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David Dalton
Sep 12, 2023, 12:13:57 AM9/12/23
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Here's a few of my poetry and song snippets from 1993 -- 1995:
https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
I am in St. John’s.
Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
will return soon and that it will include the ability to
complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
Constructive(!) criticism is welcome.
Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
but I never bothered her. However her record label
person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
--
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"And the cart is on a wheel; And the wheel is on a hill;
And the hill is shifting sand; And inside these laws we stand” (Ferron)
https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
I am in St. John’s.
Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
will return soon and that it will include the ability to
complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
Constructive(!) criticism is welcome.
Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
but I never bothered her. However her record label
person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
--
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"And the cart is on a wheel; And the wheel is on a hill;
And the hill is shifting sand; And inside these laws we stand” (Ferron)
W.Dockery
Sep 12, 2023, 12:10:14 PM9/12/23
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🙂
General-Zod
Sep 12, 2023, 4:30:13 PM9/12/23
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David Dalton wrote:
>
> Here's a few of my poetry and song snippets from 1993 -- 1995:
> https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
> I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
> needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
> at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
> I am in St. John’s.
> Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
> an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
> will return soon and that it will include the ability to
> complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
> Constructive(!) criticism is welcome.
> Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
> but I never bothered her. However her record label
> person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
> the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
> me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
> of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
Hi there David, I am reading these excellent verse pieces now, outstanding poetics...
>
> Here's a few of my poetry and song snippets from 1993 -- 1995:
> https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
> I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
> needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
> at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
> I am in St. John’s.
> Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
> an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
> will return soon and that it will include the ability to
> complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
> Constructive(!) criticism is welcome.
> Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
> but I never bothered her. However her record label
> person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
> the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
> me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
> of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
General-Zod
Sep 13, 2023, 7:30:14 PM9/13/23
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On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 11:32:20 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
Nancy G. you are not a very good judge of poetry, but you sure are a great know-it-all...
And a stalker troll, that's your main, or only, talent... ha ha.
> >
> > Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
> > an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
> > will return soon and that it will include the ability to
> > complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
> First, you should find out how to write poems and not the embarrassingly juvenile, no meter examples that you have offered.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
More evidence that Nancy Gene is a malicious troll in personal attack mode...! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:13:57 AM UTC, David Dalton wrote:
>
> > Here's a few of my poetry and song snippets from 1993 -- 1995:
> >
> > https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
> >
> > I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
> > needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
> > at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
> > I am in St. John’s.
> Mr. Dalton, you have no poetry writing talent. At. All.
>
> > Here's a few of my poetry and song snippets from 1993 -- 1995:
> >
> > https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
> >
> > I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
> > needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
> > at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
> > I am in St. John’s.
Nancy G. you are not a very good judge of poetry, but you sure are a great know-it-all...
And a stalker troll, that's your main, or only, talent... ha ha.
> >
> > Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
> > an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
> > will return soon and that it will include the ability to
> > complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
> >
> > Constructive(!) criticism is welcome.
> >
> > Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
> > but I never bothered her. However her record label
> > person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
> > the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
> > me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
> > of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
> Sure, she "silently approached" you. Add delusional to your diagnosis of bi-polar. She is singing her songs TO YOU, with HIDDEN MEANINGS and MESSAGES. Look up Erotomania.
> > Constructive(!) criticism is welcome.
> >
> > Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
> > but I never bothered her. However her record label
> > person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
> > the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
> > me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
> > of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
More evidence that Nancy Gene is a malicious troll in personal attack mode...! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
W.Dockery
Sep 13, 2023, 9:30:13 PM9/13/23
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On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 9:10:45 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> "In 1994, McLachlan was sued by Uwe Vandrei, an obsessed fan from Ottawa, who alleged that his letters to her had been the basis of the single "Possession". The lawsuit was also challenging for the Canadian legal system since Vandrei was an admitted stalker whose acknowledged goal in filing the lawsuit was to be near McLachlan. Consequently, precautions were taken to ensure McLachlan's safety if she had to be in the same location as Vandrei. Before the trial began, however, Vandrei was found dead in an apparent suicide."
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_McLachlan
I haven't done much research on Sarah McLachlan.
> On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:30:16 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 11:32:20 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:13:57 AM UTC, David Dalton wrote:
> > >
> > On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 11:32:20 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:13:57 AM UTC, David Dalton wrote:
> > >
> > > > Here's a few of my poetry and song snippets from 1993 -- 1995:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
> > > >
> > > > I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
> > > > needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
> > > > at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
> > > > I am in St. John’s.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
> > > >
> > > > I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
> > > > needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
> > > > at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
> > > > I am in St. John’s.
> > > Mr. Dalton, you have no poetry writing talent. At. All.
> > Nancy G. you are not a very good judge of poetry, but you sure are a great know-it-all...
> NancyGene has shown herself to be an excellent judge of poetry on countless occasions. And while she may not be omniscient, I can see how someone like you would mistake her for such.
> > Nancy G. you are not a very good judge of poetry, but you sure are a great know-it-all...
> > And a stalker troll, that's your main, or only, talent... ha ha.
> She's a highly talented poet, Stinky (whereas you're an untalented pretender).
> > > > Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
> > > > an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
> > > > will return soon and that it will include the ability to
> > > > complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
> > > > an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
> > > > will return soon and that it will include the ability to
> > > > complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
> > > First, you should find out how to write poems and not the embarrassingly juvenile, no meter examples that you have offered.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Constructive(!) criticism is welcome.
> > > >
> > > > Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
> > > > but I never bothered her. However her record label
> > > > person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
> > > > the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
> > > > me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
> > > > of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
> > > >
> > > > Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
> > > > but I never bothered her. However her record label
> > > > person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
> > > > the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
> > > > me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
> > > > of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
> > > Sure, she "silently approached" you. Add delusional to your diagnosis of bi-polar. She is singing her songs TO YOU, with HIDDEN MEANINGS and MESSAGES. Look up Erotomania.
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > More evidence that Nancy Gene is a malicious troll in personal attack mode...! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Apparently Sarah frequently bases her lyrics on mail from her fans:
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > More evidence that Nancy Gene is a malicious troll in personal attack mode...! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> "In 1994, McLachlan was sued by Uwe Vandrei, an obsessed fan from Ottawa, who alleged that his letters to her had been the basis of the single "Possession". The lawsuit was also challenging for the Canadian legal system since Vandrei was an admitted stalker whose acknowledged goal in filing the lawsuit was to be near McLachlan. Consequently, precautions were taken to ensure McLachlan's safety if she had to be in the same location as Vandrei. Before the trial began, however, Vandrei was found dead in an apparent suicide."
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_McLachlan
I haven't done much research on Sarah McLachlan.
General-Zod
Sep 15, 2023, 2:10:13 PM9/15/23
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Will Dockery wrote:
> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 5:58:43 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SiylvmFI_8
> Good selection. Zod.
I learned so much about a wide variety of music in the Navy, a very diverse group of men who become sailors...
> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 5:58:43 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
>> On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 9:30:13 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:13:57 AM UTC, David Dalton wrote:
>
>> > > > > On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:13:57 AM UTC, David Dalton wrote:
>
>> > > > > > Here's a few of my poetry and song snippets from 1993 -- 1995:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
>> > > > > > needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
>> > > > > > at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
>> > > > > > I am in St. John’s.
>
>> > > > > > Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
>> > > > > > an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
>> > > > > > will return soon and that it will include the ability to
>> > > > > > complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
>> > > > > > needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
>> > > > > > at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
>> > > > > > I am in St. John’s.
>
>> > > > > > Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
>> > > > > > an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
>> > > > > > will return soon and that it will include the ability to
>> > > > > > complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
>> > > > > First, you should find out how to write poems and not the embarrassingly juvenile, no meter examples that you have offered.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Constructive(!) criticism is welcome.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
>> > > > > > but I never bothered her. However her record label
>> > > > > > person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
>> > > > > > the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
>> > > > > > me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
>> > > > > > of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
>> > > > > > but I never bothered her. However her record label
>> > > > > > person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
>> > > > > > the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
>> > > > > > me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
>> > > > > > of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
>> > > > > Sure, she "silently approached" you. Add delusional to your diagnosis of bi-polar. She is singing her songs TO YOU, with HIDDEN MEANINGS and MESSAGES. Look up Erotomania.
>> > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> > > >
>> > > > More evidence that Nancy Gene is a malicious troll in personal attack mode...! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> > > Apparently Sarah frequently bases her lyrics on mail from her fans:
>> > >
>> > > "In 1994, McLachlan was sued by Uwe Vandrei, an obsessed fan from Ottawa, who alleged that his letters to her had been the basis of the single "Possession". The lawsuit was also challenging for the Canadian legal system since Vandrei was an admitted stalker whose acknowledged goal in filing the lawsuit was to be near McLachlan. Consequently, precautions were taken to ensure McLachlan's safety if she had to be in the same location as Vandrei.. Before the trial began, however, Vandrei was found dead in an apparent suicide."
>> > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> > > >
>> > > > More evidence that Nancy Gene is a malicious troll in personal attack mode...! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> > > Apparently Sarah frequently bases her lyrics on mail from her fans:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_McLachlan
>> > I haven't done much research on Sarah McLachlan.
>> I liked her songs back in my Navy days, a bunk mate had her cassette tapes...
>> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_McLachlan
>> > I haven't done much research on Sarah McLachlan.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SiylvmFI_8
> Good selection. Zod.
I learned so much about a wide variety of music in the Navy, a very diverse group of men who become sailors...
W.Dockery
Sep 16, 2023, 3:20:13 AM9/16/23
to
David Dalton wrote:
> On Sep 15, 2023, Michael Pendragon wrote
> (in article<8cfa3fcb-e741-4db6...@googlegroups.com>):
>> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:07:15 AM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
>> > On Sep 12, 2023, NancyGene wrote
>> > (in article<5048b637-2cee-4717...@googlegroups.com>):
>> > obsessed with me, and two mutual friends of ours in Vancouver
>> > invited me to two gigs (not hers, other musicians) and she
>> > effectively did two hit-and-runs on me, in the first moist palming
>> > my right elbow from behind, pulling it to the left, and running off
>> > to the right, and it the second she drank me up with her eyes
>> > near the bar. Those incidents later influenced the following lyrics:
>> >
>> > "Don’t understand
>> > The touch of your hand [elbow]
>> > I would be the one to fall
>> > I miss the little things
>> > I miss everything about you”
>> >
>> > from Sweet Surrender
>> >
>> > and
>> >
>> > "We meet at the lights
>> > I stare for a while
>> > The world around us disappears
>> >
>> > <snip>
>> >
>> > Oh but everytime I’m close to you
>> > There’s too much I can’t say
>> > And you just walk away”
>> >
>> > from I Love You, and note the “silent approach”.
>> >
>> > I did not approach her even when she wanted me to; she
>> > approached me. And when I knew where she lived since
>> > her housemates were listed in the phone book, I never
>> > went near the place.
>> >
>> > I suggest you listen to the album; she is obviously obsessed
>> > with a “mystery man” and why couldn’t that “mystery man”
>> > be me, especially given our interactions in the spring of 1995,
>> > and that I think my playful writing on the FTE list might have
>> > fulfilled some of her prophetic dreams.
>> > "For she is the perfect creature, natural in every feature
>> > And I am the geek with the alchemists' stone" (Jimmy MacCarthy)
>>
>> I'm sorry, David, but I think the supposed messages/references to you in the
>> lyrics are an unbelievably huge stretch... and that's assuming that the elbow
>> touching and bar gazing incidents actually occurred.
> It is not unbelievable. From 1991 to 1994 I booked, hosted, and
> did sound for live music on Friday nights at the UBC grad centre,
> and got to know many musicians, including Danielle French,
> who recorded a CD with members of Sarah McLachlan’s band.
> I also got to know Ariane Behrend, a volunteer with the band
> The Paperboys, who I taught a bit about doing sound, and who
> told me she regularly went to brunch at Sophie’s Cosmic
> Cafe with Sarah McLachlan and her drummer and housemate
> (and future husband) Ashwin Sood. Moreover, from early
> summer 1994 on I engaged in a lot of playful but non-obsessive
> writing on the FTE mailing list, devoted to Sarah McLachlan and
> her music, and her record label representative Cathy Barrett
> was on the list and must have relayed THE BEST OF my
> writing to Sarah for her amusement, and it somehow struck
> a chord.
> Then is early spring 1995 Ariane put me on the guest list
> for Shane MacGowan and The Popes with The Paperboys
> opening, at The Commodore Ballroom, and that is
> where the elbow pulling incident occurred. And it
> was no ordinary touch, but similar to that described in
> these lyrics by The Weather Station:
> "There was a time you put your hand on the small of my back I was surprised
> that you touched me like that
> But there in your hand was a current of life
> I could hardly stand.”
> It was an electric, warming, compatible touch, but I didn’t
> realize it was her until after the later stare incident occurred,
> since she ran off so fast.
> Then in May 1995 Danielle invited me to her showcase set
> for Music West at The Treehouse Lounge in the basement
> of The St. Regis hotel. That is where the stare incident
> occurred, and it was no ordinary stare, but as if she was
> the obsessive fan and I was the star, as if she was
> drinking me up with her eyes. But I wish she had
> just gotten Ariane or Danielle to introduce us.
> If the touch and stare had occurred at the same time
> she would have landed this leprechaun, but since
> they didn’t we formed what I call an old lock between
> me, a straight-type-2-M, and her, a bif (woman attracted
> to both genders, though I think she is straight by
> lifestyle choice these days). The old lock means
> that I cannot get any other bif without her permission
> and she cannot get any other straight-type-2-M,
> just less compatible with her straight-type-1 men
> and bims (males attracted to both genders). Some
> other well-known straight-type-2 men with old locks are
> Jack Nicholson, Jim Carrey, Leonardo Dicaprio,
> Chris Issak, and Josh Groban. If my current magickal
> workings actually work, these old locks (and any
> other no-sex locks) will be rendered incomplete.
> But anyway, I know that there oodles of cases of fans
> thinking lyrics are about and/or for them, so I don’t
> expect you to believe me.
Interesting back story, David.
> On Sep 15, 2023, Michael Pendragon wrote
> (in article<8cfa3fcb-e741-4db6...@googlegroups.com>):
>> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:07:15 AM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
>> > On Sep 12, 2023, NancyGene wrote
>> > (in article<5048b637-2cee-4717...@googlegroups.com>):
>> > > On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:13:57 AM UTC, David Dalton wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
>> > > > but I never bothered her. However her record label
>> > > > person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
>> > > > the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
>> > > > me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
>> > > > of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
>> > >
>> > > > but I never bothered her. However her record label
>> > > > person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
>> > > > the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
>> > > > me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
>> > > > of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
>> > >
>> > > Sure, she "silently approached" you. Add delusional to your diagnosis of
>> > > bi-polar. She is singing her songs TO YOU, with HIDDEN MEANINGS and
>> > > MESSAGES.
>> > > Look up Erotomania.
>> > Have you listened to the album? She was the one who was
>> > > bi-polar. She is singing her songs TO YOU, with HIDDEN MEANINGS and
>> > > MESSAGES.
>> > > Look up Erotomania.
>> > obsessed with me, and two mutual friends of ours in Vancouver
>> > invited me to two gigs (not hers, other musicians) and she
>> > effectively did two hit-and-runs on me, in the first moist palming
>> > my right elbow from behind, pulling it to the left, and running off
>> > to the right, and it the second she drank me up with her eyes
>> > near the bar. Those incidents later influenced the following lyrics:
>> >
>> > "Don’t understand
>> > The touch of your hand [elbow]
>> > I would be the one to fall
>> > I miss the little things
>> > I miss everything about you”
>> >
>> > from Sweet Surrender
>> >
>> > and
>> >
>> > "We meet at the lights
>> > I stare for a while
>> > The world around us disappears
>> >
>> > <snip>
>> >
>> > Oh but everytime I’m close to you
>> > There’s too much I can’t say
>> > And you just walk away”
>> >
>> > from I Love You, and note the “silent approach”.
>> >
>> > I did not approach her even when she wanted me to; she
>> > approached me. And when I knew where she lived since
>> > her housemates were listed in the phone book, I never
>> > went near the place.
>> >
>> > I suggest you listen to the album; she is obviously obsessed
>> > with a “mystery man” and why couldn’t that “mystery man”
>> > be me, especially given our interactions in the spring of 1995,
>> > and that I think my playful writing on the FTE list might have
>> > fulfilled some of her prophetic dreams.
>> > "For she is the perfect creature, natural in every feature
>> > And I am the geek with the alchemists' stone" (Jimmy MacCarthy)
>>
>> I'm sorry, David, but I think the supposed messages/references to you in the
>> lyrics are an unbelievably huge stretch... and that's assuming that the elbow
>> touching and bar gazing incidents actually occurred.
> It is not unbelievable. From 1991 to 1994 I booked, hosted, and
> did sound for live music on Friday nights at the UBC grad centre,
> and got to know many musicians, including Danielle French,
> who recorded a CD with members of Sarah McLachlan’s band.
