriving resource for working musos. Cheers to you all and we wish
you all success.
If any lurkers here are interested in seeing what's going on at real-
gigs, we encourage you to stop by http://www.real-gigs.com and create
an account. If/when your membership is approved, you will have the
opportunity to be part of a vibrant global community of slightly
irreverent, sometimes eccentric, experienced professional musicians.
Cheers,
Tom
rr
> Hey all,
>
> The real-gigs forum for working musicians (http://www.real-gigs.com)
> blasted through the 20,000 post plateau yesterday. Since launching in
> April of 2007 as a safe haven from the shenanigans going on in here
> (you know who you are ;-) ) - the site has become a valuable resource
> for gigging musicians on 5 continents.
>
> To put that into perspective, the AMMS usenet group - a public group
> available to everyone (including lot's of spammers) has less than
> 14,000 posts over that same period.
>
> Besides general discussion topics, real-gigs has dedicated forums for
> Hardware, Software, Variax users, Loopers, BOSE PAS, and the only
> dedicated Showplay forum on the web.
>
> So, the members of real-gigs would like to thank those regulars and
> semi-regulars from AMMS that inadvertently motivated several longtime
> AMMS contributors into creating what has become such an healthy
> thriving resource for working musos. Cheers to you all and we wish
> you all success.
>
> If any lurkers here are interested in seeing what's going on at real-
> an account. If/when your membership is approved, you will have the
> opportunity to be part of a vibrant global community of slightly
> irreverent, sometimes eccentric, experienced professional musicians.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tom
still trolling for fresh meat.................yawn
Essonto
>
> - Show quoted text -
And this is why AMMS is dead. Good job, Rick.
Ernie Garner
"No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting"
<ggggg>
Ernie
Jim
> > > If any lurkers here are interested in seeing what's going on at real-
> > > gigs, we encourage you to stop byhttp://www.real-gigs.comandcreate
> > > an account. �If/when your membership is approved, you will have the
> > > opportunity to be part of a vibrant global community of slightly
> > > irreverent, sometimes eccentric, experienced professional musicians.
> >
> > > Cheers,
> >
> > > Tom
> >
Tom,
I think of * some * of you guys occasionally. Weird thing tho, fences
work both ways. Think ..... outta site, outta mind.
In any case, I'm pretty sure I recognized myself in the part of your
post about people who are responsible for the shenanigans here.
Actually no, I don't really have a problem here, but I was a bad
influence on rg, as we all know :-)
My fault. I behaved badly, got kicked out, and that's that. I'm over it.
I don't fit in everywhere, and I know that now.
Good job on the 20K, and hopefully you'll soon pass 30,000.
In any case, I wish rg all best.
jim d
SID
you kept getting your asses kicked.
Sid, lifer
General population and proud!
Jim
Ah, another day. Gonna have a few of the cookies wife made yesterday,
oat and peanut butter chocolate chips ... filled my bike drinkie bottle
with coffee ...... go do a few miles. Then I need to get to work on tune
2 of the christmas old geezers cd.
to the topic ..... Moderated forums have some plusses. Like avatars, you
can have a little pic by your posts. Feeds the vanity, kinda fun.
And they are private. Blocked from prying eyes. Well, on that RG is an
exception. Lots of forums are moderated but not private. Meaning you can
read them, you just can't post. If the reason to go moderated is to keep
the riff raff from disrupting things, that's a common setup. Because if
you got past that to totally hidden ( or whatever that'd be called ) you
limit interest in the group and possible growth ( and defeat the
potential joiner from exercising point four below ).
In some emails the other day I pointed out that, eh, I don't really have
a problem with *most* of the rg guys, but out of sight is out of mind.
It's kinda like if some invisible hot chicks were having a party in my
back yard, naked. Oh, and ... the other thing is I couldn't hear them
because they were all mimes. And no one told me about the party.
Two questions. One, would I like to play ?
And two, do I care ?
And the answers are ( mock opening of the award ceremony envelope )
... well sure I'd like to partake.
and/but also
... since I can't see or hear the invisible party, and I don't know it's
happening, eh, I don't really miss it? Not really. For all I know there
aren't any good threads happening on rg. Maybe it's been dead as
roadkill there for days.
Second thing about moderated forums, which I generally like btw, is it's
usually pretty hard to get kicked off. I went nuts ( along with others )
on the Steinberg forum a few years back. No one got banned. They did
delete some threads. On one political forum I read, they lock threads.
