I want CD-R What to buy????
Brian S. Graham
Hein van der Wielen / Radio Decibel wrote:
> I want to burn cd's in a good quality (at least MD sound quality):
You can buy a better soundcard for true 44.1kHz CD quality - check out
http://www.digitalaudio.com or http://www.zefiro.com/
>
> -What kind of hard disk do I need and how big should it be?
I recommend getting 2 large (1.2 GIG or larger) drives. Use one to
record your audio, the second to create 'disc-images' in case you have
problems burning some discs. I've had to do this with DATA discs
primarily but have done this with AUDIO in case they get too long...the
program just has to read 1 long file and not 12 or more files that may
be fragmented.
> -What CD-Recorders are recommendable? Costs?
I bought a SONY CDU920S (from Smart and Friendly)..But it was used and
got it for $400 US.
> -What CD-R discs are good? Costs?
I buy generic discs for about $7.00/each. Haven't had any problems
other than the ones I've caused.
> -What software...were to get?
Best software IMHO is Software Audio Workshop+ from Innovative Quality
Software http://www.iqsoft.com
> -What do I have to know before I begin....
You have to at least understand your hardware and how you want it to
work.
> -What are your experiences (drop outs, messy or unplayable disks or on
> the otherhand the positive things????? please let me know?)
I've messed up and created a few coasters (unusable discs). But other
than my mistakes and learning how my software works with the CD
Recorder, I've not had too many bad problems
> -What does it all cost.......
A LOT!! I spent approximately the following:
$600 - Digital Audio Labs CardD+ http://www.digitalaudio.com
$300 - Digital Audio Labs I/O CardD digital I/O card
$475 - Software Audio Workshop (SAW) from IQS http://www.iqsoft.com
$600 - New Hard Drives (2.0Gig & 1.0Gig)
$1000- Panasonic SV3700 Digital Audio Tape Player
$150 - CD Player with S/PDIF Digital Output (for making my own CD
compilations)
> -To be short...tell me how you like it and please let me "use" your
> knowledge to set up my own reliable cd-burning equipment....
Overall, I'm pleased with what I have. I started out remixing with
SAW/SAW+ before I ever bought my CD Recorder. I have a friend with a
CDR and the hardest thing he has to deal with is copying CDs to his hard
drive. It's really irregular copying it from CD using special computer
software to convert it from RAW CD format to WAV files.
I recommend the Digital Audio Labs CardD+ because of the better input
compared to a soundblaster-16 card. Others in my DAW group have
recommended the Turtle Beach Tahiti (for less money).
If you really want to get into some of this stuff (DAW-Digital Audio
Workstation), send an e-mail message to:
majo...@lists.mindspring.com
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I can provide a lot more help but it may get a bit detailed. I'm
burning a few CDs myself and am starting to offer this service to
others. More information may be obtained from http://www.missionrec.com
for other digital audio hardware/software.
Here are some of the links again with some additional informative
sites....
http://www.iqsoft.com
http://www.syntrillium.com
http://www.digitalaudio.com
http://www.missionrec.com
http://www.mainstream.net/~jarnold/cdrom/cdrom.html
http://www.hohnermidia.com
http://www.abg.com/sonic.html
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Hein van der Wielen / Radio Decibel
Hi there,
I am spinning for about six years now. I have some vinyl 12"es I want
on CD and I am not planning to carry along all CD-maxis for the rest
of my life, so I wanne put all good mixes on several CD-R's.
I need one thing for that...indead a CDR.
So I am going to buy a new computer next week and i am planning to buy
the CD-R stuff next month.
What do I need???
When I have my new PC I will have a pentium 133 with 1 gig HD, a
simple soundcard (16 bit).
I want to burn cd's in a good quality (at least MD sound quality):
-What kind of hard disk do I need and how big should it be?
-What CD-Recorders are recommendable? Costs?
-What CD-R discs are good? Costs?
-What software...were to get?
-What do I have to know before I begin....
-What are your experiences (drop outs, messy or unplayable disks or on
the otherhand the positive things????? please let me know?)
-What does it all cost.......
-To be short...tell me how you like it and please let me "use" your
knowledge to set up my own reliable cd-burning equipment....
Thanks in advance....
Happy New Year and spin it in '97....
Hein van der Wielen
The Netherlands - Europe
DJTOPSBB
Hans,
My "vast" ha! experience is to go with the stand alone Pioneer cdr-05.
This is a stand alone unit that operates with the ease of a home cassette
recorder. I've found it to be the ONLY way to go.
The downside of a built-in computer unit is that the recording session
actually is a 2-part process,(time Consuming) 1st you must build an
"image" file of the actual burn, then when that file is Finnally
manipulated you then record ,Burn the disc ,Thus the 2 recording sessions.
In my humble opinion, while pricey at $1500.00(U.S.$s) this beats the
software learning curve needed with cdrom recorders.