> I also got to know Ariane Behrend, a volunteer with the band
> The Paperboys, who I taught a bit about doing sound, and who
> told me she regularly went to brunch at Sophie’s Cosmic
> Cafe with Sarah McLachlan and her drummer and housemate
> (and future husband) Ashwin Sood. Moreover, from early
> summer 1994 on I engaged in a lot of playful but non-obsessive
> writing on the FTE mailing list, devoted to Sarah McLachlan and
> her music, and her record label representative Cathy Barrett
> was on the list and must have relayed THE BEST OF my
> writing to Sarah for her amusement, and it somehow struck
> a chord.
> Then is early spring 1995 Ariane put me on the guest list
> for Shane MacGowan and The Popes with The Paperboys
> opening, at The Commodore Ballroom, and that is
> where the elbow pulling incident occurred. And it
> was no ordinary touch, but similar to that described in
> these lyrics by The Weather Station:
> "There was a time you put your hand on the small of my back I was surprised
> that you touched me like that
> But there in your hand was a current of life
> I could hardly stand.”
> It was an electric, warming, compatible touch, but I didn’t
> realize it was her until after the later stare incident occurred,
> since she ran off so fast.
> Then in May 1995 Danielle invited me to her showcase set
> for Music West at The Treehouse Lounge in the basement
> of The St. Regis hotel. That is where the stare incident
> occurred, and it was no ordinary stare, but as if she was
> the obsessive fan and I was the star, as if she was
> drinking me up with her eyes. But I wish she had
> just gotten Ariane or Danielle to introduce us.
> If the touch and stare had occurred at the same time
> she would have landed this leprechaun, but since
> they didn’t we formed what I call an old lock between
> me, a straight-type-2-M, and her, a bif (woman attracted
> to both genders, though I think she is straight by
> lifestyle choice these days). The old lock means
> that I cannot get any other bif without her permission
> and she cannot get any other straight-type-2-M,
> just less compatible with her straight-type-1 men
> and bims (males attracted to both genders). Some
> other well-known straight-type-2 men with old locks are
> Jack Nicholson, Jim Carrey, Leonardo Dicaprio,
> Chris Issak, and Josh Groban. If my current magickal
> workings actually work, these old locks (and any
> other no-sex locks) will be rendered incomplete.
> But anyway, I know that there oodles of cases of fans
> thinking lyrics are about and/or for them, so I don’t
> expect you to believe me.
Interesting back story, David.
W.Dockery
Sep 17, 2023, 12:25:13 AM9/17/23
to
David Dalton wrote:
> Here's a few of my poetry and song snippets from 1993 -- 1995:
> https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
> I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
> needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
> at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
> I am in St. John’s.
> Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
> an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
> will return soon and that it will include the ability to
> complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
> Constructive(!) criticism is welcome.
> Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
> but I never bothered her. However her record label
> person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
> the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
> me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
> of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
Back to the topic, good work, David, I hope you get past the writer's block and get some new poetry going soon.
> Here's a few of my poetry and song snippets from 1993 -- 1995:
> https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
> I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
> needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
> at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
> I am in St. John’s.
> Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
> an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
> will return soon and that it will include the ability to
> complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
> Constructive(!) criticism is welcome.
> Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
> but I never bothered her. However her record label
> person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
> the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
> me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
> of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
HTH and HAND.
W.Dockery
Sep 18, 2023, 12:50:15 AM9/18/23
to
On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 5:59:54 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> On Sep 17, 2023, Michael Pendragon wrote
> (in article<0bf762c1-79a0-4934...@googlegroups.com>):
> > On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 12:38:09 AM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > > On Sep 17, 2023, Michael Pendragon wrote
> > > (in article<59226ee5-891a-4553...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 10:23:50 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > > > > On Sep 16, 2023, Michael Pendragon wrote
> > > > > (in article<4eb745ae-5eef-4d4b...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > > On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 12:30:12 AM UTC-4, David Dalton
> > > > > >
> > > > > > She allegedly pulled your elbow.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > She then wrote a song about someone (unidentified in the lyric) putting
> > > > > > his
> > > > > > hand on the small of her back.
> > >
> > > > > Huh, I said that the lyrics about the small of the back were by
> > > > > The Weather Station, not by Sarah, but that it was a similar
> > > > > electric, warming, compatible touch. You are not a very
> > > > > good reader, and seem to be a contrarian.
> > > >
> > > > I'm a very good reader, David. I just don't have any knowledge of pop music
> > > > (post 1964). I don't know a thing about Sarah McLachlan. I googled her to
> > > > see
> > > > who you were talking about, and found the information about her stalker on
> > > > Wikipedia. I assumed that the "Weather Station" was either Sarah's album or
> > > > band.
> > > >
> > > > Now you're saying that some band that wasn't connected with Sarah wrote a
> > > > lyric about a man placing his hand on the small of a woman's back, and that
> > > > this is a secret reference to Sarah's having pulled your elbow?
> > > I didn’t say it was a reference to the elbow touch. I said it
> > > was a similar touch, this time between a bim and a
> > > straight-type-2-F, whereas Sarah and I are a bif and
> > > a straight-type-2-M.
> >
> > Apart from being a touch (and touches are very common occurrences), why
> > should Weather Station's lyric be about Sarah touching you?
> They aren’t, they are about a similar Touch.
> > > > 1) You wrote about Sarah in a fan group.
> > > > 2) A friend of hers *may* have brought some of your posts to her attention.
> > > Obviously she did, based on Sarah’s behaviour towards me
> > > in the spring of 1995.
> >
> > 1) It isn't obvious to me.
> > 2) AFAICS Sarah's only "behavior" was to stare back (if she even was staring)
> > at someone who was staring at her.
> No, I did not initiate the stare. I was coming back from the
> washroom and she was standing near the bar and directly
> faced me and stared at me as if I was her long lost lover.
> > > > 3) One night at a bar someone pulled your elbow, but you didn't see who it
> > > > was.
> > > I saw her from behind, and my memory of the incident later
> > > was consistent with it being her.
> >
> > If you only saw her from behind, she might not have even been in the bar. And
> > your memory of being pulled would be just as consistent if applied to anyone
> > else who was in the bar.
> >
> > IMHO, people don't pull on the elbows of strangers (or even of friends). I
> > suspect that someone caught their jacket or purse on you as they passed. In
> > any case, the "pulling" would have been accidental.
> No, I was on some steps off to the side in a rapidly emptying
> bar, and she came up behind me and palmed my right
> elbow from behind and pulled it to the left, causing me
> to look to the left, and she ran off to the right. Again it
> was a warming, electric, compatible Touch, and was
> most definitely not accidental.
> > How can you be sure that Sarah simply wasn't lost in thought and completely
> > unaware of what her eyes appeared to be "staring" at?
> She wasn’t sitting down, she was planted standing about a metre
> away from me near the bar, full frontal, no doubt.
>
> I mentioned the songs Sweet Surrender and I Love You.
>
> Other references that may have been to me in her lyrics
> are:
>
> 1. I Will Remember You (IWRY)
>
> "But once there was a darkness, deep and endless night
> You gave me everything you had, oh you gave me light”
>
> which indicated that my playful writing brought her out
> of depression, like Jesus casting demons out of
> Mary Magdalene.
>
> 2. Do What You Have To Do
>
> "And I have the sense to recognize
> That I don’t know how to let you go
> Every moment marked with apparitions of your soul
> I’m ever swiftly moving, trying to escape this desire
>
> <snip>
>
> A glowing ember
> Burning hot and burning slow
> Deep within, I’m shaken by the violence
> Of existing for only you”
>
> 3. Adia
>
> "Adia I’m empty since you left me trying to find a way to carry on
> I search myself and everyone
> to see where we went wrong”
>
> (written after I left Vancouver at the end of 1995,
> and note that on the FTE list I referred to her as
> S quite often and myself as D at times, and in
> the song at times she says “A D” for Adia).
>
> 4. Building a Mystery
>
> (written after I wrote her a long letter that later served as
> a first draft for my Salmon on the Thorns web page)
>
> "Oh you’re so beautiful
> A beautiful fucked up man
> You’re setting up your
> Razor wire shrine
>
> ‘Cause you’re working
> Building a mystery
> Holding on, holding it in
> Oh yeah you’re working
> Building a mystery
> And choosing so carefully”
>
> (so that one was less complimentary. And when she
> did the song at a September 10, 2004 concert in
> Vancouver that I attended, when she said
> “beautiful fucked-up man” she looked in my
> direction, and I had posted my seat number to
> alt.music.s-mclachlan.)
>
> 5. Illusions of Bliss
>
> “ ‘Cause it’s you who released me
> It’s you who gave me fire
> Oh, and now it’s impossible to grow
> Without breaking stride, I get so high
>
> Take me out beyond the incline
> Make it past the former fault line
> For today I let the moment win
>
> Here I go again, saying things I shouldn’t say
> Just so I can hear them back from you”
>
> which references my Earth Sciences background,
> and again my releasing her from depression.