That's a good plan, it stops the problem on both sides. See, it takes
someone to taunt in order to bait someone else into responding.
works like this ( all names are purely fictional )
Nick .... yep, that Sara Palin is a fuckin' pig in makeup. I saw that on
CNN and it's true.
Jim .... CNN, what are you f'ing nuts ? Cnn is the mouthpiece of the
left.
Nick .... PIG IN LIPSTICK !!!
Alan .... ( after finishing off some cheese ) ... JimD ( he never got
my style of no caps right ) ..... JimD ... YOU ARE A RACIST.
Various other posters ..... racist ... yeah ... racist racist racist (
think angry mob from an old horror movie ).
now I have to say at this point that calling anyone who didn't bow to
the political winds back then racist was very fashionable. It's not
nearly the social stigma now tho, is it ? Serious point. There was a
sort of mania at work back during the elections, and many well meaning
people joined in. I didn't. I'm a cynical, untrusting, nasty sometimes,
white guy with a deep dislike for overreaching governments. So promising
everything ... and not saying what specifically or how specifically is a
sort of turn off to me.
Have I pissed anyone off yet ?
Well, see, there's a third thing about RG. If this were posted there,
and you ( playing the pissed guy part - which I know you aren't because
you're too open minded and accepting of other opinions to be upset at me
for having mine ) ... if you were a moderator ... I'd get banned.
But wait, let's slow down and take what happened apart. Nic taunted me.
I responded. Others piled on ... I tried to defend my position ... I got
banned. Maybe it's a cultural thing. Perhaps in other places people have
to shut up and get in line with the political trends. Here, in sweet
rural gun loving normally a red state ohio, we don't. I'm allowed to not
like political candidates, and that doesn't make me racist. It makes me
an American. I don't have to be right, or logical, or justify to some
lib. I am allowed to voice my opinion. Deal with it.
You don't have to listen, and that's fine. RG exercised their option to
not listen to me.
Forth point about moderated groups. They are like any social club. When
you try to join, they generally look you over to see if you're " our
kind of people ".
Well, here's some advice. Before joining a private club or a moderated
forum, you should ask yourself " are THEY my kind of people ? "
.
.
.
I guess I was wrong. I'm not really over it. I can feel my heart beating
in my chest. I'm not angry at anyone. Nic's a guy I would probably enjoy
jamming with. Tom is a great player, I know 'cause I have his xmas cd.
And so on. But I'm not use to being called racist. Never happened before
the rg blow up and I didn't take well to it. Not well at all.
The best thing to do online, and any who read this would be well advised
to take this advice, keep the name calling and political stuff off here,
unless they apply to music. There are plenty of places that will argue
politics forever and it'd be on topic, and they'd love it.
All that happens, happened, when these sort of games get played is/was
one fragile, sensitive soul ( me ) got insulted and will probably be
affected by it for years. Someone once said, all politics are local.
Well fuckers, the last election was LOCAL for me, I'm seeing the direct
results of it all around here as foreclosed homes and really empty
shopping center parking lots.
It wasn't even your game. How hard would it have been to have shown some
sensitivity to a guy who could see the boat he was on was about to
capsize and start sinking ???
The one guy I think this post might unnecessarily offend is Zoid. Hey,
it's not aimed at you, I brought the politics up because that was what
the rg fight was over. I realize you and I don't agree on O. I can
tolerate that, if you can also we're good. Otherwise ....
Ok, rant over. I'm going riding.
jim d
little nicky noo-noos!@noono.com ..... little nicky noo-noos!
"Jim" <Spu...@theCat.com> wrote in message
news:Spunky-4724CF....@news.giganews.com...
>
> I guess I was wrong. I'm not really over it. I can feel my heart beating
> in my chest. I'm not angry at anyone. Nic's a guy I would probably enjoy
> jamming with. Tom is a great player, I know 'cause I have his xmas cd.
> And so on. But I'm not use to being called racist. Never happened before
> the rg blow up and I didn't take well to it. Not well at all.
Hi there Jim..;p) Tom told me he'd posted this thing over here so I
thought I'd check it out. Things seem nice in here, very calm and placid.
Now look, I just had to make a point here and that was while I am sorry you
didnt take well to that whole thing in RG,.