E-mail if u need more info!
DJTopsBB @aol.com
Bryan
John Maguire
Hein van der Wielen / Radio Decibel <wie...@worldonline.nl> wrote in
article <32c73c7a...@news.worldonline.nl>...
I just picked up a CDR (HP Sure Store CD-Writer 4020i) today. I have not
tried to mix on to my hard disk yet, but I have grabbed some tracks from
some cd's I have and made a non-mixed compilation of my favorite songs.
Here is what you need to consider:
1. You NEED a fast hard disk. Most CDR's require 12ms access time or
less. The HP I picked up today requries 20ms or less.
2. My CDR places negative values between tracks. (Spaces of 2 seconds in
which the CD player will count backwards from 3 or so to 0 and the next
track plays. I don't know if this can be corrected with software or not.
This sucks if you are planning on spinning a non-stop cd for obvious
reasons.
3. SCSI Interface. When CDR's frist came out for pc's they incuded their
own SCSI board. You MUST use the board your CDR drive comes with (unless
it says not to).
4. Price. I paid $400 for a returned product.
5. Software. You should get a CDR that includes software to grab CD-AUDIO
tracks as well as data.
6. OS platforms. Make sure it works with your OS. :-)
Thats basically the jist of it. If I can think of anyting else later I
will post it.
MHANIF
Do NOT make the stupid mistake and purchase a CDR. Wait for 2 or so
months and purchase a CD-E (erasable CDR) for perhaps the same price.
You will not be able to use standard blank CDR with this machine. You
will have to purchase blank CD-E's. So wait.
mha...@aol.com
dsh...@odyssee.net
Yeah....BUT CD-E will be compatible with cd-player like The denon? I
don't know...
Toto2000
I agree w/ one of the others in this discussion about cdr's. Stay away
from the computer CDR's (that is just my opinion, but it is shared by many
engineers). A good stand alone like the Pioneer or Marantz will cost you
more, but it will also be better quality and easier to use.
I may get some hate mail from some of you computer buffs, but I really
feel you will come out better with a stand alone unit. The prices are
coming down!
Brian S. Graham
Al Weltha wrote:
> toto...@aol.com (Toto2000) wrote:
>> Stay away
>>from the computer CDR's (that is just my opinion, but it is shared by many
>>feel you will come out better with a stand alone unit.
I bought my CDR for $400 (shipped). The Standalone unit I've seen
lately is $2399 + S&H (includes 10 blanks). For the extra $2000 I can
buy a LOT of blanks.
Depends on how you want to do this stuff. I've got a SAW+ on my system
with a Digital I/O Card so I can record 100% digital to my hard drives,
layout the tracks, and master my disc using Disc-At-Once (no gaps on
mixed stuff).
Also depends on WHICH CDR you buy. I've heard of others with problems
but have been lucky with my Sony CDU920S.
Bob Stuke
Al Weltha wrote:
>
> toto...@aol.com (Toto2000) wrote:
>
> > Stay away
> >from the computer CDR's (that is just my opinion, but it is shared by many
> >engineers). . . . . I really
> >feel you will come out better with a stand alone unit.
>
> Why? What is the difference?
>
Hey Al,
when I first read about CD-R the light bulbs went off!!! I could
preserve vinyl, record on permanent media some of my better work etc,
etc.
Not so fast my fine friend.
I have a HP 4020i CD-R drive that came with Adaptec's Easy-CD Pro
LE((VERY)Limited Edition).
I plugged my mixer into the line in on my SB 16.
I did pretty good at first. I created some .WAV files of an extended
Slide, a Tone Loc-Bust A Move mix, and a couple of other mixes. You
better have a shit load of disk space. 60 seconds of 44.1 Khz stereo WAV
file is 10 megabytes.
When I went to write the files to the CD, I got half way through and the
I got a buffer(????) underrun. What that means is take that CD out of
the drive and through it in the trash($7 to $10 each).
I got it straightened out after 3 CD's but I have to write at 1X(CDA
speed) instead of the faster 2X speed. But the write takes hours.
Ok fine.
They real reason I bought it was to make duplicates of a CD we had made
for our software business. You are suppose to be able to make a copy of
another audio CD using what is called Disk At Once(DAO).
WRONG!!!!!
No one supports DAO in their software right now. So what happens is the
software does a Track At Once copy, which puts a 2 second additional gap
between each song. Well this CD we have has 73:59 worth of program on it
and since a 74 minute CD only holds 74:12 on it, my 20 track CD would
not copy.
When I brought this to the attention of Adaptec, they said no way. So to
prove the point I made a copy of a "live" cd that has track markers
between the songs but continous applause. And sure enough there was a 2
second silent gap between each track!
So now they are saying the problem will be fixed in the next release.
We shall see . . . . . .
--
Bob Stuke
Uptown Sounds, Atlanta's Hottest Mobile DJ
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