>
> 6. Monsters
>
> "And don’t you know that there’s a wolf stalking in sheep’s
> clothing tells me he’s the real thing
> Think what your life would be missing
> if you didn’t have him to sing
> To sing about”
>
> Which references my claim to be similar to The Lamb,
> and I guess that I may have been guilty of a little
> e-stalking, and that she has sung about me.
>
> The above six, and Sweet Surrender and I Love You
> that I quoted from earlier, are all from after the
> Fumbling Towards Ecstasy album, so within the
> period when she may have been aware of me. But
> I also fulfilled prophecies made by her in some of
> her earlier songs, especially in my 1991 sun stare, naked
> thorn hill climb, and blue rose vision, which I
> didn’t discuss online much until late 1996 and 1997,
> but I think she was aware of the sun stare.
> And I think that she has prophetic dreams ability.
>
> Also at her Sunflower Sunday concert I spread my
> arms wide and then cast them towards her, and I
> think she saw me and felt something (I later
> mentioned it in a review that I posted, which is
> on my home page, as is a picture of me with
> her on stage on November 14, 2014, which
> she wouldn’t have done if she considered me
> a stalker).
>
> Also on the night of January 29, 1995, shortly before
> new moon, I sent a factor 100 (where 10 is excellent)
> kundalini antenna orgasm wave from Vancouver to
> her and Crystal (who I had not seen, so it may not have
> gone to her) then in New Zealand, and I think she
> felt it. Weeks later I received a similar wave that
> I think was from her, though at the time I joked that
> it may have been from a blue whale near Hawaii.
>
> Also some mystic blocks associated with me including
> against recognition of my presence in the artwork of
> others, and against my having romantic involvement
> with Sarah, have supposedly been lifted, so I hope
> you will re-evaluate your position.
> On Sep 17, 2023, Michael Pendragon wrote
> (in article<0bf762c1-79a0-4934...@googlegroups.com>):
> > On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 12:38:09 AM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > > On Sep 17, 2023, Michael Pendragon wrote
> > > (in article<59226ee5-891a-4553...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 10:23:50 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > > > > On Sep 16, 2023, Michael Pendragon wrote
> > > > > (in article<4eb745ae-5eef-4d4b...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > > On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 12:30:12 AM UTC-4, David Dalton
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Then is early spring 1995 Ariane put me on the guest list
> > > > > > > for Shane MacGowan and The Popes with The Paperboys
> > > > > > > opening, at The Commodore Ballroom, and that is
> > > > > > > where the elbow pulling incident occurred. And it
> > > > > > > was no ordinary touch, but similar to that described in
> > > > > > > these lyrics by The Weather Station:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "There was a time you put your hand on the small of my back I was
> > > > > > > surprised
> > > > > > > that you touched me like that
> > > > > > > But there in your hand was a current of life
> > > > > > > I could hardly stand.”
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It was an electric, warming, compatible touch, but I didn’t
> > > > > > > realize it was her until after the later stare incident occurred,
> > > > > > > since she ran off so fast.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wait a second...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Then is early spring 1995 Ariane put me on the guest list
> > > > > > > for Shane MacGowan and The Popes with The Paperboys
> > > > > > > opening, at The Commodore Ballroom, and that is
> > > > > > > where the elbow pulling incident occurred. And it
> > > > > > > was no ordinary touch, but similar to that described in
> > > > > > > these lyrics by The Weather Station:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "There was a time you put your hand on the small of my back I was
> > > > > > > surprised
> > > > > > > that you touched me like that
> > > > > > > But there in your hand was a current of life
> > > > > > > I could hardly stand.”
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It was an electric, warming, compatible touch, but I didn’t
> > > > > > > realize it was her until after the later stare incident occurred,
> > > > > > > since she ran off so fast.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > She allegedly pulled your elbow.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > She then wrote a song about someone (unidentified in the lyric) putting
> > > > > > his
> > > > > > hand on the small of her back.
> > >
> > > > > Huh, I said that the lyrics about the small of the back were by
> > > > > The Weather Station, not by Sarah, but that it was a similar
> > > > > electric, warming, compatible touch. You are not a very
> > > > > good reader, and seem to be a contrarian.
> > > >
> > > > I'm a very good reader, David. I just don't have any knowledge of pop music
> > > > (post 1964). I don't know a thing about Sarah McLachlan. I googled her to
> > > > see
> > > > who you were talking about, and found the information about her stalker on
> > > > Wikipedia. I assumed that the "Weather Station" was either Sarah's album or
> > > > band.
> > > >
> > > > Now you're saying that some band that wasn't connected with Sarah wrote a
> > > > lyric about a man placing his hand on the small of a woman's back, and that
> > > > this is a secret reference to Sarah's having pulled your elbow?
> > > I didn’t say it was a reference to the elbow touch. I said it
> > > was a similar touch, this time between a bim and a
> > > straight-type-2-F, whereas Sarah and I are a bif and
> > > a straight-type-2-M.
> >
> > Apart from being a touch (and touches are very common occurrences), why
> > should Weather Station's lyric be about Sarah touching you?
> They aren’t, they are about a similar Touch.
> > > > 1) You wrote about Sarah in a fan group.
> > > > 2) A friend of hers *may* have brought some of your posts to her attention.
> > > Obviously she did, based on Sarah’s behaviour towards me
> > > in the spring of 1995.
> >
> > 1) It isn't obvious to me.
> > 2) AFAICS Sarah's only "behavior" was to stare back (if she even was staring)
> > at someone who was staring at her.
> No, I did not initiate the stare. I was coming back from the
> washroom and she was standing near the bar and directly
> faced me and stared at me as if I was her long lost lover.
> > > > 3) One night at a bar someone pulled your elbow, but you didn't see who it
> > > > was.
> > > I saw her from behind, and my memory of the incident later
> > > was consistent with it being her.
> >
> > If you only saw her from behind, she might not have even been in the bar. And
> > your memory of being pulled would be just as consistent if applied to anyone
> > else who was in the bar.
> >
> > IMHO, people don't pull on the elbows of strangers (or even of friends). I
> > suspect that someone caught their jacket or purse on you as they passed. In
> > any case, the "pulling" would have been accidental.
> No, I was on some steps off to the side in a rapidly emptying
> bar, and she came up behind me and palmed my right
> elbow from behind and pulled it to the left, causing me
> to look to the left, and she ran off to the right. Again it
> was a warming, electric, compatible Touch, and was
> most definitely not accidental.
> > How can you be sure that Sarah simply wasn't lost in thought and completely
> > unaware of what her eyes appeared to be "staring" at?
> She wasn’t sitting down, she was planted standing about a metre
> away from me near the bar, full frontal, no doubt.
>
> I mentioned the songs Sweet Surrender and I Love You.
>
> Other references that may have been to me in her lyrics
> are:
>
> 1. I Will Remember You (IWRY)
>
> "But once there was a darkness, deep and endless night
> You gave me everything you had, oh you gave me light”
>
> which indicated that my playful writing brought her out
> of depression, like Jesus casting demons out of
> Mary Magdalene.
>
> 2. Do What You Have To Do
>
> "And I have the sense to recognize
> That I don’t know how to let you go
> Every moment marked with apparitions of your soul
> I’m ever swiftly moving, trying to escape this desire
>
> <snip>
>
> A glowing ember
> Burning hot and burning slow
> Deep within, I’m shaken by the violence
> Of existing for only you”
>
> 3. Adia
>
> "Adia I’m empty since you left me trying to find a way to carry on
> I search myself and everyone
> to see where we went wrong”
>
> (written after I left Vancouver at the end of 1995,
> and note that on the FTE list I referred to her as
> S quite often and myself as D at times, and in
> the song at times she says “A D” for Adia).
>
> 4. Building a Mystery
>
> (written after I wrote her a long letter that later served as
> a first draft for my Salmon on the Thorns web page)
>
> "Oh you’re so beautiful
> A beautiful fucked up man
> You’re setting up your
> Razor wire shrine
>
> ‘Cause you’re working
> Building a mystery
> Holding on, holding it in
> Oh yeah you’re working
> Building a mystery
> And choosing so carefully”
>
> (so that one was less complimentary. And when she
> did the song at a September 10, 2004 concert in
> Vancouver that I attended, when she said
> “beautiful fucked-up man” she looked in my
> direction, and I had posted my seat number to
> alt.music.s-mclachlan.)