But you know, when (amongst other things) you post things about your bud and
you being pissed at "black women openly celebrating the obama victory" on
the bus, or wondering if his win left you wondering if you should "start
working on my ebonics accent. hows this ..... " where be my check ? "" any
fair minded person would see those comments for what they are.
Now I personally don't hold that against you( I'm a very forgiving and
gentle soul;), because I believe we're all a product of our upbringing and
environment, and if your parents teach you to look down on blacks and
others, well that's what you end up doing. Apples and trees and so on....
So you know, you moan about the result but as you failed to mention the
cause, I just thought it only right to give the posters in here some
background on the issue.
Because we all want to be "fair & balanced", right?.:p)
> All that happens, happened, when these sort of games get played is/was
> one fragile, sensitive soul ( me ) got insulted and will probably be
> affected by it for years. Someone once said, all politics are local.
> Well fuckers, the last election was LOCAL for me, I'm seeing the direct
> results of it all around here as foreclosed homes and really empty
> shopping center parking lots.
Yep, those big wall street guys and their banks really did a number on the
USA, and the rest of the world for that matter. Lucky for everyone that
some adults have stepped in to clean up the mess that the frat boys left
behind after their long party (hey, how could I resist that dig?..;p)
> It wasn't even your game. How hard would it have been to have shown some
> sensitivity to a guy who could see the boat he was on was about to
> capsize and start sinking ???
Eh, seems to me not much has changed for you, old bud, you're still posting
long essays about eating chips and drinking sodas and coffee. More power too
you and take care on those rollers, they look dangerous as all hell
> The one guy I think this post might unnecessarily offend is Zoid. Hey,
> it's not aimed at you, I brought the politics up because that was what
> the rg fight was over.
Um Jim, it may have started over politics but your troubles were over racist
posts.
> Ok, rant over. I'm going riding.
Cool, enjoy your ride, mate! I've been doing some riding myself, just around
the area, not long rides and I must say its very enjoyable and I can see how
you can get hooked on it.
Oh and a quick shout out to skid.........man if you really are "General
population and proud!", would you mind stopping trying to get into RG every
second day? It's kinda lame and whilst it's funny I guess, it's never gonna
work for you, buddy. Take care now bud, especially when you surround
yourself with those heaving sweaty men at the weights gym........those 300lb
bombs with the 3" fuses might just hurt you on the way in.;p)
jim d
> "..... little nicky noo-noos!" <..... little nicky
> noo-noos!@noono.com> wrote:
>
> Cool, enjoy your ride, mate! I've been doing some riding myself, just around
> the area, not long rides and I must say its very enjoyable and I can see how
> you can get hooked on it.
>
>
snipped a lot of things --- all true, and yet all wrong at the same
time.
I'll not make any excuses for what I said. That was then. It's in the
past. And I was amply provoked ... ya gotta admit :-)
Oh, and here's a thing for Ernie. I'd make a new post, but this reply
has turned out to be surprisingly short. Hopefully he'll catch it here.
Still working up to something musical. In the mean time, enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ENErWo0Vak&feature=player_embedded
jim d
Ernie Garner
>past. And I was amply provoked ... ya gotta admit :-)
I can't think of a provocation that would evoke or justify your
ebonics comment.
Ernie
rr
wrote:
gents, it's just a suggestion but, stop biting on the dud duo's bait.
jim d
Ernie Garner <en...@giveitabreakohernie.com> wrote:
I'll try again. I had POLITICAL issues with candidate O. Some there
took the very popular - at the time position - that if you didn't like
O, you were racist. And things spun out of control from there, with
plenty 'o insults and sarcasm and name calling all around.
Jesus F'ing Christ .... YOU KNOW WHY THIS UPSETS ME ????
Because RACE wasn't the issue. Politics was. But calling me racist
worked as expected ... it totally discredited me and the points I was
making.
If I *WERE* a racist, it probably wouldn't bother me at all. I'd be
proud to be. But I ain't, 'cause I ain't.
I don't recall the context of the comments Nick referred to. Sure, I
probably said them, but was it as sarcasm, or perhaps I was mimicking
how'd a racist would respond ? I don't know, I don't remember.
jim d
LoDan
So anyway...man, how 'bout them Yankees..that was SOME good ball
playin' to make number 27!
Looks like we've got the rest of a hurricane heading my way and as
much as I hate cold weather I sure could use some break from 80F and
90% humidity, but thats the price you pay.