>
> 5. Illusions of Bliss
>
> “ ‘Cause it’s you who released me
> It’s you who gave me fire
> Oh, and now it’s impossible to grow
> Without breaking stride, I get so high
>
> Take me out beyond the incline
> Make it past the former fault line
> For today I let the moment win
>
> Here I go again, saying things I shouldn’t say
> Just so I can hear them back from you”
>
> which references my Earth Sciences background,
> and again my releasing her from depression.
>
> 6. Monsters
>
> "And don’t you know that there’s a wolf stalking in sheep’s
> clothing tells me he’s the real thing
> Think what your life would be missing
> if you didn’t have him to sing
> To sing about”
>
> Which references my claim to be similar to The Lamb,
> and I guess that I may have been guilty of a little
> e-stalking, and that she has sung about me.
>
> The above six, and Sweet Surrender and I Love You
> that I quoted from earlier, are all from after the
> Fumbling Towards Ecstasy album, so within the
> period when she may have been aware of me. But
> I also fulfilled prophecies made by her in some of
> her earlier songs, especially in my 1991 sun stare, naked
> thorn hill climb, and blue rose vision, which I
> didn’t discuss online much until late 1996 and 1997,
> but I think she was aware of the sun stare.
> And I think that she has prophetic dreams ability.
>
> Also at her Sunflower Sunday concert I spread my
> arms wide and then cast them towards her, and I
> think she saw me and felt something (I later
> mentioned it in a review that I posted, which is
> on my home page, as is a picture of me with
> her on stage on November 14, 2014, which
> she wouldn’t have done if she considered me
> a stalker).
>
> Also on the night of January 29, 1995, shortly before
> new moon, I sent a factor 100 (where 10 is excellent)
> kundalini antenna orgasm wave from Vancouver to
> her and Crystal (who I had not seen, so it may not have
> gone to her) then in New Zealand, and I think she
> felt it. Weeks later I received a similar wave that
> I think was from her, though at the time I joked that
> it may have been from a blue whale near Hawaii.
>
> Also some mystic blocks associated with me including
> against recognition of my presence in the artwork of
> others, and against my having romantic involvement
> with Sarah, have supposedly been lifted, so I hope
> you will re-evaluate your position.
> "For she is the perfect creature, natural in every feature
> And I am the geek with the alchemists' stone" (Jimmy MacCarthy)
Again, interesting back story.
> And I am the geek with the alchemists' stone" (Jimmy MacCarthy)
David Dalton
Sep 18, 2023, 1:35:51 AM9/18/23
to
On Sep 18, 2023, W.Dockery wrote
(in article<b833391a8b612da7...@news.novabbs.com>):
> Again, interesting back story.
Thanks, Will.
(in article<b833391a8b612da7...@news.novabbs.com>):
> Again, interesting back story.
Thanks, Will.
W.Dockery
Sep 18, 2023, 1:50:13 PM9/18/23
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On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 1:33:40 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 4:58:22 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 2:23:21 AM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > > A while before the elbow pulling incident I had made a joke
> > > on the FTE list about Paddy Moloney of The Chieftains
> > > teaching Sarah how to pull a pint of Guinness, and I
> > > think I mentioned the elbow pulling trick then. However
> > > I seem to have not saved it in https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/fte.txt .
> > > Also it was not passing in a crowd, it is a huge bar and there
> > > was plenty of room to pass by; most of the crowd had left
> > > by then.
> > >
> > > Sarah’s best friend is not named Adia, but Crystal. It
> > > is true that she said that Adia was about Crystal, but
> > > I think she may have lied, and anyway, she has often
> > > said that some of her songs (including Building a Mystery)
> > > are composites drawing on more than one character.
> > >
> > > As for why I didn’t approach her at the bar, I meant to.
> > > When the stare ended we both went to the bar and
> > > I meant to say hello but a woman came between us
> > > and it was as if we were swept apart (I guess by that
> > > mystic block). She then ordered a Swan or Sharp’s
> > > (a near beer) and I should have said I’ll have what she’s
> > > having, but I ordered a rye and water, partly a play
> > > on her then hair colour, and partly a play on the song IWRY.
> > > Then I meant to approach her (I was by then alone, my
> > > friends had left) amidst her party, but a song by her
> > > friend Holly McNarland disturbed me and a while later
> > > I left to hear Colin Hay of Men at Work across the
> > > street at The Railway Club. But basically I was somewhat
> > > intimidated by her bold approach, am very introverted,
> > > and partly did not want to bother her. But if Ariane
> > > or Danielle had simply introduced us things would have
> > > been fine.
> > >
> > > As for my letters, I started with a short letter in July of 1996
> > > in which I mentioned our 1995 interactions and promised
> > > a longer letter. At that stage someone at her (then small) record
> > > company was reading letters and would have passed
> > > it to her, and probably later passed the long letter without
> > > reading it. The “beautiful fucked up man” and
> > > “building a mystery” comments in Building a Mystery
> > > indicate that she read the long letter, I think including
> > > a comment on my then deities Gaia, Sola, and Cosma
> > > at the end.
> > >
> > > Anyway, I know there is a special connection between
> > > me and Sarah, but I don’t expect you to believe me,
> > > but I am not lying about the intensity of the Touch
> > > and the Stare. And now that she is divorced and
> > > as far as I know free from romantic attachments again,
> > > thereis a chance that she will grab me. However,
> > > if the old lock has been rendered incomplete and
> > > the mystic blocks have been lifted, I am now available
> > > to other bifs, and won’t wait for Sarah for long unless
> > > she asks me to (and not in a song).
> > >
> > > Her song Stupid is also about me:
> > >
> > > "How stupid could I be? A simpleton could see
> > > That you’re no good for me
> > > But you’re the only one I see"
> > >
> > > The mystic blocks were not lifted when you posted
> > > your latest post, but now supposedly have been.
> > >
> > > If you choose to reply again, you can have the
> > > last word; this is getting tiresome. At least
> > > Will seems to think I have a good story.
> > > Is anyone else reading?
> > *crickets*
> David Dalton and Will Dockery decided that they needed to cross post this conversation to rec.arts.poems and alt.music.lyrics, in search of readers. There is no one home at those groups.
The cross post is automatic, when using Nova BBS.
HTH and HAND.
> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 4:58:22 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 2:23:21 AM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > > A while before the elbow pulling incident I had made a joke
> > > on the FTE list about Paddy Moloney of The Chieftains
> > > teaching Sarah how to pull a pint of Guinness, and I
> > > think I mentioned the elbow pulling trick then. However
> > > I seem to have not saved it in https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/fte.txt .
> > > Also it was not passing in a crowd, it is a huge bar and there
> > > was plenty of room to pass by; most of the crowd had left
> > > by then.
> > >
> > > Sarah’s best friend is not named Adia, but Crystal. It
> > > is true that she said that Adia was about Crystal, but
> > > I think she may have lied, and anyway, she has often
> > > said that some of her songs (including Building a Mystery)
> > > are composites drawing on more than one character.
> > >
> > > As for why I didn’t approach her at the bar, I meant to.
> > > When the stare ended we both went to the bar and
> > > I meant to say hello but a woman came between us
> > > and it was as if we were swept apart (I guess by that
> > > mystic block). She then ordered a Swan or Sharp’s
> > > (a near beer) and I should have said I’ll have what she’s
> > > having, but I ordered a rye and water, partly a play
> > > on her then hair colour, and partly a play on the song IWRY.
> > > Then I meant to approach her (I was by then alone, my
> > > friends had left) amidst her party, but a song by her
> > > friend Holly McNarland disturbed me and a while later
> > > I left to hear Colin Hay of Men at Work across the
> > > street at The Railway Club. But basically I was somewhat
> > > intimidated by her bold approach, am very introverted,
> > > and partly did not want to bother her. But if Ariane
> > > or Danielle had simply introduced us things would have
> > > been fine.
> > >
> > > As for my letters, I started with a short letter in July of 1996
> > > in which I mentioned our 1995 interactions and promised
> > > a longer letter. At that stage someone at her (then small) record
> > > company was reading letters and would have passed
> > > it to her, and probably later passed the long letter without
> > > reading it. The “beautiful fucked up man” and
> > > “building a mystery” comments in Building a Mystery
> > > indicate that she read the long letter, I think including
> > > a comment on my then deities Gaia, Sola, and Cosma
> > > at the end.
> > >
> > > Anyway, I know there is a special connection between
> > > me and Sarah, but I don’t expect you to believe me,
> > > but I am not lying about the intensity of the Touch
> > > and the Stare. And now that she is divorced and
> > > as far as I know free from romantic attachments again,
> > > thereis a chance that she will grab me. However,
> > > if the old lock has been rendered incomplete and
> > > the mystic blocks have been lifted, I am now available
> > > to other bifs, and won’t wait for Sarah for long unless
> > > she asks me to (and not in a song).