Still looking for a low end $ camcorder and it looks like the weiner
is a JVC JS200. Consumer reports say's is ok and good enough for me.
it's all good in georgia.
Jim
> LoDan <lde...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> So anyway...man, how 'bout them Yankees..that was SOME good ball
> playin' to make number 27!
OK, point taken. I'll take a bunch of deep breaths and let it go :-)
>
> Looks like we've got the rest of a hurricane heading my way and as
> much as I hate cold weather I sure could use some break from 80F and
> 90% humidity, but thats the price you pay.
It turned nice here again the last few days. Very sweet out. I've never
seen a hurricane up close. Closed to that was a few years ago, some big
on hit the coast and the swirly clouds made it this far north. Very
unusual patters for here, and lovely. Well, lovely if you find beauty in
how big nature is and how small we are compared.
>
> Still looking for a low end $ camcorder and it looks like the weiner
> is a JVC JS200. Consumer reports say's is ok and good enough for me.
>
I'll remember that one. DOn't know if you caught my Draft vid, that was
all done with just my little pocket Nikon camera, and a LOT of AA
batteries. It would be great to have something nicer, but not just now.
> it's all good in georgia.
:-)
jim d
pTooner
Hey Rick, I just booked flights and hotels for Nashville the first
weekend in December. My daughter is coming along to keep me out of
trouble :-) Do you have any interesting gigs we should catch or
anything you recommend we get to? On an unrelated note, my daughter
came by last night and told me she'd decided to fire her bass player
and wanted me to teach her to play bass. She has two gigs booked this
weekend. Does that take nerve??
Gerry
LoDan
batteries. It would be great to have something nicer, but not just not
now"
Are you talking about the first roller derby vid? I though that had
good quality. I have a little Walgreens digital that I've had for
years, not much better than a cell phone.
My main camcorder works great but it's a DV and a real PITA to up load
to the net with all they rendering and converting. I want something
small I can just put the card in my PC and edit away in Vegas or even
MovieMaker and let youtube handle the convertificatin'.
Been thru way more than my share of hurricanes and have even rode out
the eye twice. I was living in Tampa as a kid and we stayed next door
because that house was safer....until the roof starting getting loose.
When the eye came over we kids went out to play in the destruction
under a beautiful blue Florida sky....for about 15 minutes and then it
came back from the opposite direction even worse.
We went back to our house and watched the house next where we just
left as the roof went away. About six of us piled in the bathroom with
blankets and a mattress over us. We were one of only three houses in
the neighborhood left standing. The street signs were blasted clean
and my daddy's big ol brand new Buick had NO paint on one side and you
couldn't see thru the windows. (sand blasted!)
aside...I never saw snow till I got married.
Jim
>
> Hey Rick, I just booked flights and hotels for Nashville the first
> weekend in December. My daughter is coming along to keep me out of
> trouble :-) Do you have any interesting gigs we should catch or
> anything you recommend we get to? On an unrelated note, my daughter
> came by last night and told me she'd decided to fire her bass player
> and wanted me to teach her to play bass. She has two gigs booked this
> weekend. Does that take nerve??
>
> Gerry
I once got fired from my band. Well, the drummer really, he had sneaky
ways and the idea the if he kept replacing people, he'd end up with the
best-est band there is. I should have seen it coming because at that
point I was the last original member of the band. Each other founder had
one by one been voted out, and then finally it was my turn to see the
door.
Not being nearly as lazy back then, I put together a bunch of friends
and was back playing the old bands abandoned jobs in a few weeks. The
remade band lasted over 10 years.
Ya do what ya gotta do. Cheer the girl on. Support her decision. She'll
be fine, and end up a better ( or at least wiser ) performer afterwards.
jim d
rr
Gerry, yea, she's got some nerve (in a good way I guess). You gonna
try covering those for her? As for that weekend, I have a wedding
booked for that Sunday night. Wifey asked me to keep most Saturday
open for December so the only possible right now is if I pull opry
that weekend. Won't know until the Wednesday before, when the list
comes out. I'd love to meet you guys. As for interesting;
Nashville Palace. Have a couple of buds; Larry Hamilton and Phil
Valdez that play out there a lot
Grand Ole Opry: (of course)
Downtown broadway district (must see) - make sure you go to Tootsie's,
late night - when all the crazies are out
If you're here on Monday, you need to go to Union Station and check
out The Time Jumpers
I believe the Wooten Brothers are also still at 3rd & Lindsley on
Wednesdays. It's a mind-numbing experience.
I'm pretty much just always DJing or doing the opry these days. Can't
tell you the last time I was able to work a club job.
Ernie Garner
as baseline i.e. pretty much what I expect when I meet a white
American. I'm tired of it, but, like it or not, it's what I have
gotten used to. As far as your judging whether you are racist or not,
I don't think you're qualified. Like most Americans you start with
the assumption that you have values and pick/modify the data to fit.
Whatever doesn't fit you simply deny. Actual behavior and the
observations of your local minority member have nothing to do with it.
Overall, I wouldn't sweat it. It's a little surprising to see a
comment like yours in print, mainly because it's pretty ignorant, but
I pretty much figured that out after our first conversation. That was
years ago and I'm still conversing with you on this forum.
You may want to try putting some friction tape on the rollers so that
you have some lateral friction. I suspect that tires against steel is
like riding a bike on ice. Might also help to have a bike with
heavier tires, ala Leo, so that the stabilizing centrifugal force
kicks in at lower RPM's.
Ernie
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wrote:
Ern, would you consider yourself a racist?
Jim
> Ernie Garner <en...@giveitabreakohernie.com> wrote:
> Well, from my perspective as a biracial I would refer to your "racism"
> as baseline i.e. pretty much what I expect when I meet a white
> American. I'm tired of it, but, like it or not, it's what I have
> gotten used to. As far as your judging whether you are racist or not,
> I don't think you're qualified. Like most Americans you start with
> the assumption that you have values and pick/modify the data to fit.
> Whatever doesn't fit you simply deny. Actual behavior and the
> observations of your local minority member have nothing to do with it.
Ok. Now understand, as I read that, I'm racist ... but I don't know it.
That I can almost accept. Of course I'd deny it, be offended at the
label, because in * my * mind, I don't have any ... by the dictionary
definition .... prejudice.
I'm not trying to be argumentative here. Not at all. It's an effort on
my part to grasp being labeled something unrelated for the purpose of
winning a political argument, and how I'm supposed to feel about that.
Actually the rg situation was about more than that even. It encompassed
everything from america bashing to general lib politics. And yet, when
Nic decided to take a swipe at me here, didn't he mention my .. in your
words "navel gazing" ... style of posts ? Mentioned my frequent
references to cookies and coffee. How's that racist. Or, does it go to
a deeper issues, and I don't even care a little to dig into those
motives might be, save to say, yes... it is possible by rather clever
and persistent poking, to elicit an angry response from even the
mellowest of people. And I'm certainly not as mellow as some.
>
> Overall, I wouldn't sweat it. It's a little surprising to see a
> comment like yours in print, mainly because it's pretty ignorant, but
> I pretty much figured that out after our first conversation. That was
> years ago and I'm still conversing with you on this forum.
It upset me too.
>
> You may want to try putting some friction tape on the rollers so that
> you have some lateral friction. I suspect that tires against steel is
> like riding a bike on ice. Might also help to have a bike with
> heavier tires, ala Leo, so that the stabilizing centrifugal force
> kicks in at lower RPM's.
>
> Ernie
Wheel mass may be an issue. That particular bike has really light
aluminum alloy rims and small tires .. low mass.
The rear tire sets between the two rear rollers. The front of those is
connected by a drive belt to the front most roller which rolls and spins
the front tire. They're ridable, but I have real trouble staying on the
things.
Rubber on the rollers .... I dunno. It seems to me that the rollers just
want to spin, and if the wheels are angled at all, the effect is for the
wheel to spiral outward and off the frame.
Bottom line, it's probably a bit dangerous for me. Will I stop playing
on it before or after I break something worse than a shift cable ?
I'll work on my race sensitivity. You gave me something to think about
there.
jim d
LoDan
wrote:
Ernie said:
"You may want to try putting some friction tape on the rollers so
that
you have some lateral friction."
I'd have to think about that one a bit ernie. sounds good in theory
but I don't think the tires are slipping that much sideways, but with
the twin rollers connected via belt to the front roller so it does
offer some resistance that could generate some slip until the tires
and the roller(s) reach equilibrium.