> > >
> > > Her song Stupid is also about me:
> > >
> > > "How stupid could I be? A simpleton could see
> > > That you’re no good for me
> > > But you’re the only one I see"
> > >
> > > The mystic blocks were not lifted when you posted
> > > your latest post, but now supposedly have been.
> > >
> > > If you choose to reply again, you can have the
> > > last word; this is getting tiresome. At least
> > > Will seems to think I have a good story.
> > > Is anyone else reading?
> > *crickets*
> David Dalton and Will Dockery decided that they needed to cross post this conversation to rec.arts.poems and alt.music.lyrics, in search of readers. There is no one home at those groups.
The cross post is automatic, when using Nova BBS.
HTH and HAND.
David Dalton
Sep 18, 2023, 6:06:43 PM9/18/23
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On Sep 18, 2023, W.Dockery wrote
(in article<af5b6ce578fa0533...@news.novabbs.com>):
reading alt.arts.poetry.comments .
David Dalton
Sep 18, 2023, 6:14:23 PM9/18/23
to
On Sep 18, 2023, David Dalton wrote
(in article<0001HW.2AB9016F00...@news.eternal-september.org>):
Also I am likely to read everything on the low traffic group
rec.arts.poems but only a small fraction of the noisy
(in article<0001HW.2AB9016F00...@news.eternal-september.org>):
rec.arts.poems but only a small fraction of the noisy
W.Dockery
Sep 18, 2023, 6:40:13 PM9/18/23
to
David Dalton wrote:
> On Sep 18, 2023, Will Dockery wrote
I started out on rec.arts.poems also.
> On Sep 18, 2023, Will Dockery wrote
W.Dockery
Sep 19, 2023, 12:00:13 AM9/19/23
to
W.Dockery
Sep 19, 2023, 11:50:13 AM9/19/23
to
David Dalton wrote:
> On Sep 18, 2023, Ash Wurthing wrote
> (in article<8aba9ac7-2f90-4663...@googlegroups.com>):
>> HI SARAH!!! Greetings from Ash and his inner demons! Care to enjoy Celtic
>> Heavy Metal lyrics with us?
> Her ex-husband is named Ash.
> And she likes Celtic rap,
That sounds interesting, I don't remember ever reading (or hearing) any of that.
I'll Google it.
> C-rap, or Crap, which I might
> try doing some of by D-moon (I know at least Nancy
> would probably label it as crap, ha).
> a D.
> On Sep 18, 2023, Ash Wurthing wrote
> (in article<8aba9ac7-2f90-4663...@googlegroups.com>):
>> HI SARAH!!! Greetings from Ash and his inner demons! Care to enjoy Celtic
>> Heavy Metal lyrics with us?
> Her ex-husband is named Ash.
> And she likes Celtic rap,
That sounds interesting, I don't remember ever reading (or hearing) any of that.
I'll Google it.
> C-rap, or Crap, which I might
> try doing some of by D-moon (I know at least Nancy
> would probably label it as crap, ha).
> a D.
General-Zod
Sep 19, 2023, 5:10:12 PM9/19/23
to
David Dalton wrote:
>
> Here's a few of my poetry and song snippets from 1993 -- 1995:
> https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
> I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
> needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
> at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
> I am in St. John’s.
> Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
> an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
> will return soon and that it will include the ability to
> complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
> Constructive(!) criticism is welcome.
> Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
> but I never bothered her. However her record label
> person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
> the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
> me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
> of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
David, I have been reading these, and they are quite good... I thank you for posting..!
>
> Here's a few of my poetry and song snippets from 1993 -- 1995:
> https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
> I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
> needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
> at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
> I am in St. John’s.
> Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
> an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
> will return soon and that it will include the ability to
> complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
> Constructive(!) criticism is welcome.
> Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
> but I never bothered her. However her record label
> person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
> the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
> me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
> of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
David Dalton
Sep 19, 2023, 8:24:16 PM9/19/23
to
On Sep 19, 2023, W.Dockery wrote
(in article<671a23f0a1a497c1...@news.novabbs.com>):
> David Dalton wrote:
>
> > On Sep 18, 2023, Ash Wurthing wrote
> > (in article<8aba9ac7-2f90-4663...@googlegroups.com>):
>
> > > HI SARAH!!! Greetings from Ash and his inner demons! Care to enjoy Celtic
> > > Heavy Metal lyrics with us?
>
> > Her ex-husband is named Ash.
>
> > And she likes Celtic rap,
>
> That sounds interesting, I don't remember ever reading (or hearing) any of
> that.
>
> I'll Google it.
I was joking, or I guess referring to making up lyrics
in real time to live or recorded instrumental Celtic music.
(in article<671a23f0a1a497c1...@news.novabbs.com>):
> David Dalton wrote:
>
> > On Sep 18, 2023, Ash Wurthing wrote
> > (in article<8aba9ac7-2f90-4663...@googlegroups.com>):
>
> > > HI SARAH!!! Greetings from Ash and his inner demons! Care to enjoy Celtic
> > > Heavy Metal lyrics with us?
>
> > Her ex-husband is named Ash.
>
> > And she likes Celtic rap,
>
> That sounds interesting, I don't remember ever reading (or hearing) any of
> that.
>
> I'll Google it.
in real time to live or recorded instrumental Celtic music.
David Dalton
Sep 19, 2023, 8:26:22 PM9/19/23
to
On Sep 19, 2023, General-Zod wrote
(in article<648ec39e13f5311d...@news.novabbs.com>):
Thanks, I might extract and post some of my better wordplay
from https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/fte.txt someday as well.
(in article<648ec39e13f5311d...@news.novabbs.com>):
from https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/fte.txt someday as well.
W.Dockery
Sep 19, 2023, 9:40:15 PM9/19/23
to
On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 8:26:22 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> On Sep 19, 2023, General-Zod wrote
> (in article<648ec39e13f5311d...@news.novabbs.com>):
> > David Dalton wrote:
> > >
> On Sep 19, 2023, General-Zod wrote
> (in article<648ec39e13f5311d...@news.novabbs.com>):
> > David Dalton wrote:
> > >
> > > Here's a few of my poetry and song snippets from 1993 -- 1995:
> >
> > > https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
> >
> > > I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
> > > needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
> > > at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
> > > I am in St. John’s.
> >
> > > Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
> > > an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
> > > will return soon and that it will include the ability to
> > > complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
> >
> > > Constructive(!) criticism is welcome.
> >
> > > Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
> > > but I never bothered her. However her record label
> > > person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
> > > the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
> > > me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
> > > of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
> >
> >
> > > https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
> >
> > > I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
> > > needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
> > > at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
> > > I am in St. John’s.
> >
> > > Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
> > > an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
> > > will return soon and that it will include the ability to
> > > complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
> >
> > > Constructive(!) criticism is welcome.
> >
> > > Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
> > > but I never bothered her. However her record label
> > > person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
> > > the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
> > > me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
> > > of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
> >
> > David, I have been reading these, and they are quite good... I thank you for
> > posting..!
> Thanks, I might extract and post some of my better wordplay
> from https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/fte.txt someday as well.
Great idea, I look forward to seeing it.
> > posting..!
> Thanks, I might extract and post some of my better wordplay
> from https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/fte.txt someday as well.
W.Dockery
Sep 21, 2023, 11:15:14 AM9/21/23
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General-Zod
Sep 21, 2023, 5:10:11 PM9/21/23
to
W.Dockery
Sep 23, 2023, 11:25:13 AM9/23/23
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Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 7:43:31 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 7:26:46 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > Hilarious! You get Lo7 of teh Week!! Most of the posts on AAPC are by you, Zod and Jordy!!!
>> Definitely, if you don't have an interest in my posts, simply skip and ignore them.
> I usually do
Same here, as I usually skip and ignore most of the malicious and obsessive troll threads begun ny NancyGene, Pendragon and their ilk.
HTH and HAND.
> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 7:43:31 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 7:26:46 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 12:00:13 AM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
>> > > David Dalton wrote:
>> > >
>> > > David Dalton wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > On Sep 18, 2023, David Dalton wrote
>
>> > > > (in article<0001HW.2AB9016F00...@news.eternal-september.org>):
>> > >
>> > > >> On Sep 18, 2023, W.Dockery wrote
>> > > >> (in article<af5b6ce578fa0533...@news.novabbs.com>):
>> > > >>
>> > > >> > On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 1:33:40 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
>> > > >> > > On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 4:58:22 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > > >> > > > On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 2:23:21 AM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
>> > > >> > > > > A while before the elbow pulling incident I had made a joke
>> > > >> > > > > on the FTE list about Paddy Moloney of The Chieftains
>> > > >> > > > > teaching Sarah how to pull a pint of Guinness, and I
>> > > >> > > > > think I mentioned the elbow pulling trick then. However
>> > > >> > > > > I seem to have not saved it in https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/fte.txt .