But it sure couldn't hurt and even a little help to keep jim from
busting his ass is good. Of course a vertical roller on each side
especially if it was belted to run at the same rpm as the twin
rollers.....or one of those stands that raises the real wheels off the
floor or put that damn thing in a yard sale before you put your eye
out. :)
pTooner
>
> - Show quoted text -
Keep me posted, I just booked the opry for Saturday night. Took a
somewhat doubtful hotel to be near the action.
Gerry
Jim
>
> Ernie said:
> "You may want to try putting some friction tape on the rollers so
> that
> you have some lateral friction."
>
> I'd have to think about that one a bit ernie. sounds good in theory
> but I don't think the tires are slipping that much sideways, but with
> the twin rollers connected via belt to the front roller so it does
> offer some resistance that could generate some slip until the tires
> and the roller(s) reach equilibrium.
> But it sure couldn't hurt and even a little help to keep jim from
> busting his ass is good. Of course a vertical roller on each side
> especially if it was belted to run at the same rpm as the twin
> rollers.....or one of those stands that raises the real wheels off the
> floor or put that damn thing in a yard sale before you put your eye
> out. :)
Well fellas, as much as it makes me sad, I'm starting to think the
roller things are just a bit dangerous for an old geez like myself.
My balance just isn't up to it, at least not on one of my road bikes.
Those are maid for the open road where I have LOTS of time to swerve
around Mr Chippy the squirrel.
The new plan, wife approved, is to get one of the stand type gizmo's
that fits over the back axle and lets you " ride " but at the same time
holds the bike up solidly. I'm watching craigs list :-)
jim
rr
>
> - Show quoted text -
I booked a Sunday that weekend and left the Saturday open, DJ-wise. If
an opry spot comes in for Wall, I'll work it. Wish I could take you
backstage and may call mgr's office to see if I can finagle it but
they've gotten really prickly about visitors. Used to, I could bring
anyone in from the audience. Tried to do that a few months back and
got quite embarrassed to find out they canned the practice. If nothing
else though, gimme a shout when you're in town. We'll hook up somehow.
dio...@videotron.ca
it will always be a balancing problem even if you put the wheels in V
pullys because the bike itself has to be moving forward to keep it
balanced. like its hard to balance a bike on the road if you slow down
too slow.
jim d
> dio...@videotron.ca wrote:
> it will always be a balancing problem even if you put the wheels in V
> pullys because the bike itself has to be moving forward to keep it
> balanced. like its hard to balance a bike on the road if you slow down
> too slow.
here is SOMETHING different from road riding. Not to say it can't be
done, it can, but methinks it's a new skill, similar to but not EXACTLY
like normal biking.
In thnking out it, what keeps a bike upright is the gyroscopic effect of
the spinning wheels. That's physics.
Ah, but I was watching WarPlanes last week and they did a segment on the
old biplanes of WWI. One big problem with those planes was that as the
engines got more powerful, and bigger, they started behaving as
gyroscopes bolted to the front of the plane. With rotary engines, the
engine itself rotated on a fixed central shaft. That was great because
they were air cooled and spinning the cylinders was the thing. But after
the engines got " pretty big " ( a cool technical term I just made up )
a problem showed up.
Which was, that if you apply force to the central axis of a gyroscope (
uh .. oh ... I'm veering off topic bad here ) ....if you try to move a
gyroscope it reacts by moving 90 degrees off the direction of the force.
Ok, I don't really get that, but the guy on tv demo-ed it and I believe
:-)
Effect on the old plane was, that if you tried to steer it hard left (
or maybe it was right ) the nose would react by pitching down. And there
was nothing that would stop it from doing that. You just can't move a
big spinning gyroscope ( motor ) as easy as you'd think. Thanks to that
effect a lot of those planes crashed just after takeoff when an
inexperienced pilot tried turning before he got up hight enough to
recover from the unexpected nose dive.
I thought the info was interesting anyway.
I suspect that turning the front wheel quickly to correct acts a little
like the airplane engine did, to also try and tip the bike sideways. On
the road I just lean into those and don't even notice.
On rollers, leaning doesn't work as I expect. And there isn't enough
room anyway. You need to steer out of it, as my brother coaches. thing
is I just don't have the hang of it. And per some very good advice (
big shout out to leo ) ... I'm not so interested that I'll be pushing
this to the point where I break something ... probably me.
jim d
SID
http://www.mattfurey.com/mattfurey_uncensored/
I know you are into survival-ism and Matt Furey is right up your
alley. This guy will have you as tough as nails by next summer!
Jim
> SID <maro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Yep, that guy looks scary :-)
.....
I have another tune ready to Youtube, the holdup is what to do for
video. So I thought, hey, I have hundreds of pictures and movies I've
taken over the last few years on my computer, I'll just sort thru those
and find something. So I started in.
After looking at the pudgy past me, I'm thinking ... gawd, I was fat.
Can't use that, or that, or that. I understand saying anything critical
of anyone, even myself is un-pc, but geez ... fat fat fat.
Seriously, after a while I just quit looking and went in the other room
to watch some tv and eat some cookies :-)
I had two goals for the past summer, exercise and health wise. One was
to drop my weight to 160. That'd be from starting at 192. I made it to
163.
The other was to ride 100 miles in a day. Best I did was 64. I would
have managed 100 if I'd have set the goal for myself earlier. Spent all
summer working up the distance. By the time I realized that 30 miles was
doable, then 50, then 100 km ( 63 ) .... then set my sights on 100
miles, it was late in the fall. The few weekends left rained. I did one
big ride where I got caught far away from home in the rain, and that was
enough of that.
It's really hard to lose weight. I absolutely can't do it by dieting.
Never could, don't have the willpower to just stop eating. So when I
started biking for the fun of it and the weight started magically
dropping, I was hooked. No diet, eat all I want, and the pounds drop
anyway ... sweet.
I really don't want to start gaining again over the miserable ohio,
snowed in, crappy winter. But the rollers are too much, to dangerous.
Thanks for the link. You have me thinking about some non-biking sort of
exercise plan so I don't go all donut-ie while the snow flies.
Parting thought. I read somewhere that even moderate *regular* exercise
is good for the heart. Moderate .. like a short walk even. It's good for
you, like eating your vegetables :-)
jim d
Boyd Williamson
SpunkytheC-D96A2...@news.giganews.com, "jim d"
<Spunk...@t.com> wrote:
> Ah, but I was watching WarPlanes last week and they did a segment on the
> old biplanes of WWI. One big problem with those planes was that as the
> engines got more powerful, and bigger, they started behaving as
> gyroscopes bolted to the front of the plane.
Indeed, in WWI fighter planes, the gyro force of the rotary engine
manifested itself to the degree where it was often more effective to turn
270� in the opposite direction, than 90� in the direction they actually
intended. It might be illuminating that often, more WWI pilots were killed
in training, than in combat.
The two wheels of your bike would seem to be gyroscopes, and in the same way
that they help keep your balance on the road, might also keep your balance
on the static rig, if they are spinning fast enough. If you could spin them
fast enough, would the bike balance by itself?
Zoid
Jim
>
> > Ah, but I was watching WarPlanes last week and they did a segment on the
> > old biplanes of WWI. One big problem with those planes was that as the
> > engines got more powerful, and bigger, they started behaving as
> > gyroscopes bolted to the front of the plane.
>
> Indeed, in WWI fighter planes, the gyro force of the rotary engine
> manifested itself to the degree where it was often more effective to turn
> 270� in the opposite direction, than 90� in the direction they actually
> intended. It might be illuminating that often, more WWI pilots were killed
> in training, than in combat.
>
> The two wheels of your bike would seem to be gyroscopes, and in the same way
> that they help keep your balance on the road, might also keep your balance
> on the static rig, if they are spinning fast enough. If you could spin them
> fast enough, would the bike balance by itself?
>
> Zoid
I took that same bike out yesterday, making the Darwin video. It rides
great on actual road, my little no hands wobble moment included. Much of
the time I was riding the bike " no hands " in order to be video-ing.
Not to worry, stopped at the bike store last night and bought some
surplus mount things so I can do a handlebar mount for the camera.
That'll be sweet .. I see a fast downhill run coming :-)
Anyway, I played a bit with trying to feel the forces at work when you
steer the bike. Particularly on fast, jerky steering motions like I was
doing on the rollers. And yes, it seem to me that if I don't lean, and
if I steer quickly the bike reacts with a rolling motion along its
forward axis. Definitely there, but it's something every kid learning to
ride learns to deal with by leaning slightly.
On the rollers, leaning causes the wheels to want to spiral out from
under the bike. Think .. laying a marble on a spinning phonograph
record.
Oh, it can be done. People ride the things. Then again, people ride
unicycles. It just takes spending the time to get the knack of it.
jim d