>> > > >> > > > > Also it was not passing in a crowd, it is a huge bar and there
>> > > >> > > > > was plenty of room to pass by; most of the crowd had left
>> > > >> > > > > by then.
>> > > >> > > > >
>> > > >> > > > > Sarah’s best friend is not named Adia, but Crystal.. It
>
>> > > > (in article<0001HW.2AB9016F00...@news.eternal-september.org>):
>> > >
>> > > >> On Sep 18, 2023, W.Dockery wrote
>> > > >> (in article<af5b6ce578fa0533...@news.novabbs.com>):
>> > > >>
>> > > >> > On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 1:33:40 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
>> > > >> > > On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 4:58:22 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > > >> > > > On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 2:23:21 AM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
>> > > >> > > > > A while before the elbow pulling incident I had made a joke
>> > > >> > > > > on the FTE list about Paddy Moloney of The Chieftains
>> > > >> > > > > teaching Sarah how to pull a pint of Guinness, and I
>> > > >> > > > > think I mentioned the elbow pulling trick then. However
>> > > >> > > > > I seem to have not saved it in https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/fte.txt .
>> > > >> > > > > Also it was not passing in a crowd, it is a huge bar and there
>> > > >> > > > > was plenty of room to pass by; most of the crowd had left
>> > > >> > > > > by then.
>> > > >> > > > >
>> Definitely, if you don't have an interest in my posts, simply skip and ignore them.
> I usually do
Same here, as I usually skip and ignore most of the malicious and obsessive troll threads begun ny NancyGene, Pendragon and their ilk.
HTH and HAND.
General-Zod
Oct 25, 2023, 11:50:14 AM10/25/23
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On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 11:41:39 AM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> i didn't read the whole thing but these looked really good!! :)
>
> do you have finished pieces? i bet those are great. :)
Hi Rachel..... agreed and seconded...!
>
> do you have finished pieces? i bet those are great. :)
Hi Rachel..... agreed and seconded...!
David Dalton
Oct 25, 2023, 4:53:13 PM10/25/23
to
On Oct 25, 2023, General-Zod wrote
(in article<4948a4b721b5af90...@news.novabbs.com>):
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 11:41:39 AM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 9:13:57 PM UTC-7, David Dalton wrote:
> >
> > > Here's a few of my poetry and song snippets from 1993 -- 1995:
> > >
> > > https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
> > >
> > > I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
> > > needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
> > > at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
> > > I am in St. John’s.
> > >
> > > Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
> > > an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
> > > will return soon and that it will include the ability to
> > > complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
> > >
> > > Constructive(!) criticism is welcome.
> > >
> > > Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
> > > but I never bothered her. However her record label
> > > person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
> > > the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
> > > me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
> > > of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
being filtered out by Eternal September for a while.
I haven’t written anything poetic in a long while now, but
expect my creativity to return soon, and when it does I
will definitely write some. Though I suppose even now
I could mechanically build something using form, metre,
and rhyme, brick by brick, rather than relying on creative
flow/bread crumb trail/drunken walk of words.
"Spring come to you at the farthest In the very end of harvest. Scarcity
and want shall shun you. Ceres' blessing so is on you." (Shakespeare)
(in article<4948a4b721b5af90...@news.novabbs.com>):
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 11:41:39 AM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
> > On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 9:13:57 PM UTC-7, David Dalton wrote:
> >
> > > Here's a few of my poetry and song snippets from 1993 -- 1995:
> > >
> > > https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
> > >
> > > I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
> > > needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
> > > at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
> > > I am in St. John’s.
> > >
> > > Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
> > > an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
> > > will return soon and that it will include the ability to
> > > complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
> > >
> > > Constructive(!) criticism is welcome.
> > >
> > > Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
> > > but I never bothered her. However her record label
> > > person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
> > > the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
> > > me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
> > > of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
> > i didn't read the whole thing but these looked really good!! :)
> >
> > do you have finished pieces? i bet those are great. :)
>
> Hi Rachel..... agreed and seconded...!
I didn’t see Rachel’s post, probably since google groups was
> >
> > do you have finished pieces? i bet those are great. :)
>
> Hi Rachel..... agreed and seconded...!
being filtered out by Eternal September for a while.
I haven’t written anything poetic in a long while now, but
expect my creativity to return soon, and when it does I
will definitely write some. Though I suppose even now
I could mechanically build something using form, metre,
and rhyme, brick by brick, rather than relying on creative
flow/bread crumb trail/drunken walk of words.
"Spring come to you at the farthest In the very end of harvest. Scarcity
and want shall shun you. Ceres' blessing so is on you." (Shakespeare)
General-Zod
Oct 25, 2023, 6:25:18 PM10/25/23
to
David Dalton wrote:
> On Oct 25, 2023, General-Zod wrote
> (in article<4948a4b721b5af90...@news.novabbs.com>):
>> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 11:41:39 AM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
>> > On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 9:13:57 PM UTC-7, David Dalton wrote:
>> >
> On Oct 25, 2023, General-Zod wrote
> (in article<4948a4b721b5af90...@news.novabbs.com>):
>> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 11:41:39 AM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
>> > On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 9:13:57 PM UTC-7, David Dalton wrote:
>> >
>> > > Here's a few of my poetry and song snippets from 1993 -- 1995:
>> > >
>> > > https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
>> > >
>> > > I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
>> > > needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
>> > > at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
>> > > I am in St. John’s.
>> > >
>> > > Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
>> > > an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
>> > > will return soon and that it will include the ability to
>> > > complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
>> > >
>> > > Constructive(!) criticism is welcome.
>> > >
>> > > Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
>> > > but I never bothered her. However her record label
>> > > person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
>> > > the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
>> > > me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
>> > > of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
>> > >
>> > > https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
>> > >
>> > > I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
>> > > needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
>> > > at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
>> > > I am in St. John’s.
>> > >
>> > > Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
>> > > an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
>> > > will return soon and that it will include the ability to
>> > > complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
>> > >
>> > > Constructive(!) criticism is welcome.
>> > >
>> > > Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
>> > > but I never bothered her. However her record label
>> > > person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
>> > > the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
>> > > me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
>> > > of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
>> > i didn't read the whole thing but these looked really good!! :)
>> >
>> > do you have finished pieces? i bet those are great. :)
>>
>> Hi Rachel..... agreed and seconded...!
> I didn’t see Rachel’s post, probably since google groups was
> being filtered out by Eternal September for a while.
> I haven’t written anything poetic in a long while now, but
> expect my creativity to return soon, and when it does I
> will definitely write some. Though I suppose even now
> I could mechanically build something using form, metre,
> and rhyme, brick by brick, rather than relying on creative
> flow/bread crumb trail/drunken walk of words.
Hi D.D.... well put..!
>> >
>> > do you have finished pieces? i bet those are great. :)
>>
>> Hi Rachel..... agreed and seconded...!
> I didn’t see Rachel’s post, probably since google groups was
> being filtered out by Eternal September for a while.
> I haven’t written anything poetic in a long while now, but
> expect my creativity to return soon, and when it does I
> will definitely write some. Though I suppose even now
> I could mechanically build something using form, metre,
> and rhyme, brick by brick, rather than relying on creative
> flow/bread crumb trail/drunken walk of words.
W.Dockery
Oct 30, 2023, 1:15:18 PM10/30/23
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😃
W.Dockery
Oct 31, 2023, 12:35:18 AM10/31/23
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roach wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 1:53:12 PM UTC-7, David Dalton wrote:
>> On Oct 25, 2023, General-Zod wrote
>> (in article<4948a4b721b5af90...@news.novabbs.com>):
Interesting observations, Rachel, interesting how?
They're self explanatory.
😃
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 1:53:12 PM UTC-7, David Dalton wrote:
>> On Oct 25, 2023, General-Zod wrote
>> (in article<4948a4b721b5af90...@news.novabbs.com>):
>> > On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 11:41:39 AM UTC-4, rachel wrote:
>> > > On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 9:13:57 PM UTC-7, David Dalton wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Here's a few of my poetry and song snippets from 1993 -- 1995:
>> > > >
>> > > > https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
>> > > >
>> > > > I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
>> > > > needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
>> > > > at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
>> > > > I am in St. John’s.
>> > > >
>> > > > Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
>> > > > an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
>> > > > will return soon and that it will include the ability to
>> > > > complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
>> > > >
>> > > > Constructive(!) criticism is welcome.
>> > > >
>> > > > Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
>> > > > but I never bothered her. However her record label
>> > > > person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
>> > > > the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
>> > > > me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
>> > > > of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
>> > > On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 9:13:57 PM UTC-7, David Dalton wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Here's a few of my poetry and song snippets from 1993 -- 1995:
>> > > >
>> > > > https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
>> > > >
>> > > > I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
>> > > > needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
>> > > > at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
>> > > > I am in St. John’s.
>> > > >
>> > > > Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
>> > > > an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
>> > > > will return soon and that it will include the ability to
>> > > > complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
>> > > >
>> > > > Constructive(!) criticism is welcome.
>> > > >
>> > > > Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
>> > > > but I never bothered her. However her record label
>> > > > person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
>> > > > the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
>> > > > me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
>> > > > of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
>> > > i didn't read the whole thing but these looked really good!! :)
>> > >
>> > > do you have finished pieces? i bet those are great. :)
>> >
>> > Hi Rachel..... agreed and seconded...!
>> > >
>> > > do you have finished pieces? i bet those are great. :)
>> >
>> > Hi Rachel..... agreed and seconded...!
>> I didn’t see Rachel’s post, probably since google groups was
>> being filtered out by Eternal September for a while.
>>
>> I haven’t written anything poetic in a long while now, but
>> expect my creativity to return soon, and when it does I
>> will definitely write some. Though I suppose even now
>> I could mechanically build something using form, metre,
>> and rhyme, brick by brick, rather than relying on creative
>> flow/bread crumb trail/drunken walk of words.
>> being filtered out by Eternal September for a while.
>>
>> I haven’t written anything poetic in a long while now, but
>> expect my creativity to return soon, and when it does I
>> will definitely write some. Though I suppose even now
>> I could mechanically build something using form, metre,
>> and rhyme, brick by brick, rather than relying on creative
>> flow/bread crumb trail/drunken walk of words.
>> "Spring come to you at the farthest In the very end of harvest. Scarcity
>> and want shall shun you. Ceres' blessing so is on you." (Shakespeare)
> hi reading this now seems FAMILIAR so i am surprised i didn't respond to you, i'm sorry, maybe it's the kind of thing like there was nothing to say, like taking it all in was enough to completely fill me, i can totally relate i hate thinking that what one/you like to do it be creative and you have no idea where it comes from and you can't do it on demand and you just really don't want to "just do it" like write when you have nothing to say waiting for inspiration i always keep thinking that's it i'm done i don't think i have anything left to write or say insofar as making a poem or whatever
>> and want shall shun you. Ceres' blessing so is on you." (Shakespeare)
Interesting observations, Rachel, interesting how?
They're self explanatory.
😃
General-Zod
Nov 4, 2023, 4:20:16 PM11/4/23
to
David Dalton wrote:
> Here's a few of my poetry and song snippets from 1993 -- 1995:
> https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
> I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
> needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
> at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
> I am in St. John’s.
> Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
> an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
> will return soon and that it will include the ability to
> complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
> Constructive(!) criticism is welcome.
> Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
> but I never bothered her. However her record label
> person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
> the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
> me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
> of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
Hi there, having another read, quite a good collection of poems...
> Here's a few of my poetry and song snippets from 1993 -- 1995:
> https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
> I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
> needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
> at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
> I am in St. John’s.
> Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
> an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
> will return soon and that it will include the ability to
> complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
> Constructive(!) criticism is welcome.
> Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
> but I never bothered her. However her record label
> person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
> the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
> me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
> of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
W.Dockery
Nov 9, 2023, 2:25:19 AM11/9/23
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General-Zod
Nov 14, 2023, 3:20:20 PM11/14/23
to
NancyGene wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:13:57 AM UTC, David Dalton wrote:
>
>> Here's a few of my poetry and song snippets from 1993 -- 1995:
>>
>> https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
>>
>> I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
>> needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
>> at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
>> I am in St. John’s.
> Mr. Dalton, you have no poetry writing talent. At. All.
Hush up, troll...!
> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 4:13:57 AM UTC, David Dalton wrote:
>
>> Here's a few of my poetry and song snippets from 1993 -- 1995:
>>
>> https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
>>
>> I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
>> needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
>> at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
>> I am in St. John’s.
>>
>> Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
>> an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
>> will return soon and that it will include the ability to
>> complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
>> Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
>> an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
>> will return soon and that it will include the ability to
>> complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
> First, you should find out how to write poems and not the embarrassingly juvenile, no meter examples that you have offered.
>>
>>
>> Constructive(!) criticism is welcome.
>>
>> Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
>> but I never bothered her. However her record label
>> person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
>> the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
>> me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
>> of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
> Sure, she "silently approached" you xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
>> but I never bothered her. However her record label
>> person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
>> the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
>> me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
>> of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
Hush up, troll...!
W.Dockery
Jan 19, 2024, 8:45:22 PMJan 19
to
David Dalton wrote:
>
> Here's a few of my poetry and song snippets from 1993 -- 1995:
> https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
> I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
> needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
> at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
> I am in St. John’s.
>
> Here's a few of my poetry and song snippets from 1993 -- 1995:
> https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
> I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
> needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
> at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
> I am in St. John’s.
> Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
> an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
> will return soon and that it will include the ability to
> complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
> an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
> will return soon and that it will include the ability to
> complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
> Constructive(!) criticism is welcome.
> Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
> but I never bothered her. However her record label
> person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
> the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
> me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
> of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
Hope 2024 is a good poetry year for you, David.
> Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
> but I never bothered her. However her record label
> person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
> the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
> me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
> of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
😃
David Dalton
Jan 20, 2024, 3:21:07 AMJan 20
to
On Jan 19, 2024, W.Dockery wrote
(in article<b9407571ea5b0348...@www.novabbs.com>):
Thanks, Will, and the same to you and other readers!
--
David Dalton dal...@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page)
I give to you The Bitch Goddess of Truth" (Lizband -- Queen of Swords)
(in article<b9407571ea5b0348...@www.novabbs.com>):
--
David Dalton dal...@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page)
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
“It dpesn't matter baby, if you're a non-believer, the axe has fallen...
I give to you The Bitch Goddess of Truth" (Lizband -- Queen of Swords)
W.Dockery
Jan 20, 2024, 2:35:12 PMJan 20
to
David Dalton wrote:
> On Jan 19, 2024, Will Dockery wrote
:)
> On Jan 19, 2024, Will Dockery wrote
> (in article<b9407571ea5b0348...@www.novabbs.com>):
>> David Dalton wrote:
>> >
>> > Here's a few of my poetry and song snippets from 1993 -- 1995:
>>
>> > https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
>>
>> > I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
>> > needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
>> > at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
>> > I am in St. John’s.
>>
>> > Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
>> > an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
>> > will return soon and that it will include the ability to
>> > complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
>>
>> > Constructive(!) criticism is welcome.
>>
>> > Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
>> > but I never bothered her. However her record label
>> > person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
>> > the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
>> > me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
>> > of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
>>
>> Hope 2024 is a good poetry year for you, David.
>>
>
> Thanks, Will, and the same to you and other readers!
Good afternoon, my friend.
>> David Dalton wrote:
>> >
>> > Here's a few of my poetry and song snippets from 1993 -- 1995:
>>
>> > https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
>>
>> > I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
>> > needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
>> > at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
>> > I am in St. John’s.
>>
>> > Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
>> > an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
>> > will return soon and that it will include the ability to
>> > complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
>>
>> > Constructive(!) criticism is welcome.
>>
>> > Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
>> > but I never bothered her. However her record label
>> > person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
>> > the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
>> > me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
>> > of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
>>
>> Hope 2024 is a good poetry year for you, David.
>>
>
> Thanks, Will, and the same to you and other readers!
:)
General-Zod
Jan 30, 2024, 6:20:19 PMJan 30
to
David Dalton wrote:
>
> Here's a few of my poetry and song snippets from 1993 -- 1995:
> https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
> I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
> needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
> at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
> I am in St. John’s.
> Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
> an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
> will return soon and that it will include the ability to
> complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
> Constructive(!) criticism is welcome.
> Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
> but I never bothered her. However her record label
> person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
> the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
> me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
> of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
Second read
>
> Here's a few of my poetry and song snippets from 1993 -- 1995:
> https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
> I won’t copy and paste them all here since then some
> needed spacing in some of them won’t be reproduced,
> at least in Hogwasher newsreader which I use when
> I am in St. John’s.
> Back then I had good wordplay ability but suffered from
> an inability to complete projects. I hope that my creativity
> will return soon and that it will include the ability to
> complete projects and to do longer poems and songs.
> Constructive(!) criticism is welcome.
> Some of them do show my interest in Sarah McLachlan,
> but I never bothered her. However her record label
> person who was on the mailing list must have relayed
> the best of my writing to her since she silently approached
> me twice in the spring of 1995, which is reflected in some
> of the lyrics on her 1997 Surfacing album.
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